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00:21:28 <Sgeo> My classmates are idiots
00:21:50 <Sgeo> They were talking about another class, where a box with lights was hooked up to the computer, and they had to control it via C++
00:22:00 <Sgeo> One of them said that the box must understand C++
00:22:17 <Sgeo> They eventually decided that the box understands assembly (thinking assembly was machine code)
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01:04:11 <Pthing> i don't like the chinese box either
01:06:29 <coppro> Sgeo: this is where you have fun
01:06:39 <coppro> print out the assembly and stick the box on it
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01:07:09 <Sgeo> coppro, I'm not in that class with them
01:07:12 <coppro> oh
01:07:17 <coppro> what a shame
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02:26:15 <ehird> uo
02:26:17 <ehird> *yo
02:26:34 <coppro> yo
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02:28:06 <ehird> arora aaaaalmost works, and it aaaaalmost works a bit less if you don't want to use tabs :(
02:33:26 <oerjan> freefall :)
02:34:31 <ehird> freefall :(
02:34:32 <ehird> i do not like falling
02:34:42 <oerjan> it's a comic
02:34:49 <Sgeo> oerjan, I ended up putting the punchline as my Facebook status
02:35:01 <oerjan> heh
02:37:46 <coppro> for some reason, Arora was briefly installed on my computer; wonder why it got taken off
02:37:54 * Sgeo misread that as Agora
02:38:57 <ehird> Arora is good except the toolbar grpahics are a bit cheesy, link underlines (especially on google sites for some reason) sometimes don't appear unless you click them or select them as text,
02:39:08 <ehird> and you can't define middle-click as open in new windo
02:39:09 <ehird> w
02:39:11 <ehird> *window
02:39:14 <ehird> that's all i can think of atm
02:39:29 <coppro> tabs >> windows
02:39:47 <ehird> coppro: yeah, I use tabs
02:39:51 <ehird> my WM does that.
02:39:57 <coppro> ah, neat
02:40:01 <ehird> you know, it's managing windows :P
02:40:12 <coppro> does it have Ctrl+Tab?
02:40:32 <ehird> you can rebind the keys, but yes; it's one button more, though
02:42:02 * Sgeo goes through convolutions to avoid spoiling the joke in the title
02:42:52 <oerjan> er, what? now you HAVE to tell us.
02:42:57 <ehird> it's also the only tiling WM with decent mouse support imo, which is useful when web browsing
02:43:05 <ehird> to avoid context switching from the mouse
02:43:24 <Sgeo> oerjan, um, you read it, apparently
02:43:32 * Sgeo posted it on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/9kyqr/hit_me_with_a_pie_here_you_go/
02:43:36 <Sgeo> Sucky title, I know
02:43:52 <ehird> Duh, how come you didn't know he meant reddit title, oerjan
02:43:54 <ehird> Aren't you psychic
02:43:56 <ehird> Like everyone else
02:44:00 <oerjan> ah.
02:44:15 <oerjan> yes, but a very slow psychic
02:44:30 <oerjan> i'll get it one of these days, i'm sure
02:47:01 <ehird> coppro: the WM is ion3plus, which I have qualms about using due to its author and utterly ridiculous license clauses (though he recently removed the timeout-for-new-versions thing), but on the other hand no other tiling WM I've tried is even close to as usable
02:48:01 <ehird> oh, an arora problem I forgot: it blocks popups silently, so you can't choose to let one through if you want it
02:48:59 <coppro> really? :(
02:49:45 <ehird> really to what?
02:50:43 <coppro> silent popup blocking
02:51:03 <ehird> yeah, it's annoying, but really I don't mind too much
02:51:14 <ehird> I don't really click "detach this window" type stuff
02:51:21 <ehird> besides, it won't block things like javascript:window.open, prolly
02:51:23 <ehird> just tricksier stuff
02:56:40 <ehird> one thing ion handles very well is auxillary wnidows to the current one
02:56:47 <ehird> it basically overlays it along the bottom of the window
03:00:23 <Ilari> The reasons why I don't use Arora: It sends referrer unconditionally and doesn't let to configure TLS (and doesn't have Links2-like "who cares" attitude to TLS).
03:00:38 <ehird> OH NOES!!1125612 REFERER!
03:00:45 <ehird> :P
03:00:51 <coppro> TLS?
03:00:53 <ehird> But, err, what's the TLS problem?
03:00:56 <ehird> coppro: SSL thing.
03:03:54 <Ilari> Can't be configured to require PFS. Even Firefox can be configured that way. Links2 can't be configured so either, but it doesn't matter as Links2 seems to think that proper place for certificates is /dev/null.
03:05:32 <ehird> My only problem with Arora is... well, the ones I said.
03:05:57 <Sgeo> PFS?
03:06:05 <Ilari> Perfect Forward Security.
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03:07:07 <Ilari> Meaning, key exchange algorithm is DHE, ECDHE or SRP (not that any web browser supports that).
03:23:47 <ehird> I wonder if qt has some sort of generic tool to rebind things like mouse clicks.
03:25:29 <Sgeo> Isn't there some OS project that uses Qt, so that the OS itself is in C, and applications are in C++, to prevent the OS from doing GUI stuff directly, or something like that?
03:25:52 <ehird> Whatever it is, it sounds brain damaged.
03:26:54 <Sgeo> It might be the way I'm describing it
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03:39:53 <pikhq> Mmm, wasabi peas...
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04:32:37 <Gracenotes> I have wasabi peas in my possession
04:32:49 <Gracenotes> I just can't get in the mood for eating them :/
04:43:29 <Gregor> Rub them in your eyes first.
04:43:41 <Gregor> That will get you in the mood to eat them.
04:43:51 <Gregor> Just trust me on this one.
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04:49:09 <ehird> mega meh
04:49:52 <ehird> like the biggest meh ever dreamed of
04:49:53 <ehird> amplified
04:49:55 <ehird> and tenzinified
04:49:58 <ehird> ya ken?
04:52:31 <ehird> i know you were talking recently, i checked the logs
04:52:34 <ehird> you cannot fool me
04:53:28 <Gregor> I'm busy murdering my wrists.
04:53:44 <ehird> Gregor: that's a very pretentious way to reveal to us that you cut yourself.
04:54:13 <pikhq> Gregor: In your *eyes*? Ouch.
04:54:42 <ehird> Yes, Gregor is murdering his wrists in his eyes :P
04:55:08 <ehird> Gregor: You know, you've lost your R-zest.
04:55:33 <Gregor> I can murder my wrists well enough with two keyboards and no knives.
04:55:44 <ehird> In your eyes.
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04:56:24 <GregoR> ehird: Howzat?
04:56:31 <ehird> Sure thing, Grego Richards.
04:56:35 <ehird> Your name sounds... Italian.
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04:57:06 <ehird> Hello, Gregor $*&~Segmentation fault
05:04:20 <ehird> ff35fg4g4g54g41fg445455445545
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05:07:12 <ehird> hmm meh doesn't fit really
05:07:13 <ehird> let's say:
05:07:14 <ehird> bleh
05:07:19 <ehird> these things are Important
05:09:43 <Gracenotes> ehird, I made this null terminated string just for y6oD2^xk%hV@[^yZ7Ju+<Ned\Q+s)Q92a&j[OT)3"R%
05:12:41 <ehird> Completione une stagnation avoile todelo...
05:16:08 <ehird> Deplorus vici vindica vortas.
05:21:55 <ehird> I'm a seal.
05:22:15 <ehird> Note: All three of the above lines mean the same thing.
06:01:57 <ehird> apparently colinux is way faster than cygwin
06:01:59 <ehird> unsurprising
06:02:25 <ehird> and if you use xming you could make it like cygwin/x...
06:24:03 <coppro> if only you could go the other way around
06:24:18 <ehird> what, cowindows?
06:24:30 <coppro> yeah
06:24:41 <ehird> seamless virtualbox or sth.
06:24:51 <coppro> not the same
06:24:55 <ehird> sure it is.
06:25:04 <ehird> you can mount your host on /
06:25:10 <ehird> er, on c:
06:25:16 <ehird> and windows on w:, say
06:25:31 <coppro> no, because it requires virtualization
06:25:42 <ehird> so what, the cpu code is running on your cpu directly
06:25:42 <coppro> (then again, my new computer has real virtualization support. Yay!)
06:25:46 <ehird> just the hardware is virtualised
06:26:01 <ehird> sure, it's slower as far as non-number-crunching, but what are you trying to do, play a 3d game?
06:26:06 <coppro> ehird: processor without virtualization support = boo
06:26:06 <ehird> it's fast enough
06:26:11 <ehird> coppro: well ditch it :P
06:26:15 <coppro> ehird: I am!
06:26:20 <ehird> well then
06:28:28 <coppro> on the new computer, I will certainly be using a properly virtualized OS
06:28:45 <ehird> why even bother?
06:29:07 <coppro> because it's better than dual boot?
06:29:08 <coppro> also, sth?
06:29:23 <ehird> what programs do you need to run? it's not like games work very well
06:30:59 <coppro> nah, no games for the most part
06:31:18 <coppro> though if I ever figure out how to do it, getting windows to boot from both within and without the virtual machine would be +++
06:31:39 <coppro> also, wtf on the VirtualBox license: (3) The Product is not designed, licensed or intended for use in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of any nuclear facility and Sun and its licensors disclaim any express or implied warranty of fitness for such uses.
06:31:40 <ehird> then what programs do you use...?
06:31:47 <coppro> ehird: lots of stupid .NET stuff
06:31:52 <ehird> like
06:31:55 <coppro> that uses WPF and thus can't use Mono
06:31:59 <coppro> trust me, I've tried
06:32:01 <ehird> like...
06:32:07 <coppro> I don't feel the need to tell you *shrug*
06:32:18 <ehird> it just seems needless 90% of the time.
06:32:23 <coppro> it's not
06:32:31 <coppro> I certainly wish it was
06:33:04 <ehird> well true, AutomaticFurryScatPornSearcherAndDownloader v2 WPF Edition is probably pretty vital, I understand
06:33:38 <coppro> very
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06:35:56 <coppro> ehird: do you have any experience getting Windows to work from both within and without a VM
06:36:15 <ehird> you mean... just getting windows to work?
06:36:37 <coppro> I mean dealing with having Windows thinking it has two hardware profiles to deal with
06:36:47 <ehird> oh
06:36:51 <coppro> Windows has an irritating idea that it should only work on a single machine
06:37:05 <ehird> yeah, umm, that's not an unreasonable assumption
06:37:07 <ehird> anyway
06:37:11 <ehird> install in vm use disk
06:37:11 <ehird> or
06:37:14 <ehird> install on disk use vm
06:37:16 <ehird> whichever works.
06:37:19 <coppro> neither do
06:37:28 <coppro> when you use whichever it wasn't installed on, you get hardware errors
06:37:34 <coppro> because it didn't install the drivers
06:37:36 <ehird> give u[
06:37:38 <ehird> *up
06:37:44 <ehird> coppro: install the drivers for the other hw in the vm
06:37:45 <coppro> and if you install them, it erases the other ones
06:37:46 <ehird> or vise versa
06:37:54 <ehird> coppro: copy them away including registry before installing
06:37:58 <ehird> then copy back, check they still work
06:38:08 <coppro> (note: this is all XP experience and I will be using Vista *shudder*, then 7)
06:38:19 <ehird> pirate 7 immediately, btw
06:38:21 <ehird> or use xp
06:38:32 <ehird> not worth fucking with vista
06:38:48 <coppro> 7 comes out in a month?
06:39:02 <ehird> so what? the final is out on bittorrent
06:39:06 <ehird> windows 7 ultimate
06:39:08 <coppro> yes, I know, just wondering
06:39:32 <coppro> unlike lots of people, I have this thing against randomly torrenting stuff
06:40:12 <ehird> oh right, i haven't bended your brain into anti-monopolist, pro-competition shape yet and removed your Own the Moon 'Cuz the State Says So lobe :-P
06:40:29 * ehird gets a wrench
06:40:35 <ehird> *bent, not bended
06:40:40 <coppro> huh what?
06:40:48 <coppro> Own the Moon 'Cuz the State Says So lobe?
06:41:14 <ehird> it's the lobe that makes you think if the state claims it's selling off parts of the moon, it is a universal truth that those parts of the moon are owned by whoever buys them
06:41:39 <ehird> it gets invoked for s/the moon/platonic information space/, but that's a bug
06:41:47 <ehird> although i suspect it's a backdoor, wake up sheeple.
06:42:13 <ehird> shake up weeple
06:42:37 <coppro> oh, I don't have that lobe
06:42:45 <coppro> I also don't believe that torrenting is always bad
06:42:51 <ehird> au contraire, you respect copyright
06:42:57 <coppro> never said I did
06:43:05 <ehird> considering you defended it...
06:43:09 <coppro> I said that I recognize the necessity of the principle
06:43:19 <ehird> if that isn't defending copyright I don't know what is
06:43:32 <coppro> defending copyright and obeying it as it's written are different things
06:44:04 <ehird> the only way to achieve the "principle" is indeed the state having a monopoly on giving away monopolies on parts of the platonic realm of information, that it cannot touch in any way
06:44:30 <coppro> it's too late to start this discussion again
06:44:37 <ehird> that's what she said.
06:44:40 <coppro> important this is, I won't torrent stuff just because it's convenient
06:45:26 <coppro> there are other reasons I'll torrent, but that's not of them
06:45:46 <ehird> I torrent stuff because it's more convenient than any other way of getting it, but that's only because I think copyright is illegitimate crazy talk and I wouldn't consider who owns the moon when planning an expedition there either
06:46:08 <ehird> I'm not aiming to be illegal, Microsoft are perfectly welcome to send me a free copy if they want
06:46:27 <coppro> My view of torrenting in general is this:
06:46:56 <coppro> - someone has put hard work and effort into the product I'm considering torrenting and deserves some form of compensation for it, usually (there are exceptions to this point)
06:47:33 <ehird> I'm aware of all your oh-but-it's-so-fair arguments for copyright, and if pretending the moon was owned by the USA brought happiness and unicorns to everyone's day-to-day life I still wouldn't.
06:48:08 <coppro> - If I believe the good is worth the price asked, there is a reason to go buy the damn thing (note: this is not necessarily mutually exclusive with torrenting)
06:48:16 <ehird> Besides, feeding money into Microsoft's horrible business practices strikes me as a far worse evil than pirating Windows.
06:48:34 <coppro> - If there is a political reason for it, it could sway me either way stronger than anything else
06:48:51 <coppro> for instance, I refuse to pay any money to the recording industry. At all.
06:49:08 <ehird> Yeah, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Microsoft is no better than the recording industry.
06:49:12 <coppro> small-time companies, sure. But I am /not/ paying for product coming out of an RIAA member
06:49:15 <ehird> Which is damn obvious.
06:50:15 <coppro> Microsoft, I'm unsure of yet. There's internal conflict
06:50:34 <coppro> And if the rumors about 7 are true, encouraging good product is a Good Thing
06:50:45 <ehird> Yeah, and that RIAA album might be damn good too.
06:51:10 <ehird> Everyone who worked on it did a great job. Yet you still won't pay for it, because the RIAA is evil - and therefore paying Microsoft for Windows 7 is inconsistent.
06:51:54 <coppro> Microsoft, as I said, has lots of internal conflict
06:52:29 <ehird> As an autonomous business it is sociopathic, destructive and evil: it should be in prison for life. Heck, in the current US legal system probably even sentenced to death.
06:52:47 <ehird> But corporations get a wild card, despite being considered legal persons.
06:53:05 <coppro> oh, based on history, sure
06:53:29 <ehird> Microsoft may not have the opportunity to reoffend right now, but that's just because of the world around it.
06:53:30 <coppro> (and I totally agree about corporations. The courts have the power to dissassemble corporations and should do it more willingly)
06:53:40 <coppro> ehird: nah, they're offending right now.
06:53:49 <ehird> coppro: Yes, but they're not on a murderous rampage.
06:53:53 <coppro> but they're like a drug addict trying to reform themselves
06:54:01 <ehird> Anyway, I would consider paying such a person to buy a painting they made abhorrent.
06:54:26 <ehird> coppro: maybe they're trying to stop smoking pot, but they're still doing heroin in private...
06:54:50 <ehird> Microsoft are just a really bad company.
06:55:14 <coppro> ehird: the fact is, right now, I'm willing to give Microsoft money for a good product.
06:55:39 <coppro> what /you/ think is completely irrelevant
06:55:43 <ehird> Have fun supporting the sociopathic, drug-using serial killer.
06:55:54 <ehird> I'm not exactly going to stop you...
06:56:00 <coppro> well, you can't
06:56:06 <ehird> Exactly.
06:56:14 <ehird> I hope that painting is really damn good.
06:56:15 <coppro> but I've spent long enough talking to you to know that you would if you could
06:56:26 <ehird> You are severely misguided.
06:56:32 <ehird> I'm no fascist.
06:57:12 <coppro> I don't think it would count as fascism
06:57:33 <ehird> You can give your money to whoever you want.
07:01:31 <coppro> the biggest thing about Microsoft now is they're threatened, I think they see that, and they're trying to deal with it. They're falling. And it's in my interests to cushion them (not going to say anything more on the subject; good night!)
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07:01:48 * ehird splurts
07:01:51 <ehird> Microsoft. Threatened.
07:02:17 <coppro> yes
07:02:30 <coppro> they're pulling an IBM
07:02:31 <ehird> Man that kool-aid must be good. Just, uh, so you know, if it's from a guy named Jim Jones I would, like, not drink it.
07:03:07 <ehird> So let's see... Microsoft, the threatened and falling company with a bad past and tons of internal conflict.
07:03:14 <ehird> Gee, I feel so warm and fuzzy now.
07:03:23 <coppro> internal conflict is a good thing
07:03:33 <ehird> Poor Microsoft ;_;
07:03:33 <coppro> anyway, I really need to get to bed
07:03:49 <coppro> ehird: odd as it sounds, I really do /not/ want to see them fail
07:04:10 <ehird> Yeah, those paintings are just way too good.
07:04:24 <coppro> hardly
07:04:25 <ehird> But seriously, if you truly think Microsoft is threatened...
07:04:35 <ehird> well, you're certainly not reading anything unbiased
07:04:46 <ehird> Or falling too.
07:05:24 <coppro> Microsoft's doing what IBM did... I'll explain later. G'night for real this time.
07:05:40 <ehird> tee hee
07:05:42 <ehird> you're crazy
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07:11:46 <ehird> hi fizzie
07:11:50 <ehird> we're weeping for microsoft
07:16:30 <fizzie> Oh? Are they in need of sympathy?
07:16:39 <ehird> yes, just ask coppro
07:16:51 <ehird> it's threatened, falling and it has huge internal conflict
07:16:53 <ehird> ;_;
07:17:03 <ehird> in conclusion, buy windows
07:18:00 <fizzie> I... see.
07:18:25 <ehird> i had no idea it was so poor until coppro told it all :'(
07:20:23 <fizzie> Yes, I kind of thought they weren't doing so bad these days. Admittedly I haven't really been paying attention.
07:20:40 <ehird> that's the thing about these facts
07:20:45 <ehird> they're unrelated to actual evidence
07:20:50 <ehird> which is why they're so upsetting!
07:30:03 <ehird> holy shit i cantr move my leg down
07:30:16 <ehird> aaaaaaa
07:30:39 <ehird> ah
07:30:41 <ehird> there we go
07:30:44 <ehird> crisis averted
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08:03:15 <augur> ehird
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08:03:19 <augur> whatd you do to yourself
08:03:35 <ehird> i was sitting with my legs up, and tried to put it down and it didn't work :|
08:04:31 <augur> ah
08:04:32 <augur> well
08:10:15 <ehird> well?
08:17:27 <fizzie> Heh, this graduate-school-funding-place application form has a length limit of 7500 characters (incl. whitespace, references) for the research plan; my plan is 7496 characters. (And it was originally about 13000 when written to another place with just "4-5 pages" length limit; was sorely tempted to use those txt msg abrvs 2 shrtn it.)
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10:44:30 <oklopol> lecturer mentioned ais
10:44:49 <oklopol> (in private conversation, not by name, but anyway, small world)
10:54:03 <oklopol> also what's the opposite of nodding, i don't know it in any language
10:54:47 <oklopol> anyway it's weird to explain something to a dude who keeps antinodding, especially when you don't realize he means "yes" by it
10:55:51 <oklopol> felt like he asked for help, then silently judged me while i explained
10:56:03 <oklopol> which i suppose he could've done because it was homework, but anyway
10:56:23 <oklopol> foreigners are so weird, they ask for help
10:58:07 <oklopol> actually a few finns have done it too, although they rarely directly ask me to show my answers
10:58:17 <oklopol> so what's the weather like
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11:14:09 <oklopol> ais523: ears burning?
11:14:16 <ais523> why would they be?
11:14:32 <ais523> it sounds like you're quoting me out of context
11:14:35 <oklopol> doesn't that happen when you're mentioned
11:14:37 <ais523> just I don't remember saying that
11:14:51 <ais523> oh no, my IRC ping is entirely visual
11:14:58 <ais523> flashing icons, flashing taskbar entries
11:15:05 <oklopol> oh, were your eyes burning then
11:15:13 <ais523> no, I'm used to being pinged
11:15:18 <ais523> mostly by annoying bots on other networks
11:15:28 <oklopol> your eyes will burn only if you aren't on the channel
11:15:45 <ais523> yes, but usually I'm not
11:15:54 <ais523> imagine a channel which is usually idle except a bot pings you every now and then
11:15:56 <ais523> it's liek that
11:15:58 <ais523> *like that
11:16:12 <oklopol> X burns, where X is your method of perception, if the medium you usually follow using X mentions you when you aren't currently on it
11:16:31 <ais523> a red icon and slowly pulsing taskbar isn't particularly burning
11:17:00 <oklopol> okay nevermind, i just wanted to tell you i mentioned you
11:17:27 <ais523> ok, so you pinged me just to tell me that you'd pinged me?
11:17:35 <ais523> that's the sort of logic that only #esoteric would come up with
11:18:26 <oklopol> i'm not sure i agree, i'm just saying "read logs, so i don't have to repeat myself"
11:18:48 <ais523> oh, I didn't realise the request to read logs
11:18:51 <ais523> I hardly ever do nowadays
11:18:53 <oklopol> i mean, as a suggestion, it's not *that* interesting.
11:18:53 <ais523> where should I look?
11:18:58 <oklopol> a few lines up
11:19:06 <oklopol> that's why i asked about the burning
11:19:16 <ais523> nothing happened between me joining and your ping, apart from Patashu leaving
11:19:40 <ais523> found it
11:19:49 <oklopol> by my definition your ears will not burn if you're on the channel when you're pinged.
11:19:57 <oklopol> well eyes, whatever
11:20:19 <ais523> it's weird being just enough of a celebrity that people occasionally recognise you in the street, and you have no idea who they are
11:21:14 <oklopol> i wouldn't like that
11:21:31 <oklopol> well, i suppose i'd like it more than actually knowing more people :P
11:21:37 <ais523> heh
11:22:25 <oklopol> the problem with uninteresting people is i'm great at pretending like i'm enjoying the conversation, and i'm a pleaser.
11:23:22 <oklopol> or s/pleaser/wuss/
11:24:02 <ais523> I normally try to get involved in the conversation
11:24:21 <ais523> hmm... if you dislike a conversation, you can get rid of it by steering the subject to something the other person doesn't understand
11:25:17 <oklopol> with my definition of interesting people, that works perfectly.
11:26:25 <ais523> interesting people = people who might actually try to understand this channel?
11:27:54 <oklopol> well i'm interested in many things, any of those
11:28:19 <oklopol> well, some people are interested just for their personality, naturally, otherwise finding a gf might be kinda hard
11:28:23 <oklopol> *interesting
11:29:11 <oklopol> (i promise i'll stop being sexist when i see the first female mathematician that doesn't suck)
11:32:32 <oklopol> the esolang prof didn't know sk calculus
11:34:12 <fizzie> Our crypto-mathematician, who happens to be female -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaisa_Nyberg -- didn't *seem* sucky, but I wouldn't really know, based on just the lectures of a single crypto-intro-course.
11:36:56 <oklopol> i'm fairly sure some of the students don't suck either, but i only know the ones that complain loudly about the hardness of the courses
11:36:58 <oklopol> :P
11:37:08 <oklopol> which guys do just as much
11:37:10 <fizzie> I probably have already mentioned this, but I think she used to publish the course exam questions in advance, AES-encrypted.
11:37:27 <oklopol> yep
11:37:32 <ais523> in the hope that people would try to brute-force the encryption?
11:38:36 <fizzie> In the "hope" that someone intelligently breaks AES, I guess; it's not a very great hope, but it sure is more likely than plain brute-forcing a 256-bit symmetric key.
11:38:58 <ais523> well, she has to store the key somewhere
11:39:03 <ais523> maybe it's to encourage people to hack into her computer:?
11:39:05 <ais523> *?
11:39:21 <fizzie> Yes, the same place where the unencrypted questions are stored, most likely.
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20:42:46 <zzo38> I have some idea for esolangs based on mahjong game.
20:42:57 <zzo38> I might write it more later, on the wiki
20:44:15 <zzo38> Like, you could have one "Mahjong operator" act on two inputs and one output. If the input is [3man,3man] then the output is [3man] and if the input is [5sou,4sou] then the output can be [3sou] or [6sou]
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20:51:24 <zzo38> So I would have to make it multiple outputs sometimes, too
20:51:46 <zzo38> And possibly more than two inputs, also.
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20:58:36 <augur> guys, would it be correct to say that continuations make parallelism easier?
21:02:11 <ais523> they'd certainly make implementing it easier
21:02:17 <ais523> on a non-parallel system
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21:36:57 <Ilari> zzo38: In latter case, is the output deterministic, (pseudo)random or nondeterministic?
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21:53:46 <zzo38> Ilari: I'm not sure. I think it could be made deterministic
21:54:11 <zzo38> Like, with multiple program thread and can communicate afterward together too
21:55:12 <Ilari> zzo38: Mahjongg operator is affected by all threads and forms "covert channel" between threads?
21:57:45 <zzo38> That could be a possibility.
21:58:18 <zzo38> Also, the input could be a list instead of just 2 entries. And the output could also just be a list, without multithreading or anything.
21:59:02 <zzo38> For example: [4sou,5sou] -> [3sou,6sou]; [1man,1man] -> [1man]; [4pin,5pin,6pin,7pin] -> [4pin,7pin];
21:59:50 <zzo38> Because, if you have 4567 then you have a incomplete sequence and a pair, and you have to complete the pair with a 4 or 7, where the 567 or 456 would then be a sequence.
22:00:21 <zzo38> And when you have honors, there is no sequence, of course.
22:00:57 <zzo38> Example: [haku,haku,chun,chun] -> [haku,chun]
22:08:48 <zzo38> You can make everything a list. So, applying the mahjong operator twice to [2sou,2sou,3sou,3sou] would result in [1sou,4sou]
22:19:48 <Ilari> And in non-turing-complete front: BLOOP augmented with Conway arrow operator.
22:23:37 <Ilari> Would be capable of expressing g_n. g_1 is already unimaginable. g_64 is Graham's number... So it grows fast.
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23:34:38 <zzo38> ?
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23:35:03 <oerjan> !
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23:37:44 <AnMaster> oerjan, iwc
23:37:46 <AnMaster> and night
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23:38:07 <zzo38> Have you used "ImageMagick"?
23:38:34 <AnMaster> I've used convert from imagemagick yes
23:38:35 <AnMaster> why?
23:38:52 <AnMaster> it is quite a strange question to ask, considering how common the software is
23:39:16 <zzo38> I have used ImageMagick for not only image processing, but for audio processing, too.
23:39:22 <AnMaster> err
23:39:25 <AnMaster> huh
23:39:29 <AnMaster> it does that?
23:40:13 <zzo38> It doesn't support audio formats, but if you have a raw audio file, you can load it as a file with a height of 1 and do processing on it.
23:40:29 <AnMaster> I would never had thought of that
23:40:42 <zzo38> imconvert -size 84622x1 -depth 8 r:- -channel R -fx "p{i+20*sin(i/50),j}" r:-
23:40:52 <zzo38> There, that's a kind of flanger effect.
23:40:56 <AnMaster> hm
23:41:00 <AnMaster> I just use audacity
23:41:50 <AnMaster> zzo38, "imconvert"?
23:42:02 <AnMaster> everywhere I seen it, it was just "convert"
23:42:11 <AnMaster> so that would break scripts using it
23:42:29 <zzo38> I prefixed all the files with "im" to make it work with Windows. On UNIX systems you would not prefix with "im"
23:42:57 <AnMaster> oh maybe "convert" is an existing command on windows *shrug*
23:45:18 <zzo38> I think they could add built-in audio support with red channell for the left channel, and green for the right channel. ImageMagick has FFT (although an external library has to be added to use it), and other stuff, so it should work.
23:45:54 <zzo38> The other feature I wanted in ImageMagick is a utility to put formatted text onto a image, including with masking and symbol-fonts, like Magic Set Editor does.
23:47:38 <coppro> zzo38: I work on MSE :)
23:48:16 <zzo38> coppro: Yes, I think I read the name "coppro" somewhere in the MSE, but I wouldn't quite remember exactly
23:48:22 <coppro> I'm the Linux de
23:48:24 <coppro> *dev
23:48:40 <AnMaster> what is MSE?
23:49:08 <coppro> Custom card renderer
23:49:29 <AnMaster> card? as in *.vcard?
23:49:33 <zzo38> Like, image magick text formatting might have a file with \ for each format, such as \^ for superscript, \_ for subscript, \b for bold, \i for italic, \z for symbols, \s for relative size, -mask for mask image, and so on
23:49:41 <coppro> AnMaster: no, as in CCG
23:49:46 <AnMaster> coppro, CCG?
23:49:55 <coppro> Collectible Card Game
23:50:00 <AnMaster> oh those
23:51:13 <zzo38> ImageMagick has enough functions to render the card, except for a utility to write formatted text in the same way.
23:52:39 <coppro> MSE uses wxWidgets :/
23:53:06 <zzo38> Yes I know that.
23:59:36 <AnMaster> zzo38, script gimp?
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