00:00:13 <fizzie> Oh, and speaking of the "aitnesloku"; I ran 60 megabytes of gzipped Finnish newsposts through a pipeline, and indeed the most popular are exactly those, in exactly that order. It must have some sort of basis in truth then.
00:08:04 <Warrigal> I still insist that words can be words even if they're ubiquitiless.
00:08:54 <oerjan> perfectly cromulent (although that word is probably not ubiquitiless any longer)
00:10:45 <oerjan> although it would help if you made the last i a y, i think
00:17:26 * ehird sets up Notational Velocity, realises he never has a need to take notes
00:17:37 <ehird> I also don't keep a todo because I never forget what I need/want to do...
00:18:38 <oerjan> and you don't need to brush your teeth or comb your hair, they keep perfect all on their own
00:18:54 <ehird> you forget whether you need to do that?
00:23:00 <ehird> I just can't figure out how it's relevant
00:23:42 <oerjan> it's a comment on your obvious perfection
00:24:28 <ehird> I wasn't saying anything like that
00:24:39 <oerjan> <ehird> I also don't keep a todo because I never forget what I need/want to do...
00:24:43 <ehird> I kept a todo for ages, then I realised when I read it the next day, I knew what it was saying
00:25:03 <ehird> bang goes my theory of I-forget-everything-overnight, bang goes the usefulness of todo lists
00:25:39 <coppro> probably the very act of writing it down caused you to remember; I'm like that
00:26:33 <ehird> Nope; I just stopped keeping a todo list and I was fine.
00:26:49 <ehird> At least, the things I've forgotten can't have been very good ideas, because I've been perfectly content since.
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00:34:41 <ehird> "First of all, fuck you too. Let's just get that out of the way." --jwz
00:35:58 <ehird> the replier proceeds to call jamie zawinski an anonymous internet crybaby
00:36:09 <ehird> ...probably with a Netscape-derived browser...
00:36:52 <ehird> "If Palm had approved his apps[…]almost no one would have heard of jwz."
00:37:05 <ehird> you'd think people would check before calling jwz anonymous, unknown or whatever
00:37:44 <ehird> "I was not aware of you as my programming experience hasn't really touched on the open source realm"
00:37:49 <ehird> Netscape 3: so open source.
00:41:42 <ehird> btw, does anyone know of an smtp server that only starts when required?
00:41:45 <ehird> that would be cool
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00:46:22 <ehird> http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2009/10/there_is_no_web.html OOOooohhh, it's just like the old days of quirksmode! Browser incompatibilities galore! No rendering engine is safe!
00:46:30 <ehird> My keyboard also seems to be lagging behind my typing!
00:47:10 <ehird> Disproving that the web exists would indeed be amusing.
00:50:53 <ehird> Today in A Series of Things That I Miss When Not Using OS X: You can inject keyboard shortcuts into any application! System Preferences -> Keyboard & Moues -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> + -> Choose an application (or All Applications for global stuff) -> Type in the corresponding name in the menus for the action that you want the shortcut to do -> Press the shortcut -> Add!
00:51:13 <ehird> For instance: Safari, Google Search…, ⌘K.
00:51:20 <ehird> Now ⌘K focuses the search field.
00:51:50 <ehird> It even displays ⌘K next to Edit → Find → Google Search….
00:58:53 <ehird> Did YouTube change player design *again*?
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01:52:12 <madbrain> I spent the day working on this http://esolangs.org/wiki/Univar
01:56:35 <madbrain> well, yeah, what else is practical with a functional language?
01:58:47 <coppro> so is (>,) a function returning the right half of ,, or is it false/0?
02:01:02 <ehird> madbrain: "reassign the value of this variable to a new value"
02:01:05 <ehird> that's functional?
02:01:11 <ehird> well perhaps, not purely functional thhough
02:01:46 <madbrain> coppro: It returns the right half but the i/o uses it to represent false
02:02:34 <coppro> I'd invent new symbols for that; it's too confusin otherwise
02:02:47 <coppro> ehird: just imagine it as a series of functions chained from bottom to top
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02:02:58 <ehird> coppro: It has IO.
02:03:09 <coppro> ehird: I was talking about the variabe
02:03:11 <ehird> It is not purely functional because it is not referentially transparent, and argument oorder matters.
02:03:18 <coppro> it's obviously not purely functional
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02:06:14 <madbrain> uh, I think it is referentially transparent
02:07:48 <coppro> a statement with an I/O operation cannot be safely replaced with its value
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03:10:11 <ehird> Minimalism doesn't account for bitchin
03:14:01 <ehird> Hey, Colloquy strips it.
03:14:07 <ehird> New favourite IRC client found!
03:14:18 <ehird> I wonder if I should pirate+install Snow Leopard; that could be fun.
03:14:26 <oerjan> however, i would probably not have seen it anyway
03:15:18 <oerjan> sir ehird, baron of hexham
03:15:25 <ehird> LimeChat is unstable and has no, for instance, ignore feature.
03:15:33 <ehird> Also, it's less mac-like than Colloquy, which admittedly sucks.
03:15:36 <ehird> But it sucks less.
03:15:38 <augur_> it definitely has ignore
03:15:41 <augur_> and is perfectly stable
03:15:44 <ehird> No, it does not have ignore.
03:15:48 <ehird> It at least did not a month or two ago.
03:15:57 <ehird> I know this because the creator said he would consider adding it.
03:16:04 <ehird> In its Google Group.
03:16:19 <ehird> Admittedly I only switched to Colloquy so I could ignore AnMaster for a few hours, but still.
03:16:35 <ehird> Anyhow, do you have the snowy leppy up on dat thing?
03:16:36 * oerjan prepares to start harassing the defenseless augur_
03:16:58 <ehird> I haven't even upgraded to iTunes 9 yet; I'm so fucking old school.
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03:19:00 <ehird> It's a shame that Apple's computers don't feature a model to my liking for the purpose I want, because it would be nice to keep OS X. On the other hand I'm not sure I want to deal with EFI, etc. for other OSs. And OSx86 is just uber-lame.
03:21:50 <ehird> Although I'm continually tempted to stay with OS X every time I see awesome shit like this: http://www.dribin.org/dave/blog/archives/2007/11/28/ssh_agent_leopard/
03:23:16 <ehird> I mean, c'mon. They added bloody OS integration to ssh-agent.
03:25:38 <ehird> Oh boy oh boy oh boy, exciting new iTunes 9! It's way uglier, looks less like the OS, and has added a smart playlist called Classical Music that I don't want.
03:25:50 <ehird> God, it's... so ugly.
03:26:21 <augur> whatve they changed?
03:28:03 <ehird> http://static.maniacalrage.net/bucket/itunes/
03:28:07 <ehird> Hover over. Warning: You may barf.
03:28:34 <ehird> It's literally... I can't keep my eyes on it. I have an urge to close that window AS SOON AS DAMN POSSIBLE.
03:29:48 <augur> so really all they did is
03:29:52 <augur> make it look more like safari.
03:30:14 <augur> hardly major changes
03:30:44 <ehird> It looks nothing like Safari.
03:30:47 <ehird> They completely changed the UI.
03:30:55 <ehird> It no longer even imitates OS window decorations.
03:31:09 <ehird> It's some god-awful shiny-glass-candy version.
03:31:12 * Sgeo tweeted something that probably sounds stupid, but still:
03:31:16 <Sgeo> "Is it just me, or is the bill in the Senate suffering from specifying the changes made, and not indicating the result -- Just like B nomic.."
03:31:25 <ehird> We don't care, Sgeo.
03:32:12 <Sgeo> Nothing to say, just that I wish that we could easily read the final result of applying changes found in bills.
03:32:22 <Sgeo> As opposed to seeing "Change this here, change that there"
03:36:43 <ehird> There is no final text
03:36:51 <ehird> All text is appended, and the judges have to work out how to apply it all
03:37:10 <Sgeo> "Herbert Schildt has a knack for clear, readable text, describing a language subtly but quite definitely different from C."
03:37:17 <Sgeo> Anyone want to make a compiler for Schildt-lang?
03:37:49 <ehird> augur: Here's iTunes 9's interface in all its horrible, horrible wretchedness: http://imgur.com/3xiTw.png
03:38:20 <ehird> If that doesn't make you go "bleargh, look what they did to the window title; bleargh, look what they did to the play buttons; bleargh, look what they did to the now-playing box"... you may not be human.
03:38:49 <ehird> It's clearly a regression; it sticks out like a sore thumb unless it's the only application you're running, in which case you can pretend that all of OS X is this ugly and gratuitously shiny.
03:39:37 <ehird> Also, I like the new feature where it blurs Cover Flow, the track list and the library summary!
03:45:08 <ehird> Someone laugh at my hilarious joke, yo.
03:58:57 <ehird> http://imgur.com/mmhM7.jpg
04:01:14 <ehird> "I may even still be able to write code, and my dream is to contribute to open source software projects even from within an immobile body." --http://lesswrong.com/lw/1ab/dying_outside/
04:04:03 <ehird> (one of the original programmers of pgp 2.0)
04:06:57 <ehird> coppro: gonna be a bitch to write code on that thing, though
04:07:13 <coppro> better pick a language with good code complete
04:07:32 <ehird> "Our least productive contributor apart from you, divided by 1,000,000, is more productive than you!"
04:09:25 <coppro> ehird: support my cards reform
04:09:36 <ehird> By reform do you mean abolishment? If so, sure.
04:11:23 <coppro> also gogo wooble, start a coup :)
04:11:34 <ehird> Wait, I'm meant to support Wooble?
04:11:36 <oerjan> change it to mahjong, i'm sure zzo would be delighted
04:11:45 <ehird> I'm not sure I can support Wooble in anythting.
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04:12:01 <coppro> ehird: No, Wooble might start a coup; e stole BobTHJ's Admiral of the Navy
04:14:21 <ehird> Tell him from me."
04:14:21 <ehird> — James Joyce, Ulysses
04:14:40 <coppro> ehird: you really haven't been paying attention to Agora at all, have you?
04:14:51 <ehird> coppro: Well, I'm explicitly not reading any of the cards-related rules.
04:15:19 <coppro> Coups are cards-related, but only the Major Arcana (i.e. MwoP) cards
04:16:50 <ehird> But no, I haven't really been paying much attention to Agora after they decided to make the game really crap.
04:18:47 <coppro> you should propose getting rid of cards
04:19:00 <coppro> It has a chance of passing
04:19:22 <ehird> But then the bloat-loving masses will go "oh, but ehird, what do we replace the dungpile with?". :P
04:19:32 <ehird> SO WHAT IF I'M BITTER
04:20:08 <ehird> btw, anyone know if it's safe to pop off the keys in a scissor-switch keyboard?
04:20:24 <ehird> i.e. every notebook keyboard ever, except Apple computers
04:20:37 <coppro> if done correctly, yes
04:21:50 <ehird> I start to pick one up and it resists but bends up a bit.
04:21:52 <ehird> Can I just keep going?
04:22:01 <ehird> The key doesn't bend.
04:23:27 <coppro> I think you just keep going
04:23:38 <ehird> But it feels so snappy.
04:23:39 <coppro> try it on a key you don't need first
04:23:50 <ehird> Pretty sure I need that key.
04:23:59 <ehird> I don't need num lock, though.
04:24:17 <ehird> Ehh... I dunno about this.
04:25:40 <ehird> http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/keyboards/Desktop/G85-23100/index.htm
04:25:53 <ehird> The keyswitches are somethhingorother.
04:25:55 <coppro> oh I thought you were being ehird
04:26:01 <ehird> coppro: "being ehird"?
04:26:12 <coppro> saying something random that isn't helpful at all
04:26:46 <coppro> in any case, pretty sure that's what you do. Not sure, and not willing to risk your keyboard on it
04:26:54 * Sgeo still can't quite believe that http://rinkworks.com/stupid/ is still updated
04:26:57 <ehird> You don't have to risk my keyboard on it. :P
04:27:10 <ehird> Sgeo: The hilarity just increases with every update!
04:27:53 <Sgeo> Teacher: "You can't do spaces in HTML. If you see spaces on web pages, then they must be using java to override basic HTML. Java saved the Internet, because it removes limitations of HTML, but it's beyond the scope of this course to show you how to do it."
04:28:03 <Sgeo> That has to be made up, right?
04:28:09 <ehird> Who is this teacher?
04:28:17 <Sgeo> Some person on http://rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_programming.shtml
04:28:30 <ehird> It's impossible to tell. Poe's law.
04:29:36 <ehird> "Programmer: "What do you mean, I can't initialize things in an assert()?""
04:29:43 <ehird> assert(your_wrong = bitch);
04:31:17 <Sgeo> My teacher once gave us this line of Javascript:
04:31:27 <Sgeo> document.write(<b>"Hello world!"</b>);
04:31:43 <ehird> is this class mandatory or something
04:32:08 <Sgeo> ehird, it was a high school Java class (yes, I know, Javascript is not Java. Don't ask me why it was thrown in there)
04:32:18 <Sgeo> We also learned Alice in that class!
04:32:26 <ehird> so, I'm pretty sure that I'm glad I'm not in the US, I suppose?
04:32:34 <Sgeo> (not the chat bot thing)
04:32:47 <pikhq> ehird: Yeah, that's the correct thing to be.
04:32:49 <Sgeo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_%28software%29
04:33:05 <ehird> I'm pretty sure Alice sucks.
04:33:26 <coppro> It doesn't look terrible, but it certainly looks bad
04:33:32 <pikhq> Public education is still getting used to this whole "students have souls" thing. It'll take another couple of centuries to grasp what a computer actually is.
04:33:53 <ehird> pikhq: But I don't want them to get used to a falsity!
04:34:29 <Sgeo> I don't remember if we actually learned any Java in that class
04:35:59 * ehird wonders if he has the patience to see if you can run Windows 95's explorer.exe on XP/Vista/7
04:36:06 <ehird> (The patience to install one of those in a VM, that is.)
04:45:19 * coppro wants to play a colourful puzzle game that doesn't use flash... any suggestions?
04:45:48 <ehird> What's the matter? Pansy OS can't handle hardcore Adobe technology?
04:46:12 <coppro> no, I just want something that isn't flash
04:46:20 <ehird> Maybe you should stop being such a pansy!
04:47:13 <coppro> enigma is not very puzzley to tell the truth
04:47:17 <coppro> ooh, haven't heard of that one
04:47:37 <ehird> coppro: It's by ais523 and really old (iirc he was 15 when he started working on it)
04:47:57 <ehird> He was porting it to SDL recently and I got the source, patched it up a bit for my own nefarious purposes and compiled it for OS X
04:48:08 <coppro> what level set should I play, you think?
04:48:13 <ehird> But the license he gave it to me on forbids me from giving it to you without his permission, I believe.
04:48:14 <ehird> coppro: in Enigma?
04:48:25 <coppro> for more puzzles less skill
04:48:26 <ehird> well, the sokoban levels are very puzzley, but god I hate sokoban
04:48:32 * Sgeo discovers what he can only assume to be a bug in YouTube
04:48:42 <coppro> if I want Sokoban I'll play NetHack ;)
04:48:44 <ehird> coppro: compile the SVN version
04:48:57 <ehird> it has a few more level packs including some of ais523's
04:49:01 <ehird> and they're mostly puzzley
04:49:12 <Gregor> Sokoban = awesomesacue.
04:49:16 <Sgeo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kf0o-CqBcM should not be a 3d video
04:49:27 <ehird> SOKOBAN IS LIKE A DICK IN YOUR MOUTH WITHOUT BEING GAY
04:49:45 <ehird> Somehow I doubt watching this video is worthwhile.
04:50:12 <Sgeo> I made the new year's ball drop, but it is somewhat boring
04:50:25 <ehird> I was referring more to the "this person clearly likes Soulja Boy" aspect.
04:50:28 <Sgeo> And unviewable unless you put crosseyed viewing, which is the bug since this isn't a 3d video
04:50:36 <Sgeo> ehird, I've danced to Soulja Boy
04:50:42 <ehird> You are a horrible person.
04:50:47 <ehird> Please enter the nearest suicide booth.
04:51:01 <Sgeo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj6niGxLGP0 I'm the guy on the left
04:51:05 <Sgeo> (of the video)
04:51:43 <ehird> Is clicking on that link going to improve my day any?
04:52:06 <Sgeo> If watching me have two left feet would improve your day, yes
04:52:16 <ehird> Yes, but two left feet TO SOULJA BOY.
04:52:23 <ehird> It's like, I have certain boundaries. In my life.
04:52:24 <Gregor> If you've ever listened to Soulja Boy voluntarily, you should strongly consider the suicide booth.
04:52:26 <ehird> Even with muted audio.
04:52:29 <coppro> what the... how are knight stones controlled?
04:52:32 <ehird> And I do not transcend these boundaries.
04:52:34 <ehird> coppro: Diagonally.
04:52:46 <ehird> Sgeo: That video did not improve my day.
04:53:24 <Sgeo> How about the realization that I just revealed, in a publically logged chat, which school I go to?
04:53:34 <ehird> Gregor: Exception requested! I have in my possession a wonderful acoustic cover of whatever the only "song" anyone even knows by Soulja Boy. This clearly required listening to Soulja Boy, and yet I love it. Should its maker really consider suicide booths?
04:53:42 <ehird> Sgeo: HAHAHAHA NOW I AM GOING TO RAPE YOU
04:53:53 <ehird> THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME NOW THAT I KNOW WHAT SCHOOL YOU GO TO
04:54:16 <coppro> hmm... Enigma once again falls prey to the failing of requiring too much skill for a puzzle game
04:54:17 <Gregor> ehird: Consider doesn't necessarily mean use.
04:54:20 * ehird puts on his RAPE CAPE
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04:54:25 <coppro> I want something less mouse conrol more think
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04:55:20 <ehird> I am an exceptionally efficient rapist.
04:55:52 <coppro> ehird: want a game with less skill please, I'm not in a skillful mood
04:56:16 <ehird> Well, DNA Maze is a puzzle game, but it also requires a looot of tricky movement (keyboard though).
04:56:28 <ehird> What with the protagonist being a strand of DNA that constantly rotates every Nth of a second.
04:56:38 <ehird> + tight passages and stuff
04:56:43 <ehird> Also, you can't have it :P
04:56:54 <ehird> I could record a video of it!
04:57:00 <coppro> I want something like DROD, except that I don't feel like DROD right now
04:57:08 <oerjan> ehird: to the rapemobile!
04:57:16 <ehird> Or not! It looks like I deleted my archived Tiger system without regrets.
04:57:22 <coppro> hmm... could go downstairs and play some Magic
04:57:28 <ehird> This includes the only copy of the source that ais523 does not own.
04:58:02 <ehird> Turns out I saved it.
04:58:09 <coppro> hmm... I'm going to go downstairs and play Magic
04:58:27 <ehird> + the worst indentation style ever
04:58:44 <coppro> with tabs at 7 characters?
04:58:48 <ehird> void CloseDown(void) {
04:58:48 <ehird> for(size_t i=0;i<(sizeof images)/(sizeof *images);i++)
04:58:48 <ehird> if(images[i]) SDL_FreeSurface(images[i]);
04:58:49 <ehird> if(DemoFile) {fclose(DemoFile); DemoFile=0;}
04:58:50 <Gregor> Worse than GNU indentation? There are indentations worse than GNU indentation?
04:58:58 <ehird> Furthermore, it mixes spaces and tabs (assumed to be 8 characters wide)
04:59:11 <ehird> ais did it to be the indentation scheme intentionally repulsive to the most people possible
04:59:17 <ehird> but it's a bitch to maintain
04:59:17 <pikhq> KILL IT! KILL IT!!!
04:59:42 <ehird> To put it politely, I want to kill a bitch whenever I see it.
04:59:47 <coppro> hmm... I have only two real objections to that, and two minor issues
05:00:02 <pikhq> Then you have problems, coppro.
05:00:24 <ehird> Anyway, I recoded the build system and added the ability to make a Mac OS X binary, added a debug mode that unlocks all levels and, uh, stuff.
05:00:27 <oerjan> but but ... it's _perfect_!
05:00:49 <coppro> objections = closing brace not on own line, the second if all on one line. Minor issues are the first if being on one line and the leading brace not on its own line
05:01:00 <ehird> You mean you object to all of it? :P
05:01:01 <coppro> oh, now that I look there's spacing issues too, but that's generally not considered indentation style
05:01:11 <ehird> Also, mixing spaces andd tabs
05:01:18 <coppro> oh, that too, but it's not visible here
05:01:32 <coppro> but 2 spaces > everything else except elastic tabs
05:01:34 <Asztal> http://giraffes.pastebin.com/m44341aad
05:01:40 * coppro wishes elastic tabs existed in KATE
05:01:43 <ehird> 4 spaces are generally better.
05:02:02 <ehird> 8 is too disjointed, but 2 is too clunked together and encourages lots of nesting.
05:02:04 <ehird> BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
05:02:15 <ehird> Just FUCKING USE TABS and let the reader decide, you goddamn fascist. :P
05:02:25 <coppro> no, tabs are even worse
05:02:26 <ehird> I'm going to start a new marketing campaign for tabs
05:02:27 <coppro> hm... maybe 3 looks good. I've never tried it
05:02:30 <ehird> "TABS: FUCKING USE THEM"
05:02:39 <coppro> because you inevitably have other things that need to line up - continuations, comments, etc.
05:02:45 <ehird> coppro: Tabs suck IF YOU USE THEM FOR ALIGNMENT, which is to say tabs suck IF YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD.
05:02:45 <coppro> and tabs are terrible for those
05:02:55 <ehird> So don't use them for alignment. That's not what a tab is.
05:03:00 <ehird> Also, alignment is generally stupid.
05:03:14 <ehird> Just put things on their own line before scrambling to reach the level of some other thing.
05:03:24 <coppro> ehird: sure, but if you use tabs for indentation, you can't safely spaces for alignment, because you don't know how many spaces the tab takes up
05:03:33 <coppro> ehird: have you ever heard of elastic tabs?
05:03:36 <Gregor> Alignment and indentation are too intertwined.
05:03:40 <ehird> You just use tabs until there's no more indentation, then space until you're aligned
05:03:42 <ehird> OH SNAP THAT WAS HARD!
05:03:55 <ehird> I have heard of elastic tabs.
05:04:06 <coppro> wish more editors supported them
05:04:09 <ehird> They are a solution in search of a problem; if you want such fluidity, ditch text-based editing and go to ASTs.
05:04:13 <ehird> (I don't think that's a good solution either.)
05:04:34 * ehird plays me some DNA Maze!
05:04:43 <Gregor> ehird: Now write an editor that distinguishes alignment from indentation and actually maintains your alignment in the correct tab/space ratio while you write code.
05:04:53 <ehird> Gregor: That's... any editor.
05:05:02 <ehird> Alignment: retarded.
05:05:23 <ehird> Or, less stupidly:
05:05:51 <coppro> Gregor: http://nickgravgaard.com/elastictabstops/
05:06:06 <ehird> (Or if you need a newline in a parameter list, stop having so many damn arguments)
05:06:18 * ehird loves DNA Maze's DOS-style graphics
05:06:22 <Gregor> Apparently I'm lagged by at least 30 seconds. Sweet.
05:06:37 <Gregor> Maybe I'm just not connected at all.
05:06:43 <Sgeo> <Gregor> Maybe I'm just not connected at all.
05:07:28 <Sgeo> I had the same thing happen to me, but only on Foonetic, and only in XChat, and I could see everything as it happened
05:07:33 <Sgeo> I used ERC as an emergency IRC client
05:08:08 <Sgeo> I guess the server XChat was connected to was lagging one-way somehow
05:08:11 <Sgeo> * Ping reply from Gregor: 66.70 second(s)
05:09:25 <Sgeo> Gregor, is your system clock accurate?
05:10:38 <ehird> God, I forgot how hard DNA Maze is.
05:11:32 <ehird> Well, it's not so much a puzzle game in that there's no hidden meaning to the level, but there is an awful lot of quick thinking.
05:11:48 <ehird> It's not as puzzley as some of Enigma's puzzle levels, but it's more puzzley, IMO, than Enigma's other levels
05:11:48 <coppro> so it's not a sit-back-and-think sort of game?
05:12:06 <ehird> If you are a crazy cyborg with unnatural keyboard skills and a ridiculously fast brain, sure it is.
05:12:10 * coppro likes games without time pressure
05:12:32 <ehird> Oh, you can go as slow as you want if you're in a safe position and don't have a bomb about to go off in your space.
05:13:23 <coppro> complete lack of time pressure is not necessary for fun, so I'd be willing to give it a shot
05:13:41 <ehird> I'll do a little video of it .
05:13:43 <coppro> and if it's just a sort of "okay, sit back, and gogogo, and sit back, and gogogo", that can be very good
05:14:16 <ehird> It's sort of like "Okay, I have to put this in that position and then that bomb will go off there so I can get into this place and move there which will tilt me there. 3, 2, 1, TAPTAPTAPTAPTAPTAP Phew. Okay, now... hmm..."
05:14:36 <coppro> yeah, sounds good then
05:14:46 <Sgeo> Is reading/watching/whatever OpenCourseWare a good idea?
05:14:57 <ehird> Sgeo: Yes. MIT are win.
05:15:03 * coppro signs up for an MTGO beta draft
05:16:22 <Sgeo> http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Brain-and-Cognitive-Sciences/9-00Fall-2004/LectureNotes/index.htm how long should I expect the lectures to be?
05:16:26 * ehird downsizes screen resolution, starts recording
05:20:04 <Sgeo> MIT asks for rescussitation info?
05:20:47 <Pthing> is usual lecture length
05:21:01 <Sgeo> This file is 1:19:16
05:24:14 <Sgeo> "Quantitative Physiology: Organ Transport Systems" WTF is that doing in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science?
05:24:17 <Sgeo> http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/courses/courses/index.htm#ElectricalEngineeringandComputerScience
05:25:32 <ehird> coppro: OK, I have a 5 minute, 14MiB demo
05:25:46 <ehird> With an annoying huge opaque watermark all the way through, but there you go
05:25:50 <Pthing> because i presume it deals with electrical systems in biology?
05:25:57 <Pthing> and goes into quite nerdy detail?
05:26:22 <Pthing> The first is a laboratory project on microfluidics. It provides an opportunity to study molecular transport and diffusion. In the second project, a software representation of the Hodgkin-Huxley model for a neural membrane will be used to introduce students to the use of computer simulation to understand the behavior of complex systems.
05:26:32 <ehird> coppro: i could just youtube it or something
05:26:45 <ehird> anyway, I need to find some headphones to check that it picked up my keypresses
05:26:51 <coppro> but that's even more lossy
05:26:56 <ehird> I'll upload it as HD
05:27:01 <ehird> the tiles are big enough h to see, anyway
05:27:03 <ehird> even the font is huge
05:27:19 <ehird> To be noted is that I'm not actually any good at it
05:28:17 <coppro> I'm pretty bad at most games
05:28:44 <ehird> Also, you will have to look at the APPALLING APPLE-MADE WINDOW MANAGER around it.
05:30:31 <coppro> actually, I should rephrase that
05:30:37 <coppro> I'm pretty bad at most video games
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05:33:29 <ehird> coppro: emailing might be easier; do you have the ability to play H.264 files?
05:33:36 <ehird> you know, an evil patented format involving APPLE
05:33:39 <coppro> can mplayer play them?
05:33:50 <ehird> I have not yet found a format for which the answer to that is no.
05:33:59 <ehird> (VLC sux; it can't handle softsubs properly)
05:34:11 <ehird> (It completely disregards their formatting)
05:35:28 <ehird> Alright, uploading to Gmail
05:35:46 <ehird> Audio is recommended for oh-he-pressed-a-key purposes.
05:36:02 <ehird> (The only controls are the arrow keys, btw (apart from in the menus))
05:38:51 <ehird> I snapped off a key, where iis it
05:39:14 <coppro> oh wait, sorry, you're ehird. Try looking under the banana
05:39:21 <ehird> You were right. But it just went
05:39:26 <ehird> andd it was no longer there
05:39:35 <coppro> it was under the banana?
05:39:36 <ehird> now how do I reattach it
05:39:51 <ehird> tiny little dot on t he key
05:39:53 <coppro> just stick it on and press
05:39:57 <ehird> tiny little dip in the rubber
05:40:39 <coppro> maybe you need to do something arcane and stupid... good news is you got that key off
05:40:41 <ehird> It's i, by the way
05:40:55 <coppro> is the switch still on the board?
05:41:27 <ehird> The key that is off is just the plastic cap
05:41:35 <coppro> you should be not screwed then
05:41:41 <ehird> The little rubber nub that activates it is also still there
05:41:45 <coppro> but you may need to filled a little with it to get it back on
05:41:52 <ehird> It has a little dip for the tiny plastic dot to go in
05:42:25 <ehird> whoa, the switch lifts up
05:43:19 <ehird> coppro: forecast not good, man
05:43:32 <ehird> ok, sending dna maze
05:44:33 <ehird> so should i declare my i key a lost cause :(
05:45:29 <ehird> which I guess is permanent
05:45:38 <ehird> nobody else would notice
05:45:44 <ehird> but it's poking up on the right side
05:46:00 <ehird> this is an interim kb
05:46:58 <ehird> and it seems fine now
05:47:05 <ehird> if a little harder to press than the other keys
05:47:21 <ehird> apparently the total height including keys of this keyboard is 0.7"
05:49:11 <ehird> [[RUTLAND — A man placed on probation last week for allegedly assaulting his wife was arraigned yesterday on new charges stemming from an alleged assault his spouse said was brought on by her failure to properly cook his bacon on Sunday.
05:49:11 <ehird> She had been turning over strips of bacon that were cooking in a pan when Mr. Rutledge became angry because “it wasn’t in a neat line,” she wrote in a statement she gave police. She told police he struck her and told her, “You’re going to cause your own death.”
05:49:12 <ehird> He allegedly pushed her onto the couch when she threatened to call 911, saying, “You’ll pay with your life.”]]
05:49:16 <ehird> this man is a true defender of the bacon cause!
05:49:35 <ehird> aaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway
05:51:36 <coppro> ehird: no email yet :(
05:51:44 <ehird> check your spam(TM)
05:52:03 <coppro> you aren't Clicked Cash are you?
05:55:23 <ehird> I wonder why so many Pascal's Wager rebuttals don't mention the fact that it assumes there are only two options: atheism and one form of Christianity.
05:55:53 <ehird> It can be totally defeated by showing that, since there are infinite possible gods, your chance, no matter what, of picking the right one is exactly 0.
05:56:50 <ehird> to bsmntbombdood, two random lines are a discussion
05:57:02 <ehird> ...and the best way to end two lines is three lines
05:57:16 <Pthing> also nobody cares about theology apparently
05:57:24 <Pthing> a controversial statement if ever there were one
05:57:36 <madbrain> pascal's wager is the mathematical form of "subscribe to our religion, or else.."
05:57:50 <ehird> it's not as if people still seriously bring up pascal's wager. it's not as if religion has a massive influence on humanity
05:57:53 <ehird> nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnopppppppppppe
05:58:44 <oklopol> i want to convert something totally crazy
05:59:35 <ehird> no, scientists practice scientogy
06:00:11 <coppro> Agora needs a Major General Stanley reference
06:00:12 <oklopol> i mean my heart is the heart of a scientist, obviously i'm not yet an official one.
06:00:32 <ehird> you need a lab coat
06:00:35 <ehird> that counts as your registration
06:01:10 <ehird> anyone who would buy a lab coat is clearly someone to be certified as an Officially Licensed Practitioner of Science, or scientist for short
06:01:17 <ehird> madbrain: hurr reading comprehension fail
06:01:21 <oklopol> madbrain: don't say things like that near ehird
06:01:41 <oklopol> ehird: well you notice them and punish
06:01:43 <ehird> also technically the scientific method is just as arbitrary as any religion, but it's less, you know, retarded.
06:02:06 <ehird> [05:59] oklopol: maybe scientology
06:02:06 <ehird> [05:59] oklopol: cuz i'm scientist
06:02:09 <ehird> he didn't say science, he said scientology
06:03:45 <oklopol> maybe i should start doing science-ology, and never make it clear whether i just mean i do science or some sort of extreme scientology
06:04:02 <ehird> scienceology is totally hardcore
06:04:55 <oklopol> anyway i don't really believe in nonexact science, actually i have a rather hard time even believing mathematical proofs even after understanding them, unless they're trivial
06:05:04 <ehird> madbrain: you like ..s as much as bsmntbombdood likes ...s
06:05:22 <Pthing> you are operating with some weird definition of belief then
06:05:43 <oklopol> Pthing: how can i know i raed it right?
06:05:59 <Pthing> how can you know you read anything right
06:06:03 <oklopol> or that anyone ever did... WHAT IF EVERYONE ALWAYS MADE THE SAME ERROR
06:06:05 <Pthing> like maybe you are reading the pictures
06:06:12 <Pthing> and the thing you think are the pictures
06:06:26 <ehird> you just got me high... with words
06:06:28 <ehird> or are they pictures
06:06:32 <ehird> hmm maybe this is the channel list...
06:08:30 <oklopol> i seriously can't understand what you meant
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06:09:18 <oklopol> you mean "what if you always read all the math you read, completely wrong"? great counterargument to my not believing in math!
06:09:46 <Rugxulo> hey, what are the bot commands in here?
06:09:47 <EgoBot> help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
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06:09:55 <madbrain> one thing I don't get is avant garde composers
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06:10:28 <ehird> fungot is the one written in befunge.
06:11:14 <ehird> `run perl -e 'say "hi!"'
06:11:16 <madbrain> one thing I don't get is avant garde composers... do they believe in themselves or are they charlatans?
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06:11:29 <ehird> madbrain: Avant garde composers are interesting and their music is interesting.
06:11:32 <ehird> what's not to get about them
06:11:50 <HackEgo> Linux codu.org 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 20:39:26 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
06:11:51 <pikhq> madbrain: Avant garde composers do very unique things with music. What's not to get?
06:11:59 <ehird> so does your mom ahahahahem.
06:12:09 <madbrain> dunno, I generally find their music hugely disappointing
06:12:14 <Rugxulo> ,,,"."+*68*2%5.+*84/5:_5/84*+.,@
06:12:40 <ehird> HackEgo runs Linux commands.
06:12:44 <ehird> EgoBot runs esolangs.
06:12:49 <ehird> fungot runs esolangs and babbles.
06:13:15 <ehird> Download figlet, compile it and you can use it.
06:13:30 <Pthing> sure i know i can use it, i just wanted to see if the robot could
06:14:04 <HackEgo> Using built-in specs. \ Target: x86_64-linux-gnu \ Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Debian 4.3.3-10' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.3/README.Bugs --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --enable-multiarch --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib
06:14:30 <Rugxulo> `run /usr/bin/gcc --dumpversion
06:14:44 <ehird> `run gcc --dumpversion 2>&1
06:14:45 <Rugxulo> `run /usr/bin/gcc --dumpversion 2>&1
06:14:59 <madbrain> pikhq: well, it's kinda like listening to this guy making weird sounds with a huge modular synth... sure, the technology is interesting, and he makes some original sounds... but often times it's hard to distinguish between that and some synth plugin with randomized settings
06:15:10 <Rugxulo> (sorry for flooding the channel with this cruft, just curious)
06:15:20 <ehird> madbrain: If you don't like it, don't listen.
06:15:53 <ehird> So don't complain.
06:16:03 <Pthing> how am i supposed to get figlet on if i can't wget
06:16:03 <madbrain> But I find it sad that they squat all those avenues for new music.
06:16:14 <ehird> Pthing: there's a command to dl
06:16:17 <HackEgo> ? \ addquote \ calc \ commands \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ google \ helpme \ imdb \ minifind \ paste \ ping \ quote \ rec \ runfor \ sayhi \ strfile \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ unstr \ url \ wolfram
06:16:21 <ehird> madbrain: Squat them?
06:16:40 <ehird> Are you saying somehow that avant garde... waste... avenues for new music?
06:17:07 <HackEgo> #!/bin/bash \ if [ "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/'"$1" \ else \ echo 'http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/' \ fi
06:17:13 <madbrain> Well, mostly I think they should do better music
06:17:14 <ehird> what's it called again
06:17:28 <ehird> No, it's a special command
06:17:36 <ehird> madbrain: So you are the singular judge for what is good music?
06:17:50 <ehird> Considered that you might be a bit of an authoritarian?
06:18:16 <madbrain> Well, can I at least expect something distinguishable from pure random notes?
06:18:30 <ehird> Nope. The composers don't haev to answer to your whims.
06:19:08 <madbrain> Well, I don't critique people that compose better than me.
06:19:50 <ehird> So basically, your definition of better = is like the status quo.
06:20:14 <Pthing> "it just sounds like a bunch of random notes"
06:20:29 <Pthing> centuries old code for "i don't like this, it sounds weird"
06:20:33 <ehird> In the 50s you'd be complaining that you wished rock 'n roll composers would make songs indistinguishable from hitting the same three notes again and again.
06:20:56 <madbrain> Well, am I complaining against rap? Or metal?
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06:21:16 <ehird> you know how predictable this conversation is?
06:21:22 <madbrain> These styles don't appeal to me but at least they're... musically honest
06:21:36 <ehird> you're musically douchebag, tell that to John Cage's face
06:21:45 <ehird> in his grave i guess
06:22:15 <Rugxulo> just because somebody paints the Madonna and smears elephant dung on it doesn't make it "art"
06:22:43 <ehird> Rugxulo: yeah, art is stuff that was produced with techniques that existed in the 1300s, dammit!
06:22:44 <madbrain> What I complain about is that they try too hard to be original, to the detriment of being good
06:22:50 <ehird> toe the boundaries!
06:22:53 <madbrain> basically, their output turns to white noise
06:23:07 <ehird> madbrain: you say that because you don't like it, but it isn't true
06:23:10 <pikhq> The same argument has been said of most forms of music, madbrain.
06:23:54 <Pthing> i found the growliest metal yesterday
06:23:58 <Pthing> it was really quite something
06:24:28 * pikhq is not a huge fan of death metal; gimme some Led Zeppelin.
06:24:34 <Pthing> http://www.cockandball.de/media/cbt_tampont.mp3
06:24:48 <Rugxulo> lol, the name says it all :-P
06:24:52 <Pthing> the second verse is better
06:25:21 <oklopol> Pthing: dogs :) <<< do you want this one? god i hate carrying its shit
06:25:39 * pikhq makes a computer hate him by running 8 different mencoder jobs in parallel
06:25:48 <ehird> wikipedia classes this band as
06:26:14 <pikhq> Hooray, encoding an entire TV series at once.
06:27:34 <madbrain> Well, it's like this guy who wrote a tremolo between two notes, and of course it had to be a tritone
06:27:57 <ehird> you're boring madbrain
06:27:59 <ehird> booooooooooooooooooooooring
06:28:19 <ehird> stop making music that's too different
06:28:24 <ehird> you're being unappealing to my ears ON PURPOSE
06:28:29 <ehird> pretentious asswipes!
06:29:17 <pikhq> IT ALL WENT WRONG WHEN THAT DAMNED FOOL THRUG STARTED USING "NOTES" INSTEAD OF BEATING STICK ON STICK.
06:29:42 <madbrain> well, there's a difference between being original, and being totally disconnected from what is good or bad
06:29:58 <madbrain> and having no idea what you're doing
06:30:04 <pikhq> And what that difference is one of the single most subjective things in music.
06:30:31 <ehird> having no idea what you're doing
06:30:34 <Rugxulo> ,,,"."+*68*2%5.+*84/5:_5/84*+.,@
06:30:39 <ehird> your ego is massively inflated
06:30:49 <ehird> first you implied that you can compose better than avant garde composers
06:30:55 <ehird> and now you're saying none of them have any idea what they're doing
06:30:57 <Rugxulo> ,,,"."+*68*2%5.+*84/5:_5/84*+.,@
06:31:08 <ehird> you do realise why that's failing, right?
06:31:24 <ehird> `befunge http://url
06:32:46 <Rugxulo> sorry, never mind, continue
06:34:13 <ehird> does anybody actually use key repeating?
06:34:37 <madbrain> helps a lot with the ergonomy of some software
06:35:28 <madbrain> Well, I can think of Impulse Tracker in particular
06:35:56 <madbrain> Basically keyboard based software with lots of arrow navigation
06:36:22 <madbrain> I like maximum rate minimum delay
06:36:33 <ehird> I never use it when typing normally, at least.
06:36:40 <ehird> I mean, disregarding bad software.
06:37:18 <madbrain> Dunno, holding down pgup/pgdn is practical and useful
06:37:26 <ehird> For giving you a headache.
06:37:39 <Rugxulo> `bf ++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>+.+++.+.+++++++++.--------------. sux0rz
06:37:51 <Rugxulo> !bf ++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>+.+++.+.+++++++++.--------------. sux0rz
06:37:51 <ehird> Learn. Your. Bots.
06:38:14 <ehird> how was that even a joke ;|
06:38:51 <Rugxulo> dunno, maybe I should call it "art", j00 k10z3-m1nd3d f00l!
06:39:21 <ehird> i note that all of the "blaaaaaa modern art isn't art" people cannot ever give a satisfactory definition of art
06:39:53 <madbrain> who cares about the definition of art
06:41:14 <ehird> i doubt you'd define avant garde composers' work as art.
06:41:21 <ehird> so clearly you care
06:41:53 <Rugxulo> !bf +++++++[>+++++++<-]>+++.--. the meaning of life
06:42:13 <ehird> i want to make like 50 avant garde compositions nnow just so you can weep about how i've closed so many avenues for new music
06:42:25 <ehird> because, you know, those avenues are scarce!
06:42:40 <ehird> Rugxulo: no, the answer to life, the universe and everything
06:42:45 <ehird> not the meaning of life
06:42:48 <pikhq> It's not like there's more possible songs than there are atoms in the universe or anything!
06:43:56 <ehird> You mean infinity is greater than ~2^80?
06:44:00 <ehird> <italics>shocked</italics>
06:44:01 <Rugxulo> madbrain, you still use IT??
06:44:05 <ehird> we need colours in here :(((
06:44:35 <madbrain> rugxulo: I haven't kicked the habit yet
06:45:07 <ehird> wake up and smell the dosbo
06:45:37 * Rugxulo has it214v5.zip from Sep. 2004, assumes that's the latest
06:45:58 <madbrain> rugxulo: I keep an old PC to run it
06:46:25 <Rugxulo> I don't blame you, just a little surprised
06:46:35 <ehird> personally i find tracker-style interfaces crazy
06:47:02 <ehird> [[The software was distributed as freeware, though for a fee the author supplies extra features, such as support for WAV output and IPX networks. After the stereo WAV writer plugin was publicly pirated,[citation needed] the original author announced that he would discontinue development after version 2.14.]]
06:47:10 <ehird> oh so very butthurt
06:47:22 <Rugxulo> I'm sure he had other reasons too
06:47:49 <coppro> draft = MTGO beta draft
06:48:10 <ehird> you make no sense to me
06:48:11 <Rugxulo> actually, the only part updated since 1999 (apparently) is KEYBOARD.ZIP, everything else is old
06:48:22 <coppro> ehird: Jupiter is a piece of music
06:48:34 <ehird> it's just, you know
06:48:38 <ehird> you expressing your love for a planet
06:48:46 <ehird> was kinda incomprehensible?
06:48:49 <ehird> Rugxulo: last release was 1999, says wp
06:51:20 <madbrain> but yeah, Trackers tend to be kinda hexadecimal and stuff like that, but they're not bad on the musical expression side
06:51:44 <madbrain> And they're good for rapidly composing music
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06:53:05 <Rugxulo> madbrain, what soundcard does your "vintage" PC have?
06:54:14 <Rugxulo> I assume you've also heard of Adlib Tracker II, Dr. Track, etc.
06:54:44 <madbrain> Yeah I've done some nice music on adlib tracker II
06:55:01 <madbrain> Mostly trying to exploit that crazy 4 operator mode
06:55:20 <ehird> coppro: did you receive the video?
06:56:19 <coppro> hey, it's actually progressing at a reasonable rate
06:56:24 <coppro> that's like... impossible
06:56:33 <ehird> I've never seen upload speeds this good...
06:56:48 <ehird> coppro: what's your downstream?
06:57:07 <madbrain> rugxulo: do you have any songs?
06:57:19 <Rugxulo> that I wrote? nothing good, no
06:57:41 <ehird> 60KiB/s upload on an ADSL connection
06:57:44 * Rugxulo can't remember the Linux IT clone's name
06:57:51 <ehird> coppro: what's your connection, what's its speed
06:58:16 <coppro> DSL I think, and a pretty good connection
06:58:24 <coppro> but this is Canada, the land of Don't Get What You Pay For
06:58:49 <ehird> i'm on an 8Mb/somethingMb plan
06:58:59 <ehird> soon should be 24Mb/2.5Mb
06:59:23 <madbrain> canada isn't great for mobile phones or fast internet, no
06:59:29 <ehird> coppro: so, theoretically, I could send this at 320KiB/s soon :-P
06:59:34 <madbrain> has other comparative advantages
06:59:37 <ehird> huge emphasis on theoretically...
07:00:11 <ehird> "1,000,000 players in a year's time self-organising a tournament of Fortress to be held in one day, the champion team winning THE CUP and £16,000 per player, with post-dated funding of server admin, programming-developers, and game-designers."
07:00:21 <ehird> 16,000 * 1 million
07:00:37 <ehird> = the winner wins £16,000,000,000
07:01:01 <coppro> you sent two requests. the abort message was the other one
07:01:11 <ehird> i didn't do a thingg
07:01:18 <ehird> colloquy handled it all for me
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07:13:14 <madbrain> are the violins in the holst/the planets/mars intro playing col legno?
07:24:08 <Deewiant> fizzie: Re. does the compiler course still target Sparc: no, it targets an apparently custom stack machine called SLX (http://ace.cs.hut.fi/T-106.4200/project/guide-to-slx.html)
07:24:20 <Deewiant> (I forgot to respond before going to bed, apparently)
07:30:07 <ehird> personally i think that retards
07:36:11 <augur> http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Media/Mars.mp3 << my personal favorite rendition of the piece
07:43:26 <fizzie> Deewiant: Oh, that's a shame; I liked the Sparc parts. (Though there weren't really much of those, a sort of "runtime library" was already provided by the course people.)
07:44:41 <coppro> such speed belongs to Jupiter
07:45:19 <augur> i like it for mars
07:45:21 <fizzie> ehird: And fungot didn't "crash", I just still don't have a power supply for the box it should be running on, and don't feel like doing any temporary arrangements, since all the babbling models and such are only on that one disk.
07:45:24 <augur> its not even terribly fast
07:46:19 <madbrain> haha the speed up on the second crescendo :D
07:54:10 <augur> i really wish i had a tv show about space and big wars and so forth
07:54:22 <augur> i would really love to use holst's mars in such a thing
07:54:37 <coppro> it's been used in Mario games
07:54:47 <augur> i refuse to accept this.
07:55:57 <madbrain> It appears (in midi) in a level of commander keen 5
07:57:12 <coppro> it sounds really awesome in Galaxy
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07:58:26 <Ilari> MIDI? Does Commander Keen 5 use MIDI? I thought it used OPL for music...
07:59:27 <madbrain> well, yeah it plays on opl2, but I think the data it plays is MIDI
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08:00:26 <Ilari> Probably converted. Playing MIDI with OPL2 would probably be too complicated for game...
08:01:23 <madbrain> midi isn't that complicated and they probably just licensed a playing engine from someone no?
08:02:10 <Ilari> Soundblaster fun: There are early and late versions of Soundblaster Pro. The first versions implemented stereo music by having dual OPL2s, one wired to left channel and one to right. The later models had one OPL3...
08:02:45 <madbrain> I wonder which models are more common
08:03:07 <Ilari> I think the ones with OPL3...
08:04:23 <Ilari> And its much easier to play music using OPL when data is already suitable for it and not having to parse MIDI.
08:05:24 <madbrain> Hm it's true that you could pre-compute the register writes
08:05:36 <madbrain> I think the file size would go up though
08:06:04 <Ilari> No real need to have raw register writes, just something very close to how OPL does things...
08:07:38 <madbrain> It might be something like cmf (.mid but with opl2 patches built in)
08:09:58 <madbrain> Or other similar rare formats such as ".rol", whatever that is
08:09:59 <Ilari> Even if filesize would be larger, I don't think it would be that critical. And besides, OPL sound data is nowhere near full PCM data in size...
08:11:07 <Deewiant> Yep, IMF: http://www.vgmpf.com/Game.php?Id=CommanderKeen5-DOS
08:14:58 <madbrain> well, yeah, compared to formats with pcm it's light
08:15:26 <madbrain> Although complicated .mids (like, virt-complicated) can grow to 100k just from the note data
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08:18:03 <Ilari> PCM size depends on parameters used. But CD-quality is ~10.6MB/min and to even get decent sound, one needs ~2MB/min.
08:18:45 <madbrain> which they only really started to use when they had games on CDs so that they had the space
08:19:42 <Ilari> Yeah, there are lossless packing formats that can squeeze it few times and lossy formats that can pack them a lot. But those require computer power to decode (at least Pentium-class).
08:20:19 <madbrain> it's better to use ADPCM, which afaik a lot of psx games did
08:20:36 <Ilari> CD-ROMs can also have music tracks. E.g. Quake 2 CD had music as ordinary CD music tracks (the CD had 11 tracks, track #1 was data, the rest where music).
08:21:55 <madbrain> There's always the intermediary format where you use samples as instruments and add in music data
08:23:08 <coppro> yeah, I've seen that before
08:23:32 <madbrain> (see: snes, psx games with sequenced music, some PC games, NDS games, etc)
08:25:37 <Ilari> .STM, .S3M, .IT, .MOD, .XM, etc?
08:25:58 <madbrain> and the equivalent .mid + .dls
08:26:54 <Ilari> Darn that I can't find Screamtracker 2 prerelease demo anywhere. Had some songs...
08:27:11 <madbrain> somebody actually used scream tracker 2? :D
08:27:38 <Ilari> Never used scream tracker 2, but used the prerelease demo...
08:29:44 <madbrain> deewiant: I've only seen a few of those. They're rather outnumbered by .s3ms
08:30:26 <Deewiant> Evidently 42 in the mod archive
08:31:21 <Ilari> Whee.. Found rotate.stm. Now I need Screamtracker 3 to try to load and resave it into something that SDL_Mixer can actually play...
08:31:49 <Deewiant> Why do you need to play it with SDL_Mixer :-P
08:33:44 <madbrain> almost all of that kind of music is mod/s3m/xm/it
08:34:54 <madbrain> Except a couple of .MTMs by kenny chou (which convert easily to s3m or at least xm)
08:35:05 <Deewiant> But a lot of stuff is called .mod without being from protracker
08:36:31 <Deewiant> For other rare ones, there's .ahx, .med, .669, .hvl
08:37:13 <Ilari> The standard issue music player I use uses SDL_Mixer (statically linked!)
08:38:45 <madbrain> mo3 is mod/s3m/xm/it with samples compressed as mp3
08:40:07 <madbrain> afaik it's proprietary to one of the playback libraries and hasn't really caught on too much
08:52:11 <Ilari> Isn't the name of audio codec Oggs usually use Vorbis?
08:53:34 <Ilari> The usual video codec is Theora, but ocassionally one might run into Snow or Dirac as well..
08:55:44 <Ilari> And regarding Dirac. SW Encoders seem to be crap and decoding seems very CPU-heavy.
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08:56:53 <Ilari> And Snow doesn't even have stable bitstream yet.
08:59:21 <madbrain> what happened to the mpeg 7 (or was it 4?) audio thing... the one that was supposed to do synthesis and stuff?
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09:06:00 <fizzie> Deewiant: Did you count the .it's too?
09:06:32 <Ilari> CPU-heavy => decoding 1080p/30 Dirac realtime requires pretty much all the CPU power (all cores) of current high-end PC.
09:07:28 <Ilari> (and that's with quad-core)...
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09:09:13 <madbrain> ilari: yeah, that's probably too cpu heavy
09:12:26 <fizzie> Not related, but: good that I didn't release that rfk86-with-compression code; I just did some trivial optimizations to the single-bit reading, and got the innermost part from 28 bytes (109..136 cycles) to 16 bytes (73..107 cycles), and the multi-bit loop above that from 8 bytes (36..37 cycles) to 4 bytes (21 cycles).
09:12:31 <Ilari> Fractal distribution?
09:25:12 <AnMaster> Deewiant, fizzie: trying to compress music?
09:25:40 <fizzie> No; I did say "not related" there.
09:26:03 <fizzie> I don't really know what the music discussion was about, wasn't here when it started and I don't really bother with logreading.
09:29:38 <madbrain> is anyone interested in physical modeling synthesis?
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10:09:09 <ehird> i think i have cronic laziness
10:10:49 <ehird> also chronic dropping keys
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10:13:58 <ehird> like, it took me three minutes just to open a terminal and cd Cod
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10:29:11 <ehird> you know what suck? licenses
10:29:15 <ehird> what sucks, i guess
10:31:19 <ehird> http://cr.yp.to/patents/tarzian.html
10:34:21 <ehird> " As you are probably aware, raisins and bran have different densities.
10:34:21 <ehird> Vigorous shaking of a box of raisin bran, such as the shaking that
10:34:21 <ehird> happens naturally during a truck shipment, will eventually separate the
10:34:22 <ehird> raisins from the bran, to the annoyance of the eventual raisin-bran
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10:42:06 <ehird> Has anyone made a table of all the printable ASCII x86 instructions? Alphabetical? Alphanumerical?
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10:45:42 <fizzie> I've just seen some ordered-by-opcode tables, which I guess could be used to find printable opcodes reasonably easily; I haven't seen anything that would list in an easy-to-read format what sort of operand encodings are possible, though.
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10:47:16 <fizzie> http://ref.x86asm.net/coder.html is probably the most comprehensive ordered-by-opcode table I've seen.
10:48:55 <fizzie> For actual printable-x86 coding, a ordered-by-mnemonic list of the valid regions would be a lot friendlier, of course.
10:49:35 <fizzie> Maybe you should write a script (or better yet, an XSLT stylesheet!) that transforms http://ref.x86asm.net/x86reference.xml into such a table.
10:50:38 <ehird> well i lied when i said tables, i hate tables
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12:59:43 <ehird> http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_87key&pid=fkbn87mcnpek I like how there's an outdent on the Windows key. no wait, it's retarded
13:11:01 <Deewiant> I almost never use that key since it's in such an awkward position anyway
13:11:30 <ehird> Deewiant: BTW, you said the zero series filcos were dodgy; why?
13:12:03 <ehird> Although I don't really care; if I can replace that Windows key (looks like the other modifiers are of equal size, so...) this thing is practically bought.
13:12:04 <Deewiant> Y'know, the key cchattering business.
13:12:45 <Deewiant> That was an authentic chatter, too :-P
13:13:13 <ehird> Listening to some YouTube videos (you know, those incredibly accurate indicators of typing noise) it seems like the Majestouches go clack or cluck instead of click like, say, the Das Keyboard. (Hard to express, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9C7sNHjiAo for an example)
13:13:22 <ehird> Which is nice, because I hate the high-pitched clicks my Model M makes.
13:14:19 <ehird> Videos of the actual model in question:
13:14:20 <ehird> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWn2N4kYHqk#t=1m15s
13:14:23 <Deewiant> All the blues I've heard sound different :-P
13:14:30 <ehird> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zLzB3wHFh0
13:14:45 <ehird> Sure, it's more clicky there, but still fine and besides, that can be chalked up to recording differences.
13:15:02 <ehird> Either way, the sound is perfectly cromulent.
13:15:13 <Deewiant> The previous link sounds like a blue, the one before that doesn't.
13:15:30 <ehird> There are three links; clarirfy.
13:15:39 <ehird> Talk about chattering!
13:15:49 <Deewiant> You think that'sss chattering? No, thhihsi iis scchatterinngn
13:15:55 <ehird> Wow your keyboard sucks.
13:15:57 <ehird> Anyway, the latter two links are of the exact same model, so I know for a fact
13:16:05 <ehird> Anyway, the latter two links are of the exact same model, so I know for a fact that any differences are due to recording
13:16:24 <ehird> And they're similar enough to the first, accounting for the fact that the first is ubercompressed and appears to have been recorded shoddierly than the latter tow
13:16:47 <Deewiant> I'm missing the high-pitched click in the first
13:16:47 <ehird> I picked the first to demonstrate the general "cluck" sound deliberately, since it's more pronounced there, so as to contrast with the common "click".
13:16:53 <ehird> The first has none, that's the point.
13:16:59 <ehird> They all are the same switches.
13:17:11 <ehird> I'm saying that I prefer it to the Model M and the Das Keyboard, both of which click.
13:17:18 <ehird> Deewiant: Yes, source:
13:17:28 <ehird> ... DVD combo || Corsair 850 HX || M-Audio AV30 || Majestouch Tenkeyless Tactile Click "Otaku" -FKBN87MC/NPEK Cherry Blue Switch || logitech mx revolution ...
13:17:28 <ehird> www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1034181502 - Cached - Similar -
13:17:31 <ehird> http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6312
13:17:37 <ehird> but going from black to blue is almost like going from rubber dome to blacks for me.
13:17:47 <ehird> http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_87key&pid=fkbn87mcnpek
13:17:54 <ehird> Which I guess is, uh, rather more authoritative a souce
13:18:20 <ehird> Anyway, there's no imported models or whathoo, so I guess I'll have to dive into the Japanternets to find one.
13:18:23 <Deewiant> Weird. I'll chalk it up to the recording; every blue I've heard sounds like the latter two.
13:18:45 <ehird> As I said: I realise that's why it sounds like that.
13:18:54 <Deewiant> ehird: http://www.keyboardco.com/ doesn't have any?
13:18:58 <ehird> However, the first is SIMILAR to the latter two; vastly moreso than their similarity to the clicky type.
13:19:03 <ehird> So I used it to demonstrate the cluck sound.
13:19:28 <ehird> returned no results
13:19:51 <Deewiant> Oh right, tenkeyless blue cherries
13:19:54 <ehird> Not in their product list, either.
13:20:05 <Deewiant> elitekeyboards.com or whatever
13:20:09 <ehird> Yes, they have no models
13:20:27 <ehird> They don't even exist? Physically?
13:20:29 <Deewiant> It was special-ordered by them.
13:20:32 <ehird> Anyway, it's possible that the first video, being a different model (but still Majestouch), uses different switches.
13:20:40 <ehird> Deewiant: Special-ordered == limited edition?
13:20:53 <Deewiant> Something like that. Only elitekeyboards.com has ever had them.
13:21:04 <ehird> I mean, now that they're out of stock, will they ever be brought back?
13:21:13 <ehird> "NO STOCK. Preorder available soon."
13:21:14 <Deewiant> Probably, since I think there's high demand
13:21:25 <Deewiant> I'd get one if there were a 91-key model
13:21:26 <ehird> I wonder if hovering money in their faces would help. :P
13:21:34 <ehird> Deewiant: And I'm glad their isn't! HA!
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13:21:56 <ehird> A view into my OCD-filled mind: I am so tempted to get rid of those labels on the two LEDs and the FILCO logo.
13:22:02 <ehird> I want my completely black keyboard, dammit.
13:22:20 <Deewiant> ehird: The first video is browns according to the title
13:22:31 <ehird> Rightyho, I can't read moon language
13:22:35 <ehird> What's browns? Tactile but non-clicky?
13:22:54 <ehird> Yeah. Doesn't matter, anyway.
13:23:06 <ehird> I'd classify the first link as cluck, the latter two as clack, and Model M/Das Keyboards as click.
13:23:25 <Deewiant> I'd want clicky for the fun factor but the Zs ssuscckc ass, so.
13:24:02 <ehird> Deewiant: I'd be interested to hear whether the non-clickiness impairs typing or the tactile feel (psychologically).
13:24:25 <Deewiant> Well, the switches are different in more ways than clickiness
13:24:35 <ehird> Anyway, only the tactile clicks are available in Otaku (hate that name btw) so I'm not really tempted to get one of the other models./
13:24:51 <ehird> I *could* buy one of the non-Otakus and get Otaku keycaps, but really now.
13:25:04 <ehird> (I'll have to get at least one keycap to remove that awful bump.)
13:25:22 <Deewiant> Otaku = no text on the caps? Didn't see those at diatec.co.jp
13:26:14 <ehird> Yeah. I guess it's only the socially inept nerds with a fondness for Japanese culture that like blank keycaps.
13:26:17 <Deewiant> I wouldn't worry about the bump until after you've tried it
13:26:30 <ehird> Okay, come to think of it, I'm going to shut up; that's too close to a description of me for comfort.
13:26:35 <Deewiant> Like said, I've remapped my keys so I hardly even use it.
13:26:41 <ehird> Deewiant: I used another keyboard with the bump and it made me RAGE
13:27:09 <Deewiant> ehird: Yessssss but that's not this keyboard
13:27:09 <ehird> Deewiant has found his inner snake-nature.
13:27:12 <ehird> Deewiant: The bump on this one is even taller.
13:27:17 <Deewiant> I meant to put only 3 or so but it ccchatttered
13:27:20 <ehird> It'll be like a pregnant key.
13:27:28 <Deewiant> And I didn't care enough to backspace
13:27:42 <ehird> If I hit it a lot, maybe that'll be like giving it a key abortion
13:27:47 <ehird> As it flattens out; think jwz-style.
13:27:47 <Deewiant> Anyway, I think you're more likely to be annoyed by the key's position than its bump
13:28:03 <ehird> Well, for instance, that key is useful in OS X to type special characters.
13:28:17 <ehird> Also as the most common extra modifier key along with command.
13:28:38 <Deewiant> Repeat after me: WHAT THE KEYCAP SAYS MATTERS NOT
13:29:18 <ehird> It is a physical bump
13:29:25 <ehird> On a key with the shape of a modifier key
13:29:29 <ehird> I could only sacrifice another modifier key for it
13:29:43 <ehird> I guess I could swap one with the Menu key, but that still leaves one pregnant key.
13:30:01 <ehird> Anyway, the keycap doesn't say shit, you know, being blank and all.
13:30:27 <ehird> (I don't really care about the coolness factor but you *can* feel the label if you rub them slightly and they rub off anyway so might as well get it without, seeing as I don't need them.)
13:30:37 <ehird> (And, well, okay, I do care a little bit about the coolness factor.)
13:31:31 <Deewiant> Of course the bump won't go away
13:31:41 <ehird> Yes, well, that's an Issue.
13:31:46 <Deewiant> My point is that if you put something like the Menu key on it it won't matter.
13:31:59 <ehird> Deewiant: Yes, but there are two keys with the bump, and only one menu key, you see.
13:32:02 <Deewiant> Unless you obsessively stare at your keyboard while on the computer, seeking any manner of blemish?
13:32:10 <ehird> And it's the shape of a modifier key, you see.
13:32:18 <ehird> So there isn't really anything I could do about the other bumpy key. You see.
13:32:23 <Deewiant> Oh, ha, that's not an issue with the 91-key version.
13:32:35 <ehird> Yes, well, your mother isn't an issue with the 91-key version.
13:33:46 <Deewiant> Too bad my mom is an issue with your 87-key
13:33:50 <ehird> The pregnant key represents YOUR PREGNANT MOTHER
13:33:59 <ehird> And it is an ISSUE
13:34:24 <ehird> Meanwhile, a cat video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSMCRD35ch4
13:39:01 <ehird> Has anyone made a keyboard capable of pressing every key at once successfully?
13:40:23 <ehird> Just press every key at once, dammit.
13:40:45 <Deewiant> I lack the required amount of fingers :-P
13:40:53 <ehird> Use something to press them down.
13:41:33 <Deewiant> I don't wanna press ctrl+alt+del
13:41:42 <ehird> Test it on non-Windows
13:41:50 <ehird> With Ctrl+Alt+Backspace disabled
13:42:11 <Deewiant> I'm not on windows, I don't wanna mess with settings just for this.
13:42:34 <ehird> You'd need to write a program to tell whether you've hit all of them anyway
13:42:44 <ehird> Besides, Ubuntu ships that way by default. :P
13:43:43 <Deewiant> Anyhoo, arbitrary letters work well enough.
13:45:18 <fizzie> I seem to remember that the TI-86 keyboard is pretty jam-free. (There's a key matrix, but it's scanned by software; you just write a bitmask of which rows you want to fire electricity into to port 6, then wait a couple of nops and read from port 6 back out a bitmap of which keys were pressed on those rows, all or'd together; there's no keyboard controller to turn it into keycodes that would mess it up.)
13:45:54 <ehird> I wish elitekeyboards would tell you how much a keyboard cost while it was in stock.
13:46:15 <ehird> http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?pid=fkbn104mcnpek_special
13:46:19 <ehird> I guess roughly $129.
13:46:27 <ehird> "Special Edition", "Special Limited Edition".
13:46:36 <ehird> I'm thinkin': like fuck is the other one gonna be back iin stock.
13:46:43 <ehird> Whereby like fuck means not
13:46:55 <ehird> Topre keyboards utilize silkly-smooth Topre Capacitive switch technology for the ultimate typing experience.
13:47:02 <ehird> I wonder what capitative switches are like
13:47:25 <ehird> http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se1700
13:47:45 <ehird> Topre capacitive key switches are a patented hybrid between a mechanical spring based switch, a rubber dome switch, and a capacitive sensor
13:47:49 <ehird> why is this abomination.
13:48:36 <ehird> http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_87key&pid=fkbn87mceb the non-otaku version is limited edition too\
13:48:44 <ehird> i guess preorder available soon is yay.
13:48:58 <ehird> so is http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_87key&pid=fkbn87meb the one you're getting in 91 key
13:49:30 <ehird> I wonder why nobody is a mouse geek, like there are keyboard geeks :P
13:51:03 <ehird> why aren't all wireless mice bluetooth
13:53:35 <ehird> has anyone used a fancy mousemat
13:53:39 <ehird> like those glass ones
13:53:46 <ehird> or those weird textured ones
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13:54:33 <ehird> what kind, is it any good
13:54:48 <Deewiant> Steelseries something or other
13:55:00 <Ilari> Modern microcontroller could control similar process in real keyboard. But that would take few dollars of extra components... :-/
13:55:03 <Deewiant> It's better than the crap cloth ones I used to use :-P
13:55:09 <Ilari> *few dollars worth
13:55:11 <ehird> Deewiant: But isn't it, like, slippery?
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13:55:22 <ehird> I mean, you'd think some friction would be good.
13:55:44 <ehird> True, but it's still glass.
13:55:53 <ehird> I mean, it's still really smooth.
13:56:09 <ehird> Or... the pictures look quite grainy.
13:56:44 <ehird> Like, presumably it isn't the kind of glass in glasses and window panes.
13:56:49 <ehird> Because the pictures look too grainy for that.
13:56:54 <Deewiant> If there's crap on it I wipe or scratch it off
13:57:16 <ehird> that was a joke right
13:57:22 <ehird> I mean how is the glass' texture
13:57:35 <ehird> Apparently they're "frosted glass", but that's rather vague
13:57:35 <Deewiant> It was an intentional misunderstanding of "treated", yes
13:57:47 <ehird> Specifications for SteelSeries Experience I-2:
13:57:48 <ehird> - Surface treatment: Trade secret
13:57:55 <ehird> Fuck you, steelseries.com
13:58:26 <ehird> Well, what's the feel of it? I mean, I'm not asking a hard question here. Running your finger over, is it silky smooth, like sandpaper or what :P
13:58:43 <ehird> Then howforth is it becometh frosted
13:58:52 <ehird> THESE QUESTIONS ARE IMPORTANT TO SOCIETY
13:59:16 <Deewiant> I don't know anything about glass.
13:59:27 <Deewiant> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frosted_glass
13:59:29 <ehird> Also you don't have a sense of touch. Aight then
13:59:38 <Deewiant> I said it's smooth, what else do you want
13:59:51 <ehird> Okay, so it's regular glass smooth, the frosting is just so it's not transparent.
14:00:01 <Deewiant> Barring any accumulated dirt and shit it's completely smooth
14:00:20 <ehird> Ehh, this conversation is less productive than the $39.99 it costs :-P
14:00:29 <ehird> It's just that they have so many, strikes indecision in a person and whatnot.
14:00:41 <ehird> Aa! You scared me.
14:00:43 <Deewiant> Find a place where you can try 'em
14:00:47 <ais523> I'm getting a flood of 419s, and legitimate emails disguised as 419s
14:00:50 <ehird> Deewiant: In... the UK?
14:00:53 <ais523> by using similar subject lines
14:01:00 <Deewiant> ehird: Hey, I found one in /Finland/.
14:01:09 <ehird> Deewiant: Finland, the home of Assembly.
14:01:20 <ais523> what's this debate about?
14:01:20 <ehird> Britain, the home of RAIN AND BAD FOOD.
14:01:27 <ehird> ais523: We're not debating, actually!
14:01:30 <ehird> A refreshing change.
14:01:38 <ehird> ais523: Expensive mouse pads.
14:01:39 <ais523> actually, I rather like rain
14:01:56 <ehird> Specifically, $39.99 10" x 12" mouse pads made out of ice.
14:01:57 <oklokok> rain is the best possible weather
14:02:05 <ehird> Although ice WOULD be cooler.
14:02:06 <Deewiant> ehird: Finland, where computer-parts are 10x more unpossible to find than in the UK.
14:02:15 <ais523> an ice mouse pad would need some sort of refrigeration
14:02:33 <ehird> ais523: Just use the phase change coolers all the overclockers use
14:02:46 <ehird> Hook a CPU up to it, hook a mousemat up to it. Brr!
14:02:47 <ais523> ehird: heh, you could use a saltwater-ice phase change cooler
14:02:53 <ais523> to cool your water-ice mousepad
14:03:05 <Deewiant> Can't think of any in the UK tho.
14:03:07 <ehird> even seen a picture of a CPU hooked up to a phase changer cooler?
14:03:39 <ehird> basically, imagine a large refridgerator unit, a really thick cable going into a computer case, which then ends up in a huge block of metal
14:03:53 <ehird> the juxtaposition of crazy refrigeration equipment / motherboard is fun
14:04:11 <ehird> http://gomeler.com/pic/Articles/Vapor%20Phase%20Change%20Cooling/finishedunit.jpg
14:04:50 <ehird> http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/282/compressor.jpg Cryopreservation equipment or computer cooler? You decide
14:06:05 <ehird> It cools both Eliezer Yudkowsky's corpse and his über-rad overclocked i7 rig for when he reawakens in thousands of years.
14:06:32 <ais523> yes, but when that happens, his computer will almost certainly be obsolete
14:06:53 <ehird> He'll just overclock it to 1,000 GHz or something using their new cooling systems.
14:07:24 <ehird> Powered by a Dyson Sphere circling around a cold star!
14:07:32 <ehird> It's like a star, but really cold.
14:07:46 <Deewiant> Never upgrade your CPU, only the cooler, and overclock it
14:08:14 <ehird> I'm currently running a tricked-out 8086
14:09:12 <ehird> Anyway, I use felt mouse pads because the plastic ones scratch optical mice :(
14:09:26 <ehird> Glass + laser mouse should be pretty rad.
14:09:39 <Deewiant> I wonder if, say, a 5GHz 80386, could hold a candle to today's CPUs
14:10:05 <ehird> As far as serial processing goes, that is.
14:10:24 <Deewiant> Lacking pipelines, caches, all that shit?
14:10:38 <ehird> 5 ghz can surely compete with an Atom.
14:10:46 <fizzie> Just add more gigahertzies.
14:10:49 <ehird> And an Atom ain't nothin' to be sniffed at.
14:10:58 <ehird> Anyway, let's stop rambling and DO THIS SHIT.
14:11:04 <ehird> Anyone have a phase change cooler?
14:11:06 <fizzie> Though I am not so sure you can get a 5 GHz 80386 no matter how cold you make it.
14:11:16 <Deewiant> I am quite sure that it is impossible.
14:12:05 <fizzie> You could petition Intel to do a 5 GHz 80386 clone, though.
14:12:32 <ehird> O-kayyyy, so it seems like the only way to get an MX Revolution is by buying a combo-pack of it and a shitty keyboard.
14:12:44 <ehird> I wonder if they just forgot to discontinue the latter or something.
14:13:07 <Deewiant> ehird: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_rate#Limits
14:13:43 <ehird> you are a horrible person :(
14:13:56 <fizzie> "Logitech MX Revolution Cordless", 74 eur from the local e-retailer with no keyboards attached.
14:14:24 <ehird> Yes, but it's not actually on their official site, I mean.
14:14:31 <ehird> Anyhow, is that Bluetooth?
14:14:41 <ehird> It didn't use to be Bluetooth.
14:14:55 <fizzie> It doesn't look like it's Bluetooth now either; at least according to the retailer's description.
14:15:11 <fizzie> "Full-Speed USB connection for the receiver" is listed there.
14:15:16 <ehird> Is in http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard_mice_combos/devices/3481&cl=us,en
14:15:26 <ehird> YOUR RETAILER IS SELLING OUTDATED COMMIE GOODS
14:15:57 <fizzie> There's a "product information" link to some logitech.com URL that is dead now.
14:16:18 <ehird> Very queer; it *is* awfully popular.
14:18:53 <fizzie> I used to have a.. uh, I think it was called "MX 510"; when I went to replace it (since it had started to do automatical double-clicking) it had also disappeared, and the closest thing seemed to be a MX 518 "gaming mouse".
14:19:27 <fizzie> Couldn't make myself buy anything that said "gaming" so openly, had to get a MX400 or something, which was decidedly inferior.
14:19:54 <ehird> the MX Revolution has like 70 buttons, lets youua charge yah lazer, and lets you make the scrollwheel slide instead of click
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14:20:02 <ehird> also it has that freaky contour thing
14:20:04 <ehird> it seems pretty neato.
14:20:37 <fizzie> They're still selling the MX518 gaming thing, it seems.
14:21:00 <fizzie> That G9x looks pretty silly.
14:21:21 <fizzie> Every movement registers accurately thanks to the next-generation gaming laser.*"
14:21:26 <fizzie> Ooh, there's a gaming laser in it.
14:21:53 <fizzie> Maybe you can use it to shoot at people.
14:23:50 <Deewiant> But then, I have nothing against gaming and even use it for gaming.
14:23:52 <fizzie> Deewiant: It looks not terribly different from the MX510 -- http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/4259&cl=us,en vs. http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Performance-Optical-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B0001YGIB0
14:24:05 <fizzie> And apparently the MX510 has been retroactively branded as a "gaming mouse" too.
14:25:10 <fizzie> They (Logitech) don't seem to be doing very many corded models nowadays.
14:27:09 <Deewiant> I think the difference is pretty much just in the DPI
14:30:10 <fizzie> What's this "Logitech® Darkfield Laser Tracking™"? It sounds very sci-fi.
14:38:58 <Gregor> I read that as "darkified"
14:39:41 <oklokok> i read your "darkified" as "dork friend"
14:40:14 <oklokok> chuckled mentally after realizing it was a double misread
14:40:22 <Gregor> I read your "dork friend" as "dork fried"
14:40:34 <Gregor> OK, I didn't, but I thought this misread-fest needed another layer :P
14:40:34 <oklokok> he's lying someone tell him it's bad
14:40:58 <oklokok> well misreading is great fun
14:41:16 <oerjan> Gregor: lying is bad for you, it'll cause your teeth to fall out!
14:41:24 <Gregor> But I like my teeth D-8
14:41:42 <Gregor> But I also like lying!
14:41:48 <Gregor> I may like lying more than my teeth!
14:42:07 <oerjan> you cannot have your cake and eat it. at least not without teeth.
14:42:52 <oklokok> AnMaster: i'm eating garlic favored food, high five!
14:43:05 <oklokok> oerjan: were you setting us up for that?
14:43:09 <oerjan> oklokok: from a safe distance
14:43:18 <oerjan> wait, that was for the garlic
14:43:51 <oerjan> and no, the last pun was just a lucky opportunity
14:44:12 <oklokok> i almost want to give the dog some g, she once ate a piece of onion, then tried to cough it out for about half an hour
14:44:26 <oerjan> you wicked, wicked man
14:44:30 <oklokok> dunno if garlic does something interesting too
14:44:44 <oklokok> well i'm not actually doing it, so i'm just once wicked
14:44:52 <oklokok> wicked, wicked is when you actually do it.
14:44:56 <oerjan> it turns dogs into vampires. or something like that.
14:50:27 <Gregor> I usually just pan-fry garlic in olive oil and eat it.
15:04:58 <ais523> hmm... why does Wikipedia not have an article on "over 9000"?
15:05:38 <ais523> how on earth am I meant to figure out what memes mean without Wikipedia's help?
15:05:49 <ais523> (I tried Google, but none of the search results are sites I'd feel comfortable visiting)
15:08:04 <oerjan> ais523: urban dictionary is safe enough afaik
15:08:18 <ais523> for me it's been rather patchy
15:08:19 <oerjan> i agree about encyclopedia dramatica though...
15:08:48 <oerjan> well i suppose if you cannot stand reading about sexual slang...
15:09:08 <ais523> oerjan: or would get in trouble for accessing it from a University connectoin
15:10:11 <Gregor> Asexuality: Where our motto is, "We don't need no fuckin' slang"
15:10:45 <oerjan> ais523: either you are paranoid, or you need to start a revolution. take your pick.
15:13:34 <oerjan> knowyourmeme.com seems useful
15:13:38 <oklokok> urbandictionary is horrible
15:13:50 <oerjan> well yeah lots of fake entries
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15:14:35 <oklokok> well first of all there are pretty much no decent entries
15:14:54 <Gregor> Nobody received this, but I said:
15:14:56 <Gregor> Asexuality: Where our motto is, "We don't need no fuckin' slang"
15:15:06 <oklokok> but it's funnier the second time
15:15:19 <oklokok> no, it's so massively complex
15:15:37 <oerjan> it implodes in a black hole. thus the disconnect.
15:19:37 <fizzie> So, "let me get into my calculator"?
15:20:26 <oerjan> no. it doesn't have enough memory for uploading anyway.
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15:36:37 <AnMaster> <oklokok> AnMaster: i'm eating garlic favored food, high five! <-- yay
15:37:23 <AnMaster> (I assume that was supposed to be "flavoured")
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16:01:32 <AnMaster> fizzie, btw why did you port that game?
16:02:33 <AnMaster> fizzie, and what about TI-83+? Could you port it to that too?
16:03:30 <Deewiant> TI-83+ was already done, wasn't it?
16:04:31 <ais523> what is robotfindskitten, btw?
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16:05:45 <Deewiant> You wander around walking into things until you "find kitten". The value is in the amusing messages.
16:05:59 <ais523> so you're basically aiming for the same location as the kitten
16:06:05 <ais523> but you don't know where the kitten is
16:06:09 <Deewiant> (I hesitate to call it a game since you can't lose)
16:06:31 <ais523> you can't lose in many nomics, but they're considered games
16:07:10 <Deewiant> You can't really /do/ much either, AFAICT.
16:07:19 <AnMaster> Deewiant, you could make a highscore for number of moves needed?
16:07:28 <Deewiant> You could equally well read "less messages.txt".
16:07:57 <Deewiant> AnMaster: A random number generator, yay
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17:57:53 <fizzie> AnMaster: I ported it to the TI-86 because it was the only thing I had to which it had not yet been ported.
17:58:03 <fizzie> And a TI-83+/TI-84+ port exists already, yes.
17:58:09 <ais523> fizzie: port it to your microwave
18:00:35 <fizzie> Well, the only easily programmable thing. (I was going to say "the only thing that can easily run it", but I guess my camera, printer, and things like that should be quite able to run it, if their manufacturers just wouldn't have wanted to discourage reprogramming them so much.)
18:00:52 <Deewiant> Do toasters that run software actually exist?
18:01:08 <ais523> well, at least one doe
18:01:29 <Deewiant> Constructed specifically for that purpose? :-P
18:01:49 <fizzie> I have only seen custom-hardware-that-does-toast-thing; I don't think I've seen a commercial toaster that would've been programmable.
18:02:28 <ais523> http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php
18:02:31 <fizzie> They do those "burn a picture to your bread" toasters, one like that with a programmable heat element configuration would be nice.
18:03:41 <fizzie> "Well, we're definitely not planning on going into full production with this."
18:03:48 <AnMaster> fizzie, sucks if you prefer lightly toasted bread :P
18:04:13 <fizzie> Maybe some sort of food-colouring-dye inkjet printer, then.
18:04:55 <fizzie> Though that would probably saturate the "I found Jesus/Virgin Mary in my [insert a food item]" market.
18:07:46 <fizzie> Oh, and I may get a power supply for that web server laptop soon; today there was a "tried to deliver your mail today at X but couldn't fit an envelope in the mail slot, come pick it up from the post office tomorrow" note left here.
18:08:19 <ais523> apparently the oaster in question was slashdotted
18:08:31 <ais523> as in, the website describing the toaster actually runs on the toaster
18:08:40 <ais523> someone linked it on Slashdot, and the toaster couldn't cope
18:10:18 <fizzie> Yes, I remember that happening. "Sorry, you can't have toast today; the toaster is slashdotted."
18:12:53 <fizzie> It's a bit funny the way the computer e-tailer here truncates all large numbers to the text "over 25" in the availability details. "Over 25 units at the main warehouse, of which over 25 have been reserved. Over 25 free. On the shelf at the Helsinki store over 25 units, at the Pirkkala store over 25 units, and at the Oulu store over 25 units."
18:13:50 <fizzie> "Last received: over 25 units, Monday 5.10.2009."
18:14:17 <ais523> why did it not change the 2009?
18:15:46 <fizzie> Now that would be a good idea. "Out of stock: available October over 25, over 25."
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18:18:11 <AnMaster> or alternatively I guess the question: 'What is a "computer e-tailer"?' may work
18:20:12 <fizzie> Short for "e-retailer", a shop that peddles their wares mostly over the interwebs.
18:20:57 <fizzie> Though truthfully I have no way of knowing how much of their business happens over the web, and how much the physical brick-and-mortar stores count for. They used to have only one of those, but now they have three, so it can't be completely unprofitable.
18:21:08 <fizzie> I'd link, but I don't think they have anything in English.
18:25:33 <AnMaster> huh.... what the hell just happened
18:25:49 <AnMaster> for reference: My monitor is TFT with VGA connector only.
18:25:53 <fizzie> Which makes the company-info-page "Vi betjänar också på svenska! We offer service also in English! Обслуживаем на русском языке!" a bit lierrific, since it seems to be the only non-Finnish bit there.
18:26:05 <ais523> AnMaster: we need more context to know wtf just happened
18:26:10 <AnMaster> a second ago everything flickered like it needed that "auto" button to be pressed. Then went back to normal
18:26:31 <AnMaster> and never ever happened before afaik
18:26:46 <ais523> what was happening on the computer at the time?
18:27:14 <AnMaster> ais523, kpatience and IRC. konsole open in the background, nothing major going on as far as I can tell
18:27:52 <AnMaster> no cron jobs as far as I can tell by logs either
18:28:22 <fizzie> A cron job to interrupt the display signal momentarily sounds like a rather useless one.
18:28:43 <AnMaster> fizzie, yeah, but possibly something going on could have caused issues. Possibly
18:29:22 <AnMaster> Sometimes the auto tune goes slowly unfocused over time, but that tends to be gradual rather than sudden. And it doesn't tend to get back then. (you have to press auto on monitor)
18:30:03 <AnMaster> as a matter of fact, the gradual unfocusing issues has been getting more common during the last few months
18:30:12 <AnMaster> hope nothing is about to break...
18:31:29 <fizzie> Analog is so pre-Common-Era anyway.
18:32:06 <AnMaster> my monitor isn't THAT old. 2006 or so I think.
18:33:31 <fizzie> Then you really have no excuse. :p
18:34:24 <AnMaster> fizzie, and yes I do, because at that time I had a graphics card with only VGA connector
18:34:27 <fizzie> For still having a blurry needs-tuning analog wire between the computer and the monitor, of course.
18:34:47 <AnMaster> fizzie, well the monitor *doesn't* have a DVI connector
18:34:54 <AnMaster> so that is quite a good excuse I think
18:35:10 <fizzie> No, it just means there's no excuse for having that sort of monitor.
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18:35:49 <AnMaster> fizzie, well the old one broke and I urgently needed a replacement, wasn't able to wait a week or so for one to be delivered. Had to get it same day.
18:36:05 <AnMaster> thus I had to take one in the only store within reasonable distance
18:36:21 <fizzie> I guess that makes some sort of sense.
18:37:14 <fizzie> Which reminds me, I'd sure like to get that monitor back. The service tracking system status had changed to "[green blob] Ready" yesterday, but now they seem to be just keeping it for the fun of it.
18:37:33 <AnMaster> fizzie, oh they repaired it rather than replacing it?
18:38:25 <fizzie> Well, I don't know what happens there, all I get is the event log, which just has entries like "received at the service centre" and "being worked on" and now "ready".
18:38:44 <fizzie> I guess their "ready" could mean "it's dead and we can't do anything about it" too.
18:39:35 <fizzie> Ooh, the TFT size categories at the store (the one I've been talking out, it being my default place for hardware-browsing) nowadays go up to 82".
18:39:36 <AnMaster> fizzie, I hope you mentioned that you needed same height for multihead setup? And about that dead pixel warranty
18:39:52 <fizzie> And not just one: there's four 82" TFT's, all 1920x1080.
18:39:57 <fizzie> Not really meant for "home use".
18:40:17 <fizzie> Yes, it's more for info-screen-at-a-public-place type of thing.
18:40:23 <AnMaster> fizzie, what is the aspect ratio?
18:40:32 <AnMaster> or even better: physical dimensions
18:40:35 <fizzie> Also from 45711.90 to 59627.90 eur; not very cheap.
18:41:14 <fizzie> Er, well, 82" is 82" 'physically'; I don't know about the depth.
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18:41:27 <AnMaster> fizzie, well, width and height
18:41:38 <AnMaster> depending on if it is 4:3 or 16:9 that will vary quite a bit
18:41:51 <fizzie> I doubt anyone will do non-square pixels nowadays.
18:41:55 <fizzie> And 1920x1080 is 16:9.
18:42:19 <AnMaster> fizzie, sure they do. OLPC uses some weird pixel placement iirc
18:42:19 <fizzie> They eat 1 kW of electricity, heh.
18:42:35 <fizzie> The 59627.90 EUR one is also a touchscreen.
18:43:05 <fizzie> Well, for an information kiosk type of thing where you want to display something huge.
18:43:48 <AnMaster> fizzie, issue is that if you are standing close enough to touch it, it is too large to be easy to read on and/or will look quite bad due to low DPI
18:44:53 <fizzie> Well, 23 DPI. I guess that's pretty low.
18:45:30 <fizzie> Weight: 140 kg. Not very portable either.
18:45:51 <AnMaster> sure, great if you want to put it high on a wall to display (for example) arriving and departing trains
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18:47:11 <AnMaster> and I guess the touchscreen could be useful when it starts displaying a bluescreen (which seems sadly common for such public announcement displays...)
18:48:17 <fizzie> They don't really say what the touch thing is good for.
18:49:08 <fizzie> I guess it could be used in some sort of application where you have that thing in a conference room wall, looked at a reasonable distance, but want to allow the presenter to interact with it without having to use any sort of remote or pointer device or anything.
18:49:20 <fizzie> It's this model, fwiw: http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=itbusiness&type=monitors&subtype=lcd&model_cd=LH82TCTMBC/EN
18:53:33 <fizzie> There's some sort of built-in support for making a 5x5 video wall out of those, but probably not everyone has 1.25 million to spend on 25 monitors at 50 grand each.
18:56:04 <fizzie> Uh... they also sell this 4.5" LCD "monitor" that is packaged into a shape that resembles the rear view mirror of a car. The product description says "*for example* for the enthusiast looking for the perfect car driving game experience". I can't really figure out what else it could really be good for.
18:56:53 <fizzie> The description also proudly advertises that you can attach it to a regular rear view mirror, but that sounds pretty much illegal to me. At least assuming you're then going to go driving.
19:00:17 <fizzie> Except that it's not even good for that car game scenario, since the screen seems to have some sort of 4:3 aspect ratio with huge borders.
19:00:28 <fizzie> http://www.verkkokauppa.com/productimages/orig/32318_01.jpg
19:01:16 <fizzie> Maybe that's a bit wider than 4:3, but it's still not what you'd see in a real mirror.
19:03:41 <AnMaster> fizzie, yeah that is just sill y
19:04:14 <fizzie> And it costs >200 eur.
19:04:31 <HackEgo> 200 Euros = 2 057.66135 Swedish kronor
19:04:53 <AnMaster> fizzie, DIY would be cheaper and look better
19:06:07 <fizzie> Probably; although I'm not aware of any consumer-oriented retailers for small display panels; still, I guess you should be able to buy one.
19:08:16 <fizzie> Have you ever felt like you'd really want a numpad also in your mouse? http://www.verkkokauppa.com/productimages/orig/94345_01.jpg
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19:13:42 <Asztal> I thought that was a joke at razer's expense, but it turns out it's actually real.
19:14:15 <Deewiant> Well, I guess the numpad thing was a joke.
19:14:46 <Asztal> http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga
19:15:10 <Deewiant> Yeah, it just has programmable buttons.
19:15:32 <fizzie> Yes, they're targeting it for the MMO crowd.
19:15:52 <fizzie> But since they're programmable, I'm sure you can configure them to act as a numpad.
19:18:44 <fizzie> "Maximum Comfort for Long Gaming Sessions
19:18:44 <fizzie> Game for days with the Razer Naga’s ergonomic design, optimized for easy access to every button." Could you then sue them when you die of dehydration after "gaming for days" with the mouse? (Discounting for now the logistics of suing them when you're dead.)
19:19:00 <fizzie> Maybe they have a disclaimer, or a warning message.
19:20:31 <fizzie> One of those "virtual reality helmets" had the rather amusing "don't use while skiing" warning.
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19:30:44 <Asztal> Well there goes my holiday plan.
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19:32:39 <Sgeo[ERC]> Well, I think I interested a classmate in emacs
19:34:30 <coppro> I'm sort of interested in emacs, except I'd rather use vim
19:34:50 <Sgeo[ERC]> Does vim have syntax hilighting for SQL/
19:35:05 <coppro> Yes. Or if it doesn't, you can find it.
19:35:12 <coppro> But I haven't really tried vim yet either
19:35:19 <coppro> so it's pretty irrelevant
19:35:46 <coppro> Kate has SQL syntax highlighting, though it
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19:35:58 <coppro> *though it's written for standard SQL so variants lik eMySQL don't always work so hot
19:36:13 <Sgeo[ERC]> Our class edits sql files on the school's Linux server over ssh
19:37:41 <Sgeo[ERC]> Even if I knew how, that would waste a lot of the school's bandwidth
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20:14:56 <fizzie> Of course there's SQL syntax highlighting in Vim.
20:14:58 <fizzie> fis@eris:/usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax$ ls sql*
20:14:58 <fizzie> sqlanywhere.vim sqlforms.vim sqlinformix.vim sqlj.vim sqloracle.vim sql.vim
20:15:28 <fizzie> Also a couple of specific variants.
20:16:51 <oklokok> AnMaster: yes, it should be flavored
20:16:59 <oklokok> why the fuck have i started making typos
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20:17:31 <oklokok> fizzie: numpad mouse is not symmetric, i couldn't live with that
20:17:59 <fizzie> oklokok: Buy two, mirror one and tape them together.
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20:35:52 <fizzie> Yeeeees, I'm not quite sure how you're supposed to implement that, it just sounded like the sort of primitive operation that should be supported.
20:36:13 <fizzie> As far as transformations go, you can't get much simpler.
20:40:21 <oklokok> well it's simple given an extra dimension
20:41:21 <fizzie> Isn't that a configurable value? I'm sure you can change it by tweaking some dot-file.
20:45:23 <coppro> ehird: http://pastie.org/647390
21:09:35 <AnMaster> oklokok, isn't that kind of standard nowdays?
21:13:31 <oklokok> non-symmetry, extra dimensions, typos?
21:14:40 <oklokok> i assume the first one, that seems to be rather standard nowadays
21:14:43 <oklokok> doesn't make it less stupid
21:19:38 <AnMaster> oklokok, anyway who would use a numpad for a mouse?
21:24:16 <fizzie> I guess it isn't really a "numpad" in that case, though.
21:24:33 <fizzie> But if you want, you can consider it a numpad in the mouse, the actions of which have just been rebound.
21:24:40 <fizzie> It has the right shape for a numpad.
21:26:03 <AnMaster> <fizzie> Mumorpuger players. <-- huh?
21:26:37 <fizzie> That's one way of pronouncing "MMORPG".
21:28:35 <AnMaster> fizzie, anyway how is a numpad asymetric?
21:28:48 <AnMaster> well apart from the larger + enter and 0/ins keys
21:29:03 <AnMaster> fizzie, err... how did you map the keys then
21:29:38 <AnMaster> fizzie, I think I must have completely misunderstood you
21:30:08 <fizzie> There is a numpad on a mouse. You know. Like, a 3x4 grid of buttons, on the side of a physical pointer device.
21:30:20 <AnMaster> fizzie, aren't you talking about the "map mouse to numpad" accessibility thingy?
21:30:35 <fizzie> We were talking about http://www.verkkokauppa.com/productimages/orig/94345_01.jpg
21:31:29 <fizzie> And *that* is a mouse that's been targeted to the MMO-game crowd.
21:32:39 <fizzie> I assume they bind various sorts of actions to those buttons. Grinding is somehow involved. Ding. You "aggro" pulleys, and DFP is.. a flat panel screen? Tanks are involved. I'm very confused about the jargon they use.
21:33:24 <fizzie> Oh, I guess it was DPS and not DFP. Close enough.
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21:38:10 <coppro> this torrent is bizzare
21:38:17 <coppro> I think my client's borked
21:44:10 <Deewiant> http://cessu.blogspot.com/2008/09/have-you-listened-to-your-program-today.html
21:47:07 <fizzie> Didn't they make some sort of crypto-side-channel-attack based on recording the audio signals caused by the computer?
21:47:15 <fizzie> Google at least has some hits for "Acoustic Side Channel Attacks"
21:47:44 <Deewiant> Yes, I recall something like that.
21:56:47 <fizzie> The song's a bit monotonous.
21:56:53 <fizzie> I'm not sure I see commercial potential in it.
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22:38:42 * pikhq just found out that GNU Make can't handle spaces in filenames.
22:42:54 <pikhq> How is it that someone can actually screw up freaking specifying a dependency tree?
22:46:11 <oerjan> graph theory is hard...
22:47:18 <pikhq> And apparently quoting is harder.
22:51:05 <fizzie> You can quote spaces in targets with a \\.
22:51:25 <fizzie> But it doesn't work everywhere, there's a lot of functions that just look at space-separated lists.
22:52:17 <pikhq> Does no good when you're writing an implicit rule...
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23:33:33 <ehird> just want to confirm that F.lux is amazing
23:33:58 <ehird> the colours post-sunset looked amazingly orange in daylight... but now they're perfect
23:38:40 <ehird> [15:05] ais523: (I tried Google, but none of the search results are sites I'd feel comfortable visiting)
23:38:40 <ehird> block images, click encyclopediadramatica link, ignore "fag" etc, profit on even the most obscurest meme from obscureville
23:38:59 <ehird> ED, contrary to popular opinion, is not a shock site; it's a vulgar compendium of internet culture
23:45:03 <ehird> [18:03] AnMaster: fizzie, sucks if you prefer lightly toasted bread :P
23:45:03 <ehird> MILDLY BROWN! MILDLY BROWN!
23:45:04 <ehird> [19:08] fizzie: Have you ever felt like you'd really want a numpad also in your mouse? http://www.verkkokauppa.com/productimages/orig/94345_01.jpg
23:45:04 <ehird> nothing wrong with programmable buttons for gamers
23:45:04 <ehird> [19:36] Sgeo[ERC]: Our class edits sql files on the school's Linux server over ssh
23:45:07 <ehird> ([19:34] Sgeo[ERC]: Does vim have syntax hilighting for SQL/
23:45:09 <ehird> stop trying to interest people in editors)
23:45:11 <ehird> [20:40] oklokok: well it's simple given an extra dimension
23:45:13 <ehird> [20:40] oklokok: do you have those?
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23:45:17 <ehird> BAM! 11 LINES OF SPEW
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23:47:41 <ehird> http://cessu.blogspot.com/2008/09/have-you-listened-to-your-program-today.html [from earlier]
23:47:51 <ehird> would make good drone metal, sort of thing
23:47:54 <oerjan> you cannot beat me when i'm not running in the same direction!
23:48:15 <ehird> or experimental electronic music
23:48:38 <ehird> <madbrain> I WANT SOMETHING DISTINGUISHABLE FROM A PROGRAM EXECUTING! DAMN AVANT-GARDE COMPOSERS
23:49:31 <oerjan> <ehird> ([19:34] Sgeo[ERC]: Does vim have syntax hilighting for SQL/
23:49:46 <ehird> it was answered earlier
23:50:09 <ehird> but if he's responding to "vim is better than emacs" with "can vim highlight SQL" he should *really* not be extolling the virtues of certain editors to people
23:53:22 <Gregor> vim can highlight SQL :P
23:53:51 <ehird> BUT IMAGINE IF IT COULDN'T BY DEFAULT!
23:53:58 <ehird> <Sgeo> Benefits of emacs: can highlight SQL
23:54:05 <ehird> <Sgeo> Benefits of vim: Some people like it more
23:54:10 <ehird> <Sgeo> I think I'll stick to emacs
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23:56:53 <Gregor> The French guy who is the only other bastion of vim in my research group is fleeing back to France, leaving me alone against a cadre of emacsen.
23:57:17 <ehird> Note: Those three lines are, in fact, parody
23:57:29 <ehird> Just in case; it's quite hard to tell
23:57:43 <ehird> also, is it just me or are "gaming mice" regular mice with weights?
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23:58:15 <oerjan> gaming mice should be able to traverse small labyrinths, me thinks
23:58:27 <Gregor> ehird: I have a pseudofriend who has a gaming mouse that actually has removable/replaceable weights X_X
23:58:34 <ehird> Yes, that's most of them.
23:58:39 <Gregor> Ah, I didn't know that.
23:58:39 <ehird> It's not unreasonable, in fact, if a little excessive.
23:58:43 <ehird> Well, not most of them.
23:58:52 <ehird> But most of Razer's, I'd wager, and Logitech's higher-end ones.
23:59:08 <ehird> Anyway, it beats having multiple mice. Of course, it only matters if you're good to start with.