00:07:29 <fax> I am not sure what exist mean....
00:07:43 <fax> mostly we can not care but in the formal sense it matters
00:36:40 <MizardX> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html <-- reason might be that it ends the current branch of reality :)
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01:38:50 <fax> MizardX http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30990
01:39:06 <Ilari> LHC having problems again?
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01:46:44 <Gregor> PROBLEM: Every time a page in Hackiki was viewed, lib/python/creole.pyc would be updated, creating unnecessary churn in the hg-stored FS.
01:47:01 <Gregor> SOLUTION: rm lib/python/creole.pyc ; mkdir lib/python/creole.pyc ; touch lib/python/creole.pyc/empty
01:56:30 <Ilari> Interesting. X keyboard driver froze to extent that not even CTRL+ALT+Fx worked. Forcibly switching to text console and back cleared it up.
01:57:09 <MizardX> Gregor: It's faster to use the .pyc-file. Otherwise the .py will have to be parsed each time.
01:57:57 <pikhq> MizardX: But it ends up slowing down hg quite a bit because the .pyc file gets *touched* every time.
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02:22:00 <Gregor> MizardX: Yes, but the modification times aren't handled by hg.
02:22:17 <Gregor> So it's actually reparsing and recompiling it every time.
02:22:22 <Gregor> Yes, I know what a .pyc file is :P{
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02:29:58 <Gregor> Also, Hackiki supports file uploads now, so, y'know, make use of that n' all.
02:32:40 <Gregor> It sets an environment variable called FILES, then for each file it sets a difficult-to-read environment variable called FILE_<filename> to the original filename.
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02:45:09 <Sgeo> http://www.turtleflight.com/mbh/behavior_table.gif I'm pretty sure ehird will want to kill someone
02:45:41 <Sgeo> Programming in MS Comic Sans!
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09:39:54 <ehird> 13:16:36 <Gregor> http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Vivaldi-Masterpieces-Amazon-Exclusive/dp/B002POQ2UQ . Go. Buy.
09:39:57 <ehird> $6.99 for some unscarce bits? whyever would I do that?
09:39:59 <ehird> 13:24:44 <Rugxulo> he was (apparently) a priest, so I doubt he cared about money
09:40:01 <ehird> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
09:40:03 <ehird> 13:45:49 <madbrain> http://s.engramstudio.com/src/sdc.txt <- tentative rules
09:40:05 <ehird> 60 fps = waste of time
09:40:53 <ehird> 13:57:28 <Gregor> You fontophiles are idiots.
09:40:53 <ehird> Liberation Mono is perfectly fine, don't confuse AnMaster being a malcontent with him being a font connoisseur.
09:41:07 <ehird> should probably not bother trying to read five days of events
09:41:42 <ehird> 13:58:31 <AnMaster> Gregor, I'm no fontofile. I prefer Ariel over Helvetia because the font spacing is proper in konqueror with it
09:41:43 <ehird> ...especially when he's idiotic enough to confuse a font with a typeface.
09:41:48 <ehird> (And misspell Arial.)
09:41:51 <ehird> (Oh, and Helvetica.)
09:43:33 <ehird> 14:01:13 <Gregor> <Rugxulo> some P4s are allegedly slower than some P3s !! ; It is true of all lines of Intels (at least since P1pro) that there are early models of the newer one that is slower than the latest models of the previous one.
09:43:37 <ehird> It was faster from the start.
09:45:16 <ehird> 14:05:43 <Rugxulo> <AnMaster> ehird, I estimate it is around 17 C indoors atm
09:45:16 <ehird> 14:05:52 <Rugxulo> you could maybe use another one to kill two birds with one stone ;-)
09:45:17 <ehird> 14:06:00 <AnMaster> Rugxulo, hah.
09:45:17 <ehird> 14:06:07 <AnMaster> Rugxulo, I care about environment a bit
09:45:17 <ehird> 14:06:18 <AnMaster> so I try to go by bus instead of car and so on
09:45:18 <ehird> never mind invisible sandwich — invisible non sequitur-producing thought process
09:46:43 <ehird> 14:16:59 <AnMaster> Rugxulo, AMD CPUs use more power
09:46:43 <ehird> 14:17:00 <AnMaster> other than that they are better IMO
09:46:43 <ehird> presumably you don't mean technologically, as AMD CPUs are simply inferior in every aspect nowadays
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09:47:58 <ehird> 18:45:09 <Sgeo> http://www.turtleflight.com/mbh/behavior_table.gif I'm pretty sure ehird will want to kill someone
09:48:08 <fizzie> It's still possible that they might release a faster-than-the-slowest-i7 in some of the earlier series. Maybe not that likely, though. (I think that's what happened with the original Pentium; the 60 MHz Pentium introduced March 1993 was faster than the 66 MHz 486dx2 models available at that time, but I have a feeling that the 100 MHz 486dx4 models from late 1994 beat the first 60 MHz Pentium.)
09:49:21 <ehird> Not likely. The Core 2s of similar clocks to the first-model, lowest-end i7 lose slightly.
09:49:25 <fizzie> (Why is it called "DX4" anyway when it runs at triple the bus clock rate?)
09:49:38 <ehird> Admittedly with the brute force of clock speed and a lot of money you could get the uber-best Core 2 to beat the 920
09:56:50 <ehird> s/, subject to the following conditions:\n\nThe above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in\nall copies or substantial portions of the Software.//
10:02:20 <ehird> hmm http://www.opensource.org/licenses/fair.php looks like the simplest OSI-approved license
10:02:31 <ehird> although "usage" is very vague
10:05:21 <ehird> 14:35:18 <AnMaster> and what was adlib?
10:05:21 <ehird> 14:35:29 <AnMaster> or Roland MT-32? (sounds familiar, unlike adlib)
10:05:34 <ehird> MT-32 only being the best MIDI synthesiser ever made.
10:05:41 <ehird> Adlib only being one of the most popular soundcards of the 90s.
10:06:03 <ehird> You know, clearly you already know these things being so sure that DOS nostalgia is ridiculous. Otherwise you wouldn't be so sure, right?
10:07:58 <ehird> especially the mt-32 was unique due to its total reprogrammability
10:08:25 <ehird> unemulatable too, due to much analogness
10:11:26 <ehird> 15:05:53 <Rugxulo> but you keep saying, "What's the point?" as if it was always so cut and dry
10:11:26 <ehird> the only proper emotional expression is symphonic music composed by dead men!
10:12:12 <fizzie> That's just a matter of signal processing with enough bits. ScummVM has a MT-32 emulator (from the Munt project; it eats a ROM image you have to extract from a real MT-32), though I can't attest at all to how faithful it is.
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10:15:05 <fizzie> The predecessor ("MT-32 Emulation Project") has a MP3 sample file from both the real and emulated synthesizers at http://www.artworxinn.com/alex/downloads.htm, but I don't have headphones here right now. On a forum someone says it isn't very good.
10:15:06 <ehird> 15:46:33 <fizzie> AnMaster: http://www.lauppert.ws/screen1/mac/glider.png
10:15:07 <ehird> 15:46:39 <fizzie> The games are nowadays free, it seems.
10:15:12 <ehird> fizzie: the scummvm mt-32 emulator sucks
10:15:19 <ehird> I have a real MT-32, and I pirated the relevant ROM files
10:15:56 <ehird> 15:48:13 <Deewiant> Possibly a ripoff of some kind, since I think it was on a PC. It /was/ a paper aeroplane.
10:15:57 <ehird> there was a pc version iirc
10:16:15 <fizzie> There's a Windows version on the download page, yes.
10:16:21 <fizzie> (Of the older Glider 4.)
10:16:37 <ehird> it runs on os x, the latest one there
10:16:43 <ehird> i think it's just the os 9 one compiled for os x
10:16:47 <fizzie> Yes, but that's too easy!
10:16:47 <ehird> uses old school quickdraw stuff
10:16:51 <ehird> very confusing to use on os x :)
10:17:04 <fizzie> The house editor works only in the OS 9 version, too.
10:17:41 <ehird> Incidentally, MT-32 emulators can never emulate the best thing about it.
10:17:56 <ehird> Seeing the tiny calculator-style LCD display light up with a game-specific message in the intro.
10:18:58 <fizzie> You could try to sell a special USB peripheral that'd have a similar-looking display; only used by a MT-32 emulator program to display that. I'm sure it'd be a hit.
10:21:30 <fizzie> DSP development boards tend to have all kinds of programmable blinkenlights and dip switches, ostensibly for making it easier to debug your code since you can run it real-time and watch the lights -- but I really suspect they've added those just because the plain PCB boards are so utterly boring to look at. Quite a lot of the demo-example-programs of one SDK do a Knight Rider style led-blinkery for no special reason.
10:21:53 <ehird> fizzie: It could even have a little chip that reads in digital data, feeds it through a nop analog circuit, and returns it as digital data.
10:21:59 <ehird> The analog fuzz can be yours again!
10:22:35 <ehird> Oh, modifying the ISC license may be the best idea.
10:22:37 <ehird> "Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software for any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies."
10:22:43 <ehird> "Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software for any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted."
10:23:04 <ehird> Then use the warranty disclaimer from the Fair License; "DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY."
10:24:59 <fizzie> Your software is FREE as in reFREshmEnts.
10:25:21 <ehird> FREE as in Fuck copyright, Repeal Electrical Engineers! Wait... what?
10:25:45 <ehird> "As stated the law allows abuses of software. Require a clause that no malicious uses may be entered into with said program conditional of any use." —OSI page for the MIT license
10:25:57 <ehird> HELLO DOUGLAS CROCKFORD
10:26:13 <fizzie> According to Wikipedia, TEMPEST comes from "Tremendously Endowed Men Performing Exciting Sexual Techniques". (Okay, so that's just one of the suggested backronym formations.)
10:26:59 <ehird> Tally-ho; erections must penetrate estrogen's stomach tumour.
10:28:33 <ehird> Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird
10:28:36 <ehird> Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software
10:28:36 <ehird> for any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted.
10:28:36 <ehird> DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY.
10:28:47 <ehird> Well, I guess I should s/WORKS/SOFTWARE/.
10:28:52 <ehird> And, really, it would be nice if it applied to all works.
10:29:16 <ehird> Well, permission to use is pretty implicit, I'd say... hmm.
10:29:43 <fizzie> You should also s/DISCLAIMER/GENTLEMENT/ -- that would make it sound better.
10:29:52 <fizzie> Discard the spurious T, though.
10:30:09 * ehird tries to do copying→? as in modify→modification, distribute→distribution
10:30:48 <ehird> Substituting copying for ?, methinks this is t he best:
10:30:49 <ehird> Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird
10:30:50 <ehird> Usage, copying, modification and distribution of the works is permitted.
10:30:51 <ehird> DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY.
10:31:21 <ehird> Perhaps "of the works and any derivative works", so you can distribute post-modification (though apparently the OSI lawyers don't think that's necessary, seeing as it's "Usage of the works is permitted provided that this instrument is retained with the works, so that any entity that uses the works is notified of this instrument.")
10:31:30 <ehird> But "usage" is way too vague for me.
10:32:30 <ehird> Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird
10:32:32 <ehird> Usage, copying, modification and distribution of the works and any derivative works is permitted.
10:32:32 <ehird> DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY.
10:32:39 <ehird> "works is permitted" seems awkward, though.
10:32:52 <ehird> I wonder if the singular "work" would suffice.
10:43:21 <ehird> Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird
10:43:22 <ehird> Usage, copying, modification and distribution of this work and any derivative works is hereby permitted.
10:43:22 <ehird> DISCLAIMER: THIS WORK IS PROVIDED WITHOUT WARRANTY.
10:58:46 <Warrigal> For some reason, I thought "GENTLEMENT" was a truncated version of the proper word.
11:03:33 * ehird orders someone to shop the GENTLEMEN picture to say GENTLEMENTATION
11:03:47 <ehird> Well, "GENTLEMENTATION.".
11:05:15 <ehird> Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird
11:05:16 <ehird> Permission to use, copy, modify and distribute this work is hereby granted.
11:05:16 <ehird> DISCLAIMER: THIS WORK IS PROVIDED WITHOUT WARRANTY.
11:05:18 <ehird> Amend, amend, amend.
11:05:34 <ehird> I guess "hereby" is omittable, but it seems to flow better.
11:07:39 <ehird> Hmm, there's always that person mentioning that (c) has no legal effect/
11:07:49 <ehird> Also, I don't think the year really matters.
11:08:00 <ehird> And "Copyright Elliott Hird" is... pretty implicit.
11:08:12 <ehird> Permission to use, copy, modify and distribute this work is granted.
11:08:13 <ehird> THIS WORK IS PROVIDED WITHOUT WARRANTY.
11:08:15 <ehird> Well that's minimalism for you.
11:09:18 <ehird> Permission to use, copy, modify and distribute this work is granted.
11:09:19 <ehird> THERE IS NO WARRANTY.
11:10:14 <ehird> Anyone know if permission to use is implicit in copyright law? Pretty sure it is.
11:12:11 <ehird> The WTFPL is basically "Permission to do anything with this work is granted.", but that doesn't seem very robust.
11:12:21 <ehird> The FSF thinks it's okay, though, so perhaps I could simplify further.
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11:20:49 <ehird> "Permission is granted to copy, modify and distribute this work."
11:22:23 <Pthing> here is the only licence you need:
11:22:28 <Pthing> "just do what you want"
11:22:38 <ehird> I *did* mention the WTFPL, you know.
11:22:56 <Pthing> no because software licencing is the worst thing
11:23:01 <Pthing> i don't mean the actual idea, it's there
11:23:07 <ehird> And if we could be so cavalier about the law, then the most license we'd need would be the null string.
11:23:18 <ehird> (Actually it'd be nice if copyright was repealed, but it isn't.)
11:23:37 <Pthing> having a million versions of YEAH DO WHAT YOU WANT
11:23:45 <ehird> But personally I don't feel like encouraging another djb situation, when software is inaccessible to most potential users because of licensing issues.
11:23:50 <ehird> Pthing: There really aren't that many.
11:24:01 <ehird> The WTFPL is the only one, really.
11:24:04 <ehird> Maybe a few obscure ones.
11:24:20 <Pthing> 10 IF NUM_GAY_LICENCES > 0 GOTO 20
11:24:21 <ehird> Even the MIT license has restrictions (inclusion of the notice).
11:24:24 <Pthing> 20 PRINT "THIS IS SHIT"
11:24:30 <ehird> License-on-license action? Hot.
11:26:05 <ehird> But seriously, no, there aren't that many licenses with no restrictions; the WTFPL is probably okay to use but it also contains a bunch of boilerplate around the main do-what-the-fuck-you-want-to text and, besides, I'm not sure how it'd stand up in the retarded courts.
11:27:46 <ehird> Also, the WTFPL is intended for software use only.
11:28:17 <ehird> Pthing: is batting backwards and forth between retarded, incoherent and illogical and intelligent, coherent and logical your schtick or something? you do it a lot
11:28:43 <Pthing> if it's something somebody does a lot then i think that's a schtick by definition
11:29:29 <ehird> Do it again, do it again
11:29:52 <Pthing> software licencing gives me tremendous feelings of not feeling anything
11:30:09 <ehird> You'll note I never mentioned software.
11:30:16 <ehird> But yes, it is incredibly boring.
11:30:24 <ehird> It's also necessary due to the idiocy that is copyright.
11:31:33 <ehird> There's no money in a lot of good things.
11:31:41 <ehird> But licensing isn't good.
11:31:49 <ehird> So I'm not sure what my or your points are.
11:32:00 <Pthing> if you're using the licencing to protect your golds then that's okay
11:32:12 <Pthing> that is only business and nobody is expecting business to be free of puffery
11:32:31 <ehird> I'm using licensing to negate the restrictions that copyright law places on my works.
11:32:49 <ehird> Public domain is, unfortunately, legally shaky.
11:33:02 <Pthing> you just *don't prosecute anybody*
11:33:25 <ehird> Yep, Bernstein tried that
11:33:40 <Pthing> explain the case of Bernstein v. Shyster
11:34:00 <ehird> Result: Linux distributions wouldn't touch his software with a ten foot pole, a lot of businesses almost certainly shied away (because, you know, he could prosecute them and win), blah blah blah
11:34:10 <ehird> Besides, what you're proposing, then, isn't public domain.
11:34:18 <ehird> It's "keep the copyright but don't enforce it".
11:34:22 <ehird> The two concepts are distinct.
11:34:36 <ehird> Both are idiotic to try and apply, but the latter is at least well-defined in all legal systems.
11:35:29 <Pthing> why do you care about well-defined in legal systems exactly
11:35:34 <Pthing> explain this bernstein thing better
11:35:56 <ehird> Because everyone else does. Works aren't a bubble, and I publish them so that other people will take them.
11:36:09 <ehird> "this bernstein thing" is ambiguous.
11:36:46 <Pthing> well, [[WP:DISAMBIGUATE]]
11:36:51 <ehird> Right from the very start Debian (and Ubuuntu) and Fedora won't include my software, and I very much doubt any other major Linux distributions would.
11:36:55 <Pthing> or whatever the fuken wikipedia code is
11:36:59 <ehird> The BSDs will probably ignore it too.
11:37:16 <ehird> Every business ever (not that I care much) as well, and probably a handful of users too.
11:37:28 <ehird> Begging the question why I'd even bother publishing software.
11:37:37 <ehird> daniel j bernstein.
11:37:52 <ehird> Author of qmail, djbdns.
11:39:02 <Pthing> this doesn't seem like a licencing issue
11:39:16 <Pthing> this seems like an issue regarding the classification of encryption as munitions
11:40:46 <ehird> hurr people can only have one issue?
11:40:53 <ehird> i never mentioned bernstein v. usa
11:41:47 <ehird> [11:32] ehird: Public domain is, unfortunately, legally shaky.
11:41:48 <ehird> [11:32] Pthing: no it isn't
11:41:48 <ehird> [11:33] Pthing: you just *don't prosecute anybody*
11:41:48 <ehird> [11:33] ehird: Yep, Bernstein tried that
11:43:03 <ehird> Not licensing his software and just not suing anybody.
11:43:53 <ehird> Nobody shipped his software. It had a decent base of users (especially a lot of corporations use qmail), and he's famous, but you had to manually download and compile it yourself.
11:44:11 <ehird> Oh, and even he, who is quite clued up law-wise, says that this means you can't distribute modified versions, just patches.
11:44:23 <ehird> In conclusion, no, "not suing anybody" is not a viable substitute for a license.
11:44:43 <Pthing> i don't see why that necessarily follows
11:45:11 <Pthing> he may just be terrible at convincing people to use his software, and he's using this licence thing as an excuse
11:45:47 <ehird> you clearly have no idea who djb is
11:45:55 <ehird> and you've admitted this yourself
11:46:07 <ehird> so please, don't make embarrassing grasps at straws
11:46:46 <ehird> — his software is widely considered high-quality, he has a large money grant for anyone to find a bug, and there's only been something like four ever published (this is for qmail and djbdns, iirc)
11:46:49 <Pthing> it's no big feat to be like "hey, you don't know anything" to somebody who has been asking you for details and to explain yourself because he doesn't understand
11:47:15 <ehird> it helps to make a reasonable assumption that I'm not using bernstein as an example because he's an idiot who can't write good software
11:47:23 <ehird> that would be pretty stupid, after all.
11:47:25 <Pthing> i never wished to suggest that
11:47:39 <ehird> how is it suggesting, you said it outright
11:47:44 <ehird> [11:45] Pthing: he may just be terrible at convincing people to use his software, and he's using this licence thing as an excuse
11:47:59 <Pthing> <ehird> it helps to make a reasonable assumption that I'm not using bernstein as an example because he's an idiot who can't write good software
11:48:15 <Pthing> " he's an idiot who can't write good software" == " he may just be terrible at convincing people to use his software"?
11:48:40 <ehird> well, i'm kinda tired and didn't remember the exact line
11:48:49 <ehird> but whatever, obviously the implication was that my example was not about the licensing
11:48:55 <Pthing> motherfucker, is your buffer two lines high
11:49:03 <ehird> no that's anmaster.
11:49:14 <ehird> being terrible at convincing people to use your software would generally lead to someone being not well known at all
11:49:21 <ehird> and using such a nobody as an example would be very odd indeed methinks.
11:49:29 <Pthing> depends who he'strying to convince!
11:50:04 <Pthing> It is a fatal miscarriage, so ill to order affairs, as to pass for a fool in one company, when in another you might be treated as a philosopher.
11:50:28 <ehird> ah yes, a quote from poem of the pthing :-P
11:50:42 <ehird> did i say otherwise!
11:50:53 <Pthing> i don't know, i think it's scrolled off the top
11:51:06 <ehird> wait, what did you say last
11:51:11 <ehird> i can make funnies me.
11:51:18 <Pthing> i don't know, my screen is just full of your lines
11:53:50 <ehird> Permission is granted to copy, modify and distribute this work.
11:53:50 <ehird> THERE IS NO WARRANTY.
11:53:51 * ehird watches Pthing squirm with detached interest
11:54:20 <Pthing> "do what you want" has four words
11:54:51 <ehird> "fart butterfly cake" has one less
11:55:04 <ehird> heck, even the WTFPL needs an additional warranty disclaimer
11:55:29 <ehird> "do what you want. there is no warranty" would probably stand up, but it's still shaky.
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12:20:18 <fizzie> Misread "my screen is just full of your lies"; but maybe that is also applicable! (I haven't read the screen.)
12:21:57 <oklopol> oerjan: the coding theory thing had an "error", or well, it was made simpler by adding "there are no codewords of weight 2"; we'll probably prove the other cases in the next two homework sets
12:22:12 <oklopol> it's utterly trivial with that addition
12:23:01 <oklopol> and the other cases are simple, but the lecturer at least doesn't know a simple solution, you have to check a few cases
12:23:45 <oklopol> assuming you still remember the original question
12:24:05 <oklopol> then again who could forget a mathematical question
13:09:20 <fizzie> Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 266: Section 102A1/2. Possession, transportation, use or placement of hoax devices:
13:09:20 <fizzie> "(b) For the purposes of this section, the term "hoax device" shall mean any device that would cause a person reasonably to believe that such device is an infernal machine. For the purposes of this section, the term "infernal machine" shall mean any device for endangering life or doing unusual damage to property, or both, by fire or explosion, whether or not contrived to ignite or explode automatically."
13:09:45 <fizzie> Beware, the infernal machine!
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14:05:21 <Gregor> "First give it intelligence, then give it a gun."
14:07:49 <Gregor> Let's see my spam:ham ratio.
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14:25:05 <AnMaster> <ehird> yes, myself <-- do it!
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14:42:26 <AnMaster> oerjan, and a question about it. Wondering if you can figure out why
14:42:36 <AnMaster> (why jamie said that in the last panel I mean)
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14:46:56 <AnMaster> oerjan, eh? why it was inevitable
14:47:55 <oerjan> that _is_ the kind of universe that is. i am sure ehird can come up with some way of deriding you for not having noticed.
14:48:32 <AnMaster> oerjan, right, but isn't that something the characters are supposed to be unaware of?
14:49:06 <oerjan> well, actually that's the kind of _multiverse_ that is. i think it applies to all of them...
14:51:12 <oerjan> no, this is not the kind of universe where you can expect characters to be unaware of things. unless they are named steve or serron.
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14:52:29 <AnMaster> argh I found out that sheepshaver fails at emulation for some games I wanted to play. They all display black game screen (controls and such around still)
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14:52:58 <oerjan> oh or nigerian finance minister :)
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14:53:20 <oerjan> ok, there are a lot of characters you can expect to be unaware of things. but not all ;)
14:53:22 <AnMaster> oerjan, or probably a few more
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14:54:18 <oerjan> kyros, but not in the same way - he just doesn't _care_ if things go wrong from others' perspective
14:56:17 <oerjan> oh william shakespeare, probably
14:59:15 <oerjan> ok most major themes have at least one clueless character
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19:43:31 <Gregor> I'm strongly considering moving some stuff over to Hackiki :P
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21:46:27 <zzo38> I wrote a background story text of my D&D character: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/raw_transcripts/Vyb_back_story.txt
21:46:38 <zzo38> Now I should tell my brother to do so, also.
21:46:47 <zzo38> Did I miss anything important?
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