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00:03:11 <Sgeo> There's semantics stuff, but did they really need to make the syntax this unfamiliar?
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00:24:53 <Sgeo> How long should it really take to calculate the total cost of free items??
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00:27:04 <Sgeo> How'd you get it so fast? I mean, if Microsoft-created software takes a while, how can a person possibly figure it out so quickly?
00:27:37 <ais523> total cost of free items should be 0
00:27:43 <ais523> because as they're free, they don't cost anything
00:27:49 <ais523> and adding loads of 0s makes 0
00:27:58 <Sgeo> It's just that Zune was taking a few seconds to "Calculate total"
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01:24:29 <fax> what's the difference between random and algorithmic?
01:24:41 <fax> you can generate primes with an algorithm
01:46:13 <pikhq> Random numbers are uncomputable. Algorithmic results are computable.
01:56:13 <Warrigal> The prime numbers definitely have some randomnesses.
01:56:27 <pikhq> Their distribution is random.
01:56:34 <pikhq> (insofar as we are aware)
01:56:55 <pikhq> The set of prime numbers is not at all random, however.
01:57:00 <Warrigal> What does "their distribution" mean?
01:57:14 <Warrigal> s/randomnesses/non-randomnesses/
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02:18:10 <pikhq> Insofar as we are aware, there is no pattern to the prime numbers. (if you find such a pattern, you win some major prizes and break most encryption)
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02:49:29 <Sgeo> All prime numbers greater than 3 can be expressed as either 6n+1 or 6n-1, where n is an integer
02:49:47 <Sgeo> Where are my prizes?
02:58:37 <fax> All prime numbers are divisible by at least two smaller primes
03:11:22 <Sgeo> I realized it a long time ago, and recently saw it someplace else
03:11:25 <Sgeo> Let me work it out again
03:11:33 <Sgeo> (Unless I'm thinking of prime pairs)
03:13:05 <Sgeo> Let's say these represent any 6 continuous integers, starting with one divisible by 6:
03:13:27 <Sgeo> 2 and 4 are divisible by 2
03:13:46 <Sgeo> So we have / 1 / 3 / 5
03:13:52 <Sgeo> (Where / is effectively crossed out)
03:14:05 <Sgeo> The 3 is divisible by 3
03:14:10 <Sgeo> So / 1 / / / 5
03:15:28 <coppro> you did it, well done, etc
03:15:36 <Sgeo> Ah. Wanted to be sure
03:19:18 * coppro decides to do an old CCC
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16:10:41 <oerjan> 15:16:09 <M_Budgie> Does anyone know if there's a language made entirely out of pokemon references?
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16:11:01 <oerjan> impatient guy... and didn't Zzo38 make one?
16:12:27 <oerjan> hm right, doesn't seem to be Zzo
16:12:36 <oerjan> and also not very fleshed out
16:13:56 <ais523> zzo38's a big pocket monsters IRC fan
16:14:35 <oerjan> that and General Assembler (by Zzo38 and used for a pokemon game, but not itself pokemon based) are the only pokemon mentions on the wiki
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16:18:44 <oerjan> <Sgeo> How'd you get it so fast? I mean, if Microsoft-created software takes a while, how can a person possibly figure it out so quickly?
16:19:14 <oerjan> sheesh everyone knows microsoft software is commercial, and thus optimized for non-free items
16:21:56 <ais523> wow, that's a lot of upgrades
16:22:21 <ais523> new kernel, X, and most of the bootup sequence
16:22:26 <oerjan> <pikhq> Insofar as we are aware, there is no pattern to the prime numbers. (if you find such a pattern, you win some major prizes and break most encryption)
16:23:04 <oerjan> there are lots of patterns, they just don't describe exactly what is a prime or not, or else they are too complicated to be useful
16:23:47 <oerjan> and i'm also not sure how a simple pattern for primes would help much with factorization (i.e. encryption breaking)
16:24:23 <oerjan> of course this is somewhat because the concept of pattern is wishy-washy
16:27:36 * oerjan notices today there _was_ a 12 hour break without anyone speaking in the channel, just before he arrived. fax must be pleased.
16:28:03 <ais523> wow that's a lot of major changes
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16:36:23 <{}_> oerjan, true
16:37:45 <oklopol> primes have a pattern by definition
16:38:16 <oerjan> oklopol: well that's what i meant by wishy-washy
16:38:43 <oerjan> if you define it too broadly, anything you can define uniquely at all becomes a pattern
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17:22:47 <ais523> not only does the documentation for this evaulation board not actually specify the pinouts to access the peripherals (one of the most basic pieces of information, and one that can't be guessed without a huge amount of brute force)
17:23:18 <ais523> but it has a set of examples (which I think are binary only), and for the web server tests, the IP is hardcoded to 1.2.3.9 (on network 1.0.0.0/16)
17:23:40 <ais523> why are they not using one of the ranges that is actually available for local networks?
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17:38:05 <fizzie> Presumably because it might conflict with someone's actual local network, while you can cheerfully reuse 1.0.0.0/16 because no-one has any sensible reason to want to connect there, since it's IANA-reserved.
17:39:30 <fizzie> Not such a great reason, but *a* reason none-the-less.
17:40:44 <ais523> people may want to connect there once 1.0.0.0/16 is allocated
17:40:52 <ais523> IIRC, it isn't reserved for any reason but that it hasn't been allocated yet
17:41:41 <fizzie> Yes, but you're talking about the FUTURE. Now, in the FUTURE we might all be DEAD anyway, so why worry about it?
17:43:04 <ais523> what are you parodying?
17:43:36 <fizzie> Anyway, they could've used some random numbers from 169.254.0.0/16 though; those are reserved for link-local auto-random-config-style addresses.
17:44:06 <fizzie> Like what Windows boxes pick when they've been configured to use DHCP but no DHCP server is found.
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17:47:16 <fizzie> (There's also 192.0.2.0/24 "assigned as "TEST-NET" for use in documentation and example code", but maybe conceptually speaking that shouldn't be used "for real". Oh, and 198.18.0.0/15 is specifically allocated (RFC2544) for "benchmark tests of network interconnect devices"; that could well be abused for web-server testing.
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18:17:10 <oerjan> maybe it's really swine flu this time...
18:17:33 <oerjan> (otherwise, my third cold this autumn)
18:18:09 <{}_> oerjan, third only?
18:18:36 <oerjan> you mean i should have had _more_?
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18:51:52 <Gregor> bsmntbombdood: You mean there's a goddamn motherfucking small flying snack in here.
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18:55:57 <Gregor> They're full of proteiny goodness.
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19:38:23 <FireFly> [19:55:35] oerjan considers making an anosmia joke about Gregor and flies, but then realizes he hasn't exactly tasted flies himself either
19:38:33 <FireFly> So why do you insist in swatting them?
19:42:52 <oerjan> it's been a while since i could pass for a kid
19:46:37 <FireFly> it's been a negative while since I could
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21:14:39 <oklopol> you have never tasted a fly?
21:20:45 <Deewiant> Of those, I've tasted cow and ant
21:21:22 <oklopol> of the finnish ones i only like the big red and blue ones, whatever they are called
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21:22:33 <Deewiant> I've tasted only one variety of ant. :-P
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