00:01:51 <Gregor> Maybe he's referring to the DS :P
00:02:05 <Asztal> In my case the microSD card's file system got corrupted.
00:02:34 <Asztal> It being FAT32 probably didn't help :(
00:03:54 <immibis> dsorganise is good but the filesystem corruption and crashes aren't...
00:04:15 <oerjan> AnMaster: ghosts and their suffering
00:07:19 <AnMaster> Asztal, restore it from backup?
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00:17:12 <oerjan> ehirdiphone: technically
00:18:59 * Sgeo_ got Windows working again!
00:19:24 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, you shall have to maintain rcfunge!
00:19:52 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, using emacs on the iphone!
00:20:09 <ehirdiphone> But seriously: may his stardust go on to compose wonderful things.
00:20:39 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, but seriously, why not maintain it. After all, didn't you like it?
00:21:40 <ehirdiphone> I just responded to unwarranted hate of him and RC/Funge98.
00:22:30 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, so things haven't been sorted out yet?
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00:24:01 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, how much secondary storage does the iphone have?
00:25:23 <ehirdiphone> AnMaster: The iPhone only has one storage.
00:25:57 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, and a memory card slot I guess?
00:26:11 * Sgeo_ is so glad that the malware didn't affect his ability to access the registry
00:26:57 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, depends on what you will use it for
00:27:00 <Sgeo_> SimonRC, regedit works, and the change I made to allow myself to access the task manager works
00:27:12 <Sgeo_> Unless this thing is so complex that it's letting me _think_ it's working
00:27:16 <AnMaster> well for music as you said, it is not nearly enough
00:27:33 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, I assume cd-quality flac here
00:27:46 <SimonRC> but there a standard ways to protect processes from Task Manager, or even Process Explorer
00:28:00 <SimonRC> things like anti-virus programs use them
00:28:00 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, doesn't apple have their own loseless format?
00:28:16 <Sgeo_> This piece of work apparently went for the "disable the task manager" option
00:28:23 <Sgeo_> I really really doubt that it's still active
00:28:40 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, you can plug in good headphones, can't you?
00:28:49 <ehirdiphone> It's not archival, so use high quality lossy. Indistinguishable.
00:28:52 <AnMaster> well maybe the circuitry can't deliver good sound
00:29:15 <ehirdiphone> AnMaster: Sorry, you cannot distinguish 256 Kbps AAC and lossless.
00:29:24 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, I never claimed I could
00:29:41 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, it is just a matter of principles
00:30:24 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, I don't have your email
00:31:19 <SimonRC> ehirdiphone: by "send me" I assume you meant "send the world"
00:31:42 <ehirdiphone> I wonder whether I should get a laptop or a desktop. My principles say laptop, but OMG MOAR PIXELS
00:31:50 <SimonRC> ( http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D )
00:32:04 <SimonRC> what is so great about laptops?
00:32:18 <SimonRC> ah, I mis-read those lines
00:32:27 <SimonRC> I thought that was AnMaster's reply
00:32:37 <ehirdiphone> SimonRC: All my work and environment weighing a couple of kilos as a physical object.
00:32:54 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, I will send it if you keep it private. Reason is simple: I don't know if MKRY would like it.
00:33:09 <ehirdiphone> Portable anywhere, usable in any orientation I desire.
00:33:43 <ehirdiphone> I only worry that he might be committing suicide.
00:33:49 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, and I hope you can handle PGP/MIME :P
00:33:58 <AnMaster> because that is what I sent it as (signed)
00:34:07 <AnMaster> and no I won't resend as non-PGP/MIME
00:34:26 <ehirdiphone> Gmail will probably just show it as plaintext.
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00:36:06 <SimonRC> your immediately preceding line
00:36:17 <ehirdiphone> SimonRC: Also: laptops from good companies are a more tightly integrated computer than desktops.
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00:36:38 <AnMaster> <ehirdiphone> Http://gmail.com go go gadget link tap <-- ?
00:36:52 <ehirdiphone> AnMaster: It just shows your message. I will try with MobileMail.
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00:37:04 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, it was an attachment
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00:37:47 <AnMaster> he certainly types fast for being on a phone...
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00:38:32 <SimonRC> yeah, it's like Homestuck or something
00:38:39 <ehirdiphone> He signed it MKRY. I feel distinctly guilty.
00:39:03 <ehirdiphone> That opener, though — he certainly thinks you hate him.
00:39:31 <ehirdiphone> Doesn't seem like the happiest bloke around...
00:40:05 <ehirdiphone> http://rcfunge98.com/ for my tapping. Gonna see if he's put anything on the site.
00:40:20 <SimonRC> heh, also I mis-interpreted "his email"
00:40:31 <SimonRC> I thought that meant email *address*
00:41:06 <SimonRC> how do you type so fast on an iPhone?
00:41:12 <ehirdiphone> That, I think, shall be my next question. If MKRY is going to kill himself, well, I'd rather he didn't.
00:41:41 <ehirdiphone> Also, dunno. The auto-corrector helps a lot.
00:42:00 <ehirdiphone> As does the two spaces to make a new sentence.
00:43:07 <ehirdiphone> Not that I feel like writing an email on this thing.
00:43:13 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, it is in the forwarded message
00:43:29 <ehirdiphone> SimonRC: Oh, and the primary skill for iPhone typing is sheer fearlessness!
00:43:30 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, look in the header of the forwarded attachment
00:44:09 <ehirdiphone> If you never think you make mistakes and just keep typing, it'll all work out fine for the mostpart.
00:44:12 <SimonRC> I don't suppose you can get FITALY for that thing can you?
00:44:40 <ehirdiphone> SimonRC: No. Fitaly is for styluses anyway.
00:44:56 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, no IMAP client app?
00:45:11 <SimonRC> how many digits do you use to type?
00:45:13 <ehirdiphone> Gmail web won't budge. The native app just unlined the text.
00:46:57 <SimonRC> I would consider fitaly suitable for a single finger the same way it is for a stylus
00:47:02 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, I ask you to guess why I'm currently in a directory containing 1.6 GB image taken without moving the camera.
00:47:14 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, reading logs is cheating
00:47:59 <AnMaster> it isn't all direct though, I think when I actually transferred it from the camera it was "just" 1 GB
00:48:08 <ehirdiphone> SimonRC: Perhaps. My intense familiarity with QWERTY probably trumps its advantages.
00:48:46 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, that's rather vague. what to do with exposure in that case
00:48:53 <ehirdiphone> I cought the start of that conversation. Didn't get to testing, though, just discussion.
00:49:48 <ehirdiphone> int main(){printf("Hello, world!"); return 0;}
00:50:13 <AnMaster> <ehirdiphone> I cought the start of that conversation. Didn't get to testing, though, just discussion. <-- ?
00:51:54 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, well 1.6 GB is: 4 identical shots (for noise reduction by enfuse to average them) * 10 different shutter speeds
00:52:20 <AnMaster> but there is a lot of tiff images there now
00:53:21 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, it means I'm completely unable to do manual retouching in gimp until the final downsampled to 8 bits stage
00:53:33 <AnMaster> which support this soft of image format
00:54:57 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, becuase this will be a glorious HDR xmas tree when it is done!
00:55:43 <ehirdiphone> That is an answer to "Why are you doing this?", not "Why are you telling me this?",
00:56:41 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, no it isn't to either: "why a HDR xmas tree"
00:57:14 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, as for why I told you: I'm bored watching the slow output
00:57:25 <AnMaster> this takes minutes even on a fast system
00:57:28 <ehirdiphone> Anyone have an opinion on notebook vs desktop?
00:57:39 <AnMaster> so I spent some time talking to you meanwhile
00:58:30 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, actually gimp is still useful. To preview intermediate steps.
00:59:14 <ehirdiphone> I guess nobody has an opinion, then. Toodles for a few minutes.
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00:59:36 <AnMaster> <ehirdiphone> Anyone have an opinion on notebook vs desktop? <-- well
00:59:50 <AnMaster> smaller laptop monitors are irritating for photographic works?
01:35:44 <immibis> i just got this email from a friend: "What would you do for RSA encryption?" That's all there is. What does anyone think I should reply with?
01:40:19 <AnMaster> immibis, is the user computer literate
01:40:56 <pikhq> I'd inform them that I'd implement it in C.
01:40:58 <AnMaster> if windows it could be malware
01:41:35 <AnMaster> weird spam to everyone in address book?
01:41:50 <AnMaster> immibis, "I would kill for RSA, but not for DSA"
01:42:34 <immibis> i think i'll ask them "What would you do for TCP/IP?"
01:42:34 <AnMaster> immibis, actually for RSA I would use some existing library, rather than try to implement it myself
01:42:46 <AnMaster> consider all timing attacks and so on that exists
01:43:36 <SimonRC> amature implementation of cryptography is asking for trouble
01:43:50 <SimonRC> Use a library. Read the docs carefully
01:44:29 <immibis> SimonRC, I don't think motors are involved.
01:44:53 <immibis> He also sent me a pile (not literally) of code and the message "What is wrong with this?"
01:45:01 <immibis> SimonRC: "amature" is closer to "armature" than "amateur"
01:45:44 <AnMaster> armature? Isn't that a light fixture
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01:45:56 <AnMaster> as in, the thing holding the bulb
01:45:57 <immibis> "In electrical engineering, an armature generally refers to one of the two principal electrical components of an electromechanical machine– a motor or generator"
01:46:21 <AnMaster> immibis, the word in Swedish generally refers to the the bit that holds the bulb
01:46:42 <ehirdiphone> http://mrgan.tumblr.com/post/266988205/pandy Sleek. Who needs OpenGL? Someone tell fizzie to see if this works on the N900.
01:46:51 <pikhq> SimonRC: Unless, of course, aforementioned cryptography is intended to keep things secret from centuries-old Eves.
01:48:15 * uorygl notes that he can't have his first name as a nick.
01:49:19 <uorygl> I mean, I can if I get rid of the guy who's using it right now.
01:49:31 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, forgot / or messed up typo correction?
01:50:00 <pikhq> SimonRC: Eve, the eavesdropper.
01:50:11 <ehirdiphone> uorygl: For you, I can only assume that means proving using Bayesian reasoning that they don't exist.
01:50:22 <AnMaster> <ehirdiphone> Nickserv "Ivan" Hope
01:50:51 <uorygl> ehirdiphone: I wonder why you would say that.
01:50:55 <uorygl> Or why I would do that.
01:51:16 <ehirdiphone> uorygl used to identify as ihope, which he backronymmed to Ivan Hope.
01:51:53 <ehirdiphone> uorygl: Because you're too warm and fuzzy to kill.
01:52:23 * uorygl curls up into a warm and fuzzy... roundish thing.
01:54:12 <ehirdiphone> It seems like iPhone's WebKit is good enough to use for really native-feeling apps, thus subverting the app store and getting cool things like automatic updates.
01:55:40 <ehirdiphone> It'd be pong, except flipped so that the sides are top and bottom; played horizontally on an iPhone. Tilting left and right slides the bat.
01:56:24 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, wow that sound cool
01:56:26 <immibis> the sides are the outside and the center, your bat is always wherever down is
01:56:30 <ehirdiphone> The bat is stationary on the screen; tilting moves everything else, thus moving the bat.
01:56:40 <immibis> the ai's bat is smaller of course
01:56:53 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, the combination mostly
01:57:26 <ehirdiphone> Yeah. It'd work best if the iphone was square, though.
01:57:46 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, you could extend it to 3D with... sphere-pong!
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01:58:32 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, I said hypersphere above too
01:58:39 <ehirdiphone> "—And He Built a Crooked Pong Playing Field—"
01:59:24 <ehirdiphone> But seriously, I might do circular tilt pong.
01:59:34 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, you could convert it to circular tiling breakout
02:00:06 <uorygl> I'm still working on my killer app.
02:00:11 <uorygl> I'm sure it'll start killing any month now.
02:00:28 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, good, killing iphone. Android will rule
02:00:44 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, the bricks are in the center
02:01:02 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, your paddle moves around the sphere based on tilting
02:01:09 <AnMaster> you need the bounce the ball all the way around
02:01:21 <ehirdiphone> (android market is open, third party apps easy)
02:01:36 <AnMaster> just to the paddle and the bricks
02:01:54 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, uh. limiting area :P
02:02:01 <Gregor> So, iPhone plus no Apple douchebaggery.
02:02:14 <ehirdiphone> Anyway, that would be insanely difficult to play, AnMaster.
02:02:15 <Gregor> But Apple doesn't know how to do anything without a heavy dose of douchebaggery.
02:02:27 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, would work better in 2D I bet
02:02:47 <Gregor> I didn't say they used the same douchebaggery in every market.
02:03:01 <ehirdiphone> They just fucked this one up. It's gradually showing signs of slowly improving.
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02:03:37 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, I agree with Gregor
02:04:04 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, they don't stop at that
02:04:14 * Gregor huggles sidux on his MacBook.
02:04:16 <AnMaster> they do weird fetishism to the puppies too
02:04:22 <Gregor> Now if I could just get rid of this "MacBook" part.
02:04:42 <Gregor> AnMaster: sidux is a semi-distro of fixes to Debian sid.
02:04:46 <ehirdiphone> Gregor: Here's a dollar, kid; go buy a worse computer.
02:05:08 <Gregor> AnMaster: Basically, it makes sid JUST stable enough to actually use, while still giving it the delicious flavor of Debian.
02:05:11 <ehirdiphone> Just sell the MacBook and buy five laptops with the profit.
02:05:19 <Gregor> ehirdiphone: 'snot mine.
02:05:38 <Gregor> ehirdiphone: The resell value does not make it any more mine :P
02:06:02 <ehirdiphone> iPhone typing is, surprisingly, not instantaneous.
02:06:24 <Gregor> That's because the iPhone's crappy onscreen keyboard is just that :P
02:07:11 <ehirdiphone> It beats the hell out of the incredibly tiny keys that are hard to press and have almost no tactility or error correction.
02:07:48 <ehirdiphone> And I think I am demonstrating rather acceptable speed with it.
02:08:20 <Gregor> I guess I should probably pack sometime.
02:08:24 <Gregor> What with my plane tomorrow.
02:09:12 <pikhq> PACKING IS EDUCATED STUPID!
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02:17:24 <uorygl> The iPhone's keyboard is better than other phones' keyboards? Gee, I didn't know that.
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07:40:23 <oerjan> some kind of readme for the bitchx client, i guess
07:42:04 <augur> so im guessing what this means is that soupdragon is on a nix machine and by default, the bitchx client has that as the quit message
07:42:16 <augur> and somewhere in the readme, probably the end, it says this
07:43:01 <augur> infact, it says this nowhere, it merely lists it
07:43:11 * Sgeo bitches at everyone for no reason other than the mention of bitch in a certain IRC client's name
07:43:24 <Sgeo> Good night all
07:44:22 <Sgeo> I will kill anyone who says any of: pack, struct, structure, cast, garbage
07:44:35 <lament> is the BitchX manual actually a Microsoft Word document?
07:44:58 <Sgeo> Anything beginning with c_
07:45:12 <Sgeo> field and fields
07:50:03 <Sgeo> Good night all
07:50:13 <immibis> remember to declare your struct with __attribute__((packed)), and use the appropriate fields, don't cast them stupidly or you might get garbage in a field
07:50:39 <immibis> oh and don't touch c_unused or your computer will explode
07:50:51 * Sgeo kills immibis then asks if __attribute__ is actually supposed to mean anything
07:51:41 <oerjan> sheesh, Sgeo don't you know you should ask first and kill afterwards?
07:51:46 * immibis (who is barely alive) mumbles with his dying breath "......g...c.........c..............."
07:52:55 <Sgeo> Good night all
07:53:16 * immibis is reanimated by the power of oegs
07:53:40 <Sgeo> How'd you get 4/5ths of my AIM screenname?
07:55:25 <Sgeo> Technically, I typed this in forwards.
07:55:42 <Sgeo> And it might appear forwards to some people.
07:56:06 * oerjan assumes that's a unicode right-to-left mark thing
07:56:43 <Sgeo> It's somewhat unstable when selected
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08:52:25 <MizardX> Hmm... mIRC doesn't do RTL. "left-to-right/right-to-left/left-to-right" displays as "left-to-right/right-to-left/left-to-right", when it should be displayed as "left-to-right/tfel-ot-thgir/left-to-right".
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10:52:25 <AnMaster> <uorygl> The iPhone's keyboard is better than other phones' keyboards? Gee, I didn't know that. <-- what about those phones that you can open in a way similar to a laptop?
10:52:45 <AnMaster> those having a screen and a tiny qwerty keyboard inside
10:52:53 <AnMaster> was years since I last saw one of them
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15:17:29 <Gregor> <AnMaster> was years since I last saw one of them
15:17:38 <Gregor> They're all slide-out now, but it's fundamentally the same.
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17:18:59 <oerjan> D&D cuts a little close today
17:19:31 <AnMaster> oerjan, you said we jumped the shark. Agreed. I think we should stop the contest
17:19:45 <AnMaster> however I do have to say it was so long ago I read them I forgot them
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17:20:33 <oerjan> james stud flushes down the drain...
17:21:58 <oerjan> i thought that was obvious...
17:22:16 <oerjan> anyway, guillotine blades
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18:10:18 <alegend> By the way, yes I'm the guy who wrote Minimal-2D.
18:10:48 <oerjan> soupdragon: you probably should change your irc quit message ;)
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18:11:32 <oerjan> it's a message that gets sent to the channels you're on whenever you quit
18:13:06 * oerjan will shut up now. if he understood that correctly.
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18:28:19 <alegend> Well, it IS easy to make an infinite loop.
18:33:06 <soupdragon> I hope oerjan didn't take me as rude :(
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18:47:47 <alegend> Ya know, I wonder if somebody could do modulo in Minimal-2D.
18:52:14 <alegend> If you do integer division, the remainder is what you get from the modulo operation.
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20:06:26 <pikhq> Why, that's not lambda!
20:07:17 <soupdragon> HaskellLove what other nick dids did you use?
20:08:05 <soupdragon> it's interesting how I keep seeing you
20:11:13 <pikhq> There's a #haskell-dude channel?
20:12:07 <osaunders> HaskellLove: I know a guy who's trying to design a better general purpose language and he's never been to university.
20:12:47 <osaunders> The other general purpose languages
20:12:56 <soupdragon> so like the next ruby or python or ...?
20:12:57 <HaskellLove> osaunders yeah usualy good stuff comes from guys like that because when you are in college you have no time for else but college
20:13:46 <HaskellLove> can you give me contact i might ask him for cooperation if he finds me useful which i think he will
20:13:55 <osaunders> The next object-oriented general purpose language. There are a lot of quite original ideas but it borrows from J, Forth and SmallTalk.
20:14:33 <HaskellLove> osaunders I will study lot of languages in 2010 so... i can help him he can help me...
20:14:59 <osaunders> HaskellLove: You can consider me a contact to him because once he open-sources the language I'll very likely be a contributor. I worked with him on the design of a previous implementation of his language.
20:15:19 <osaunders> He hasn't open-sourced yet because he's using it in a startup.
20:15:40 <HaskellLove> I see... well I will hang on #haskell if anything comes up let me know ok?
20:16:06 <soupdragon> HaskellLove where are you going in programming languages?
20:16:17 <osaunders> Yeah. I'm olliesaunders on twitter if we lose touch.
20:16:20 <HaskellLove> although i dont see why he would open source it, if he has that original ideas... or the open source thing will be limited? so that people cant touch the core?
20:17:10 <osaunders> HaskellLove: I think people accept that for a language to be successful it might be free and open-source.
20:17:14 <HaskellLove> osaunders well i am same name on #haskell so :)
20:18:02 <soupdragon> I try not to let the language barrier lead me to think foreign people like HaskellLove are stupid, but I keep getting data which tells me otherwise
20:18:16 <HaskellLove> osaunders man who da fuck are you why do you bother me
20:19:31 <HaskellLove> osaunders does not he worry of big companies stealing? or other language freaks like me ? :) if i let it open source i would not let them touch the core
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20:20:28 <osaunders> Right now you only have my word that this is actually a language worthy of anyone's attention.
20:20:51 <HaskellLove> ok i will get back to work you have anything let me know... take care
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20:24:40 <osaunders> Is there a channel dedicated to programming language design?
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20:25:46 <osaunders> I thought it might just been for discussing existing esoteric languages. But I suppose esoteric languages are all about programming language design anyway.
20:27:18 <soupdragon> right now not much in this area but I am learning some basics toward quantum computation
20:29:56 <soupdragon> yeah I gather that people have built some small prototypes
20:30:09 <soupdragon> but on the otherhand, lots of stuff is a quantum computer
20:30:19 <AnMaster> <osaunders> I thought it might just been for discussing existing esoteric languages. But I suppose esoteric languages are all about programming language design anyway. <-- well yes esolangs
20:30:25 <soupdragon> it just seems to be the way the world works
20:30:32 <AnMaster> doesn't prevent lots of off topic stuff
20:31:25 <osaunders> Imagine a world where I could use some of my own poo to compute something.
20:36:01 <osaunders> Yeah. I like to "go there" sometimes.
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20:41:41 <Sgeo> I tried it once
20:41:50 <Sgeo> I remember little
20:42:08 <soupdragon> it's so cool, I like watching documentaries about APL too
20:43:56 <osaunders> I haven't looked at those two. I'm interested in how they compare to J.
20:45:31 <osaunders> J is the successor to APL so I always figured J > APL.
20:46:02 <osaunders> Given they are designed by the same person.
20:59:31 <uorygl> As far as I know, there are no quantum computers in the universe using more than, oh, a dozen qubits.
21:01:02 <uorygl> One qubit = infinitely many states, actually.
21:01:26 <soupdragon> dozen qubits = infinitely^12 different states
21:01:57 <uorygl> But I'm quite sure there's a theorem stating that you can't store more than n bits using n qubits, so it doesn't really matter how many states there are.
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21:22:44 <Sgeo> <r******> Sgeo: what is with the esolang logo?
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21:39:06 * pikhq attempts to build an SVN snapshot of GCC
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22:26:27 <madbrain> You get 400 memory accesses per scanline (8 bit). Design a computer system.
22:32:15 <madbrain> You can do better than that ;;
22:33:06 <madbrain> Like, it can't even play music or show bitmaps
22:33:25 <pikhq> Yes it can. Just not very well.
22:34:12 <pikhq> You have the ability to use arbitrary sprites, and can change those sprites.
22:34:16 <pikhq> Thus, you can display bitmaps.
22:34:22 <pikhq> Just... Painfully.
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22:39:23 <ehirdiphone> the block with HaskellDude in http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.12.20 is the longest epidemic of empty stupidity this channel has seen in a while.
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22:41:30 <ehirdiphone> Anyone involved in something with influences from Smalltalk and J is cool in my book.
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23:01:11 <oerjan> <soupdragon> I hope oerjan didn't take me as rude :(
23:01:19 <oerjan> no no, just evil, despicable...
23:01:27 <oerjan> or something like that
23:01:53 <AnMaster> way to go with vendor lock in: provide standard DC connector
23:02:01 <AnMaster> but don't specify what voltage or anything
23:07:37 <AnMaster> oerjan, do you have vlc installed?
23:07:53 <AnMaster> this happens on my desktop and my laptop
23:09:18 * oerjan has this strange feeling of being used as an ehird/ais523 surrogate, here. that is _not_ going to work, btw.
23:10:11 <AnMaster> oerjan, and fizzie is gone too
23:10:34 <AnMaster> in fact: where the heck is everyone
23:10:37 <oerjan> except possibly for the tomteluva part. at least i understand what it means. but i'm not sure if it has a name in english. (santa cap/hat?)
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23:11:30 <ehirdiphone> AnMaster: Vlc changes icon for Xmas I believe
23:11:44 <ehirdiphone> oerjan: AnMaster just needs someone to love!
23:12:36 <ehirdiphone> You still attach yourself to those you hate upon occasion.
23:12:53 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, depends. I don't hate you. I just dislike you
23:13:45 <ehirdiphone> Yet, you expect me to engage in friendly, or at least neutral, banter with you on whatever random topic you choose, often.
23:15:09 <ehirdiphone> I use this channel as a bit of a mass broadcast mechanism often.
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23:18:10 <oerjan> it's a dragon for making soup of, obviously. but he should be safe until we find a recipe.
23:18:16 <ehirdiphone> soupdragon: I contend you are neither soup nor a dragon.
23:18:59 <ehirdiphone> I am ehird but not an iPhone; I am therefore infinity% more honest than you.
23:20:50 <oerjan> he's a soupdragon, that's just the fax
23:22:59 * oerjan gives Rembane some oats
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23:24:30 * oerjan learns about "snel hest"
23:24:42 <oerjan> so is this essentially swedish lolhorse?
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23:24:56 <uorygl> I can't tell how honest my nick is.
23:25:15 <oerjan> uorygl: well i have my doubts you're actually an australian animal
23:25:16 <uorygl> Wait, it's a respelling of "warrigal". So it's... totally 100% honest.
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23:27:24 <oerjan> <osaunders> Is there a channel dedicated to programming language design?
23:27:40 <oerjan> i vaguely recall hearing about one. or maybe that was oses
23:29:51 <oerjan> of course it's been done here, even non-esoteric ones (Gregor's plof comes to mind)
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23:31:48 <osaunders> This seems like a cool place I'm going to hang out here for a while.
23:33:36 <Rembane> I've heard some language design discussions on #haskell, but they tend to be quite haskellspecific
23:33:58 <osaunders> I'm learning Haskell because I want to write a language.
23:34:21 <osaunders> Also I don't feel qualified to implement a language without a reasonable grasp of the FP paradigm.
23:36:48 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube
23:37:12 <soupdragon> fungot, put the blue pyramid ontop of the green cylinder
23:37:13 <fungot> soupdragon: i admit my ideas might not interest most people use the term " closure"
23:38:03 <oerjan> fungot, feed the bleen sphere to the grue
23:38:03 <fungot> oerjan: it seems like a big dumbass untill something suddenly clicks, and then adds 1 in front.
23:38:40 <oerjan> fungot: and then it looks like a big dumbass with 1 in front
23:38:41 <fungot> oerjan: you said the t word!) the template takes care of individual instructions into multi-character code will function how you expect it to
23:38:59 <oerjan> fungot: then then then then
23:39:00 <fungot> oerjan: ( the acknowledgements, not as a statement on the implementation you're using. you'd have one configuration file, and
23:40:41 <fungot> Rembane: wait a moment, the only difference is that! people don't even consider its technical merit when they see list.length ( because they know anything about fnord windows at all can be useful for
23:40:59 <Rembane> fungot: I quite agree with that. But what about Eliza?
23:41:00 <fungot> Rembane: and i just like for things to happen.'
23:41:24 <Rembane> fungot: I think you're quite right when it comes to Eliza.
23:41:25 <fungot> Rembane: sexps are enough to make it much easier
23:41:31 <oerjan> fungot used to be with Eliza but they had a nasty breakup
23:41:32 <fungot> oerjan: does that interpreter extend to the language
23:41:50 <fungot> Rembane: even if our brain works slower, but still
23:41:59 <fungot> http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
23:42:04 <Rembane> fungot: Not enough muscles eh?
23:42:04 <fungot> Rembane: gimp is a bitch to read
23:42:25 <pikhq> osaunders: I'd like to note that Haskell is probably the nicest language to implement a language in.
23:42:36 <immibis> fungot: what is the nicest language to implement a language in?
23:42:37 <fungot> immibis: no special commands?)
23:42:49 <immibis> fungot, it shouldn't have special commands?
23:42:50 <fungot> immibis: but that's not godwin is it? :) ( i'm attracted to these types of problems)
23:42:54 <osaunders> pikhq: Oh yes, people on #haskell like to make that known.
23:42:56 <oerjan> pikhq: lightyears ahead of the competition
23:43:15 <Rembane> An IRC bot built in Brainfuck?!
23:43:16 <pikhq> Parsec *alone* makes it much nicer.
23:43:24 <pikhq> Rembane: No, built in Befunge.
23:43:26 <immibis> funogot seems more comprehensible than last time i tried talking to it
23:43:47 <Rembane> oerjan, pikhq: Oh. Thanks.
23:44:05 <Rembane> What about Parrot and building languages?
23:45:04 <pikhq> Parrot is just something for your compiler to target.
23:45:22 <pikhq> Can be used with any language, really.
23:45:23 <pikhq> (some more easily than others, mind)
23:45:39 * oerjan wonders if pikhq noticed the pun
23:47:56 <soupdragon> oerjan I thought it was the official slogan
23:51:51 <oerjan> soupdragon: it is? well it could be
23:52:44 <oerjan> google shows up some hits
23:54:06 <oerjan> hey, not just haskell either: http://www.theparsecgroup.com/ (warning: hype)
23:54:43 <oerjan> osaunders: funge98 may very well be the most useful esoteric language, with all its extensions
23:55:35 <oerjan> it just looks like one :D
23:56:33 <osaunders> Who writes these esolangs? Students?
23:58:47 <oerjan> actually it doesn't look like it is the official slogan for the parsec library. but it's been thought of.
23:59:27 <osaunders> Has anyone written anything in Funge98 here?
23:59:49 <oerjan> fizzie wrote fungot but he's not here at the moment
23:59:50 <fungot> oerjan: transactions are publications that stand in their own module