00:00:42 <augur> i want an autotracking telescope :|
00:12:05 <uorygl> AnMaster: make sure you put a diaeresis over the å in gigaångstrom.
00:12:46 <uorygl> It'll be one of those words containig both a diaeresis and an umlaut!
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00:54:18 <augur> any ideas yet on how to make a name not be a predicate? :P
00:57:18 <uorygl> Yes, but I refuse to tell you! :-P
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02:42:19 <ehirdiphone> AnMaster: insulting others does not make oneself arrogant.
02:43:45 <ehirdiphone> Lets you find source, larger version, uncropped version, etc.
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02:44:49 <ehirdiphone> Think music fingerprinting a la MusicBrainz.
02:46:58 <ehirdiphone> Minimum 100 pixels in either dimension, max 1 MiB, 100 searches a day. YMMV.
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02:58:30 <AnMaster> <uorygl> It'll be one of those words containig both a diaeresis and an umlaut! <-- no
02:58:53 <AnMaster> they are not just "a with dots/ring"
02:58:59 <AnMaster> they are separate letters in the alphabet
02:59:19 <AnMaster> it's like saying the dot over "i" is just some kind of similar thing
02:59:40 <AnMaster> <uorygl> It'll be one of those words containig both a diaeresis and an umlaut! <-- also there are lots of such words
03:00:36 <AnMaster> <ehirdiphone> Minimum 100 pixels in either dimension, max 1 MiB, 100 searches a day. YMMV. <-- cool btw
03:00:58 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, meh you know what I meant
03:01:12 * AnMaster waits for a few seconds just in case
03:01:31 <AnMaster> ehirdiphone, also here is something funny about how crazy Sweden used to be: http://europeanhistory.about.com/library/bldyk2.htm
03:01:40 <AnMaster> not sure about how true this is
03:03:54 <ehirdiphone> about.com is pretty accurate on objective matters
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04:05:41 <uorygl> < AnMaster> uorygl, because they are not
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10:59:28 <AnMaster> <AnMaster> <uorygl> It'll be one of those words containig both a diaeresis and an umlaut! <-- no
10:59:28 <AnMaster> <AnMaster> uorygl, because they are not
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11:00:04 <AnMaster> uorygl, those letters are not a or o with dots
11:00:12 <AnMaster> uorygl, they are in fact separate letters
11:00:18 <AnMaster> as in they have a place in the alphabet
11:01:15 <AnMaster> (and Swedish only has w in imported words + a few family names, most of which are not native ones iirc)
11:02:37 <uorygl> Oh. The ö in ångström isn't an o with an umlaut?
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12:47:33 <MizardX> ö in swedish is always o with umlaut/diaeresis
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17:08:27 <AnMaster> <uorygl> Oh. The ö in ångström isn't an o with an umlaut? <-- nor is the a an a with a "diaeresis" or whatever you called it
17:10:05 <AnMaster> <MizardX> ö in swedish is always o with umlaut/diaeresis <-- is e and é separate letters? Not in any language I know of (but I don't exclude this may happen). Rather é seems to be "e with modifier"
17:10:57 <AnMaster> but ö is not "o with a modifier" in Swedish, It's a separate letter.
17:11:04 <AnMaster> most people seem to get this wrong
17:11:46 <oerjan> hm i _think_ e and é may be separate in hungarian. let me check...
17:13:21 <oerjan> hm yeah. not for collation though.
17:16:41 <oerjan> czech does not consider them truly different, iiuc from wikipedia
17:16:50 <Deewiant> Phonological umlaut exists in most Germanic languages, including Swedish and even in English plurals: goose/geese, for example.
17:17:10 <Deewiant> The diacritic ¨ no longer represents umlaut or even diaeresis (e.g. English "coöperate") in most of these languages: mostly the letters äöü were borrowed into the alphabet from German because they sounded similar.
17:17:38 <oerjan> so, whether to treat such things as separate letters or not is completely arbitrary by language
17:17:41 <Deewiant> Wikipedia tells me that Swedish did originally use ä and ö specifically for umlaut purposes, though.
17:20:07 <oerjan> well iirc those sounds originated mainly from umlaut in what used to be a/o/u in front of i's in old nordic
17:22:47 <oerjan> there were also other processes in front of u and a. e.g. e -> ja in front of a
17:23:33 <oerjan> (in norwegian that only happens in some dialects. thus nynorsk "eg" == bokmål "jeg" == swedish "jag" == english "I"
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19:56:01 <zzo38> Are any people on here today? I can see the log
19:56:18 <zzo38> O, it is the same timezone that I am at
19:56:31 <zzo38> The server TIME command also gives the same timezone
19:59:32 <ais523> I'm here, but about to leave
19:59:48 <zzo38> http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Challenge_Ruleset_%283.5e_Variant_Rule%29
20:00:43 <zzo38> Those people won't provide the address cloak I asked.
20:00:56 <zzo38> So, I choose not to address cloak, instead
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20:10:47 <zzo38> Is "Challenge Ruleset" any good?
20:12:09 <ais523> most D&D groups don't stick to rules so strongly
20:12:24 <ais523> normally the wait to see what works and what doesn't work for them, and just change it round on the fly
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20:14:04 <zzo38> Yes, I'm not suggesting you do stick to rules too strongly
20:14:20 <zzo38> I'm suggesting something a bit different, these are possibly guidelines of game rules
20:14:29 <pikhq> With D&D 3.5, it's impossible to stick to the rules strongly...
20:14:30 <pikhq> Much of the rules are not well-defined.
20:15:36 <zzo38> You are not meant to stick to the rules strongly
20:15:43 <zzo38> Which is good and proper
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20:16:29 <pikhq> Well, that's an interesting parting message.
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