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00:02:44 * Sgeo wonders if it might be nicer to have them implement HQ9+ instead
00:04:00 * pikhq may need to write a very efficient HQ9+ compiler. :P
00:04:23 <fizzie> Nah. With bf, they'll get a feeling of accomplishment after getting it to run a hello world proggie.
00:05:05 <fizzie> Or at least they should. If they don't, they're somehow defective, and you should return them to the manufacturer.
00:05:05 <pikhq> Precompute the entire output string!
00:06:44 <Sgeo> fizzie, I'm [probably] not going to ask them to implement []
00:06:54 <Sgeo> Also, only one person will actually complete it, so..
00:06:57 <Sgeo> [it's a contest]
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00:28:44 <pikhq> ... Why did I just write that?
00:28:58 <pikhq> http://sprunge.us/KDge
00:29:03 <pikhq> It precomputes the string.
00:31:49 <pikhq> Stupidest compiler ever.
00:35:25 <EgoBot> Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc drawl dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg
00:35:48 <pikhq> AKA stupid language.
00:35:49 <EgoBot> Unknown command 'u'. Legal commands are:
00:36:22 <pikhq> I was about to tell you where the Esolang page was.
00:36:28 <pikhq> Then I saw that you wrote it.
00:37:13 <oerjan> well at least i don't have alzheimer's
00:37:16 <pikhq> I think I love the X command.
00:38:12 * pikhq would be heavily tempted to make that command load the rest of the file into memory *and call it*.
00:38:30 <nooga> !swedish i think i'll be going to sleep now
00:38:31 <EgoBot> i theenk i'll be-a gueeng tu sleep noo
00:38:59 <oerjan> `translatefromto en sv swedish my ass
00:40:30 <Sgeo> For perspective: For a programming contest that went on for a week or so, involving the incredibly arduous task of making a script that compiles all .cpp files in a directory, outputting the name of each file and any errors to a certain file, my entry was the FIRST one
00:41:06 <Sgeo> pikhq, sarcasm
00:41:23 <pikhq> I was a bit worried otherwise.
00:41:57 <Sgeo> Although I did end up kind of relying on a trick involving piping the results of a find ... -print into a while loop
00:42:12 <Sgeo> -exec was being a pain
00:50:25 <Sgeo> DAMMIT, I'M TRYING TO POST "VALUABLE" INFO TO REDDIT, AND IT'S NOT HAPPENING
00:51:03 <oerjan> their spam filter is _such_ a bitch...
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13:04:16 <Phantom_Hoover> It annoys me hugely that what the Irish call cheesecakes do not, in fact, have any cheese in them.
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13:04:41 <Phantom_Hoover> They are a pastry thing with sponge in them, with jam in the bottom.
13:05:38 * oerjan looks at xkcd's color survey and realizes his childhood room was rather close to the unsure-whether-boy-or-girl baby room color
13:06:36 <oerjan> they are really just cheesy cakes, then?
13:07:20 <lereah_> My room as a kid was a blue wallpaper with animals on it
13:08:07 <Phantom_Hoover> I can't remember what colour the walls in my room were.
13:08:08 <oerjan> that's the stereotypical boy color, lereah_
13:08:27 <Phantom_Hoover> I suspect that there may have been an Owl and the Pussycat decoration on them, though.
13:08:46 <Phantom_Hoover> And they were yellow when I left that house, but they had been repainted.
13:09:22 <oerjan> i've probably repressed the repaintings
13:10:51 <oerjan> lereah_: aka the stereotypical girl color.
13:11:03 <oerjan> but maybe france is different
13:11:23 <oerjan> (that last comment made no sense)
13:11:35 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: i know, i've read that it switched
13:13:30 <Phantom_Hoover> I seem to have a lower degree of precision in colour names than most.
13:13:52 <lereah_> I think I have a photo of that wallpaper
13:14:15 <lereah_> http://membres.multimania.fr/bewulf/CAT/CAT2.jpg
13:15:04 <oerjan> lereah_: very realistic painted animals, there
13:15:08 <Phantom_Hoover> The disproportionate colour names for males and females are good for a joke, but fall down easily if you think about it.
13:15:45 <lereah_> oerjan : They were made of colored squares
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13:16:36 * oerjan had some of those Mr. books, in norwegian of course
13:16:54 <oerjan> well technically may still have them stored away
13:17:57 <lereah_> But did you have the kittens
13:18:20 <oerjan> no. there was a dog at one time, he had to be put down, the bastards.
13:18:34 <oerjan> (he attacked another dog iirc)
13:19:52 <HackEgo> * Qui jouit du bonheur, qui possde ce qui peut le rendre content; Se dit la condition, de la situation, de la vie de celui qui est heureux ... \ [22]fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/heureux \ * En parlant d'un homme heureux : "Il est n coiff." On ne sait pas ce que a signifie, et l'interlocuteur non plus.
13:19:58 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
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13:23:25 <oerjan> `translatefromto no en die
13:24:02 <oerjan> it means what babies do when they get milk from their mothers
13:24:23 <oerjan> `translatefromto no en rolig
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13:24:44 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: famous swedish-norwegian false friend
13:25:17 <oerjan> `translatefromto no en pule
13:25:25 <oerjan> `translatefromto sv en pula
13:25:38 <oerjan> hm that may be hard to translate
13:25:45 <oerjan> it's completely innocent though
13:26:31 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: you! take! we find! but you are true heros. the world, tee, hee! it's not the only one thing we need to defeat you, lavos.
13:26:34 <oerjan> something like mess around
13:26:57 * oerjan isn't actually sure himself
13:27:12 <EgoBot> help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
13:29:33 <fungot> oerjan: that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone
13:30:00 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: but, we are far outnumbered! it's cyrus! run away for now!!! after them!
13:30:10 <fungot> http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
13:30:15 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
13:30:49 <EgoBot> help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
13:30:49 <oerjan> HackEgo doesn't really have that much in the way of esolangs, i think
13:31:00 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
13:31:11 <oerjan> although anybody could put one there
13:31:17 <HackEgo> bin \ cube2.base64 \ cube2.jpg \ hack_gregor \ hello.txt \ help.txt \ huh \ netcat-0.7.1 \ netcat-0.7.1.tar.gz \ out.txt \ paste \ poetry.txt \ quotes \ share \ test.sh \ tmpdir.18591 \ wunderbar_emporium \ wunderbar_emporium-3.tgz \ wunderbar_emporium-3.tgz.1
13:31:25 <HackEgo> ? \ addquote \ calc \ commands \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ google \ helpme \ imdb \ karma \ marco \ minifind \ paste \ ping \ quote \ rec \ roll \ runfor \ sayhi \ strfile \ swedish \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ unstr \ url \ wolfram
13:32:30 <oerjan> possibly wolfram alpha have changed their format since last the command was used...
13:32:57 <oerjan> Gregor cannot keep up with a site that doesn't _want_ people to script it...
13:33:07 <oerjan> without a lot of work, anyway
13:33:31 <oerjan> (in fact it's against their TOS iirc (vaguely))
13:35:32 <HackEgo> Sep 18, 2008 ... Edited: This is not an improper integral, because the integral of 5/x is 5 ln [ abs(x)] = 5 ln abs(-7) - 5 ln abs(2) = 5 ln (7) - 5 ln (2) ... Well, the function ...
13:35:45 <HackEgo> bin/creatures: Bourne-Again shell script text executable
13:36:06 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: it's just google, not that advanced mathematically
13:36:11 <oerjan> but it has units and stuff
13:36:25 <HackEgo> 1 U.S. dollar = 0.770950582 Euros
13:36:44 <oerjan> i just wondered what creatures _was_
13:36:51 <HackEgo> #!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'Look up what?' \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ QUERY=`echo -n "$1" | od -t x1 -A n -w1000 | tr " " %` \ \ lynx --cfg=/dev/null --lss=/dev/null \ \ --dump --width=1000 'http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/'"$QUERY" | \ grep -A 100 'Jump to:' | \ tail -n +3 | \ sed 's/ */ /g'
13:38:25 <oerjan> i may have to use my browser to find that out :(
13:39:01 <oerjan> "Welcome to the Creatures Wiki - a place where you can find out about the Creatures artificial life games, and ..."
13:39:15 <oerjan> find out what kind of creatures the creatures command looks up
13:41:55 <oerjan> it's because we don't have world communism, duh
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15:16:43 <nooga> they decommissioned last Odra 1305 (Polish mainframe computer) after 34 years of continuous work without any malfunctions
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15:21:23 <nooga> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0RVj9GbIL0 behold
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15:27:55 <Gregor> Y'know, the whole idea of HackEgo is that I don't HAVE to keep up, ANYBODY can keep up if they want to :P
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15:33:24 <Gregor> Phantom_Hoover, oerjan (not here): ^^^
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16:32:45 <nooga> odra odra 1305 is so awesome
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17:15:54 <P4> taka odra byla w GZE w latach 70-tych, a moze podobna :)
17:16:24 <P4> a moze 80-tych
17:16:24 * P4 nie pamieta
17:21:45 <P4> just wondering do you guys know brainfuck mIRC script (:
17:23:29 * pikhq makes a witty observation regarding your mother and a nunnery
17:23:30 <P4> it should parse and execute bf code after triggering it using !brainfuck <code> by apropriate users
17:24:09 <pikhq> Might I suggest the Egoest of the Bots?
17:24:13 <pikhq> Or perhaps Fungot?
17:24:25 <fungot> pikhq: the masamune!!! the monster who kidnapped the princess to the castle! and letting these...hoodlums in here? traitors like you deserve from heckran! ha!
17:24:26 <P4> could you provide an example of bf code, please? :)
17:25:37 <pikhq> !bf >-[<->+++++++]<-.>++++[<+++++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>----[<+++>----]<.------------.>--[<->---]<+.--------.+++.------.--------.>----[<+++>----]<.>------[<---->+]<+.
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17:36:41 <nooga> P4: i've never seen you here
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18:02:50 <P4> i have been here maybe once. is that a problem? (:
18:19:06 <EgoBot> help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
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18:35:28 <fizzie> Works at least on my tr, though quotation can always mess stuff up.
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18:36:18 <pikhq> Phantom_Hoover: It has a C *compiler*. :)
18:40:37 <pikhq> It attempts to compile, if it fails, it wraps in includes and int main(){}.
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20:22:52 <Phantom_Hoover> Is there a name for the set of numbers a+bi, where a, b are in N?
20:24:27 <Gregor> Naturally complex numbers ;)
20:25:12 <Phantom_Hoover> And when a and b are in Z they're integrally complex numbers?
20:26:37 <Phantom_Hoover> Which leads to the logical name for when a and b are in R: really complex numbers.
20:27:34 <Gregor> How about when a and b are in C?
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20:40:12 <Phantom_Hoover> Weird... When I ask Sage to plot sin(x)/x it just shows a parabola.
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21:17:31 <oerjan> <Phantom_Hoover> And when a and b are in Z they're integrally complex numbers?
21:17:39 <oerjan> that's known as gaussian integers
21:17:57 <oerjan> i don't recall a name for when they're also positive
21:18:12 <oerjan> gaussian integers in the first quadrant, perhaps
21:21:45 <oerjan> <Gregor> Y'know, the whole idea of HackEgo is that I don't HAVE to keep up, ANYBODY can keep up if they want to :P
21:21:55 <oerjan> yeah but i'm lazier than thou so THERE
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21:24:53 <oerjan> <Phantom_Hoover> Oh, it seems to be stripping multiple lines.
21:25:11 <oerjan> actually EgoBot tries to send the remaining lines as DCC
22:02:12 <oerjan> it's a protocol for communicating directly between irc clients without going through the server. iiuc.
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22:03:40 <oerjan> in my client you need to accept the connection before seeing any text (i've added EgoBot to the automatic accept list)
22:05:12 <fizzie> Do any of the web clients do DCC?
22:05:32 <oerjan> i vaguely believe this is for security reasons, not all DCC commands are safe or something
22:06:22 <oerjan> hm ircii is what i used before, that's a really old client. although maybe it's still developed.
22:06:34 <oerjan> well irssi is probably really old too
22:06:48 <oerjan> but more advanced than ircii was
22:06:48 <fizzie> Not as old as ircii, though.
22:07:14 <fizzie> There's the epic4 branch of ircii too, I wonder if that's still alive.
22:08:13 <oerjan> they're both terminal-based, not gui
22:08:47 * Phantom_Hoover is trying out Empathy, and it's even worse than ChatZilla
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22:10:57 <oerjan> /set dcc_autochat_masks = EgoBot is the option i used
22:11:14 <oerjan> /set dcc_autochat_masks EgoBot
22:12:11 <HackEgo> bin \ cube2.base64 \ cube2.jpg \ hack_gregor \ hello.txt \ help.txt \ huh \ netcat-0.7.1 \ netcat-0.7.1.tar.gz \ out.txt \ paste \ poetry.txt \ quotes \ share \ test.sh \ tmpdir.24589 \ wunderbar_emporium \ wunderbar_emporium-3.tgz \ wunderbar_emporium-3.tgz.1
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22:12:34 <oerjan> HackEgo doesn't use DCC, it just puts \ between
22:13:31 <oerjan> try something like !show slashes
22:13:35 <EgoBot> perl (sending via DCC)
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22:16:18 <oerjan> the /server add command can be used to set up passwords and autoconnections
22:17:34 <Phantom_Hoover> It's even confusinger, mainly as I can't find any docs.
22:19:13 <oerjan> /help certainly works here
22:19:33 <oerjan> however: do you now see Act: in the lower status bar?
22:20:01 <oerjan> that's the number of another window probably containing your help message
22:20:11 <oerjan> press alt-number to change to it
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22:20:52 <oerjan> i guess irssi has a bit of a learning curve :)
22:21:05 <fizzie> Or esc-number if alt won't work. I ran into meta-challenged terms so often at one point that I now use esc instead of alt all the time.
22:21:17 <oerjan> and i still use just the bare minimum myself
22:21:21 <fizzie> There are a number of irssi tutorials.
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22:21:40 <phantomhoover> The learning curve of something flattens at how hard it is to find the docs.
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22:21:58 <fizzie> Our university has several, on web-pages of courses that have an official channel.
22:23:01 <fizzie> http://irssi.org/documentation has a "startup HOWTO".
22:23:59 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: ah, /window show <number> to get it in a split screen
22:24:34 <oerjan> alt-up or alt-down then changes between them
22:24:55 * oerjan makes no claim that this is the most efficient method
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23:00:27 <nooga> !sadbf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>.
23:01:50 <fizzie> Is there a BF in hackego? If not, maybe someone should put one in, to act as a sort of a lowest-common-denominator language.
23:02:05 <fizzie> Is there a BF in hackego? If not, maybe someone should put one in, to act as a sort of a lowest-common-denominator language.
23:02:11 <fizzie> Two bfbots is a bit little.
23:02:42 <HackEgo> ? \ addquote \ calc \ commands \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ google \ helpme \ imdb \ karma \ marco \ minifind \ paste \ ping \ quote \ rec \ roll \ runfor \ sayhi \ strfile \ swedish \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ unstr \ url \ wolfram
23:03:18 <Ilari> fizzie: BTW: apt-get address preference thingie was not just apt-get, it was getaddrinfo. Fixed by making label and perecedence of 6to4 be the same as percendence and label of general IPv6.
23:03:34 <oerjan> i think that's a wiki lookup
23:03:38 <nooga> how is HackEgo built?
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23:08:07 <augur> are elections today?
23:08:37 <coppro> http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5008/125/
23:08:53 <nooga> guys, where are the graphs showing oerjan's sleep hours ? :D
23:10:26 <nooga> fizzie: where are those pretty graphs?
23:13:18 <nooga> fizzie fizzie fizzie
23:13:47 <oerjan> seems he has fizzled out
23:15:06 <fizzie> I don't have very new graphs of anything.
23:15:53 <nooga> how about old ones?
23:16:35 <fizzie> http://zem.fi/~fis/test7.png
23:16:54 <fizzie> Also some other numbers than 7 for other styles.
23:17:33 <pikhq> I have regular sleeping hours. Who knew.
23:17:41 <fizzie> And the times are probably Finnish localtime; EET/EEST.
23:18:17 <nooga> I see Alise's school hours
23:18:32 <pikhq> Only a 5 hours range I've *not* been around in. :P
23:19:12 <pikhq> And oerjan and oklopol never sleep.
23:20:18 <Gregor> nooga: http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/
23:20:18 <fizzie> And good is always vigilant.
23:20:35 <fizzie> The test6 graph has absolute values, as opposed to relative fraction of all talk at a given time like test7 does.
23:21:31 <pikhq> Oklopol still doesn't sleep.
23:22:29 <nooga> what was that cool functional forth-like language that everybody was talking about some time ago (trollface)
23:22:53 <pikhq> Functional... Forth-like?
23:23:12 <nooga> hmmm, it had a stack
23:23:12 <pikhq> The only thing I know of that fits that description is Reverse Polish Lisp.
23:23:27 <nooga> it was much like it
23:25:24 <oerjan> ^ul ((Underload)~:aSS)(Underload)~:aSS
23:25:24 <fungot> ((Underload)~:aSS)(Underload)~:aSS
23:35:45 <coppro> time to complain to MPs :(
23:37:27 <oerjan> coppro: isn't it a little late to complain when they're being replaced?
23:37:51 <oerjan> or wait you were canadian, n... right
23:38:09 * oerjan got confused when you answered when the uk election was
23:38:18 <oerjan> CLEARLY ONLY A BRIT WOULD KNOW
23:40:10 <nooga> i think i'll implement underload-like lang in Verilog
23:40:35 <nooga> since i've got FPGA dev board
23:41:04 <nooga> it could be a nice exercise before building machine lisp
23:41:09 <coppro> oerjan: Some of us care about current events worldwide, even!
23:42:08 <nooga> how about the death of Polish president, all high generals + some government ppl
23:42:19 <oerjan> nooga: that's SO last month
23:42:21 <nooga> that was an event!
23:42:34 <hiato> What lang is hackbot written in?
23:42:57 <nooga> i cant imagine how stupid you must be to put all vips along with high command in one plane
23:43:07 <oerjan> hiato: something non-esoteric, i assume
23:43:16 <hiato> oerjan: aaah, oh well
23:44:17 <oerjan> hiato: it's a linux inside a jail with mercury versioning
23:44:37 <hiato> oerjan: how is that non-esoteric? :P
23:44:49 <oerjan> hiato: well it doesn't use an esolang afaik
23:45:49 <oerjan> nooga: i recall the other polish vip plane was grounded for repairs?
23:47:18 <nooga> they could hire some planes from polish airlines
23:47:28 <oerjan> but yeah _someone_ should win a darwin award for that one
23:47:44 <coppro> Anyone know the proper address for an MP?
23:47:49 <coppro> Dear Honorable Member?
23:48:11 <nooga> 00:43 < oerjan> hiato: it's a linux inside a jail with mercury versioning
23:48:16 <nooga> what kind of jail?
23:48:34 <oerjan> nooga: i don't remember
23:48:56 <hiato> coppro: Dear Hon. N. Clegg, MP
23:49:07 <oerjan> nooga: it has a custom libc
23:49:52 <hiato> coppro: But it wouldn't be Hon. unless they were, in fact, The Honurable So and So
23:50:41 <pikhq> nooga: It is in a chroot without any files other than the dynamic linker.
23:50:42 <oerjan> `translatefromto no en klegg
23:51:20 <pikhq> Actually. No, I don't think it even has that.
23:52:23 <oerjan> hiato: a pun on nick clegg
23:52:36 <oerjan> i think some people in the british parliament would appreciate it
23:53:17 <HackEgo> bin \ dev \ etc \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ proc \ tmp \ usr
23:53:23 <HackEgo> bash \ bunzip2 \ bzcat \ bzcmp \ bzdiff \ bzegrep \ bzexe \ bzfgrep \ bzgrep \ bzip2 \ bzip2recover \ bzless \ bzmore \ cat \ chgrp \ chmod \ chown \ cp \ cpio \ dash \ date \ dd \ df \ dir \ dmesg \ dnsdomainname \ domainname \ echo \ ed \ egrep \ false \ fgrep \ grep \ gunzip \ gzexe \ gzip \ hostname \ ip \ kill \ less
23:53:42 <oerjan> there are plenty of files
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