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00:20:49 <pikhq> Playing with Brainfuck again makes me realise how very silly some of the Brainfuck code out there is...
00:21:29 <pikhq> That's in a *lot* of Brainfuck code.
00:22:00 <Sgeo_> By the same person/tool?
00:22:16 <pikhq> No. Just all over the place.
00:22:23 <pikhq> It was even in some version of awib...
00:22:45 <coppro> maybe to make things look pretty
00:22:52 <coppro> (though really, Piet is better for that)
00:23:41 <pikhq> Actually. It's technically *still* in awib.
00:23:45 <Sgeo_> Does it happen to be ][-] by any chance?
00:24:10 <Sgeo_> I bet a lot of people just know [-] to 0 a cell and do it even without realizing the cell is cleared
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00:28:44 <pikhq_> LostKng loses 2105 characters after a simple dead-code eliminiation pass.
00:28:48 <oerjan> ][insert comment here]
00:29:31 <Sgeo_> pikhq_, my Haskell brainfuck interpreter has something that does that
00:30:05 <pikhq_> I modified an interpreter's parser into doing that. :P
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02:13:27 <pikhq_> while(1)if(rand())drop(freenode);
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02:29:13 <uorygl> Doesn't if(rand()) almost always go to the "then" branch?
02:31:00 <pikhq> Note how often I'm being dropped.
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03:51:39 <Gracenotes> ... and trying to come up with interesting places I can apply it
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12:03:21 <Gracenotes> if befunge used a queue instead of a stack: http://www.kongregate.com/games/PleasingFungus/manufactoria
12:03:49 <Gracenotes> I've been playing this for 3.5 hours straight :/
12:04:14 <Gracenotes> (and also if it had more limited operations etc.)
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12:13:57 <fizzie> Gah, you horrible horrible person. I have a stack of reports to grade, I can't get stuck in some Flash game now.
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12:39:33 <Gracenotes> fizzie: also uses queue automata, which are equivalent in power to turing machines but less expressive
12:39:50 <Gracenotes> so less expressive it can be painful to fit it in the damn grid :/
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12:47:58 <fizzie> It didn't help, I'm still twiddling the game.
12:48:12 <fizzie> I only have three more reports to go, though.
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13:12:53 <Gracenotes> oh, meh. I don't have enough patience to do these in a turing machine, let alone the queue automata we're forced to use
13:13:15 <Gracenotes> I shall come back another time... that was a fun 4.5 hours though, til it got tedius
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13:17:31 <fizzie> I did those up to and including the first six-level column in the "map" (plus a one from the second), but now I really need to read those reports.
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13:44:05 <lifthras1ir> Gracenotes: a lot better than other programming games i found in Kongregate. good.
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14:28:01 <Sgeo_> How does it compare with RoboZZle?
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16:56:29 <AnMaster> back for a very short period of time only
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18:11:18 <Sgego> What time does he usually show up on Friday?
18:11:22 <Sgego> And did you get my memo?
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18:33:43 <Phantom_Hoover> Man was not meant to adapt some things to musical theatre.
18:42:47 <Sgego> Igors did not believe in "Forbidden Knowledge" and "Things Man Was Not Meant To Know" but obviously there were /some/ things a man was not meant to know, such as what it felt like to have every single particle of your body sucked into a little hole, and that seemed to be one of the options available in the imediate future.
18:42:56 <Sgego> --Terry Pratchett, Theif of Time
18:49:27 <Sgego> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Station V3's website is down!
18:49:34 <Sgego> erm, the comic site
18:49:52 <Sgego> If Station V3 actually had a website, it would probably suck me into a dimensional portal or something
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19:04:25 <fizzie> There's that nice line in Thief of Time I've quoted earlier too.
19:04:32 <fizzie> "And never, ever Ask Questions. Admittedly, Igor knew, that meant never ask BIG questions. 'Would thur like a cup of tea around now?' was fine, but 'What do you need a hundred virginth for?' or 'Where do you ecthpect me to find a brain at thith time of night?' was not. An Igor stood for loyal, dependable, discreet service with a smile, or at least a sort of lopsided grin, or possibly just a curved scar in the right place."
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19:32:35 <Deewiant> fizzie: What kind of a grading system is 3/5?
19:34:14 <fizzie> Deewiant: It's actually 0/3/5, and those are just arbitrary numbers to encode the "fail", "no change to course grade", "increment course grade by one" semantics.
19:35:11 <Deewiant> Using numbers like that seems strange to me :-P
19:35:28 <fizzie> Well, perhaps. I've kept it from previous years.
19:35:41 <fizzie> There's some sort of official way that sort of thing is represented in the OSR, but I can't remember what it is.
19:35:48 <fizzie> It's possible that it should be 0/1/2 instead.
19:36:08 <Deewiant> If you had to use numbers I'd use 0/1/2, but if not I'd use something like F/P/P+
19:37:17 <fizzie> That should be g=0/g/g++ then, and the increment is also clamped.
19:37:37 <fizzie> It's 0/3/5 because (of course) the normal 0...5 scale, but admittedly it's a bit weird to use just 3 and 5 there.
19:38:56 <fizzie> Maybe I could use some Unicode characters. ☹/☺/☻, maybe.
19:39:30 <Deewiant> Now if only those were properly visible without large font sizes
19:39:36 <fizzie> Gah, I got two bounces from the Noppa announcement this time.
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19:40:03 <fizzie> One "forwarded more than maximum times" and one "over quota".
19:41:35 <fizzie> Deewiant: Is ☠/♡/☆ more readable? The skull-and-crossbones might not be.
19:42:17 <Deewiant> Well, in my current configuration (Windows / PuTTY / DejaVu Sans Mono 10pt) it's better but not much
19:42:29 <fizzie> What if I fill those two? ♥/★, I mean.
19:43:01 <fizzie> (I doubt the OSR system can take that.)
19:43:12 <Deewiant> Still better; pasting it into Firefox's address bar all three are actually legible :-)
20:02:34 <Phantom_Hoover> I think it's about time someone invented a decent language that can be compiled into Life.
20:14:54 <pikhq> The only think preventing it is a decent way of doing arrays. :P
20:15:13 <Sgego> When does alise normally show up here?
20:15:41 <pikhq> Bit before now, or at the beginning of next waking.
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21:41:49 <oerjan> 10:11:18 <Sgego> What time does he usually show up on Friday?
21:41:59 <oerjan> lately, he doesn't seem to show up before saturday
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22:20:07 <pikhq_> Because your mother's a whore.
22:21:17 <impomatic> Does anyone recognise this language? It looks like odd Pascal to me: http://corewar.co.uk/droid/droidsrc.txt
22:30:15 <Zuu> it sort of looks like basic to me, if only it wasnt ebcause it has single quotes all over, which i believe starts comments in Basic
22:30:41 <impomatic> I've never seen a basic like it. It's also a bit weird for Pascal or Algol
22:30:47 <oerjan> it looks much closer to ALGOL than BASIC, although i don't really know ALGOL
22:31:06 <oerjan> BASIC uses = for assignment, not :=
22:33:04 <oerjan> hm wait uses MOVE := , not just :=
22:35:37 <Phantom_Hoover> It's from the same overall family as Pascal, i.e. stuff with Alogoly syntax.
22:36:15 <oerjan> the types are put _before_ the variables, which means it's not pascal or its direct descendants
22:36:30 <oerjan> while ALGOL also does this
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22:40:04 <oerjan> impomatic: oh did you get this from that HP / MPE thing? a google search for some of the keywords led me to that
22:40:23 <oerjan> http://www.adager.com/VeSoft/SystemTables.html very similar language
22:41:04 <oerjan> yes that must be the same one
22:43:02 <oerjan> ah! "Note that although all the examples in this paper are given in SPL,"
22:44:41 <oerjan> impomatic: http://www.robelle.com/smugbook/spl.html
22:46:14 <Zuu> I was betting more on fortran
22:46:26 * oerjan wonders why it says FOR is discouraged
22:48:10 <oerjan> impomatic: in that last page
22:52:01 <Zuu> No cookies FOR you
22:53:44 <Zuu> Now im bored, since the name of this language have been determined
22:53:56 <Zuu> I had so much fun for 10 minutes :P
22:54:08 <pikhq> Now implement it efficiently.
22:54:36 <pikhq> Incidentally. http://sprunge.us/YYca More Brainfuck compilation.
22:54:48 <pikhq> And why yes, it *does* leak memory. :P
22:54:58 <Zuu> actually, for 20 minutes ago, i was implementing a vm for my own language
22:56:02 <Zuu> Im sure i'll soon have fun tracing memory leaks for my own :P
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22:58:13 <Zuu> It is impressive how someone managed to introduce memory leaks into something that basically only needs to keep track of a single allocation
23:00:51 <pikhq> http://sprunge.us/ECMP
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23:07:25 <Phantom_Hoover> The UCC is cool, but from what I can tell the language it uses *sucks*.
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23:39:27 <Zuu> What is a UCC ?
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23:43:17 <AnMaster> ais523, know anything about software RAID under linux?
23:43:45 <AnMaster> fizzie and/or Deewiant: there?
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23:51:10 <fizzie> I am, but pretty busy.
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