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15:51:34 <Gregor> At this point I have no idea why.
15:53:32 <Gregor> TRAC IS SUCH A PIECE OF FUCKING GARBAGE
15:53:49 <Gregor> Trac is currently taking 100% CPU and slowly but surely chewing through all my memory.
15:56:00 <Gregor> For my project management.
15:56:14 <Gregor> Ticket tracking on some, homepages on the other, and login management on all.
16:09:07 <Vorpal> <Phantom_Hoover> <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, ah you like periodic videos too ← no, I stumbled upon them and I was starting to enjoy them before you said that. <-- wait what. Do you mean you no longer enjoy them, now that you know I like them?
16:44:53 <tswett> I want there to be an elementary particle consisting of a small positive charge surrounded by a large and equal negative charge.
16:45:16 <tswett> It shall behave just like an atom, and it shall form no chemical compounds at all.
16:46:05 <Sgeo> noble m etals?
16:46:35 <tswett> Sgeo: the metals, mostly precious or semi-precious, like silver and copper, that are relatively unreactive.
16:46:41 <Sgeo> Oh, not metals made of noble gasses
16:46:53 <tswett> Right. Those would be confusing.
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17:18:01 <zzo38> User:Ian wrote some things about VAX (and about other things) that I didn't know.
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17:39:55 <Phantom_Hoover> <tswett> Sgeo: the metals, mostly precious or semi-precious, like silver and copper, that are relatively unreactive. ← except no.
17:40:07 <Phantom_Hoover> They're the platinum group, gold and silver according to WP.
17:40:27 <tswett> Oh, they have a more specific definition than I thought.
17:41:07 <Phantom_Hoover> Both silver and osmium react with _air_ at room temperature.
17:41:42 <pikhq> Silver as a "noble metal"?
17:41:52 <pikhq> Clearly the notion has no valuable meaning.
17:41:52 <zzo38> Have you invent any computer with LFSR-based PC?
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17:42:28 <pikhq> Jeeze, copper is often used *explicitly for how it appears after corrosion*.
17:42:49 <pikhq> Phantom_Hoover: It's on the list!
17:42:59 <pikhq> Oh, wait, "including several non-noble metals".
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17:43:06 <pikhq> Still bullshit that silver is on there.
17:43:17 <Phantom_Hoover> Also chemists and metallurgists consider copper and bismuth not noble metals because they easily oxidize due to the reaction O2 + 2 H2O + 4 e− ⇄ 4 OH−(aq) +0.40 V which is possible in moist air.
17:43:28 <pikhq> Gold, platinum, iridium, sure. But *silver*?
17:43:48 <pikhq> Why not just put fucking sodium on there and call it a day? :P
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17:44:07 <Phantom_Hoover> pikhq, silver doesn't react with pure air or water, apparently.
17:44:27 <Phantom_Hoover> <tswett> I want there to be an elementary particle consisting of a small positive charge surrounded by a large and equal negative charge.
17:44:27 <Phantom_Hoover> <tswett> It shall behave just like an atom, and it shall form no chemical compounds at all.
17:44:39 <zzo38> Sodium is far from the other ones on the periodic table
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17:44:56 <Phantom_Hoover> Charge is a fundamental property of a particle; you can't have it distributed throughout.
17:45:18 <Phantom_Hoover> And how do you have something that behaves just like an atom which forms no chemical compounds?
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17:55:45 <pikhq> It's got all the *annoying* physics interactions in it
17:56:24 <Phantom_Hoover> It's not so much that as the omnipresent and blatant lies-to-children.
17:56:55 <pikhq> Okay, that's probably worse.
17:57:32 <Phantom_Hoover> I mean, Newtonian mechanics are entirely valid unless you reach insane extremes.
17:57:59 <Phantom_Hoover> The electron shell model you're taught at school fails at the transition metals.
17:58:34 <Phantom_Hoover> The mechanics you're told for covalent bonds fail to account for either carbon monoxide or ozone.
18:00:32 <pikhq> Yeah, Newtonian mechanics pretty comprehensively covers what we regularly observe.
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18:02:14 <Phantom_Hoover> _She had to ask the physics department whether liquids could have pressure after I pointed it out._
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18:05:45 <Phantom_Hoover> (OK, so she had confused pressure and compression, but that's scarcely better.)
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18:25:28 <zzo38> Maybe there should be a command that tells the compiler that the bitwise OR, bitwise XOR, or addition, can all work in this place and it should select one for the current circumstance in the target computer.
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18:28:09 <zzo38> (Which is the case if it is known that ((x&y)==0) ?)
18:28:47 <impomatic> Elliott: if you're reading the logs, http://twitcode.org/show/257/forth-outer-interpreter-version-2
18:29:53 <Ilari> Heh, that actually happens in the last step of integer-math partially-transparent rendering routine I wrote. Needing to OR two number that have all sets bits disjoint.
18:31:18 <zzo38> Ilari: What programming language did you use and what is this program more specific?
18:31:45 <Ilari> It is an algorithm. And I have implemented it in both Java and C++.
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18:32:53 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, you never replied to this:
18:32:57 <Vorpal> <Vorpal> <Phantom_Hoover> <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, ah you like periodic videos too ← no, I stumbled upon them and I was starting to enjoy them before you said that. <-- wait what. Do you mean you no longer enjoy them, now that you know I like them?
18:33:17 <Phantom_Hoover> Vorpal, yes, your approval has made it RUINED FOREVER.
18:33:39 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, I take that as a no then
18:33:54 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, if not I approve of whatever you love :P
18:34:23 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, I don't get why you hate me. *shrug*
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18:35:20 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, also FireFly and BeholdMyGlory
18:35:47 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, I'm *so* going to move to UK :P
18:36:25 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, what about Scotland?
18:37:03 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, aren't you from Scotland iirc?
18:37:30 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, huh, I thought you were up in Edinburgh
18:37:55 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, so what city are you in then?
18:38:11 <impomatic> The English invented the computer... can't be that bad.
18:39:00 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, wait, do you *live* in Wales too?
18:39:09 <Vorpal> as opposed to being born there
18:39:32 <Vorpal> very confusing then. I wonder who was up in Edinburgh in this channel
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18:42:05 <Gregor> impomatic: The English also invented the English language, but the Americans made it great! *runs*
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18:42:25 <lament> i thought the germans invented the computer
18:43:44 <impomatic> English also invented some of the best 8 bit computers... BBC, Spectrum, Dragon :-P
18:44:32 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, so Wales. That's it. Hilly isn't it?
18:45:12 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, rather low hills iirc?
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18:46:19 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, so corrugated terrain mostly
18:50:02 <Phantom_Hoover> <impomatic> English also invented some of the best 8 bit computers... BBC, Spectrum, Dragon :-P
18:50:44 <zzo38> I think the \linepenalty parameter in TeX is not really a penalty value. Instead, it is an adjustment to the badness value for each line.
18:55:39 <impomatic> Welsh company (Dragon Data), English owners (Mettoy). Therefore an English invention. :-P
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19:32:15 <Vorpal> vlc debug output (why do I get that?) seems rather strange:
19:32:17 <Vorpal> Warning: call to rand()
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19:32:29 <Vorpal> yeah, highly dangerous function
19:35:13 <Phantom_Hoover> It isn't a terribly good random number generator IIRC.
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19:48:18 <ais523> on some old UNIXes, rand() was infamous for alternating odd and even numbers
19:48:23 <ais523> I'm not sure if any are quite that stupid nowadays, though
19:49:05 <Phantom_Hoover> I'm just holding out for quantum RNGs that can fit on a chip.
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20:11:13 <Phantom_Hoover> *I should not have to manually reset a WiFi connection every 30 seconds.*
20:13:43 <myndzi> should never have had to do such a thing in any year
20:13:49 <myndzi> unfortunately not the truth, however
20:14:13 <Phantom_Hoover> I need a list of people to stab for allowing things like this to happen.
20:16:14 <oerjan> occasionally i wonder whether the universe has a fundamental law which prevents any item from working in a truly non-annoying manner.
20:17:19 <oerjan> and the harder you try to make something perfect, the worse it fails.
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20:17:53 <myndzi> i just found out that the problem i am having with my keyboard is a known problem ("chatter") and that i should have RMAed it but it's too late
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20:18:36 <myndzi> so now i get to try and clean contacts or something (or maybe replace switches?) to approach 'non-annoying'
20:18:52 <Phantom_Hoover> How does a radio connection which is perfect nearly all of the time become untenable when nothing is changed?
20:18:56 <myndzi> maybe i can wheedle an RMA fix out of them anyway, but not likely; elitekeyboards doesn't sell filco anymore i think
20:19:10 <myndzi> Phantom_Hoover: wifi is black magic
20:19:25 <myndzi> my friend bought a high gain antenna and plugged it in
20:19:32 <myndzi> he sees like 50 APs now instead of 3
20:19:38 <Phantom_Hoover> That does not entitle it to what are effectively phase-of-the-moon bugs.
20:19:41 <myndzi> but connecting to the local one he gets disconnected constantly
20:19:55 <myndzi> he asks me what's wrong
20:20:39 <ais523> I've had wifi troubles which are inconsistent authentication issues, with the signal fine
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20:33:23 <oerjan> <Phantom_Hoover> Vorpal, nope, Wales.
20:34:32 <oerjan> then why don't you have a silly unpronouncable nick like ndrylliog
20:35:39 <Vorpal> <Phantom_Hoover> *I should not have to manually reset a WiFi connection every 30 seconds.* <-- Sorry, due to budget constraints that feature has been postproned to 2013.
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20:35:54 <Vorpal> Phyntwm_Hyvyr, awesome :D
20:36:21 <Vorpal> Hey! What is that longest name in the world-place in Wales
20:36:30 <lament> cmnnwiworkjowirklfjoiu
20:36:35 <oerjan> llanfairsomethinggogogoch
20:36:41 <Vorpal> lament, something along that line yes :P
20:36:46 <Vorpal> Phyntwm_Hyvyr, and more importantly can you pronounce it
20:36:53 <ais523> it's typically abbreviated "Llanfair PG"
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20:37:00 <elliott> Did someone say Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch?
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20:37:07 <ais523> but the name was designed just to amuse tourists
20:37:27 <oerjan> worst implementation of channel avoidance ever
20:37:30 <Vorpal> Heh, elliott is log reading
20:38:33 <Sgeo> ais523, what do you think of some Crawl interface changes in 0.8
20:38:42 <ais523> Sgeo: which changes specifically?
20:38:44 <Vorpal> wait, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_long_place_names#Names_with_spaces_or_hyphen there is a longer place name in NZ
20:38:50 <Vorpal> never heard of that one before
20:38:52 <Sgeo> ais523, spellcasting is different
20:39:11 <Vorpal> Sgeo, Crawl, as in stone soup?
20:39:46 <Vorpal> I should try it out some day
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20:43:48 <Vorpal> hm.... Does Welsh concatenate to create new words?
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20:47:30 <Vorpal> ais523, what about elsewhere?
20:52:51 <oerjan> you don't want to recharge the wrong channel, trust me
20:54:00 <Phyntwm_Hwvyr> I can't see it used anywhere without thinking it's wasteful.
20:54:35 <Sgeo> We can always make more once we have nuclear fusion going
20:54:54 <Sgeo> (That would just be trace amounts?)
20:55:12 <Phyntwm_Hwvyr> Sgeo, no, but it's not as awesome as Other Helium Source.
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21:02:47 <oerjan> <Phyntwm_Hwvyr> Sgeo, no, but it's not as awesome as Other Helium Source. <-- i thought i'd read that was "yes", assuming you don't want to waste enormous amounts of energy larger than any humanity can currently use...
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21:13:44 <Vorpal> <Phyntwm_Hwvyr> I can't see it used anywhere without thinking it's wasteful. <-- indeed, except in very specialized applications is is extremely wasteful
21:14:39 <Vorpal> Phyntwm_Hwvyr, I propose a helium "mine" on one of the gas giants
21:14:57 <Phyntwm_Hwvyr> Vorpal, pointless, given that the Moon has a fair deal of it.
21:15:28 <Vorpal> Phyntwm_Hwvyr, how can it hold it? I mean, it has even less gravity
21:16:03 <Phyntwm_Hwvyr> Vorpal, helium is slammed straight into the rock by the solar wind and gets stuck there, rather than bouncing off the atmosphere.
21:16:24 <Vorpal> Phyntwm_Hwvyr, how hard would it be to extract though
21:17:10 <Phyntwm_Hwvyr> I shouldn't think it would be so hard as to stop it being worthwhile.
21:17:11 <Vorpal> and hm, how does it stay there? Helium doesn't form bonds easily
21:17:58 <Phyntwm_Hwvyr> Yes, but even so it hits the rock at a fair fraction of c, and bonds or no bonds some of it will stick.
21:18:29 <Vorpal> Phyntwm_Hwvyr, it might be easier to do it on the gas giants. Especially if you can send it back in unmanned pods cheaply along ITN.
21:18:51 <Phyntwm_Hwvyr> Vorpal, it would be _vastly_ harder to skim gas from the gas giants.
21:20:08 <Phyntwm_Hwvyr> Looks like helium-3 is the main one they're interested in from the Moon.
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21:21:03 <Vorpal> Phyntwm_Hwvyr, helium-4 is very rare
21:22:37 <Vorpal> "Tritium, with a 12-year half-life, decays into helium-3" hm
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21:24:41 <tswett> It doesn't do anything, but it works.
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21:29:57 * Phantom__Hoover wonders why no terrorists have sabotaged planes with mercury.
21:30:14 <Vorpal> Phantom__Hoover, what would mercury do to planes?
21:30:24 <tswett> Poison the people on them.
21:30:50 * tswett scans the skies for signs of a bot entrance.
21:31:06 <tswett> I wonder if it got klined somehow.
21:31:07 <Phantom__Hoover> Vorpal, I'm just going to leave http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Ilxsu-JlY here.
21:31:18 <Vorpal> Phantom__Hoover, right. It was a while ago I watched them
21:32:30 <tswett> Nope, I think it's just broken.
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21:53:55 <iconmaster> I have made a new channel for ISCOM updates, #iscom.
21:56:38 <Vorpal> iconmaster, what is iscom?
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22:33:42 <zzo38> What are the parts with small numbers for the previous/next month in the calendar, are called?
22:39:06 <coppro> ais523: awesome, you better pass that AV
22:39:34 <ais523> I suspect it won't pass, in the current political climate
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22:46:31 <coppro> dman you brits for ruining every chance we'd have of fixing our political climate
22:46:42 <ais523> I hope the typo was deliberate
22:46:50 <ais523> (I dislike religious swearing)
22:47:27 <coppro> dman is a perfectly valid word!
22:47:30 <Phantom_Hoover> ais523, christ, you really need to stop this goddamn prudery.
22:48:05 <coppro> on an unrelated note: why did I decide to take a graduate logic course?
22:50:48 <Phantom_Hoover> Hmm, apparently the crystalline structure of chocolate is non-trivial.
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22:53:10 <oerjan> Brilliatn is just the kind of word you might expect to see on a road sign in this region of norway
22:54:01 <oerjan> looking like it could actually mean something in one of the dialects here
22:54:48 <zzo38> oerjan: What could it mean in one of the dialects there?
22:55:44 <oerjan> well it's almost brilla (glasses) + vatn (water, lake)
22:59:17 <oerjan> breivatn _is_ a place name (brei = wide)
22:59:44 <oerjan> (got it as a google suggestion when i tried brilvatn)
23:01:21 <oerjan> in fact i would be surprised if there weren't at least a handful of lakes by that name
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23:16:04 <zzo38> It seems to me that a computer with LFSR-based program counter might be a bit more efficient than the standard ones with addition??
23:16:47 <zzo38> Also, arrays could be indexed by XOR instead of with addition.
23:21:05 <oerjan> i'm not sure that would work well if array elements have sizes that are not powers of 2
23:21:48 <oerjan> and it would also mean you would need to malloc 2^n sizes, i think
23:22:35 <zzo38> I think it could work, if one array is element size 3 and one array is elements size 1
23:23:14 <oerjan> hm yes, but they would need to have the same number of elements to fill out the combined space
23:23:39 <zzo38> No, you could split one of those spaces into two arrays
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23:34:48 <zzo38> But how efficient would such a computer be that does these things?
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23:39:53 <Phantom_Hoover> What is it with people calling Mathematica a groundbreaking masterpiece of software?
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23:46:00 <zzo38> Phantom_Hoover: Well, it is just a extra large software doing a lot of things, although we have better things for sure. We do not need Mathematica. We can do mathematics without paying anyone. Wolfram tries to make mathematics to cost a lot of money!!
23:48:57 <zzo38> But it is certainly capable to make a lot of things.
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23:56:43 <quintopia> rofl check out sam hughes' latest tweet