00:03:06 <oerjan> idle : 15 days 17 hours 39 mins 3 secs
00:03:22 <oerjan> and you need /whois SimonRC SimonRC to get it
00:07:55 <oerjan> http://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk/comments/ge1je/pick_a_random_number_between_1_and_1000_double_it/ XD
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01:52:37 <oerjan> catseye: you're not cpressey are you?
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01:53:42 * oerjan should learn to /whois first
01:56:00 <oerjan> would have been a nice twist if you were some kind of Bast worshipper...
01:59:32 <oerjan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastet
02:02:12 <oerjan> Gregor: can you confirm or deny whether you and cpressey are secretly Bastet worshippers inventing the concept of esolangs to draw nerds into your esoteric sect?
02:02:43 <Gregor> oerjan: Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity.
02:03:50 <oerjan> and now that you have finally got rid of atheist elliott, your scheme is coming near to fruition...
02:04:18 <Sgeo> I'm still out of the loop on why elliott left
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02:13:48 <catseye> he was here today, in some sense of "here". he said things here.
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02:15:34 <catseye> I have simply dismissed the whole affair as too complicated for my puny brain to possibly understand.
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02:36:23 <Gregor> I didn't mean to make it join things X-D
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03:28:50 <oerjan> well stop beating it on the table then
03:30:51 <catseye> I think it's because I'm feeding it JACK and Fluidsynth and Rosegarden again
03:31:32 <catseye> It was because I think I realized what elliott "saying" things in here is
03:31:59 <catseye> But the JACK etc isn't helping
03:32:46 <catseye> I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to use JACK
03:32:58 <oerjan> well i don't know jack shit
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03:57:37 <catseye> arrrrrrgh computers are stupid music is stupid i hate everything arrrrrrrrgh
03:59:00 <oerjan> ...i recognize those symptoms...
03:59:41 <oerjan> cure: relax and do something else, or nothing at all.
04:00:01 <oerjan> (note: cure is alas, temporary)
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04:13:40 <elliott> 03:31:32: <catseye> It was because I think I realized what elliott "saying" things in here is
04:13:47 <elliott> catseye: YOUR SUSPICIONS ARE IRRELEVANT, MORTAL
04:14:01 <elliott> oerjan: btw no, cure is to reinvent computing
04:15:43 <oerjan> ...the symptoms have nothing to do with computing per se. they have to do with doing something when you're really tired and should relax.
04:15:55 <elliott> no they have to do with everything sucking
04:16:03 <elliott> the solution is to stop them sucking by replacing them
04:16:38 <Sgeo> So, become zzo38
04:16:44 <oerjan> i guess our worldviews clash at this point.
04:17:20 <elliott> oerjan: ITYM "oh, right, I'm wrong I guess"
04:17:22 <elliott> "I'll get to work on @ right away"
04:17:55 * oerjan swats elliott -----###
04:18:05 <elliott> catseye: you see the people i have to deal with.
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04:37:41 <Gregor> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31917308&l=75ffb3329d&id=1055580469
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04:48:14 <catseye> and tried to mop the floor. but only got so far with that.
04:49:16 <catseye> somehow "arrrrrgh mops are stupid water is stupid i hate everything arrrrrrgh" just doesn't ring the same.
04:49:36 <catseye> it comes out more like "it's late. i can finish this tomorrow"
04:52:57 <oklopol> i feel that way about computers
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06:21:12 <elliott> THE REVOLUTION IS MADE OF PLASTIC BOTTLES
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06:27:30 <elliott> provide hobo juice thru slot --->
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07:05:40 <zzo38> Is there USB mode that is directly the UNIX block and stream files?
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07:20:29 <elliott> Does anyone know who invented the pipe/fork/exec model?
07:20:34 <elliott> I would like to hunt them down and kill them.
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07:45:59 <zzo38> ch2: What about S Q L?
07:46:22 <elliott> ch2 is a harmless bot, it don't know what it sayin.
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08:00:09 <elliott> oh dear, a random crash :/
08:00:18 <elliott> probably it didn't like all my pings
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14:15:43 <cheater> i was at google yesterday and there was this russian dude trying to recruit me. he said i can come do the interview using any programming language, even brainfuck.
14:16:10 <cheater> i should like, use befunge
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14:31:36 <cheater> this job is what i started my career for
14:33:34 <cheater> my only coworker is a hot, prominent, supermodel. the office is right in the center of the city in the historical area, and is huge. the desk i am sitting at is bound with exotic leather.
14:34:02 <Gregor> "Bound" as in "with bindings" as in "I'm strapped into it and raped every day"?
14:34:26 <cheater> no as in the surface of it used to be a crocodile
14:34:51 <cheater> oh, and wacom tablets actually make very good monitors for mac pro's it would seem
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14:35:43 <cheater> ok quickly get some bandaid and wrap it tight
14:35:59 <cheater> then go to the doc right away
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14:47:17 <Gregor> Well that was fascinating.
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15:11:59 <coppro> such a horribly minced song :(
15:12:28 <Phantom_Hoover> OMFG, someone on Reddit suggested making a film with Will Ferrell playing Columbus.
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15:14:18 <cpressey> better idea: zombie Will Ferrell playing zombie Columbus
15:14:21 <cheater> is there a language which interprets zalgo?
15:15:11 <coppro> interesting fact: the words "Que Sera Sera" were based on Italian, but was changed to be Spanish-like to be more familiar. However, it isn't grammatically correct in Spanish and requires a tense change and some other words. However, if you add a word at the start and a comma, then you get a valid French sentence that means what it's supposed to
15:16:08 <coppro> hooray for romance languages!
15:35:20 <Phantom_Hoover> Jesus, the Greeks were _insanely_ close to an industrial revolution.
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15:36:15 <Phantom_Hoover> (NO I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR "LOGIC" I WOULD TOTALLY STILL HAVE BEEN BORN)
15:50:18 <Gregor> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31917308&l=75ffb3329d&id=1055580469 <-- VERY IMPORTANT
15:53:25 <Phantom_Hoover> Oh, wait, you're an uncultured American and hence have never seen TV Burp.
15:54:31 <Gregor> Phantom_Hoover: No videos at schwork.
15:54:36 <Ilari> APNIC down 0.31(!!!): 16k+4k to Australia, 2M(!!!)+20x64k to China, 256k+4x64k to Indonesia, 1k to Japan, 1M to South Korea, 1k to Malaysia, 128k+64k to Singapore, 16k+8k to Vietnam.
15:55:44 <Sgeo> America O'Clock. I liek it
15:56:33 <cpressey> Phantom_Hoover: True fact: The Greeks were the first to invent the Device.
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15:57:07 <cpressey> Also, I can watch videos at work, but, as a general rule, I don't.
15:57:26 <Gregor> I'm perfectly allowed to, but my desktop here has no speakers or headphones :P
15:57:36 <cpressey> Your sheer level of excitement makes me suspicious
15:57:57 <Ilari> Estimate for APNIC depletion jumped to Tuesday 12th April.
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15:59:38 <Phantom_Hoover> cpressey, don't worry, it's totally not a front for the Device.
16:00:59 <Ilari> 2.429 blocks for March. There's still 1 day to go.
16:06:28 <Ilari> Average allocation rate during last 25 business days: About 2 million addresses per day.
16:10:23 <fizzie> I'm hoping for April 15th; first RIR depletion would be a nice birthday present.
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16:17:58 <Ilari> 327936 addresses left of second to last (normally allocated) /8.
16:18:07 <Phantom_Hoover> I've just remembered that the Greeks also had the beginnings of electricity, robotics and steam power as well.
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16:19:19 <Gregor> This was of course before they ascended to a higher plane of existence, leaving behind fragmentary artifacts of their civilization.
16:19:45 <Phantom_Hoover> No, it was before it all fell to pieces in an entirely mundane and depressing fashion.
16:20:04 <Gregor> Sadly, they too were locked in their matrix of solidity.
16:20:22 <cheater> supermodel has model friend over and she's looking me over.
16:20:42 <cpressey> Speaking of civilization falling to pieces
16:20:54 <Gregor> "Why would she hire someone who looks like a Toad? Yukk!"
16:21:10 <cheater> "will he turn into a prince?"
16:21:17 <Ilari> Those 320k addresses should be gone tomorrow (APNIC being down to its final normal /8).
16:21:35 <Gregor> cheater: Wrong kind of toad. I said "Toad", as in the species from the Mario universe :P
16:22:06 <cpressey> I know them as Mushroom Retainers. I don't know where I picked up that nomenclature. Somewhere before it was standardized, I guess.
16:22:44 <cpressey> oh, at least one thing thinks that's the official name: http://www.mariowiki.com/Mushroom_Retainer
16:22:49 <Gregor> The Toad species is effectively the happy Mario borg. They act as one. There is only one Toad and only one Toadette, and yet they are a species.
16:24:50 <cheater> supposedly she is the stylist of some important actress.
16:26:33 <cpressey> there are important actresses?
16:26:43 <cpressey> ooh, entertainment industry burn!
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16:31:36 <Ilari> 0.59 blocks this week (and only on day 3 out of 5).
16:32:09 <cheater> Ilari: is there an abnormal /8?
16:32:48 <Ilari> There is 103/8 (no allocations there yet), which is allocated using special rules.
16:33:04 <cheater> what special rules and why?
16:33:58 <Ilari> IIRC, 1k addresses per registrant.
16:37:34 <fizzie> RIPE has that additional special rule for their last /8 that you can only get an allocation from it if you already have a IPv6 allocation from a RIPE LIR.
16:37:40 <fizzie> APNIC doesn't have that one.
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16:39:24 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: mutation is often considerably harder for both humans and compilers can analyze it much more difficult' part that induces bloody vomit... huh....intriguing
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17:04:29 <Gregor> I MUST MAKE LIBC.SO MINE
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17:34:47 <Gregor> `addquote * Received a CTCP VERSION from nyuszika7h * VERSION Microsoft IRC# 2011 64-bit (Windows 8 Beta, x64, 2GB RAM) <nyuszika7h> Gregor: Windows 8 Beta? o_O <Gregor> A small benefit of my brief time as an intern at MS.
17:34:50 <HackEgo> 339) * Received a CTCP VERSION from nyuszika7h * VERSION Microsoft IRC# 2011 64-bit (Windows 8 Beta, x64, 2GB RAM) <nyuszika7h> Gregor: Windows 8 Beta? o_O <Gregor> A small benefit of my brief time as an intern at MS.
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17:57:05 <cpressey> addquoting yourself? isn't that like commenting on your own facebook status?
18:01:17 <Gregor> Yup, but I'm JUST THAT AWESOME.
18:01:25 <Gregor> `addquote <cpressey> addquoting yourself? isn't that like commenting on your own facebook status? <Gregor> Yup, but I'm JUST THAT AWESOME.
18:01:26 <HackEgo> 340) <cpressey> addquoting yourself? isn't that like commenting on your own facebook status? <Gregor> Yup, but I'm JUST THAT AWESOME.
18:07:12 <Gregor> http://pastebin.com/kw6Rrspw <-- ##javascript is hell.
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18:28:57 <oerjan> <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: mutation is often considerably harder for both humans and compilers can analyze it much more difficult' part that induces bloody vomit... huh....intriguing
18:28:58 <fungot> oerjan: the soundtrack was pretty fnord to me. is there any other stupid questions he marked you down for? :d
18:29:05 <oerjan> quite intriguing indeed.
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18:29:34 <oerjan> `addquote <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: mutation is often considerably harder for both humans and compilers can analyze it much more difficult' part that induces bloody vomit... huh....intriguing
18:29:34 <fungot> oerjan: are you in an aware state when the only hammer you have is for variable assignation and blocks
18:29:34 <HackEgo> 341) <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: mutation is often considerably harder for both humans and compilers can analyze it much more difficult' part that induces bloody vomit... huh....intriguing
18:30:06 <fungot> oerjan: well... i'm there at once to understand what's wrong with a generally accepted set of morals just defeats the point
18:30:35 <oerjan> yes the real point is THERE ARE NO MORALS
18:32:19 <cpressey> oerjan: thank you for adding that gem
18:34:13 <oerjan> (seen on public toilet)
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18:46:15 <cpressey> I'd like to write some graffiti in Haskell somewhere
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18:48:42 <elliott> cpressey: make it revolutionary haskell graffiti
18:48:50 <elliott> FIX SOCIETY = SOCIETY $ FIX SOCIETY
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18:50:56 <oerjan> i take it revolutionary haskell uses all caps for function variables
18:51:13 <oerjan> what does it use for constructors?
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18:58:21 <cpressey> {/, \} are tricky, the rest are trivial
18:59:22 <cpressey> {:, @, *} are their own inverses. < and > are inverses, as are / and \
19:01:40 <cpressey> and you're right oerjan -- they mainly don't commute with each other -- that's what makes them "productive" as commands, I guess :)
19:02:32 <cpressey> oh, but i don't have a good way to halt yet :/
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19:21:01 <elliott> oerjan: you're a cheapskate.
19:21:25 <oklopol> and you are too fool to be cool
19:22:38 <elliott> Bidding for 8 Papyri beginning 3/15
19:22:58 <olsner> elliott: cursive? not *re*cursive? :D
19:23:31 <oklopol> cpressey: it's not a table pool, it's a table that has to do with pools.
19:23:59 <oklopol> but i suppose pool table could also mean a table pool
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19:24:03 <oklopol> depends on your eye of looking
19:24:07 <Phantom_Hoover> <Gregor> http://pastebin.com/kw6Rrspw <-- ##javascript is hell.
19:30:50 <cpressey> Shouldn't that be, like, Phantom_Hoover ← food?
19:32:29 <elliott> cpressey: can you tell me what the point of yoob is i haven't been able to figure it out :D
19:34:12 <ais523> elliott: it's an esointerpreter, what more is needed?
19:36:32 * oerjan chews on Phantom_Hoover
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19:41:37 <elliott> wait *= return PhantomHoover
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19:42:25 <ais523> elliott: how did you not know Anemocrats = a subset of UNDEAD members?
19:42:30 <ais523> (I'm not sure if it's a /proper/ subset)
19:42:59 <oerjan> how's their finance policy, is what i want to know
19:43:37 <elliott> ais523: I know next to nothing about UNDEAD
19:43:48 <elliott> ais523: I don't logread Agora :)
19:43:49 <ais523> neither does anyone else, but at least I know /that/
19:44:00 <elliott> WELL SORRY, MASTER OF UNDEAD INFO :D
19:44:51 <oerjan> also, http://www.reddit.com/r/trees
19:45:16 <ais523> elliott: I learnt recently that the creator of LoseThos was banned from /r/LoseThos on Reddit
19:45:21 <ais523> which I think is a little hilarious
19:45:25 <elliott> ais523: he was banned from reddit entirely
19:45:30 <elliott> but he's back under a new name
19:45:43 <elliott> ais523: looks like /r/losethos was banned itself
19:46:05 <ais523> possibly because all its admins had been banned?
19:47:13 <elliott> ais523: quite possibly, but you can have a subreddit without admins
19:47:37 <elliott> "James. Simple compilers are easy, professional are hard. Why make an OS at all by that logic? Change the language because immitation is doomed from the start. I have if statements like this:
19:48:28 <cpressey> < elliott> so's esco :D <-- so, because there are already implementations of esolangs, there is no point to implementing those esolangs -- is this what you're saying?
19:48:39 <elliott> cpressey: no, that was a joke
19:48:52 <cpressey> so what don't you get about yoob?
19:48:54 <elliott> nothing against yoob, i'm just trying to figure out why you subjected yourself to java :)
19:49:07 <cpressey> it was either that or javascript or flash
19:49:17 <elliott> at least js has scheme roots ;D
19:49:44 <ais523> elliott: writing in Java's like writing in asm
19:49:56 <ais523> it isn't bad, it just takes ages and is unnecessarily verbose and boilerplaty
19:50:09 <elliott> ais523: yeah, but you can do fun tricks with asm :)
19:50:39 <elliott> cpressey: anyway NOT STRICTLY TRUE you could also have used: Python
19:50:52 <cpressey> I can use Python on the JVM too
19:51:06 <cpressey> I don't want to use Python though
19:51:37 <elliott> WHY DID I EVER GO INTO IRC STANDUP
19:52:09 <Gregor> Phantom_Hoover: D'aww, it was there before :(
19:52:13 <elliott> cpressey: then why am I laughing?
19:52:30 <cpressey> b/c things can be funny even when they aren't jokes
19:52:56 <elliott> cpressey: you should integrate shiro into it by using LambdaVM, that would be painless and fun
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19:54:01 <cpressey> you should tell me what to do, you have good ideas
19:54:06 <oerjan> <elliott> if (1<=i<=10) {" <-- python does that...
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19:54:31 <elliott> then he goes on about not making C optimised because it should be close to asm, so I guess "1<=i<=10" is closer to asm than "1<=i && i<=10" :D
19:54:42 <oerjan> well python was innovative when it stole it from math, of course
19:54:57 <elliott> oerjan: how do you respond to the accusations of you being a cheapskate?
19:55:07 <cpressey> elliott, like Gregor, is just that awesome
19:55:30 <elliott> cpressey: i sense this slight hint of sarcasm
19:55:39 <oerjan> elliott: i do not recall the details of that event, i may very well not have had more to bid
19:55:44 <HackEgo> 340) <cpressey> addquoting yourself? isn't that like commenting on your own facebook status? <Gregor> Yup, but I'm JUST THAT AWESOME.
19:56:12 <HackEgo> 339) * Received a CTCP VERSION from nyuszika7h * VERSION Microsoft IRC# 2011 64-bit (Windows 8 Beta, x64, 2GB RAM) <nyuszika7h> Gregor: Windows 8 Beta? o_O <Gregor> A small benefit of my brief time as an intern at MS.
19:56:55 <elliott> Gregor: so how did nyuszika7h react :P
19:57:02 <elliott> oerjan: you bid slightly higher after that, but only slightly :D
19:57:10 <ais523> I've never even heard of IRC#
19:57:22 <ais523> also, is that VERSION response genuine?
19:57:27 <elliott> whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh
19:57:34 <elliott> Gregor: golly, quite the breeze here
19:57:55 <Gregor> elliott: WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS
19:58:05 <elliott> "I insist on telling you you are a sleep walking zombie." --Mr. LoseThos
19:58:25 <elliott> "Can I just tell you that you are a sleep walking zombie" "Oh, you don't have to!" "I insist!"
19:58:36 <HackEgo> 136) <alise> like, just like I'd mark "Bob knob hobs deathly poop violation EXCREMENT unto;" as English <ais523> alise: that's great filler <alise> ais523: well it contains all the important words in the english language...
19:58:44 <rapido> are there any new esolangs lately that introduce a completely new paradigm? i.e. the social network language?
19:58:48 <elliott> ais523: hmm, third-best then
19:58:54 <elliott> rapido: the... social network language?
19:59:03 <elliott> rapido: there's Feather :-D
19:59:23 <ais523> but Feather's just OO done right
19:59:25 <ais523> it isn't a new paradigm
19:59:48 <elliott> ais523: no, you _thought_ Feather was OO done right
19:59:51 <ais523> (note: for certain insane values of "right")
19:59:56 <elliott> but i'm fairly sure it ended up actually being not OO at all :)
20:00:11 <cpressey> I was going to say 'for certain excessively-dimensional values of "right"'
20:00:13 <oklopol> no, at some point feather will have been oo done right all along
20:00:15 <elliott> well, sufficiently different
20:00:32 <rapido> hey - it is not OO - it is PO now: Person(al) Oriented language
20:01:14 <rapido> PO languages have relationships
20:01:26 <elliott> rapido: this sounds terrible
20:01:32 <ais523> elliott: I think rapido's trying to invent a new paradigm
20:01:37 <ais523> and who cares if it's terrible
20:01:39 <elliott> i know, i'm commenting on it :D
20:01:46 <elliott> hey, you don't know that that isn't a compliment.
20:01:48 <ais523> this is definitely the right channel for terrible paradigms
20:01:57 <oerjan> "Please calculate 2+2" "Sorry, I have a headache"
20:02:15 <rapido> oerjan: yes, some expressions are feminine
20:02:34 <oklopol> before you can use an object, you have to move it along your code for a sufficiently long time so it starts trusting you
20:02:40 <cpressey> SORRY NOT RELEVANT TO PRESENT CONVERSATION
20:02:42 <oklopol> send it as arguments to functions and stuff
20:03:04 <elliott> (by which I mean, the worst)
20:03:25 <oerjan> cpressey: hey C++ is person oriented, it annoys everyone!
20:03:27 <oklopol> then of course it might get jealous if you start calling the members of another object
20:03:58 <Sgeo> Gets very jealous if you break the encapsulation of another object
20:03:58 <oklopol> and if you forget to use encapsulation you might get a sexfault
20:04:45 <rapido> ok - you guys are *much* better at PO than I am - how do I learn this new language?
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20:05:29 <oklopol> i'm very good at objectifying people
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20:10:26 <oklopol> and eating too much, apparently
20:10:48 <Gregor> Eating too much ... PERSON?
20:12:37 <rapido> ah, this PO stuff is boring
20:13:20 <rapido> what about a tumble oriented language? digital stuff gets tumbled around until something falls out of the tumble
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20:13:33 <oklopol> so i suppose your nick is rapide because of your short attention span
20:14:44 <oklopol> rapido: so all kinds of random stuff happens?
20:15:27 <cpressey> i imagine the idea would be to build the right kind of filter to prevent everything except what you want to happen, from happening
20:15:33 <cpressey> or at least, i've had that idea before
20:18:05 <rapido> oklopol: not random - at least it should be repeatable
20:19:03 <Gregor> I SHALL GRIND MY SHEEP TO MAKE MY DOUGHNUTS
20:19:04 <rapido> if you tumble long enough the 'result' will eventually fall out of the tumble
20:19:15 <oklopol> so how about, there's this infinite binary tape for memory and a tape head, the +- operation puts random stuff under the head, the <> operation moves the head to a random direction, . and , do something random and [...] executes a random program until the current cell is a random number
20:20:17 <rapido> cpressey: <filter to prevent everything except what you want to happen, from happening> PROLOG?
20:20:27 <elliott> what's that got to do with prolog?
20:20:38 <ais523> elliott: it's basically how Proud works
20:20:44 <ais523> except Proud is uncomputable because of it
20:20:48 <ais523> also because of things like comparing functions
20:20:58 <cpressey> Thue might be a better comparison
20:21:15 <cpressey> or Strelnokoff if you like imperative programming
20:21:22 * Sgeo WTFs at his old indentation style
20:21:49 <rapido> aye - my baby girl is crying - will be back later.......
20:22:19 <Sgeo> What.. indentation style is thi? http://pastie.org/1736638
20:22:48 <cpressey> "i hate you, future maintainer of this program" indentation style
20:23:24 <Sgeo> cpressey, fortunately for me, after writing it, I never touched it again
20:23:59 <elliott> that's actually a real style
20:23:59 <oerjan> <Gregor> I SHALL GRIND MY SHEEP TO MAKE MY DOUGHNUTS <-- i think your recipe may have some typos
20:24:11 <elliott> that a lot of (crazy) people swear by
20:24:31 <elliott> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indent_style#Banner_style
20:24:34 <Sgeo> ...I'm not even consistent with it, apparently
20:24:50 <Sgeo> Oh wait, that's someone else's code that I took for mine
20:25:13 <elliott> everyone knows whitesmiths is the best
20:25:42 <elliott> ais523: tell the children about YOUR very own indentation style
20:26:13 <ais523> admittedly, I only use that one when trying to annoy people
20:26:27 <ais523> also, the closing }s stack if there are many in a row
20:26:37 <ais523> elliott: no, then it wouldn't make logical sense
20:28:14 <Sgeo> ais523, isn't that what the article calls Lisp-style?
20:28:26 <ais523> the trailing-{ trailing-} thing is entirely logical, just unusual
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20:29:46 <elliott> cpressey: no, I think that style is pretty much objectively perfect
20:29:56 <elliott> except maybe putting all braces of any kind at column 80
20:30:06 <elliott> it'll look just like Python with pseudorandom margin contents
20:30:29 <Gregor> <elliott> it'll look just like Python with pseudorandom margin contents <--- yessssssssss
20:30:44 <cpressey> objective perfection is a personal thing
20:31:04 <elliott> EVERYTHING IS SUBJECTIVE apart from the fact that everything is subjective
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20:31:57 <elliott> Gregor: omg it's so beautiful
20:31:58 <oklopol> lol i read that as everything is surjective
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20:32:23 <Gregor> elliott: abort(); }} <-- I disagree with this line.
20:32:33 <oklopol> only if you choose your codomains carefully
20:32:36 <Gregor> elliott: There should be one more space.
20:32:53 <elliott> Gregor: But then it'd overflow (if I hadn't gone off-by-one and accidentally left a tree column)
20:33:08 <elliott> That means that if you nest too deeply, all your {}s get pushed too far to the left.
20:33:14 <elliott> Because of the massive } stack needing spaces.
20:33:43 <ais523> elliott: that's actually quite nice, except it's so hard to visually check that the indentation and {/} correspond
20:33:52 <Gregor> elliott: Better than pushing them into the code :P
20:34:10 <elliott> ais523: just leave it up to trust!
20:34:18 <elliott> Gregor: That's the thing, it WOULD.
20:34:25 <elliott> If you had a long enough } stack, and wanted to avoid getting past column 80,
20:34:31 <elliott> all the {s would have to be aligned with the fisrt } in the } stack.
20:34:34 <ais523> elliott: you know someone would get it wrong while trying to edit an existing program
20:34:35 <elliott> Since it's long, they'd go leftwards.
20:34:39 <elliott> They might even collide with your code!
20:34:47 <elliott> ais523: LET'S MAKE EMACS DO IT AUTOMATICALLY
20:36:07 <elliott> cpressey: IT WAS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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20:37:51 <Sgeo> I just monologued in an atheist channel about looking for God.
20:39:08 <elliott> Sgeo: welcome to Christianity, brother!
20:39:27 <Gregor> s/Christianity/esotericism/
20:39:32 <Gregor> OR ARE YOU LOCKED IN A MATRIX OF SOLIDITY?
20:40:03 <Phantom_Hoover> NOW THAT HE IS FREED OF THE MATRIX OF SOLIDITY WE CAN MOCK HIM IN SO MANY OTHER WAYS
20:40:24 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, I wrote tests for God a while back, but they kind of require God to intimately understand computer technology.
20:40:24 <cpressey> He's always in the last place you look
20:40:40 <Sgeo> I want to lessen it so that God just needs to be able to read, and have a bit better vision
20:41:07 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, isn
20:41:08 <elliott> Sgeo: I thought you already disproved the existence of God with Prolog.
20:41:12 <elliott> What more is there to do?!
20:41:39 <Sgeo> elliott, no, only an all-powerful all-good God.. for some definitions of all-powerful and all-good, come to think of it.
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20:41:53 <Sgeo> Oh, I think I included all-knowing in that mix
20:42:07 <oklopol> in 100 years people will be laughing at the thought of there even being a way to express such meaningless things as "god" in natural language. of course i suppose they would have to laugh alone.
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20:44:47 <cpressey> in 100 years natural language will evolve static checking capabilities that prevents it from expressing any meaningless idea
20:44:58 <elliott> also, most meaningful ones
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20:45:31 <oerjan> elliott: doubleplus good!
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20:53:38 <Phantom_Hoover> I told someone claiming that MC was aimless and crap that I would care about his opinions when he finished Nethack.
20:54:36 <cpressey> Did you then trap him in a wormhole?
20:55:21 <cpressey> Then embed the wormhole in a tesseract, then plunge the tesseract into the heart of the sun? Because that's what I would have done.
20:55:44 <cpressey> All while listening to a Rush album. Although I can't decide which one right now.
20:56:11 <oerjan> those poor roasted worms
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20:59:09 <Phantom_Hoover> Would you recommend this as the music of choice for scientific megalomania?
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20:59:40 <cpressey> I realized that what I was saying had no real scientific consistency, so prog rock seemed somehow appropriate.
20:59:41 <oerjan> cpressey: if you plunge a wormhole into the sun, you really want to be careful where you put the other end. just saying.
20:59:44 <Gregor> Megalomania needs Mussorgski.
21:00:34 <oerjan> and his exhibitionist pictures
21:01:54 <oerjan> hm wouldn't that essentially end up splitting the sun in two...
21:02:18 <cpressey> Oh, no. The tesseract would prevent that.
21:02:38 <oerjan> i was speaking about wormholes in general, though.
21:02:49 <impomatic> Reddit seems to be playing up here :-(
21:03:05 <Phantom_Hoover> <oerjan> hm wouldn't that essentially end up splitting the sun in two...
21:03:14 <oerjan> it was fine a while ago
21:03:23 <Phantom_Hoover> I was about to say it wouldn't but on second thoughts it actually would.
21:03:29 <cpressey> oh, is this the Elastic Breakage Store doing its thing again?
21:04:10 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: it might take quite a while to reach balance, though, dependent on how fast the gas could push through the hole...
21:04:37 <oerjan> hm maybe the gas rushing out would be so fast it actually escaped...
21:04:52 * Phantom_Hoover realises he has strayed into general relativity country.
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21:05:20 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: hm that is an interesting question, would the other end attract its surroundings with the full force of the sun or not...
21:05:56 <oerjan> if _not_, then it would increase the chance of the gas escaping, i should think
21:06:19 <cpressey> you know, i shouldn't even start.
21:07:24 <oerjan> <Phantom_Hoover> Would you recommend this as the music of choice for scientific megalomania? <-- indeed, Also Sprach Zarathustra should be the thing
21:07:35 <elliott> cpressey: wait, you... work... at work? I don't understand this
21:07:52 <elliott> the internet told me work was where you visited the SFW parts of the internet!
21:10:56 * oerjan starts imagining a porn star being scolded for visiting inappropriate internet sites at work
21:11:13 <impomatic> Elliott: are you still working on the Forth?
21:11:38 <elliott> impomatic: not really, with the amount of bytes it was taking up I seriously doubt I could have fit it in to the number of bytes I had
21:11:48 <oerjan> YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING PORN, NOT THESE RAGE COMICS
21:12:11 <elliott> oerjan: "What's this?... KITTENS?"
21:15:31 <oerjan> "No sir, those are rabbits." "Oh, OK then."
21:18:24 <oerjan> depends on the sorting option, i think
21:18:52 <oerjan> actually the displayed scores _are_ supposed to be upvotes - downvotes.
21:19:29 <oerjan> however, the displayed upvotes and downvotes are fudged for spammer confusing reasons
21:20:13 <oerjan> (they don't want sockpuppet voters to know if their voting was detected as spam or not)
21:20:59 <oerjan> the difference between upvotes and downvotes is supposedly kept correct, however.
21:23:56 <elliott> ais523: [[Go through the entire game with your starting equipment. This is a difficult task, due to the fact that you cannot use any rings, amulets, weapons, spellbooks, or items other than the ones with which you started. This is nearly impossible for the Tourist, due to the class's nature of buying items to start.
21:23:56 <elliott> Exceptions are allowed for the Amulet of Yendor, the Bell of Opening, and any of the items absolutely necessary to retrieve the Amulet of Yendor or the quest artifact that you earn through the quest. --Edrobot]]
21:24:07 <elliott> (yes, yes, wrong channel, it's only three lines)
21:24:13 <oerjan> as a result for most popular posts the fraction of displayed upvotes is always close to 2/3.
21:24:16 <ais523> elliott: is that the Stupid Ascension Tricks list?
21:24:24 <elliott> ais523: nope, [[Unofficial conduct]]
21:24:28 <elliott> ais523: I suspect the poster is mad
21:24:49 <ais523> possible but very difficult, as it means you're going without reflection or MR, possibly both
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21:26:17 <elliott> nope, i'm here to bother oerjan
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21:27:59 <oerjan> cpressey: clearly in his heart he doesn't want to stay away, but if we remind him he might stubbornly resist...
21:28:38 <oerjan> elliott: well you've already been reminded
21:29:02 <elliott> seriously though, i'm only here right now because of ch2 :P
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21:29:38 <Phantom_Hoover> Gregor, hmm, which Mussorgsky would you recommend for SCIENCE?
21:29:49 <oerjan> i note that ch2 isn't actually _here_...
21:29:50 <Phantom_Hoover> Nothing in Pictures At An Exhibition really fits, IIRC.
21:30:12 <oerjan> Also Sprach Zarathustra, i said!
21:30:44 <Gregor> I'm getting afraid w.r.t libc.so D-8
21:30:53 <Gregor> It's up to $180 already D-8
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21:31:48 <cpressey> Phantom_Hoover: it sounds like a brand of herbal tea
21:32:10 <elliott> <oerjan> i note that ch2 isn't actually _here_...
21:32:14 <elliott> well it has a bug that i'm busy staring at
21:32:51 <elliott> server_read_line is ugly :(
21:33:08 <Phantom_Hoover> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/geq88/ok_so_most_of_you_dont_like_microsoft_what_could/
21:34:02 <cpressey> why am i clicking your link why why
21:34:02 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: not loading for me, what's the rest of the question?
21:34:08 <ais523> (that's the only reason I clicked hte link)
21:34:19 <ais523> ah, "OK so most of you don't like Microsoft. What could Microsoft do for you to change your mind and make you like them?"
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21:35:31 <elliott> give me a copy of Windows 8 Beta, that's what
21:35:55 <cpressey> After much consideration: nothing
21:36:00 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: see Gregor
21:36:20 <cpressey> the draw is that Gregor is awesome
21:36:21 <Gregor> The problem is that they've lost our trust. Everything they do is so suspicious that it's impossible for them to dig themselves out.
21:36:30 <Phantom_Hoover> cpressey, hmm, what if they stopped retarding OS design and actually, like, made @?
21:36:48 <Gregor> Phantom_Hoover: I thought you said "stopped' elliott: OH BURN
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21:37:38 <elliott> cpressey: dynamic meta-reflexive hyperspatial self-modifying recursive system @!!!
21:37:50 <elliott> TWISTY PERSISTY RECURSIVE SYSTEM @
21:38:31 <oerjan> system @, recommended by cousin itt
21:38:58 <cpressey> another #esoteric in-vaporware, I assume?
21:39:12 <cpressey> in-vaporware in analogy with in-joke
21:39:28 <elliott> cpressey: @ is a macro in the English language that expands to the (as of yet unknown) final name of what is sometimes referred to as ElliottOS.
21:39:46 <elliott> It is pronounced in the same way that the (as of yet unknown) final name of what is sometimes referred to as ElliottOS is pronounced.
21:41:13 <Gregor> SOMEBODY HELP ME THINK I COULD STILL WIN LIBC.SO D-8
21:42:05 <elliott> Gregor: just put more money in to it, moneybags
21:42:27 <Gregor> I can do that, but I'm not sure if putting myself into the poorhouse in the name of a domain name is such a good idea :P
21:42:32 <ais523> how high has the bidding gone?
21:42:49 <Gregor> $180, and it's only day three >_>
21:43:01 <ais523> I don't think it's worth $180, really
21:43:20 <Gregor> Then don't donate $180, donate less :P
21:43:23 <elliott> ais523: $180 is dirt-cheap for a domain name :)
21:43:38 <Gregor> s/domain/vanity domain/
21:43:42 <elliott> Gregor: After three days when you get bored of it you could sell it for a good amount of money. :P
21:44:03 <Gregor> The only time it will leave my possession is in my last will and testament.
21:44:18 <elliott> So kind of you to give me it!
21:44:27 <ais523> hmm, is this the price for earning the domain name forever?
21:44:29 <elliott> I WILL OUTLIVE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE OLD AND I AM LESS OLD
21:44:29 <ais523> or do you have to rent it?
21:44:40 <Gregor> ais523: You pay $10/yr
21:44:48 <elliott> Gregor: you could switch registrar, I think
21:44:58 <Gregor> elliott: And pay ... $10/yr :P
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21:52:58 <Ilari> Heh. New word: "comodogate".
22:10:58 <elliott> 12:38:48 <BlurredWe> so here's what I want to do: a shell script that runs under windows .bat interpreter and also under the sh interpreter. All it needs to do is 'echo "1 2 3" > $2'
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22:47:04 <Vorpal> elliott, hi, I found out how complex the health care system in df is. I think saying that there is a skill called "crutch walking" describes the overall complexity fairly well XD
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23:03:11 <elliott> oerjan: can I prod an underload question at you :D
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23:40:07 <catseye> yoob ( http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html ) can now run brainfuck, Befunge-93, and Ypsilax.
23:40:14 <Vorpal> elliott, df is really macabre. Want to hear a combat report?
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23:41:37 <Vorpal> elliott, well I'll post it anyway. One line from the multi-page report that is... "The Marksdwarf kicks The Panda in the head with his left foot, bruising the muscle, jamming the skull through the brain and tearing the brain!"
23:45:51 <oerjan> WHAT HOW DARE YOU LEAVE AND WASTE MY TIME
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