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00:04:59 <HackEgo> 10) <reddit user "othermatt"> So what you're saying is that I shouldn't lick my iPhone but instead I should rub it on my eyes first and then lick my eyeballs? \ 20) <FireFly> Meh <FireFly> ._. \ 30) <Deewiant> ehird: There is no h in "honour" \ 40) <lacota> I guess when you're immortal, mapping your fonts isn't necessary \ 46)
00:05:00 <zzo38_> 10) <reddit user "othermatt"> So what you're saying is that I shouldn't lick my iPhone but instead I should rub it on my eyes first and then lick my eyeballs? \ 20) <FireFly> Meh <FireFly> ._. \ 30) <Deewiant> ehird: There is no h in "honour" \ 40) <lacota> I guess when you're immortal, mapping your fonts isn't necessary \ 46)
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00:09:12 <zzo38> Is there no such things as quotation number zero?
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00:11:24 <zzo38> Hopefully I corrected HackEgo so that it will no longer cause unmentionable URLs and so on. I think I figured out how to correct it even though I am not Gregor
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00:13:33 <elliott_> OK that will get annoying quickly.
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00:13:50 <Gregor> `echo Now here's a bad idea.
00:13:52 <zzo38> Now here's a bad idea.
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00:14:06 <Gregor> Well, it was worth a shot :P
00:15:50 <zzo38> I think it allows you to force my client to send VERSION and such commands broadcast to channel even if HackEgo does not allow it. Try.
00:16:18 <Gregor> HackEgo filters out \x01
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00:16:38 <zzo38> I know, someone tried it before.
00:16:51 <zzo38> Try something else!
00:16:58 <elliott_> Gregor: Can't you just remove the funky char now that we don't get CTCPs? I promise not to cause any botloops. :p
00:17:19 <elliott_> It's kind of annoying that I have to ctrl-c alt-tab ctrl-v fn-left fn-backspace enter to follow a HackEgo link now.
00:17:43 <zzo38> elliott_: No, now you don't because I fixed it so that you don't have to do that to follow a link now.
00:18:37 <zzo38> But if Gregor want to remove it then please to do so, otherwise how can you it is their choices to make the program the way they liked it to be done.
00:19:15 <zzo38> The real problem(s) is elliott's computer seems the numbers are broke? Is it fixed yet?
00:19:47 <zzo38> Otherwise, we will simply have to deal with it... too bad...
00:20:04 <elliott_> zzo38: No, it is not fixed yet.
00:20:54 <zzo38> Well, OK, I think you ought to fix it soon. But if you don't want to then of course I cannot force you to do so. But I do highly advise to fix it.
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00:21:56 <zzo38> If you don't like this advice, then you can buy *bad* advice for 200+3i-sqrt(2+e^aleph0) zorkmids
00:22:17 <zzo38> Where x is your age in hours and y is your godfather's shoe size
00:22:34 <Sgeo> http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/article_25950
00:22:36 <elliott_> And if you have no godfather??
00:22:47 <Sgeo> Why does this review from 2000 mention TF2?
00:23:01 <Sgeo> Is the date wrong?
00:23:29 <Sgeo> Worse than PSOX!
00:23:29 <zzo38> elliott_: Then just make up a number for y and hope that it would in fact be their proper shoe size in case you did have a godfather and they had shoes. Because if you guess wrong then you make a mistake and have to try again sorry
00:23:38 <Sgeo> Except PSOX isn't exactly a fun game
00:23:40 <HackEgo> 207) <fungot> elliott: i like scsh's mechanism best: it's most transparent and doesn't really serve a very useful feature. \ 210) <fungot> elliott: it's hard to debug havoc on your mirror if you accidentally hit r, then a character could be multiple words long, depending on the task. \ 219) <Gregor> elliott: My university has two
00:23:41 <zzo38> 207) <fungot> elliott: i like scsh's mechanism best: it's most transparent and doesn't really serve a very useful feature. \ 210) <fungot> elliott: it's hard to debug havoc on your mirror if you accidentally hit r, then a character could be multiple words long, depending on the task. \ 219) <Gregor> elliott: My university has two
00:23:47 <tswett> e^aleph0? That... that's kind of a plausible cardinal number.
00:23:49 <Gregor> ... that's ... not pastequotes?
00:24:07 <Gregor> Oh, I see, it only pastes ALL quotes, making it equivalent to `url quotes >_<
00:24:10 <HackEgo> 1) <Aftran> I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 2) <Slereah> EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 3) <Quas_NaArt> Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... <Quas_NaArt> More practice is in order. \ 4) <AnMaster> that's where I
00:24:10 <zzo38> 1) <Aftran> I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 2) <Slereah> EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 3) <Quas_NaArt> Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... <Quas_NaArt> More practice is in order. \ 4) <AnMaster> that's where I
00:24:27 <tswett> Clearly, it's at least 2^aleph0 and at most 3^aleph0, buth of which are equal to 2^aleph0.
00:24:32 <elliott_> Gregor: How is that pastequotes?
00:24:40 <Gregor> I didn't touch pastequotes.
00:24:45 <elliott_> Gregor: And no, it is NOT equivalent.
00:24:49 <elliott_> pasteallquotes or whatever numbers them.
00:24:50 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ if [ "$1" ]; then quote "$1"; else allquotes; fi | paste
00:24:50 <zzo38> #!/bin/sh \ if [ "$1" ]; then quote "$1"; else allquotes; fi | paste
00:24:59 <elliott_> zzo38: Seriously that is annoying.
00:25:11 <HackEgo> #!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ PASTE=- \ else \ PASTE="$1" \ fi \ \ PASTENUM="$RANDOM" \ \ mkdir -p $HACKENV/paste \ \ echo ' http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.'"$PASTENUM" \ cat "$PASTE" > $HACKENV/paste/paste."$PASTENUM"
00:25:16 <zzo38> Now it is off. But later I might turn back on if caused more problems
00:25:29 <zzo38> That is, hopefully I did in fact turn it off and it is not a mistake
00:25:53 <zzo38> Now see if pastequotes is not broken
00:26:52 <HackEgo> 1) <Aftran> I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 2) <Slereah> EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 3) <Quas_NaArt> Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... <Quas_NaArt> More practice is in order. \ 4) <AnMaster> that's where I
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00:34:41 <elliott_> Gregor: Does any JVM compile with NestedVM?
00:36:07 <elliott_> What about gcj? OK, not a JVM as such, but...
00:36:25 <elliott_> If so: Woo NestedVM is... self-hosting... sort of :P
00:36:26 <Gregor> Probably wouldn't, NestedVM isn't really much of a platform ..
00:36:38 <elliott_> Gregor: I just meant gcj compiling to xeightsix or whatever.
00:37:04 <elliott_> 21:30:13: <GregorR> http://groups.google.com/group/nestedvm/browse_thread/thread/f11cc0b0e9a9b584 < I need sys_select in NestedVM to port Java.
00:37:05 <elliott_> 21:30:19: <GregorR> To port DirectNet.
00:37:31 <Gregor> No, gcj TARGETTING NestedVM is no problem.
00:37:48 <elliott_> 21:44:51: <calamari> GregorR: btw where do you work?
00:37:48 <elliott_> 21:45:00: <calamari> don't say microsoft
00:37:52 <elliott_> Gregor: Nonono, I just mean, something that lets you do
00:37:58 <Gregor> But gcj RUNNING on NestedVM ... I doubt it.
00:38:05 <elliott_> You want me to compile something?
00:38:25 <Gregor> Yes, that would be GCJ /running on/ NestedVM.
00:38:36 <Gregor> However, NestedVM isn't much of a platform.
00:38:46 <elliott_> Isn't gcj written in C++ though???
00:38:51 <elliott_> I can't imagine it uses too many weird syscalls.
00:39:05 <Gregor> It's just a bit Unixy, like any other GCC.
00:43:01 <ralc> would you consider haskell an esoteric language?
00:43:46 <elliott_> It's not esoteric in the sense that it's widely used and "accepted".
00:43:49 <Gregor> Why would you pour gasoline all over the channel then drop a match?
00:43:59 <elliott_> It's esoteric in the sense that it's very different from current common practice.
00:44:09 <elliott_> It's hard to define esoteric is without a frame of reference :)
00:44:16 <elliott_> For a mathematician, Haskell is pretty damn conventional.
00:44:20 <elliott_> Gregor: Please, everyone here likes Haskell.
00:44:33 <Sgeo> WHY DOES CHROME KEEP DELETING MY COOKIES
00:46:28 <elliott_> "One of the registers--fr--is distinguished as the "free list" register, and is initialized to point to an infinite list of NIL's."
00:48:22 <elliott_> Proposition 1. List cell reference counts are conserved and are always identically 1.
00:48:22 <elliott_> Proof by induction [Suzuki82,s.4]. All cons cells start out with unity reference counts, and are only manipulated by exchanges which preserve reference counts. QED
00:58:31 <zzo38> Sgeo: Because you pushed DELETE or because Chrome is automatic, I don't know if it has a manual mode, it is because Google try to make everything go automatic by Google
00:59:13 <zzo38> Maybe there is some fork with manual override you can check
01:01:32 <zzo38> I wondered if anyone would make the suggestion I made to add to the Forth codes for anarchy golf, to improve compatibility with different versions
01:03:05 <elliott_> `addquote <zzo38> Sgeo: Because you pushed DELETE or because Chrome is automatic, I don't know if it has a manual mode, it is because Google try to make everything go automatic by Google
01:03:07 <HackEgo> 422) <zzo38> Sgeo: Because you pushed DELETE or because Chrome is automatic, I don't know if it has a manual mode, it is because Google try to make everything go automatic by Google
01:03:41 <Sgeo> Chrome is not a car.
01:03:47 <Sgeo> It is, instead, a cdr.
01:05:51 <zzo38> Which code golf are you best at?
01:06:43 <Gregor> New super-villain idea:
01:08:12 <zzo38> OK now write the book or whatever it might be
01:16:09 <Gregor> `addquote <eboyjr> hobbes, your mom is fat <Hobbes> your code snippets mom
01:16:11 <HackEgo> 423) <eboyjr> hobbes, your mom is fat <Hobbes> your code snippets mom
01:16:24 <Gregor> `addquote (Hobbes is a chatterbot) <eboyjr> hobbes, your mom is fat <Hobbes> your code snippets mom
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01:16:25 <HackEgo> 423) (Hobbes is a chatterbot) <eboyjr> hobbes, your mom is fat <Hobbes> your code snippets mom
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01:30:24 <elliott_> Gregor: The three spaces are just to antagonise me, right? :P
01:30:41 <HackEgo> 1) <Aftran> I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 2) <Slereah> EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 3) <Quas_NaArt> Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... <Quas_NaArt> More practice is in order. \ 4) <AnMaster> that's where I
01:30:57 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/pastequotes
01:31:01 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/paste
01:31:23 <Gregor> elliott_: You mean ... the two quotes?
01:31:38 <elliott_> Look at http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/pastequotes.
01:31:51 <elliott_> <HackEgo> 1) <Aftran> I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ 2) <Slereah> EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 3) <Quas_NaArt> Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... <Quas_NaArt> More practice is in order. \ 4) <AnMaster> that's where I
01:32:21 <Gregor> `run echo foobar | paste
01:32:24 <tswett> Have I already said that "Luaapi" would make an excellent Finnish word?
01:32:30 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/paste
01:32:32 <elliott_> Gregor: I JUST DID THAT YOU IDIOT >_<
01:32:57 <Gregor> elliott_: I needed to see it for myself :P
01:33:01 <elliott_> Disturbing potential for collisions there :P
01:33:10 <elliott_> Although, they're hg'd, so meh
01:33:31 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
01:33:38 <elliott_> BTW, if anyone is wondering, the Antarctica international airport /sucks/.
01:34:05 <Gregor> ... there is an Antarctica International Airport? :P
01:34:09 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5896
01:34:10 <zzo38> OK that is good advice I can tell someone if they planned to go there
01:34:14 <elliott_> Yes, and they have street lamps in Antarctica, too.
01:34:27 <elliott_> They turn on a short while after it gets dark.
01:34:52 <Gregor> And then turn of six months later, when it gets light.
01:34:59 <elliott_> That's only at the South Pole :P
01:35:06 <elliott_> The airport is pretty well-lit, though, and the walls are glass, so it acts as a sort of light.
01:35:22 <elliott_> Basically I was at the airport to get a flight back...
01:35:24 <tswett> Why would there not be an international airport in Antarctica?
01:35:29 <elliott_> ...but they offered me a car back instead.
01:35:36 <elliott_> And, I just didn't really trust a car with the sea ice, so yeah.
01:35:46 <elliott_> But then I found out they had a train back and that sounded safest and funnest.
01:35:50 <elliott_> So I decided to take the train instead.
01:35:53 <elliott_> But it never arrived and then I woke up.
01:35:55 <tswett> If there weren't one, people would have to either sail to Antarctica, or first go to a country that has territory in Antarctica.
01:36:07 <elliott_> Conclusion: Fuck Antarctica International Airport.
01:36:22 <elliott_> tswett: Sailing to Antarctica is pretty common y'know :P
01:36:30 <coppro> elliott_: that sounds difficult
01:36:37 <elliott_> I don't think they DO have an international airport, actually.
01:36:43 <elliott_> IIRC flights are generally done via New Zealand or similar.
01:36:44 <coppro> elliott_: I mean, a whole airport?
01:36:53 <elliott_> It's a pretty small airport mind you.
01:37:02 <elliott_> In actual fact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_Antarctica
01:37:02 <tswett> Well, they have an airport that accepts airplanes that aren't from Antarctica. :P
01:37:08 <elliott_> I like how your choice of runway material is gravel, snow, or ice.
01:37:21 <elliott_> Also: variable elevation levels of an airport.
01:37:33 <elliott_> Admittedly, the definition of "airport" here is something like "thing with runway markers on it".
01:37:39 <zzo38> What would be your opinion if TeX has a command to select the lesser bad?
01:38:13 <elliott_> Gregor: The South Pole is awesomely fucked, though; not only do they have six month long days, but it literally has no timezone :P
01:38:32 <elliott_> (They just use New Zealand time, though, because they're TOTALLY BORING.)
01:38:37 <zzo38> elliott_: Do they then have to, whenever they tell the time, have to specify time zone letter?
01:38:47 <elliott_> What they SHOULD do is put twelve am in the middle of the day period, and stretch out the entire year to twenty-four hours.
01:38:47 <Gregor> Well of course it has no timezone...
01:39:00 <elliott_> Gregor: Yeah, but it's still a fun fact :P
01:39:03 <zzo38> They should do then, such as 12:00Z and so on is one way
01:39:20 <elliott_> Gregor: I mean, obviously it's because it exists OUTSIDE OF TIME.
01:39:45 <tswett> I've always wondered what Antarctic compass roses look like.
01:40:02 <zzo38> How can use a compass on South Pole?
01:40:02 <elliott_> tswett: They're this gigantic circular arrow marked "S".
01:40:05 <elliott_> tswett: They're this gigantic circular arrow marked "N".
01:40:15 <elliott_> zzo38: At the magnetic poles, compasses just flail about wildly, unless you hold them horizontally.
01:40:26 <elliott_> This is hilarious to me for some reason.
01:40:33 <elliott_> That is, hold them vertically, or whatever.
01:40:42 <tswett> Instead of "NESW", do they go "Greenwich, 90 Degrees East of Greenwich, Opposite Greenwich, 90 Degrees West of Greenwich"? :P
01:40:51 <elliott_> tswett: I don't think they make Antarctic compass roses :P
01:41:00 <tswett> Do Antarctic maps just not have compass roses?
01:41:22 <tswett> I refuse to believe that.
01:41:32 <elliott_> http://www.google.com/search?q=antarctic+map&hl=en&safe=off&client=ubuntu&hs=qER&channel=fs&prmd=ivnsm&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ZS_PTej2BNSahQeUzcyNDQ&ved=0CBwQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=675
01:41:37 <elliott_> Preliminary evidence suggests yes.
01:42:08 <elliott_> http://www.animalbase.uni-goettingen.de/mapimage/map-antarctica-victoria-land.jpg ;; this is all the penguins in Antarctica.
01:42:23 <elliott_> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_would_you_write_a_compass_rose_on_a_map_of_Antarctica
01:42:28 <elliott_> How can anyone else have asked this question before.
01:42:35 <elliott_> "Since a compass rose is a figure, actually, you'd draw one, not write one."
01:42:39 <elliott_> OK this answer has started off on a really irritating note.
01:42:53 <tswett> Aha! http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=antarctic+compass+rose
01:43:12 <elliott_> That's some geocaching thing, it seems.
01:43:14 <elliott_> At least the first few results.
01:43:17 <tswett> Obviously, they look like that.
01:43:27 <elliott_> http://www.geocaching.com/track/details.aspx?id=2381839&page=6
01:43:37 <tswett> With, like, Zodiac symbols.
01:43:57 <elliott_> Let's go to the South Pole and deface it with a compass rose, all marked "N".
01:44:28 <tswett> You know, that actually wouldn't be a bad way to mark an Antarctic compass rose.
01:44:42 <elliott_> It would be the most hilarious way :P
01:44:49 <elliott_> Better if it had an infinite number of arrows on it, all marked "N".
01:44:52 <tswett> Since each sign of the zodiac is associated with a longitude.
01:44:58 <tswett> Yes, but which infinite number?
01:45:06 <Gregor> It would be the only sensible way ...
01:45:06 <tswett> Aleph_0? 2^aleph_0? Something in between?
01:45:13 <tswett> Gregor: what would? The zodiac?
01:45:22 <Gregor> I'm lagged all to hell X_X
01:45:37 <tswett> I disagree. Marking a compass rose with the zodiac would be unbearably sensible.
01:46:07 <zzo38> I didn't know zodiac works like that.
01:46:24 <tswett> Wikipedia... kind of suggests that it does.
01:47:21 <elliott_> Absfdbffgjdgojgdrjgodg. The end.
01:50:20 <tswett> So, yes. We'll say that towards Greenwich is Aries, east of Greenwich is Cancer, opposite Greenwich is Libra, and west of Greenwich is Capricorn.
01:50:45 <tswett> elliott_ obviously finds this an unbearably sensible system.
01:50:56 <elliott_> I'm having an aneurysm thanks to you.
01:53:08 <tswett> Actually, we'll want to use adjectives. Those are nouns.
01:54:49 <tswett> So. Arian (not to be confused with Aryan), cancerian, libran, and capricornian.
01:55:11 <tswett> Actually, those are too long.
01:56:35 <tswett> Someone who edits Wicapedia?
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02:00:27 <elliott_> dr_undecided seems very indecisive.
02:01:19 <tswett> On the contrary. dr_undecided has an opinion about everything.
02:01:36 <tswett> He believes that P does not equal NP, and that the Riemann hypothesis is true.
02:02:24 <elliott_> tswett: HOW CAN YOU PREDICT SUCH THINGS
02:03:09 <tswett> He also believes that Goldbach's conjecture and the Collatz conjecture are both true, and that there are infinitely many pairs of twin primes but their frequency drops very quickly.
02:03:14 <tswett> elliott_: in dr_undecided's opinion, no.
02:03:20 <zzo38> I cannot make NS GHOST tswett
02:03:43 <dr_undecided> haha, i think you deduced it from "dr" in my username
02:04:16 <elliott_> dr_undecided: You come from the wiki?
02:04:38 <dr_undecided> No, I was just browsing the list of channels on freenode
02:05:09 <zzo38> There is many channel in here this one has strange thing sometimes (and often)
02:05:13 <elliott_> Well, FWIW our wiki is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
02:05:18 <elliott_> And this is a channel about esoteric programming languages
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02:11:07 * elliott_ briefly considers not messing with dr_undecided.
02:11:29 <tswett> dr_undecided also believes that there is a symmetric encryption scheme that can encrypt in linear time but is invulnerable to ciphertext-only attacks taking less than exponential time.
02:12:08 <elliott_> E also believes that exponentiation is total.
02:12:29 <elliott_> dr_undecided just passed the initiation ritual
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02:13:25 <tswett> E believes that exponentiation has a value for all complex inputs except for bases of 0 and exponents with negative real part.
02:13:35 <tswett> Hi, dr_undecided. I'm just explaining some of your other opinions.
02:14:47 <dr_undecided> Hi tswett, Im going to sit back and watch for some time
02:15:05 <tswett> I've got to go to bed, by the way.
02:15:56 <tswett> dr_undecided believes that the Mandelbrot set is locally connected.
02:18:47 <zzo38> dr_undecided: Do you know of any esoteric programming?
02:19:09 <elliott_> zzo38: we've already gone through that.
02:19:54 <zzo38> Is the doctor of "undecided"?
02:22:51 <zzo38> dr_undecided: No, INTERCAL and brainfuck and stuff like that counts generally, Java does not usually count (although some people say it does, but the canonical idea is that it doesn't count).
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03:08:11 <augur> fizzie: http://wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/paper.full.pdf
03:10:31 <elliott_> "Source: Some guy on the Internet."
03:10:41 <elliott_> Wow opening that crashed Firefox somehow.
03:11:26 <augur> elliott_: source: me
03:11:37 <augur> oh, you mean the data source?
03:11:46 <augur> not just ONE guy on the internet
03:11:52 <elliott_> MULTIPLE PEOPLE on the Internet.
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03:12:02 <augur> and one guy IN PERSON
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03:12:44 <augur> theres no reason to think fizzie was being a jerk and messing with the data :|
03:13:20 <augur> he'd have to be amazingly good at reading minds over the internet, seeing as how it fits the predictions without him even knowing what the predictions are!
03:13:58 <elliott_> And then tell you I lied after you put it up, so you have to go and fix it.
03:14:18 <augur> elliott_: yes, except it'd be obvious that you lied
03:14:26 <augur> inconsistencies across sentences, for instance
03:14:33 <elliott_> No, I'd just lie consistently.
03:14:44 <elliott_> Alternatively: There's no dialect with inconsistencies? :-)
03:15:01 <augur> inconsistencies are far rarer than people realize
03:15:58 <augur> they might. what people think of as inconsistencies are usually not inconsistencies at all
03:16:07 <augur> theyre just different grammars
03:16:24 <augur> people tend to try to make sense of things by analogy to their own grammars, which is error prone
03:16:29 <elliott_> So it wouldn't be OBVIOUS I'm lying :)
03:16:38 <augur> actually it wouldve
03:16:43 <augur> because im a trained linguist!
03:17:39 <elliott_> Well, no, it'd also be possible that my dialect is just really fucked up.
03:17:58 <elliott_> Maybe linguists have been systematically ignoring how fucked up it is because they assume we're all lying!
03:19:00 <augur> its happened before
03:19:13 <augur> but not before being caught
03:19:18 <augur> not without being caught?
03:19:27 <elliott_> Whatever you asked all these grubby people.
03:19:41 <augur> why? you speak english
03:19:56 <elliott_> Ask anyway, I just want a chance to lie flagrantly.
03:20:48 <augur> you can do that any time you like
03:21:38 <elliott_> I feel these are not the questions you asked everybody else.
03:21:51 <augur> they're certainly the ones i WOULDVE asked oklopol
03:22:05 <augur> or oklofok, as it were
03:22:58 <augur> elliott_: the questions were pretty simple
03:23:30 <augur> translate the following as completely as possible: John ate a hotdog and Susan ate a hamburger, John has eaten a hotdog and Susan has eaten a hamburger, John talked to Susan on Tuesday and to Stephen on Wednesday, Every girl will vote yes and her father will vote no, Most dogs love Alpo and most cats love Whiskas, Most dogs have eaten Alpo and most cats have eaten Whiskas
03:23:50 <elliott_> John ate a hotdog and Susan ate a hamburger, John has eaten a hotdog and Susan has eaten a hamburger, John talked to Susan on Tuesday and to Stephen on Wednesday, Every girl will vote yes and her father will vote no, Most dogs love Alpo and most cats love Whiskas, Most dogs have eaten Alpo and most cats have eaten Whiskas
03:24:32 <augur> is this acceptable on the reading just translated: John ate a hotdog and Susan a hamburger
03:24:58 <elliott_> I... can't parse that statement
03:25:25 <augur> that completes this question session
03:25:42 <elliott_> "is this acceptable on the reading just translated"
03:26:06 <augur> can I say "John ate a hotdog and Susan a hamburger" to mean "John ate a hotdog and Susan ate a hamburger"
03:26:41 <elliott_> i thought those were identical statements
03:27:11 <augur> http://wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/elliottqs.txt
03:27:27 <augur> 1, 3, 8, 11, 15, and 20 are the base sentences
03:27:29 <elliott_> The answer to all of them is C
03:27:40 <augur> the sentences below them are modified by various deletions
03:27:41 <elliott_> 13. Every girl will vote yes and her father will no
03:27:46 <elliott_> Is that actually valid in any language? X-D
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03:28:07 <augur> well, none of the ones i looked at anyway
03:28:20 <augur> 12 is fine in all the languages with VP ellipsis
03:32:41 <augur> see you in a bit, elliott_
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03:34:07 <elliott_> augur: i decided to cheat the only way i knew how
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04:14:42 <elliott_> Wow, aspartame is five-dimensional.
04:14:57 <elliott_> Also water apparently, and that contains liquid gold.
04:15:25 <elliott_> OK, cows were created to turn three-dimensional food into five-dimensional flesh, and their purpose is to serve mankind by feeding us.
04:15:31 <elliott_> Which helps us to return home.
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04:22:54 <monqy> is this advanced vortex math
04:23:12 <monqy> or just the regular sort
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04:31:23 <elliott_> monqy: http://www.breatharian.com/breatharians.html
04:31:30 <elliott_> It's the greatest thing you'll read today.
04:32:06 <elliott_> My DNA came to Humanity by the means of THE ARK OF THE COVENANT and THE HOLY GRAIL and all of you in the World now hold this DNA in your blood.
04:32:06 <elliott_> My DNA runs in your veins and I come now to enliven it"
04:33:39 <elliott_> Question: If you are a true Breatharian why did you recommend a diet of diet coke and McDonald�s double-quarter-pounder with cheese meal?
04:38:13 <monqy> DO YOU KNOW THE BASE FREQUENCY OF THE DOUBLE-QUARTER-POUNDER WITH CHEESE MEAL FROM MCDONALD AND DIET COKE?
04:38:33 <elliott_> "( Click here ''Immortality workshops" for more info.)
04:38:33 <elliott_> WORKSHOPS MUST BE COMPLETED BEFORE DECEMBER 21, 2012"
04:38:55 <elliott_> AFTER 30 YEARS OF PREPARATIONS (VERY INTENSE FOCUS FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS) THE SEVERITY OF THIS INITIATION WAS ALMOST OVERWHIMMING.
04:38:55 <elliott_> FOR THE FIRST SIX FULL DAYS 24/7, MY BODY WAS COVERED IN 1ST AND 2ND DEGREE BURNS. WHILE IN THE MIST OF THIS INCREDIBLE PAIN AND HEAT, I BEGAN TO THE SMELL THE UNDENIABLE ODOR OF BURNING HUMAN FLESH AND TO MY SURPRISE I SMELLED ODORS OF MANY TOXINS I DID'NT EVEN KNOW I HAD IN MY BODY.
04:39:04 <elliott_> THE STRONGEST ODORS WERE OF COMMOND HOUSE PAINTS, WATER BASED, LEAD BASE, PAINTS FROM SPRAY CANS. I COULD FEEL LARGE AMOUNTS OF MERCURY AND LEAD POISONING FROM MY TEEN YEARS WHEN LEAD WAS USED FREELY IN PAINTS AND GASOLINE FOR THE AUTOMOBILE. THE MERCURY WAS FROM THE TOOTH FILLINGS THAT WERE POISONING ME FOR YEARS. AS MY LIFE WAS FLASHING BEFORE MY EYES I WAS MADE AWARE OF ALL THE THINGS I KNEW WER
04:39:04 <elliott_> E BAD FOR MY HEALTH BUT DID NOTHING ABOUT THEM. LIKE PLACES WHERE I HAD LIVED, SUCH AS IN VERY POLLUTED HOUSES OR CITIES AND REFUSED TO MOVE TO MORE HEALTHY ENVIRONMENTS.
04:39:19 <monqy> Here is a science article that’ll drive my point home.
04:39:30 <monqy> Here is a science article that’ll drive my point home.
04:39:41 <monqy> http://www.breatharian.com/brightstar.html the science article
04:40:14 <monqy> I don't know what the point is because I'm a horrible person and skipped to the bottom
04:42:38 <elliott_> In the "5D Q&A" section of his website Brooks explains that cows are fifth-dimensional (or higher) beings that help mankind achieve fifth-dimensional status by converting three-dimensional food to five-dimensional food (beef).[26] In the "Question and Answer" section of his website, Brooks explains that the "Double Quarter-Pounder with Cheese" meal from McDonald's possesses a special "base frequency"
04:42:38 <elliott_> and that he thus recommends it as occasional food for beginning breatharians.[27] He then goes on to reveal that Diet Coke is "liquid light".[27] Prospective disciples are asked after some time following the junk food/magic word preparation to revisit his website in order to test if they can feel the magic.[25]
04:42:41 <elliott_> i like how every single sentence has a citation
04:42:45 <elliott_> because otherwise nobody would believe it ever
04:42:52 <elliott_> Brooks states that he may be contacted on his fifth-dimensional phone in order to get the correct pronunciation of the five magic words.[25] In case the line is busy, prospective recruits are asked to meditate on the five magic words for a few minutes, and then try calling again.[25]
04:43:03 <elliott_> can you dial fifth-dimensional phone lines with a three-dimensional phone
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05:17:52 <elliott_> where's oerjan when you need him
05:52:40 <elliott_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gavinstubbs09/The_Linux_Group
05:58:21 <monqy> The Linux Group Application Suite programs cannot be downloaded for free - people have to buy them online. Some of their products are free of charge, also.
05:58:49 <monqy> is it worth the bucks
05:59:11 <elliott_> he added the criticism section to make it more neutral
05:59:14 <elliott_> The Linux Group has been accused by a few YouTube viewers saying that they don't review unknown Linux Operating Systems even know that is The Linux Group's priority. They are currently on the case to add more reviews talking about unknown Linux distros.
05:59:25 <elliott_> Google, Inc. (2011). Google thelg Search Results Retrieved March 30, 2011.
06:00:21 <elliott_> The Linux Group is currently working on a translator powered by Google Translate. This will be posted in due time for the release on 2/28/11.
06:00:29 <elliott_> http://thelg.weebly.com/tlg-app-suite-windows.html
06:00:38 <elliott_> Gavin recently showed a presentation to his 8th grade class for a "How to" project, thus, doing "How to Make an Computer Application." They all really liked it. He also has seen posts about it from classmates saying how great it was.
06:00:59 <elliott_> the linux group application suite
06:01:29 <monqy> http://thelg.weebly.com/uploads/5/0/5/2/5052994/310400.png?827
06:01:56 <monqy> Get your work done in style. and. work with fun background apps!
06:02:30 <Sgeo> Maybe it works perfectly on WINE? *really, really bad excuse making time*
06:02:50 <monqy> maybe it's a stupid 8th grader
06:03:52 <elliott_> and he'll be nice to all of them
06:03:55 <elliott_> and we'll have two fewer problems
06:04:47 <monqy> put them all in a small box and give them terminals to a virtual island
06:06:35 <Sgeo> "Windows 98FE"
06:07:23 <Sgeo> Ok, pointing out a typo is a bit silly
06:08:35 <Sgeo> <insert joke about user asking about Windows 97 here>
06:09:16 <Sgeo> <wait, can I put arbitrary IRP commands here?>
06:09:24 <Sgeo> <please, worship me>
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06:29:32 <cheater79> what's up my fellow drug dealers on boats in the ocean
06:30:04 <monqy> my boat is in a pond
06:32:42 <coppro> it amazes me that no one has made libuck yet
08:18:48 <elliott_> 15:43:40: <ais523> Damn, I just discovered that the IOCCC was open
08:18:51 <elliott_> 15:43:40: <ais523> Damn, I just discovered
08:18:53 <elliott_> 15:43:40: <ais523> Damn, I just
08:29:43 <elliott_> 01:00:35: * oerjan wonders if you could do reverse pointers - like COME FROM.
08:30:01 <elliott_> every value has either zero or one pointers pointing to it, but every pointer can point to multiple values
08:30:23 <elliott_> following a pointer requires traversing the entire address space, but backtracking from a value to its pointer is constant time
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08:32:58 <elliott_> that's the definition of a hash :)
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08:57:20 <Vorpal> elliott_, any news on computer?
08:57:35 <elliott_> i just... have you ever noticed like
08:57:37 <elliott_> how many things you can do in a life
08:57:49 <elliott_> mostly the stupid inconsequential ones involving wasting lots of time
08:58:06 <Vorpal> elliott_, yes I noticed, minor crisis a few years ago when I realised I really wanted to try more things than I could ever do in a lifetime
08:58:38 <lambdabot> Phantom_Hoover: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
08:58:45 <elliott_> "but how will I ever find the time to get shitted on by a bear wearing a top hat"
08:59:02 <Vorpal> <Phantom_Hoover> Make sure bungee jumping is near the end. <-- actually that is one of the few things I don't want to try
08:59:18 <Vorpal> but sure, I'll do it when I'm a spry 90-year old man or something
08:59:27 <Vorpal> elliott_, probably yes
08:59:29 <elliott_> Unless you're in for bear-shitting.
08:59:33 <elliott_> In which case I know a good bear.
08:59:53 <Vorpal> elliott_, I do want to hang-glide for example, but I doubt I would dare.
09:00:26 <Vorpal> parachuting would be fun too
09:00:30 <elliott_> hang gliding? meh, what about those guys who just jump off mountains and fly for minutes like feet above the ground and then are like "meh, I _guess_ I'll open this parachute now"
09:01:27 <elliott_> i'll probably jump out of an aeroplane or something at some point, since it doesn't really take very long and i probably won't die
09:01:33 <elliott_> and i guess it's probably worth doing
09:01:45 <Vorpal> elliott_, with a parachute yes
09:01:50 <Vorpal> otherwise you would die :P
09:01:52 <cheater79> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_development_philosophies < lol @ "dependency injection"
09:01:57 <Vorpal> unless it is parked on ground
09:02:01 <Vorpal> then you don't need a parachute
09:02:35 <Vorpal> though I think you would break some bones if you tried to jump out of a parked 747 or such
09:03:24 <elliott_> it'd be awesome if there was like
09:03:30 <elliott_> that was just completely flat on the end
09:03:34 <elliott_> and you could jump off and fall for minutes
09:03:42 <elliott_> dunno how tall it'd have to be
09:03:47 <elliott_> (without a parachute until near the end)
09:03:53 <Vorpal> eh, how would you survive?
09:04:06 <elliott_> hey Phantom_Hoover how far did you work up jade's room as being?
09:04:09 <elliott_> with the falling-for-three-months thing
09:04:25 <Vorpal> elliott_, this happened recently?
09:04:35 <Vorpal> (homestuck I presume?)
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09:04:49 <Vorpal> I haven't been keeping up with it for the past week or so
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09:05:19 <elliott_> this was when jade's room exploded
09:05:24 <elliott_> because of her robot explodin'
09:05:24 <Phantom_Hoover> <Phantom_Hoover> 1/10th of the way to Proxima Centauri, approximately.
09:05:32 <elliott_> and it was left as a cliffhanger for months
09:05:36 <elliott_> which obviously translated to literal falling time
09:05:41 <elliott_> <elliott_> hey Phantom_Hoover how far did you work up jade's room as being?
09:05:42 <elliott_> <elliott_> with the falling-for-three-months thing
09:05:42 <elliott_> <elliott_> wasn't it in the oort cloud
09:05:54 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, does that assume constant gravity or do you take into account that you won't really fall in any reasonable sense out there?
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09:06:49 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, ah, unrealistic. I bet that you would get a much more reasonable figure of distance if you did not
09:06:50 <Phantom_Hoover> Realistically you can get any falling time by going arbitrarily close to the moon/Earth point of equal gravity.
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09:08:29 <Phantom_Hoover> You could stick it in L1 or L2 and that'd probably work.
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10:30:27 <oerjan> in other news, roman numeral look and say seems to have some problems being analyzed
10:31:55 <oerjan> ...IIIVVIIIVVIII... -> ...IIIIIIVIIIIIIVIIIII... -> ...VIIIVVIIIVVI...
10:32:25 <oerjan> period 2 loop which doesn't expand, although it's already infinite both ways
10:33:22 <oerjan> in fact it only expands internally whenever there are exactly 4 I's in a row
10:33:56 <oerjan> i conclude that the version with 4 = IIII never expands, except at the ends
10:34:06 <oerjan> so no exponential blowup for that one
10:37:12 <elliott_> reddit has somethinged the last straw
10:37:18 <elliott_> criticism of the hitchhiker's guide
10:37:44 <oerjan> hm ...IIVVIIVV... -> ...IIIIIVIIIIIV... -> VIIVVIIV... so that loops too
10:38:51 <oerjan> (expand = increasing the number of groups, btw)
10:39:05 <olsner> what is the roman numeral look and say?
10:39:14 <elliott_> look and say with roman numerals
10:41:07 <oerjan> > let ved l = map (([undefined,"I","II","III","IV","V","VI"] !!) . length &&& head) . group in iterate ved "I"
10:41:08 <lambdabot> Couldn't match expected type `[a] -> [([GHC.Types.Char], a)]'
10:41:41 <olsner> aha, http://oeis.org/A005150 and http://oeis.org/A098595
10:42:18 <olsner> but what's interesting about it?
10:42:51 <oerjan> > let ved l = concatMap (curry (++) . (show . ([undefined,"I","II","III","IV","V","VI"] !!) . length &&& take 1)) . group in iterate ved "I"
10:42:52 <lambdabot> Couldn't match expected type `[b]'
10:42:52 <lambdabot> against inferred type `b1 -> (a,...
10:43:08 <elliott_> > let ved l = concatMap (curry (++) . (show . (["I","II","III","IV","V","VI"] !!) . succ . length &&& take 1)) . group in iterate ved "I"
10:43:09 <lambdabot> Couldn't match expected type `[b]'
10:43:09 <lambdabot> against inferred type `b1 -> (a,...
10:43:18 <elliott_> > let ved l = concatMap (curry (++) . (show . (["I","II","III","IV","V","VI"] !!) . pred . length &&& take 1)) . group in iterate ved "I"
10:43:19 <lambdabot> Couldn't match expected type `[b]'
10:43:19 <lambdabot> against inferred type `b1 -> (a,...
10:45:36 <oerjan> > let ved l = concatMap (uncurry (++) . ((["I","II","III","IV","V","VI"] !!) . pred . length &&& take 1)) . group in iterate ved "I"
10:45:36 <lambdabot> Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char] -> [GHC.Types.Char]'
10:46:01 <oerjan> > let ved l = concatMap (uncurry (++) . ((["I","II","III","IV","V","VI"] !!) . pred . length &&& take 1)) . group in ved "I"
10:46:02 <lambdabot> Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show
10:46:32 <oerjan> > let ved = concatMap (uncurry (++) . ((["I","II","III","IV","V","VI"] !!) . pred . length &&& take 1)) . group in iterate ved "I"
10:46:33 <lambdabot> ["I","II","III","IIII","IVI","IIIVII","IIIIIVIII","VIIVIIII","IVIIIIVIVI","...
10:46:56 <elliott_> oh, you adopted my improvement
10:47:08 <elliott_> i was all ready with the newspaper about to start some whacking
10:47:25 <oerjan> olsner: it just occured to me i hadn't seen an analysis of it, unlikely ordinary, binary and ternary
10:47:56 <elliott_> oerjan: btw the wiki spam continues...
10:48:00 <elliott_> # (diff) (hist) . . Language list; 23:58 . . (-82) . . 94.100.25.42 (Talk) (, http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7DF36DB4UAO54HNWTPB2GQZOQE/blog/articles/329045 courtney thorne-smith nude, =-D, http://gemmaartertonsexsceneovx.tumblr.com gemma arterton sex scene, zyhoph, http://thesand)
10:48:03 <elliott_> god knows how that got through
10:48:17 <elliott_> http://gemmaartertonsexsceneovx.tumblr.com/
10:48:22 <oerjan> yes, it may be they actually have to solve the captchas now?
10:48:33 <elliott_> either they've figured out how, or are paying people to do so
10:48:44 <elliott_> if it's the latter, I suggest we do absolutely nothing >:)
10:49:36 <oerjan> also, the two i recall recently have both been against the Language list
10:50:31 <oerjan> i did see a brief mention of roman numeral look-and-say in a reddit thread when googling though
10:50:39 <elliott_> they're tavrosvandals, obviously
10:50:45 <elliott_> wow, just typo'd vandal as vandle
10:50:50 <elliott_> # (diff) (hist) . . Talk:Unparseable; 15:27 . . (+363) . . Ais523 (Talk | contribs) (but isn't the prupose of a loop to repeat things?)
10:51:03 <elliott_> oerjan: yet another homestuck reference >:)
10:51:21 <elliott_> the reference pile doesnt stop from getting taller.
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10:57:06 <elliott_> Vorpal: btw re: "haven't kept up on homestuck this week" - well an eight day hiatus just ended so you haven't missed much :D
11:08:17 <Lymia> Never use /list on freenode
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13:23:04 <Vorpal> <elliott_> Vorpal: btw re: "haven't kept up on homestuck this week" - well an eight day hiatus just ended so you haven't missed much :D <-- aqh
13:23:30 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, meh, that means another computer than this one anyway
13:29:07 <Phantom_Hoover> Vorpal, why, is your current computer impossible to run Flash on?
13:29:43 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, yes. This is not even x86.
13:30:04 <Vorpal> I guess I could run it under qemu but that sounds painful
13:32:03 <Vorpal> back (quicker than I expected)
13:32:28 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, btw did you know that you can't run minecraft if you use an external monitor connected to a laptop and turn off the built in one
13:32:31 <Vorpal> it will crash on startup
13:32:51 <Vorpal> you have to turn on the internal one until you get to the main menu
13:33:04 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, I blame either notch or lwjgl
13:33:08 <Vorpal> it crashed in the latter iirc
13:33:31 <Vorpal> (I doubt minecraft runs on THIS thing, what with the handful of JNI libraries it uses...)
13:34:43 <Vorpal> but yeah I would be surprised if he supported linux on ppc
13:56:16 <Phantom_Hoover> It's really quite ridiculous the amount of music Homestuck can have on the earlier Flash scenes.
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16:24:54 <cheater79> um, like four different articles i've read in succession were about or by peter norvig
16:43:45 <Phantom_Hoover> " Fun Fact: You can delete most spam and blogs by adding -com to your search terms." — Scroogle
16:55:34 <cheater79> hey, is there a quine of knuth's literate programming book?
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18:08:35 <HackEgo> 404) <augur> oerjan you're swedish, right?
18:08:35 <HackEgo> 193) <oerjan> it's not obvious from quantum mechanics that you can destroy a universe arbitrarily.
18:08:36 <HackEgo> 311) <zzo38> If you want to use TeX formats invented by Christians, use Plain TeX. However, I do not think the religion of its author is a good way to decide what to use. I decide to use Plain TeX for its own reasons.
18:08:37 <HackEgo> 243) <Sgeo> My quotes are boring
18:08:38 <HackEgo> 347) <olsner> it is from 2002 though, I was younger then
18:09:18 <Sgeo> My point is proven.
18:14:48 <olsner> Sgeo: could be worse, most of my quotes are about django not being named after a giraffe
18:15:19 <Phantom_Hoover> "People who sit there and talk about it don't realize that molecules themselves are somewhat hypothetical, and that their interactions are more so, and that the biological reactions are even more so."
18:15:30 <Phantom_Hoover> The man who said this was the recipient of a Nobel Prize.
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18:20:17 <cheater79> esolang should have a list of languages that have monads
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19:32:48 <HackEgo> 329) <treederwright> enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity
19:50:48 <HackEgo> 273) <oklopol> hey speaking of young, some kinds asked me to buy some tobacco for them and i did, and then they were all likd "wow that guy's coool" when i told them i don't need their money
19:51:04 <HackEgo> 242) <elliott> quintopia: that's offensive, i was in a mirror accident and now my second half is a permanent mirror <elliott> typing is kind of difficult \ 264) <quintopia> vorpal: a lot of people in AK fly <Vorpal> quintopia, well getting a pilot cert is a lot more complex than a driving license :P <quintopia> being an
19:51:32 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.26346
19:51:36 <HackEgo> 264) <quintopia> vorpal: a lot of people in AK fly <Vorpal> quintopia, well getting a pilot cert is a lot more complex than a driving license :P <quintopia> being an AK resident is a lot more complex than a driver's license too
19:52:16 <quintopia> i'm surprised that i even have two quotes
19:53:18 <Sgeo> `pastequotes Sgeo
19:53:20 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.11518
19:54:36 <Phantom_Hoover> Sgeo, 136 is basically a summary of why shutup had sex as a trigger.
19:55:26 <Phantom_Hoover> 371) <Sgeo_> I think she either likes me, is neutral towards me, or dislikes me
19:55:55 <Phantom_Hoover> Are you saying for sure that you believe LEM to be true?
19:57:17 <Sgeo> What does it mean for a mathematical statement to be "true" without referring to the axioms in which you're asking such a question?
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19:58:08 <quintopia> sgeo: it's convenient for mathematicians not to reference the axiom set every time they make a statement
19:59:05 <quintopia> in most papers, there is an implied "assume some set of axioms equivalent to the peano axioms"...there are many equivalent number-theory-complete axiom sets.
20:11:33 <coppro> Actually it's typically ZFC
20:12:02 <quintopia> they avoid AoC when it's not needed
20:13:05 <coppro> despite what people will say, AoC is pretty common in my experience
20:13:36 <coppro> you lose so many useful properties of infinite sets without it
20:15:09 * Sgeo looks at http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Amb and lols at Haskell's amb = id
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20:18:07 * Phantom_Hoover looks at the Mathematica code in that article, vomits.
20:18:31 <olsner> maybe you should have that vomiting checked out
20:18:35 <olsner> could be an illness of some kind
20:18:53 <Sgeo> Maybe I won't try to learn Common Lisp
20:18:58 <Phantom_Hoover> I think I basically underwent quantum tunnelling from "bright-eyed amateur" to "jaded theoretician" without undergoing any of the intermittent experience.
20:19:19 <Phantom_Hoover> Sgeo, it's probably worth learning for CLOS alone, which I remember little of beyond "it was awesome".
20:19:36 <Sgeo> It doesn't have Factor's predicate classes
20:19:51 <Sgeo> And I don't know if that's what Factor calls them
20:20:23 <Phantom_Hoover> As in an object is in a class if it satisfies a certain predicate?
20:20:27 <coppro> Phantom_Hoover: with regards to what? (the quantum tunneling)
20:20:49 <Sgeo> http://docs.factorcode.org/content/word-PREDICATE__colon__%2Csyntax.html
20:20:52 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, yes
20:21:43 <Phantom_Hoover> coppro, as in, I underwent the entire "programming is great! Wait, bored now" sequence *after finishing only two substantial programs".
20:21:55 <coppro> Phantom_Hoover: define substantial
20:22:11 <Phantom_Hoover> coppro, actually does something other than "Hello, world!"
20:22:19 <coppro> Phantom_Hoover: that's your problem
20:22:41 <coppro> go work on something with 10k+ LOC
20:23:14 <olsner> will that make it more fun?
20:23:24 <coppro> you'll get a sense of accomplishment
20:23:45 <coppro> just writing lame things does not a sense of accomplishment give
20:23:55 <coppro> also make sure it has some practical use
20:24:09 <coppro> designing windows calculator 34.0 is not entertaining at all
20:34:04 <quintopia> well that one they made for that one tdwtf competition that used every aspect of web 2.0 to accomplishh the calculations would have been entertaining
20:38:10 <Phantom_Hoover> I am of course expected to magically fix this because I Know About Computers.
20:39:53 <coppro> Phantom_Hoover: I suggest the flowchart
20:40:23 <Phantom_Hoover> If you're referring to that xkcd flowchart then please go away.
20:42:28 <olsner> Wine in laptop? --> Remove wine from laptop.
20:43:25 <quintopia> my question is why you put linux on a macbook
20:44:38 <Phantom_Hoover> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/hbyjm/i_am_dave_one_of_the_creators_of_cyanide/c1u7gdb
20:45:01 <Phantom_Hoover> It disturbs me that despite most of my family being from Belfast I cannot read this in a Belfast accent.
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20:48:04 <quintopia> i didnt say "mine too and neither can i"
20:48:14 <quintopia> therefore i was only reflecting the last phrase
20:56:41 <oklofok> "<Phantom_Hoover> I think I basically underwent quantum tunnelling from "bright-eyed amateur" to "jaded theoretician" without undergoing any of the intermittent experience." <<< been there man
20:57:27 <Phantom_Hoover> oklofok, weren't you, like, doing CS at university before joining the legion on the dam?
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21:02:17 <elliott_> 13:30:04: <Vorpal> I guess I could run it under qemu but that sounds painful
21:02:29 <elliott_> Vorpal: also, it's an [S], so plug in some damn speakers
21:02:38 <elliott_> 14:00:39: <Phantom_Hoover> Hey, Rose lives in Europe.
21:02:59 <Phantom_Hoover> The end of Ascend makes it look more to the east than that.
21:03:06 <elliott_> Rose's House, an isolated mansion in the woods. (Rainbow Falls, New York)
21:03:15 <elliott_> "The home of Rose and her Mom. Money doesn't seem to be an object with the Lalondes; their artistically angular house is a modernist architectural marvel, situated on Rainbow Falls, a waterfall in Adirondacks park, New York, much like Fallingwater."
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21:05:24 <elliott> 19:51:51: <Phantom_Hoover> Someone preëmpted egotism.
21:05:24 <lambdabot> elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
21:05:30 <elliott> it's just a search mechanism
21:05:41 <elliott> 19:54:36: <Phantom_Hoover> Sgeo, 136 is basically a summary of why shutup had sex as a trigger.
21:05:45 <elliott> Uhh, like I said, that was the heuristics.
21:06:55 <elliott> It is not for I to delve into the mysterious mind of FATE.
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21:08:49 <elliott> 20:22:19: <coppro> Phantom_Hoover: that's your problem
21:08:49 <elliott> 20:22:29: <Phantom_Hoover> coppro, did I ever say it wasn't?
21:08:49 <elliott> 20:22:41: <coppro> go work on something with 10k+ LOC
21:08:57 <elliott> "I'm bored." "Do something SOULCRUSHING."
21:09:13 <elliott> If anything a program of mcmap's size is far more appropriate for that, but honestly, no.
21:09:22 <elliott> 20:23:45: <coppro> just writing lame things does not a sense of accomplishment give
21:09:25 <Phantom_Hoover> Perhaps I should have told him that I can barely read my own programs after a day or so.
21:09:25 <olsner> "Merely bored? Do something SOULCRUSHING!"
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21:10:37 <elliott> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/hbyjm/i_am_dave_one_of_the_creators_of_cyanide/c1u7gdb <-- I uncontrollably read this in Dara O'Brien's voice
21:11:15 <Phantom_Hoover> See, that's the kind of thing you expect from an Englishman, but I am probably meant to hold a higher standard.
21:11:30 <oklofok> "[05:04:17] <tswett> He also believes that Goldbach's conjecture and the Collatz conjecture are both true, and that there are infinitely many pairs of twin primes but their frequency drops very quickly." <<< well obviously these are all true
21:12:26 <Phantom_Hoover> (NB: it is quite pretty when it's not raining, but this does not excuse the fact that the only ISP anyone uses is BT.)
21:13:30 <pikhq> Freaking car travel.
21:14:01 <pikhq> 420 mile car trips make pikhq sore.
21:14:15 <tswett> Conjectures tend to be true.
21:14:40 <elliott> tswett is a rabbit and every number is 99.
21:15:32 <oklofok> "<Phantom_Hoover> oklofok, weren't you, like, doing CS at university before joining the legion on the dam?" <<< yes, and also actually programming
21:15:40 <tswett> Aiee! You ruined the fact that you ruined it!
21:16:36 <oklofok> i have never refuted a conjecture
21:16:47 <oklofok> but i have made a conjecture that was later refuted .(
21:16:51 <Phantom_Hoover> oklofok, see, it took me about 2 years to go from "hey, what's this programming thing" to "meh, programming is boring."
21:17:14 <oklofok> for me it took until i found math
21:17:16 <tswett> oklofok: the Two-Eye Conjecture?
21:17:19 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: all you're really doing is waiting for at to come out.
21:18:14 <elliott> then you'll be like woo look gravity.lisp version two
21:18:25 <Sgeo> What Lisp is gravity.lisp?
21:18:29 <Sgeo> CL, or something else?
21:20:52 <elliott> tswett: unfortunately you can't since it isn't on the interwebnets
21:21:41 <tswett> It's much easier to Google How to Train Your Dragon 2.
21:23:12 <elliott> i'll rename it to that then
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22:01:23 <elliott> 16:06:18: * SimonRC goes for a wak.
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22:17:55 <elliott> 19:21:10: * oklokok lols as he dies of blood loss
22:19:15 <oklofok> is that an actual quote? :D
22:19:34 <zzo38> Who is being "he" in this quotation?
22:19:56 <zzo38> Are oklokok and oklofok the same?
22:20:00 <elliott> http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p454332531.txt hey oklofok remember this
22:20:57 <elliott> 21:18:20: <oklokok> also, oklotalk looks like line noise when used correctly.
22:20:57 <elliott> 21:18:30: <oklokok> i've just denoicified it to be pretty
22:23:01 <oklofok> elliott: oh wait actually i do, was that the syntax of oklotalk "regexps"?
22:23:20 <oklofok> slightly more ambitious than regexps but anyhow
22:24:23 <oklofok> now that i actually read it in all it's complicatedness, i note that that's kind of obvious
22:25:14 <pikhq> As it turns out, mortals actually *do* get sub-perfect scores on the "science" portion of the ACT. Strange.
22:25:29 <pikhq> I didn't know reading common representations of data was hard.
22:25:39 <oklofok> dynamic AND static scoping AND ANYTHING IN BETWEEN <3
22:26:51 <oklofok> that code snippet is pretty crazy, i should finish oklotalk
22:27:49 <oklofok> lol what is a homeomorphism
22:28:31 <quintopia> what is it? what is...this? does this happen or do i make it happen? does it just happen or happen?
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22:28:42 <Phantom_Hoover> Y'know, I think the Luddites were judged far too cruelly by history.
22:30:02 <zzo38> Does your D&D characters drink?
22:30:44 <elliott> all my ddnadn charcaters are cripling alcoholics
22:31:14 <oklofok> 've played dd once, but i don't remember
22:31:42 <zzo38> elliott: Is drunk enough to write letters mixed up a bit?
22:32:01 <zzo38> However, I don't mean only alcoholic I mean all drink including magic potion
22:32:26 <oklofok> so does alcoholic include drug use?
22:32:41 <elliott> 23:04:35: <oklokok> GregorR: do you know perl?
22:32:42 <elliott> 23:04:41: <GregorR> Sadly.
22:32:56 <quintopia> Phantom_Hoover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvaxamJyTro
22:33:15 <zzo38> oklofok: I guess it would include alcoholic drugs
22:34:35 <zzo38> oklofok: What are you refering to?
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22:35:22 <elliott> oklofok: did you ever finish cise
22:35:25 <zzo38> oklofok: I don't know.
22:35:55 <quintopia> of course it's a joke. that guy has the strangest sense of humor, but it works somehow
22:36:06 <elliott> i think how cise should work is, you have a predicate that orders operations by commonality, where even full programs count as operations, and then cise just splits the program into chunks of variable bytes, all possible splittings of it
22:36:18 <elliott> picks an operation, the shorter the more common
22:36:28 <elliott> and then the most-common program operation that results is chosen
22:36:32 <elliott> oklofok: but that's like optimal :trollface:
22:36:40 <oklofok> no as in never finished it
22:36:50 <oklofok> although great answer to what you just said as well
22:38:26 <elliott> hey how can i force vim to quit with no exclamation mark...
22:39:01 <zzo38> And that is why you should fix your computer.
22:39:26 <zzo38> Because it is a better reason to fix it than for the purpose of typing messages on IRC, I think
22:41:00 <zzo38> I guess lack of exclamation marks also means you can learn these kind of things too
22:41:22 <zzo38> I knew ZZ but I didn't know there was a ZQ command
22:41:29 <quintopia> i guess that's one that only works in vim
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23:07:42 <Gregor> In the future, due to general misspeaking, the pronunciations of "captain" and "cat pan" will be reversed.
23:11:09 <elliott> oklofok: http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p645463521.txt
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23:19:29 <iconmaster_> Went to a book sale today, got a bunch of computer books for two bucks apiece.
23:20:46 <iconmaster_> I will now soon have the knolodge on how to program VAX assembly.
23:21:07 <Gregor> quintopia: Another name for "litter box" :P
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23:45:27 <pikhq> Apparently, I need to restart X in order to have any new GTK programs spawn. Bollocks.
23:47:12 <olsner> that never happens to me