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00:11:04 <elliott> http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/topBANNER-blog-940.jpg This is the best image ever.
00:12:11 <ion> elliott: It seems to lack Richard Dean Anderson.
00:14:24 <elliott> If you can't see him, you're not worthy.
00:14:35 <ion> elliott: Ah, indeed. He did have a mullet earlier.
00:15:04 <ion> http://rdanderson.com/macgyver/home/home.jpg
00:15:26 <ion> That’s clearly him in the picture.
00:15:33 <itidus21> it occurs to me there isn't any programming language named after him
00:15:41 <itidus21> i havent checked but i don't believe i have to
00:16:01 <elliott> Sgeo|web: Apologise at once.
00:16:03 <zzo38> Do you know where to get The PROFESSIONAL Pokemon Sticker Book?
00:16:24 <Sgeo|web> I thought monqy quit quitting hi
00:16:38 <Sgeo|web> Or did monqy quit quitting quitting hi?
00:18:31 <ion> let fixApply f x = fix f where _ = f x in quit `fixApply` hi
00:18:54 <monqy> I quit quitting quitting hi.
00:19:05 <itidus21> a macgyver function would probably find a mapping between any set of objects and destruction of an enemy lair
00:19:27 <shachaf> monqy: Quit quitting quitting quitting hi.
00:19:44 <zzo38> Just quit everything if you do not know what else to quit
00:19:48 <monqy> shachaf: did you quit qutting hi?
00:19:54 <zzo38> Unless you would rather quit smoking instead
00:19:55 <ion> I heard hi was quitting monqy.
00:19:56 <shachaf> monqy: No, I'm still quitting hi.
00:20:11 <elliott> ion: I circled Richard Dean Anderson to make it easier to see: ...but then imgur didn't want to upload it, so just imagine a red freehand circle around Obama.
00:20:53 <zzo38> I win at Pokemon Card due to opponent's cards being resisted to most of my cards, and due to the opponent picking up too many cards.
00:21:02 <elliott> kmc: I got mosh's prediction for the first time!
00:21:08 <ion> elliott: You might want to ask for your money back from imgur.
00:21:50 <zzo38> To give an analogy with chess, let's say, that if you have two pawn in front of each other with nothing next to it diagonally, then they are stuck and neither one can move.
00:22:05 <itidus21> if (fortknox.macgyver(toothpaste,comb,singlet) == EASILY_ACCESSIBLE) printf("Macgyver method works.\n");
00:22:41 <Sgeo|web> monqy has quit quitting quitting quittting hi.
00:22:56 <monqy> Sgeo|web: you deserved that hi
00:22:57 <ion> MacGyver doesn’t have access to that many items of syntactic noise, he has manage with the bare minimum.
00:23:01 <monqy> elliott: it was deserved
00:23:16 <shachaf> monqy: do I deserve hi :'(
00:23:19 <itidus21> ion: you're right... sorry im relatively new to it
00:23:26 <itidus21> still getting used to the concept
00:23:30 <monqy> shachaf: did you try telling someone about monad tutorials in ##crawl
00:23:34 <zzo38> Then make up the text adventure game involving it
00:23:39 <monqy> shachaf: that's a pretty good way to get a free hi
00:23:56 <monqy> 17:20:50 < Sgeo|web> ebarrett: any relation to monadic burritos/
00:23:59 <ion> A text adventure involving monqy quitting^n hi?
00:24:14 <zzo38> ion: Involving anything, not necessarily that.
00:24:15 <shachaf> 17:24 < monqy> shachaf: hi
00:24:27 <elliott> <monqy> shachaf: did you try telling someone about monad tutorials in ##crawl
00:24:37 <elliott> i actually just dug my nails into my face right now
00:24:43 <elliott> you can't see it but i did
00:24:44 <ion> Dungeon Crawl is like monad tutorials.
00:24:44 <zzo38> Did you try telling someone about monad tutorials tutorials?
00:24:54 <shachaf> 17:24 < shachaf> monqy: monad = burrito
00:25:26 <Sgeo|web> elliott: it was an analogous situation
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00:26:02 <zzo38> Are monad tutorials like burritos?
00:26:22 <zzo38> And then, what will comonad tutorials be like, if there is any one?
00:27:21 <zzo38> Play Pokemon Card, please.
00:27:30 <zzo38> Let's see if you won.
00:28:03 <Sgeo|web> I attempted to actually explain the tutorial situation
00:28:13 <Sgeo|web> Didn't really attempt to explain monads
00:29:04 <zzo38> shachaf: Each player seven cards, and then you can put face-down active and bench Basic Pokemon cards. And then after both players has done so, turn it face-up. Whoever's turn it is, draw a card (if you can't, you lose instantly). Play energy card and other card from your hand, and optionally attack. If your pokemon card is knocked out by damage, discard it, opponent picks up one side card. If you have no side card you win. If you have no card in play, you los
00:29:04 <ion> http://youtu.be/hhczJ0dHWC0
00:29:20 <zzo38> shachaf: OK, now you know how?
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00:30:01 <zzo38> A left out a few details.
00:30:07 <ion> I’m tempted to break a combo.
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00:30:38 <elliott> if the ops in here won't kick for breaking an oko chain then there's no justice in the fuckin world
00:32:18 <ion> fion, felliott, fachaf
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00:33:30 <zzo38> More details are: After setup the cards face-down at the beginning of the game, take six more cards from your draw pile and set them aside (face-down). Also, only one energy card can be played per turn (or zero), but other card any number of times. If it is evolution card, then you can play it on top of another card as long as it has not just been played. Trainer card usually do as it says and is discarded, but some are not discarded immediately. You can also
00:35:11 <ion> You can also$
00:36:06 <zzo38> retreat before attack. To attack require energy, and if it says * then you can use any energy.
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00:36:42 <zzo38> And there are also a few other rules such as weak/resist and confusion and so on.
00:37:48 <zzo38> Do you know what is the purpose of the Imakuni?'s card? He has that card in his deck and one day he is going to use it.
00:47:48 <zzo38> OK, now let's play Pokemon Card.
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00:57:58 <lambdabot> Local time for elliott is Fri Apr 20 01:58:30
00:58:34 <zzo38> Once I wrote something I made a joke that Professor Oak was drunk when he said "discard your hand and then draw seven cards" because you do not have a hand to hold the pencil.
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01:02:47 <ion> @time nickserv
01:03:36 <lambdabot> Local time for ion is Fri Apr 20 04:03:35 2012
01:03:45 <elliott> ion: Can you leave? You're too Finnish.
01:04:13 <ion> I have always been here.
01:04:46 <HackEgo> Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least five of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus.
01:06:39 <elliott> Help answer whether this is not known, the policy question of recursive definitions can not think. To define such a function in the form once I suggest considering whether it be rewritten in a recursive form. To rewrite the recursive form seems to require a helper function.
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02:03:44 <elliott> OK, the icon on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Glass should look good for everyone now :P
02:04:49 <ion> Someone should make a fork of it called Ass.
02:06:56 <elliott> Apparently IE only supports data URIs since version 7. *sigh*
02:14:47 <Sgeo> elliott, what's this about data URIs? Is the checkmark an image now or something?
02:15:21 <pikhq> elliott: Worse, it's limited to 32k in IE 8.
02:15:46 <elliott> pikhq: Good thing my file is 466 bytes (unencoded).
02:15:53 <Sgeo> Was the checkmark looking horrible for anyone, or is the goal to make it look identical for everyone?
02:16:06 <elliott> Sgeo: It was looking horrible for everyone on Windows, for one.
02:16:49 <elliott> On Windows and for RocketJSquirrel the tick rendered as some ungodly aliased bitmap-looking thing.
02:16:57 <elliott> Like it had been scaled to an uneven size.
02:17:57 <elliott> cf. http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff508/Taneb/featuredarticleHUEG.png, http://ompldr.org/vZGZzcg
02:18:16 <elliott> I can't look at the latter without laughing.
02:21:17 <Sgeo> That's ridiculous
02:27:55 <ion> It’s a herp-derpy version of the check mark.
02:28:21 <RocketJSquirrel> I honestly didn't think it was supposed to be a check mark when I first saw it.
02:28:26 <RocketJSquirrel> I couldn't for the life of me figure out what it was supposed to be.
02:28:34 <monqy> it's the thought that countst
02:28:38 <monqy> thank you, question mark
02:28:42 <monqy> for the good thoughts
02:28:59 <monqy> check mark, I mean
02:29:19 <monqy> what's a question mark
02:29:33 <elliott> it's almost as much a question mark as it is a check mark
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02:30:28 <ion> My Firefox displays a boring conformist check mark. http://i.imgur.com/vFLUV.png
02:30:44 <monqy> mine does too, except it's chromium
02:31:09 <monqy> what happened to the special question mark :(
02:31:52 <elliott> what do you guys think of the tick icon in general btw since maharba doesn't like it
02:31:59 <elliott> as an icon for the featured language
02:32:15 <monqy> it's not stupid enough for me to love or hate it
02:32:19 <calamari> is it necessary for languages to be featured at all?
02:32:22 <RocketJSquirrel> There are probably better options, but I can't think of one, and there's nothing wrong with it.
02:32:23 <monqy> comfortable & boring
02:32:33 <ion> Use a swastika.
02:33:10 <elliott> calamari: Multiple people wanted it.
02:33:22 <ion> It’s the symbol of peace.
02:34:22 <ion> or http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/sieg-fail-pic.jpg
02:35:16 <calamari> http://th03.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/050/7/2/pinkie_holding_a_check_mark_by_felix_kot-d4qaadr.png
02:40:43 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/no.html
02:41:05 <monqy> http://esolangs.org/yes.html
02:42:22 <elliott> monqy: i made no better now
02:43:23 <monqy> maybe if i refresh it again it will start getting bigger too
02:43:42 <monqy> oh no where did it go
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02:49:45 <elliott> "<MARQUEE ...> is often regarded as one of the "evil" tags, and that perception alone might be enough reason to not use it. However, used lightly and with taste (and understanding that it will never render everywhere), <MARQUEE ...> isn't such a bad tag. It can work well for announcements."
02:50:54 <Sgeo> Also: monqy: Do I suck at Crawl?
02:51:09 <monqy> I don't even have to look
02:51:21 <shachaf> monqy: I played Crawl yesterday.
02:53:14 <monqy> shachaf: well, did you enjoy it?
02:53:19 <monqy> shachaf: how far did you get !!
02:54:02 <shachaf> Which is another way of getting "to the end".
02:54:18 <elliott> did you die of something stupid and unforseeable
02:54:39 <shachaf> Once I was killed by a death yak.
02:54:43 <shachaf> That wasn't stupid and forseeable.
02:55:44 <elliott> monqy: why is <marquee> hard to get rigchte
02:56:14 <monqy> it's been so long since ive done web stufe
02:56:20 <monqy> "i agvoid it" - me
02:57:07 <monqy> you';re doing a very bad job of giving up hi
02:57:24 <shachaf> It was me quoting me saying hi.
02:57:41 <monqy> I take it you did not give up quoting yourself saying hi from before you gave up hi
02:57:50 <shachaf> No, why would I give that up?
02:58:10 <shachaf> monqy: Are *you* giving up quoting yourself saying hi from before you gave up hi?
02:58:25 <monqy> yes, but I may not have given up quoting you
02:58:47 <shachaf> That's the only way to be sure.
02:59:23 <monqy> i will know when the time is right
03:00:03 <monqy> i avoid saying it excessively, but i'll still say hi in certain cases
03:00:09 <elliott> why is http://esolangs.org/no.html buggy :(
03:00:26 <monqy> whoa look at that no go
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03:01:10 <elliott> when the yellow marquee moves all the way to the right
03:01:12 <elliott> it just appears completely again
03:01:15 <elliott> rather than scrolling in from the left
03:07:03 <elliott> monqy: http://esolangs.org/no.html
03:07:32 <ion> http://esolangs.org/hi.html
03:07:46 <RocketJSquirrel> I love how only one of the marquee tags is actually ended.
03:08:12 <elliott> monqy: http://esolangs.org/no.html
03:08:34 <ion> It wouldn’t be any more valid if that was changed.
03:08:45 <monqy> that's one wild no
03:08:48 <elliott> olsner: gah, now i want to script it like yours
03:09:33 <monqy> does no ever stop from getting better?
03:10:31 <ion> It would be even better if it was named http://esolangs.org/no
03:13:50 <elliott> ion: You just leaked the URL of my WIP no v2 :(
03:15:02 <elliott> <body bgcolor=<?= $n % 2 == 0 ? "yellow" : "blue" ?>>
03:15:07 <elliott> Why would this spit out "yellow" for n=9?
03:15:21 <elliott> register_globals isn't a thing. :p
03:16:32 <calamari> bright green & magenta is always a great color combo also ;)
03:16:52 <elliott> olsner: i ripped off ur art as a first start, sry: http://esolangs.org/no
03:19:33 <elliott> monqy: http://esolangs.org/no
03:20:06 <monqy> i tried that one time but it was just to much
03:20:12 <monqy> so i toned it down to 25
03:20:32 <monqy> ah yes good perfect
03:20:44 <ion> elliott: The marquees are quite small on Firefox. Perhaps use CSS or something to make them 100%-sized.
03:21:45 <elliott> so reload at your own risk
03:21:51 <ion> Judging from the 100%s everywhere in the HTML i assumed you wanted it to fill the window.
03:22:02 <elliott> monqy: try http://esolangs.org/no now
03:22:24 <monqy> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
03:22:41 <monqy> it's slowly killoing itself
03:23:36 <ion> Chromium’s memory use goes up at about 10 MB/s.
03:23:52 <ion> Now it’s stuck.
03:24:00 <ion> after reaching a gigabyte.
03:24:04 <monqy> great marquee efficiency
03:24:12 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/no deadliest yet
03:25:35 <elliott> how do you do elseif in php
03:26:49 <monqy> according to http://php.net/manual/en/control-structures.elseif.php it's either elseif or else if
03:27:01 <monqy> but only elseif if you're using colons???
03:27:37 <ion> PHP manages to make even that weird?
03:27:46 <ion> freaking elseif
03:28:07 <elliott> ok http://esolangs.org/no is hurting mybrowser
03:28:36 <elliott> ok i just got a horrible idea
03:28:41 <elliott> what if i used css3 rotations on the iframes
03:29:36 <ion> That sounds awesome.
03:29:38 <ion> http://unimaps.com/flags-europe/sweden-flag.gif
03:30:07 <elliott> monqy: http://esolangs.org/no
03:30:13 <elliott> sweet jesus it's beautiful
03:30:23 <ion> monqy: In the discussion, someone benchmarks “elseif” vs. “else if”. The former is faster.
03:30:39 <elliott> i think this one might actually be art
03:30:56 <elliott> it even has a moire pattern
03:31:23 <ion> elliott: nice
03:31:25 <monqy> and it's scrollable
03:31:31 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/no i made it better
03:31:48 <monqy> i like how mine was white but then it started becoming blue and yellow
03:31:51 <ion> Perhaps get rid of the scroll bar.
03:32:07 <elliott> oh my god it *is* scrollable
03:32:08 <monqy> the scroll bars are art
03:32:16 <ion> Of course it is.
03:32:17 <elliott> ion: try scrolling it with your mouse wheel
03:32:45 <elliott> ion: ok i removed the scrollbars to test
03:32:51 <elliott> pretty sure it's NOT AS GOOD
03:33:02 <elliott> also it fills up much more slowly
03:33:18 <monqy> on the plus side, ow my eyes
03:34:28 <ion> Perhaps add a bit of padding to make it fill up faster.
03:35:19 <elliott> i love how it ends up just flashing ominously
03:36:17 <elliott> i can animate this to rotate as it goes
03:38:07 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/no holy fucking shit
03:38:56 <monqy> it isnt doing anything for me :(
03:39:14 <elliott> i uh, think it was a failed experiment anywa
03:39:26 <monqy> chromium 18.0.1025.162
03:39:42 <monqy> (Developer Build 0 Linux)
03:39:46 <monqy> whatever that means
03:39:59 <monqy> leaving for a bit "bye"
03:45:53 <elliott> ion: http://esolangs.org/no. Let it load all the way, with your mouse out of the window.
03:46:41 <ion> Well done, sir.
03:47:00 * elliott wants to animate that transition.
03:47:21 <ion> CSS3 has that, too.
03:47:38 <shachaf> Someone in another channel did http://demoseen.com/windowpane/fl0wer.png.html today.
03:47:48 <shachaf> elliott can't see it because of a lack of WebGL.
03:48:01 <shachaf> But other people can telliott how he's missing out.
03:50:03 <ion> Nice, shachaf. Nachaf.
03:50:37 <ion> shachaf, nice. scheiß.
03:51:43 <ion> elliott: Too bad it’s not smooth enough on my computer.
03:51:50 <ion> Nice otherwise.
03:52:09 <shachaf> But the WebGL thing is smooth on your computer, right?
03:52:22 <shachaf> In other words, elliott is missing out by not having WebGL?
03:53:19 <ion> It’s quite smooth.
03:54:51 <elliott> ion: Perhaps this will be smooth? http://esolangs.org/no
03:56:39 <ion> elliott: If a small subset of the iframes is in transition simultaneously it’s smooth. If i move the mouse out of the window quickly the framerate drops very much.
03:58:54 <elliott> Hmm, I'm unable to produce the first iframe-scrollbar one. :(
03:59:00 <elliott> ion: I don't suppose you have that one still open in a tab?
03:59:26 <ion> git log :-P
03:59:59 <elliott> Artists don't use version control.
04:00:05 <elliott> I'm editing the file directly on the server.
04:00:13 <ion> Not ed? :-(
04:00:19 <ion> It’s the standard editor.
04:00:50 <elliott> I'm an artist. I don't need your "standards".
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04:15:29 <elliott> ion: http://esolangs.org/no
04:17:20 <elliott> ion: I think that's the best one yet.
04:20:41 <ion> elliott: How about @-webkit-keyframes rot { from { -webkit-transform: rotate(36deg); } to { -webkit-transform: rotate(396deg); } } iframe { -webkit-animation: rot 10s infinite; }
04:22:10 <ion> Perhaps change that 10s to like 120s
04:22:54 <ion> And add -webkit-animation-timing-function: linear;
04:25:51 <ion> Yeah. And it’s slllllooooow
04:25:59 <ion> I mean, the frame rate is very low.
04:26:49 <ion> How about just, like, 15 iframes?
04:27:38 <ion> I think one can drop all the -webkit- prefixes from the CSS and it will work in all modern browsers.
04:27:53 <elliott> But some of the jitter is due to marquee timing, FWIW.
04:28:14 <ion> http://css3.bradshawenterprises.com/animations/ lists some browser versions for the CSS stuff without vendor prefixes.
04:28:50 <ion> How about getting rid of marquee and using CSS animations for that, too?
04:28:59 <elliott> Okay. You get to write the CSS for that, though. :p
04:29:13 <elliott> BTW, I think the linear timing function made the animation worse.
04:29:37 <elliott> ion: There's a CSS3 marquee module, IIRc.
04:29:41 <elliott> Dunno if anything supports it.
04:38:17 <quintopia> hard problem: find two binary strings of 2n bits such that for all bitwise rotations of one, they differ in exactly n bits, AND neither string has rotational symmetry (aka a full rotation is required before original string is recovered)
04:38:54 <elliott> quintopia: Have you seen our BEAUTIFUL FEATURED LANGUAGE ICON?
04:48:18 <ion> elliott: I wonder if this works? https://gist.github.com/2426076
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04:48:28 <ion> elliott: Whoops. A moment.
04:48:36 <calamari> no looks pretty cool on my phone with the fractal thing going
04:48:46 <ion> elliott: Update4d.
04:48:54 <elliott> Hmm, where does 70% come from?
04:49:06 <elliott> calamari: You loaded no on your phone and you still have a phone?
04:49:06 <ion> Just a random value for testing.
04:49:21 <ion> Added a missing semicolon.
04:49:40 <elliott> Semicolons are optional in css.
04:49:55 <ion> elliott: Removed a */ that shouldn’t have been there.
04:49:59 <elliott> calamari: Well, it kind of uses a lot of CPU and RAM.
04:50:10 <elliott> ion: http://esolangs.org/no
04:50:12 <calamari> I think I can see my battery meter decreasing in real time tho (kidding)
04:50:26 <shachaf> Why do people play "music" in public places?
04:50:36 <elliott> ion: Seems to mar but not rot.
04:50:41 <shachaf> (It's not really music because it has drums in the background.)
04:50:54 <ion> elliott: Alright, makes sense: both try to use the transform property. Let’s see.
04:51:13 <calamari> lets see what the htc dream makes of it
04:51:39 <elliott> calamari: It's been changed.
04:52:27 <ion> elliott: Oh, also remove the marquee element. :-)
04:52:51 <elliott> Now it doesn't work at all. :(
04:53:11 <ion> Alright, let’s investigate.
04:53:57 <ion> How about if you change the 70% to e.g. 500px and -70% to -500px?
04:54:53 <elliott> ion: Are you sure this prefixless stuff works yet?
04:55:12 <elliott> "Unknown property name" --inspector
04:55:18 <ion> That seems like the culprit.
04:55:27 <calamari> anyone have a copy of the old one?
04:55:33 <elliott> calamari: <elliott> calamari: It's been changed.
04:55:33 <elliott> <elliott> Come back later ;)
04:55:40 <elliott> We're busy reconstructing a less broken version of the old one :P
04:55:46 <elliott> A copy would be difficult, since it requires 100 HTML pages.
04:56:08 <dbelange> #@&:%%000000000%%:&@# RAINBOWS ARE GOD'S WAY OF LICKING DICK
04:56:17 <ion> elliott: Perhaps now https://gist.github.com/2426076
04:56:21 <kmc> employee of the month
04:57:11 <kmc> http://www.asciiartfarts.com/20120418.html?via=rss
04:57:21 <shachaf> kmc: Are you in Los Angeles now?
04:57:53 <calamari> the rainbow stripes aren't supposed to be vertical ;)
04:59:26 <elliott> ion: The scrollbar is a bit annoying. But I guess that can be fixed.
04:59:32 <elliott> ion: BTW, "alternate" isn't right for the marquee.
04:59:36 <zzo38> Who is winning? http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_14/pokemoncard1.png
04:59:40 <elliott> Marquees scroll off the edge of the screen and return on the other side, not bounce.
05:00:18 <zzo38> shachaf: Not unless you play.
05:00:20 <ion> That can be done. I just thought this would be pretty. :-P
05:00:34 <ion> Especially since there’s always content on the screen this way.
05:00:49 <calamari> htc dream's analysis of the page: no
05:00:51 <ion> Also, the marquee element has behavior=alternate.
05:01:14 <calamari> oh there it goes with the new version
05:01:17 <kmc> shachaf: ish. Pasadena.
05:01:35 <calamari> looks like they hadn't implemented rotation yet
05:01:37 <kmc> or as i like to call it, "sea panda"
05:01:38 <ion> http://www.mountaindragon.com/html/marquee.htm
05:02:29 <zzo38> coppro: Maybe you know who wins?
05:02:54 <elliott> ion: Any ideas about how to get the rotation?
05:03:17 <ion> elliott: How about this, with <div><iframe …></iframe></div>? https://gist.github.com/2426076
05:03:37 <elliott> Closing tags? We don't need closing tags.
05:03:55 <ion> Feel free to do whatever you want. :-P
05:04:37 <elliott> Oh, the div isn't big enough.
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05:05:08 <elliott> Yeah, the alternate marquee is kinda boring, since it just cycles.
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05:05:49 <ion> Try switching the -webkit-animation attributes between the div and the iframe.
05:05:50 <elliott> Kinda breaks down in an ugly way after a while
05:07:02 <calamari> hmm I must not understand top.. it seems to be claiming that the browser is using 114.3% of memory
05:07:15 <ion> To get typical marquee behavior, use -webkit-animation: mar 8s linear infinite; (or some amount of seconds), and change the percentages to 100% and -100% i think.
05:08:25 <ion> If every iframe had slightly different animation durations, that might result in an interesting effect.
05:08:45 <elliott> I like how this seems to be more intensive than the marquee version.
05:09:15 <ion> Perhaps use a linear function of the “n” parameter.
05:09:23 <ion> 8 seconds plus n/20
05:09:28 <elliott> ion: Fixed a stupid bug, refresh
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05:12:22 <calamari> starts off promising, then it's just a polygon rotating
05:14:25 <calamari> it's basically a square speech bubble still
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05:15:04 <ion> elliott: That could be implemented as a single HTML page, too. :-P
05:15:12 <calamari> how many htm pages did that one take?
05:15:39 <monqy> i have to select it to see anything happeneing otherwise it's all black :(
05:16:09 <monqy> am i doing something wrong :(
05:16:10 <elliott> monqy: yes im fiddling with it
05:16:56 <ion> OTOH, the 100-page iframe hack has some insane-kluge value.
05:18:56 <monqy> now its all white :(
05:19:17 <elliott> ion: I like how this went from "fun hacks with 90s HTML" to "fun hacks with advanced CSS3 and also using an iframe for no reason".
05:19:29 <monqy> it stopped loading and still i have to select it to see it :(
05:19:34 <elliott> monqy: try loading new tab???
05:19:35 <ion> elliott: A per-page varying marquee animation time, pleeze! :-)
05:19:40 <elliott> you might need ctrl+f5 or so
05:19:44 <elliott> ion: once monqy sees this one !!!
05:19:47 <shachaf> monqy: can i load new tbabB!?????!!
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05:20:09 <elliott> shachaf: http://esolangs.org/no
05:20:20 <elliott> ion: I also like how there's a "no" at the bottom of those 100 pages.
05:20:23 <elliott> That nobody will ever see.
05:20:25 <oerjan> dbelange: i see you have been spamming in the logs. please do not do that.
05:20:42 <shachaf> elliott told me you were supposed to spam in here.
05:20:47 <monqy> it ddoesnt work :(
05:21:08 <elliott> oerjan: no!! don't respond to shachaf's his!! it is a slippery slope
05:21:12 <elliott> a slippery slope to despair
05:21:23 <elliott> on the page you have loaded
05:22:17 <monqy> http://sprunge.us/eXHU
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05:23:35 <elliott> monqy: what chrome version?
05:23:43 <elliott> oerjan: btw, do not click that /no link under any circumstance
05:24:17 <monqy> about chromium says its Chromium 18.0.1025.162 (Developer Build 0 Linux)
05:24:36 <elliott> i'm really not sure what is up >:?
05:24:38 <elliott> do you have weird settings
05:24:41 <elliott> like default background etc
05:24:55 <elliott> monqy: can you go to /no?n=99 and tell me what the body background is set to in the css
05:24:58 <elliott> oerjan: http://esolangs.org/no
05:25:04 <monqy> i have default background i think ?? its white background--ok
05:25:12 <monqy> oh one thing to notice is
05:25:27 <monqy> when initally loading /no i see a flash of black square but then it dies
05:25:45 <shachaf> monqy: Did you see the fl0wer?
05:25:54 <monqy> n?=99 makes it black and i see a flash of white square
05:26:03 <elliott> monqy: does it flash multiple times?
05:26:17 <elliott> can you try quitting and reopening browser??? im confuse
05:26:53 <monqy> ?n=2 fails but ?n=1 works
05:27:06 <monqy> but then theres only one thing
05:27:19 <monqy> ?n=0 works too of course but
05:27:40 <elliott> ion: Oh, hm, http://esolangs.org/no?n=1 is confusing.
05:27:43 <elliott> The box looks smaller than it should be.
05:27:51 <monqy> for me the box looks really big ??
05:28:06 <ion> elliott: CSS is such a pretty thing. http://hpaste.org/raw/67314
05:28:10 <monqy> i can see the spinny white box
05:28:23 <monqy> it's about as big as my browser window
05:28:39 <elliott> monqy: yes but look at the proportions of it
05:28:50 <monqy> i cant it's moving too fast
05:28:52 <monqy> and spinning a bit
05:28:59 <elliott> monqy: It shouldn't be *that* fast.
05:29:06 <monqy> and there's a small "no" in one of the corners
05:29:07 <elliott> ion: Am I supposed to do something with that diff:
05:29:13 <monqy> i'm bad at proportions :(
05:29:17 <elliott> Oh, it's other-browser compatibility.
05:29:20 <elliott> Who cares about other-browser?
05:30:05 <monqy> usually i can't see the other corner because it's cut off
05:30:07 <Sgeo> Why is elliott linking to a white rectanngle thigy
05:30:16 <elliott> Sgeo: http://esolangs.org/no
05:30:20 <elliott> click that in recent chrome
05:30:25 <monqy> sg "late to the party" eo
05:31:43 <elliott> oerjan: (the reason I tell you not to click it is that it will probably crash your browser.)
05:33:15 <oerjan> elliott: i had a hunch :P
05:33:21 <elliott> ion: Hmm. Changing the rotation to 1s seems to have done nothing: http://esolangs.org/no
05:33:27 <elliott> Does that mean the rotation animation isn't actually working?
05:33:48 <monqy> the rotation seems just fine but nesting kills it
05:33:58 <ion> elliott: … huh. It *is* rotating, though.
05:34:16 <elliott> ion: ...for some reason it still shows as 120s in my inspector.
05:34:36 <ion> elliott: Oh! You have nested CSS comments which don’t actually work. The first */ will end the comment.
05:35:19 <monqy> every time someone says hi i feel a pang of guilt
05:35:21 <ion> <css> I’m out of glue to sniff. Do you have any?
05:35:41 <ion> IT’S OVER NINE THOUSAND
05:35:42 <shachaf> monqy: remember that time I told the dcss channel about monads
05:35:52 <monqy> shachaf: sgeo started it
05:35:59 <monqy> shachaf: he gets the credit
05:36:10 <shachaf> monqy: I don't need to get credit.
05:36:13 <Sgeo> I didn't say much about monads
05:36:14 <shachaf> monqy: I just want to get a hi. :-(
05:36:17 <Sgeo> Just monad tutorials
05:36:18 <monqy> elliott: its speedy for me on n=1 but n=2 and greaters all broken still :(
05:36:30 <elliott> monqy: What size is your Chrome window?
05:36:51 <ion> elliott: The audience demands a varying marquee speed. (8 + n/20)s might be a good start.
05:36:54 <shachaf> monqy: Just say "full screen"
05:37:09 <Sgeo> Why do I find Haskell easier to think in than CL?
05:37:10 <calamari> I miss that recursive one .. ah well :)
05:37:32 <Sgeo> Then again, Haskell had a built-in function for what I wanted to do
05:37:36 <elliott> calamari: If you mean the scrollbar one, I can recreate it later.
05:37:45 <shachaf> unsafeCoerce# is such a good function
05:38:06 <calamari> well on my phone (since firefox is too lame on my desktop), it was basically making a spiral of triangles
05:38:13 <monqy> elliott: ok uh i think the page portion is 989x949
05:38:15 <elliott> ion: It becomes a messy circle too quickly.
05:38:33 <elliott> monqy: Try it full-screened.
05:38:47 <shachaf> how many moqnys does it take to change a lightblub
05:39:02 <ion> elliott: n/100?
05:39:15 <calamari> so it might have looked different for a real browser
05:39:26 <monqy> elliott: all that changed is the spinny square is more rectangley now. it still doesn't work on n>1
05:39:44 <monqy> oh and being big makes it jerkier
05:39:54 <dbelange> #@&:%%000000000%%:&@# RAINBOWS ARE GOD'S WAY OF LICKING DICK
05:40:00 <ion> monqy: TWSS
05:41:03 <elliott> shachaf: Shut the fuck up with the "hi X" already.
05:41:13 <ion> elliott: hi X
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05:41:32 <ion> zzo38: hi X
05:41:40 <zzo38> ion: What X is that?
05:42:07 <shachaf> zzo38: Are you coming to BayHac?
05:42:13 <shachaf> monqy: Are you coming to BayHac? It's this weekend!
05:42:23 <monqy> what's this weekend
05:42:27 <zzo38> shachaf: I don't think so. What and where is BayHac?
05:42:34 <ion> monqy: He simply mistyped “GayHac”.
05:42:36 <shachaf> zzo38: Bay Area Haskell Hackathon. Bay Area.
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05:42:42 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: +b *!*dbelange@*.csclub.uwaterloo.ca.
05:42:42 -!- oerjan has kicked dbelange dbelange.
05:42:55 <shachaf> oerjan: Kick me while you're at it!
05:42:56 <zzo38> oerjan: Can you give a proper reason instead?
05:42:57 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan.
05:43:09 <shachaf> zzo38: dbelange was spamming.
05:43:13 <oerjan> zzo38: bah i can but i always forget
05:43:20 <elliott> oerjan: i would suggest dbelange*!*@*
05:43:28 <oerjan> zzo38: he spammed, and after i gave him a warning even
05:43:31 <shachaf> oerjan: i would suggest *!*@*
05:43:35 <elliott> oerjan: he specifically pinged you before spamming it again.
05:43:46 <elliott> i suggest that ban be of the indefinite sort.
05:43:51 <shachaf> Remember the thing where "*.*" finds files that don't have a "." in them?
05:43:54 <zzo38> oerjan: But still, you should specify the reason in the KICK message otherwise it can be unclear
05:44:10 <zzo38> shachaf: That is in DOS. In DOS, all filenames have "." in them.
05:44:18 <shachaf> zzo38: But in Windows too.
05:44:22 <oerjan> zzo38: i know, i just never remember to do so
05:44:34 <ion> shachaf: Remember the thing where a file your browser happened to download simply being named “something.exe” makes it executable?
05:44:40 <ion> Good old times.
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05:44:50 <shachaf> ion: What's wrong with that?
05:44:56 <shachaf> +x is a pointless part of UNIX permissions.
05:44:56 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: +b dbelange*!*@*.
05:45:20 <monqy> i like how chromium warns me when i download .exe files
05:45:22 <elliott> oerjan: you left the old ban there, btw
05:45:24 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -b *!*dbelange@*.csclub.uwaterloo.ca.
05:45:25 <zzo38> shachaf: I think +x is not pointless, it is useful thing
05:45:36 <ion> Now the completely unrelated dbelangeSmith is banned, too.
05:45:38 <elliott> oerjan: You should kick shachaf so he shuts up about it. :(
05:45:47 -!- oerjan has kicked shachaf shachaf.
05:45:57 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan.
05:46:13 <elliott> We were only, like, 50 kicks away from a perfect channel.
05:47:09 <zzo38> Please look at the Pokemon Card see if you win
05:47:48 <elliott> oerjan: I'm disappointed he didn't even paste a different flood the second time.
05:48:10 <elliott> monqy: Did you try /no full screen?
05:48:19 <lambdabot> Local time for elliott is Fri Apr 20 06:48:51
05:48:21 <monqy> how do i full screen
05:48:41 <elliott> Move it to an unused workspace/
05:48:43 <zzo38> monqy: It depend the client program you use to view it
05:48:45 <elliott> I just mean filling your screen.
05:48:47 <monqy> elliott: yeah i did that
05:49:07 <zzo38> I think in Firefox it is F11
05:49:16 <monqy> 22:39:26 < monqy> elliott: all that changed is the spinny square is more rectangley now. it still doesn't work on n>1
05:49:24 <monqy> probably got lost since it was right before the flood
05:49:37 <elliott> i have no idea what could be wrong
05:49:39 <ion> monqy: Screenshot?
05:50:05 <elliott> Sgeo: Does /no work in technicolour for you?
05:50:11 <elliott> We need more Chrome users, man.
05:50:12 <monqy> n=1 is just boring old spinny rectangle how it should be, and n=2 is just white, and n=3 is just black etc
05:50:56 <Sgeo> elliott, does black and white count as technicolor?
05:52:37 <elliott> ion: Help, what's wrong with http://esolangs.org/no.
05:52:42 <Sgeo> I don't think it does what it's supposed to
05:52:44 <oerjan> elliott: so you think there should be about 9 people left?
05:52:53 <ion> elliott: :-D
05:52:54 <Sgeo> It's not squares in squares merely rotating
05:53:03 <elliott> oerjan: Something like that, yes.
05:53:06 <elliott> Sgeo: It's not meant to be.
05:53:17 <elliott> ion: Apparently every number is even.
05:53:48 <elliott> ion: Okay, I fixed that part.
05:53:52 <elliott> ion: Now why doesn't it look the same? :(
05:54:07 <monqy> oooh it's doing something
05:54:15 <elliott> monqy: Yes, I changed it lots.
05:54:19 <monqy> but it's kind of crazy
05:54:20 <elliott> It doesn't use iframes now but it's broken
05:54:43 <elliott> This would be good were it smoother.
05:55:04 <monqy> it looks pretty smooth to me, but maybe I have high tolerance
05:55:23 <elliott> monqy: Huh? It's ridiculously skippy here.
05:55:36 <monqy> definitely not ridiculously skippy here
05:57:34 <calamari> seems to suddenly jump tho, maybe an android bug?
05:57:50 <elliott> <elliott> monqy: Huh? It's ridiculously skippy here.
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05:58:05 <calamari> or maybe just an optical illusion from it being larger than my screen
05:58:47 <monqy> maybe I'm seeing something different from you guys whihc happens to not be skippy?? i dunno. or maybe my graphics processing is really great but I doubt that
05:58:47 <ion> elliott: A start: div { width: 500px; height: 500px; overflow: hidden; }
06:00:39 <ion> elliott: That makes it behave a bit better.
06:00:44 <pikhq> ion: "Best viewed on 800x600 screens"
06:00:57 <elliott> Now why doesn't it work with 100%?
06:01:10 <monqy> wow the new version is ridiculously skippy
06:01:12 <monqy> what did you do D:
06:01:25 <monqy> and the new version isn't anything like the old version visually
06:02:00 <elliott> <ion> elliott: A start: div { width: 500px; height: 500px; overflow: hidden; }
06:02:00 <elliott> <ion> elliott: That makes it behave a bit better.
06:02:00 <elliott> <pikhq> ion: "Best viewed on 800x600 screens"
06:02:00 <elliott> <elliott> Now why doesn't it work with 100%?
06:02:04 <elliott> monqy: We're working on it.
06:03:07 <ion> elliott: div{width:100%;height:100%;overflow:hidden;position:absolute}
06:03:56 <elliott> ion: Okay. Why does that look totally different to the iframe version? :(
06:04:18 <ion> Yeah. I’m not sure what to do about that.
06:04:27 <elliott> Meh, restored the iframe version.
06:04:31 <monqy> it's really laggy and sometimes it vanishes
06:04:52 <monqy> (w/r/t the one right before restore)
06:05:55 <elliott> ion: http://esolangs.org/no
06:06:37 <monqy> beautiful, but it's still vanished on n>1 :(
06:07:18 <elliott> monqy: How big is your screen?
06:07:40 <monqy> i think the viewable page portion is 989x949
06:08:05 <monqy> making it smaller or bigger doesn't help
06:08:16 <ion> elliott: whee
06:08:47 <elliott> monqy: I mean, how big is your screen?
06:09:49 <zzo38> Which is the channel to play Pokemon Card at?
06:09:53 <ion> monqy: Which browser version do you have?
06:10:06 <monqy> about chromium says its Chromium 18.0.1025.162 (Developer Build 0 Linux)
06:10:43 <ion> elliott: One could add color transitions!
06:11:02 <ion> elliott: A tunnel effect, anyone?
06:11:10 <elliott> ion: TOO LATE ALREADY ADVERTISED IT IN -BLAH
06:11:27 <ion> elliott: Add the same color cycle to every page, but use an n-based offset.
06:12:43 <ion> elliott: One can add an initial delay between the timing function and the iteration count in “animation:”
06:12:51 <ion> The default being 0s
06:13:05 <elliott> Are you suggesting I do that to the non-iframe version?
06:13:15 <ion> No, the iframe version.
06:13:16 <elliott> Man, I totally promoted this in -blah at the WRONG TIME.
06:13:26 <elliott> ion: OK, will give it a go in a minute.
06:14:14 <lambdabot> Local time for elliott is Fri Apr 20 07:14:46
06:15:02 <lambdabot> Local time for ion is Fri Apr 20 09:15:01 2012
06:15:11 <ion> Maybe continue watching mitx-6.002 lectures.
06:15:42 <ion> After time well spent on an important iframe and css project
06:16:02 <elliott> ion: 5s delay added to http://esolangs.org/no
06:16:47 <monqy> then showing up more
06:17:01 <elliott> ion: OK, so colour transition code.
06:17:52 <ion> elliott: I meant, add a new animation for the body background color. Create an infinite color cycle (using whatever colors you want). Use body { -webkit-animation: color-cycle 10s linear Xs infinite; } where X is e.g. n/20.
06:18:05 <elliott> What are the best colours?
06:18:55 <ion> How’s this for starters: @-webkit-keyframes color-cycle { 0% { background: #000; } 50% { background: #fff; } 100% { background: #000; } }
06:20:10 <monqy> so far it's working but i can only see one square fading in and out
06:21:06 <elliott> ion: I think this might be... a failed experiment.
06:22:40 <ion> elliott: Ok, now perhaps change the “10s” to “5s” and use, say, @-webkit-keyframes color-cycle { 0% { background: #000; } 10% { background: #00f; } 20% { background: #0ff; } 30% { background: #0f0; } 40% { background: #ff0; } 50% { background: #f00; } 60% { background: #f0f; } 70% { background: #fff; } 80% { background: #00f }; 90% { background: #f00; } 100% { background: #000; } }
06:22:52 <elliott> I like how you said that right after I removed it.
06:23:01 <ion> elliott: I think it will look like a moving tunnel if we tweak the time values.
06:25:23 <ion> Now all i see is a white page.
06:25:48 <monqy> ?n=1 is good though
06:25:53 <monqy> a "no" zips by quickly
06:26:15 <ion> Perhaps the keyframes thing needs to be defined before -webkit-animation refers to it.
06:27:09 <elliott> The old one was like that too.
06:27:21 <elliott> Are you sure you have no syntax errors?
06:27:49 <ion> Ah, there seems to be a misplaced ; just before “90%”.
06:29:02 <elliott> Removed, but I think that's valid.
06:29:58 <ion> n/100 for the delay perhaps
06:30:07 <elliott> Delay is the one after animation name right>?
06:30:16 <ion> after linear
06:30:27 <monqy> I just see a nice full-screen colourchange
06:30:29 <elliott> (You realise that the top page is 100, right?)
06:30:29 <monqy> but it's beautiful
06:30:51 <ion> Now the problem is that the starting times are affected by the iframe loading times. :-\
06:30:54 <monqy> ?n=1 also has a spinny square
06:31:15 <monqy> (the square is also colourechang)
06:31:31 <elliott> mmm http://esolangs.org/no?n=1
06:32:28 <ion> Random experimentation: @-webkit-keyframe color-cycle { 0% { background: #000; } 40% { background: #00f; } 50% { background: #fff; } 60% { background: #0f0; } 100% { background: #000; } }
06:33:25 <elliott> It's called "col" now. Get w/ the project.
06:34:15 <ion> Duh, now i typed “keyframe” instead of “keyframes”.
06:34:44 <ion> Why doesn’t IRC have CSS syntax checking?
06:36:15 <ion> (100-n)/100
06:36:54 <ion> And the top page could have a static background, e.g. #000
06:37:31 <ion> The delay seems to be irrelevant, the loading time is too significant.
06:37:43 <elliott> Could artificially super-lengthen the delay to give it time to settle
06:38:09 <ion> I think the only solution would be to use JavaScript to synchronize them based on the system clock. :-P
06:41:15 <ion> Perhaps add another white flash to the sequence: @-webkit-keyframes col { 0% { background: #fff; } 10% { background: #000; } 40% { background: #00f; } 50% { background: #fff; } 60% { background: #f00; } 90% { background: #000; } 100% { background: #fff; } }
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07:25:55 <Sgeo> elliott? Sleeping? Really?
07:26:35 <monqy> it's funny because
07:40:12 <zzo38> I added more I made the file in which I recorded the dreams; both myself and others
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08:09:41 <zzo38> Can you play the barometer game?
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08:17:34 <zzo38> I have some text adventure game in my computer involving the use of a barometer to measurea building.
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13:56:10 <nortti> you can /query lambdabot and then say @ping
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13:59:36 <nortti> ja siitä piti ilmoittaa koska ....?
14:00:52 <oklopol> vihdoin ollaan samaa mielt
14:04:58 <oklopol> i would just like to inform everyone that me and nortti have unanimously decided that the only allowed language on this channel is finnish
14:05:53 <oklopol> i think. it's a very ambiguous language.
14:05:54 <nortti> actually he decided that himself for that message
14:06:13 <oklopol> i have no idea what we were talking about then
14:07:36 <oklopol> so i hear that it's unknown whether the ternary square-free subshift is transitive
14:08:32 <nortti> oklopol:"unbelievable" nortti:"what" oklopol:"almost everything" nortti:"and you need to inform about that because ...?" oklopol:"��?" nortti:"interesting" oklopol:"yes" "at last we agree"
14:09:12 <oklopol> well you totally took that out of context.
14:09:39 <nortti> what did I took out of context?
14:11:18 <nortti> I don't understand how I took that out of context
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14:14:03 <nortti> that conversation is conversation between me and oklopol after Foggalong had left in english
14:14:05 <oklopol> fizzie: are you a phd yet?
14:16:56 <oklopol> or alternatively the president of finland
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14:18:14 <nortti> oklopol: I don't think that fizzie is Sauli Niinistö
14:19:38 <oklopol> i don't have time to check the president situation daily, i'm a busy man
14:19:39 <fizzie> No; I should be one at the end of 2013, is the schedule. (I mean, not the president.)
14:20:02 <oklopol> then i'm in a bit of a hurry if i want to beat you
14:20:59 <nortti> getting elected as president in 2013 would require some skills because next presidental election is in 2018
14:21:13 <oklopol> has your erdos number increased? or decreased, but that's significantly less interesting.
14:22:08 <oklopol> nortti: fizzie has done some impressive stuff in befunge, which is essentially the two-dimensional version of finnish politics.
14:22:18 <RocketJSquirrel> `addquote <oklopol> nortti: fizzie has done some impressive stuff in befunge, which is essentially the two-dimensional version of finnish politics.
14:22:26 <HackEgo> 840) <oklopol> nortti: fizzie has done some impressive stuff in befunge, which is essentially the two-dimensional version of finnish politics.
14:22:50 <oklopol> nortti: yeah that's english for erds
14:23:13 <nortti> oklopol: I don't see the connection between befunge and finnish politics
14:25:32 <oklopol> well i'm talking about the hausdorff dimension, if that helps
14:32:37 <oklopol> fizzie: please answer, this is very important
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14:33:38 <nortti> tai no täällä on niin paljon suomalaisia että moi
14:34:07 <oklopol> you have a very familiar name
14:34:52 <oklopol> you're the guy who hates thx right
14:35:20 <oklopol> i read everything you've ever written some years ago
14:35:21 <Lumpio-> I don't think I even have that .txt file online anymore though, I eventually gave up with it.
14:35:38 <oklopol> but i don't think we've ever talked
14:35:59 <nortti> I know him from #ohjelmointiputka at irnet
14:37:23 <oklopol> back when i liked programming
14:37:32 <fizzie> oklopol: I don't think I have any/many new coauthors, so probably not.
14:37:57 <oklopol> i have now given someone an erdos number, but i haven't decreased my own
14:39:13 <oklopol> i write all my papers with the same coauthor or alone
14:40:29 <oklopol> well except the one obvious exception, because what i just said doesn't make much sense otherwise.
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15:22:38 <itidus21> they're a system for hello worlding anywhere kovin fast
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15:26:39 <itidus21> apparently i used wrong word though
15:29:05 <itidus21> wiki says.. kovin is often with a negation verb
15:29:41 <itidus21> so maybe if i said "not kovin slowly"
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15:44:02 <hagb4rd> mouth and eyes and heart all bleed and run in..thickening streams of greed as bit by bit it..starts the need to just let go my party piece
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15:44:02 <hagb4rd> ~ * ~ > http://homepage.alice.de/hagbard/disintegration.php < ~ * ~
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15:47:29 <oerjan> oklopol: fix your client to use utf-8 okthxbye
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16:23:15 <HackEgo> Lumpio-: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
16:23:32 <Lumpio-> Hi, and thanks, I've actually read the wiki quite a few times already
16:23:53 <RocketJSquirrel> Just noticed nobody'd given you the proper #esoteric welcome
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16:24:06 <Lumpio-> Is there a secret handshake too?
16:24:24 <RocketJSquirrel> Yes, it involves praising Gregor Richards for his awesome IOCCC win.
16:24:39 <Lumpio-> Maybe a dance encoding of Brainfuck, you could use it to declare your name as well!
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16:26:49 <HackEgo> LUMPIO-: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE
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16:27:15 <Lumpio-> ALSO MY HEARING IS QUITE FINE
16:27:23 <kmc> `WeLcOmE kmc
16:27:25 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: WeLcOmE: not found
16:27:30 * kmc disappoint
16:27:34 <Lumpio-> Aww, it doesn't do automatic LaMeRCaSe
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16:28:05 <elliott> as i was saying: good afternoon
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16:28:36 <RocketJSquirrel> `run echo -e '#!/bin/sh\necho "No lame-case for you."' > bin/WeLcOmE ; chmod 0755 bin/WeLcOmE
16:30:49 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Open this in a WebKit browser: http://esolangs.org/no
16:30:58 <elliott> Or did I already throw that at you...
16:31:15 <elliott> It doesn't work in Firefox.
16:31:18 <elliott> You're thinking of no.html.
16:31:40 <elliott> Uhh... possibly. Your phone might catch fire.
16:33:16 <elliott> At the bottom of all 100 iframes
16:33:19 <elliott> You can't technically see it.
16:33:49 <RocketJSquirrel> I'm amazed that my tablet was responsive enough to close that tab without issue.
16:33:56 <nortti> elliott: IFrame inside IFrame inside IFrame inside....
16:34:46 <nortti> and after all that clicking to get links2 display it there is text no
16:35:45 <elliott> It's... not really links2-optimised.
16:35:55 <nortti> I have to click IFrame link in links2 to see contents of that IFrame
16:36:27 <nortti> elliott: I don't think that any page is links2 optimised
16:36:57 <elliott> `addquote <elliott> It's... not really links2-optimised. <nortti> elliott: I don't think that any page is links2 optimised
16:36:59 <HackEgo> 841) <elliott> It's... not really links2-optimised. <nortti> elliott: I don't think that any page is links2 optimised
16:37:29 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.12790
16:37:40 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: since when was that a requirement?
16:38:08 <nortti> I like how that pastequotes script is just a one line hack
16:38:43 <nortti> `run cat `which pastefortunes`
16:38:46 <HackEgo> { for i in *; do fortune; echo '-----' ; done; } | paste
16:39:28 <oklopol> "oerjan oklopol: fix your client to use utf-8 okthxbye" no u
16:39:53 <elliott> `run cat `which pastequotes`
16:39:56 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ if [ "$1" ]; then quote "$1"; else allquotes; fi | paste
16:39:59 <elliott> Same applies to pastequotes :P
16:41:25 <nortti> `run ls -l `which pastefortunes`
16:41:28 <HackEgo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 57 Apr 20 16:41 /hackenv/bin/pastefortunes
16:42:21 <HackEgo> cat: `which WELCOME`: No such file or directory
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16:42:31 <nortti> `run cat `which WELCOME`
16:42:34 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ welcome "$@" | perl -ne 'print uc($_)'
16:42:45 <nortti> `run cat `which welcome`
16:42:48 <HackEgo> #!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; }
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16:49:56 <nortti> `run echo -e '#/bin/sh\necho -e "WeLcOmE tO tHe InTeRnAtIoNaL hUb FoR eSoTeRiC pRoGrAmMiNg LaNgUaGe dEsIgN aNd DePlOyMeNt! FoR mOrE iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK oUt OuR wIkI:\nHtTp://EsOlAnGs.OrG/wIkI/mAiN_pAgE"' > bin/WeLcOmE; chmod 0755 bin/WeLcOmE
16:49:58 <Patashu> I am trying to code a bot in mIRCscript
16:50:41 <nortti> `run echo -e '#/bin/sh\necho -e "$1: WeLcOmE tO tHe InTeRnAtIoNaL hUb FoR eSoTeRiC pRoGrAmMiNg LaNgUaGe dEsIgN aNd DePlOyMeNt! FoR mOrE iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK oUt OuR wIkI:\nHtTp://EsOlAnGs.OrG/wIkI/mAiN_pAgE"' > bin/WeLcOmE; chmod 0755 bin/WeLcOmE
16:51:00 <HackEgo> Patashu: WeLcOmE tO tHe InTeRnAtIoNaL hUb FoR eSoTeRiC pRoGrAmMiNg LaNgUaGe dEsIgN aNd DePlOyMeNt! FoR mOrE iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK oUt OuR wIkI: \ HtTp://EsOlAnGs.OrG/wIkI/mAiN_pAgE
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16:53:05 <elliott> Patashu: can't you try it on another client?
16:53:21 <Patashu> another client that supports mIRCscript
16:53:25 <Patashu> while (%highestentry > %entryno) {
16:53:29 <Patashu> why does this make mIRC disconnect
16:53:38 <elliott> a client that doesn't have the name Patashu
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16:54:21 <Patashu> if it does it one more time I'm going to give up and go to bed
16:54:44 <lambdabot> Local time for Patashu is Sat Apr 21 02:54:37 2012
16:54:53 <lambdabot> Local time for nortti is Fri Apr 20 19:54:58 2012
16:54:58 <lambdabot> Local time for elliott is Fri Apr 20 17:55:31
16:56:27 <nortti> http://www.cracked.com/article_19768_6-terrifying-childrens-cartoons-from-around-world.html
16:59:53 <itidus21> the Groke reminds me of a character in bubble bobble
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17:01:00 <itidus21> which i was just thinking about yesterday!
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17:07:11 <RocketJSquirrel> <nortti> http://www.cracked.com/article_19768_6-terrifying-childrens-cartoons-from-around-world.html // I'll take MLP:FiM, TYVM.
17:09:03 <ion> elliott: hi
17:10:57 <elliott> ion: what was that next one you wanted me to try?
17:10:59 <Ngevd> (btw, the time inbetween me joining the channel and me saying "Hello!" was caused by me falling asleep)
17:15:57 <ion> I was wondering whether it would look nice or totally suck if we added another white flash to the sequence. @-webkit-keyframes col { 0% { background: #fff; } 10% { background: #000; } 40% { background: #00f; } 50% { background: #fff; } 60% { background: #f00; } 90% { background: #000; } 100% { background: #fff; } }
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17:17:22 <ion> elliott: And adding copies of the styles with the other browser-specific vendor prefixes and the official CSS one would be nice.
17:17:51 <elliott> Yeah yeah, I'll write some PHP to do that later :P
17:17:56 <ion> ["", "-webkit-", "-moz-", "-ms-", "-o-"]
17:19:39 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/no I made it alternate because why not.
17:19:57 <ion> Also, how about changing the background color of the top-level page to static black?
17:20:18 <elliott> That's such a pain but OK :P
17:20:33 <ion> How about trying “ease” for the marquee once again?
17:21:01 <ion> alternate changes the effect a bit.
17:21:13 <elliott> Done all, and reverted the colours
17:21:35 <elliott> I think I messed up the border
17:21:43 <elliott> Yeah, ease is crappy because it just creates a huge black hole
17:22:03 <ion> I think the CSS might be broken.
17:22:33 <ion> It doesn’t do the marquee at all here.
17:22:54 <ion> That’s probably what causes the black hole in the middle.
17:23:05 <elliott> -webkit-animation: mar /*13*/8s linear infinite alternate; /*ease infinite alternate;*/
17:23:05 <elliott> -webkit-animation: rot 120s linear infinite;
17:23:11 <elliott> Wait, how did those get put in one rule?
17:23:35 <elliott> And added a 1px white border to iframes 'cuz why not
17:24:11 <elliott> Wow, I had no idea the internal geometry was this complex
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17:27:32 <ion> The current marquee animation keeps the thing outside the screen too much.
17:27:45 <elliott> I'll adjust the translate.
17:28:11 <elliott> Also, the ease is the wrong way.
17:28:18 <elliott> It goes slower at the edges, while IMO it should go slower in the middle.
17:30:19 <elliott> Bah, I'll have to use cubic-bezier to fix that.
17:30:30 <ion> Try changing ease to cubic-bezier(0,0.5,1,0.5)
17:31:11 <elliott> It would be nice to make the whole thing more square-shaped.
17:31:34 <elliott> Ugh, this one goes to circle mess too
17:31:46 <ion> Yeah, we’re getting to the same problem as with the black hole.
17:32:26 <elliott> Yeah, if you stay in one place too much, the hall of mirrors starts reflecting itself too much :P
17:32:37 <elliott> So I guess you have to be fast when there's a lot visible.
17:32:56 <ion> How about keeping the cubic-bezier thing but removing alternate and restoring the 100% translations?
17:34:26 <elliott> But it still degenerates, just slower.
17:35:11 <ion> Perhaps change the two 0.5s to 0.2 or something.
17:35:30 <ion> Oh, wait. That’s wrong.
17:35:35 <ion> 0,0.2,1,0.8
17:36:15 <elliott> Done; I'd just like to take a moment to marvel at how optimised WebKit's rendering engine must be to render this mess at any reasonable speed.
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17:38:34 <nortti> has anyone here ever used tomsrtbt?
17:40:28 <elliott> ion: Why is my mosh session all froze up. :(
17:46:27 <elliott> ion: http://esolangs.org/no Finally, something that actually freezes my browser.
17:47:39 <nortti> elliott: doesn't freeze my browser
17:48:38 <elliott> Because that's like saying your car never crashes because it can only go at 1 mph.
17:49:41 <ion> :-) The frame rate does get a bit low.
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17:51:28 <nortti> my other browser (hv3) also doesn't freeze
17:51:50 <nortti> and has support for ECMAScript
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18:02:18 <lambdabot> lament: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
18:02:59 <lament> does anyone wish to be banned
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18:04:46 <elliott> clog, he hasn't said anything in years, must really hate the place
18:05:22 <lament> clog is the only one in this channel who really understands me
18:06:12 <itidus21> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.21645
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18:09:59 <lament> a surprisingly short list
18:10:21 <itidus21> technically many of those probably expired
18:10:40 <lament> such things never expire
18:11:05 <itidus21> and shachaf was quite specific that he wanted oerjan in particular to ban him
18:11:34 <elliott> lament: just /msg chanserv clear #esoteric users
18:11:39 <elliott> anyone who wants to be banned just won't come back
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18:13:00 <lament> perhaps they want to be banned but will still come back due to poor impulse control
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18:13:54 <elliott> well, ban anyone who comes back then :)
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18:16:24 <elliott> Hi Ngevd! We just had some bans.
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18:18:52 <zzo38> Does clog being an op mean anything of use?
18:19:30 <elliott> zzo38: It could ban people. ...Very quietly.
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18:55:38 <zzo38> I can now say that I have written the advanced search form (accessible from the main menu) for Chess Variants.
18:57:57 <zzo38> Anyone playing Pokemon Card on here by now?
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19:18:51 <elliott> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10222297/i-got-this-code-form-google-i-want-statement-wise-explanation-plz-help-me-if-an what a great question
19:20:15 <Lumpio-> There's not even any code there! D:
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19:24:41 <elliott> anything with /* in it must be code
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19:34:53 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: No, it was deleted before I linked it.
19:35:12 <elliott> I wasn't expecting anybody to actually be able to read it :P
19:35:14 <impomatic> zzo38: I've just sold all my Pokemon Cards, apart from a few black star promos
19:35:53 <zzo38> impomatic: That is OK, you don't need any for what I am trying to ask about.
19:37:09 <zzo38> Do you know the first edition rules? I use these rules with a few variations having to do with resolving ties (I dislike the standard rules for resolving ties).
19:37:16 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Phantom_Hoover: http://ompldr.org/vZGc3ZA
19:38:03 <impomatic> I haven't played for about 10 years... I don't really remember.
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19:39:23 <zzo38> Such as, in this picture, what can you think about this situation and who do you think is winning? (I can supply card texts if you want, or answer any other questions about the rules of the game) http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_14/pokemoncard1.png
19:40:07 <zzo38> I do have another picture for later in the game too; if you make guesses about this one I will show you the next one too
19:40:37 <Lumpio-> ...that was deleted like yesterday
19:42:25 <zzo38> impomatic: In case you need reminded, there are three ways of winning the game: If you have picked up all of your side cards, you win. If you have no more cards in play, you lose. If you have no cards to draw at the beginning of your turn, you lose.
19:43:32 <Lumpio-> Why is that picture partially in Japanese and partially in English
19:44:11 <zzo38> Lumpio-: It is a translation patch which translates all the card texts to English and leaves the rest in Japanese.
19:44:40 <Lumpio-> I thought there was an official English translation of that
19:45:22 <zzo38> Well, this is the unofficial version.
19:46:15 <Lumpio-> At any rate I'd say the top player has an advantage.
19:46:35 <zzo38> Lumpio-: Why do you believe that? (Notice that the top player is confused.)
19:47:06 <elliott> They're not the only one [CANNED LAUGHTER]
19:47:23 <elliott> Imagine if you could actually put laughter in a can.
19:47:51 <Lumpio-> Actually I only now noticed the top player has way less cards left on their deck.
19:49:39 <zzo38> Lumpio-: Well, yes, there are many things to notice. Top player has already picked up one side card, they have two Stage 2 evolution cards, more cards in hand, more cards in trash. But also notice that the bottom player has HAUNTER [Lv17] which has a specal ability that attacks have a 50% chance not to affect it.
19:50:29 <Lumpio-> ...then again it also can't damage the kangaskhan
19:50:39 <zzo38> Lumpio-: Yes, that too.
19:51:22 <Lumpio-> But 1) one prize card taken 2) two level 2 pokemon on the bench (one has enough energy for a decent attack) 3) one more pokemon on the bench in total
19:51:33 <Lumpio-> 4) resistance against all current enemy pokemon attacks
19:51:58 <Lumpio-> Also I'd imagine he also has a good probability of having a good hand
19:52:40 <Lumpio-> Since I think he might've used a prof. oak
19:53:01 <Lumpio-> Which you usually use when you only have "bad" cards in your hand, and it should get you better ones
19:53:05 <Lumpio-> Then again I'm not an expert
19:53:08 <zzo38> OK. Who do you think is winning now (a later part of the game)? http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_14/pokemoncardII.png
19:55:54 <zzo38> It is LUGIA [Lv55] it says right there. Its attack is 2+2*coin(2) damage.
20:00:54 <zzo38> After that, see if you can solve this puzzle game I made up: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/puzzle.1
20:02:05 <zzo38> And this one too: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/puzzle.2
20:05:38 <Lumpio-> Those 7+ energy on that charmander look suspicious
20:07:07 <zzo38> There are ten in total. And, yes, it is looking suspicious.
20:07:44 <zzo38> But there are uses for such a thing.
20:11:08 <Lumpio-> ...he's not trying to do the obvious and evolve that and then spam attacks is he
20:23:45 <lambdabot> Local time for nortti_ is Fri Apr 20 23:23:49 2012
20:23:51 <lambdabot> Local time for oklopol is Fri Apr 20 23:23:26 2012
20:25:52 <lambdabot> Local time for fizzie is Fri Apr 20 23:25:51 2012
20:25:55 <lambdabot> Local time for Deewiant is Fri Apr 20 23:25:54 2012
20:26:00 <lambdabot> Local time for atehwa is Fri Apr 20 23:25:58 2012
20:26:03 <lambdabot> Local time for ineiros is Fri Apr 20 23:26:02 2012
20:26:05 <lambdabot> Local time for ion is Fri Apr 20 23:26:05 2012
20:26:07 <lambdabot> Local time for Lumpio- is Fri Apr 20 23:26:07 2012
20:26:42 <Deewiant> oklopol: Your clock is off by about 25 seconds
20:26:51 <HackEgo> Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least five of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus.
20:27:04 <elliott> `learn Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least eight of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus.
20:27:54 <ion> > let co ('c':'o':xs) = xs; co xs = 'c':'o':xs in co "corun"
20:33:42 <zzo38> Lumpio-: That is one possibility, another possibility is the MR.FUJI to prevent from running out of cards; but actually he was just bluffing.
20:34:24 <zzo38> (The top player lost; he ran out of cards with nothing to save him)
20:35:09 <elliott> RocketJSquirrel: You awful person.
20:37:53 <nortti_> I have been thinking about an esoteric programming language: it is string rewriting and I think it is at least a PDA. > copies char next to it in right side to next string, < copies char next to it in left side, x copies from both sides, - doesn't copy anything, [ and ] don't copy anything and work something like this ">["->"[" ">[ab"->"[ab" ">[ab]c"->"[ab]" ">]a"-> "a" ">[ab[c]d"->"[ab[c]"(and "]<"->"]" "ab]<"->"ab]" "c[ab]<"->"[ab]"
20:38:59 <Lumpio-> zzo38: Well he was doing pretty well in the first picture but eventually ran out of material I guess.
20:43:31 <zzo38> Lumpio-: Actually, even in the first picture I was thinking he was almost definitely losing. Which works if the bottom player (me) can defend, which partially involved not knocking out the opponent's cards because if that is done, he can switch more easily and attack; so this way gives him limited chances to switch.
20:43:58 <elliott> Lumpio-: By the way, are you from Helsinki? Statistics purposes.
20:44:40 <zzo38> Lumpio-: Can you solve either of the text-based puzzles?
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20:55:55 <Lumpio-> elliott: I'm in Lahti which is about 100km to the North of Helsinki
20:57:00 <Lumpio-> zzo38: I take it the solution would be the one that has the highest probability of winning? (including 100%)
20:57:39 <elliott> Lumpio-: Hmm. That probably counts as Helsinki.
20:58:25 <nortti_> how many people there were from either helsinki or hexham?
20:58:50 <elliott> Helsinki has, like, five, and Hexham only two. But we still win for density.
20:59:30 <fizzie> I don't think Lahti really counts if you ask a random Finn; I doubt many would count places like Järvenpää or Kerava either.
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21:00:53 <fizzie> There are two sort of "standard" extensions to Helsinki; the green and light-green bits of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Helsinki
21:00:58 <elliott> fizzie: Well, the thing is, if you guys get to count Lahti, not only does that raise your total population (and thus lower your density), but it means we get to count, say, Newcastle or Edinburgh too.
21:01:26 <itidus21> http://oi43.tinypic.com/111ig6b.jpg
21:02:26 <itidus21> for those who look "I know.. it's very droll.."
21:02:49 <zzo38> Lumpio-: But can you find anything at all with either of these two puzzles?
21:03:26 <Lumpio-> zzo38: Gimme a moment, the last time I played pokemon card games must've been 8 years ago...
21:04:28 <fizzie> "Commonly about eight more municipalities are considered to be part of Greater Helsinki, as they can be considered as commuter towns and exurbs of Helsinki. When Hyvinkää, Järvenpää, Kerava, Kirkkonummi, Nurmijärvi, Sipoo, Tuusula, and Vihti are included, the number of inhabitants rises to 1.2 million. -- Statistics Finland define the commuter belt of Helsinki (Helsingin ...
21:04:35 <fizzie> ... työssäkäyntialue, Helsingfors pendlingsområde) to include a total of 24 municipalities, with a land area of 7,359.80 km2 and a population of 1,431,108 as of 31 December 2007.[2][3] In addition to that, there are people from as far as Lahti and even Tampere commuting to Helsinki daily." It sort of sounds like even Stat. Fin. doesn't count Lahti, despite a few weirdoes commuting from ...
21:06:26 <elliott> Can we have Edinburgh anyway?
21:06:54 <elliott> fizzie: It's < 100 miles, you know!
21:07:13 <fizzie> I don't really have an onion how these esolanginess rankings go.
21:07:23 <Lumpio-> 1) Use gengar's power to move 1 damage from dark muck to porygon 2) Use gust of wind to switch in grimer 3) Retreat gengar, bring out hypno 4) Use dark mind, with bench damage to porygon
21:07:26 <elliott> (Admittedly 100 miles is quite a lot of Britain.)
21:07:49 <zzo38> Lumpio-: No; won't work. Notice that weak/resist is being ignored.
21:08:36 <Lumpio-> Well, switch the mime in then ┐(￣ー￣)┌
21:08:41 <fizzie> The screwiest thing: the "online shop" of the national train company is not open during the night (23:30--06:00). Because why should the Internet be open at night?
21:08:53 <elliott> fizzie: Hey, the gerbils have to sleep.
21:09:05 <zzo38> Lumpio-: That won't work either; there are two of them, so they cancel each other's weak/resist
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21:10:29 <Lumpio-> Well that's not very nice of you.
21:11:04 <zzo38> Not very nice of me? No, I just make the game to be not too easy.
21:15:16 <elliott> Sigh, I really need to install more fonts.
21:15:35 <elliott> FFE3 301C FFE3 just isn't a very appealing face.
21:18:28 <itidus21> i once made this trivial military sim game.. and my friend found a loophole.. and i was frustrated by that. game designing ain't easy
21:18:42 <itidus21> once real people start using your rules
21:20:58 <oklopol> Deewiant: i'm sure that's due to my gravitational field.
21:21:57 <impomatic> Fizzie: my internet banking is only open 9am to 5pm
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21:33:14 <RocketJSquirrel> <impomatic> Fizzie: my internet banking is only open 9am to 5pm lolwut
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21:37:11 <elliott> that was just a normal everyday greeting
21:37:31 <itidus21> Greetings monqy. Hahahahahaha!
21:40:18 <itidus21> i think probability of someone laughing at you after greeting you with the word greetings is signifigantly larger than that if they greet you with a more typical greeting
21:40:49 <ion> `pastelogs \<hi\>
21:41:04 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16181
21:41:15 <ion> `pastelogs \bhi\b
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21:46:21 <elliott> I like how glogbackup decided to come back.
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21:47:48 <elliott> ion: I hope you're proud of yourself.
21:48:17 <ion> `pastelogs \bhi\b
21:48:30 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.29077
21:49:05 <monqy> it's hell: the text file
21:49:18 <ion> Why doesn’t it paste the whole thing? :-(
21:49:35 <elliott> It would just time out if it did.
21:49:41 <elliott> Chromium thinks that page is in Catalan.
21:49:54 <elliott> 2003-03-22.txt:01:41:34: <lament> hi. It's rather quiet here, but you can always read the logs and reply to month-old conversations.
21:50:11 <elliott> lament predicted the art of logreading years before it was established.
21:50:41 * elliott is reading this as one continuous conversation.
21:50:55 <elliott> 2004-07-22.txt:22:58:23: <lament> the conversation, thinly spread over days and weeks, consists mostly of calamari_ saying "hi"
21:52:23 <itidus21> 2003-07-10.txt:06:13:54: <lament> It's a program that prints 'hi world', followed by a newline
21:55:06 <monqy> 00:26:48: <elliott> hi ettioll
21:55:06 <monqy> 00:26:52: <elliott> nice name actually
21:55:06 <monqy> 00:26:54: <ettioll> hi elliott
21:55:06 <monqy> 00:27:10: <elliott> hi
21:55:06 <monqy> 00:27:16: <ettioll> hi
21:55:08 <monqy> 00:28:40: <elliott> hi
21:55:11 <monqy> 00:28:49: <ettioll> hi
21:55:13 <monqy> 00:29:10: <monqy> hi
21:55:16 <monqy> 00:29:20: <ettioll> shut up, monqy
21:55:27 <zzo38> Lumpio-: Did you figure out the game now? You almost got it but not quite
22:03:16 <ion> elliott: You say that as it’s a normal kind of thing to do in that situation. :-P
22:04:07 <Sgeo> Lumpio-'s nick makes me think Lugonu now
22:04:39 <ion> <elliott> It would just time out if it did.
22:05:19 <elliott> ion: Oh! I meant the command would time out.
22:05:25 <elliott> Although that could happen too :P
22:06:02 <itidus21> http://oi40.tinypic.com/2wc31js.jpg
22:09:11 <itidus21> i seem to love screenshotting books i've never read
22:09:13 <monqy> Sgeo: oh dear, have you been talking in ##crawl again
22:09:26 <Sgeo> monqy, not Haskell stuff
22:09:46 <Sgeo> I think I like Crawl
22:09:59 <Sgeo> I can play it online without hurting my good NetHack game that's been there for years
22:11:46 * Sgeo was a worshipper of Trog
22:12:10 <elliott> Sgeo: how far is your "good nethack game" exactly
22:12:35 <Sgeo> elliott, not sure
22:13:11 <monqy> all you know about it is it's good?
22:13:54 <itidus21> maybe it's great and he doesn't realize it
22:15:26 <ion> I have an old unfinished game on one of the Crawl servers.
22:15:50 <Sgeo> elliott, I should log in
22:16:08 <zzo38> ion: Did they expire?
22:16:32 <Sgeo> I am on Dlvl 8
22:17:17 <ion> I have no idea. I hope not, perhaps i’ll finish it one day.
22:17:30 <ion> That is, die yet another stupid death.
22:17:42 <Sgeo> elliott, I'm not going to play now
22:18:02 <Sgeo> Why did I think I was doing well
22:18:16 <Sgeo> Oh, I think I'm in Minetown
22:18:21 <elliott> don't know how bad your average nethack game is
22:18:34 <elliott> but it must be only slightly better than mine if this is a many-years-old good-game
22:18:35 <monqy> is minetown doing well for sgeo
22:18:55 <Sgeo> I've been to Sokoban on several occasions
22:19:06 <Sgeo> And I think I typically do Mines after, I think?
22:23:09 <Sgeo> I did not, in fact, #quit
22:23:42 <monqy> "he already saved the game and in that way ended his playing session"
22:30:17 <quintopia> what is the most complete polyglot self-interpreter? (aka, for some set S, a P s.t. forall languages L in S, P is a valid L program that interprets L)
22:31:45 <zzo38> Lumpio-: In case you do not know the solution to this puzzle I can tell you, although you should try to figure it out yourself first (if you cannot, you can ask the the solution in case you want it).
22:34:08 <zzo38> I can also provide a hint if wanted.
22:35:31 <elliott> quintopia: Complete existing or possible?
22:35:53 <elliott> quintopia: I would suspect |S| < 4, and most likely = 2 or 1.
22:36:12 <elliott> quintopia: Actually, wait, that's easy.
22:36:20 <elliott> IIRC dbfi is portable to multiple EOF behaviours and bit widths.
22:36:22 <quintopia> what is the most complete multi-language interpreter
22:36:27 <elliott> Actually, I think it doesn't ever use under or overflow.
22:36:35 <elliott> So P = dbfi, |L| = \aleph_0
22:36:56 <elliott> dbfi only interprets 8-bit brainfuck on any host language.
22:37:09 <elliott> But you could pretty easily write a BF self-interpreter that matches the bitwidth of the host.
22:38:58 <quintopia> i was thinking of a program that ... as a C program interprets C, as a ruby program interprets ruby, as a bf program interprets bf, as a whitespace program interprets whitespace, etc.
22:39:18 <zzo38> I found the brainfuck interpreter in brainfuck which makes cells have twice as many bits as it is in the host
22:39:24 <elliott> You can easily write a program that as a BF_8 program interprets BF_8, as a BF_16 program interprets BF_16, etc.
22:39:26 <quintopia> i'm not sure how you're getting "infinite S"
22:39:27 <elliott> In fact, one of them might already exist.
22:39:35 <elliott> So |S| = \aleph_0 modulo S.M.O.P.
22:39:50 <elliott> It might help to define "language".
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22:40:09 <quintopia> "something that has its own wiki page somewhere"
22:40:35 <elliott> Consider a language family cheat(L) for all L, where cheat(L) has all instructions of L plus an additional instruction at some unlikely Unicode codepoint that is a self-interpreter.
22:40:58 <elliott> Then P = {that codepoint}, |S| = |all languages not using that codepoint|.
22:41:57 <itidus21> i know this isn't the best way to look at it but if you have the sources for multiple interpreters you could compile them all together into one which can determine if the input language matches any of it's available interpreters
22:43:28 <Phantom_Hoover> Where does the {true, false, filenotfound} thing come from originally anyway?
22:43:49 <quintopia> elliott: what is the best multi-interpreter written in any language?
22:44:07 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Some code that defined a boolean type that way.
22:44:37 <quintopia> elliott: most languages supported, runs as standalone app in linux
22:45:39 <Phantom_Hoover> (I thought it was from a .NET builtin for some reason.)
22:49:30 <itidus21> with these kind of questions i think it is possible to cheat the definition of program
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22:51:09 <itidus21> like.. if one was to take all the interpreters written in brainfuck.. would it be possible to add some code to them combining them all together.. i think it would
22:51:27 <elliott> If you're asking as a practical matter, then... a VM with a Linux distro on it. You phrased the question in a formal way, which didn't exactly indicate that.
22:52:04 <elliott> It's a very different question without the self-interpreter part, though.
22:53:19 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: The context wasn't posted AFAIK, but I presume it was being used as a status return type.
22:53:35 <elliott> i.e. success, fail, or fail-because-of-the-external-reason-that-the-file-is-missing
22:53:57 <Phantom_Hoover> Yeah, I was just confused for a while because I thought I'd seen the origin before.
22:54:09 <Phantom_Hoover> And I assumed TDWTF was referencing that, not some unseen code.
22:54:37 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: The origin was *posted* on TDWTF.
22:54:45 <elliott> The definition of the enum was a TDWTF submission.
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23:27:09 <zzo38> http://esolangs.org/no does not freeze by browser but it does prevent some commands from working until it is closed and restarted.
23:28:13 <nortti_> zzo38: what browser are you using?
23:28:40 <zzo38> nortti_: Mozilla-based.
23:29:12 <nortti_> based on which version of gecko?
23:29:41 <zzo38> How do I check that?
23:30:38 <zzo38> Is there any file which tells you that, or a JavaScript command on the chrome windows which will tell you that?
23:31:08 <elliott> It's more likely to freeze on WebKit, where the animation actually runs :P
23:33:55 <ion> hi elliott elliott elliott elliott elliott
23:34:46 <zzo38> nortti_: Gecko/20090629
23:35:41 <zzo38> nortti_: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1pre) Gecko/20090629 Vonkeror/1.0
23:35:55 <zzo38> Most other people I have asked about the puzzle.1 have answered in the same way as Lumpio- and said to GUST OF WIND to activate opponent's DARK MUK [Lv25] and move one point of damage from that to PORYGON [Lv12]; but that doesn't work because weak/resistance is currently being ignored. So, they say, activate opponent's MR.MIME [Lv20], but that won't work either because there are two of them!
23:36:53 <nortti_> zzo38:it uses gecko 1.9.1 (Same as firefox 3.5)
23:38:15 <zzo38> Only one person has correctly solved both puzzles so far.
23:39:27 <Sgeo> How many people have solved at least one?
23:39:57 <zzo38> Sgeo: The same thing... only one person
23:42:30 <Lumpio-> (back) I don't suppose there's any way to use the itemfinder 666
23:43:05 <zzo38> Lumpio-: Do you want a hint?
23:43:37 <Sgeo> zzo38, it's Pokemon puzzles, right?
23:43:38 <zzo38> Yes. But not the first thing you do.
23:43:44 <Lumpio-> (I didn't actually spend that much time thinking, but my memory of the rules is a bit hazy)
23:44:49 <Sgeo> zzo38, I don't know much about Pokemon, sorry
23:45:09 <Lumpio-> I guess you need to somehow get one of your prize cards before your attack
23:45:17 <zzo38> Lumpio-: If you have any questions about the rules, you can ask.
23:45:27 <zzo38> Lumpio-: And can you see any way to do so?
23:45:29 <elliott> fizzie: Did you see the, err, incident earlier, by the way?
23:46:17 <zzo38> Would you like a hint? I have a hint I can provide if requested.
23:47:36 <Sgeo> Where are the puzzles?
23:48:03 <zzo38> Sgeo: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/puzzle.1 and puzzle.2
23:50:10 * Sgeo sends the URLs to someone
23:50:53 <Sgeo> (I'm wondering if she could solve it, although she says it's been a while since doing Pokemon stuff)
23:51:00 <Lumpio-> Does weakness apply to the extra 1 damage that dark mind does?
23:51:27 <zzo38> Lumpio-: No. Weakness and resistance does not apply to damage to bench pokemon cards.