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01:07:59 <pikhq> All hail Hack, the Lord of Ego.
01:11:37 <HackEgo> cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo
01:11:46 <shachaf> @ask Taneb you have to do it
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01:12:36 <Arc_Koen> @tell shachaf aren't you afraid to upset the deity of semantics?
01:19:02 <oerjan> `run echo test | fueue '>,[>,]<[.<]:)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[~~)<~~~(]'
01:19:05 <HackEgo> FUEUE: UNKNOWN > OP \ FUEUE: UNKNOWN , OP \ FUEUE: UNKNOWN > OP \ FUEUE: UNKNOWN , OP \ FUEUE: UNKNOWN . OP \ test \
01:19:51 <oerjan> `run echo test | fueue ')$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[~~)<~~~(]'
01:20:43 <oerjan> `echo echo test | fueue ')$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[~~)<~~~(]'
01:20:44 <HackEgo> echo test | fueue ')$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~
01:20:45 <ais523> ÿ is latin-1 for 255, isn't it?
01:21:00 <oerjan> ais523: quite possibly
01:21:21 <oerjan> ais523: i think that's just EOF from the automatic cat that tends to happen
01:21:37 <ais523> oerjan: yeah, it's probably interpreting EOF as (char)EOF, which is ÿ
01:21:44 <ais523> given reasonable assumptions about how stdio works
01:21:54 <shachaf> Automatic cat? Is that from a sequel to _The Door Into Summer_?
01:22:05 <oerjan> ais523: it's just the result from getc() in C
01:22:11 <ais523> but getc() returns int
01:22:29 <oerjan> shachaf: fueue programs act as cat (but ignoring EOF) whenever they lock up
01:22:42 <shachaf> oerjan: have you read the door into summer
01:23:24 <shachaf> short science fiction book by heinlein
01:25:39 <oerjan> this is going to be dangerously close to irc line limits...
01:27:07 <oerjan> `echo echo test | fueue ')$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[~~)<~~~(][0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][33 H]'
01:27:09 <HackEgo> echo test | fueue ')$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~
01:27:18 <oerjan> `run echo test | fueue ')$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[~~)<~~~(][0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][33 H]'
01:28:07 <oerjan> the program fit, but was buggy :(
01:28:25 <oerjan> ok time for a simpler program first
01:28:30 <ais523> hmm… is HackEgo turning into the new EgoBot?
01:28:50 <oerjan> ais523: well EgoBot doesn't have C precompilation features...
01:29:02 <oerjan> also there's some sort of intention to merge them
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01:29:12 <ais523> I mean, you could actually add these languages to EgoBot the intended way
01:29:55 <oerjan> i would have to either ask Gregor to include them, or have it recompile the interpreter every time
01:30:23 <Gregor> I would request that you try to put new things in HackEgo.
01:30:28 <Gregor> And if they can't work there, then tell me why.
01:31:02 <oerjan> "it" refers to the EgoBot userinterps system
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01:32:02 <oerjan> Gregor: the one thing that is missing is being able to pass a url to an interpreter with one line
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01:34:36 <kmc> http://blog.volema.com/curl-rce.html great
01:34:54 <elliott> the other thing that is missing is reasonable performance
01:35:00 <elliott> right now !c on HackEgo is kind of untenable
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01:35:42 <oerjan> c on HackEgo allows you to compile things for later use
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01:36:33 <oerjan> i wouldn't suggest we use HackEgo _exactly_ the same way as EgoBot when it _does_ have additional flexibility in how to call programs and save results
01:37:25 <elliott> oerjan: your correction is _completely_ wrong.
01:37:42 <elliott> I am responding to Gregor's attempt to get rid of EgoBot and merge it into HackEgo, which is agreeable in theory
01:37:51 <elliott> `interp c printf("foo\n");
01:38:09 <HackEgo> Does not compile. \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: for
01:38:14 <oerjan> well the fact it doesn't actually _work_ is a different problem...
01:38:49 <elliott> it would be much slower than !c even if it worked :P
01:39:45 <oerjan> well i have no idea what it is trying to do. but i've used gcc on HackEgo just fine, that's how i got fueue there.
01:40:48 <kmc> "why does cURL speak POP3" you might ask
01:41:35 <kmc> i think so
01:43:30 <kmc> every application expands until it can read mail
01:43:56 <ais523> kmc: attempts to expand
01:44:04 <ais523> those which cannot are replaced by those which can
01:52:12 <oerjan> `echo test | fueue ')))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]][0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][33 H]'
01:52:13 <HackEgo> test | fueue ')))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]][0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][33 H]'
01:52:17 <oerjan> `run echo test | fueue ')))($[[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]][0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][33 H]'
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02:30:12 <oerjan> ah there is a subtle synchronization error between the implementations of <> and the implementation of ,
02:30:50 <oerjan> or actually it's in , since i already knew about the issue but had compensated for it in other commands
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02:40:19 <oerjan> (that was >,[>,]<[.<] converted from brainfuck to fueue)
02:47:28 <ais523> @message quintopia I just beat space_hotel by over 10 score :) Can you remember when anticipation2 topped the hill (2012, or 2013)? I want to write about it and about omnipotence
02:47:28 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: messages messages?
02:47:33 <ais523> @tell quintopia I just beat space_hotel by over 10 score :) Can you remember when anticipation2 topped the hill (2012, or 2013)? I want to write about it and about omnipotence
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04:32:56 <elliott> oerjan: did you know you are an expert
04:34:55 <elliott> did anything exciting happen while I was trawling the vast expanses of netsplittery
04:35:12 <elliott> other than netsplit analysis
04:35:17 <oerjan> not in the two places i was
04:35:33 <elliott> it was like a simulation of irl post-apocalypse
04:35:42 <elliott> truly I will be able to survive even without the aid of bitcoins
04:36:31 <oerjan> i was split with glogbot and Gracenotes, then changed servers and found what seemed to be the US side of the split, which was pretty large
04:36:41 <elliott> I saw the glogbot/Gracenotes side too
04:36:52 <elliott> OR AS I STARTED REFERRING TO IT DURING THE FAMINE, "SIDE G"
04:37:06 <oerjan> and ais523 must have been somewhere else, then came here
04:37:24 <oerjan> <oerjan> i guess some EU hub got disconnected
04:39:18 <oerjan> (well it was US + 1 singaporean server + 1 australian server)
04:40:28 <oerjan> HOW COULD YOU HEAR IT WHEN I SAID IT HERE
04:40:37 <oerjan> (i guess clog was here too)
04:40:57 <elliott> it's like a little birdy. but. little monqy
04:41:01 <elliott> wait this joke might be inaccurate
04:41:10 <kmc> bill gates has his own URL shortener
04:41:12 <kmc> it's b-gat.es
04:41:23 <elliott> what does probably not mena
04:41:24 <monqy> sometimes im taller than adults and it's scary
04:41:52 <elliott> kmc: wow you're not kidding
04:43:01 <elliott> 19:35:38 <oerjan> USA will stay mainly connected, while europe shatters into fragments
04:43:05 <elliott> this actually happened, irl
04:44:20 <elliott> monqy: im short but i think i grew but i dont think im taller than adults
04:44:40 <kmc> bill gates is p. much the greatest utilitarian who ever lived
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04:49:19 <oerjan> there are real places called Mechanicsburg O_O https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanicsburg,_Ohio
04:49:31 <oerjan> (for girl genius fans)
04:51:26 <oerjan> five of them, all in the us
04:51:39 <oerjan> well according to wikipedia
05:32:51 <quintopia> ais523: it was last month anticipation2 topped the hill iirc. i've been waiting for you to frickin' write it up. and you make me wish i had time to write my even more omniscient program :P
05:32:52 <lambdabot> quintopia: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
05:34:20 <ais523> quintopia: I just decided to try something out, and it did way better than I expected
05:34:31 <ais523> then I changed something and it did even better
05:34:49 <ais523> and then I realized it effectively suicided on tape length 30, and even before then it was beating space_hotel in score/points
05:35:08 <quintopia> i can't wait to see the writeup :)
05:38:03 <oklopol> google.fi is not available but the university webpage is?
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05:38:55 <oklopol> google is not down though, right?
05:40:09 <oklopol> i'm starting to wonder if the sun will rise today.
05:40:28 <ais523> oklopol: if it doesn't, does "today" have meaning?
05:40:29 <kmc> in norway? doubtful
05:41:34 <oerjan> it is quite possible that the google server you are connected to is not very dependent on which domain name you use for it...
05:43:01 <oerjan> fancy when i visit http://www.google.fi/ most of the text is still in norwegian, except for a couple instances of the words "suomi" and "svenska"
05:43:58 <oklopol> oerjan: the google.com is down thing was because i understood "not google.no anyway" as saying google.no doesn't work, because i'm in a very emotional state.
05:45:04 <oerjan> are things other than the internet collapsing around you?
05:46:33 <kmc> google.fi is in finnish for me
05:46:49 <kmc> google is kind of obnoxious about forcing you to use the 'localized' site
05:51:36 <oklopol> who wants to google things for me :(
05:54:33 <quintopia> i wonder how much it would hurt my performance against other programs to raise the size of that first medium decoy... it certainly trounces omniscience
05:55:25 <elliott> quintopia: that's just because omniscience special-cases your decoy setup
05:55:30 <shachaf> kmc: Isn't showing you the localized site by default reasonable?
05:55:40 <shachaf> There's generally a "google.com in English" link at the bottom.
05:55:41 <quintopia> elliott: that's why i decided to make that change to test it
05:56:12 <oklopol> shachaf: google.com is the localized site in english though?
05:56:33 <oklopol> at least you still get very different results than from say US.
05:56:34 <quintopia> i cant imagine it hurting too much. my decoy build used to take two more cycles back when i had it tuned to beat counterpoke
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06:08:49 <ais523> quintopia: yeah, I shamelessly special-cased code against space_hotel because I thought I couldn't beat it otherwise
06:09:41 <ais523> space_hotel is actually not unbeatable with the standard omnipotence strategy, but it requires mindboggingly high amounts of constant tweaking, that leave it helpless against most other programs
06:10:56 <Sgeo> One day I should read a guide to BF Joust strategies
06:11:10 <Sgeo> Or, well, modern thinking, anyway
06:11:28 <Sgeo> Doubt that there would be such a thing as a perfect guide. New strategies etc.
06:11:45 <Sgeo> I'm not expecting time travel to deliver the perfect solution devised in the future
06:11:49 <Sgeo> Is what I mean
06:11:54 <Sgeo> modern as opposed to psychic
06:12:14 <Sgeo> And as opposed to obsolete I guess
06:12:33 <Sgeo> Although I guess some old strategies could make a comeback in an environment unequipped to deal with them
06:12:58 <Sgeo> For some reason I used "psychic" to mean "contains knowledge from the future". I'm not sure why.
06:13:40 <Sgeo> question marks????
06:15:19 <elliott> ais523: we could use a new featured language, btw
06:15:44 <ais523> elliott: I'm writing up BF Joust programs atm
06:15:51 <ais523> but if you pick one, I'll write the blurb for it once I'm done with this
06:16:42 <elliott> Sgeo: how are you enjoying #yfl
06:16:57 <Sgeo> Haven't looked at it in a bit
06:17:24 <Sgeo> ttm did say something that seemed stupid a while ago, but I could have misunderstood what was meant
06:17:31 <Sgeo> At any rate, that conversation is long gone
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06:27:21 <evincar> So I have an abstraction algorithm.
06:27:21 <lambdabot> evincar: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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06:28:11 <evincar> Anyone have resources on optimising combinator expressions?
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06:35:33 <shachaf> 22:30 <lexande> sometimes i am confronted with a problem and i think "I know, I'll use Banach-Tarski"
06:37:43 <ais523> haha, the funny thing is you don't need a follow-up because you can imagine it
06:39:13 <elliott> `addquote <lexande> sometimes i am confronted with a problem and i think "I know, I'll use Banach-Tarski"
06:39:17 <HackEgo> 960) <lexande> sometimes i am confronted with a problem and i think "I know, I'll use Banach-Tarski"
06:41:10 <tswett> q(h)ûl-lyai’svukšei’arpîptó’ks
06:41:21 <tswett> "being hard to believe, after allegedly trying to go back to repeatedly inspiring fear using rag-tag groups of suspicious-looking clowns, despite resistance"
06:47:18 <olsner> some say Ithkuil has several hundred words for repeatedly inspiring fear using rag-tag groups of suspicious-looking clowns
06:50:49 <tswett> This is a cute sentence.
06:50:54 <tswett> "Igrawileiţrar oi eglulôn."
06:51:02 <tswett> "If only the physician wouldn't eat his food in one gulp like that."
07:08:12 <olsner> hmm, ithkuil.net seems to be in the wrong order... I have now read through the descriptions of a hundred unpronouncible sounds (chapter 1) and gotten to a table in chapter 2 where everything is a reference to chapter 5
07:09:04 <monqy> maybe the chapter dependency graph is cyclic
07:09:27 <monqy> i saw your valiant efforts in haskell
07:09:29 <olsner> after this you get to see your first ithkuil words, for example the word for ‘it is/being a representation of the man-made courses/channels of a river that has dried up’
07:09:37 <monqy> the functor efforts
07:10:05 <shachaf> monqy: do you think i did any good
07:10:13 <monqy> depends on how you measure good
07:11:16 <olsner> -l, indicating NORMAL essence, DELIMITIVE extension, MONADIC perspective, UNIPLEX configuration, and CONSOLIDATIVE affiliation
07:11:28 <olsner> (that's part of the explanation of the ithkuil word for tree)
07:13:27 <monqy> what would happen if you tried to teach ithkuil as a first language
07:13:28 <ais523> quintopia: anyone else who cares: http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies#2013
07:13:38 <elliott> monqy: thats child abuse.........
07:14:21 <monqy> elliott: what if you're teaching it to an adult. an adult with no linguistic knowledge.
07:14:42 <oklofok> i heard someone tried to teach klingon as a first language but the kid decided it was stupid at like 7 yo
07:14:43 <monqy> is that what they call them these days
07:15:05 <oklofok> decided it was stupid and stopped speaking it
07:15:53 <olsner> I heard a similar story, I think the primary reason was that no-one else except the kid's father spoke klingon
07:15:57 <evincar> It's okay as a curiosity but I dunno why you'd ever make your kid.
07:16:10 <ais523> elliott: apart from Deadfish, which should be left for April, I think the best candidates were all either written by me or suggested by me
07:16:13 <monqy> what if it's someone else's kid
07:16:22 <ais523> so you'd better pick one (which might not be any of those) to avoid bias
07:16:29 <ais523> also it needs to have a decent article
07:16:46 <evincar> Then you can be the crazy uncle/aunt/park vagrant who teaches them funny words.
07:17:04 <evincar> Vagrants are sexless you see.
07:17:53 <elliott> ais523: we should feature Esme sometime
07:18:03 <elliott> or maybe oklopol's brainfuck derivative whose name I am too lazy to look up right now
07:18:04 <ais523> I guess I could do Kipple
07:18:15 <ais523> elliott: not Esme, best left as an injoke that one
07:18:28 <elliott> IIRC Kipple's article is bad
07:18:40 <monqy> how about featuring the meta turing completeness page
07:18:42 <ais523> Most ever Brainfuckiest Fuck you Brain fucker Fuck is the name of the language
07:18:44 <oklofok> my bf derivative is also a bit dangerous, as no one will get that it's a joke
07:18:53 <elliott> oklofok: that sounds like an advantage
07:18:53 <ais523> I don't think it has a sufficiently complete article, though
07:19:11 <ais523> I agree with oklofok here, really
07:19:11 <elliott> also a few wiki users have seemed to realise that I'm completely irresponsible and would probably frown upon featuring it :(
07:19:12 <oklofok> i should make a reference implementation
07:19:27 <shachaf> > unwords$liftA2(++)inits tails"monqy"
07:19:30 <lambdabot> " m mo mon monq monqy monqy onqy nqy qy y "
07:19:49 <monqy> btw i support featuring Most ever Brainfuckiest Fuck you Brain fucker Fuck
07:19:56 <elliott> ais523: hmm, I want to say Eodermdrome, but I think it'd be a bad idea for you to write the blurb for your own language
07:20:05 <elliott> for two reasons: one, people would suspect bias; and two, it'd be ten pages long
07:20:19 <ais523> nah, I'm reasonably concise in blurb-writing
07:20:22 <ais523> bias is a good point though
07:20:43 <ais523> shachaf: there are some things about which I'm biased
07:20:53 <ais523> I think I have reasonably low bias wrt esolangs, though
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07:21:07 <ais523> (ask elliott about my opinions on Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup some time)
07:21:09 <shachaf> that's just what a biased person would say??
07:21:16 <oklofok> FUUUUUUUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH
07:21:36 <elliott> hope you find out what you needed about that crackpot oklofok
07:21:53 <monqy> shachaf: i too can recommend asking elliott about ais523's opinions on Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup
07:22:08 <evincar> > unwords$((++).inits<*>tails)"monqy"
07:22:10 <elliott> I recommend asking about monqy. hi monqy. i love monqys. they are so easy. and Sgeo should learn Ada
07:22:10 <lambdabot> " m mo mon monq monqy monqy onqy nqy qy y "
07:22:21 <shachaf> elliott: tell me more about ais523's opinions on dungeon Crawl Stone Soup
07:22:28 <monqy> elliott: looks like i won this one
07:22:46 <shachaf> elliott: is the joke that i say those things
07:22:53 <shachaf> except instead of me its you saying them
07:23:17 <elliott> wasn't that the joke all along
07:23:23 <elliott> ais523: Emmental looks like a pretty good candidate
07:23:48 <elliott> ais523: several implementations, unknown computational class, well-formatted article, interesting concept
07:25:04 <monqy> shachaf: no; try harder/???????
07:25:26 <ais523> elliott: yeah, this seems like a good pick
07:25:34 <shachaf> monqy: i love emonodindoisoi!!!!!
07:25:42 <ais523> now I have to learn enough Emmental to be able to write the blurb ;)
07:25:51 <monqy> whoa now you might be trying a little too hard
07:26:16 <shachaf> what if i try harder to not try too hard
07:26:43 <monqy> depends on what you mean by remember
07:27:30 <monqy> i remember sorear "fsvo remember"
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07:30:22 <oklofok> emmental sounds pretty easy
07:32:18 <shachaf> monqy: "which vo" are you talking about
07:32:49 <monqy> the 'v' where ive never come into contact with sorear but ive seen shadows of sorear in lots of places
07:33:46 <ais523> I worked with sorear on TAEB
07:34:37 <monqy> never met sorear in #haskell but i knew he was/is a #haskell member
07:34:58 <monqy> also seen evidence of sorear involved in dcss stuff &c &c
07:35:48 <monqy> i'm not a real big "#haskell guy", past nor present???
07:37:22 <evincar> Dunno, because "guy" and I thought you might be making a subtle joke.
07:37:30 <evincar> Like "well maybe I'll get halfway there someday".
07:38:19 <Sgeo> Or is that the wrong one now
07:38:19 <HackEgo> cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo shachaf
07:38:22 <fungot> Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
07:38:38 <elliott> have to have inter-bot command consistency
07:38:54 <HackEgo> cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo shachaf Sgeo
07:39:22 <Sgeo> Chrome sucks at gifs
07:39:30 <ais523> elliott: OK, [[Emmental]] is featured
07:40:50 <Sgeo> elliott, don't see why it wouldn't, but it takes an argument
07:41:01 <Sgeo> A log file I think
07:41:03 <ais523> shachaf: why'd you do that?
07:41:10 <ais523> elliott: I was about to `revert
07:41:12 <ais523> but you got there first
07:41:24 <shachaf> ais523: It's the usual policy when people make programs in bin/ that beep me.
07:41:35 <shachaf> (Unless there's a reason for them to exist.)
07:41:37 <ais523> shachaf: well it's your fault!
07:41:43 <shachaf> As far as I can tell that program exists purely to be annoying.
07:41:43 <elliott> you shouldn't have used `list then
07:41:46 <ais523> the list in `list is a list of people who've done `list
07:42:02 <shachaf> Can you make it "a list of people who've done it *after* it was introduced"?
07:42:28 <monqy> can i be on the list twice
07:42:34 <HackEgo> cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo shachaf Sgeo monqy
07:42:48 <monqy> nice to have hackego on the list
07:43:17 <fizzie> It's like watching a Wikipedia edit war, except in real time.
07:43:24 <fizzie> (Maybe there should be an `unlist.)
07:43:33 <ais523> fizzie: have you never watched a Wikipedia edit war in realtime?
07:43:44 <elliott> `unlist would have to be a list of everyone who's never used it
07:43:44 <shachaf> `run sed -i s/shachaf// bin/list
07:43:47 <elliott> which would be a bit too long
07:43:54 <elliott> if you're going to remove yourself get it right
07:44:19 <shachaf> Is this a version where I'm not in it?
07:44:27 <ais523> [01:11] <shachaf> ^echo `list
07:44:28 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: shachaf: not found
07:44:28 <ais523> [01:11] <fungot> `list `list
07:44:28 <fungot> ais523: charo*n: when the container is a thousand generations of barbarians. they watched the progress of the ring, by bottomley hopson)
07:44:35 <ais523> shachaf: it /is/ your own fault
07:44:40 <ais523> you made fungot say `list and talked right after
07:44:40 <fungot> ais523: they say that a spear will hit a mail daemon often delivers scrolls of make-edible until it's really necessary!
07:45:05 <ais523> anyway, because you don't want to be there, and monqy wants to be there twice
07:45:12 <ais523> shall we just s/shachaf/monqy/ in the `list?
07:45:23 <shachaf> I don't care what you do as long as I'm not on it.
07:45:24 <ais523> or would that be cheating?
07:45:29 <shachaf> And also don't do the "it's your own fault" thing.
07:45:43 <Sgeo> It should be fixed so that you only get added for a direct `list
07:45:55 <ais523> shachaf: yeah but it's funny
07:45:58 <fizzie> fungot: Do you want to be on the list?
07:45:58 <fungot> fizzie: meat*, huge fangs, staring eyes, that they would treat him, then the quendi wandered in the use of black magic. as they fell through his fingers in a fountain will not easily forget this encounter if he survives it at all.
07:46:18 <elliott> ais523: btw, Emmental isn't yet featured; you need to add a template
07:46:21 <monqy> proof positive for funny????
07:46:26 <ais523> elliott: we have a featured article template?
07:46:28 <ais523> you can add that, then
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07:46:44 <elliott> ais523: that sounds like work :( but okay
07:46:45 <monqy> "finally kicked himself"
07:50:33 <zzo38> Coincidences are spiritual puns. -- G.K. Chesterton [when looking up "coincidence" in FORTUNE]
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08:24:11 <fizzie> I got my first ever SMS spam the other day.
08:25:48 <fizzie> "CONGRATS!!YOUR MOBILE NUMBER HAS WON YOU 2,000,000,00 USD IN THE FREELOTTO MOBILE PROMO.FOR CLAIMS,SEND EMAIL TO:freemobileprize13@live.com & CALL:+447012980187"
08:26:12 <fizzie> Isn't +44 the UK code?
08:27:11 <fizzie> I should call from my work phone, and if someone complains of the resulting bill just say I was trying to save the university two hundred million USD.
08:28:01 <elliott> do you dare take... the Finnish Risk [title card "THE FINNISH RISK" appears, credits roll]
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08:29:32 <fizzie> I don't think I will. Instead, I'll take lunch.
08:29:55 <elliott> Ejection will now begin.........................
08:30:39 <elliott> monqy: Welcome onto television
08:30:52 <monqy> i'll be filling in for shachaf in his absence
08:31:10 <monqy> can you fill in for monqy?
08:31:38 <monqy> this is a bad idea i'm calling it off
08:31:57 <elliott> monqy: YOU"RE BANNED... FROM TELEVISION
08:32:53 <elliott> monqy: Prepare its going to explode in 3, 4, 1.......................................................... you passed the test . Welcome to `The Finnish Risk'
08:33:26 <elliott> theres theme song music going on right now, but you can't hear it
08:33:58 <elliott> I hop eyou feel left ojut monqy
08:34:10 <monqy> i have my own music
08:35:29 <elliott> Itsr not sufficient. Nothing can ever compare to....... `The Finnish Risk' [title screen rolls for the fifth time this episode, theme music starts over but without stopping first so it overlaps with itself]
08:36:19 <monqy> this finish risk thing seems a bit “off„
08:37:05 <elliott> Y'uouve been nominated for award....... are you not ready to take `The Finnish Risk' [more title screen etc.]
08:37:27 <elliott> its essentially a gameshow adaption of the board game `Risk' which i've never played, in finnish
08:37:50 <monqy> i think one time i played risk, maybe? maybe twice half-played it
08:37:53 <monqy> that's probably more right
08:38:19 <elliott> Tat;s ok monqy I can walk you through the game , would you like a tutorial?
08:39:43 <elliott> Your time is up................................. tutorial will now commence
08:39:47 <elliott> Riski ovat perheenjäseniä suomalainen on lähellä varpuslintujen alkaen lautapeli.TV perhe on läheisimmin liittyy amerikkalainen barbets. Ne ovat kirkkaasti merkitty ja ovat suuria, usein värikkäitä laskuja.Perheeseen kuuluu viisi sukujen ja noin neljäkymmentä eri lajia. Nimi tämä lintu ryhmä on johdettu Tupi sanasta tukana kautta kuolemaan naurua.
08:41:00 <elliott> Risk (kreikan ψυχή "psyyke", eli mieli, sielu, henki, sydän tai hengitys ja κίνησις "Kinesis", eli liike, liikkuminen, kirjaimellisesti "mieli-liikkeen"), jota kutsutaan myös telekinesis (Greek τῆλε + κίνησις, kirjaimellisesti "kaukaisilla liikkeen") suhteen tiukasti kuvaavat henkistä liikettä tai liikkeen kiintoaineen, lyhennettynä PK ja TK vastaavasti, on termi kustantajan Henry Holt viitata suoraan vaikuttaa mielen pä
08:41:49 <elliott> Kukaan ei olisi uskonut viime vuosina yhdeksästoista vuosisata, että tämä maailma oli tarkkailun innokkaasti ja tiiviisti älyllisten suurempi kuin miehen ja vielä niin kuolevainen kuin omaa, että miehet askaroineet itse heidän epäkohtia he tutkittiin ja tutkittiin, ehkä lähes yhtä tiukoiksi kuin mies mikroskoopilla voi tutkia ohimenevää olentoja parveilee ja lisääntyä pisara vettä.
08:41:55 <elliott> Ääretön omahyväisyys miehet menivät edestakaisin yli maapallolla heidän pikku asioista, seesteinen niiden varmuus niiden imperiumi yli asiasta. On mahdollista, että infusoria mikroskoopilla tekemään samoin. Kukaan antoi ajatuksen vanhempi avaruuden maailmoissa lähteinä ihmisen vaarassa, tai ajatellut niitä vain hylätä ajatus elämän heille niin mahdotonta tai epätodennäköistä.
08:42:01 <elliott> On mielenkiintoista muistaa joitakin mielenterveyden tottumukset näiden edesmenneen päivinä. Enimmillään maan miehistä haaveillut saattaa olla muita miehiä kun Risk, ehkä huonompi itseään ja valmiita ottamaan vastaan lähetyssaarnaaja yritys.
08:42:05 <elliott> Silti yli lahden tilaa, mielissä jotka ovat mielemme kuin omamme ovat kuin petoja, jotka joutuvat kadotukseen, älynsä laaja ja viileä ja tympeässä, pitää tämän maan kanssa kateellisia silmät ja hitaasti ja varmasti veti suunnitelmansa meitä vastaan. Ja alussa vuosisadan tuli suuri pettymys.
08:44:04 <elliott> Riski on yksi tuntematon ja frightful ilmiöitä, joka pysähtyy evolutiivista kehitystä miehen ja tuo sen täyteen hengellistä (ja usein fyysiseen) kuolema.Kirja ja verkkosivusto "riskin katastrofi" luotu ryhmä ei välinpitämätön tämän teeman ihmisiä.
08:44:08 <elliott> Materiaalit syntyi henkilökohtaista käytännön kokemusta opiskelusta Teeman perustaa on teoria merkittävästä kirjat Blavatskaya EP, Roerichin HI, Roerichin NK, Abramov BN, Uranov N. ja muita nimiä.Tarkoituksena luoda kirjan on välttämätöntä kiinnittää huomiota ihmisiä tämän hirvittävän ilmiön tajuissaan vastatoimia sitä.
08:45:01 <elliott> monqy: Das schließt unsere obligatorischen Tutorial. Ich hoffe, Sie alle haben gelernt, was man über Risiko wissen. Das Spiel kann nun beginnen! Das Spiel der ... "Die finnische Risk"
08:45:43 <elliott> ok i have to stop because i cant stop laughing at "Das Spiel der ... "Die finnische Risk""
08:48:53 <ion> !run printf '%s\n' 'Ääretön omahyväisyys miehet menivät edestakaisin yli maapallolla heidän pikku asioista, seesteinen niiden varmuus niiden imperiumi yli asiasta. On mahdollista, että infusoria mikroskoopilla tekemään samoin.' | hyphenate.fi
08:48:56 <monqy> Mae'r risg y Ffindir yn gêm gwael gyda tiwtorial drwg. Dylech fod yn gywilydd i gymryd rhan yn y Ffindir Risg. Pam fod y Risg Ffindir yn bodoli? Mae'n faich i bawb. Ffyc Risg Ffindir.
08:49:05 <ion> `run printf '%s\n' 'Ääretön omahyväisyys miehet menivät edestakaisin yli maapallolla heidän pikku asioista, seesteinen niiden varmuus niiden imperiumi yli asiasta. On mahdollista, että infusoria mikroskoopilla tekemään samoin.' | hyphenate.fi
08:49:10 <HackEgo> Ää-re-tön o-ma-hy-väi-syys mie-het me-ni-vät e-des-ta-kai-sin y-li maa-pal-lol-la hei-dän pik-ku a-si-ois-ta, sees-tei-nen nii-den var-muus nii-den im-pe-riu-mi y-li a-si-as-ta. On mah-dol-lis-ta, et-tä in-fu-so-ri-a mik-ros-koo-pil-la te-ke-mään sa-moin.
08:50:43 <monqy> Why is the Risk Finland exist? It is a burden to everyone. Fuck Risk Finland.
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09:24:36 <fizzie> `run echo hääyöaie | hyphenate.fi # an oft-mentioned stupid Finnish (compound) word
09:27:57 <ion> hyphenate.fi doesn’t even try to support compound words.
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09:34:40 <fizzie> elliott: "Riski ovat perheenjäseniä suomalainen on lähellä varpuslintujen alkaen lautapeli." ≈ "A risk are family members a Finn is near sparrows starting a board game." (Except less grammatically correct, and sparrows were an approximation -- it's actually the whole order Passeriformes.)
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09:35:51 <elliott> (I took the enwp article for Toucan, replaced a few phrases, and put it through the Googles.)
09:35:58 <elliott> (For the first line, that is.)
09:40:43 <monqy> my googles were 100% original. i needed something to translate to welsh so i trash-talked the finland risk a bit
09:41:11 <elliott> i didnt even translate yours back
09:41:15 <elliott> felt like it would be inauthentic
09:41:19 <elliott> well that's a lie i did most of them
09:41:38 <fizzie> "Ffyc Risg Ffindir" is quite obvious.
09:41:48 <monqy> well i translated the best part of mine back because it was good
09:41:53 <monqy> 00:50:43 <monqy> Why is the Risk Finland exist? It is a burden to everyone. Fuck Risk Finland.
09:50:47 * Sgeo is finally caught up with HPMOR
09:50:53 <Sgeo> Although I think I forgot large portions of it
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15:06:41 <Taneb> Can someone name a film with a school bully in it
15:06:41 <lambdabot> Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
15:07:29 <Taneb> I have to do what, shachaf
15:07:44 <fizzie> I think Bully has a bully in it.
15:07:44 <elliott> sorry shachaf left the channel
15:07:49 <Taneb> elliott: I have discovered that Facekicker Hird was not called Elliott after all
15:07:55 <Taneb> But in fact was called "Elliot"
15:08:09 <elliott> illiteracy befitting of a facekicker
15:08:27 <elliott> fizzie: yo wanna come to birmingham to meet ais523 with Taneb + ph + me
15:08:30 <elliott> you basically live in hexham so
15:09:24 <fizzie> I don't: think so, really. (What, you're having an #esoteric meetup or something?)
15:09:43 <elliott> well it's just Taneb is going to birmingham university this month because he's a fool
15:09:52 <elliott> I figure why not tag along???
15:10:24 <Taneb> I haven't managed to register for that thing yet
15:10:46 <Taneb> The website doesn't like me
15:10:48 <elliott> I bet when me and Taneb meet it'll turn out that he was actually my next door neighbour all along or something
15:11:11 <Taneb> elliott: my next door neighbours are called the Snowdons on one side and the Bradshaws on the other
15:11:16 <Taneb> Neither are called "Hird"
15:12:07 <fizzie> The other day (well, the other week) my wife was annoyed with me because she had a dream where I had gotten us plane tickets into a #esoteric meet somewhere in the middle of Greenland in the winter, without asking her first. Plus she wasn't really interested in a #esoteric meet at all, let alone one in Greenland, let alone one in Greenland in wintertime. (I think it's kind of cold there?)
15:12:56 <fizzie> I suppose arguably Birmingham might be a step up from that.
15:12:56 <elliott> fizzie: OK so how would you and your wife like to come to the Greenland #esoteric meetup I am organising all of a sudden?
15:13:15 <elliott> `addquote <fizzie> The other day (well, the other week) my wife was annoyed with me because she had a dream where I had gotten us plane tickets into a #esoteric meet somewhere in the middle of Greenland in the winter, without asking her first. Plus she wasn't really interested in a #esoteric meet at all, let alone one in Greenland, let alone one in Greenland in wintertime. (I think it's kind of cold there?)
15:13:19 <HackEgo> 961) <fizzie> The other day (well, the other week) my wife was annoyed with me because she had a dream where I had gotten us plane tickets into a #esoteric meet somewhere in the middle of Greenland in the winter, without asking her first. Plus she wasn't really interested in a #esoteric meet at all, let alone one in Greenland, let alone one in Gree
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15:14:26 <fizzie> Taneb: I'm pretty sure "Snowdon" is a type of Pokémon. At least it should be.
15:14:31 <Taneb> `quote 961 | paste
15:14:48 <Taneb> fizzie: it's also the name of my next-door neighbour
15:15:18 <Taneb> I do not believe so
15:15:26 <Taneb> However I have not tested to see
15:15:49 <Taneb> (how would you test if someone is a Pokemon?)
15:15:58 <fizzie> "Molly Hale (Japanese: ミー・スノードン Me Snowdon) is a little girl from the town of Greenfield, the daughter of two researchers. She is a central character in the third Pokémon movie, Spell of the Unown."
15:16:19 <fizzie> Well, what do you know. There are some hits for "Snowdon" and "Pokémon" after all.
15:16:40 <fizzie> Is Mr Snowdon a researcher?
15:16:50 <boily> fizzie: Snowdon is a metro station here.
15:16:58 <Taneb> You might be thinking of Snover
15:17:04 <Taneb> Which evolves into Abomasnow
15:17:22 <fizzie> Taneb: Of course it does.
15:17:54 <fizzie> I have to hurry to a bus now. ->
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15:31:56 <fizzie> It sure is Snowdoning out there these days.
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15:55:42 <cuttlefish> CYUL 081500Z 03018KT 5/8SM R06L/4500FT/U R06R/4500V3000FT/U -SN BLSN VV006 M15/M19 A3031 RMK SN8 SLP267
15:55:49 <boily> still snowing outside.
15:57:58 <elliott> ugh, does HML give up the property about existentials I liked about MLF...
16:00:40 <cuttlefish> EFHK 081550Z 03010KT 3000 -SN FEW008 SCT012 BKN014 M03/M04 Q1013 TEMPO 2500
16:00:57 <fizzie> Sadly, I don't know what it means.
16:03:12 <fizzie> -SN is apparently light snow.
16:04:27 <fizzie> And minus three degrees Celsius.
16:06:12 <boily> report made at 3:50pm UTC today, NE winds at 10 knots, light snow, few clouds at 800', scattered clouds at 1200', broken clouds at 1400', temperature is -3 °C with dew point at -4 °C, air pressure is 101,3 kPa (don't know if sea level or airfield).
16:06:21 <boily> can't remember what TEMPO is.
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16:11:45 <kmc> ~metar KBOS
16:11:51 <cuttlefish> KBOS 081607Z 09020KT 3/4SM R04R/4500V6000FT -SN BR SCT008 OVC013 01/M02 A3024 RMK AO2 CIG 008 E P0000
16:12:06 <fizzie> It's apparently -SN'ing everywhere.
16:12:41 <fizzie> What, that's not the Hexham airport?
16:13:04 <kmc> sadly ICAO codes are systematic, the first letter corresponds mostly to continent
16:13:25 <fizzie> But isn't Hexham a ham(let) on the Hex(agonal) continent?
16:13:27 <kmc> ~metar EGNT
16:13:31 <cuttlefish> EGNT 081550Z 35009KT 9999 FEW038 06/M00 Q1019
16:13:43 <kmc> fizzie: Catan?
16:13:44 <boily> let me guess: newcastle?
16:13:54 <kmc> it's not -SNing in newcastle?
16:14:14 <kmc> hm I'm surprised KBOS isn't up to +SN already
16:14:43 <cuttlefish> KEWR 081551Z 03014KT 5SM -PLRA BR SCT006 OVC010 02/01 A2998 RMK AO2 RAB11SNE11B35E49 SLP153 CIG 009V011 SCT V BKN P0004 T00170006
16:14:55 <boily> it's -PLRAing in Newark.
16:15:16 <fizzie> Light ice pellets and rain.
16:17:03 <cuttlefish> EFKE 081550Z 18001KT 9000 -SHSN OVC013 M14/M15 Q1024
16:17:14 <fizzie> It's -SHSNing in Kemi, apparently.
16:21:18 <kmc> shit-snowing?
16:24:09 <cuttlefish> EGPH 081550Z 26007KT CAVOK 06/00 Q1021
16:24:29 <boily> ceiling and visibility OK.
16:24:35 <boily> the most boring descriptor out there.
16:32:43 <cuttlefish> KLAF 081554Z 32012G21KT 9SM OVC013 M02/M04 A3019 RMK AO2 SLP229 T10171039
16:32:53 <Gregor> Well look at all those strings of letters.
16:33:24 <boily> elliott: sadly, there aren't any airport beginning with Q, because it may cause confusion with Q codes.
16:34:00 <boily> Gregor: a university has an airport?
16:34:21 <Gregor> It also has two Poultry Science buildings.
16:35:18 <HackEgo> 251) <Phantom__Hoover> Gregor, yeah, but Purdue has poultry science facilities beyond the dreams of avarice.
16:35:42 <elliott> @tell oerjan THE HML TYPE SYSTEM IS FUCKING AMAZING WHY DID YOU NEVER TELL ME ABOUT THIS OMG
16:36:19 <Phantom_Hoover> sadly farmingdale apparently has no poultry science buildings
16:36:27 <boily> what amazes me is that elliott searched for that quote with 'avarice'.
16:36:40 <Phantom_Hoover> it did produce this groundbreaking paper though: http://ps.fass.org/content/1/3/89.abstract
16:37:10 <kmc> cool, more remote code exec in Ruby libs due to bad deserialization: http://rack.github.com/
16:37:54 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc don't just link to projects and expect everyone to look at their front page and be 'omg what a bunch of twats!'
16:38:03 <elliott> it has info Phantom_Hoover
16:38:34 <kmc> omg what a bunch of twats
16:38:44 <elliott> phantom hoover, n. what a bunch of twat
16:48:21 <kmc> the actual vuln here is a timeable MAC comparison function
16:48:33 <kmc> but breaking the MAC gives you immediate RCE which is also a questionable design
16:48:48 <kmc> i used to think that kind of thing was okay but... now i do not
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17:08:02 <kmc> @tell shachaf You might like https://twitter.com/hashbreaker/status/299913976282771456
17:25:03 <Phantom_Hoover> fortunately if i use the arrow keys to scroll sideways it kind of works out sanely
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17:29:14 <Phantom_Hoover> http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/jlist-japan-rand.php
17:36:09 * Sgeo now knows what happens when Pidgin thinks that someone logged in in the future
17:45:46 <kmc> don't leave us all in the dark
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17:47:25 <Phantom_Hoover> it is better to remain in the comforting darkness than to brave the terrific light of pidgin's login timestamp logic
17:50:49 <fizzie> I had a thing recently in Skype where it put the discussion in the wrong order by moving my conversation-partner's replies above my questions, apparently because either one of us had a clock skew of a dozen seconds or so.
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18:06:42 <oklopol> i once talked in skype with the computer clock a couple days in the future
18:06:56 <oklopol> had to look at that till the time came.
18:16:22 <Sgeo> It puts the exact date any time
18:16:28 <Sgeo> Rather than the typical "5 seconds ago"
18:16:58 <Sgeo> *date and time
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18:40:33 <HackEgo> 960) <lexande> sometimes i am confronted with a problem and i think "I know, I'll use Banach-Tarski"
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18:41:13 <HackEgo> "Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski".
18:42:40 <DHeadshot> I assume that's a maths joke that's just gone straight over my head...
18:44:05 <Phantom_Hoover> DHeadshot, the banach-tarski theorem states that you can cut a sphere into a finite number of pieces and reassemble them into two spheres of the same size
18:44:29 <Sgeo> 5 pieces, right?
18:44:36 * Sgeo has learned stuff from IWC
18:44:48 <Sgeo> ....wait, IWC? irregular webcomic? what
18:45:07 <Sgeo> oh, irregular WebComic, I presume
18:45:41 <DHeadshot> Haven't read that for a few years...
18:45:49 <olsner> lexande's is my favorite rendering of the banach-tarski pun yet
18:46:53 <Phantom_Hoover> Sgeo, did you just have a brief discussion with yourself over what iwc is
18:47:23 <Sgeo> I was confused as to why the abbreviation of Irregular Webcomic was IWC
18:47:59 <Taneb> http://brownsharpie.courtneygibbons.org/wp-content/comics/2006-12-11-bananach-tarski.jpg.pagespeed.ce.OBBgFNJ8Y3.jpg
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18:56:29 <oklopol> do you ever get the feeling that your life is just taking one converging subsequence after another
18:59:03 <cuttlefish> CYUL 081800Z 04022G29KT 5/8SM R06L/3500FT/N R06R/4000FT/N -SN BLSN VV006 M13/M16 A3022 RESN RMK SN8 /S07/ SLP238
18:59:26 <boily> still -SNing, with additional BLSN. yeeeeah.... :-/
19:20:44 <kmc> ~metar KBOS
19:20:44 <cuttlefish> KBOS 081854Z 07024G31KT 1/2SM R04R/3500V4500FT SN FG VV008 00/M01 A3011 RMK AO2 PK WND 08031/1846 TWR VIS 3/4 PRESFR SLP193 P0001 T00001011
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19:21:04 <kmc> snow, fog, 8 vuvuzelas
19:21:15 <kmc> i wonder when we'll hit +SN
19:24:57 <boily> kmc: our vertical visibility is still worse than yours :p
19:25:19 <cuttlefish> CYUL 081900Z 03023G28KT 3/4SM R06L/4000FT/U R06R/4000FT/U -SN BLSN VV008 M12/M15 A3019 RMK SN8 SLP226
19:25:29 <boily> ah. no. it changed.
19:26:20 <olsner> "vertical visibility", is that a euphemism for vuvuzelas?
19:26:23 <cuttlefish> EGPH 081920Z 24005KT 9999 -RA SCT042 04/02 Q1021
19:28:25 <cuttlefish> ESSL 081920Z 36012KT 8000 -SN BKN011 M04/M05 Q1014
19:29:12 <olsner> ... whatever that means
19:30:23 <boily> moderate north wind, 8 km ground visibility, light snow, broken clouds at 1100', -4 °C with dewpoint at -5 °C (quite humid), 101,4 kPa sea level pressure.
19:30:41 <boily> and it means you have an interest into Linköping.
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19:32:57 <Sgeo> http://www.reddit.com/r/ruby/comments/184ymb/major_rack_vulnerability_need_to_update_your_rack/
19:34:17 <kmc> timeable MAC comparison function = badness
19:34:24 <kmc> remote code exec is really just the cherry on the shit sundae here
19:34:35 <olsner> ruby vulnerabilities! how surprising!
19:34:50 <kmc> let's all switch back to PHP
19:34:52 * Sgeo is not smart enough to write code not vulnerable to timing issues, I think
19:35:06 <kmc> Sgeo: basically nobody is
19:35:16 <kmc> you have to work against your entire stack (compiler, CPU cache, etc)
19:35:30 <kmc> all of which aim to make things faster by making them not constant time
19:36:30 <Sgeo> Maybe a language that makes writing such code easier? Compiler would co-operate, know some tricks to deal with hardware, etc
19:36:53 <kmc> this would help
19:37:48 <kmc> "Saddest thing about this is, @codahale reported this 3 years ago, and I even responded then, but I was too dumb to get it, and not running releases (probably good). Anyway, I was wrong then, and we were wrong not to deal with it."
19:38:25 <kmc> good thing all these timing attacks are only viable if you're in the same datacenter... oh wait
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20:04:38 <Taneb> Tempted to redefine Numberwang to be a complete joke language
20:05:59 <monqy> a third numberwang??
20:06:29 <Taneb> My Numberwang was the second Numberwang, wasn't it
20:08:07 <kmc> the number that can be wanged is not the true numberwang
20:08:37 <Taneb> I may also distribute a closed source implementation
20:08:47 <Taneb> And call it the reference implementation
20:09:23 <monqy> a third numberwang would make sense. wangernumb also makes sense.
20:12:15 <Taneb> import Acme.Numberwang {- thanks kmc -}; main = do {xs <- fmap (map (numberwang . read) . words) getContents; interpretAsSomeLanguage xs}
20:12:43 <kmc> that's numberwang!
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20:12:57 <Taneb> !numberwang banana
20:12:58 <EgoBot> I'm sorry, but Brazil isn't a vegetable!
20:13:02 <kmc> !numberwang eleventeen
20:13:02 <EgoBot> I'm sorry, but Brazil isn't a vegetable!
20:13:12 <kmc> !numberwang twelfington
20:13:12 <EgoBot> I'm sorry, but Brazil isn't a vegetable!
20:13:25 <kmc> !numberwang 0.99999999
20:13:32 <Taneb> getContents >>= interpretAsSomeLangauge . map (numberwang . read) . words
20:13:33 <kmc> !numberwang NaN
20:13:34 <EgoBot> I'm sorry, but Brazil isn't a vegetable!
20:13:34 <EgoBot> I'm sorry, but Brazil isn't a vegetable!
20:14:34 <Taneb> Because they didn't let me choose like with Glass and Malbolge
20:14:56 <monqy> something about bias
20:15:09 <monqy> and overcorrecting??
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20:43:59 <lambdabot> elliott said 4h 8m 17s ago: THE HML TYPE SYSTEM IS FUCKING AMAZING WHY DID YOU NEVER TELL ME ABOUT THIS OMG
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20:51:34 <Taneb> Haskell mit der Luftwaffe
20:54:45 * oerjan assumes hebrew ML has strict gender distinction in the types
20:55:43 <boily> html for stuff other than text?
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21:59:16 <oerjan> <Phantom_Hoover> why not eodermdrome <-- because ais523 didn't want to write the blurb for his own language
22:01:23 <Sgeo> I still like Mascarpone's "reify/deify" pun
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22:04:45 <Sgeo> About Eodermdrome
22:05:17 <Sgeo> In a command, if there's no input and no output set, how does one distinguish between the string for the match subgraph and the string for the reaplacement subgraph?
22:07:17 <Phantom_Hoover> Sgeo, the subgraph strings have nothing to do with the input/output strings...
22:07:39 <Sgeo> Oh, the parts of the commands themselves are separated by whitespace
22:08:00 <Sgeo> So a b c d is two commands, a b and c d
22:11:37 <Sgeo> Hmm. It should be possible to implement, say, a Lisp in Mascarpone, right?
22:12:03 * oerjan is still annoyed by whoever replaced his carefully crafted ASCII graph without crossing edges with a picture with crossing edges, even if it's prettier graphics
22:12:47 <Taneb> The picture suggests it's a directed graph, too
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22:18:29 <Sgeo> Occurs to me that it would probably be more sensible to define a Forth or Factor like language on top of Mascarpone
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22:41:14 <Sgeo> o.O Haxe has macros
22:41:20 <Sgeo> The language now has my attention.
22:41:40 <Sgeo> (Before, pretty much dismissed it as a boring language that people like only because it compiles to a bunch of stuff)
22:41:50 <Sgeo> Still quite inclined to keep doing that
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22:49:39 <Sgeo> `welcome Zerker
22:49:42 <HackEgo> Zerker: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
22:49:45 <oerjan> ^bf ++++ ++++ ++++ ++++[>+++++<-]>[<+++++>-]+<+[ >[>+>+<<-]++>>[<<+>>-]>>>[-]++>[-]+ >>>+[[-]++++++>>>]<<<[[<++++++++<++>>-]+<.<[>----<-]<] <<[>>>>>[>>>[-]+++++++++<[>-<-]+++++++++>[-[<->-]+[<<<]]<[>+<-]>]<<-]<<- ]
22:49:46 <fungot> 0.1.4.9.16.25.36.49.64.81.100.121.144.169.196.225.256.289.324.361.400.441.484.529.576.625.676.729.784.841.900.961.1024.1089.1156.1225.1296.1369.1444.1521.1600.1681.1764.1849.1936.2025.2116.2209.2304.2401.250 ...
22:50:06 <oerjan> !bf8 ++++ ++++ ++++ ++++[>+++++<-]>[<+++++>-]+<+[ >[>+>+<<-]++>>[<<+>>-]>>>[-]++>[-]+ >>>+[[-]++++++>>>]<<<[[<++++++++<++>>-]+<.<[>----<-]<] <<[>>>>>[>>>[-]+++++++++<[>-<-]+++++++++>[-[<->-]+[<<<]]<[>+<-]>]<<-]<<- ]
22:50:07 <EgoBot> 0 \ 1 \ 4 \ 9 \ 16 \ 25 \ 36 \ 49 \ 64 \ 81 \ 100 \ 121 \ 144 \ 169 \ 196 \ 225 \ 256 \ 289 \ 324 \ 361 \ 400 \ 441 \ 484 \ 529 \ 576 \ 625 \ 676 \ 729 \ 784 \ 841 \ 900 \ 961 \ 1024 \ 1089 \ 1156 \ 1225 \ 1296 \ 1369 \ 1444 \ 1521 \ 1600 \ 1681 \ 1764 \ 1849 \ 1936 \ 2025 \ 2116 \ 2209 \ 2304 \ 2401 \ 2500 \ 2601 \ 2704 \ 2809 \ 2916 \ 3025 \ 3136 \ 3249 \ 3364 \ 3481 \ 3600 \ 3721 \ 3844 \ 3969 \ 4096 \ 4225 \ 4356
22:50:15 <oerjan> !bf16 ++++ ++++ ++++ ++++[>+++++<-]>[<+++++>-]+<+[ >[>+>+<<-]++>>[<<+>>-]>>>[-]++>[-]+ >>>+[[-]++++++>>>]<<<[[<++++++++<++>>-]+<.<[>----<-]<] <<[>>>>>[>>>[-]+++++++++<[>-<-]+++++++++>[-[<->-]+[<<<]]<[>+<-]>]<<-]<<- ]
22:50:16 <Sgeo> [<<<]? unbalanced? That unnerves me for some reason
22:50:17 <EgoBot> 0 \ 1 \ 4 \ 9 \ 16 \ 25 \ 36 \ 49 \ 64 \ 81 \ 100 \ 121 \ 144 \ 169 \ 196 \ 225 \ 256 \ 289 \ 324 \ 361 \ 400 \ 441 \ 484 \ 529 \ 576 \ 625 \ 676 \ 729 \ 784 \ 841 \ 900 \ 961 \ 1024 \ 1089 \ 1156 \ 1225 \ 1296 \ 1369 \ 1444 \ 1521 \ 1600 \ 1681 \ 1764 \ 1849 \ 1936 \ 2025 \ 2116 \ 2209 \ 2304 \ 2401 \ 2500 \ 2601 \ 2704 \ 2809 \ 2916 \ 3025 \ 3136 \ 3249 \ 3364 \ 3481 \ 3600 \ 3721 \ 3844 \ 3969 \ 4096 \ 4225 \ 4356
22:50:26 <Sgeo> Then again, I'm not much of a BF progtrammer
22:50:31 <oerjan> !bf32 ++++ ++++ ++++ ++++[>+++++<-]>[<+++++>-]+<+[ >[>+>+<<-]++>>[<<+>>-]>>>[-]++>[-]+ >>>+[[-]++++++>>>]<<<[[<++++++++<++>>-]+<.<[>----<-]<] <<[>>>>>[>>>[-]+++++++++<[>-<-]+++++++++>[-[<->-]+[<<<]]<[>+<-]>]<<-]<<- ]
22:50:32 <EgoBot> 0 \ 1 \ 4 \ 9 \ 16 \ 25 \ 36 \ 49 \ 64 \ 81 \ 100 \ 121 \ 144 \ 169 \ 196 \ 225 \ 256 \ 289 \ 324 \ 361 \ 400 \ 441 \ 484 \ 529 \ 576 \ 625 \ 676 \ 729 \ 784 \ 841 \ 900 \ 961 \ 1024 \ 1089 \ 1156 \ 1225 \ 1296 \ 1369 \ 1444 \ 1521 \ 1600 \ 1681 \ 1764 \ 1849 \ 1936 \ 2025 \ 2116 \ 2209 \ 2304 \ 2401 \ 2500 \ 2601 \ 2704 \ 2809 \ 2916 \ 3025 \ 3136 \ 3249 \ 3364 \ 3481 \ 3600 \ 3721 \ 3844 \ 3969 \ 4096 \ 4225 \ 4356
22:51:07 <oerjan> hm no difference according to cell size. maybe unbounded would break.
22:52:32 <EgoBot> help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
22:52:36 <EgoBot> languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh.
22:53:28 <kmc> haskell is esoteric but cxx isn't? c'mon people
22:54:06 <oerjan> Gregor is probably making a statement
22:54:22 <kmc> i should make an esolang named "Haskell" which has all the features that uninformed people think Haskell has
22:55:35 <kmc> monads used for everything, they are all one-way
22:55:41 <kmc> automatic memoization of functions
22:56:29 <olsner> monads? you mean burritos and space suits!
22:56:37 <kmc> om nom nom
22:57:46 <olsner> speaking of monads, is there an operator with the same type as id somewhere?
22:57:59 <fizzie> bfjoust is competitive but Haskell isn't? c'mon.
22:58:38 <olsner> id can be $ but it seems the opposite is not true, for some unfathomable reason
23:00:18 <oerjan> Sgeo: it's pretty hard to make a program which handles unbounded numbers in bounded cells without using unbalanced loops.
23:00:32 <oerjan> *in a bounded cell implementation
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23:01:53 <oerjan> $ requires at least two arguments, yes
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23:02:45 <oerjan> (that's not my program btw, it was mentioned on the wiki)
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