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00:09:10 <fizzie> oerjan: Someone just added a new entry in your learndb?
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00:27:42 <oerjan> `fueue ):[)~~[~:~~~)<[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$$6-%0]][~~~)*[)~(:+~~-)+1]---256%):]~]][)~~[[)~[)[H]]][85 110 109 97 116 99 104 101 100 32 91 46H]~)~~~][]!]!][[~)])[))$12~[:]<<$4~~~<[)$--1[$8~)$4<[)$$6-%0[)]]<]~)~:~]~[!~)~~[)[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]]<<[1)]]~[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$$7--1]][~~~)%[~~)~:(+-)(~)+-1*256]+-~)255:]~[[0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][48 33H])~!]]][~)~~!]
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00:34:27 <oerjan> oh wait the iffalse case is supposed to delete the iftrue one
00:36:41 <oerjan> `run echo testing | fueue '):[)~~[~:~~~)<[~~~~<)[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][]]~]][)~~[~:~~~)<[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$$7--1]][~~~)%[~~)~:(+-)(~)+-1*256]+-~)255:]~]][)~~[~:~~~)<[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$%0]][):]~]][)~~[[)~[)[H]]~!][85 110 109 97 116 99 104 101 100 32 91 46H]~)~~~][]!]!]!]!][[0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][48 33H])~!][~)] '
00:37:59 <fungot> 85 110 109 97 116 99 104 101 100 32 93 46
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00:43:11 <lambdabot> mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character)
00:46:39 <oerjan> `fueue ):[)~~[~:~~~)<[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$$7--1]][~~~)%[~~)~:(+-)(~)+-1*256]+-~)255:]~]][)~~[[85 110 109 97 116 99 104 101 100 32 93 46H][)~[))$11~<<~:(~:<]~!]~)~~~][)~~[[)~[)[H]]~!][85 110 109 97 116 99 104 101 100 32 91 46H]~)~~~][]!]!]!][[0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][48 33H])~!][~)]
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01:00:13 <HackEgo> 109) <oerjan> alise: mainly it's the fact it blows so hard i cannot avoid hitting the walls of the thing, which completely goes against my basic public toilet hygiene principles \ 95) <oerjan> insufficient time dilation. try running faster. \ 16) <fungot> oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler!
01:00:40 <shachaf> fungot: did you really say that
01:00:40 <fungot> shachaf: anu: anu was the most recent indian edifices.... the leucrocotta, a large and heavy and quiet boy, and there were many stones lying in what appeared to be a previously used crested helmet.
01:00:49 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
01:01:01 <fungot> Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
01:01:05 <fungot> shachaf: realise elinks w3m.) in our system
01:01:17 <shachaf> fungot: riddle me a riddle
01:01:18 <fungot> shachaf: if you're going to have a junk cons at the base for the eso os, i agreed to that contract, i leave.
01:04:10 <oerjan> `run echo now | fueue '):[)~~[~:~~~)<[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$%0]][):]~]][)~~[[50 33H][)~[))$11~<<~:(~:<]~!]~)~~~][)~~[[)~[)[H]]~!][49 33H]~)~~~][51H]!]!]!][[~)])[))$12~[:]<<$4~~~<[)$--1[$8~)$4<[)$$6-%0[)]]<]~)~:~]~[!~)~~[)[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]]<<[1)]]~[~~~~<)[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][]]~[[0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][50 33H])~!]]][~)~~!] '
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01:44:20 <ais523> <FreeFull> Can you supply a non-planar graph to eodermdrone? ← at one point I considered making that a way to exit
01:44:34 <ais523> btw, "eodermdrome" is the shortest "word" that produces one
01:44:48 <ais523> (it's not actually a word)
01:44:59 <ais523> it's not mine, it was taken from the book Making The Alphabet Dance
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02:27:30 <oerjan> `run echo stupid bug | fueue '):[)~~[~:~~~)<[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$%0]][):]~]][)~~[[50 33H][)~[))$11~<<~:(~:<]]~)~~~][)~~[[)~[)[H]]~!][49 33H]~)~~~][51H]!]!]!][[~)])[))$12~[:]<<$4~~~<[)$--1[$8~)$4<[)$$6-%0[)]]<]~)~:~]~[!~)~~[)[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]]<<[1)]]~[~~~~<)[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][]]~[[0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][50 33H])~!]]][~)~~!] '
02:27:32 <HackEgo> ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
02:28:18 <kmc> shachaf: do you know about /proc/self/pagemap ?
02:28:51 <oerjan> first i fixed a bug above because the iffalse case needed to delete the iftrue one, then now i had to fix that the iftrue tried to delete the iffalse case.
02:29:22 <kmc> it gives you various fun info: http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/vm/pagemap.txt
02:29:26 <ais523> shachaf: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fueue
02:29:40 <ais523> why don't you just try searching esolangs.org when someone mentions something that might be an esolang
02:29:50 <kmc> in particular you can get the physical page frame number for every page you've mapped
02:30:04 <shachaf> ais523: Because searching Google works just as well and is more general.
02:30:18 <ais523> being more general is /bad/ in this case
02:30:28 <ais523> you're trying to look for something in particular, not other things with the same name
02:30:33 <lambdabot> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Underload
02:30:33 <lambdabot> Title: Underload - definition of Underload by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and ...
02:30:38 <lambdabot> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload
02:30:53 <ais523> now you're doing more typing than you need to
02:31:12 <ais523> quite a lot more, actually, because it'd take me a while to switch to a Google or DuckDuckGo search box rather than an Esolang search box
02:31:16 <shachaf> That's less typing than typing esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=fueue
02:31:18 <ais523> (seems my browser's currently set to wikipedia)
02:31:56 <monqy> @google Most ever Brainfuckiest Fuck you Brain fucker Fuck
02:31:58 <lambdabot> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Most_ever_Brainfuckiest_Fuck_you_Brain_fucker_Fuck
02:31:58 <lambdabot> Title: Most ever Brainfuckiest Fuck you Brain fucker Fuck - Esolang
02:32:12 <ais523> it can't be a very common phrase
02:32:26 <ais523> hmm, I wonder how many esolangs don't score first in a google search
02:32:30 <lambdabot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlambda
02:32:30 <lambdabot> Title: Unlambda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
02:33:02 <lambdabot> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wierd
02:33:06 <oerjan> hey _i_ managed to get an esolang search box, and i'm using IE!
02:34:36 <lambdabot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge
02:34:36 <lambdabot> Title: Malbolge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
02:34:45 <ais523> you'd expect that to go to the esolang because it uses an unusual spelling
02:34:49 <oerjan> now _that_ was unexpected
02:35:01 <lambdabot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle
02:35:01 <lambdabot> Title: Cattle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
02:35:10 <lambdabot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copy-on-write
02:35:10 <lambdabot> Title: Copy-on-write - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
02:35:25 <shachaf> There should be a feature where you get a cow when you write.
02:35:53 <FreeFull> You'd either have a lot of cows or not write a lot
02:35:54 <kmc> kernel patch where instead of mmap() pages containing all zeroes, they contain cowsay
02:36:19 <FreeFull> Maybe you just get the same cow over and over
02:36:39 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cowsay: not found
02:36:41 <kmc> you get the same cow until you write to it
02:37:00 <shachaf> Hmm, that would be cow *before* write.
02:37:29 * shachaf should write that strace-for-mmapped-pages program sometime.
02:41:28 <kmc> now i want to write some kind of excessively pretty interactive javascript visualizer of all the pages mapped by processes on your system and the sharing beteen them
02:42:39 <ais523> kmc: it'd probably look boring
02:42:56 <ais523> also, don't programs normally rely on mmaped pages being zeroed out?
02:44:07 <shachaf> If they just mmap a new private page for themselves, sure.
02:44:14 <shachaf> Typically sharing pages is on purpose.
02:47:39 <kmc> yeah they do rely on that, so the cow thing would break a lot of stuff
02:48:00 <shachaf> Oh, you meant the cow thing.
02:48:07 <kmc> the visualization would basically cluster programs by what libraries they use
02:48:21 <kmc> and would group instances of the same binary of course
02:48:38 <kmc> so maybe it's not totally boring, but maybe it's not that interesting to do it at page granularity instead of just looking at ldd and such
02:52:14 <oerjan> `run echo comment | run fueue '):[)~~[~:~~~)<[~~~~<)[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][]]~]][)~~[~:)~][)~~[~:~~~)<[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$%0]][):]~]][)~~[[)~[)[H]]~!][49 33H]~)~~~][51H]!]!]!]!][[0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][50 33H])~!][~)] '
02:52:16 <HackEgo> bash: run: command not found
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02:53:02 <oerjan> only [ left in this phase...
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04:04:33 <shachaf> f :: forall a b c. ((a -> b) & (b -> c)) -> a -> c
04:04:57 <shachaf> <elliott> I don't know the exact name for it... what's important to realise it that it types every untyped lambda calculus term, IIRC.
04:05:34 <oerjan> i'm not sure i recall the exact name either
04:05:58 <shachaf> well can you tell me things about it
04:06:52 <oerjan> well it has disjunction types, as above, and also a type omega which types everything.
04:07:54 <oerjan> so being typeable in itself isn't very interesting, but if you restrict _where_ omega can appear in the types, you can type precisely those lambda terms which have weakly normal forms. also typing is preserved by beta reduction - _both_ ways.
04:08:21 <shachaf> Right, that was my original question.
04:08:23 <oerjan> and terms which have _strongly_ normal forms have types that don't contain omega, iirc.
04:08:39 <oerjan> and in fact principal such.
04:09:34 <oerjan> the above type is, i believe, the principal type for church numeral 2.
04:11:32 <oerjan> and also iirc the only terms which can share that principal type are beta-eta-equivalent to the normal form
04:12:18 <oerjan> that part is a bit vaguer
04:12:55 <oerjan> lessee, \x -> x has type a -> a, naturally
04:13:35 <oerjan> \x y -> x y has type (a -> b) -> a -> b, which is a substitution of the former
04:14:10 <oerjan> so \x -> x also has that type, but not principally, which means \x y -> x y must beta-eta-reduce to \x -> x. i think.
04:14:46 <oerjan> ((a -> b) & a) -> b, i assume
04:15:11 <oerjan> there was an algorithm for finding the type, but i've forgotten that
04:15:44 <oerjan> it may have been in the "famous" book by barendregt: "lambda calculus, it's syntax and semantics"
04:16:59 <shachaf> Lambda Calculus: What is it? It's Syntax and Semantics!
04:18:37 <oerjan> hm looking at an online version, i have doubts.
04:19:37 <oerjan> it doesn't cover types until the appendix. must be another book.
04:29:42 <oerjan> it may be called intersection types, not disjunction types
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04:32:36 <oerjan> shachaf: his book "Lambda calculus with types" mentions intersection types on page 449 and onwards, although i don't think it's the book i remember
04:34:40 <oerjan> oh wtf it's not my job to do a literature search for this.
04:35:08 <shachaf> The name "interesection types" is helpful, thanks!
04:36:19 <kmc> i read it as "intercession types"
04:36:41 <oerjan> as expected, the [ case seems to have the most awkward queue shuffling
04:37:22 <oerjan> i need to convert [pcont][reader][loopflag] into ):[reader][[loopflag])[))$12~[:]<<$4~~~<[)$--1[$8~)$4<[)$$6-%0[)]]<]~)~:~]~[!~)~~[)[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]]<<[1)]]~[pcont]][loopflag true]
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05:38:13 <oerjan> `run yes|fueue '):[)~~[~:~~~)<[~~~~<)[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][]]~]][)~~[)~~[)~<[<<<~(~~~<)~][)[))$12~[:]<<$4~~~<[)$--1[$8~)$4<[)$$6-%0[)]]<]~)~:~]~[!~)~~[)[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]]<<[1)]])(~~)~]~~]<~[[~)~~!]):]][)~~[~:~~~)<[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$%0]][):]~]][)~~[[85 110 109 97 116 99 104 101 100 32 93 46H][)~[))$11~<<~:(~:<]]~)~~~][)~~[[)~[)[H]]~!][49 33H]~)~~~][51H]!]!]!]!][[0]:[[
05:38:14 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
05:40:00 <oerjan> oh hm duh there's a long message
05:40:32 <oerjan> `run yes|fueue '):[)~~[~:~~~)<[~~~~<)[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][]]~]][)~~[)~~[)~<[<<<~(~~~<)~][)[))$12~[:]<<$4~~~<[)$--1[$8~)$4<[)$$6-%0[)]]<]~)~:~]~[!~)~~[)[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]]<<[1)]])(~~)~]~~]<~[[~)~~!]):]][)~~[~:~~~)<[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$%0]][):]~]][)~~[[48 33H][)~[))$11~<<~:(~:<]]~)~~~][)~~[[)~[)[H]]~!][49 33H]~)~~~][51H]!]!]!]!][[0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][50 33H])~!][~)]'
05:41:02 <HackEgo> bash: line 1: 279 Broken pipe yes \ 280 Killed | fueue '):[)~~[~:~~~)<[~~~~<)[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][]]~]][)~~[)~~[)~<[<<<~(~~~<)~][)[))$12~[:]<<$4~~~<[)$--1[$8~)$4<[)$$6-%0[)]]<]~)~:~]~[!~)~~[)[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]]<<[1)]])(~~)~]~~]<~[
05:41:23 <oerjan> `run echo ya|fueue '):[)~~[~:~~~)<[~~~~<)[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][]]~]][)~~[)~~[)~<[<<<~(~~~<)~][)[))$12~[:]<<$4~~~<[)$--1[$8~)$4<[)$$6-%0[)]]<]~)~:~]~[!~)~~[)[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]]<<[1)]])(~~)~]~~]<~[[~)~~!]):]][)~~[~:~~~)<[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$%0]][):]~]][)~~[[48 33H][)~[))$11~<<~:(~:<]]~)~~~][)~~[[)~[)[H]]~!][49 33H]~)~~~][51H]!]!]!]!][[0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][50 33H])~!][~)]'
05:41:52 <HackEgo> bash: line 1: 279 Done echo ya \ 280 Killed | fueue '):[)~~[~:~~~)<[~~~~<)[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][]]~]][)~~[)~~[)~<[<<<~(~~~<)~][)[))$12~[:]<<$4~~~<[)$--1[$8~)$4<[)$$6-%0[)]]<]~)~:~]~[!~)~~[)[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]]<<[1)]])(~~)~]~~
05:42:00 <oerjan> something tells me that's not good
05:45:35 <oerjan> oh duh it's a missing bracket
05:45:59 <oerjan> and the interpreter hangs up instead of giving an error
05:46:58 <oerjan> `run echo ya|fueue '):[)~~[~:~~~)<[~~~~<)[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][]]~]][)~~[)~~[)~<[<<<~(~~~<)~][)[))$12~[:]<<$4~~~<[)$--1[$8~)$4<[)$$6-%0[)]]<]~)~:~]~[!~)~~[)[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]]<<[1)]])(~~)~]~~]<~[[~)~~!]):]][)~~[~:~~~)<[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$%0]][):]~]][)~~[[48 33H][)~[))$11~<<~:(~:<]]~)~~~][)~~[[)~[)[H]]~!][49 33H]~)~~~][51H]!]!]!]!]!][[0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][50 33H])~!][~)] '
05:47:00 <HackEgo> yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
05:49:33 <monqy> not quite `yes` yet
05:49:52 <oerjan> that was actually just ,[.] in brainfuck
05:50:00 <HackEgo> monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy \ monqy
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06:11:29 <HackEgo> / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \
06:30:24 <HackEgo> The friendship monqy is an ancient Chinese mystery; ask itidus21 for details.
06:30:37 <HackEgo> not lately; try `seen itidus21 ever
06:30:47 <HackEgo> not lately; try `seen itidus21 ever
06:30:54 <HackEgo> 2012-10-13 12:14:44: <itidus21> the odd thing was me re-posting the topic with the linebreaks based on the width of my xchat window
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06:44:11 <oerjan> `run echo why is this working | fueue ')[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$%0]][):]~[~~~~<)[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][]]~[[49 33H])[))$12~[:]<<$4~~~<[)$--1[$8~)$4<[)$$6-%0[)]]<]~)~:~]~[!~)~~[)[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]]<<[1)]]~[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$$7--1]][~~~)%[~~)~:(+-)(~)+-1*256]+-~)255:]~[[0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][50 33H])~!]]]]][))$11~<<~:(~:<][)[[48 33H])~[)[H]]~~!]!]'
06:45:14 <oerjan> `run echo and this | fueue ')$--%0[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[))(($3~)<(][0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][3
06:45:15 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
06:45:53 <oerjan> `run echo now | fueue ')$--%0[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[))(($3~)<(][0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][33H]'
06:46:16 <oerjan> i just convinced myself , should break on NUL's...
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06:52:41 <oerjan> `echo hm | fueue )))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)[):[)$$7--1[)$3~[)$~!~~%~)]$2<[):]~:]~)~~[)~~~[~)~$7~~:~~([$3~)+[~~~<~()+48]~~~-)~10*)]/]--10):]]~[)[H]]~:]][33]
06:52:42 <HackEgo> hm | fueue )))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)[):[)$$7--1[)$3~[)$~!~~%~)]$2<[):]~:]~)~~[)~~~[~)~$7~~:~~([$3~)+[~~~<~()+48]~~~-)~10*)]/]--10):]]~[)[H]]~:]][33]
06:52:47 <oerjan> `run echo hm | fueue )))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)[):[)$$7--1[)$3~[)$~!~~%~)]$2<[):]~:]~)~~[)~~~[~)~$7~~:~~([$3~)+[~~~<~()+48]~~~-)~10*)]/]--10):]]~[)[H]]~:]][33]
06:52:48 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `)' \ bash: -c: line 0: `echo hm | fueue )))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)[):[)$$7--1[)$3~[)$~!~~%~)]$2<[):]~:]~)~~[)~~~[~)~$7~~:~~([$3~)+[~~~<~()+48]~~~-)~10*)]/]--10):]]~[)[H]]~:]][33] '
06:52:58 <oerjan> `run echo hm | fueue ')))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)[):[)$$7--1[)$3~[)$~!~~%~)]$2<[):]~:]~)~~[)~~~[~)~$7~~:~~([$3~)+[~~~<~()+48]~~~-)~10*)]/]--10):]]~[)[H]]~:]][33] '
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06:57:15 <oerjan> `fueue )[):[)$$7--1[)$3~[)$~!~~%~)]$2<[):]~:]~)~~[)~~~[~)~$7~~:~~([$3~)+[~~~<~()+48]~~~-)~10*)]/]--10):]]~[)[H]]~:][0]
06:57:21 <oerjan> `fueue )[):[)$$7--1[)$3~[)$~!~~%~)]$2<[):]~:]~)~~[)~~~[~)~$7~~:~~([$3~)+[~~~<~()+48]~~~-)~10*)]/]--10):]]~[)[H]]~:][33]
07:05:26 <oerjan> `run cat /dev/null | fueue ')))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)[):[)$$7--1[)$3~[)$~!~~%~)]$2<[):]~:]~)~~[)~~~[~)~$7~~:~~([$3~)+[~~~<~()+48]~~~-)~10*)]/]--10):]]~[)[H]]~:]][33] '
07:05:56 <oerjan> `fueue )))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][][)[):[)$$7--1[)$3~[)$~!~~%~)]$2<[):]~:]~)~~[)~~~[~)~$7~~:~~([$3~)+[~~~<~()+48]~~~-)~10*)]/]--10):]]~[)[H]]~:]][33]
07:07:18 <oerjan> it's an accident of stdin blocking there
07:08:46 <oerjan> oh the rev simply works because it always reads into a zero cell
07:10:57 <oerjan> hah and the cat seemed to work because hackego removes trailing newlines which were what were printed by the "no change" NULs :P
07:16:09 <oerjan> i guess a bf implementation which treats EOF as NUL and no change simultaneously is a bit unusual, *cough*
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07:23:42 <HackEgo> why is this workingggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
07:36:28 <HackEgo> Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
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08:34:34 <zzo38> <[th]s0[st]s1[nd]s2[rd]s3dBr100%d10%r10/1-1 0 1i*d3-1d0i*`0+L+>
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09:12:02 <Taneb> What's Opera like as a browser
09:12:48 <zzo38> shachaf: Why do you disagree?
09:18:26 <Gregor> My sleep schedule feels pretty broken when I wake up naturally at 4AM.
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09:18:39 <elliott> Gregor: it can get much worse
09:18:57 <zzo38> oklopol: Then you make it like that if you want.
09:18:58 <oklopol> at some point last year i woke up at midnight and went straight to work
09:19:25 <Sgeo> Going to sleep at 6pm until 3am is not a good thing
09:19:36 <Sgeo> Although I've done worse than that
09:19:39 <elliott> its not that awful a thing
09:19:43 <elliott> just think of it as a real early morning
09:19:53 <elliott> it's bad if you're bad at waking up in the dark depending on location tho
09:20:15 <oklopol> it's a bad thing if there are bad social/work consequences. caused me no problems.
09:20:34 <elliott> by bad I mean it makes you feel awful
09:20:37 <oklopol> nowadays i got to sleep between 22 and 23 and wake up at 8. girlfriends SUCK :(
09:21:17 <monqy> maybe a boy friend would be better
09:21:34 <oklopol> yeah we could gay up all night.
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09:24:47 <zzo38> shachaf: What hunch?
09:25:59 <shachaf> zzo38: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPdzCZdvBp0
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10:30:45 <Taneb> shachaf, what do you make of last night's Homestuck update
10:31:04 <shachaf> Taneb: I don't read Holmes Tuck.
10:32:14 <Taneb> One character isn't wearing pants
10:32:21 <Taneb> And has been called out on it by his grandmother
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10:53:27 <Sgeo> And also by his granddaughter
10:54:14 <Taneb> Sgeo, by that logic 1 is prime
10:57:00 <Sgeo> grandmadaughter is overpowered
11:01:06 <Taneb> It's such a deus ex machina for Jake and Jane
11:02:17 <Sgeo> How did Jade know what was going on, exactly?
11:02:23 <Sgeo> Is she omniscient now too?
11:02:36 <Taneb> First guardian powers
11:02:47 <Taneb> Wait, that doesn't grant omniscient
11:03:39 <shachaf> y'all'ren't talking about esolangs
11:04:06 <Sgeo> Surely ~ATH counts
11:04:24 <Taneb> And Brazil isn't a vegetable
11:04:26 <Sgeo> Although I guess it was used for a practical purpose
11:04:57 <Taneb> What, dooming everybody Karkat ever met?
11:05:12 <Sgeo> And summoning an evil invincible demon
11:10:11 <Sgeo> shachaf, is summoning an evil invincible demon too practical for an esolang?
11:10:58 <zzo38> Sgeo: Maybe. Make it a evil invisible demon instead of invincible.
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11:12:17 <zzo38> "You have bitshifted the result of a boolean expression and used it as an array index to avoid using ?: or an if statement." Have you done things like that?
11:12:23 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, you should try to catch up
11:13:09 <Sgeo> don't logread, there are spoilers
11:13:54 <Phantom_Hoover> wating faithfully for some sort of... hercules to wash it away in a... torrent of... reading
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11:43:44 <Sgeo> I cannot sing along with Wormsong 2011
11:43:47 <Sgeo> The lyrics are just wrong
11:45:05 <zzo38> Can you correct them?
11:47:38 <Sgeo> I can listen to Wormsong 2003 instead
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11:59:21 <Vorpal> hm what was the name of that software that HackEgo and EgoBot use for the sandbox?
12:03:21 <Vorpal> elliott, he wrote that himself right?
12:04:23 <Vorpal> no package in debian for it :/
12:04:31 <FreeFull> Hey, why is (=>>) not part of the Comonad instance in Control.Comonad ?
12:04:38 <Vorpal> elliott, what was the old one? That was based on some crazy debian-only thingy
12:05:03 <elliott> FreeFull: It's defined separately.
12:05:08 <Vorpal> I forgot what was wrong with plash
12:05:08 <FreeFull> Doesn't this mean you can't define your own, and have to rely on the built-in definition?
12:08:37 <FreeFull> I know why fail "something" :: Either String a doesn't return Left "something" but it's inconvienient
12:09:02 <FreeFull> I guess you'd want a separate monad that constricts the failure value to a string?
12:09:57 <elliott> If you can avoid fail you probably should.
12:11:09 <FreeFull> For Boolean I can think of two monoid instances, And and Or. Would Xor work as a monoid instance too?
12:11:25 <Taneb> No, there's no identity
12:11:54 <elliott> FreeFull: Any/All are the newtype wrappers for those Monoid instances
12:12:38 <FreeFull> I don't think Nor or Nand are monoids
12:12:57 <elliott> shachaf: Is xor actually a monoid?
12:13:03 <elliott> semigroups defines xor for non-empty lists.
12:13:06 <elliott> I presume there's a reason for that.
12:13:31 <elliott> shachaf: It doesn't define and/or/etc.
12:13:46 <shachaf> The Prelude defines and/or/etc. but not xor
12:14:24 <elliott> Are you suggesting it has xor even though you can (in this hypothetical) define xor perfectly normally and well-behavedly on full lists just for the hell of it, despite not having anything else like that?
12:14:29 <elliott> It's edwardk, he'd define the [] version.
12:14:34 <elliott> Why restrict it unless it has to be?
12:15:07 <FreeFull> Let me look up the monoid laws
12:15:18 <shachaf> Maybe xor is a useful operation on nonempty lists in particular?
12:15:50 <FreeFull> xor does seem to follow the laws
12:16:14 <shachaf> elliott: xor is the most well-behaved operation in the world.
12:16:34 <shachaf> (Bool,False,(/=)) is definitely a monoid.
12:17:52 <FreeFull> And someone probably didn't like xor being a monoid
12:21:03 <shachaf> All of those mean the same thing!
12:21:36 <FreeFull> Assuming a, b and c don't get modified or are distinct
12:24:22 <shachaf> xor isn't short-circuiting, sadly.
12:24:27 <shachaf> Well, I guess that's not so sad.
12:25:13 <elliott> shachaf: What should the newtype for Xor be called?
12:26:42 <shachaf> It doesn't need a newtype.
12:32:19 <shachaf> Hmm, no, that's just wrong.
12:41:08 <Sgeo> Toggle may be better than Flip but only 1 toggles
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13:23:38 <hagb4rd> @tell kmc darn! you forgot to turn off the light in the refrigerator once again.
13:27:47 <FreeFull> If monads are monoids, are comonads comonoids?
13:28:31 <shachaf> Aren't comonads also monoids, or something?
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13:34:31 <elliott> It's unlikely anything is a comonoid.
13:35:23 <Taneb> A comonoid, you'd have to split it, right?
13:35:38 <Taneb> And everything splits into comempty and itself
13:36:07 <elliott> I hear comonoids are completely boring in Hask.
13:36:17 <elliott> You end up with x -> (x, x) where the laws require \x -> (x, x) or something.
13:36:51 <shachaf> elliott: Are you sure about that second part?
13:37:09 <elliott> I think that's what edwardk told me.
13:37:13 <elliott> Certainly x -> (x, x) is an interesting type.
13:37:24 <elliott> e.g. splitting name supplies
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14:03:33 <FreeFull> elliott: Wouldn't that not apply with the restraint Comonoid x
14:04:13 <FreeFull> And the behaviour would depend on the comonoid instance of x, rather than always leading to \x -> (x,x)
14:04:31 * elliott doesn't know what's unclear about "where the laws require \x -> (x, x)"
14:06:50 <shachaf> Shouldn't the dual of (a,a) -> a be a -> Either a a?
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14:08:54 <FreeFull> For the Sum monoid, mappend a b = c has an infinite number of values for a and b that will produce c
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14:09:56 <FreeFull> So I'm thinking the Comonoid instance would have something like comappend c = ([0,1..],[c,c-1..])
14:10:01 <FreeFull> Although that might not make sense
14:10:29 <FreeFull> Well, technically ([comempty,comempty+1..],[c,c-1..])
14:14:35 <elliott> comempty would be x -> ().
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14:55:54 <Phantom_Hoover> also don't let the name fool you, the university of warwick is in coventry
15:03:43 <Phantom_Hoover> is it just me, or is it incredibly, pointlessly hard to get a USB headset working on Arch?
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15:36:50 <Phantom_Hoover> i feel like as i move south the scenery should get less snowy, not more
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15:38:37 <Gregor> My Little Haskell: Lenses are Magic
15:38:46 <Gregor> I had to say that somewhere, better here than there.
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15:42:03 <hagb4rd> look like you run a little late. lens have been completely demystified in that channel.
15:42:39 <hagb4rd> gregor: have you done sth usefull using lens?
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15:49:42 <hagb4rd> gregor: have you got your new accordion?
15:50:23 <Gregor> I got one in Indiana, if that's what you mean, but it's kind of meh.
15:50:34 <Gregor> I'm still looking for (and not finding) a better one.
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15:52:59 <hagb4rd> yes, it's hard at least in that low-price-class
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15:54:35 <hagb4rd> and some 2nd hand instruments seems to be more expensive than the fresh-manufactured
15:57:29 <Gregor> If they're being sold by someone who knows what they're selling, yeah.
15:57:42 <Gregor> But I'm in the "what the heck is this, I'll just invent a price" market ;)
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16:30:13 <augur> http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=express&host=216.81.59.173
16:30:18 <augur> this is something one of you people would do
16:31:17 <augur> the free monad is the term monad
16:32:24 <augur> [] is the free monoid functor tho
16:33:36 <FreeFull> I wonder when Haskell people realised "Hey, we can create a monad instance"
16:34:38 <augur> moggi wrote some stuff, wadler read it and was impressed
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16:55:10 <FreeFull> Hmm, the first moggi paper on monads seems to be from 1988
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17:56:20 * Sgeo is starting to get a hatred of channels that don't put freenode staff on the access list
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18:10:13 <fizzie> I suppose that's a roundabout way of saying #esoteric.
18:10:16 <Sgeo> There's someone in #scala with a horribly broken connection, and no ops online, and #freenode can't do anything because they're not on the access list
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18:10:28 <Sgeo> I think #esoteric has freenode staff on the access list
18:10:43 <Sgeo> -ChanServ- 6 freenode-staff +AFRfiorstv [modified 34 weeks, 1 day, 03:31:10 ago]
18:10:58 <Sgeo> I don't know if that line, without the ... hostmask thing, is effective or not
18:11:17 <fizzie> That seems a relatively recent thing.
18:11:41 <fizzie> I didn't even know it was a recommended practice. It certainly hasn't been.
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18:15:23 <Sgeo> I don't know which one is a recommended practice
18:16:45 <fizzie> "Staff can be given access by providing [nick] as "*!*@freenode/staff/*".", on the Using the Network page.
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18:16:53 <fizzie> I suppose it's a reasonably neutral statement, though.
18:17:28 <fizzie> #freenode has both "*!*@freenode/staff/*" and "freenode-staff" on the list.
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18:18:24 <Sgeo> After seeing #scala , and a similar situation in the past, I have a strong preference
18:19:56 <fizzie> I see "freenode-staff" is nowadays our founder, too; might explain why it's on the list.
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18:44:17 <Vorpal> where is the hack ego bot code repo, as opposed to the file system repo
18:46:00 <Vorpal> specifically I'm looking for how he set up umlbox
18:50:08 <Gregor> Vorpal: http://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot
18:50:45 <Vorpal> Gregor, that does not contain the call to umlbox?
18:50:56 <Vorpal> Gregor, which is what I was looking for
18:51:08 <Vorpal> Gregor, specifically how you set up the socket stuff
18:51:21 <Vorpal> Gregor, because that umlbox-mudem has me confused
18:51:25 <Gregor> That DOES contain the call to umlbox.
18:51:38 <Gregor> If you want to know how umlbox itself works, then look at the umlbox code.
18:51:56 <Vorpal> I thought you ran umlbox outermost
18:52:16 <Gregor> No, it runs a umlbox per call.
18:52:29 <HackEgo> 18:52:27 up 0 min, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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18:53:41 <Vorpal> Gregor, so where do you use the mudem thing?
18:53:58 <Gregor> mudem is all handled by umlbox, it's just the -R in the args that make it run.
18:54:22 <Gregor> The problem is that uml doesn't provide an especially reliable pipe to/from the host.
18:54:29 <Vorpal> Gregor, but what about direct connections to the internet? Is that possible at all?
18:54:38 <Gregor> That's kinda the idea.
18:54:52 <Vorpal> Gregor, well I was wondering if it was possible to set that up
18:54:59 <Gregor> It'd be possible to set it up with, say, a SOCKS proxy.
18:55:15 <Gregor> If you want direct connections, you could adjust it to make umlbox use slip.
18:55:19 <Vorpal> hm I guess I could use -R and then an socat in my case
18:55:33 <Vorpal> Gregor, slip? lol what?
18:55:53 <Vorpal> is that a pre-PPP thingy?
18:56:31 <Gregor> Yes, but there's a program, the name of which I forget, that simulates a whole network stack for one end of a slip connection. UML and Qemu both use/include a derivative of it.
18:56:49 <Gregor> That's what I was looking for.
18:56:56 <Vorpal> Gregor, I thought qemu used a virtual ethernet adapter?
18:57:04 <Gregor> Yes, but that connects to slirp.
18:57:10 <Vorpal> and then a tun interface on the host
18:57:17 <Gregor> You can use tun if you want.
18:57:21 <Gregor> Or you can hook it to slirp.
18:57:24 <Gregor> slirp is all usermode.
18:57:44 <Vorpal> well I think -R and an socat would work for my case
18:57:47 <fizzie> Oh, I didn't know qemu's user-mode networking was a SLIRP derivative.
18:58:46 <Vorpal> wait.. -R takes a host?
18:58:53 <Vorpal> does that mean I don't need a socat in between
18:58:59 <Vorpal> if I want to connect to just one fixed host
19:00:04 <Gregor> Yeah, -R8080:google.com:80 would give you a pipe to google.
19:00:05 <Vorpal> Gregor, so I would say connect to, say, 127.0.0.1:1234 in the box, then put in -R1234:example.org:80?
19:00:36 <Gregor> I don't think there's anything particularly missing for it, would just need to be integrated into mudem.
19:00:46 <Vorpal> fair enough, not a pressing need for me
19:00:49 <Gregor> The big issue is that the mudem is unreliable because there's no initial handshake...
19:01:15 <Gregor> UML doesn't provide a reliable pipe into/out of the virtual system, like I mentioned.
19:01:24 <Gregor> So to make it not suck, you need some kind of handshake between them.
19:01:33 <Gregor> I never bothered to make that work properly, so mudem is spotty.
19:01:36 <Vorpal> so what do you use for your bots then?
19:01:45 <Gregor> I use that, it just sucks.
19:11:18 <Vorpal> Gregor, so in what ways is it unreliable
19:11:22 <Vorpal> what can I expect failing
19:12:57 <Vorpal> Gregor, hm it just says "Terminated"?
19:13:44 <Vorpal> Gregor, when I try to use -R
19:14:29 <Vorpal> Gregor, and without said forwarding it is of no use to me
19:15:45 <Vorpal> Gregor, I don't know how to debug python :/
19:16:25 <Gregor> Generally speaking, mudem will work "fine" if you put some time between starting the session and actually trying to use a connection.
19:16:29 <Vorpal> #whenever I try to use -R it just says terminated, I'm trying to use it to a remote
19:16:37 <Vorpal> I will try add a sleep then
19:16:51 <Gregor> (Like I said, unreliable)
19:16:59 <Vorpal> Gregor, I tried to forward a port and run ls
19:17:02 <Vorpal> it just said terminated
19:17:12 <Vorpal> so this is not THAT issue it seems
19:17:18 <Gregor> And if you do it without port forwarding, it works?
19:17:36 <Vorpal> -R6697:myircserver:6697 is what I tried
19:17:55 <Vorpal> Gregor, kernel panic in uml
19:19:08 <Vorpal> Gregor, I'm using the debian uml package kernel as the README suggested
19:19:22 <Vorpal> Gregor, anyway, here it is but replaced with google http://sprunge.us/ghVK
19:19:27 <Vorpal> Gregor, also I use debian testing
19:20:10 <Gregor> Well that's strange >_O
19:20:15 <Vorpal> arvid@tux /tmp $ $HOME/local/umlbox/bin/umlbox -v -B -R6697:google.com:6697 --copy-cwd ls
19:20:17 <Gregor> What happens if you use -n < /dev/null ?
19:20:25 <Vorpal> Gregor, on which part?
19:20:38 <Gregor> Use -n as an option, and append < /dev/null
19:20:41 <Gregor> Don't put the -n after ls :)
19:21:10 <Vorpal> Gregor, 64-bit debian testing
19:21:42 <Vorpal> Gregor, if I remove the forward it works just fine
19:22:14 <Gregor> Oh look, it fails for me too X-D
19:22:27 <Vorpal> Gregor, so you don't use this feature then?
19:23:51 <Gregor> This is really weird. Why is it working on codu X-D
19:23:52 <Vorpal> Gregor, you aren't going to fix this right now?
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19:24:08 <Vorpal> Gregor, I have no idea where to even start to look
19:24:19 <Vorpal> Gregor, but if you find out what differs on codu, please tell me
19:26:37 <Vorpal> !c char*a,b[9999];main(){gets(a=b);while(*a){a+=(b[*a]-=b[a[1]])?3:a[2];}puts(b+1);}
19:27:15 <Vorpal> !c char*a,b[9999]="test string";main(){a=b;while(*a){a+=(b[*a]-=b[a[1]])?3:a[2];}puts(b+1);}
19:27:26 <Vorpal> well, that was fairly boring
19:27:41 <Gregor> It does more, but you need an interesting input X-D
19:28:05 <Vorpal> !c char*a,b[9999]="THIS... IS... INTERESTING!";main(){a=b;while(*a){a+=(b[*a]-=b[a[1]])?3:a[2];}puts(b+1);}
19:28:08 <EgoBot> HIS... IS... INTERESTING!
19:29:34 <Vorpal> Gregor, any suggestions for more interesting inputs?
19:29:42 <Vorpal> !c char*a,b[9999]="654321";main(){a=b;while(*a){a+=(b[*a]-=b[a[1]])?3:a[2];}puts(b+1);}
19:29:53 <Vorpal> !c char*a,b[9999]="123456";main(){a=b;while(*a){a+=(b[*a]-=b[a[1]])?3:a[2];}puts(b+1);}
19:30:08 <Vorpal> !c char*a,b[9999]="121212";main(){a=b;while(*a){a+=(b[*a]-=b[a[1]])?3:a[2];}puts(b+1);}
19:30:13 <Vorpal> !c char*a,b[9999]="111121212";main(){a=b;while(*a){a+=(b[*a]-=b[a[1]])?3:a[2];}puts(b+1);}
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19:31:21 <Gregor> Vorpal: It's subleq you nut
19:31:41 <Vorpal> I'm too tried to read that sort of C code today
19:31:48 <Vorpal> FreeFull, live a successful life?
19:32:03 <Gregor> Being in #esoteric is your first mistake ;)
19:32:42 <Vorpal> Gregor, what version of debian is on codu?
19:32:57 <Gregor> `cat /etc/debian_version
19:32:58 <HackEgo> cat: /etc/debian_version: No such file or directory
19:33:04 <Gregor> Hm, really thought that might work X-D
19:33:18 <Vorpal> $ cat /etc/debian_version
19:33:26 <Gregor> Yeah, it's running testing.
19:33:34 <HackEgo> No LSB modules are available. \ Distributor ID:Debian \ Description:Debian GNU/Linux \ Release:n/a \ Codename:n/a
19:34:03 <HackEgo> No LSB modules are available. \ Distributor ID:Debian \ Description:Debian GNU/Linux \ Release:n/a \ Codename:n/a
19:34:14 <HackEgo> Linux umlbox 3.0.8-umlbox #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
19:35:14 <Vorpal> $ ~/local/umlbox/bin/umlbox -B uname -a
19:35:14 <Vorpal> Linux (none) 3.2.35 #2 Fri Jan 4 23:20:55 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux
19:35:24 <Vorpal> Gregor, different kernel
19:35:40 <Vorpal> Linux tux 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.35-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux
19:36:35 <Vorpal> Gregor, where did you get the kernel from on codu? And can you put up a copy of that so I can test with that
19:39:36 <Gregor> On codu I'm using the kernel that umlbox builds if you ask it to.
19:39:44 <Gregor> But I'm using that here too.
19:40:50 <Vorpal> Gregor, any sysctl differences?
19:41:29 <Gregor> It seems to have something to do with using the ttys in uml, not networking.
19:42:03 <Vorpal> Gregor, okay, how do I deal with that?
19:42:14 <Vorpal> Gregor, not run it interactively?
19:42:30 <Gregor> That's why I was suggesting -n < /dev/null
19:42:50 <Vorpal> didn't* do a difference
19:43:07 <Vorpal> Gregor, anyway it is using that -R line that triggers it
19:43:27 <Gregor> Like I said, I can repro.
19:43:31 <Vorpal> so how is it tty related
19:43:39 <Gregor> The mudem attaches via tty.
19:47:05 <Vorpal> Gregor, the README: "Alternatively, you may extract Linux 3.4.4 to umlbox/linux-3.4.4 (substitute
19:47:14 <Vorpal> Gregor, yet you have 3.0.8 on the server
19:47:26 <Vorpal> Gregor, are you sure you have 3.0.8 locally?
19:47:31 <Vorpal> if not that could be the difference
19:47:34 <Gregor> Locally I certainly don't.
19:47:43 <Gregor> I doubt that that's the difference, but anything's possible.
19:47:49 <Vorpal> Gregor, well maybe that it is, why not try the kernel from there?
19:48:02 <Gregor> Because I'm doing other stuff and intend to debug later X-D\
19:49:29 <Vorpal> Gregor, upload that kernel for me and I'll test it
19:50:02 <Gregor> http://codu.org/tmp/umlbox-linux
19:50:18 <Vorpal> Length: 2597176 (2,5M) [text/plain]
19:50:34 <Vorpal> bc4ca95329341d20e92b702d5f6f8695 umlbox-linux
19:52:41 <Vorpal> it now complains about the initramfs
19:52:53 <Gregor> Soooooo, that made it fail in a different way? X-D
19:53:00 <Vorpal> Gregor, permission issues on the file
19:53:09 <Vorpal> I guess umlbox-linux needs to be executable
19:53:11 <lambdabot> kmc: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
19:53:29 <Vorpal> Gregor, yeah still crash
19:53:44 <Vorpal> Gregor, so no such luck
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20:25:03 <Sgeo> `slist no actual update, but the RSS feed changed
20:25:04 <HackEgo> Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
20:25:13 <Sgeo> Currently trying to see what
20:25:34 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: type: not found
20:25:40 <HackEgo> slist is /hackenv/bin/slist
20:25:53 <Vorpal> `run url /hackenv/bin/slist
20:25:56 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip//hackenv/bin/slist
20:26:02 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/slist
20:26:36 <Vorpal> Sgeo, what is the point of that
20:31:27 <Sgeo> Ping people when Homestuck updates
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20:53:27 <oerjan> 12:10:34: <FreeFull> True
20:53:27 <oerjan> 12:11:09: <FreeFull> For Boolean I can think of two monoid instances, And and Or. Would Xor work as a monoid instance too?
20:53:43 <zzo38> XOR is a monoid too.
20:53:46 <oerjan> and, or, xor, and the dual of xor (eqv or something?)
20:53:57 <oerjan> zzo38: yes that was mentioned, i just wanted to add one
20:54:04 <zzo38> You can do boolean XOR in Haskell using (/=)
20:55:30 <zzo38> Yes, if you are using actual booleans
20:55:31 <kmc> xor is addition mod 2
20:55:43 <kmc> so yes it's a monoid and a group
20:56:07 <kmc> 'and' is multiplication on the same elements
20:56:27 <oerjan> False * x = x and x * False = x leaves only True * True to vary, so Or and Xor are the only ones with identity False, by duality And and Eqv are the only ones with identity True
20:56:36 <kmc> together you have the finite field of size 2
20:58:07 <Sgeo> In J, b. can be used for all possible binary boolean functions
20:59:06 <jconn> Sgeo: |ill-formed number
20:59:42 <Sgeo> http://www.jsoftware.com/docs/help701/dictionary/dbdotn.htm
21:00:09 <oerjan> i suppose the dual of xor doesn't have a settled name since C doesn't include an operator for it.
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21:01:40 <oerjan> googling "names of boolean operators" gives wikipedia's C operators on top :(
21:01:55 <Sgeo> a xor b xor all1
21:02:14 <oerjan> a _name_ Sgeo, not an expression.
21:02:32 <oerjan> a name when spoken, to be precise.
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21:03:15 <FreeFull> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_connective#Common_logical_connectives
21:05:17 * oerjan is grumpy today, if you cannot tell.
21:08:45 <oerjan> <shachaf> Maybe xor is a useful operation on nonempty lists in particular? <-- given that x xor x is empty, it wouldn't be closed...
21:10:55 <oerjan> or is that an analogue to or and and, so gives a boolean? still makes no sense to require nonemptiness indeed
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21:21:09 <oerjan> <Sgeo> -ChanServ- 6 freenode-staff +AFRfiorstv [modified 34 weeks, 1 day, 03:31:10 ago] <-- i vaguely suspect that happened when andreou got deregistered, and freenode-staff automatically became the new founder
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21:21:49 <Sgeo> It was 6th on the list though
21:22:00 <oerjan> yes but it has the F founder flag
21:25:26 <kmc> all hail lord xnor
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21:29:20 <fizzie> oerjan: <fizzie> I see "freenode-staff" is nowadays our founder, too; might explain why it's on the list.
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21:30:48 <oerjan> that was the next line i read in the logs, yes :P
21:35:08 <Sgeo> Who is John freenode-staff?
21:36:47 <Sgeo> Is there any chance of granting access to *!*@freenode/staff/*
21:36:55 <oerjan> <Gregor> UML doesn't provide a reliable pipe into/out of the virtual system, like I mentioned. <-- is that why the web proxy keeps failing?
21:38:30 <zzo38> Sgeo: Grant access of what? Can't they do it by themself if they need to, if it is already freenote-staff on the founter list?
21:38:50 <Sgeo> zzo38, they said it's a placeholder accoun
21:40:05 <oerjan> i didn't even know access add could take a wildcard nickname. i thought it stored accounts, not nicks...
21:40:28 <zzo38> Still I don't think you should right now. If it is capable to do so then you can make it once they tell you to do so, if they do.
21:40:31 <Gregor> What sort of a network is it where you can DENY access to staff >_O
21:41:10 <Sgeo> I just learned the name of one of the auto-kline chanels
21:41:22 <zzo38> On my IRC server I have configured it not to deny anyone.
21:41:34 <zzo38> Sgeo: What happens if you use a MODE or TOPIC request on one of those?
21:41:58 <Sgeo> But I know if you join it you get banned from Freenode
21:42:36 <zzo38> Or a CS INFO request?
21:42:37 <oerjan> zzo38: the idea is not that they demand it, it's that freenode staff for some reason cannot help out the channel without it, if no ops are present.
21:43:41 <zzo38> Then wait until they do need to help out the channel.
21:43:44 <oerjan> <Gregor> Yes. <-- well that makes it one of the top outstanding bugs, i'd say.
21:43:46 <Sgeo> -ChanServ- Registered : Nov 20 11:12:45 2009 (3 years, 11 weeks, 6 days, 10:30:28 ago)
21:43:46 <Sgeo> -ChanServ- Mode lock : +mnstcP
21:43:46 <Sgeo> -ChanServ- Flags : GUARD PRIVATE
21:44:04 <Sgeo> oerjan, political stuff I guess
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21:44:32 <Gregor> oerjan: It is the top outstanding bug in UMLBox, yes.
21:45:47 <Sgeo> zzo38, I don't know how to get the topic of a channel I'm not in
21:45:59 <oerjan> Gregor: btw my fueue experiments in the channel hid a bug for the longest time because HackEgo's stripping of final newlines made me not realize input of EOF was instead interpreted as doing no change. (so when i piped echo without -n into a cat it gave the right result :P)
21:45:59 <zzo38> Sgeo: Use the command TOPIC and the channel name.
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21:46:06 <zzo38> (Same as a channel you are in)
21:46:22 <Sgeo> zzo38, I think client fills that in for me
21:46:27 <Sgeo> I guess I can use raw
21:46:37 <oerjan> *into a cat simulation
21:46:59 <zzo38> (Although in some channel the TOPIC command fails if you are not in.)
21:47:03 <Sgeo> "You're not on that channel"
21:47:26 <Gregor> Y'know, both HackEgo and UMLBox have bug trackers X_X
21:47:29 <zzo38> (I think the mode +s might control that)
21:48:49 <oerjan> Gregor: i'm not sure that one counts as a bug, it was just wicked that somehow all my example runs conspired to hide the bug
21:49:28 <oerjan> also i have an irrational fear of bug trackers
21:51:06 <zzo38> I added a note in Internet Quiz Engine documentation that says you can make comments with #<xxxxxxxx>xxxxxxx to make a tagged comment which might be used with other programs for formatting, metadata, and other purposes. Internet Quiz Engine itself ignores them but other front-ends might use them.
21:52:00 <oerjan> `run echo example | fueue ')[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$%0]][):]~[~~~~<)[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][]]~[[49 33H])[))$12~[:]<<$4~~~<[)$--1[$8~)$4<[)$$6-%0[)]]<]~)~:~]~[!~)~~[)[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]]<<[1)]]~[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$$7--1]][~~~)%[~~)~:(+-)(~)+-1*256]+-~)255:]~[[0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][50 33H])~!]]]]][))$11~<<~:(~:<][)[[48 33H])~[)[H]]~~!]!]'
21:52:07 <oerjan> `run echo -n example | fueue ')[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$%0]][):]~[~~~~<)[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][]]~[[49 33H])[))$12~[:]<<$4~~~<[)$--1[$8~)$4<[)$$6-%0[)]]<]~)~:~]~[!~)~~[)[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]]<<[1)]]~[)~~[)$--1[)~]<~~<)<[)$$7--1]][~~~)%[~~)~:(+-)(~)+-1*256]+-~)255:]~[[0]:[[0]<:[[0]<:]][50 33H])~!]]]]][))$11~<<~:(~:<][)[[48 33H])~[)[H]]~~!]!]'
21:52:09 <HackEgo> exampleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
21:52:30 <Sgeo> I guess I shouldn't even _mention_ the channel name here, lest someone gets tempted
21:52:36 <Sgeo> Just one little click
21:52:42 <zzo38> Sgeo: OK then don't mentioned
21:53:32 <zzo38> (Although depending on the client clicking it won't necessarily have any effect.)
21:54:55 <zzo38> So if you want to make other front-end for Internet Quiz Engine, for use with HTML, Android, DOS, Commodore 64, or whatever, then you can do if you want to, whether or not you want to use these tagged comments.
21:55:09 <Sgeo> As other people have said, it's like a BIG RED BUTTON that says DO NOT PUSH
21:55:40 <zzo38> Sgeo: And you will want to take it apart to see how it is wired.
21:55:46 <zzo38> (Rather than pushing it)
21:59:29 <Sgeo> If you start spreading it around to people maliciously, Freenode staff might look at me as suspicious
21:59:39 -!- oerjan has set topic: DO NOT PUSH | char*a,b[9999];main(){gets(a=b);while(*a){a+=(b[*a]-=b[a[1]])?3:a[2];}puts(b+1);} | a mutiny of clowns http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/.
22:00:23 <Sgeo> Although there are a lot of other people in the place where the name got exposed, so
22:00:25 <zzo38> I don't really like that, but that is what they do.
22:00:34 <Sgeo> Also, we're discussing it here on public record, so
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22:02:03 <zzo38> I think having such channel would cause many problems.
22:03:34 <Sgeo> It has a simple name. I always thought those channels would have gibberish names
22:03:56 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, presumably if malware tries to use it for a botnet thing
22:05:20 <zzo38> There may be better ways to avoid such malware though?
22:05:45 <Sgeo> I think that just preventing the channel from existing would work bette
22:05:51 <Sgeo> autoban from channel on join
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22:34:51 <kmc> middle of nowhere
22:34:59 <Sgeo> If I didn't have IRC or any other online chat, would I go insane from lack of talking to people?
22:35:10 <fizzie> There is no streetview from Luxembourg, and very many places from Germany; cf. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130210-streetview.png
22:35:12 <oerjan> `run echo 'fixed?' | fueue ')))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][)[)[~[0]~])][~!]][)[):[)$$7--1[)$3~[)$~!~~%~)]$2<[):]~:]~)~~[)~~~[~)~$7~~:~~([$3~)+[~~~<~()+48]~~~-)~10*)]/]--10):]]~[)[H]]~:]][33] '
22:35:13 <kmc> maybe you would talk to some people in person
22:35:19 <Sgeo> Is IRC in fact sufficient to prevent that sort of insanity?
22:35:27 <oerjan> `run cat /dev/null | fueue ')))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][)[)[~[0]~])][~!]][)[):[)$$7--1[)$3~[)$~!~~%~)]$2<[):]~:]~)~~[)~~~[~)~$7~~:~~([$3~)+[~~~<~()+48]~~~-)~10*)]/]--10):]]~[)[H]]~:]][33] '
22:35:38 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc, there's not much nowhere north of Norilsk, so IDK if it counts as the middle.
22:36:24 <kmc> fair enough
22:36:34 <kmc> arctic ocean counts as nowhere
22:36:59 <oerjan> not any more, it has oil and gas!
22:36:59 <kmc> google does have street view on the Dalton Highway
22:37:51 <Phantom_Hoover> Sgeo, I'm sure one of the channel's many psychologists could help you, and would be only too happy to do so.
22:38:08 <fizzie> Google has "street"view from some coral reefs. http://maps.google.com/help/maps/streetview/gallery/ocean/ has links.
22:38:54 <Sgeo> The process for contributing to Clojure and its contrib libraries is clinically fucking insane
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22:39:14 <Sgeo> http://clojure.org/contributing
22:39:29 <Sgeo> "Download and print out the Contributor Agreement
22:39:29 <Sgeo> If you hope to contribute via Clojure's projects (clojure and clojure-contrib), specify your GitHub username on the agreement. Please specify the name/email you use on the Google Group as well.
22:39:29 <Sgeo> Sign the agreement
22:39:29 <Sgeo> Send your signed agreement via postal mail to:"
22:41:06 <oerjan> `echo -n hm|fueue ')$--%0[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][)[)[~[0]~])][~!]][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][)[)[~[0]~])][~!]][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[))(($3~)
22:41:08 <HackEgo> -n hm|fueue ')$--%0[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][)[)[~[0]~])][~!]][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][)[)[~[0]~])][~!]][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]
22:41:12 <oerjan> `run echo -n hm|fueue ')$--%0[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][)[)[~[0]~])][~!]][)$$6-%0[)][)$--%0[)$$6-%0[)][)[H]!][1)[)$%0[)$--%0[))$11~<<~:(~:<])[~~)<~~~(]])[):]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]])[~~)<~~~(]!][1)[)$--%0[)))~$([[)[~~~~()+1])][0]$%~~1)][)[)[~[0]~])][~!]][))$11~<<~:(~:<]])[))(($3~)<(]]])[)$--1[)~~~[)$4~[~):~~[~:~)~[)$$6-%0~~[$~])~]<~]<~<]$3~[)$~~~%~~)]<~(~~<]~~<<~[0]]<<<:]]])[))((
22:41:14 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
22:41:24 <oerjan> the fix made it too long :(
22:41:36 <fizzie> I think they also added Svalbard recently; it's full of very enlightening imagery, such as http://goo.gl/maps/bt4ZN
22:41:49 <oerjan> ...i just want to demonstrate, oh well.
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22:45:47 <Sgeo> "Your topic has been created and will appear after it has been approved."
22:46:06 <Sgeo> I am starting to dislike the Clojure community
22:46:54 <shachaf> how about the dylan community
22:47:17 <Sgeo> If they don't make me snail-mail a legal form to some guy, I'm happy
22:49:15 <Sgeo> Is the Ada community even particularly open-source oriented?
22:49:29 <Sgeo> There's one notable OSS implementation, and the people behind it sell a proprietary version
22:50:41 <Sgeo> http://clojure.org/file/view/ca.pdf
22:50:54 <Sgeo> Is this thing asking to grant ALL my patents to Rich Hickey, or just relevant ones?
22:51:07 <Sgeo> (Erm, not grant, but let him ... use...)
22:51:09 <Sgeo> The wording is weird
22:51:52 <Sgeo> If Rich is short for Richard, I can imagine he doesn't want to be called Dick Hickey
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