00:00:00 <Sgeo> I was hoping that just requiring X-Requested-With: XMLHttpRequest would be enough
00:00:01 <kmc> this kind of thing is why GitHub moved the user generated pages to github.io like last week
00:00:07 <kmc> maybe it is
00:00:25 <kmc> people also mitigate CSRF by checking the Referer header
00:01:14 <kmc> Django's CSRF middleware does that automatically if the request was sent by HTTPS
00:01:39 <kmc> (because in that case you have no excuse for blocking the Referer header as a legitimate user)
00:02:21 <elliott> my excuse is that it's awful
00:02:22 <kmc> "Verifying that the request's header contains a X-Requested-With (used by Ruby on Rails before v2.0 and Django before v1.2.5), or checking the HTTP Referer header and/or HTTP Origin header... These protections have been proven insecure under a combination of browser plugins and redirects which can allow an attacker to provide custom HTTP headers on a request to any website, hence allowing a forged request"
00:02:28 <kmc> Sgeo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_request_forgery with links
00:02:35 <kmc> the ambient authority of cookies is awful
00:03:42 <Sgeo> Is there a chance that the plugins could be patched to not allow that?
00:03:57 <Sgeo> Considered a security vuln. of the plugins, not the sites?
00:03:59 <kmc> i do'nt know which plugins
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00:17:43 <kmc> daily mail: "worst U.S. terror strike since 9/11"
00:17:49 <kmc> leave it to the daily mail to keep some levelheaded perspective
00:18:08 <kmc> about an event which has killed 0.1% as many people as 9/11
00:18:19 <Bike> are there any confirmed deaths yet?
00:18:22 <Bike> or confirmed anything, really
00:19:06 <kmc> 2 dead, 130 or so injured, some seriously, some not
00:19:35 <kmc> doesthiswork: yeah
00:19:50 <kmc> they're the british right wing anti immigrant propaganda tabloid
00:20:37 <elliott> i mean i know what is going on
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00:22:07 <kmc> also i guess shooting up a theater or an elementary school is not a 'terror strike' if it's done by white people
00:22:30 <Bike> do we even know if it's by white people
00:22:34 <Bike> like do we even know if it's by people
00:22:38 <kmc> robots O_O
00:22:43 <kmc> no i don't think anyone knows
00:24:35 <Sgeo> NY Post put out some BS information, didn't they?
00:24:45 <kmc> they are shit too
00:24:48 <lambdabot> fizzie said 18h 10m 13s ago: TANK U
00:25:15 <Bike> man this site is enterprise as shit but they made a dragonfly so i really want to read it
00:25:24 <Bike> http://www.festo.com/rep/en_corp/assets/pyramide_layout_und_freisteller_500px.jpg agh
00:25:38 <doesthiswork> so I had an idea, what if functions only took named arguments but when they returned, they created variables to hold their return values. It'd be just like using a package and exporting some things from a package. If any of the variables they tried to create already existed it would be a compile time error.
00:26:26 <Bike> Advanced Technologies
00:27:58 <kmc> doesthiswork: interesting
00:28:04 <kmc> what if you, like, want to call the same function twice
00:28:30 <kmc> seems like the caller should specify the return variable names, and then it's more like pattern matching / destructuring bind
00:29:04 <kmc> also, only taking named arguments doesn't seem relevant, until you do a CPS transform, at which point it's kind of elegantly dual
00:29:12 <doesthiswork> you can also choose to only import certain names, or not to import certain names
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00:30:32 <oerjan> cerebral programming style
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00:33:09 <Jafet> Cigar passing style
00:34:08 <kmc> cigar puffing style
00:34:52 <kmc> being angry that the Daily Mail sucks is like being angry that piss tastes bad
00:35:40 <Bike> http://25.media.tumblr.com/a569e1a271d960682bd6bbc784b67680/tumblr_mlbhcoRios1r4o8jvo1_500.jpg seriously fuck
00:35:52 <kmc> it's owned by news corp / murdoch
00:36:02 <kmc> Bike: yeah...
00:37:01 <kmc> his excuse was "Sarcasm, idiot."
00:37:10 <kmc> "Rush proceeded to address his critics on Twitter with a series of profane responses"
00:37:13 <kmc> really doubling down
00:37:28 <Bike> i was actually saying we should /create/ all muslims
00:37:31 <Bike> keep up stupid
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00:43:23 <Bike> yeah ok this guy is seriously angering me. someone tell me a thing that isn't terrible
00:44:08 <kmc> http://marginalrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Violence-Stylized-2.png
00:44:21 <Bike> "with the aim of improving the functionality of technical systems" because this isn't doing it
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00:44:29 <Bike> oh that's pretty good
00:44:40 <kmc> http://marginalrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Homicide-Table.png
00:44:44 <Bike> that's like, per thousand?
00:44:57 <kmc> that's per 100,000
00:45:06 <kmc> i don't know how this factors in war
00:45:12 <quintopia> espresso brownie sundae with bacon on top
00:45:14 <kmc> and genocide
00:45:14 <shachaf> can we have a second graph for epa
00:45:18 <Bike> I don't think war is usually counted as homicide
00:45:22 <kmc> the intentional death rate in europe 1936-1945 was very high
00:45:40 <Bike> shachaf: environmental protection agency?
00:45:54 <kmc> shachaf: don't get got
00:45:55 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc, why are there so many estimates for the 17th century??
00:46:31 <Bike> do they often kill people
00:46:57 <kmc> killing the american small business</fox_news>
00:49:28 <Sgeo> I... at first I thought the large text was sarcasm
00:49:36 <Sgeo> I didn't read the tweet at the top of the image
00:49:53 <Bike> welcome to twitter, i guess
00:50:14 <shachaf> welcome to the internet and/or world and/or people
00:50:35 <kmc> welcome to languages which are read from top to bottom
00:50:49 <Bike> welcome to boustrephedons
00:50:59 <kmc> and he claims it was sarcasm
00:51:13 <Bike> apparently he "recently predicted Obama will have Christians declared mentally ill and ship them off to asylums" which would make him about as cogent as jack chick
00:51:53 <Sgeo> Oh, apparently it ...was sarcasm?
00:51:54 <Sgeo> "Hypothesis proven: Libs responding to "kill them all" sarcasm neglect fact that their precious Islamists say the same about us EVERY DAY."
00:52:04 <oerjan> <elliott> fizzie: doesn't eliot.png look like the face of someone you can trust <-- excuse me but that person clearly has a goatee.
00:52:08 <elliott> the kind of sarcasm where you actually mean it
00:52:27 <elliott> oerjan: observe the beautiful goateeless https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13786158/portraits/el-op.png
00:52:45 <Bike> Sgeo: see it's sarcasm because what he actually meant is to go back in time and create all of them.
00:53:10 <shachaf> elliott: um, i see a goatee
00:53:17 <Bike> is it true that elliott is good with kids
00:53:34 <kmc> when will they stop persecuting christians in this country?!?!? christians only make up 87% of congress and every president ever and most heads of big businesses and anyone else with power
00:53:51 <elliott> kmc: those are reptiles. technically reptiles cannot be christian
00:54:13 <kmc> yeah that's leviticus 9:17
00:54:18 <kmc> n.b. have not read leviticus
00:54:38 <Jafet> kmc: you must be christian then
00:54:38 <Bike> i'm pretty sure there's actually a clause to the effect of "snakes? fuck 'em" in there, at least
00:54:42 <Sgeo> It's possible to persecute a majority. But it's pretty blatantly not the case here
00:55:03 <kmc> Sgeo: yeah, it tends not to happen as much in representative democracies though
00:55:16 <oerjan> Bike: pretty close to the beginning, i recall
00:55:40 <kmc> also some of the presidents were secret deists
00:55:48 <Bike> wel that's just that particular serpent
00:55:57 <Bike> kmc: s/secret/wrote and published books about it/fuck grammar
00:56:18 <shachaf> how do they come up with the english names and/or pronunciations of the bible
00:56:20 <Bike> it's pretty nice that that tripoli treaty was specifically like "yeah no moslems are ok"
00:56:34 <Bike> shachaf: thousands of years of illiteracy
00:57:45 <shachaf> Such is an illiterate Earth.
00:57:47 <oerjan> <Sgeo> It's possible to persecute a majority. But it's pretty blatantly not the case here <-- see: Ngo Dinh Diem
00:57:48 <shachaf> illiterra see, illiterra do
00:58:07 <Bike> or rather hear because they can't see language? i guess?
00:58:08 <kmc> it is amusing that meddling in the middle east was literally the first US foreign military action
00:58:14 <kmc> it's a proud tradition of ours
00:58:24 <Bike> hmm, is tunisia the "middle east"
00:58:43 <Bike> i guess they coulda been half-berber
00:58:45 <Bike> islamic, anyway
00:58:52 <Bike> err half-arab*
00:59:23 <kmc> 'Some 98% of modern native Tunisians are from a sociological, historical and genealogical standpoint mainly of Arab and Arab-Berber descent, but the overwhelming majority simply identify themselves today as Arabs'
00:59:29 <kmc> dunno about in the 18th century
00:59:37 <Bike> well yeah, today, i'm kinda curious about back then though.
00:59:49 <Bike> i guess they probably have been arabized for a while now
01:01:04 <kmc> the Umayyad Caliphate conquered most of north africa
01:01:23 <kmc> and some of spain
01:01:32 <elliott> the keys just typed themselves
01:01:36 <Bike> elliott: i laughed. help.
01:01:39 <kmc> the keys are practically next to each other
01:01:42 <Bike> kmc: yeah that's what i was thinking. it's been a while.
01:02:03 <Bike> anyway they were fairly poor and also brown so foreign policy jokes go
01:03:05 <kmc> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/The_world_in_750_CE.PNG
01:04:03 * Phantom_Hoover tries to remember what that one empire that had, like, some crazy fraction of the human population was
01:04:12 <Bike> that'd be a lot of them
01:04:27 <Bike> wikipedia has a list, i think the highest percentagewise was the achaemids (spoiler: i misspelled this)
01:04:43 <Bike> 40.something%, i think
01:05:01 <kmc> was japan actually that unified in 750 ce
01:05:16 <Bike> Yeah, that woulda been before warring states, at least
01:05:23 <Bike> also more bombing news from britain http://i.imgur.com/CBSSGlDh.jpg
01:05:35 <kmc> a classy publication
01:05:36 <Phantom_Hoover> "The Nara period (710–784) of the 8th century marked the emergence of a strong Japanese state, centered on an imperial court in Heijō-kyō (modern Nara). "
01:06:21 <Bike> srivijaya's lookin' pretty sweet too
01:06:32 <Phantom_Hoover> Bike, i like how there's a clear progression of actual news, SEX, PAEDOS
01:07:06 <Bike> this reminds me how little we know about the songhay
01:07:23 <Bike> wait i meant ghana. argh
01:07:44 <kmc> these maps often make kinda arbitrary distinctions
01:07:57 <kmc> i don't know how centralized power was in the umayyad caliphate
01:08:15 <Bike> "The Songhai are thought to have settled at Gao as early as 800 CE, but did not establish it as the capital until the 11th century, during the reign of Dia Kossoi. " accurate map
01:08:39 <kmc> also africa on that map...
01:08:43 <kmc> basically 'some africans lived here'
01:08:54 <Bike> well i mean, to be fair
01:09:03 <Bike> look up the ghana empire. we know like, their name. that's about it
01:09:08 <kmc> russia sort of the same
01:09:17 <kmc> i don't know why the finns and the slavs and such don't get colored blobs
01:09:22 <kmc> maybe they didn't have a military or something
01:09:25 <kmc> but the magyars get a blob!
01:09:28 <Bike> fuck the baltics weren't even christianized yet
01:09:36 <kmc> were they all vikings or something
01:09:54 <Bike> oh man "bantus"
01:09:58 <Bike> just kinda there
01:10:09 <Bike> "Turkic Peoples"
01:10:20 <Bike> you don't even get an ethnicity, you get a meta-ethnicity
01:11:06 <Bike> it's pretty hard to make borders though
01:11:16 <Bike> like i know a bit about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala_(Southeast_Asian_political_model), you have to be really gradual
01:11:27 <Bike> you could have a town that is technically in three different "empires"
01:11:42 <oerjan> <+Bike> elliott: i laughed. help. <-- how sad, now you're both going to be killed by terrorists right?
01:12:10 <Bike> wow i... don't actually know how the turks ended up in turkey, now that you mention it.
01:12:29 <mnoqy> shachaf, Fiora: i finished my self-potrait of Fiora
01:12:31 <mnoqy> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13786158/portraits/fiora.png
01:12:51 <Bike> mnoqy: nailed it
01:12:52 <kmc> Bike: interesting link
01:13:19 <shachaf> Fiora: look at mnoqy's self portrait of you, it's good
01:13:55 <elliott> i like how all of mnoqy's portraits are a standardised size
01:14:02 <mnoqy> it's the gimp default
01:14:15 <Bike> kmc: i have a book on the history of burma. it's pretty crazy. there are maps that use marching time as their metric because the terrain is so impassable
01:14:17 <shachaf> that size looks more like..........landscape to me
01:14:30 <mnoqy> Phantom_Hoover: next, probably
01:14:35 <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: you're not cool enough for a self portrait
01:15:07 <Bike> if you were better than fiora why does she have one more portrait than you?
01:15:14 <Bike> come on, man, we weren't born yesterday.
01:15:48 <shachaf> when you earn five stars you can trade them in for a star
01:16:46 <shachaf> did i "misinterpret" that self portrait
01:16:57 <shachaf> because i though that gray thing on the left was an elephant
01:17:13 <shachaf> but now it looks like it might be intended to be a cat tail instead of a trunk . . . . . .
01:17:27 <mnoqy> it's a cat with a rose for a head. science has gone too far.
01:17:40 <shachaf> just asked a question and answered it in the same irc session
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01:21:12 <Bike> "Turkic peoples and related groups migrated west from Turkestan and what is now Mongolia towards Eastern Europe, Iranian plateau and Anatolia and modern Turkey in many waves." this is unhelpful
01:21:41 <elliott> Bike: your connection sucks
01:21:47 <Bike> yeah it does :<
01:22:01 <oerjan> <+Bike> wow i... don't actually know how the turks ended up in turkey, now that you mention it. <-- they conquered it hth
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01:23:09 <elliott> this is why you should use a bouncer. then you can be cool and have an IPv6 address
01:23:13 <elliott> that is at least 20% of the reason I use one
01:23:19 <kmc> that seems unrelated
01:23:24 <elliott> just call me 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd
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01:23:37 <elliott> kmc: well since it is not the future, my home internet connection does not support ipv6
01:24:02 <kmc> e111:077a:1337:h4x0r:
01:24:26 <kmc> also what ever happened to IPv5?!?!? there's something the federal reserve isn't telling us
01:24:43 <Bike_> oh moldova has an autonomous turkish area
01:25:10 <elliott> apparently i am connected to a server in lithuania
01:25:25 <elliott> i think i have known exactly one person to live in lithuania ever
01:25:29 <elliott> so i'm not convinced it exists...
01:25:48 <kmc> the intercity bus in lithuania was pretty nice and had a seatback entertainment system powered by android, full of pirated music and movies
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01:26:33 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: somewhere in europe
01:26:35 <kmc> looks like this thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Stream_Protocol is de facto IPv5
01:26:38 <elliott> like everywhere else you don't know where it is
01:26:42 <Bike> Phantom_Hoover: it's baltic.
01:26:54 <kmc> "The protocol was notable for introducing the concepts of... a talkspurt"
01:27:07 <Bike> which, if you don't remember, means in that area in the north of russia's garbage heap
01:27:47 <kmc> it's next to poland and belarus and latvia and kaliningrad
01:27:49 <Bike> man i forgot that moldova has a major soviet party
01:28:00 <kmc> oh moldova.....
01:28:09 <kmc> it's basically the former soviet part of romania right
01:28:29 <kmc> our romanian guidebook had a short section on moldova that basically said "don't go to moldova, why would you go to moldova"
01:28:39 <Bike> "Another communist party was founded in 2012, the Communist Party of Moldova (2012) (CPM), which claims that the PCRM isn't actually communist but social democratic." not hardcore enough
01:28:49 <kmc> needs more hammers and/or sicles
01:29:11 <Bike> kmc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PCRM_logo.png you don't understand.
01:29:30 <kmc> that looks like an icon from a 1990s desktop application
01:29:43 <shachaf> U+1F490 COMBINING SICKLE TO THE LEFT; U+1F491 COMBINING HAMMER TO THE RIGHT
01:29:47 <kmc> COMMUN~1.EXE
01:29:51 <Bike> but yeah moldova also has a part in the east that's separatist and sort of ruled by the russians
01:29:56 <Bike> very georgia, maybe
01:30:01 <kmc> sucks / not surprising
01:30:20 <kmc> oh because ukraine is in the way and is much more western aligned
01:30:31 <kmc> that's trouble
01:31:18 <kmc> also since i'm looking at a map of russia: the road system is impressively hub-and-spoke around moscow
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01:43:22 <Bike> kmc: what about the rails?
01:44:35 <kmc> don't know
01:44:46 <kmc> here is a 1910 map of US railroads though: http://etc.usf.edu/maps/pages/2000/2090/2090.htm
01:45:21 <kmc> (and steamships)
01:45:33 <Bike> it looks like skin
01:46:16 <oerjan> shachaf: I AM DISAPPOINT
01:46:38 <oerjan> (http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f490/index.htm)
01:47:09 <shachaf> oerjan: Sorry. Should I have picked U+1F494?
01:48:12 <oerjan> well that or an _actual_ combining sickle, naturally.
01:49:01 <mnoqy> wow there are unicodde chafacters for yellow haeart and purple haert
01:50:04 <Lumpio-> Neither of them look purple nor yellow
01:50:33 <oerjan> i'm sure there are some characters that people put in new charsets just to mess with the unicode people.
01:51:07 <elliott> mnoqy: probably from emoji
01:51:25 <Bike> hm this book doesn't have a list of figures. there is no god
01:51:52 <oerjan> Bike: i think that's a little strict judgement of god even by my standards.
01:52:14 <Bike> look, i read the bible once, i think i know what i'm talking about
01:52:22 <mnoqy> the whole bible????
01:52:37 <Bike> always and forever
01:52:41 <kmc> oh this is the train pic i was looking for before http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/beach/fig18-27.jpg
01:52:53 <shachaf> um the bible isn't a book Bike it's a metaphor
01:52:54 <mnoqy> was it any good. a good read.
01:53:17 <Bike> Not really, no
01:53:24 <kmc> the bible isn't a book, it's like somebody stapled together a bit of a legal code, a phone book, some erotic poetry, and a fantasy novel
01:53:26 <Bike> kmc: light rail
01:53:32 <kmc> and then said 'here this is all very important'
01:53:51 <Bike> that's the phone book
01:54:11 <Bike> tbh i think the bible could have used more erotic poetry
01:54:17 <oerjan> shachaf: i think you can read metaphors if you use the right drugs
01:54:17 <elliott> you just mean it's not a novel
01:54:33 <shachaf> oerjan: does deconstructing them count
01:54:33 <Bike> well it's also divided into books.
01:54:51 <shachaf> the bible, book 4: the bible
01:55:02 <Bike> I already made a joke about Aczel sets and the bible sorry
01:55:10 <mnoqy> where does "bible" appear
01:55:16 <kmc> The Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower
01:55:26 <Bike> ironically the character of the bible never appears in the bible
01:55:47 <Bike> she's in the talmud though, iirc
01:55:58 <elliott> movie of the bible where they say "isn't this some kind of... bible?" at a critical moment
01:56:03 <elliott> and everyone in the audience cheers
01:59:41 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_work#Lost_texts_referenced_in_the_Old_Testament fuck, i forgot how many books the bible talks about
01:59:46 <Bike> and none of them are the bible!
02:00:31 <elliott> The Acts of Solomon is a lost text that may have been written by the Biblical prophet Iddo, who was the author of other lost texts. The book is described in 1Kings 11:41, where it reads: "And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon?"
02:00:58 <Bike> is this new to you elliott
02:01:04 <Bike> old books are /really/ repetitive
02:01:09 <elliott> If you liked The Bible, why not check out: The Acts of Solomon? Featuring all the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom!
02:01:18 <Bike> ok that was pretty good
02:01:18 <elliott> it's like they put an ad in the middle of the bible
02:01:36 <Bike> "Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?" i'm seeing a pattern here
02:01:54 <Bike> is it possible that the authors of the bible were actually huge shills
02:01:55 <elliott> this book isn't nearly commercial enough
02:02:01 <elliott> can you put a bunch of product placement for our other books in
02:02:21 <Bike> "Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually." i'm pretty sure they just cutpasted this shit in
02:02:23 <elliott> trying to push the Acts of Solomon to the soon-to-be-religious demographic right now
02:02:55 <Bike> just did some s/Solomon/Rehoboam/ and called it a day
02:02:56 <elliott> Bike: i like that P.S. there was war
02:03:20 <Bike> well it's the old testament
02:03:25 <Bike> "PS there was war" is basically implied
02:04:42 <Bike> "The Acts of Solomon is a lost text that may have been written by the Biblical prophet Iddo, who was the author of other lost texts. " gotta feel sorry for that dude
02:05:04 <Bike> if you liked acts of solomon, why not read the acts of rehoboam? oh wait you can't they're gone
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02:05:42 <elliott> probably iddo really sucked and nobody wanted to presreve his books
02:05:48 <elliott> because he was boring and just wrote lists of everyone's acts
02:05:54 <elliott> and he died sad and alone :(
02:06:23 <Bike> focus groups didn't enjoy the Acts of Iddo
02:07:35 <kmc> hahaha that's great
02:08:36 <shachaf> mnoq: hey how about a self portrait of kmc
02:08:44 <Fiora> http://media.tumblr.com/d2108a4a121d07af135c4d1890c100c6/tumblr_inline_mkkcrro4ra1qz4rgp.png I like my adventure time self portrait
02:09:04 <shachaf> kmc: does mnoqy have permission to draw a self portrait of you "if it comes to that"
02:09:12 <Bike> yeah sure i have black wings, what of it punk
02:09:18 <kmc> self portrait away
02:09:21 <Bike> i wonder wht you'd make a pink sword out of...
02:09:22 <kmc> Fiora: nice
02:09:34 <Bike> magic? flowers? some kind of toxin
02:10:12 <Bike> "Book of Bai Ze (simplified Chinese 白泽图; pinyin: Bái Zé Tú). A guide to the forms and habits of all 11,520 types of supernatural creatures in the world, and how to overcome their hauntings and attacks, as dictated by the mythical creature, Bai Ze to the Yellow Emperor in the 26th century BCE." i think we're missing out, people.
02:10:41 <Fiora> http://media.tumblr.com/83c724dcca643c2efc6a029da862aca2/tumblr_inline_mg1lv9akWr1r9jirc.png and this one (I love these little things)
02:11:03 <Bike> i just can't get over the argyle
02:11:12 <elliott> i would like a self portrait of fungot
02:11:12 <fungot> elliott: berkely is in california distance yes, it shouldn't be that hard
02:11:19 <elliott> eventually mnoqy will start charging for these
02:11:28 <mnoqy> i should make a list of people to self-portrait
02:11:46 <elliott> i'd hang a mnoqy self-portrait on my wall
02:11:49 <mnoqy> alright. made a list
02:12:32 <shachaf> with a little checkmark next to my name
02:12:40 <Fiora> what's wrong with argyle :<
02:12:41 <mnoqy> you already got one!!! i can make you another if you want
02:12:49 <Bike> Fiora: nothing, i just always notice it.
02:12:55 <shachaf> wait i meant on the list of already done self portraits
02:12:56 * Bike likes wearing plaid
02:12:58 <mnoqy> this is a list of "todo" portraits
02:13:03 <Fiora> I have like an argyle sweater or two
02:13:08 <mnoqy> you're on the already done list, yes
02:13:08 <shachaf> but it would be "a big honour" if you made another one
02:13:14 <Bike> Fiora: also: i assume your hair actually goes past your feet
02:13:28 <Fiora> only on chibi-me :P
02:13:45 <Bike> in reality, fiora's hair sticks straight up
02:13:48 <elliott> irl my hair trails behind me, engulfing all in its wake
02:13:50 <Bike> for several feet
02:14:02 <shachaf> in reality Fiora is bold and daring
02:14:02 <elliott> whole families, buildings have been devoured by the onslaught of hair
02:14:16 <shachaf> Fiora: your self portrait is in the topic of your channel now
02:14:23 <Bike> my hair's like that too elliott. it's hard to find good conditioner
02:15:01 <Bike> hm the foundational text of that prechristian atheism thing is gone too. shame
02:15:26 <Fiora> irl my hair is... like. normal long straight black hair? <.<
02:15:44 <Bike> well, yes, it's just funny to imagine eraserhead!fiora
02:15:55 <elliott> Bike: i've been thinking about getting my hair cut but i'm worried that i may be unable to negotiate with a government to provide the necessary land to house the remains
02:16:25 <Bike> Hey, hey. Eraserhead was a great film.
02:16:32 <Bike> elliott: imo use force
02:16:41 <Bike> «Inventio Fortunata (also Inventio Fortunate, Inventio Fortunat or Inventio Fortunatae), "Fortunate, or fortune-making, discovery", is a lost book, probably dating from the 14th century, containing a description of the North Pole as a magnetic island (the Rupes Nigra) surrounded by a giant whirlpool and four continents.» what in the heck
02:17:00 <elliott> everyone thinks i have black hair but it is actually dark brown
02:17:02 <elliott> truly i am a tortured soul
02:17:25 <shachaf> help what colour is my hair
02:17:37 <shachaf> oops that extra u made that line not line up with elliott's line
02:17:40 <shachaf> therefore british spelling is false
02:17:41 <mnoqy> trick question; shachaf is actually bald
02:17:47 <Bike> "Greenland was first settled at the orders of King Arthur, whose army supposedly conquered the North Atlantic islands"???
02:17:54 <shachaf> mnoqy: did you see that picture the other day..............
02:18:04 <mnoqy> shachaf is rainbow
02:18:18 <shachaf> i posted a picture of me being bald in #-lens
02:18:26 <mnoqy> oh i didn't see that
02:18:41 <Fiora> when does dark brown hair become black? like, is there a line
02:18:49 <Bike> there are no boundaries anywhere.
02:19:02 <elliott> well i think it's fairly obviously brown if you like look closely at it
02:19:06 <shachaf> there is a line and it's receding
02:19:25 <elliott> hair colour is weird though
02:19:29 <elliott> also eye colour. everything is weird
02:19:35 <Fiora> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcsizoQl8s1r9b6l2o1_500.gif
02:19:49 <Bike> actual picture of fiora
02:20:00 <Bike> (have you considered: a comb)
02:20:00 <elliott> help i'm reading about human hair colour on wikipedia
02:20:19 <shachaf> elliott: uh there's no article for that on wikipedia
02:20:32 <shachaf> elliott: there's an article about human hair color though, maybe you're reading that
02:21:27 <elliott> "The hair color of mummies or buried bodies can change." ok
02:23:37 <Fiora> Bike: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v469/Jolteon/Avatar%20Requests/hyouka.gif fiora_and_bike.gif
02:25:12 <Bike> are we dancing
02:25:18 <shachaf> _The 35th of May_ (or _Conrad's Ride to the South Seas_), by Erich Kästner
02:25:19 <mnoqy> yes it's the "shake"
02:25:42 <Bike> it just looks like i'm shaking my head back and forth rhythmically
02:25:53 <Bike> fiora's rhythm is different though. this is a hard dance.
02:25:57 <mnoqy> you're being shaken/shook
02:26:02 <Bike> also i like how i look entirely boring.
02:26:12 <Fiora> (you're not actually boring)
02:26:19 <Bike> (i look boring)
02:26:25 <elliott> bicycles: the most boring species
02:26:38 <mnoqy> real bike has rainbow tassels and a ringy bell
02:26:41 <Bike> I'm just saying you could replace me with a tape recorder saying what I say and you wouldn't be missing anything
02:26:55 <Bike> well, i guess you'd be missing typing
02:26:58 <Fiora> but a tape recorder can't talk back
02:27:05 <Fiora> it doesn't have feelings :<
02:27:09 <Bike> No, see, the tape recorder knows everything you say in advance.
02:27:16 <Bike> Or well the thing that's taped does.
02:27:19 <mnoqy> it's from a science fiction
02:27:25 <Bike> I might not have thought this out sorry
02:27:47 <kmc> is it considered rude to ask a Bike how many gears they have
02:27:53 <kmc> is that like asking someone how big their ass is
02:28:10 <kmc> are fixies discriminated against in bike society
02:28:16 <Fiora> I'm not sure? I mean, having more gears is often considered better
02:29:00 <Fiora> yeah, fixed bikes really are discriminated against, from what I hear. the whole thing really grinds me gears
02:29:01 <Bike> fixies are kind of dumb but they often make up for it by sheer force of will
02:29:07 <Bike> they can be really skillful
02:29:29 <Bike> no, no, keep talking like a pirate.
02:29:41 <Fiora> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md103vVfUl1rks9x0o1_500.gif fiora and bike read papers.pdf.gif?
02:29:43 <mnoqy> i've heard praise of fixys by virtue of they're simpler to repair them yourself
02:29:45 <Bike> "The first draft of Thomas Carlyle's The French Revolution: A History was sent to John Stuart Mill, whose maid mistakenly burned it, " what, how did you...
02:30:01 <Bike> Fiora: we don't seem all that focused on the papers.
02:31:49 <kmc> mnoqy: yeah and less likely to break in the first place
02:32:09 <elliott> mnoqy: so they're called fixies because
02:33:06 <kmc> 'why the long face'
02:33:34 <Fiora> maybe it's related to the fact that he sounds kind of horse
02:33:51 <shachaf> what's the fixed point of a broken bicycle
02:34:16 <elliott> i wanted to say / why the long face
02:34:59 <Bike> "Several pages of the original screenplay for Werner Herzog's Aguirre, der Zorn Gottes were reportedly thrown out of the window of a bus after one of his football team-mates threw up on them."
02:36:04 <kmc> and maybe you don't need so many gears for flat city riding?
02:36:10 <kmc> but i can't really imagine riding without a freewheel
02:36:16 <kmc> you can't coast on a fixie.
02:36:55 <mnoqy> do they offer fixy+freewheel
02:37:03 <kmc> i dunno what it's called
02:37:06 <mnoqy> that'd be, like, a trike, right
02:37:06 <kmc> maybe just single-speed bike
02:37:26 <kmc> freewheel refers to the ratchet action on the rear wheel
02:37:39 <kmc> if the rear wheel is moving faster than the chain, it's not coupled to the chain
02:38:25 <mnoqy> hm i guess with a trike you don't even have that problem because you likely don't have a chain there in the first place
02:38:56 <Bike> we've been over this
02:39:22 <Bike> It's vestigial.
02:39:36 <shachaf> imo tell that third wheel to go away and stop being a third wheel
02:39:59 <Bike> no slurs, please
02:40:52 <Bike> Fiora: so are you watching that anime now or are you just infatuated with the protagonists and their lack of psychotic anime hair
02:41:16 <Fiora> umm she was just the character daki compared me to. or at least like, found a gif and was like "this is youuuuuuu"
02:41:37 <Fiora> I'm not sure I'd like it, it's kyoani <.< but
02:41:37 <Bike> yeah but you had two gifs!
02:41:48 <Fiora> yes I like, googled them
02:42:01 <Bike> sounds complicated
02:42:07 <Bike> @google hyouka hair gif
02:42:09 <lambdabot> http://www.donmai.us/posts/1180806
02:42:09 <lambdabot> Title: chitanda eru and oreki houtarou (hyouka) - Danbooru
02:42:21 <Fiora> I just gis'd 'filetype:gif eri hyouka'
02:42:32 <Bike> wow that actually worked.
02:42:37 <Fiora> I don't have amazing google-fu or something (is that what they call it?)
02:43:00 <Bike> he looks pretty out of it in this one though
02:43:09 <mnoqy> @google another hyouka hair gif
02:43:10 <lambdabot> http://www.donmai.us/posts/1180806
02:43:10 <lambdabot> Title: chitanda eru and oreki houtarou (hyouka) - Danbooru
02:43:19 <Fiora> I don't think google is wolfram alpha
02:43:31 <mnoqy> @google another (DIFFERENT) hyouka hair gif
02:43:33 <lambdabot> http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/hyouka%20ova
02:45:13 <Bike> apparently this guy can't smile
02:45:15 <Bike> perfect pick, fiora
02:46:00 <elliott> have you ever seen a bike smile
02:46:13 <elliott> if yes: where do you buy your bikes
02:46:21 <Fiora> h-he seems to be happy sometimes....
02:47:08 <mnoqy> http://elitechoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/joyrider-smile-cycle.jpg
02:47:16 <mnoqy> elite choice bike's
02:47:24 <Bike> http://25.media.tumblr.com/4806bc39c25f231a1d3f2902c41144ac/tumblr_mhplttabZ11rf0u54o1_500.gif "sure, water. whatever."
02:47:37 <Bike> elliott: i think monqy's got you here
02:48:18 <mnoqy> it has 2 smiles that's twice as happy as any person can ever be
02:48:39 <mnoqy> except for conjoined twins, maybe
02:48:45 <elliott> those smiles are going to get a headache when someone rides the bike
02:49:50 <shachaf> i used to think "siamese cats" meant two cats that were connected together
02:50:49 <Bike> 101 Dalmations was rather confusing.
02:51:10 <shachaf> oh no you thought that too??
02:51:15 <shachaf> what other things did you use to think
02:51:56 <shachaf> btw you're a native english speaker so we hold you to a higher standard
02:51:57 <Bike> I used to think that being experiencing being abducted by aliens was logically impossible, because they'd just make you forget everything, which would prevent the experience from ever being experienced.
02:52:54 <kmc> Bike: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3r8l4w/
02:52:55 <shachaf> I remember there were no questions.
02:53:16 <Bike> kmc: Yeah, see, now imagine that he's seven
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02:56:44 <shachaf> Answers, yes. There were answers to everything.
03:11:05 <oerjan> shachaf: did you get the proof to the riemann hypethosis plz
03:24:06 <oerjan> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Esoteric_programming_language&curid=53398&diff=550452129&oldid=547527561 confuses me, the summary says Wierd -> Weird but it's not actually changed. (and of course shouldn't be.)
03:27:53 <mnoqy> the expansion of bsg is "billing services group"
03:28:16 <Bike> battlestar galactica, i'm guessing
03:28:31 <mnoqy> that's only two words
03:28:44 <Bike> it's science fiction.
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03:29:17 <mnoqy> that just moves the initialism from BG to BS
03:29:31 <mnoqy> probably not an improvement
03:30:10 <coppro> http://fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=4076
03:30:19 <Bike> my usual state of being
03:30:47 <mnoqy> bgtbg "battlestar galactica the board game"
03:31:31 <mnoqy> probably this is one of those nerd things eh
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03:34:50 <oerjan> only spammers active on the wiki
03:35:05 <oerjan> (unsuccessfully, but still)
03:35:16 <elliott> would you like to sort it out
03:35:46 <oerjan> some day elliott will snap
03:36:55 <elliott> no, this is my post-snap state
03:37:59 <oerjan> i'm sorry, that cannot be correct, i'm still not an administrator
03:38:11 <elliott> and *I'm* still not an op.
03:38:20 <elliott> despite my attractive & well-designed campaign self-portrait
03:38:32 <oerjan> well ais523 hasn't commented on it yet
03:40:10 <elliott> i grudgingly accept your response
03:40:34 <elliott> that man can surely appreciate a good self-portrait
03:40:52 <oerjan> itt elliott goes overboard
03:42:34 <elliott> oerjan I've been over every board
03:50:29 <kmc> what kind of beer should i buy
03:51:14 <kmc> "QUESTION: What kind of bear is the best"
03:51:47 <Fiora> that's a really grizzly question
03:52:53 <oerjan> Fiora: no need polarizing this
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04:07:39 <kmc> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/USRail1835.jpg to get from Boston to DC in 1835 you'd take a train to Providence, a boat to New York, a train to Philadelphia, a boat to Wilmington, a train to Chesapeake Bay, a boat to Baltimore, and a train to DC
04:08:10 <Bike> could you just ride a horse
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04:08:35 <Fiora> riding a horse a long distance is pretty hard isn't it
04:08:42 <kmc> horses are slower than trains, this was determined empirically at some point
04:08:53 <Bike> ride... a bike
04:09:04 <kmc> Fiora: I think so; you need places to swap out fresh horses, or else further delay while your horse rests
04:09:07 <kmc> you also need to feed it
04:09:37 <Bike> i guess there were like horse rental places then
04:09:59 <oerjan> horses are easy if you just have due diligence
04:10:34 <kmc> yeah i'm not sure how it works to rent a horse
04:10:35 <Bike> "Festo is promoting this holistic system approach by ensuring that functional integration and the reduction of external interfaces are integrated into intelligent system solutions." help me
04:10:48 <kmc> in a situation where you won't be seen again for months
04:11:02 <elliott> you just wouldn't go from boston to dc
04:11:04 <kmc> you might need to put down substantial collateral
04:11:08 <elliott> because it'd be too much fucking work
04:11:10 <kmc> elliott: yes that would be the wisest course of action
04:11:20 <elliott> it's 1835 so probably there is nothing of interest in DC whatsoever really
04:11:25 <elliott> that might apply in 2013 too
04:11:31 <Bike> i bet travelogues of the period don't even mention this
04:11:42 <Bike> in the same way you don't mention every time you take a shit, i mean
04:11:46 <kmc> what if you're elected to congress though
04:11:53 <kmc> what a fucking chore that would be
04:12:12 <elliott> kmc: i like how that makes it sound as if it's something that could happen involuntary
04:12:19 <elliott> "oh shit, i've been elected to congress again"
04:12:34 <kmc> elliott: well lets see, the british had burned it down about 20 years prior
04:12:47 <Bike> "maybe i can get that fucking railroad thing working"
04:13:01 <Fiora> kmc: yeah, I'm remembering the whole pony express system now
04:13:34 <Bike> see they just say "horse and carriage" but that's not very fucking descriptive
04:13:34 <Fiora> (wasn't that, like, an early example of "startup that sounded really cool, but required a lot of infrastructure and ended up not making money despite being really cool)
04:13:50 <kmc> heh, maybe
04:13:57 <kmc> railroads were also like that a lot of the time
04:14:10 <Bike> i think i only know about the pony express at all from lot 49
04:14:12 <oerjan> elliott: hm i think you could theoretically get elected to the norwegian parliament against your will. not a smart move by the party to list you, but still...
04:14:14 <Bike> probably not a good source
04:14:41 <elliott> oerjan: that would be the best
04:14:41 <oerjan> (well, not "you" specifically here, since you're not a citizen.)
04:14:45 <Bike> Oh, maybe you could hire a coachman to take you
04:14:49 <elliott> it was better when i thought you meant even a non-citizen
04:15:21 <kmc> 'Included in that 20 pounds (9.1 kg) were a water sack, a Bible, a horn for alerting the relay station master to prepare the next horse, a revolver, and a choice of a rifle or another revolver.'
04:15:41 <kmc> this is my new packing list
04:15:57 <kmc> elliott: what if you have to hit something at range.....
04:16:06 <elliott> kmc: i can't hear you over the sound of having two revolvers
04:16:19 <Bike> then he ventriloquists the bullet by using the horn
04:16:32 <kmc> put the horn on the front of the revolver
04:16:34 <kmc> like a reverse silencer
04:16:35 <Bike> the wild west is basically like nethack right
04:16:45 <oerjan> <Bike> see they just say "horse and carriage" but that's not very fucking descriptive <-- i hear they go together like love and marriage.
04:17:11 <kmc> Fiora: wow I didn't know it operated for only 18 months
04:17:14 <Bike> http://www.festo.com/ someone help me find the fucking papers i can't find them through all the bullshit
04:17:32 <Bike> "Product innovation"
04:17:58 <kmc> oh, interrupted by civil war
04:19:04 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pony_Express_Poster.jpg i love this style where it's like USE EVERY FONT YOU HAVE
04:19:42 <Fiora> old-style advertising and posters are amazing
04:20:20 <pikhq_> The more fonts you have the better.
04:20:21 <Fiora> http://sciencebasedpharmacy.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/snake-oil-circa-1903.jpg
04:20:37 <Bike> What the fuck, a dollar? How much was, like, a loaf of bread?
04:20:47 <elliott> everything costed a dollar
04:20:48 <Bike> A dollar to ride a horse across the fucking country with your stupid mail
04:20:51 <coppro> it's far too easy for me to watch videos of parliament
04:20:57 <Fiora> Bike: I'd guess it's like $100+ nowadays?
04:21:08 <Bike> Fiora: the genuine article.
04:21:16 <kmc> http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi says $25.18
04:21:22 <Bike> still that's just surreal to imagine
04:21:26 <kmc> coppro: are they interesting
04:21:31 <Bike> was it subsidized?
04:21:38 <kmc> well they put a lot of letters on one pony
04:21:40 <Bike> (was anything subsidized, back then)
04:21:50 <coppro> kmc: well, it's parliament
04:21:52 <Fiora> it was like fedex overnight mail today
04:21:59 <Fiora> same sort of thing?
04:22:08 <Jafet> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Affiche_MrKite.jpg
04:22:19 <Bike> wait... ten days is all it took, huh.
04:22:35 <elliott> does anyone know what ordering relation on CPOs is used to form a CPO of CPOs
04:22:36 <Bike> I guess oregon trail stuff is based around moving a good deal slower
04:22:42 <elliott> (please interpret that question like I'm an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing)
04:22:55 <Bike> chief petty officer
04:22:56 <kmc> Bike: yeah cause you're hauling your whole house along in a bunch of stupid wagons
04:23:12 <pikhq_> Bike: The thing is, that's 10 days over a made road, going as fast as you can.
04:23:14 <kmc> don't forget stopping now and then to kill 900 pounds of buffalo
04:23:15 <Bike> it's just like i've been across the country on land and it wasn't ten days
04:23:27 <Bike> wait. actually it might have been. hm
04:23:42 <kmc> google says it's a 43 hour drive from NY to SF
04:23:43 <Bike> stupid "being ten and obsessed with mario" aspect
04:23:47 <pikhq_> Versus several months going over rough country in wagon train, just trying to fucking get there.
04:23:56 <kmc> that's with no stops
04:24:21 <pikhq_> kmc: We can install a catheter and an IV line with an amphetamine drip, right?
04:24:38 <kmc> cathether / just pee in a mcdonalds cup
04:24:46 <Bike> Fiora: oh man the snake oil ad has a testimonial. awesome
04:24:55 <Fiora> those kind of thing
04:24:57 <Fiora> they're so amazing
04:24:59 <Jafet> Can your car go for 43 hours
04:25:11 <kmc> it's pretty common to see plastic water bottles filled with what looks like pee lying in ditches at the side of the road
04:25:18 <kmc> gross but true
04:25:30 <pikhq_> Jafet: If I steal the Prius. :P
04:25:37 <Bike> well there's a good chance it's just wildlife'd
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04:26:10 <Bike> also i went back and checked the burma book i mentioned, it claims on flat ground a healthy person can walk 25 km in six hours a day
04:26:39 <kmc> says they would carry 20 pounds of letters on a horse, which comes out to $16,000 in 2012 dollars
04:26:50 <pikhq_> Bike: That seems a bit low actually.
04:27:05 <kmc> is that for an indefinite number of days?
04:27:22 <Bike> Indefinite number of days, also assuming military grouping and, I assume, supply lines
04:27:32 <kmc> carrying loads of stuff?
04:27:44 <pikhq_> I was just gonna say, "... I... walk faster than that"
04:27:50 <coppro> kmc: but seriously, I could download like the entire proceedings of parliament since September '09
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04:28:02 <Bike> coppro: sounds like a fun weekened
04:28:14 <kmc> get drunk and watch parliament on 9 screens at once
04:28:19 <kmc> also whose parliament
04:28:38 <Bike> pikhq_: yeah, obviously there's going to be a difference between one driven person and a bunch of disinterested soldiers
04:29:38 <Bike> hm, wolfram says at that speed it'd be 166 days to get from NYC to san fran as the crow flies
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04:29:45 <pikhq_> Soldiers carrying a shit-ton no less.
04:30:23 <Bike> It might also be factoring in pillaging time, i dunno
04:30:24 <pikhq_> Weight makes rather a huge difference.
04:31:10 <Bike> also estimated from the topography that in a particular part of eastern burma, the topography would reduce it to 50 km in 3 days
04:31:19 <Bike> good sentence. yes. good construction
04:33:45 <kmc> what's this book about burma about
04:34:28 <Bike> People outside the states and empires, basically.
04:34:52 <Bike> it's titled "The Art of Not Being Governed: An Anarchist History of Upland Southeast Asia" but i swear it's not idiotic
04:35:20 <Bike> anyway so that means factors like how effectively a state could control an area come into play, etc
04:40:16 <kmc> does it cover through the colonial and communist era too
04:41:12 <Bike> No, it's premodernity, which is one of the reasons I like it (it doesn't get bogged down in political sniping, i mean)
04:41:27 <Bike> it offhandedly mentions things like KMT holing up in burmese mountains, though
04:42:11 <Bike> part of the thesis is also that colonial things like telegrams and trains make it easier to exert state power.
04:43:05 <kmc> seems likely
04:43:12 <kmc> the british built a shit-ton of railways in india
04:43:26 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_at_the_China%E2%80%93Burma_border (the CIA was involved, i'm sure you're shocked)
04:46:05 <kmc> not so many trains got built in africa though
04:46:53 <kmc> http://mappery.com/maps/World-Railways-Map.png
04:46:55 <Bike> I seem to remember from history class that the brits were kind of pissed about not getting a continuous route from the north to south africa during the great game
04:47:14 <Bike> Is that modern railways?
04:47:26 <kmc> i think that's current yeah
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04:48:14 <kmc> didn't know cuba has such a rail network
04:49:05 <Bike> huh, "the graveyard of empires" is an established nickname for afghanistan. that's pretty badass
04:49:51 <Bike> http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/images/afri1914.gif Yeah, you can see the Germans had a block on British pathways.
04:50:12 <mnoqy> the nursing home of empires
04:50:33 <mnoqy> the playground of empires
04:50:36 <mnoqy> the playpen of empires
04:50:45 <Bike> I still love that Ethiopia is just chilling.
04:50:49 <mnoqy> some more bad-ass names
04:50:53 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Liemba
04:50:55 <Bike> Colonialism. Psh.
04:51:26 <kmc> the germans and the british shipped some boats to Lake Tanganyika by road and rail so that they could have naval battles there
04:52:19 <Bike> ...what, it's a working ship dating from the kaiser
04:52:35 <kmc> also in 1917 the germans attempted to resupply German East Africa by zeppelin
04:52:39 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin_LZ_104
04:52:58 <kmc> 'Because it would be impossible to resupply the airship with hydrogen gas upon its arrival in Africa, it was planned that no return trip would be made. Instead, it was projected that every part of the ship be cannibalized for use by Lettow-Vorbeck's bush army. The outer envelope would be used for tents, muslin linings would be bandages, duralumin framework would be for wireless towers, and so on.'
04:53:05 <kmc> that's fucking badass
04:53:39 <elliott> "how would you like to go to africa forever"
04:53:52 <Bike> i believe that was the basic premise of colonialism
04:54:51 <Bike> "The crew also suffered from headaches, hallucinations and general fatigue in the mid-day heat and freezing cold at night." this sounds ripe for a film adaptation
04:55:13 <mnoqy> i probably wouldn't want to go to africa forever
04:55:36 <mnoqy> have you all heard of that silly mars thing? now that's some pop culture i can get into
04:56:03 <Bike> like... the planet?
04:56:07 <elliott> do you mean the fake thing
04:56:30 <Bike> I'm pretty sure Mars exists.
04:57:24 <kmc> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/The_End_of_the_%27Baby-Killer%27.png
04:57:55 <mnoqy> Yes it is! Mars One has been working on this project in secret since January of 2011. It has taken us until May 2012 to expose it publicly because we are then certain of its technical feasibility and means of finance.
04:57:59 <mnoqy> "totally not a hoax, guys"
04:58:09 <kmc> sounds legit
04:58:30 <elliott> anyway looking at the wp article there's enough people who are "real people" involved that i guess it probably isn't a hoax
04:58:37 <elliott> instead it can just be impractical
04:59:43 <mnoqy> Chris Welch, director of Masters Programs at the International Space University has said "Even ignoring the potential mismatch between the project income and its costs and questions about its longer-term viability, the Mars One proposal does not demonstrate a sufficiently deep understanding of the problems to give real confidence that the project would be able to meet its very ambitious schedule."
04:59:50 <mnoqy> Space tourist Richard Garriott stated in response to Mars One, "Many have interesting viable starting plans. Few raise the money to be able to pull it off."
04:59:57 <mnoqy> man, how would you like to be a space tourist
05:00:12 <mnoqy> international space university!!!!
05:00:19 <mnoqy> it's like we're in the future. the space future
05:01:06 <elliott> it's kind of a shame space is unpleasant and awful
05:01:17 <elliott> really takes the appeal out
05:01:28 <Bike> "The protagonist of O Olho de Hertzog, a 2010 novel by João Paulo Borges Coelho, set in post-WWI Mozambique, arrives in Africa by jumping from the airship in a parachute."
05:02:08 <Bike> what the shit, a permanent mars settlement by '23
05:02:28 <mnoqy> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Mars_Excursion_Module.jpg Artist's conception of the Mars Excursion Module (MEM) proposed in a NASA Study in 1963.
05:02:35 <Bike> "A global reality-TV media event is intended to provide most of the funds to finance the expedition. It should begin with the astronaut selection process (with some public participation) and continue on through the first years of living on Mars" you sure this isn't a joke
05:02:56 <kmc> sucks to be halfway to mars and then the dodgy startup sending you goes into receivership
05:02:59 <elliott> they had some real low quality green screen video thing on their website like a year or two ago
05:03:05 <elliott> it was really hoax-looking then
05:03:48 <Jafet> I think if you take money from people (or investors), it can be called a scam
05:04:35 <mnoqy> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Mars_mission.jpg artist's life on mars, circa 1989
05:04:53 <mnoqy> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Manndmissiononmarsnasa.jpg cgi invented by 2009
05:05:23 <kmc> oh man! look at those cavemen go, it's the freakiest show
05:05:42 <Bike> So... why do they want to do this
05:05:57 <Jafet> mnoqy: "in the past 20 years, we've learned that mars vehicles need good suspension systems"
05:06:34 <kmc> all these people are just standing around like 'welp we're on mars now'
05:07:11 <kmc> 'guess i'll stand next to that tower of varying size spheres'
05:07:13 <mnoqy> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Concept_Mars_colony.jpg this one's pretty cute
05:08:02 <kmc> hydroponic technology will provide our mars astronauts with the dankest bud imaginable
05:08:15 <Jafet> What is it with all the blue jumpsuits
05:08:21 <kmc> oh they have a solar thermal energy tower, that's cool
05:08:33 <Jafet> I guess only instituted people would want to go to mars
05:08:38 <Bike> mnoqy: is that supposed to be a computer that spacenaut's holding
05:08:58 <Bike> "Wired Magazine gave it a plausibility score of 2 out of 10 as part of their 2012 Most Audacious Private Space Exploration Plans"
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05:11:12 <kmc> does mars have radiation protecting belts
05:11:16 <Bike> meanwhile the International Space University includes "Lectures covering all major disciplines related to space, with corresponding workshops and roundtables," and "Specific skills training"
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05:11:30 <kmc> looks like no
05:11:40 <Bike> "IDEAS for Africa: Identifying and Developing Effective Applications of Space for Africa"
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05:12:13 <kmc> that's a bad backronym and they should feel bad
05:13:21 <Bike> imo we should make AFRICA an acrony
05:13:42 <mnoqy> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/TerraformedMars.jpg artists went kind of crazy on this one
05:14:13 <elliott> A Friendly Real Imaginary Crap Africa
05:14:25 <mnoqy> just like real real africa
05:16:25 <Bike> anyway i'm gonna check out these IDEAS to see what's up
05:16:33 <Bike> The report identifies new ways in which innovations from the space industry could enhance the lives of Africans. It focuses in particular on South Africa, Morocco and Liberia and evaluates the impact, distribution and utilization of spinoff technologies, satellite applications and space business potentials in improving the socio-economic development of these countries.
05:17:01 <mnoqy> astronaut ice cream
05:17:23 <mnoqy> clearly the greatest innovation from the space industry
05:17:32 <Bike> oh jesus this is 164 pages
05:17:47 <Bike> with smiling africans and an elephant on the cover i dunno if i can handle this
05:17:58 <mnoqy> is it a space elephant
05:18:07 <mnoqy> are there cartoon rockets
05:18:09 <mnoqy> are there real rockets
05:18:19 <Bike> btw all the projects have names like this. FERTILE Moon: Feasibility of Extraction of Resources and Toolkit for in-situ Lunar Exploration
05:18:37 <Bike> "Human Missions to Europa and Titan – Why not?"
05:19:05 <Bike> MISSION: Multi-mission Innovative Space System for an Information Optimized Network
05:19:19 <Bike> "A new term for the integrated systems needed to support a human society on Mars, is presented. The potential applications of nontraditional and oftentimes controversial methods are examined to support the settlement of Mars. Specifically, the authors focus on the integration and application of advanced technologies in fields like genetic engineering, biotechnology, robotics and terraforming, before the end of the century." it's just like my a
05:19:47 <mnoqy> it's just like your a[cuts off but i'm guessing you meant "animes" that's what they all say i can assure you]
05:20:59 <Bike> Hm, there are actual Africans involved. That's good.
05:21:25 <mnoqy> are you sure they're not fake africans
05:21:45 <Bike> "Nzekwe" seems pretty legit
05:22:30 <Bike> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/ISU_SSP12_poster.jpg
05:23:01 <mnoqy> whoa is that a cape
05:26:09 <kmc> in two weeks i get to vote in a \rainbow{SPECIAL ELECTION}
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05:27:00 <mnoqy> what makes it special
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05:27:16 <Bike> i wonder if this cyborg paper is going to be like the original cyborg paper
05:27:59 <mnoqy> half robot, half paper
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05:33:13 <Bike> "However, human beings thrive on challenges, especially seemingly impossible ones! Hence, to dismiss the idea of terraforming a planet - at some point in the distant future - may be akin to dismissing mankind's genius for conquering the apparently impossible." why is every space thing like this
05:33:39 <Bike> "Terraforming from a Buddhist perspective" nevermind, this paper is awesome
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05:35:41 <Bike> holy shit they have a "list of acronyms"
05:35:47 <Bike> two pages long
05:36:08 <kmc> i read "Humans as a Meme?"
05:36:11 <mnoqy> aliencyborgs.com apparently a nerd site
05:36:33 <Bike> anyway this has multiple sections on modifying the lymphatic system somehow, i'm actually interested
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05:38:56 <mnoqy> i get lots of cyborg spam, yes
05:39:06 <Bike> also wait, are you telling me people pay to get their doctoral theses written
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05:43:39 <kmc> they're really scraping the bottom of the listicle barrel
05:44:54 <Bike> "It was also found that terraforming has fully entered the scientific arena and that the question has shifted from whether terraforming is possible to whether it is moral, ethical, and legal" slow down there champ
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05:45:34 <Bike> Since the 1970’s, people have been writing fan fiction and organizing communities in which it could be shared. Many of these stories about characters swiped from television, movies, or other mass media revolve around queer erotic narratives. Captain Janeway and the cyborg Seven of Nine from the show Star Trek: Voyager have become a common lesbian pairing, part of the fan fiction explosion that occurred with the popularization of the internet
05:46:11 <Fiora> are you reading wikipedia's article on fanfiction? XD
05:46:25 <Bike> No, it's someone's thesis, monqy just linked it.
05:46:42 <Bike> Apparently it was accepted for credit.
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05:48:41 <Bike> elliott: i know
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05:49:29 <Bike> elliott: i still don't understand how it exists though
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05:54:25 <Bike> see often i kind of want to know more about cyborg theory and stuff
05:54:27 <Bike> but then this shit comes up
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05:55:31 <kmc> don't think i'd want to visit a place called Quarantine, Staten Island
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05:56:00 <kmc> satin island
05:56:03 <Bike> kmc: honestly pretty sure i'd go
05:56:37 <Bike> wait, was it like, for the old sense of quarantine? letting sailors hang out on the island for forty days before letting them in
05:56:49 <kmc> i don't know
05:56:52 <kmc> is that what they did
05:57:13 <Bike> that's the etymology of "quarantine".
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05:57:53 <Bike> "comparative planetology of an unprecedented nature"
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06:00:54 <mnoqy> Cyborg Athletes, Transhuman Ideals & Posthumanity. Abstract. This paper argues that transhumanism lacks persuasiveness because its futurological underpinnings are met with skepticism...
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06:03:12 <Bike> cyborgs. running roughshod over everything
06:04:04 <Bike> mnoqy can one of these papers help stop them
06:04:33 <mnoqy> maybe you can purchase an essay and/or dissertation about how cyborgs are totally lame
06:04:51 <mnoqy> and they'll sulk maybe?
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06:06:21 <mnoqy> most of these seem either to be about how cyborgs are great, how they raise ethical/feminism issues, or how everyone's a cyborg already soooooooooooo
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06:07:27 <mnoqy> i guess there was also that thesis about fanfiction, hm
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06:12:56 <Bike> Though Mars is much smaller than Earth, its land surface area is about the same because it lacks oceans. Although, a sea about the size of the North Sea on Earth may have recently been discovered.
06:13:29 <kmc> this channel gets p. weird sometimes
06:14:36 <Bike> is kmc an ocean?
06:18:30 <Bike> the biggest crater on phobos is called "Stickney" who came up with that
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08:37:05 <impomatic> There's a village near here (Boston) called Stickney. It has a massive car boot sale...
08:40:31 <fizzie> Phobos looks silly. Proper moons are rounder than that.
08:40:54 <fizzie> Esp. that Stickney is a giant dent.
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09:53:13 <fizzie> “Shklovsky's "Hollow Phobos" hypothesis”
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11:49:05 <elliott> ais523: <mnoqy> elliott: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13786158/portraits/el-op.png [...] <elliott> and *I'm* still not an op. <elliott> despite my attractive & well-designed campaign self-portrait <oerjan> well ais523 hasn't commented on it yet
11:49:12 <elliott> 100% most important issue of the decade imo
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11:49:39 <ais523> now you can spend the next half-hour trying to persuade me to click a link
11:50:27 <elliott> surely oerjan wanting you to see it for #esoteric-op-related-reasons is a good enough reason??
11:50:36 <elliott> it would be irresponsible *not* to click it
11:51:02 <ais523> no, he wanted me to /comment/ on it
11:51:43 <elliott> it's even more irresponsible to make an official comment pertaining to something about which you know nothing
11:52:39 <quintopia> make an unofficial comment ais523 and everyone will be happy
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11:53:10 <ais523> quintopia: I don't think elliott will be
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11:53:26 <quintopia> well, everyone that matters anyway
11:54:05 <elliott> ais523: actually, I would be perfectly content with you officially abstaining from comment!
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11:55:22 <ais523> PonyPonyPony: what happened to "Friendship"?
11:55:42 <shachaf> 19:56 <shachaf> Answers, yes. There were answers to everything.
11:55:44 <shachaf> 20:11 <oerjan> shachaf: did you get the proof to the riemann hypethosis plz
11:55:54 <shachaf> oerjan: the answer is no, hth
11:56:03 <shachaf> oerjan: (to your question, that is)
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12:37:25 <Deewiant> http://fatiherikli.github.io/brainfuck-visualizer/
12:37:54 <fizzie> The rounded-rectangle cursor is very Web 3.11.
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15:22:02 <boily> hello?... ello?... llo?... lo?... o?... ?...
15:22:35 <boily> I was worried it was disguise-a-channel-into-a-necropolis day.
15:22:45 <shachaf> There is only silence and some second-hand clothes.
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15:25:45 <HackEgo> Benat: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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15:35:40 * boily gives some silence and second-hand clothes to AnotherTest
15:35:56 <boily> it's disguise-a-channel-into-a-necropolis day.
15:39:47 * impomatic drops by to see if anyone's talking about Esoteric programming...
15:40:24 <AnotherTest> So I saw this brainfuck derivative today...
15:40:40 <boily> by the way, is that revolution 9 page still up?
15:40:41 <AnotherTest> and guess what? It was really similar to brainfuck.
15:41:31 <Fiora> if you take the integral of it, do you get the original bf?
15:42:43 <elliott> i think integrating BF gives you P''
15:42:54 <elliott> presumably after that you get P'
15:44:41 <Fiora> or maybe like, BF + C
15:50:13 <boily> ~eval pbkdf2 (Password . toOctets $ "SqueamishOssifrage") (Salt . toOctets $ "SodiumChloride")
15:50:17 <boily> ~eval pbkdf2 (Password . toOctets $ "SqueamishOssifrage") (Salt . toOctets $ "SodiumChloride")
15:50:18 <metasepia> HashedPass [153,223,66,43,11,145,124,27,21,143,224,136,15,148,19,93,41,143,166,153,21,156,110,56,133,78,212,67,244,70,109,40,186,158,145,197,139,35,109,117,38,43,77,154,159,169,67,234,38,249,19,255,114,142,197,243,177,67,91,161,223,115,48,218]
15:51:22 <AnotherTest> What happened to CaCl_2, I think that's cheaper
15:51:49 <boily> that's what's used in pickling.
15:52:31 <AnotherTest> it is? I though that was what they put on the roads?
15:53:03 <AnotherTest> But I guess it might be possible that they are both eatable
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15:54:29 <AnotherTest> "As an ingredient, it is listed as a permitted food additive in the European Union for use as a sequestrant and firming agent with the E number E509, and considered as generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.[8] The average intake of calcium chloride as food additives has been estimated to be 160–345 mg/day for individuals.[9]"
15:55:33 <boily> in bick's dill pickles: Cucumbers, water, white vinegar, salt, dehydrated garlic, calcium chloride, polysorbate 80, seasonings.
15:55:36 <boily> May contain mustard.
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16:03:31 <kmc> which hash is that
16:03:50 <kmc> and how many PBKDF2 iterations
16:03:52 <kmc> inquiring minds want to know
16:04:23 <kmc> if you make pickles with strange salts then you can't eat them, but you can electrocute them and they glow different colors
16:05:09 <kmc> it's not an octopus
16:06:42 <kmc> 'smaller cuttlefish will use their camouflage abilities to disguise themselves as a female cuttlefish... disguised males are able to swim past the larger guard male and mate with the female'
16:10:29 <Fiora> kmc: http://humon.deviantart.com/art/Sneaky-Cuttlefish-293754048
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16:21:39 <impomatic> Customer complaint: "If the price doesn't include shipping to America, why is your website written in American?" :-(
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16:27:52 <AnotherTest> template<class T, size_t Length, RandomPolicy = DefaultRandomPolicy>
16:28:57 <AnotherTest> I'd like a MarkovChain<std::string, 2, GammaDistribution>
16:29:17 <AnotherTest> I should add some more template parameters here and there
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16:33:14 <kmc> impomatic: :(
16:33:33 <kmc> AnotherTest: neat
16:33:53 <kmc> where does the distribution factor in?
16:34:13 <kmc> AnotherTest: if you want more template parameters then of course you need a way to specify a custom comparator and a custom allocator for T :3
16:34:15 <AnotherTest> well the intention was to make fun of policy based designs but I realized the idea is actually nice
16:34:48 <AnotherTest> class T, size_t Length, class RandomEngine = std::default_random_engine,
16:34:48 <AnotherTest> class RandomDistribution = std::uniform_int_distribution<size_t>
16:35:11 <AnotherTest> kmc: what about adding a parameter for the size type?
16:35:16 <kmc> clearly RandomDistribution should be a template template parameter
16:36:11 <AnotherTest> The problem is that the stdlib seems to not give the distribution as a template parameter to the engine?
16:37:30 <AnotherTest> I expected std::default_random_engine to be a template class but it wasn't
16:37:47 <boily> back from lunch. kmc: check the pbkdf2 package on hoogle.
16:38:16 <AnotherTest> meanwhile, I've made it a template template parameter
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17:10:20 <boily> “This bushy plant can grow bananas. Or are they banananas? Or bananananas? Some yellow curved thingies, at least.”
17:10:34 <Taneb> painted boomerangs
17:11:03 <Benat> sgnaremoob detniap
17:12:49 <boily> .PI emas eht morf ton era taneB dna benaT
17:13:08 <kmc> benat? ban it!
17:13:25 <FreeFull> http://dpaste.org/9fYxA/ Guess what this code does (assuming compiled with -threaded and ran with +RTS -N -RTS). Now guess what it does when you remove the threadDelays. No cheating by actually compiling it. BoundedChan is here: http://dpaste.org/x0Fh5/
17:13:39 <boily> a man, a plan, a canal, a taneb clone, Benat!
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17:13:42 <FreeFull> It's really a test on how well you know the scheduler
17:13:49 <Taneb> I win this round, Benat!
17:16:47 <Taneb> Probably ThatOtherPerson then
17:18:34 <boily> .ti no ydaerla m'I
17:22:48 <boily> it'll woggle a 'x', but how, I don't know. probably some amusing random pattern.
17:30:37 <Taneb> Also, I don't think Benat was a bot
17:30:42 <Taneb> it made a couple of mistakes
17:31:06 <Taneb> It said "hi" instead of "iH" at 15:23
17:31:18 <Taneb> And if you assume that it swaps \ and /
17:31:41 <Taneb> it said "\quit" instead of "\qiut" at 1713
17:32:24 <FreeFull> Since nobody responded to my puzzle, what happens is that with the delay, the threads tend to alternate, sometimes one of the threads executing twice
17:32:55 <FreeFull> Without the delays, the thread that executes is always the thread that executed last time, except when it hits the limit, where it switches to the other thread
17:33:54 <FreeFull> Without delays, one of the threads would completely starve the other
17:34:26 <FreeFull> Actually, what I'm going to do is modify the program to check if that happens
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17:49:14 <PonyPonyPony> Oh boy! The owner of extrawww.com wants to sell it to me for some unspecified 4-figure value.
17:50:58 <boily> PonyPonyPony: are you Gregor?
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18:37:45 <Taneb> I quite enjoy the most recent Freefall comic
18:37:58 <Taneb> I hope Florence does get a nicer room at the pound
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18:45:40 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, Florence has been taken into protective custody
18:45:54 <doesthiswork> I don't think that the pound is quite as much protective custody as she wanted
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18:46:20 <Taneb> she... has always been a dog?
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18:46:52 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2400/fc02333.png
19:02:57 <Taneb> doesthiswork, they only do that the first time they see her
19:03:13 <Taneb> And less than half of the power-suit cops are robots
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19:06:50 <FreeFull> A guy tried to lobotomise all the robots in the world
19:06:50 <Bike> no it's all a dream
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19:19:40 <doesthiswork> maybe soon the company will find out that florence ended up in the wrong place?
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19:58:05 <metasepia> CYUL 161900Z 21014KT 12SM -SHRA BKN022 OVC035 12/11 A2987 RMK SC5SC3 SLP114
19:58:25 <boily> meh. still -SHRAing.
20:00:54 <oerjan> <fizzie> Phobos looks silly. Proper moons are rounder than that. <-- i'm afraid it just doesn't understand the gravity of the matter
20:04:14 <oerjan> <elliott> ais523: actually, I would be perfectly content with you officially abstaining from comment! <-- you mean because fizzie also refuses to opine, so i can just op you single-handedly?
20:04:31 <Phantom_Hoover> secret secret: it's actually a normal potato that's quite close to the telescopes
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20:06:50 <ThatOtherPerson> Phantom_Hoover: wow, really? How does it get in front of all of the telescopes whenever they're pointed in a certain direction? Is there a secret Brotherhood of the Potato that takes care of it?
20:07:04 <boily> secret secret secret: just imagine the poutine you could make with phobotatoe and moon cheese.
20:07:29 <boily> (now, where'd you get the gravy from...)
20:07:36 <oerjan> boily: so you are saying god is quebecois?
20:08:58 <fizzie> I think I opined something (though it might've been quite a non-opinion) last time the recurring topic was breached.
20:09:12 <oerjan> i've forgotten what you opined
20:09:30 <fizzie> I've forgotten it too, and anyway it was some years ago.
20:11:10 <boily> oerjan: I wouldn't be surprised at god's québécoisitude.
20:11:17 <elliott> i've been complaining about gregor's voice for years?
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20:11:39 <oerjan> elliott: we've _already_ solved that problem, duh
20:12:11 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: -v PonyPonyPony.
20:12:17 <elliott> seems to be unreliable to me.
20:12:21 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +v PonyPonyPony.
20:12:46 <oerjan> at least until someone gets fed up enough to unsolve it again.
20:13:39 <elliott> hmm, are you saying the channel needs fewer food supplies? i suppose rationing in time of a voice crisis *does* make sense...
20:14:14 <oerjan> your dictionary may not be quite up to date on the meaning of "fed up" hth
20:14:40 <Fiora> just don't take my sushi :<
20:18:08 <elliott> i sleep now. i can only pray gregor's voice survives the brutal night.
20:18:29 <elliott> have faith, Phantom_Hoover
20:19:31 <boily> extra sushi is LUXURY, I say! in my youth, all we had was silence and second-hand clothes!
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20:31:56 <boily> something that bugs me: in roguelikes, do you strip naked when you change armour?
20:32:25 <Fiora> I don't think you'd wear armor without a layer underneath... unless you really love chafing
20:32:57 <Bike> http://www.nextnewdeal.net/rortybomb/researchers-finally-replicated-reinhart-rogoff-and-there-are-serious-problems so, anyway, economics is being weird
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20:34:00 <ais523> boily: NetHack has no slot for trousers, and yet no indication that things are touching your bare skin when you sit on them
20:34:09 <ais523> as such, most people assume that the character has trousers yet the game simply doesn't mention them
20:34:59 <boily> yes, but NetHack has hawaiian shirts.
20:35:47 <Bike> you wear your hawaiian shirt over your underlayer, duh
20:41:07 <Phantom_Hoover> i thought the standard procedure for nurses was to take off all your armour or sth
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20:50:01 * ThatOtherPerson sighs and passes out a multitude of pants, hoping the adventurers will get a clue
20:50:03 * quintopia puts on his adventuring shorts and hat
20:51:05 * Fiora puts on adventuring skirt and hairband?
20:51:57 <Koen_> so you're the kind of adventurer who performs aerial kung fu kicks with a skirt
20:52:09 <Bike> she swords that shit
20:52:11 <Fiora> that's what magical girls do, right?
20:52:15 <Bike> fucking brutal to see lemme tell ya
20:52:28 <Fiora> I don't stop time though :<
20:52:31 <Bike> that's the one
20:52:36 <Bike> the blue meduka.
20:53:38 <Fiora> and I'm a magic-user adventurer! I shoot magic beams with staves and stuff
20:56:20 <Fiora> (STR was my dump stat, so I can't do the kicks very well)
21:01:18 <Fiora> bike is embellishing~
21:01:59 <Fiora> by inventing one where none was before!
21:03:17 <ais523> Fiora: if you're a magical girl, you don't bother changing clothes manually
21:03:26 <ais523> you just randomly decide to have a different wardrobe, and you do
21:03:50 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: no, but I'm aware of the genre
21:04:00 <ais523> although I don't disapprove of it at all
21:04:22 <ais523> they really have quite a positive message
21:04:28 <ais523> if a rather clichéd one
21:04:54 <Fiora> is there something wrong with magical girl anime :<
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21:05:29 <ais523> Fiora: Phantom_Hoover just doesn't expect me to like it
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21:05:50 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: have /you/ met me?
21:06:15 <ais523> I guess I don't know enough about magical girl anime to really say I like it
21:06:16 <oerjan> (from Bike's link) "If this error turns out to be an actual mistake Reinhart-Rogoff made, well, all I can hope is that future historians note that one of the core empirical points providing the intellectual foundation for the global move to austerity in the early 2010s was based on someone accidentally not updating a row formula in Excel."
21:06:16 <Koen_> "I called your cell phone to set up a meeting but you didn't pick up"
21:06:29 <Bike> oerjan: good line
21:06:55 <ThatOtherPerson> I don't know anything about magical girl anime, but I would like to be magical. That would be nice.
21:07:37 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: I know I'll defend Final Fantasy X-2 from its detractors
21:07:44 <ais523> despite it apparently being magical girl anime
21:08:10 <ais523> (actually, I think it's a great game because it points out the flaws in both typical RPG plots and typical anime plots, while still remaining a positive outlook on things)
21:08:48 <Fiora> yeah, I remember that being disliked by a lot of ~gamers~ because it was too shoujo for them
21:08:51 <fizzie> X-2, was that the one with the dressspheres?
21:09:29 <Fiora> (the awful laughing, I mean)
21:09:35 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: apparently the laughing was intentionally bad
21:09:54 <Fiora> Yeah, I think that was intentional in the original japanese
21:10:14 <ThatOtherPerson> are you talking about that laughing I am currently hearing?
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21:10:24 <Bike_> the laughing is intentionally fake yeah
21:10:36 <Bike_> because tidus is making a point about acting happy when you're not for some reason?
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21:11:08 <ais523> who cares it's Final Fantasy X, which I'm not particularly willing to defend
21:11:16 <ais523> (part of the reason I like X-2 is how effectively it makes fun of X)
21:11:21 <Bike> fizzie: basically.
21:11:29 <Bike> the only good part of ffx was Sin. true fact
21:11:53 <fizzie> Bike: Did you know that SIN is JECHT ha ha ha ha spoil'd ya.
21:12:11 <Fiora> Tidus is actually a dream of the Fayth
21:12:20 <Fiora> the main character doesn't exist
21:12:23 <Bike> yunalesca is secretly the boss with the best theme
21:12:23 <fizzie> Fiora: Snape kills Dumbledore.
21:12:39 <Fiora> Tyler Durden isn't real :<
21:13:18 <ais523> at this point the spoilers are getting so obscure that they might actually spoil people, except the people don't know what they're being spoiled on
21:13:43 <ais523> …jumping to an instruction can be used to re-encrypt the previous instruction
21:14:14 <Fiora> the Star Ocean universe is actually a simulation, and the players are NPCs?
21:14:16 <Koen_> aren't you afraid those people might one day watch the thing and realize it's that thing they had been spoiled on?
21:14:35 <fizzie> It's behind the seventh door on the left.
21:14:42 <Bike> i am number one
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21:15:19 <ThatOtherPerson> Take the second star to the right, and straight on till morning.
21:16:13 <Phantom_Hoover> hahaha i just realised benedict cumberbatch was in four lions
21:16:27 <Fiora> ais523: now I'm wishing there were more shoujoish magicalgirlish games
21:16:57 <ais523> there are more such games, but they're pretty much universally considered terrible even by people who like those sorts of anime
21:17:03 <ais523> also they have a tendency to turn into porn
21:17:10 <Fiora> I'm not counting the awful otakubait things <.<
21:17:29 <Fiora> ar tonelico and hyperdimension neptunia and that kind of bleh are not shoujo
21:17:40 <ais523> ok, just for the sake of us all, make sure to include it more clearly in your wish :)
21:18:00 <Fiora> okay, I wish for more mahou shoujo-esque games aimed primarily at a female audience (bam)
21:18:43 <oerjan> <Fiora> if you take the integral of it, do you get the original bf? <-- darn now i'm wondering what _that_ kind of brainfuck derivative would look like. although i think continuous bf has been discussed before.
21:19:18 <Fiora> I guess atelier is sort of close. though it doesn't have as much of the 'mahou'
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21:20:28 <oerjan> <ais523> at this point the spoilers are getting so obscure that they might actually spoil people, except the people don't know what they're being spoiled on <-- yes. wtf is kyuubey.
21:21:10 <ThatOtherPerson> oh yay I know a british actor, does that mean he's one of them?
21:21:12 <fizzie> Fiora: This is not related at all, but got kind of reminded; http://sprunge.us/cUYG
21:21:22 <oerjan> <ais523> …jumping to an instruction can be used to re-encrypt the previous instruction <-- malbolge?
21:21:35 <quintopia> did you count everyone in harry potter?
21:21:43 <quintopia> because that had a few actors in it
21:21:59 <Fiora> fizzie: geez, wow, I thought that cliche had been beaten to death at least among the highest profile jrpgs
21:22:09 <Bike> fizzie: more layers. yes.
21:22:10 <Fiora> since I almost never see it anymore in final fantasy or tales or the like
21:22:23 <ais523> actually, probably a bigger spoiler would be "characters over 128 aren't rejected"
21:22:23 <Fiora> I guess DQ8 isn't really that new, but...
21:22:34 * Fiora played DQ9 a while ago, it was really wonderful
21:24:03 <fizzie> I watched someone play through all of Ni no Kuni (the PS3 thing), and it looked just like a Ghibli movie except in game.
21:24:22 <ais523> quintopia: ireland is both an island, and a country; the country (republic of ireland) has no overlap with the UK
21:24:25 <fizzie> I don't have a PS3 so I just have to watch other people.
21:24:31 <ais523> whereas the island itself has some overlap (northern ireland)
21:24:32 <Phantom_Hoover> (this is a good thing to learn before one goes to ireland)
21:24:33 <oerjan> <ais523> actually, probably a bigger spoiler would be "characters over 128 aren't rejected" <-- isn't that cheating, though.
21:24:39 <Fiora> I loved Ni no Kuni too, it was really nice
21:24:49 <ais523> ireland and great britain, being two different islands, are entirely disjoint
21:24:49 <Fiora> it definitely had so much of that ghibli feel
21:25:10 <Fiora> I was surprised for a bit that the game was really dragon quest-esque in the mechanics and structure, but then I remembered that it was made by Level 5 XD
21:25:11 <quintopia> why didnt the british do a better job of conquering and keeping conquered their next door neighbors?
21:25:16 <oerjan> ais523: also, i vaguely thought the important part of the jumping was that the jumping instruction itself _doesn't_ get encrypted.
21:25:27 * Fiora would recommend Tales of Graces f as the best PS3 JRPG, though
21:25:30 <Bike> quintopia: too busy fucking over south asia
21:25:34 <fizzie> Fiora: I had that one short (few seconds?) segment of the overworld music stuck in my head for so long.
21:25:51 <fizzie> Also because it was just like some other thing.
21:26:05 <Phantom_Hoover> (amusingly, the irish weren't all that hot on independence before the easter rising)
21:26:23 <Fiora> also drippy was the best ever
21:26:40 <fizzie> Can't much argue with that.
21:27:09 <Fiora> making him scottish was the best thing
21:27:12 <Phantom_Hoover> (the british overreaction played a large part in moving them to actual rebellion)
21:27:22 <Bike> Phantom_Hoover: conscription, huh. that caused a shitload of uprisings in non-core russia too, what a coincidence!
21:28:22 <ThatOtherPerson> Fiora: I must say, I've never seen ":<" before. It's rather angular.
21:28:39 <Bike> fiora's mouth is reinforced with rebar.
21:29:11 <Fiora> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qhy9CO3Y-8#t=3m45s
21:29:39 <Fiora> oh, correction. welsh.
21:29:40 * oerjan swats FireFly -----###
21:29:45 <oerjan> it also looks like a fly hth
21:29:50 <kmc> (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
21:29:59 <oerjan> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa SPIDER
21:30:17 <Fiora> I CORRECTED MYSELLLFFF
21:30:23 <Bike> lord high of the fairies
21:30:36 <fizzie> Bike: One lord more, right?
21:31:37 <fizzie> We were thinking of maybe a Scotland, maybe summer of 2014.
21:31:48 <Fiora> it was definitely a wonderful choice though. the usual way they localize osakan accents is as texan -_-
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21:32:07 <fizzie> Fiora: A... Texan Drippy...
21:32:29 <boily> Fiora: a very logical choice, considering the longstanding texan tradition of takoyaki.
21:32:52 <Fiora> The tradition actually started because the localization company was based in texas
21:32:58 <Fiora> so texas accents were the easiest to find <.<
21:34:38 <Fiora> (another game with a great british dub is xenoblade, they did away with the silly "europe and US get different dubs" and just gave everyone wonderful english accents)
21:35:00 <fizzie> Nobody dubs anything to Finnish (well, except maybe aimed-really-for-children big-budget animation films), so the whole sub-or-dub thing confuzzles me, what with the whole practice of dubbing just feeling so weird.
21:36:04 <Bike> she just said they're wonderful, man.
21:36:11 <Fiora> good dubs can be really wonderful though, and I think they help me connect with the characters better
21:36:13 <oerjan> `addquote <kmc> if you make pickles with strange salts then you can't eat them, but you can electrocute them and they glow different colors
21:36:17 <HackEgo> 1033) <kmc> if you make pickles with strange salts then you can't eat them, but you can electrocute them and they glow different colors
21:36:21 <Fiora> in some cases they're better than the original, too
21:37:01 <fizzie> Perhaps, but it still feels weird, because It's Not Done, here.
21:37:27 <fizzie> I guess maybe there was a Finnish dub of Spirited Away?
21:37:41 <Fiora> the times I'm really glad they have them are when the original dubs are plagued by like, the most cliche moe voices ever
21:37:55 <Fiora> and the english dubbers smartly decide not to try to imitate them and just do like, proper voices
21:38:17 <Bike> you know how moe voices are like two octaves above the male ones
21:38:24 <Bike> what if you just reversed that, made them two lower
21:38:33 <Fiora> (the most terrible ones though are when the english dubbers decide to try to mimick the moe voices. oh /god/)
21:38:43 <boily> reverse moe voices...
21:38:48 * boily cringe in abject fear
21:39:13 <oerjan> boily: WHAT ARE YOU FRIGHTENED OF MORTAL
21:39:34 <oerjan> (YOUR TIME IS NOT YET UP)
21:39:48 * Fiora goes and fangirls about cassandra lee because she's wonderfuls
21:42:25 <boily> oerjan: I'm afraid of people who have imaginary letters in their name and who talk in capitals.
21:42:36 <Fiora> imaginary letters?
21:46:30 <oerjan> boily: WHAT CAN I SAY I'M A COMPLEX PERSON
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21:49:45 <PonyPonyPony> <Fiora> (another game with a great british dub is xenoblade, they did away with the silly "europe and US get different dubs" and just gave everyone wonderful english accents) // I'd buy it. Americans love English accents ;)
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21:51:02 * Fiora admits she does? <.<
21:51:43 <Bike> all about the cockney
21:51:50 <oerjan> <Phantom_Hoover> that was happening when i stopped reading it <-- well then it was being planned. just recently the plan was actually executed.
21:52:16 <PonyPonyPony> Bike: I'll just cut that message off after the 18th character.
21:52:24 <Bike> that's the joke. thanks
21:52:46 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: doing what was necessary to make it _not_ work is how florence got in the pound.
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22:31:27 <PonyPonyPony> pikhq_: "Splenda is chlorinated sugar, that's not safe!" "I certainly hope you've replaced all your table salt with MSG then."
22:32:35 <pikhq_> I'm not entirely sure why anyone would be opposed to Splenda. It's, like, the least offensive artificial sweetener. By far.
22:32:35 * kmc does have a 2 lb shaker of MSG
22:33:05 <PonyPonyPony> kmc: 2lbs is a LOT of MSG. I don't know how one could buy that much in a single package here X-D
22:33:22 <Bike> splenda is aspartame, right?
22:33:25 <pikhq_> The thing that's great with MSG is, it's a salt of sodium and glutamic acid. Glutamic acid being an *amino acid* that is all over the place in your body.
22:33:36 <PonyPonyPony> pikhq_: My brother and grandmother have decided that they don't like Splenda because (a) its motto (Tastes like sugar because it's made from sugar) is misleading if you're an imbecile, and (b) oh nose chlorine.
22:33:42 <Bike> oh. aspartame's the controversial one
22:34:11 <PonyPonyPony> I particularly love hating on Splenda's motto, because, for an advertising slogan, it's amazingly true.
22:34:24 <Fiora> the annoying bit about the 'strong' artificial sweeneters is they can't really replace sugar in cooking
22:35:01 <Bike> I assume that when people look at artificial sweeteners they see http://24.media.tumblr.com/44d32d4df57c74f2e76ec2b0fe5c454a/tumblr_mld4dnStXb1r7tprao1_500.jpg
22:35:04 <pikhq_> It depends pretty heavily on what you're making though.
22:35:22 <Fiora> erythritol and xylitol are apparently good in place of sugar
22:35:26 <Fiora> (for baking and stuff)
22:35:34 <kmc> i hope my mushrooms don't taste like drywall and copies of the wall street journal
22:36:24 <Bike> yeah i have no idea what the marketers were thinking, at all.
22:37:51 <Bike> i didn't even know milk came in boxes, too. (liquid milk, even)
22:38:39 <kmc> in europe eggs aren't refrigerated, in US they always are
22:39:06 <pikhq_> Bike: You mean like UHT boxed milk, or milk cartons?
22:39:19 <Bike> yeah it's that membrane thing
22:39:19 <Bike> it's more that i didn't know these sorts of products even came at these levels of quality, i guess
22:39:39 <pikhq_> Hmm. Where are you at, Bike?
22:40:11 <Bike> northwest murika
22:40:24 <Bike> oh that's right, milk comes in bags in canada doesn't it
22:41:05 <PonyPonyPony> <kmc> in europe eggs aren't refrigerated, in US they always are // hm, really?
22:41:10 <Bike> Hm, the UHT boxes do look famiiliar.
22:41:23 <kmc> PonyPonyPony: well i don't know about all of europe
22:41:26 <kmc> many parts
22:41:35 <kmc> and i've always seen them refrigerated in the US
22:42:11 <PonyPonyPony> I mean, to me it seems like you really ought to refrigerate. They're just like meat, only not born yet. (Or fertilized)
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22:42:35 <Bike_> fine, my chicken related knowledge will just die
22:42:41 <nooodl> "...we can view every monoid (A, *, e) as a category, as follows: ... Objects: the set A is the unique object of the category. Arrows: x : A -> A means that x \in A, i.e. arrows are elements of A."
22:42:41 <pikhq_> PonyPonyPony: Remember that it's more common to buy at most a few days ahead in Europe.
22:43:21 <nooodl> how are elements of A arrows... i'm... what
22:43:30 <FireFly> I've always seen eggs refridgerated
22:43:57 <Bike_> nooodl: as in the arrows of the category are the objects of the original monoid set, i think
22:44:30 <nooodl> if you had the monoid (N, +, 0), one of the arrows would be 42 : N -> N?
22:44:56 <Bike_> yeah, except N in the category formulation is just the one object
22:45:04 <FireFly> I think that the name of the single node in the category doesn't really matter
22:45:07 <Bike_> so you'd have one object with infinite arrows to and from itself
22:45:15 <nooodl> wait i think i'm looking at this too much like it's a function
22:45:36 <Bike_> also we got 1300 lbs of eggs today
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22:45:43 <Bike_> it's not possible to move in the refrigerator no more
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22:45:49 <kmc> Bike: woah
22:46:18 <Bike> that's only like a vanful, but yeah sucked to move
22:46:26 <nooodl> so arrows are just... things. the source and target don't matter, the composition (i.e. *) matters
22:46:43 <FireFly> Well, the source and target is the same for all the arrows
22:47:02 <FireFly> (I should probably add that I learned about this like yesterday, but I think what I'm saying is true)
22:47:08 <Bike> so the composition of the arrows corresponding to 42 and 32 is the arrow corresponding to 74, probably
22:47:13 <Bike> i should probably add that i'm making shit up to confuse you
22:47:53 <FireFly> Bike: that'll get you a lot of meringue
22:48:03 <nooodl> wow... this all just kinda clicked. i really love that feeling
22:48:19 <kmc> i like to start with the definition of a monoid and then say that a category is a 'typed monoid' where the elements have function-like types and you can only compose when the types line up
22:49:08 <nooodl> where elements = arrows, and objects = types?
22:49:35 <kmc> the CT terminology is confusing in a programming context because 'object' doesn't sound like it should be a type
22:49:50 <kmc> in CT the objects just classify the arrows / morphisms
22:50:05 <nooodl> yeah, that definition is probably clearer from a programmer's pov
22:54:20 <nooodl> aaaa CT is too much fun to read & be confused about
23:00:48 <oerjan> <Bike_> it's not possible to move in the refrigerator no more <-- i'll recommend not staying there at all, hth
23:01:56 <Bike> as someone who's been n the walk-in freezer for half an hour at a time i must agree
23:03:53 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: then you die fictional evidence notwithstanding, hth
23:04:03 <Bike> i think it's roughly as cold as like, lapland? iunno
23:04:25 <oerjan> hint: lapland has seasons too
23:04:57 <Bike> look it's cold okay
23:05:05 <oerjan> they just go from "damn cold" to "fairly chilly"
23:06:12 <Bike> can you just leave meat outside to preserve it
23:06:35 <Bike> i mean, mod animals
23:07:12 <oerjan> Bike: in the winter, sure
23:07:15 <nooodl> guys. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakutsk#Climate
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23:07:40 <Bike> i guess freezers are supposed to be around -20°C
23:07:49 <nooodl> record low: -64 °C, record high: 39 °C
23:08:00 <Bike> haha holy shit
23:08:15 <Bike> "As the biggest city built on continuous permafrost," the russian east is fucking crazy
23:09:44 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Northern_Chukotka.JPG chukuotka is probably my favorite though
23:09:47 <Bike> "sure, let's live here"
23:10:47 <nooodl> that looks like a different planet
23:11:13 <Bike> «Abramovich said that he would not run for governor again after his term of office expired in 2005, as it is "too expensive", and he rarely visits the region. However, Russian President Vladimir Putin changed the law to abolish elections for regional governors, and on 21 October 2005 Abramovich was reappointed governor for another term.» it's a nice place
23:11:26 <Bike> (abramovich is the governor of chukotka)
23:11:32 <nooodl> Chukotka has large reserves of oil, natural gas, coal, gold, and tungsten, which are slowly being exploited, but much of the rural population survives on subsistence reindeer herding, whale hunting, and fishing.
23:11:35 <Bike> (or was until 2008)
23:12:17 <Bike> "Chukotka is mostly roadless and air travel is the main mode of passenger transport. There are local permanent roads between some settlements."
23:12:32 <kmc> the Soviet Union's answer to Zionism was to give the Jews their own autonomous oblast in middle of nowhere east Russia
23:12:55 <Bike> well hey, at least stalin didn't dump them in this northern crazyland
23:12:56 <kmc> it didn't really catch on
23:13:02 <Bike> also it beats pale of settlement :(
23:13:40 <Bike> possibly russia is just bad with jews?? perish the thought
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23:14:19 <Phantom_Hoover> http://fwc.wireos.com/e.php?id=5117ac574ed91ab030000083
23:14:53 <Phantom_Hoover> note especially: the 161y, which has, for some reason, got its landing gear on the top
23:15:31 <Bike> i like the 161c, chillin in space
23:17:04 <nooodl> i'm imagining that was just, "oops. we put the wheels on the wrong side. oh well"
23:17:40 <oerjan> Bike: the russians think the jews should just get with the pogrom
23:18:26 <kmc> oerjan: c.c
23:20:05 <Fiora> that was wonderterrible
23:21:14 <kmc> one thing I didn't know about Israel until I visited was the degree to which Russian coexists with Hebrew and English and Arabic as a language you see everywhere
23:21:28 <Bike> hm, why is that?
23:21:32 <kmc> cause there were a lot of jews in Russia and they mostly wanted to get the hell out as soon as possible
23:21:55 <Bike> now i'm remembering the black hundreds aggh
23:21:57 <kmc> and it's a fairly recent wave of immigration (since it was hard to leave before 1990 or so)
23:23:22 <Bike> wow what the heck is "national bolshevism"
23:23:27 <Bike> the history of israel is so fucked
23:23:32 <kmc> 713,399 jews in russia in 1979, 159,348 in 2010
23:24:00 <kmc> Bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevik_Party
23:24:08 <kmc> THIS IS MCBANE. AM UNDER ATTACK BY COMMIE-NAZIS.
23:24:19 <Bike> "In Russia, as the civil war dragged on, a number of prominent "Whites" switched to the Bolshevik side because they saw it as the only hope for restoring greatness to Russia. Amongst these was Professor Nikolai Ustrialov, initially an anti-communist, who came to believe that Bolshevism could be modified to serve nationalistic purposes." i can't believe how dumb the russian civil war was
23:24:59 <kmc> someone ought to edit http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CommieNazis which claims there is no such thing
23:25:10 <Bike> «They supported co-operation with the Soviet government in the hope that the Soviet state would evolve back into a "bourgeois state". »
23:25:16 <kmc> Bike: well he was kind of right, yeah?
23:25:29 <kmc> stalin was a nationalist
23:25:40 <Bike> i really don't get stalin's nationalism at all
23:26:03 <kmc> it is a bit puzzling given that he was from fucking georgia
23:26:40 <kmc> aiui he changed his mind on like a weekly basis regarding whether all the ethnic groups in the USSR should become Russian or whether they should all have their own -stans
23:26:49 <Bike> he wsa the fucking commissar of nationalities
23:27:55 <Bike> oh did you see that thing i found from cablegate, about a bunch of chinese academics arguing about the "american model" vs "soviet model" of dealing with minority ethnic groups
23:28:02 <Bike> it's pretty surreal let me tell you
23:28:35 <Bike> http://www.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/12/09BEIJING3314.html
23:29:03 <Bike> america has had a successful melting pot, see
23:32:19 <Bike> ...oh my, alexey tolstoy was one of these people following ustrialov.
23:34:42 <kmc> yeah, China is like 92% Han Chinese, that might screw up the melting pot a bit
23:35:26 <kmc> i don't think the US was ever that lopsided, unless like you count 'white people' as a single group and don't count slaves
23:36:15 <Bike> well also it's not even close to as uniform in china
23:36:30 <Bike> xinjiang was just like some place full of muslims until the KMT took it over
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23:41:04 <oerjan> <kmc> yeah, China is like 92% Han Chinese, that might screw up the melting pot a bit <-- i am pretty sure i recently read a claim the classification is biased to include a _lot_ under han chinese
23:41:49 <oerjan> reddit's r/askhistory, probably
23:41:52 <Bike> ooh, chinese census probably isn't by self-report
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23:43:06 <Bike> when the US switched from assignment to self-report for ethnicity minority populations mysteriously jumped a few percentage points
23:44:38 <Bike> http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/12/29/from-appearance-to-identity-how-census-data-collection-changed-race-in-america/
23:44:41 <Bike> "Between 1980 and 2000, the U.S. Native American population magically grew 110%."
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