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00:05:39 <kmc> i did the AP CS course in C++
00:05:45 <kmc> which they only had for a few years, between Pascal and Java
00:06:53 <Fiora> geez, you're lucky. I took it in Java >_<
00:07:06 <Fiora> I still have faint memories (more like nightmares) of the marine biology simulation
00:07:35 <kmc> i think Java is a much better choice than C++ for that course
00:07:59 <Fiora> I guess maybe. I was just finding it hard to imagine it could get much worse <.<
00:08:14 <Fiora> I am really glad I was interested in programming before and had some experience
00:08:17 <Fiora> because like, if I hadn't
00:08:22 <Fiora> that course would have basically ensured I never did CS
00:08:54 <kmc> C++ is a terrible beginner language: no memory safety, manual resource management, tons of bizarre syntax, tons of conflicting advice on which part of the language to use
00:09:05 <Fiora> I guess so I'm still so bad at C++
00:09:08 <kmc> when I learned C++ they told us to use char* and arrays instead of STL for some reason
00:09:52 <Phantom_Hoover> have i told you guys yet about my school's computing lessons
00:10:26 <pikhq_> C++ is a great esolang.
00:10:35 <Fiora> (actually I think it was like. the awfulness of high school CS made me want to go to college for physics because physics was cool and then I ended up going back to CS because I was horrible at physics)
00:11:29 <Phantom_Hoover> long, long ago, i used ie5 for mac for my web browsing
00:12:38 <pikhq_> 5.0 for Mac is the version that added PNG support. :P
00:13:07 <pikhq_> And oddly enough, actually did it right.
00:21:48 <kmc> Phantom_Hoover: did I tell you about Macintosh russian roulette
00:22:22 <kmc> we did AP CS in C++ on Macs running OS 9 which has no memory protection
00:22:39 <kmc> so I came up with this program which, every time you hit Enter, pokes a random value to a random location in memory
00:22:44 <kmc> and we would take turns hitting Enter
00:22:50 <kmc> whoever makes the program crash loses
00:22:58 <kmc> or usually, the whole computer
00:23:37 <Phantom_Hoover> please tell me someone worked out a way to win by gaming the rng
00:24:31 <Phantom_Hoover> did anything crazy happen or did the computer just die
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00:24:43 <kmc> nothing particularly crazy, usually it would just freeze up
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00:25:01 <kmc> in the Java VM breakout "pointing a heatlamp at the RAM sticks" paper, they reported permafucking the OS a significant number of times
00:25:03 <kmc> which I find surprising
00:25:10 <kmc> like, requiring a reinstall
00:25:40 <Phantom_Hoover> what does grilled ram have to do with java vm breakouts
00:25:52 <kmc> it was about exploiting random bit flips to escape the sandbox
00:26:03 <Fiora> that was an amazing paper
00:26:15 <Fiora> did you read about how the gameboy color (I think?) ROM was eventually dumped?
00:26:17 <kmc> http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/papers/memerr.pdf
00:26:40 <kmc> also not to be missed: 'bitsquatting', where you register DNS names one bit off from popular websites, and harvest people's cookies
00:26:49 <kmc> Fiora: no, what did they do?
00:26:50 <Fiora> it was done with this insane hack where the guy basically did the same kind of "bash at the hardware externally" trick to get it to do something
00:27:13 <Fiora> http://www.fpgb.org/?page_id=17
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00:28:07 <Fiora> it's a really cool article, but the meat of it is basically setting up a gigantic nop sled in external memory, then glitching the clock and voltage to try to get the instruction pointer to end up in external memory when it isn't supposed to be
00:28:46 <mnoqy> oh so that's why i didn't get those lambdabot messages. i changed my name too fast and lambdabot sent them off to the wrong nick
00:28:50 <Fiora> combined with a ton of crazy reverse engineering and thousands of wires soldered to the board XD
00:28:51 <kmc> i'll have to read this
00:28:53 <mnoqy> dear elliott: stop fucking sending messages to monqy
00:29:07 <kmc> so the issue here is that the boot ROM is part of the CPU itself and can't easily be interrogated from the outside?
00:29:38 <Fiora> Yeah -- for the original gameboy the ROM didn't get dumped until someone literally took an electron microscope to it
00:29:43 <kmc> (got to go semi-afk but will definitely read this later)
00:29:44 <Fiora> and read off the bits one by on
00:30:10 <Fiora> so this was like. -easier-
00:32:05 <mnoqy> emphasis? emotion?
00:33:00 <Fiora> kmc: a similar cool thing I remember reading about was the project to reverse engineer all the coprocessor chips on SNES cartridges
00:33:25 <Fiora> http://byuu.org/articles/emulation/snes-coprocessors oh, here's that!
00:33:53 <Fiora> the people involved in this stuff are just. superhuman though
00:33:55 <Fiora> "segher got involved and reconstructed the entire instruction set just from looking at the binary data and HLE code"
00:34:20 <Fiora> "Cydrak recognized the ISA just from looking at the binary"
00:34:53 <Fiora> "[these] are heavily protected against having their program ROMs read out. For these, Dr. Decapitator had to decap the chips, and read the ROM data directly off of the chips internally"
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01:55:00 <kmc> shachaf: hi there in ##crypto
01:55:30 <shachaf> I used to be there but it was mostly not very good as I remember, but maybe it's good now.
02:01:02 <shachaf> mind if i call you.................... yqnom
02:01:09 <mnoqy> i dont have that on hilite
02:01:09 <shachaf> what's this "hey" business about
02:01:18 <mnoqy> it's a greeting in usa
02:01:33 <shachaf> that's where you are right
02:01:57 <kmc> the west is the best
02:02:08 <shachaf> how coastal are we talkin'
02:02:31 <mnoqy> hey are you trying to stalk me again!!
02:03:02 <mnoqy> coastal as in "california is up against the ocean not some of that 'midwest' nonsense"
02:03:03 <shachaf> no not really should i???????
02:06:02 <shachaf> mnoqy: so how is mac lane doing
02:07:28 <mnoqy> i'm still neckdeep in monoids
02:08:00 <mnoqy> i think today i read about constructing free monoids? or was that yesterday
02:09:32 <mnoqy> so far theres only been brief mention about monads on a cat. C being monoids in C^C or w/e it is
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02:28:14 <kmc> http://montereybayaquarium.tumblr.com/image/47866677088 awwwwwww
02:33:48 <kmc> what, fuck you
02:33:53 <kmc> cuttlefish are awesome
02:34:22 <kmc> you and your mammal-centric worldview
02:34:30 <kmc> it cannot be denied
02:34:55 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc do you not remember i was the one saying we should uplift cuttlefish
02:35:02 <kmc> also dolphins never have to write Berkeley Sockets code which is another advantage they have over humans
02:36:40 <coppro> yes but ive never stood on a cuttlefish
02:39:58 <Sgeo> Well, Java has URI and URL types
02:40:12 <Sgeo> But I don't know how good they are at enforcing the proper type of thinking
02:40:27 <Sgeo> If "the" way to create a URI involves escaping query parameters
02:50:51 <zzo38> Is something wrong with Linode?
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02:54:39 <kmc> they got haxed
02:56:14 <shachaf> should i switch from linode to somethingelse
02:56:14 <zzo38> ifMUD is hosted in Linode, and sometimes I can connect to it from some computers but not from other computers, and on some computers it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't works, even though other people say then can connect fine from their side.
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03:13:59 <kmc> shit is getting real
03:14:03 <kmc> cop shot at MIT, a couple blocks from my house
03:14:07 <kmc> suspect at large
03:15:16 <kmc> helicopters everywhere
03:15:43 <mnoqy> im glad my life isnt this real idk how id handle it
03:17:19 <copumpkin> kmc: you need to pull out your RPG and jump into the melee
03:17:32 <kmc> if only I had an RPG
03:17:40 <copumpkin> isn't the key to stopping violence to arm more people?
03:17:48 <kmc> sometimes I'm like "Fuck, America is full of crazy people with guns, I should get some guns myself"
03:17:53 <kmc> stupid prisoner's dilemma
03:17:55 <copumpkin> that guy would've thought twice had he known kmc was sitting around with an RPG
03:21:43 <shachaf> kmc: have you considered moving to epa
03:22:01 <kmc> i mean yes
03:23:04 <shachaf> mnoqy: how real is y our life
03:23:11 <mnoqy> not very real at all, really
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03:24:20 <shachaf> i vote that mnoqy is a bot
03:38:26 <doesthiswork> if you put your fingers in front of your mouth like you're making a zoidberg face, cuttlefish will recognize it when you mimic their movements, your eight fingers are just like their eight arms
03:53:10 <hagb4rd> hm.. pathethos (παθητός): “one who has suffered"
03:55:41 <Bike> wait, a cop got shot? i knew there was a shooting but
03:56:31 <hagb4rd> wait was that part of the void kampf test?
03:56:52 <Bike> and it's voight
03:57:02 <kmc> yeah, cop shot at MIT
03:57:10 <kmc> in front of the Stata Center
03:57:57 <kmc> gotta stay inside and drink additional beers
03:58:46 <Bike> is it true that noam chomsky is the shooter
04:00:16 <kmc> Bike: i heard that on reddit
04:00:35 <kmc> so it's probably true
04:00:50 <mnoqy> is that a real theory
04:01:49 <Bike> relatedly i was listening to talk radio a while ago. this was a bad idea
04:02:01 <kmc> radio head
04:02:14 <Bike> you know how the FBI released photos of suspects for Boston? some guy was on talking about how they were "chalky" illegals
04:02:53 <Bike> i dunno he was really pissed that they were white
04:03:03 <Bike> so he uh, said they were some other kind of white? i dunno it's hard to pay attention to that shit
04:03:12 <mnoqy> would he rather they be....not white?
04:03:25 <mnoqy> i dont understand life
04:03:39 <kmc> the cop died :(
04:04:37 <Bike> http://emergency.mit.net/emergency/ well i'm glad they're giving updates
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04:51:30 <copumpkin> kmc: sounds like crazy shit going on there
04:51:44 <kmc> MIT perps have made it to Watertown and are engaged in a shootout with the police
04:52:11 <kmc> they may or may not have grenades o_O
04:52:25 <Fiora> oh kmc did you see the SNES thing
04:53:04 <Bike> from sigbovik?
04:53:11 <Bike> imo read sigbovik (i still haven't)
04:53:38 <Fiora> oh sorry, I posted about it above but I guess you were away, right
04:53:57 <Fiora> it was reverse engineering SNES game coprocessors
04:54:53 <copumpkin> confirmed explosives now, apparently
04:54:57 <copumpkin> http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/6254/web
04:56:10 <kmc> "RT @universalhub Police proceding as if Watertown suspects are Marathon suspects"
04:56:54 <Bike> so... what does that mean for what they're actually doing
04:57:25 <Bike> wouldn't that fuck up the investigation
04:59:40 <copumpkin> chances are they're not gonna get caught
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05:09:53 <kmc> shit is crazy
05:10:11 <Bike> "boston has seceded"
05:11:14 <kmc> as best as I can piece together: They shot a cop at MIT, carjacked a car to get away, got some miles west, then started throwing explosives at cops
05:13:10 <kmc> listening to police scanner is probably a bad idea
05:13:21 <kmc> i should just go to sleep, hopefully not get blown up
05:13:29 <Fiora> >_< are you close by?
05:13:35 <kmc> not really
05:13:36 <mnoqy> police scanner sounds cool
05:13:52 <kmc> i'm close to where the cop got shot but further from the current scene of the action
05:14:20 <copumpkin> kmc: I've seen people saying that the original shooter is not one of the carjackers and is still unaccounted for, so don't go outside still
05:16:05 <kmc> yes i will stay inside until I run out of beer and food
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05:16:29 <kmc> it's times like these that I think I should get some guns to counteract all the crazy people with guns
05:16:32 <kmc> stupid prisoner's dilemmas
05:18:11 <Bike> probably wouldn't help
05:19:05 <mnoqy> im glad i dont have a gun i dont think id be able to handle it
05:19:44 <mnoqy> not that id go on a shooting or anything.....just having a gun would be stressful or
05:20:22 <shachaf> having a gun makes you crazy not the other way around
05:30:00 <fizzie> Guns don't kill jobs, robots who shoot guns kill jobs.
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08:05:13 <shachaf> http://adit.io/posts/2013-04-17-functors,_applicatives,_and_monads_in_pictures.html :-(
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08:25:52 <fizzie> It says that in several places.
08:26:08 <fizzie> (I only looked at the pictures.)
08:26:17 <fizzie> ("I read it for the articles.")
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09:12:44 <mroman_> @ask AnotherTest Did you have use for noe?
09:13:05 <shachaf> today i ate odd japanese candy
09:13:12 <fizzie> Was it called a fizzie?
09:13:29 <shachaf> I don't know what it was called because I'm not good at reading Japanese.
09:13:41 <shachaf> But it seemed a bit fizzy, maybe.
09:14:09 <fizzie> I think I am a candy too.
09:14:45 <shachaf> Is there good Finnish candy? I don't know anything about Finnish candy. :-(
09:15:04 <fizzie> http://lgcdn.candyfavorites.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/b/rbeer.jpg <- that's me.
09:15:32 <shachaf> Note: "salmiakki" does not count as "good".
09:16:06 <fizzie> I was just about to say we just eat ammonium chloride as candy.
09:16:55 <fizzie> I suppose there's Finnish variants of regular things too, but I don't think those are anything to write home about.
09:17:13 <fizzie> Quite a lot of products containing xylitol.
09:17:30 <shachaf> Is everything made of corn?
09:17:33 <fizzie> "[Xylitol's] dental significance was researched in Finland in the early 1970s, when scientists at Turku University showed it had significant dental benefits.[6] Those became known as the "Turku sugar studies"."
09:17:34 <shachaf> That's how it is in America.
09:18:25 <fizzie> There's an oklopol in Turku, I think that's its greatest attraction.
09:19:01 <fizzie> Also a podunk "castle".
09:23:54 <fizzie> There's quite a lot of less salty liquorice around. I don't know what anything is made of. It comes in a bag.
09:24:22 <shachaf> Is there an oklopole in Poland?
09:24:59 <fizzie> They spell it with an ł, but I think so.
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09:26:59 <fizzie> That's presumably the Norwegian brand.
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12:39:32 <Taneb> Did we find a cause for the Hexham Coincidence last night?
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12:46:25 <Taneb> I have raffle tickets 476 through 485 for a raffle tomorrow night
12:48:25 <Taneb> This presents me a significant chance of winning
12:48:46 <Taneb> elliott_: Hexham Golf Club, tomorrow, 7:30 pm, bring money
12:49:52 <Taneb> Money, alcohol, a holiday for dogs!
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12:51:40 <Taneb> If I win top prize, I've made a £43 profit
12:51:53 <Taneb> I could buy 20% of a bitcoin
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12:54:11 <boily> <olsner> Taneb: in french it's probably pronounced something more like boahlee, and it can mean anything <- more like /bwa.li/, but boahlee's close enough.
12:54:38 <boily> otherwise, hi all! today is orangeshirtday!
12:55:37 <Taneb> Then I think next weekend me and some friends are gonna have a superhero movie night before we see Iron Man 3
12:56:40 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover: there's an article in the times
13:00:14 <boily> another unknown metar tokens:
13:00:18 <metasepia> CYUL 191200Z 15014KT 15SM FEW050 SCT080 BKN180 OVC240 14/10 A2969 RMK SC1AC3AC2CI2 SLP054 DENSITY ALT 200FT
13:00:29 <boily> what is density alt?
13:00:44 <fizzie> I was looking at how BiTCoiN was.
13:00:50 <metasepia> EGNT 191250Z 07007KT 050V170 9999 SCT042 09/02 Q1027
13:01:05 <Taneb> I think I've learnt my nearest airport's metar address
13:01:12 <boily> new checklist item: add a ~bitcoin command.
13:01:19 <metasepia> EFHK 191250Z 23013KT 9999 BKN022 07/02 Q1005 NOSIG
13:01:36 <fizzie> That like the "No signal" that I get on my monitor?
13:02:07 <boily> NO SIGnificative observations. all is fine, keep calm, something something carry on and all that sort of things.
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13:05:55 <boily> wiki has an article on desity altitude, but I can't parse the first paragraph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_altitude
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13:07:22 <Taneb> I'd like to see an IATA/ICAO converter
13:07:36 <Taneb> Also, what language is metasepia written in?
13:07:57 <boily> the mapping isn't bijective between IATA and ICAO, but I could go with the most common cases.
13:08:01 <boily> it's written in haskell.
13:08:25 <Taneb> Is it online anywhere?
13:09:11 <boily> no, not yet. I could upload a sdist somewhere, if you're interested.
13:09:44 <Taneb> If there's a git repo I could give you a hand
13:10:31 <boily> I created a repo for the rewrite, but haven't put anything yet because I really lack time to.
13:11:10 <boily> the problem with metasepia's current incarnation is that it relies on old libraries that won't compile with the new error API. besides, simpleirc does not support SSL.
13:14:04 <Taneb> What does fastirc look like?
13:14:08 <boily> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4qrt68vaxo3by7p/cuttlefish-0.1.0.0.tar.gz
13:14:19 <boily> don't know about it. I'll check... ♪
13:14:45 <boily> («Veuillez demeurer en ligne tandis que nous acheminons votre appel...»)
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13:14:55 <atriq> @tell Taneb https://www.dropbox.com/s/4qrt68vaxo3by7p/cuttlefish-0.1.0.0.tar.gz
13:15:07 <atriq> (I wont be home for a couple of hours)
13:15:29 <boily> fastirc received no updates since 2010. doesn't bode well.
13:16:28 <atriq> It may be a case of "write your own"
13:16:37 <atriq> OTOH, the IRC protocol hasn't changed much, ever
13:17:34 <boily> that's the conclusion I came to too. I think I was tryin to inhale the RFC some weeks ago.
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13:21:49 <atriq> I think I've broken webchat
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13:23:09 <atriq> It hadn't opened a new window for #esoteric
13:23:26 <oklofok> is there an underhanded haskell contest
13:23:49 <atriq> That would sound fun
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13:27:20 <Jafet> oklofok: it's redundant
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13:34:15 <Jafet> Yeah. Just don't write any haddocks
13:36:07 <atriq> That's obfuscated, not underhanded
13:37:59 <boily> I'm sure you can squeeze categories to extract their evil essence.
13:38:10 <boily> we should call the result “lemma juice”.
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13:48:39 <atriq> A thing being a category is pretty useless if that's all you know about it
13:50:36 <atriq> You could probably abuse the hell out of Cokleisli arrows, though
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15:00:47 <metasepia> --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
15:00:56 <metasepia> --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
15:00:59 <metasepia> --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
15:01:08 <metasepia> Your divination: "Great Possessing" to "Polarising"
15:02:32 <metasepia> "When you wake up in the morning, Pooh," said Piglet at last,
15:02:32 <metasepia> "what's the first thing you say to yourself?"
15:02:32 <metasepia> "What's for breakfast?" said Pooh. "What do you say, Piglet?"
15:02:32 <metasepia> "I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?" said Piglet.
15:02:32 <metasepia> Pooh nodded thoughtfully. "It's the same thing," he said.
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15:19:56 <boily> ~duck enlightenment
15:19:57 <metasepia> enlightenment definition: the act or means of enlightening.
15:20:36 * boily flagellates duck duck go with a one day old toast that has dampened a bit and lost most of its crispiness
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15:22:56 <boily> ah, the cotaneb is back.
15:23:29 <Taneb> It has learnt well
15:23:29 <Benat> llew tnrael sah tI
15:23:51 <boily> can it mirror a ／?
15:25:45 <Jafet> `run quote Taneb | tac
15:25:50 <HackEgo> 1020) <Taneb> I've also pretended to be Queen Elizabeth the first, but that was a desperate plea for attention \ 960) <ais523> did you know that likes follow you around the internet and steal your browser? <Taneb> I thought that was Phantom_Hoover \ 959) <Taneb> I'm a story about the prohibition of chocolate \ 935) <elliott> well what is time <el
15:26:02 <Jafet> `run quote Taneb | rev
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15:26:20 <Taneb> `pastequotes Taneb
15:26:27 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25395
15:27:47 <ThatOtherPerson> Taneb: When did you pretend to be Queen Elizabeth II, and why?
15:27:58 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson, wrong Elizabeht
15:28:27 <Taneb> I was hungry even though I'd been eating a lot
15:28:34 <Taneb> And one of my friends asked me how I could be
15:28:54 <Taneb> I replied "While I may have the week and feeble body of a woman, I have the heart and stomach of a king"
15:29:02 <Taneb> And rolled with it
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15:29:19 <HackEgo> *poof* <Taneb> coleridge and
15:30:26 <Taneb> (that came from when I was messing with a crop text-to-speech thing, and it kept getting it horribly wrong)
15:30:35 <HackEgo> 738) <Taneb> hang on I have bright idea <Taneb> navajo to f me 1 in 3 people
15:30:41 <HackEgo> Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. (see also: d-modules)
15:30:49 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include D-modules and automatic squirrel feeders
15:31:59 <HackEgo> 847) <Taneb> Gordon Moore's expected lifespan doubles every 18 months
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15:34:59 <ThatOtherPerson> Taneb: wait is this your website: http://www.gardengrapevine.com/SquirrelFeeder.html
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15:35:14 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: jrypbzr: not found
15:35:15 <HackEgo> Gnaro: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
15:35:30 <Taneb> is that... rot13 of me?
15:35:30 <Gnaro> vf gung... ebg13 bs zr?
15:36:44 <boily> worse than kickbanning: being plagued by mysterious bots.
15:38:13 <Taneb> fwhfuiwehfguiwehgieurh
15:38:14 <Gnaro> sjushvjrusthvjrutvrheu
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15:40:05 <Taneb> Have I defeated this one?
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15:43:16 <lambdabot> AnotherTest: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
15:44:13 <AnotherTest> mroman_: not yet, I'll tell you when I use it though. It's interesting anyway
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15:45:15 <elliott> Taneb: were you stalking me.........
15:45:31 <Taneb> elliott, I was mildly curious whether you existed or not
15:46:01 <Taneb> I've had friends turn out to be entirely made up by Canadians in the past, who says it can't happen again
15:46:55 <Taneb> Said Canadian has now disappeared completely
15:48:04 * boily pokes himself in the ribs. “ow”
15:48:16 <boily> I haven't disappeared yet, so all is good :D
15:51:40 <AnotherTest> maybe Taneb himself doesn't exist and he's try to deceive us all?
15:51:53 <Taneb> AnotherTest, there are secondary sources stating I do indeed exist
15:52:33 <Taneb> http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/news/2.2978/students-pass-classic-test-1.288062?referrerPath=home/2.3307
15:52:53 <Taneb> Newspaper article which mentions me entering a latin recitation competition
15:53:49 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson, do you accept the law of the excluded middle?
15:54:40 <Taneb> So therefore I must either exist or not exist
15:54:53 <Taneb> If I did not exist, I would not be able to explain this proof to you
15:55:02 <Taneb> I am explaining this proof to you
15:55:02 <AnotherTest> also, taneb, which one of those kids is supposed to be you?
15:55:10 <Taneb> AnotherTest, Nathan van Doorn
15:55:29 <Taneb> eliott doesn't exist
15:55:49 <ThatOtherPerson> <Taneb> If I did not exist, I would not be able to explain this proof to you <-- why not? Maybe you could.
15:55:52 <Taneb> However, if that were true, I'd suck less
15:56:19 <Taneb> Well, I'd be better at Haskell and worse at socializing
15:56:37 <AnotherTest> Anymay, you might as well be ThatOtherPerson
15:56:58 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson is some other person
15:57:21 <AnotherTest> Can you proof that your are not just that other person?
15:57:21 <Taneb> Not that other person
15:57:48 <Taneb> (also, isn't this philosophically impossible?)
15:57:49 <AnotherTest> "I am me" is still true if you are that other person
15:58:04 <AnotherTest> because that other person is that other person
15:58:30 <AnotherTest> but he's most likely just that other person, not just another person
15:58:33 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson is an American living in Saudi Arabia. I am a Brit/Aussie living in Hexham
15:58:53 <Taneb> As Hexham is not in Saudi Arabia, I am not ThatOtherPerson
15:59:16 <ThatOtherPerson> "American" is such a generic term; it could refer to someone from two entire continents
15:59:27 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson, I am from neither
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15:59:59 <Fiora> taneb, at least I think you exist
16:00:10 <AnotherTest> maybe Taneb is actually a bot created by Fiora!
16:00:32 <Taneb> That doesn't make sense!
16:00:39 <Taneb> Fiora is my sock puppet account!
16:00:40 <boily> scratch AI, and I'll agree :p
16:01:04 <boily> (I mean, Taneb looks pretty natural to me. maybe he's a plant.)
16:01:16 <AnotherTest> so he must be a bot created by another person
16:02:04 <AnotherTest> He said he is himself, not that other person
16:02:19 <AnotherTest> He might be another person though, that's not excluded
16:07:00 <Taneb> elliott, I think the conclusion is that none of us exist
16:08:05 <FireFly> Hexham is probably located at (54.971i°N, 2.101i°W)
16:08:21 <AnotherTest> I probably exist (cogito ergo sum) but you're all illusions
16:09:32 <AnotherTest> I suspect ThatOtherPerson was replaced by a markov chain...
16:11:09 <FireFly> ThatOtherPerson: are you ELIZA?
16:11:56 <FireFly> fungot: meet ThatOtherPerson
16:11:56 <fungot> FireFly: we weren't doing it that way...
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16:12:50 <AnotherTest> I think fungot and that other person have an agreement...
16:12:51 <fungot> AnotherTest: what else operates on s-expressions besides lisp? how come you can't use the same format; i seem to recall the guy saying that he did not
16:13:21 <fungot> AnotherTest: 1) all procedures can be invoked as a procedure has to have gc protections all over the fnord
16:13:41 <FireFly> fungot: *all* over the fnord?!
16:13:41 <fungot> FireFly: i'd have to write ( let ( ( test ( lambda ( cont) ( call/ cc
16:13:57 <FireFly> I think fungot's stuck in a dialect of lisp
16:13:57 <fungot> FireFly: sxml is okmij.org/ ftp/ perl/ fnord/ net/ org, but still
16:14:37 <fungot> ThatOtherPerson: yes but there will always be basilosaurus. and it's not hard work. the hard problems are fun, the first return value is not " always available", that's pretty old...
16:14:58 <fungot> ThatOtherPerson: and they're venturing through cannibal territory. just something to do
16:15:18 <fungot> AnotherTest: on even the most trivial of one-liners.
16:15:19 <ThatOtherPerson> "venturing through cannibal territory" is "just something to do"
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16:15:58 <AnotherTest> fungot: indeed fungot, you're confused on even the most trivial of one-liners
16:15:58 <fungot> AnotherTest: phew! it was a bad sentence? a paragraph? these are strings.
16:16:02 <FireFly> fungot: what else do you do for fun?
16:16:02 <fungot> FireFly: but that's just because i've seen people making parodies of dc which resemble that
16:16:20 <fungot> AnotherTest: was that nm output from dissector.so?" inspired me to read the implementation code to find that mit students have a rather clean backend/ frontend interfaces. however, when case-folding you don't need
16:16:22 <HackEgo> 1021) <ThatOtherPerson> Do you have a girlfriend, fungot? <fungot> ThatOtherPerson: there's two.
16:16:59 <fungot> ThatOtherPerson: undefined variable ' annoy'. you can't infer a static semantic for the language
16:17:51 <HackEgo> 57) * oerjan swats FireFly since he's easier to hit -----### <FireFly> Meh * FireFly dies \ 855) <olsner> FireFly: oh, did you see ion's police reindeer? that was ... at least as on-topic as this discussion
16:17:59 <elliott> `addquote <fungot> ThatOtherPerson: undefined variable ' annoy'. you can't infer a static semantic for the language
16:18:00 <fungot> elliott: fnord)) fnord io system became quite inefficient because of its very own esolang. don't want them on you. perhaps you're feeling your age :) dybvig's name is kent not ken......
16:18:03 <HackEgo> 1036) <fungot> ThatOtherPerson: undefined variable ' annoy'. you can't infer a static semantic for the language
16:18:30 <AnotherTest> elliott: "perhaps you're feeling your age"?
16:18:57 <FireFly> Reminds me of http://xkcd.com/447/
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16:36:26 <fizzie> fungot: Who are venturing through cannibal territory?
16:36:26 <fungot> fizzie: soegaard pasted " from the dark languages over?... so what
16:38:17 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
16:38:43 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
16:39:01 <fungot> Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal)
16:39:12 <fizzie> fungot: Teach me play NetHack.
16:39:13 <fungot> fizzie: lycanthrope, were*, *were: in after days, when the syrian heat is worst, let him drink, and that was an oval plate, the big black cobra, and ran toward the moon is not the only way it can grow up to the _dark_ heavens. he sprang forward and backward, to defend the realm of the camp of the sea. they hated it and let the lord rose and went forth halting; but there moved swiftly to support their lord handmaidens wrought of
16:39:19 <fungot> :ThatOtherPerson: the magic memory vault!' wailed legolas. ' ai, ai!' he said under his father, as they rushed towards him.
16:39:28 <fizzie> fungot: I don't think that will help me much.
16:39:28 <fungot> fizzie: acid blobs should be strong. apes should make the earth. ( the tough guide to fantasyland, by christopher marlowe), and flames began to change.
16:39:40 <fungot> Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
16:39:52 <fizzie> fungot: AnMaster no not markov?
16:39:53 <fungot> fizzie: so, let's say i call them mindless games. if we hit every stupid person, any person going fast and such an apparently non-standard format is being dimensioned by assigning dimensions to them; and sets. maybe thats what them meant by experimental selected so it fnord be useful information regarding the report, mr. owen, i am satisfied, with much ado. your sister is the better part made mercie, i should think at least, th
16:40:04 <fizzie> Ha, I confused it enough.
16:40:36 <fungot> Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673)
16:41:29 <fizzie> fungot: Do you have any new styles you'd want in you?
16:41:30 <fungot> fizzie: but a vague, it's like trying to get it, but alright later
16:41:31 <fungot> AnotherTest: examine the wall behind his own back. it keeps happening. you seem to have a knack for always guessing right on the first try!
16:42:43 <fizzie> fungot: It certainly does.
16:42:43 <fungot> fizzie: so, you give up, jade is my slime tube and this is a new game. there is a heavy amount of time i will say you are only here to deliver a message and then i'll put a mean game of blackjack.
16:43:53 <elliott> fizzie: how about a style with... uhh
16:44:21 <fizzie> The problem with styles is, they require a tiny modicum of effort from me.
16:44:27 <elliott> right but you just volunteered
16:45:15 <elliott> fizzie: do you have any corpi of speech that has been speech-recognitiated
16:45:47 <ThatOtherPerson> fizzie: how does fungot's input affect the markov chain it produces?
16:45:48 <fungot> ThatOtherPerson: you have a great appreciation for the fine arts. you use the hammer and nails. they will come a day
16:46:47 <fizzie> ThatOtherPerson: It does not.
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16:47:28 <fizzie> ThatOtherPerson: In fact, the Befunge code doesn't even have any functionality of getting from text to the list of tokens the babble-generation uses.
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16:47:52 <fizzie> AnotherTest: I've done character-grams with the Perl prototype, but the Befunge code forces spaces between every token (except punctuation).
16:48:17 <fizzie> `run words 20 # it generally doesn't look all that different from this
16:48:22 <HackEgo> arbie vygamoscr tcr thiiten dica dascopa fonixo ood unt aquisan unhood pugna phallano profed schen carrin mating prec voring pturea
16:48:33 <fizzie> Well, maybe there's a bit more across-word context.
16:48:50 <fungot> ThatOtherPerson: he is so silly! john!! :d
16:49:00 <HackEgo> quoyard rekte schmay zeanid osama
16:49:11 <HackEgo> kanansa saansimmällä vaikkisimma kyttäviltansa suosimpinesti kauttavistolaisemme vallongelleen jumpaamikseen sisäkämme maksulatiinsa
16:49:13 <fungot> ThatOtherPerson: but in a more platonic sense, and with a more specific social purpose. it no matter what the dice. you just don't have a very exciting 24 hours or so.
16:49:23 <fizzie> (`words is not my thing.)
16:49:32 <HackEgo> effi metrin seedizungen sozialemaution darbeikante worens zehnappaet vers kotycholtmeis ausgen
16:50:28 <HackEgo> damoverv servei pruiflft kpé aprofilo kônicrois geron jasion ant phab
16:50:40 <HackEgo> valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M
16:50:44 <fizzie> That's what it knows about.
16:51:09 <HackEgo> shoop grass rpos .ger clc-inter topline bloopuf reversion 1l brainlolcode
16:51:49 <HackEgo> 960) <boily> oerjan: on those days, I'm sure this channel becomes some kind of SCP.
16:52:06 <HackEgo> 959) <ais523> did you know that likes follow you around the internet and steal your browser? <Taneb> I thought that was Phantom_Hoover
16:54:02 <elliott> that's gotta be a quality language
16:54:12 <fizzie> "bloopuf" sounds nice.
16:58:01 <HackEgo> gol bitz linter opting pleaseporth dobelatlis smill orthagonal gemo recurscrambda pax objectpar var 01_ arro hang better tame tript mouse
16:58:35 <HackEgo> konfiden avhjälvs rande avpapplikhet hyranda överräd vinpigolo blyerna syftninga etensierna
16:59:14 <olsner> those words do look very swedish
16:59:43 <FireFly> I wonder what "avpapplikhet" would mean
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17:00:55 <olsner> hyranda translates as "renting spirit" (not an actual thing but could very well be)
17:01:10 <olsner> and överräd would be something like an "over-raid"
17:02:51 <olsner> that'd be "similarity to avpapp", but avpapp doesn't mean anything unfortunately
17:03:36 <olsner> av papp is "(made) of cardboard", but only as two words
17:04:18 <HackEgo> wymi niematyczytona karnych zaognijektyzując nieporalowanie dręta niepooszczo rożnawoźniach upłciliłaś pogacyjne
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17:04:49 <fizzie> `words --eng-fiction 10
17:04:53 <HackEgo> trelic kapa cougt hood reich nuchid repairb vira cala ausweep
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17:06:15 <FireFly> `words --canadian-english-insane 10
17:06:19 <HackEgo> talized phobiac off kohalimacupilful daptione sphacheated uplian unequelchygrei wallotched unperflowly
17:06:46 <fizzie> kohalimacupilful, unequelchygrei.
17:06:47 <FireFly> Such an unperflowly day today
17:06:56 <fizzie> Is that how Canadians speak?
17:08:08 <FreeFull> reich isn't really an English word
17:08:26 <HackEgo> Unknown option: british-english
17:08:28 <Jafet> An okay day today, eh
17:08:40 <HackEgo> con bil geabt gropy undelia dawa tia guaniation don jigger
17:09:00 <fizzie> `run words --eng-us 10 # for comparison
17:09:03 <HackEgo> lobo nigh pal fcentnou lavethneveaa njh eichon tacho balflein lie
17:09:18 <fizzie> Americans lie, while Britons con people.
17:09:55 <kmc> shit is extremely real in boston
17:09:58 <FireFly> 'njh' seems hard to pronounciate
17:10:01 <kmc> everything is shut down except dunkin donuts
17:10:15 <elliott> can't shut down dunkin donuts
17:10:22 <kmc> seriously, the authorities requested that dunkin donuts stay open to supply the cops
17:10:42 <Bike> tbf dunkin donuts is pretty great
17:10:58 <Bike> cop jokes or not
17:11:13 <elliott> i've never had dunkin donuts, the poverty of britain
17:11:34 <kmc> http://www.businessinsider.com/boston-dunkin-donuts-stays-open-2013-4
17:11:42 <FreeFull> elliott: You can buy a freshly fried sugary doughnut at the beach. Isn't that good enough?
17:12:00 <fizzie> "There was an automated message going around telling businesses to close, but because we're Dunkin' Donuts, we called the police department and they said we didn't have to."
17:12:17 <olsner> why should businesses close at all?
17:12:37 <kmc> one of the marathon bombing suspects is at large
17:12:38 <fizzie> "We're Dunkin' f'ing Donats, we don't close."
17:12:47 <fizzie> I haven't had a dunked do-not either; the poverty of Finland.
17:12:48 <elliott> i can't tell if fizzie's quotes are real or not
17:13:01 <olsner> and closing everything down helps what how?
17:13:03 <fizzie> elliott: The first one was from the article kmc linked. The second one I made up.
17:13:15 <kmc> last night they robbed a 7-Eleven, shot and killed a cop at MIT, carjacked a SUV and drove it to Watertown where they started throwing bombs at police
17:13:20 <kmc> this is some grand theft auto shit
17:13:31 <kmc> there are helicopters everywhere, they have 5 stars by now for sure
17:13:54 <fizzie> olsner: I suppose it helps because people who stay indoors don't get shot?
17:14:06 <kmc> olsner: keeps innocent people out of harm's way, and keeps them from getting in the way of the cops etc.
17:14:07 <Bike> i went and googled news from when i was asleep and the names of the shooters are totaly different now?
17:14:15 <Bike> they've morphed from indian to chechen
17:14:21 <Gregor> I'm trying to understand why a pair who planted bombs at the Boston Marathon would make their next action robbing a 7-Eleven.
17:14:32 <kmc> Gregor: yeah, everyone seems to be confused about that
17:14:37 <FireFly> It doesn't exactly seem to be the next logical step
17:14:38 <kmc> given that they'd been successfully hiding out for days
17:14:43 <fizzie> Gregor: "Maybe they were thirsty?"
17:14:55 <kmc> yeah I expect that will be in the next Slurpee ad
17:15:22 <elliott> kmc: wait that's the same guy?
17:15:25 <olsner> I thought "they" were unrelated upset people who decided to go crazy
17:15:27 <elliott> i heard about the mit thing briefly
17:15:28 <Gregor> "Planting bombs to kill and maim innocents is thisty work. Slurpee™"
17:15:41 <elliott> maybe the dunkin donuts thing is a trap
17:15:46 <elliott> they know the suspect really likes donuts
17:15:46 <kmc> elliott: media is reporting that it's the same people
17:15:54 <Gregor> Yeah, the media suggests that they're the same.
17:16:11 <olsner> elliott: is that pronounced duffnuts?
17:16:13 <fizzie> The names were different in the morning, though.
17:16:16 <elliott> why would they be the same
17:16:35 <kmc> the suspects lived just up the street from me and apparently the cops are going to blow something up at their house later today
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17:17:04 <elliott> kmc: i like this mental image of they're just going to blow their shit up as retaliatino
17:17:55 <kmc> elliott: heh
17:18:02 <kmc> Phantom_Hoover: heh
17:18:05 <kmc> hehs all around
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17:18:58 <olsner> aha, and MIT is in boston
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17:19:38 <Taneb> Isn't Cambridge a suburb of Boston
17:19:41 <Phantom_Hoover> and they were like "well cambridge in england was pretty sweet, we should get in on that"
17:19:59 <Gregor> Phantom_Hoover: Microsoft Research has labs in both Cambridges, just to be maximally confusing ;)
17:20:03 <Bike_> "Actual Dialogue On Police Scanner // COP1: In and out real quick. // COP2: Yeah that's what they call me, John in-and-out-real-quick Smith."
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17:20:45 <Phantom_Hoover> imo: police should have to go through a mandatory joke training course
17:20:56 <kmc> Cambridge isn't a suburb exactly; the part that's across from Boston is about as urban as Boston
17:21:03 <kmc> both cities extend out into suburbish areas
17:21:12 <fizzie> Bike: Was COP2's name really John Smith?
17:21:24 <Gregor> elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford,_Mississippi
17:21:47 <Bike> fizzie: would be weird, eh
17:21:51 <kmc> it's more like Manhattan / Brooklyn or SF / Oakland except for the part where Oakland is terrible
17:22:07 <fizzie> Now I wonder if there's any Finnish place names copied into the US.
17:22:27 <boily> fizzie: maybe in north flyover country?
17:22:28 <elliott> Gregor: does it have a university
17:22:37 <Gregor> elliott: The University of Mississippi.
17:22:41 <Gregor> Luckily, the University of Mississippi is as unnotable as one would expect the University of Mississippi to be.
17:22:45 <fizzie> boily: http://www.genealogia.fi/place/ apparently there's quite a few names in Finnish.
17:22:48 <elliott> a place in the south that's pretty finnish right
17:22:53 <elliott> do you know what i mean this is a vague memory
17:23:01 <kmc> fizzie: there were a lot of swedes and norwegian immigrants to the north midwest (Iowa / Minnesotta / Wisconsin), possibly some Finns or at least some Finnish names too
17:23:02 <fizzie> Yes, I have a vague memory like that too.
17:23:28 <boily> wooooah, we have finnish places in Québec.
17:23:40 <fizzie> Apparently there's an Oulu in Wisconsin, at least.
17:24:18 <fizzie> (Most of them seem to be just Finnishy names, not actual Finnish places; at least big places. But Oulu's probably in our top-10 city list. Not that that's saying much.)
17:24:23 <boily> I doubt the «Maki» places are really finnish, but then we at least have a «Île du Finlandais».
17:24:51 <kmc> place names are sometimes quite strange
17:24:57 <elliott> fizzie: right but i mean like
17:25:01 <elliott> the people there are actually descended from finns?
17:25:05 <elliott> and i guess they maybe speak finnish?
17:25:31 <olsner> they probably don't speak finnish anymore
17:25:32 <kmc> Elkader, Iowa is named after Abd al-Qadir al-Jaza'iri who was an Algerian anti-colonial leader
17:25:51 <kmc> he saved a bunch of Christians from being massacred in Syria
17:26:21 <fizzie> elliott: There's something something something like that.
17:26:28 <Bike> oh, he was a leader in the invasion, not independence
17:26:39 <fizzie> They have some kind of being-Finnishy festival maybe and something.
17:26:49 <olsner> in a rhotic(?) accent I guess Qadir and Qaida would sound the same
17:26:55 <boily> what does it feel like to be finnishy?
17:27:01 <fizzie> There was an article about some place like that in Finnair's in-flight magazine.
17:27:01 <kmc> '... October 16, 1852, when he was released by then-President Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte and given an annual pension of 100 000 francs on taking an oath never again to disturb Algeria'
17:27:10 <Bike> and he was a freemason
17:27:14 <kmc> so then he's like "fuck it, moving to Damascus"
17:27:19 <HackEgo> 690) <olsner> I think I know less about rhotic accents now than I have ever known before
17:27:22 <Gregor> olsner: You mean non-rhotic, and not really.
17:27:40 <fizzie> "Today, the greatest concentration of Finnish Americans is in Michigan Upper Peninsula, where they form 16% of the population, and are the largest ancestral group in the peninsula's western counties.[3] The largest Finnish community in the United States, and the largest outside of Fennoscandia, is in Lake Worth, Florida, south of West Palm Beach, Florida. WLUC-TV in Michigan’s Upper ...
17:27:46 <fizzie> ... Peninsula, broadcasts the country's only Finnish cultural show weekly. The show called “Finland Calling” is hosted by Carl Pellonpaa and will be celebrating its 50th anniversary on air in March 2012.[4] Stanton Township, Michigan is the place in the U.S. with the largest proportion of people with Finnish ancestry, at 47%.[5]"
17:27:51 <fizzie> It was probably one of those.
17:28:22 <fizzie> Probably Lake Worth, because they have a yearly "Finlandia Week".
17:29:35 <elliott> right michigan sounds about right
17:31:04 <fizzie> "The Finnish sauna and the concept of sisu have been adopted widely by residents of the Upper Peninsula."
17:31:56 <fizzie> "Street signs in Hancock appear in English and Finnish to celebrate this heritage." I think that would be quite weird to run across accidentally.
17:32:34 <pikhq_> fizzie: Lindsborg, KS would probably also be weird to come across by accident.
17:32:39 <kmc> is finlandia like portlandia
17:32:57 <FireFly> Lindsborg sounds suspiciously swedish
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17:33:35 <pikhq_> It's a town settled by Swedish immigrants that plays up its heritage.
17:33:37 <fizzie> "Some Finnish foods such as juustoa (squeaky cheese, essentially a cheese curd, like Leipäjuusto) and sauna makkara (a ring-bologna sausage) have become so ubiquitous in Upper Peninsula cuisine --" what. "juustoa" just means "cheese" (partitive case), and "sauna makkara" should be written without a space.
17:35:03 <boily> one point French has got right is the partitive case. tack a «du» or «de la» in front of a noun, and that's it!
17:35:45 <boily> (or «des», if you feel like it.)
17:35:45 <Bike> americofinnish
17:36:05 <fizzie> We mostly just add "-a", sometimes "-ta" if necessary.
17:36:47 <boily> darn. Finnish's simpler.
17:37:24 <fizzie> ...I guess it does vowel harmony thing so that it's sometimes -ä, and I guess consonant gradation occurs in the stem...
17:37:47 <fizzie> Maybe it's not so simple.
17:38:41 <boily> saved by the vowel härmony.
17:39:42 <fizzie> Like, "mäki" turns into "mäkeä", but not all "-i"-ending words do, I guess it could depend on the constant.
17:40:02 <zzo38> I am working on making some Dungeons&Dragons prestige classes
17:40:11 <fizzie> "Characteristic ending: -ta/-tä, where the 't' elides if intervocalic. The consonant stem of a noun (if any) comes from the partitive singular. Otherwise the ending is added to the strong vowel stem."
17:43:41 <fizzie> Bah, it's not like native speakers would ever know anything about the grammar of their own language.
17:44:29 <HackEgo> unisemmissäni arvaitsi happivaltasa leimme kuuloisemmiksen alimen moittäviin liukiosta ajakseen tolisimmana korissansa jatkeaksensä avullituilta alisella harvostaan pakatkalla fasi milla paksavillätyn saani ikärrettävistavampii näköissänne vainasi käynnillasi rajoistaan
17:44:59 <Gregor> I would live in a city called Happivaltasa or Harvostaan.
17:45:03 <boily> people here can't make no difference between -er/-é/-ée/-és/-ées/-ez/-ai.
17:45:12 <Gregor> Happivaltasa is better than Sadvaltassa.
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17:53:55 <fizzie> "Happivalta" would be something like "oxygen rule/reign/power/authority/etc". ('valta' is a bit difficult to translate exactly.)
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18:09:45 <Gregor> I'd name some zero-carbon-footprint hippyville "Happivalta"
18:10:27 <kmc> i interpreted "oxygen authority" as the ruling body that decides who gets oxygen in some post-apocalyptic dystopia
18:11:01 <kmc> speaking of post-apocalyptic, here are photos of Cambridge on lockdown: http://www.cambridgeday.com/2013/04/19/nice-shot-cambridge-on-lockdown/
18:11:31 <kmc> 'Neighbors describe bombing suspect as a normal, quiet student'
18:11:34 <kmc> it's always a normal, quiet student
18:11:41 <kmc> also this channel is full of normal, quiet students
18:11:44 <elliott> speaking of post-apocalyptic, massachusetts
18:11:46 * kmc is scared now
18:11:55 <Gregor> I am neither normal nor quiet.
18:12:00 <elliott> are you sure this channel is full of normal, quiet students
18:12:02 <boily> since when students are normally quiet??? students are loud, obnoxious and studenty!
18:12:03 <Gregor> I'm wearing orange slacks today.
18:12:04 <kmc> elliott: you're just bitter because we kicked your asses 238 years ago
18:12:19 <elliott> that photo looks like it was taken in the 70s
18:12:19 <olsner> I am "normal" and quiet
18:12:24 <elliott> like it has the colour all buildings in photos from the 70s do
18:12:32 <olsner> no longer a student though!
18:12:35 <Gregor> elliott: It's probably some Instagram bullshit.
18:12:36 <kmc> yeah i think it was instagrammed or some shit
18:18:08 <kmc> in between utterances?
18:28:52 <fizzie> kmc: That's how I interpreted "Happivalta" too.
18:29:15 <fizzie> (I'm quiet and... normal.)
18:30:06 <boily> if there's one thing that SATW has taught me, is that Finnish people are quiet.
18:30:46 <fizzie> Either as a ruling body, or possibly as a description of the system of government.
18:31:46 <fizzie> Hey, there's a new Finland-specific SATW up.
18:31:58 <fizzie> (I only check it monthly or so.)
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18:33:18 <Gregor> "Today was a good day."
18:33:28 <fizzie> The people in the video in the link are speaking Russian or something similar, though.
18:33:55 <Gregor> Aww :(. Maybe they're from... uh, the Russian part of Finland.
18:34:17 <fizzie> The license plats on the cars look Finnish.
18:34:34 <fizzie> Could be Russian tourists, why would a Finn videograph such an everyday occurrence?
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18:39:37 <metasepia> A pleat is a type of fold formed by doubling fabric back upon itself and securing it in place.
18:39:43 <fizzie> Aw, I was hoping for a cycle.
18:42:57 <Gregor> I have NEVER heard a pleat called a "plait" or a "plat".
18:43:01 <Gregor> "Plait" sounds Irish to me.
18:46:13 <fizzie> There sure are a lot of physics pleatformers these days.
18:46:50 <fizzie> Lookitthat, Portal 2 is 75% off. I should've waited.
18:46:58 <fizzie> (I think it was 66% off when I bought it.)
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19:50:18 <Taneb> I just rewatched a film I last saw when I was about 6
19:50:25 <Taneb> It was pretty good
19:51:12 <boily> was it jurassic park?
19:51:29 <Taneb> It was the Emperor's New Groove
19:52:34 <Fiora> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUFzV3Mpzfw still the best scene from that movie
19:58:36 <kmc> i dunno, i think "Why do we even *have* that lever?" is the take-away quote from that movie
19:58:45 <kmc> useful in so many situations
19:59:03 <Bike> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHUKBaFetJY "nice" syria short film thing by frontline
19:59:43 <Fiora> that movie, just, that movie
19:59:56 <Bike> i'll turn him into a fly, a harmless little fly
20:07:49 <Taneb> I also like today's Freefall
20:11:54 <Taneb> ...it's been in the same short story arc since 2007
20:12:29 <Taneb> For about as long as I've been reading it
20:12:37 <boily> speaking about webcomics, has anything significative happened in the past few months of Girl Genius?
20:14:42 <boily> guess I have no choice but to drudge through that castle arc, then.
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20:19:19 <Taneb> You're free to do whatever you want!
20:19:19 <Taneb> Give up on Girl Genius and read El Goonish Shive if you want to!
20:19:52 <boily> Taneb: ah no. I dropped EGS too!
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20:19:57 <metasepia> CYUL 192000Z 16019KT 30SM FEW060 SCT090 OVC160 21/12 A2944 RMK SC1AC3AS4 SLP969 DENSITY ALT 1400FT
20:20:21 <Taneb> Send an email to that guy my dad used to work with to finish Goost 26!
20:21:17 <Taneb> http://goost26.blogspot.co.uk/
20:22:55 <boily> by fear of a NSFW link, I'll be trying to remember to click on that sometime later.
20:23:29 <boily> oh well. here it goes.
20:23:36 <Taneb> It's a promising but orphaned sci-fi comic
20:24:06 <boily> the click, it was made. the scroll rolled, the page viewed, the 2009 noted.
20:27:35 <Taneb> Gunnerkrigg Court?
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20:35:19 <Fiora> Bike: http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/grb this is cool~
20:35:56 <Fiora> "[...] from a theoretical point of view we didn’t initially expect explosions at all. The amazing thing is that nature seems to have found ways of blowing up a wide range of stars in the most dramatic and violent way.”
20:36:52 <oklofok> http://rnd.fi/ukkopeli/ i made a new game
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20:37:48 <elliott> oklofok: your website is very professional
20:38:03 <Fiora> http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.2392 oh cool there's a paper
20:38:49 <Fiora> wow, it lasted like 7 hours...
20:39:05 <elliott> oklofok: how do you play the game is it a secret
20:39:06 <boily> oklofok: uhm... there's a green square falling down?
20:39:16 <oklofok> elliott: yes it's very professional
20:39:30 <Bike> how do we observe GRBs
20:39:40 <Bike> since i was under the impression that a GRB hitting Earth would kil everything
20:39:59 <Fiora> I think it's "a gamma ray burst from a supernova 100 light years away, pointed directly at us, might destroy the ozone layer"?
20:40:22 <oklofok> i can make it faster if you have a slow computer
20:40:46 <Bike> Fiora: so is it like far away
20:40:53 <elliott> i can see my green thing fall step by step
20:41:03 <elliott> and it can take a little while for my keypress to happen
20:41:18 <Fiora> Bike: the redshift is z=0.677
20:41:24 <oklofok> it's supposed to be jittery
20:41:36 <oklofok> hard to make the ai otherwise
20:41:37 <Bike> this may shock you but i have no idea what that means distance-wise
20:42:02 <oklofok> well it should move 4 times a second
20:42:15 <elliott> right it's about that slow I guess
20:42:30 <Fiora> um, this calculator says 7.9GLy comoving distance
20:42:39 <Bike> that's pretty far
20:42:41 <Fiora> 13.33 GLy luminosity distance
20:42:51 <Fiora> comoving is I think the normal one ("how far the light took to get to us")
20:42:56 <elliott> oklofok: it feels like my keypresses are dropped if i don't make them at the "right moment"
20:42:58 <Fiora> vs luminosity ("how far it is now")
20:43:15 <Bike> so that's several billion lightyears
20:43:18 <shachaf> oklofok: i got over 179 points in your game
20:43:22 <Fiora> that's a lot of light years
20:43:28 <oklofok> j and l are something you hold
20:43:50 <fizzie> I am getting points and I am not pressing anything.
20:43:52 <Fiora> I don't think there are any candidate stares remotely close enough to be dangerous, GRB-wise?
20:43:57 <oklofok> shachaf: i think that's roughly how much you get if you wait for the guys to hop up and just jump down then?
20:44:03 <Fiora> there's one that's close-ish but its axis isn't aimed anywhere near us
20:44:09 <fizzie> It is at 400 and counting now.
20:44:09 <Bike> well that's "good"
20:44:12 <elliott> imo this game would be more playable if it animated you moving between turns
20:44:13 <oklofok> fizzie: you get points all the time, and you die when the dudes catch you
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20:44:26 <fizzie> oklofok: But what if I'm standing in a place the dudes can't get to?
20:45:01 <oklofok> then you get infinity points i guess
20:46:09 <oklofok> so err, feel free to program other movements, just change the virostatemachine or ukkostatemachine
20:46:14 <shachaf> oklofok: whoa, dude, over 405 points
20:46:17 <Fiora> Bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_echoes also these things are so cool
20:46:17 <oklofok> ukkostatemachine is how you move
20:46:19 <fizzie> oklofok: I mean this is where I'm at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130419-dudegame.png
20:46:30 <oklofok> virostatemachine is how the enemies move
20:46:42 <Fiora> they can use light echoes to image things that haven't been visible for thousands/millions of years
20:47:09 <Koen_> oklofok: HOW DO I MAKE HIM MOVE
20:47:17 <fizzie> Yay a thousand points. I don't think I'm going to move.
20:47:18 <Koen_> the red thingies keep coming at me
20:47:22 <Fiora> like they observed light from SN 1572 in 2008
20:47:23 <Koen_> and I keep coming at them
20:47:38 <oklofok> a state machine is new Array(number of states, number of buttons which has to be 4, function which takes current state and pressed keys and a function that tells you where walls are and returns new state and which way to move)
20:47:39 <Koen_> and I don't know how to move otherwise than in a straight line
20:48:06 <oklofok> fizzie: that indeed seems unreachable
20:48:36 <fizzie> oklofok: I suppose it means I'm going to have to leave it overnight. :/
20:48:37 <oklofok> moves you upward for 5 ticks
20:48:37 <Bike> "it grew from an apparent visual size of 4 to 7 light years in a matter of months" dag
20:48:43 <Koen_> oklofok: ok, j and l work
20:48:53 <oklofok> jumping works if there's a black under you
20:48:55 <Koen_> but i works one out of three times or something
20:50:41 <boily> “you are my gravity, gravity... ♪”
20:51:11 <oklofok> i mainly wanted to try "dijkstra with states", so you can write an arbitrary movement FSM and the AI uses that
20:56:51 <pikhq_> kmc: I hear it's still mad over there.
20:57:15 <FireFly> oklofok: mind making arrows work as well?
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20:57:52 <FireFly> j/i/l are kind-of inconveniently positioned on dvorak
20:58:10 <kmc> pikhq_: yep
20:58:15 <shachaf> fizzie: ☝ elliott abusing his voice powers ☝
20:58:22 <shachaf> Remember when he was just going to keep Gregor voiced?
20:58:25 <elliott> 21:57:16 <shachaf> And then -v a few people
20:58:27 <elliott> 21:57:20 <shachaf> Even though they're already -v
20:58:30 <elliott> 21:57:24 <shachaf> -v them *again*, man
20:58:50 <shachaf> I wasn't talking about #esoteric!
20:58:56 <shachaf> In fact I wasn't talking about any channel.
20:59:04 <elliott> wait, what happened to Gregor's voice?
20:59:10 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +v Gregor.
20:59:14 <Bike> you're dropping the ball here elliott
20:59:19 <elliott> it's ok. everything's ok. it's ok
20:59:30 <shachaf> elliott and I were sharing a little fantasy there.
20:59:41 <shachaf> Perhaps elliott can't keep real life and fantasy apart.
21:00:51 <elliott> but nobody else can voice Gregor like i can.
21:01:58 <Koen_> oklofok: http://imgur.com/W8gUtNi the red dots are now moving in a circle without noticing me
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21:05:14 <Koen_> oklofok: I kinda feel bad for them they're gonna go home empty-handed, their families are gonna starve and everyone in the village is gonna make fun of them for not catching any lil green dot
21:09:15 <kmc> Student's t test was invented for testing beer
21:10:39 <fizzie> Koen_: I have 6300 points at the moment.
21:14:08 <Koen_> the only things missing in that game are ladders and the ability to dig holes to trap the mad monks
21:14:34 <fizzie> They are mad monks? I've missed the backstory, it seems.
21:15:20 <shachaf> "monk" is actually an abbreviation for "mad onk"
21:15:32 <Koen_> of course they're mad monks! what did you think they were, robots? duh
21:15:34 <shachaf> But there are no sane onks anymore, so no one ever uses the word.
21:15:57 <FireFly> At least you could still get those
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21:16:50 <FireFly> I think what that game is missing is that it isn't taking place on a torus
21:17:26 <Koen_> but then you could just run endlessly
21:19:30 <Fiora> Bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Type_Ia_supernova_simulation_-_Argonne_National_Laboratory.jpg
21:21:13 <Fiora> rayleigh-taylor instability~~
21:21:28 <Bike> http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-can-anyone-ever-truly-know-anything-what,32116/ boston's going well
21:21:54 <Fiora> the onion on epistemology
21:22:11 <Fiora> " Is our only option to continue believing everything we experience, in a phenomenological sense, and ignore the true possibility that all that truly is, has been, and will be, is an illusion, a shadow cast upon the wall of eternity?"
21:22:47 <Fiora> http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-has-the-word-breaking-lost-all-its-meanin,32115/ http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-still-nothing,32114/ oh my gosh the onion
21:22:51 <Fiora> http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-no-news-breaking,32113/
21:22:52 <boily> “America's Finest News Source”, and I believe it.
21:23:02 <Fiora> the onion is brutal
21:23:35 <Bike> in non-onion news, Fox clarified for its viewers that Chechens are not Caucasian
21:24:02 <Fiora> is there like. a rigorous definition of what caucasian is?
21:24:10 <olsner> isn't chechnia quite close to the area called caucasus?
21:24:26 <Bike> chechnya is literally in the caucasus mountain range yes
21:24:35 <Fiora> yeah, that's... that's what I was thinking
21:24:42 <Taneb> So, chechnya is a good deal more caucasian than, say, Hexham
21:24:44 <Fiora> aren't they like, more caucasian than anyone here
21:24:44 <Bike> (the joke is Fox)
21:25:19 <Bike> it's pretty great how "the true" caucasians are historically Islamic and presently part of Russia
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21:26:46 <elliott> Fiora: caucasian it's kind of like rice
21:26:50 <elliott> http://mancunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/couscous.jpg
21:27:10 <Bike> that's a shitty photo but i think i'd eat it
21:27:17 <Bike> the food and also the photo itself
21:27:29 <elliott> fuck you blame google image search :(
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21:33:57 <Bike> does category theory actually involve the word "superlarge"
21:34:02 <Bike> (referring to the category of classes)
21:34:14 <elliott> that does sound superlarge
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21:35:04 <Taneb> It sets my soul alight
21:35:44 <Taneb> (it's a song lyric I think)
21:35:51 <Taneb> (superlarge categories)
21:35:54 <elliott> Taneb.............................................
21:38:40 <Taneb> (ooh baby you're a foolish monoid, ooh baby I'm a semigroup)
21:38:55 <Bike> elliott: imo devoice taneb
21:38:56 <elliott> Taneb........................................................................................................................................
21:39:05 <Fiora> I read that as "divorce taneb"
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21:39:23 <elliott> we are probably married and don't even know it given that we live in the same town
21:39:46 <Bike> y'all should get really drunk, or like, whatever you do in hexha
21:39:49 <Bike> probably nothing
21:40:00 <Taneb> (you've got an identity~y, how long until we see a loop?)
21:40:40 <elliott> Bike: i have never met taneb
21:40:46 <Bike> that's stupid.
21:41:13 <shachaf> imo elliott should meet Taneb
21:41:18 <shachaf> and/or Taneb should meet elliott
21:42:01 <fizzie> And elliott should meet elliott, and Taneb meet Taneb.
21:42:19 <elliott> Bike: it's improbable, that's what
21:42:29 <Bike> "In 1761, the Hexham Riot took place in the Market Place when a crowd protesting about changes in the criteria for serving in the militia was fired upon by troops from North Yorkshire Militia." how ironic
21:42:35 <shachaf> fizzie: Those should be and/and and or/or.
21:42:36 <elliott> well it's not that improbable since i don't generally meet people anyway
21:42:44 <elliott> i've been here since 2004.
21:42:49 <Bike> imo you should meet people
21:43:02 <shachaf> especially when those people are Taneb?
21:43:16 <Bike> that's pretty mean to your good friend Taneb
21:43:18 <shachaf> i'm talking about the ==Bike part
21:43:29 <Bike> "Hexham" was used in the Borders as a euphemism for "Hell". Hence the term "To Hexham wi’ you an’ ye’r whussel!", recorded in 1873, and the popular expresion "Gang to Hexham!".[7] "Hexham-birnie" is derived from the term and means "an indefinitely remote place".[7][8]
21:44:15 <kmc> is it Hexham History Month already
21:44:25 <shachaf> every month is Hexham History Month
21:44:29 <shachaf> when you're in Hexham.................
21:44:37 <Taneb> We've got an old gaol
21:45:06 <olsner> when you're in hexham you're history?
21:45:17 <Bike> http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/opinion/hextol holy christ
21:45:22 <Taneb> There was a riot in Hexham once
21:45:45 <shachaf> when is Taneb moving to America anyway
21:46:22 <Bike> http://www.atasteoftynedale.co.uk/Hexham-Abbey.jpg
21:46:36 <elliott> Taneb: have you ever been on the local news
21:46:50 <Bike> http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/tourism/webcams is this a picture of elliott
21:47:19 <elliott> Bike: wow it wants me to install java
21:47:21 <shachaf> have you ever been on the global news
21:47:33 <shachaf> i'm not installing j a v a....... . ...
21:48:03 <Bike> elliott: well it looks like it's night there, along with the whole abbey thing i' assuming hexham is a few years behind in the tech department
21:48:04 <Taneb> Being elected to Youth Parliament
21:48:20 <elliott> okay that was not my context
21:48:41 <elliott> should i go run to the abbey and hold up a sign saying FUCK BIKE
21:48:42 <olsner> oh, the hexham courant has a dedicated section of farming news
21:49:30 <shachaf> http://guyopperman.blogspot.com/2011/11/uk-youth-parliament.html
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21:49:33 <elliott> you'll run there while i do
21:49:56 <Bike> see this is how you can bond, make fuckbike signs together
21:50:00 <Taneb> shachaf, I'm one of those people in the picture
21:50:14 <elliott> a fuckbike sounds like something else entirely
21:50:25 <Bike> it would, to a PERV
21:50:26 <elliott> also "Andrew Elliott" "Elliott" what the fuck
21:50:33 <Taneb> I don't think so, shachaf
21:50:55 <Taneb> For a start, there's 73 people here and only 4 people in the picture
21:51:26 <shachaf> um, most of the people here don't exist and/or aren't people hth
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21:52:18 <Taneb> And I'm pretty sure you are not me or Andrew Elliott or Tom Brookes or Guy Opperman
21:52:22 * Bike glares at taneb
21:53:17 <shachaf> oh wow in .uk they actually say "pupil"
21:53:32 <Phantom_Hoover> http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/opinion/hextol/we-re-left-without-a-seat-following-a-very-strenuous-shift-1.1036352?referrerPath=opinion/hextol
21:54:44 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: uh we went to do this golf thing with the school i was at at the time
21:54:51 <elliott> and they filmed it and used some of the footage
21:55:33 <elliott> Taneb: btw i don't know a single thing about guy opperman (actually i know nothing at all about hexham politics), can i apply my blanket hate-tories rule
21:55:50 <Taneb> elliott, he seems nice but he is a tory
21:56:20 <olsner> more news from hexham http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/no-title-1.202232
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21:56:55 <Taneb> elliott, I need to work out who to vote for in the council election
21:57:04 <Bike> you kids can vote now?
21:58:01 <elliott> Taneb: what are even the options
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21:58:48 <elliott> wow what the fuck the abbey clock is broken
22:00:06 <Taneb> In my council constituency (Hexham East) there's a tory, a labour, a lib dem, and a UKIP ice cream man
22:00:23 <elliott> http://guyopperman.blogspot.co.uk/p/profile_14.html hm this guy actually sounds decent
22:00:59 <Taneb> It's more or less the same in the other two thirds of Hexham, but only Hexham East has an ice cream man as a candidate!
22:01:11 <Fiora> oh my gosh. the first sentence of the description for "UKIP" on their google results summary
22:01:14 <Bike> vote for the ice cr- oh, UKIP
22:01:15 <Fiora> "Libertarian, non-racist party seeking Britain's withdrawal from the European Union. "
22:01:25 <Fiora> like. they actually say. "non-racist"
22:01:30 <elliott> yes UKIP do that in their tv ads too
22:01:34 <Bike> just clarifying!!
22:01:37 <elliott> "don't be tempted to vote for an extremist party"
22:01:44 <elliott> i won't vote for bnp *or* ukip
22:01:54 <Fiora> That's like the equivalent of "I'm not racist, but..."
22:02:13 <Bike> Fiora: it's not really the equivalent so much as the literally the same exact shit
22:02:16 <elliott> UKIP aren't racist they just hate foreigners!!
22:02:31 <elliott> also, probably lots of minorities?
22:02:36 <Phantom_Hoover> i like how the scottish nationalist crowd are all, like, inclusive left-of-centre types
22:02:43 <Fiora> do normans count as foreigners?
22:02:57 <elliott> UKIP and BNP are sort of worryingly successful
22:03:00 <Fiora> go back to anglo-saxon rule. end the norman conquest.
22:03:08 <Bike> well at least you're not hungary
22:03:09 <Fiora> wait. anglos and saxons were foreigners too
22:03:22 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: yeah it makes me think scotland would be way better off independent, politically
22:03:29 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, thing is, the scottish nationalists just hate the English. The English nationalists have to hate everyone.
22:03:38 <kmc> 'Whenever I see people say "lib/lab/con parties are the same, I'm voting UKIP" I read it as "coke and pepsi are the same, I'm drinking piss"'
22:03:48 <elliott> Fiora: you could say the same thing about americans whining about all the durn immigrants
22:03:57 <Bike> we could and do
22:03:59 <Fiora> elliott: I totally do, and it's wonderful
22:04:12 <Fiora> "stupid immigrants", says the white people who are immigrants
22:04:12 <Bike> i've seen political cartoons making that joke from the 19th century
22:04:17 <Phantom_Hoover> i mean it's sufficiently devolved that cameron's ongoing demolition of the welfare state hasn't really directly had much effect
22:04:52 <Bike> (it was actually mildly clever, had a bunch of rich people yelling at an immigrant, and the rich people's shadows were immigrant-shaped)
22:05:25 <Phantom_Hoover> (did it have little labels? those little labels are the best)
22:05:27 <Bike> yes scruffy with bags and shit use your imagination
22:05:30 <elliott> shaped like the word "immigrant"
22:05:32 <Bike> no it's pre-labels
22:05:37 <elliott> deep politicale metaphores
22:05:48 <Phantom_Hoover> ("are you getting all these clever analogies i'm making like really these are so fucking insightful")
22:06:01 <elliott> political cartoons are kind of sad
22:06:15 <Bike> "has been described by scholars, different press outlets and its political opponents as fascist,[9] neo-fascist,[10] Neo-Nazi,[11] racist,[12] anti-Semitic,[13] anti-Roma[14] and homophobic.[15]" why did i look them up again
22:06:19 <elliott> do you think they put all the labels on immediately or draw something that could actually be subtle and clever and are like "no I need to be clearer"
22:06:56 <elliott> <Taneb> In my council constituency (Hexham East) there's a tory, a labour, a lib dem, and a UKIP ice cream man
22:07:01 <elliott> Taneb: wait which ice cream man is UKIP
22:07:04 <elliott> so I can avoid them on principle
22:07:10 <Taneb> elliott, the one by the sele playground
22:07:12 <elliott> (do ice cream men even have names???)
22:07:17 <Taneb> He has a UKIP flag on his van
22:07:19 <elliott> Taneb: oh fuck I think I've gotten ice cream from there before
22:07:28 <elliott> okay I don't think it had a UKIP flag at the time
22:07:38 <Bike> elliott: http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=277
22:09:55 <Bike> man i don't even get european politics. you have political parties that identify themselves with religious sects
22:10:07 <Bike> here in america our parties just identify with nothing, it's so easy
22:10:12 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democratic_People%27s_Party_(Hungary) catholic
22:10:25 <Taneb> Yeah, but Hungary is actually fascist now
22:11:01 <elliott> american politics are like... so big
22:11:10 <Bike> yeah jobbik is all about putting romani and jews in camps
22:11:14 <elliott> how are you ever going to fix something that big
22:11:20 <elliott> imo it's like trying to stop a continent moving
22:11:55 <Fiora> a continent full of racist dudes
22:12:09 <Bike> hey! it's not all racist dudes. we also have tanks
22:12:49 <elliott> i'm reading the bnp website help
22:12:55 <elliott> “Just Married” – Or is it just a ploy?
22:12:55 <elliott> Homosexual “marriage” is part of the Sexual Bolshevik social agenda, operating within a destabilisation template to degenerate society; it is particularly aimed at majority ethnic European countries to lower their birth-rate.
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22:13:20 <Bike> fuck can i be a sexual bolshevik
22:13:22 <elliott> oh fuck they're onto the gay agenda. it's over, everyone
22:13:35 <elliott> abort abort abort (<-- subliminal anti-life propaganda)
22:13:55 <Bike> "majority ethnic" god
22:14:00 <elliott> the TRUE gay agenda: they want to legalise gay marriage
22:14:08 <Taneb> It literally means "things needing to be done". How is that not charged.
22:14:08 <Bike> as opposed to people who aren't ethnic
22:14:09 <elliott> the most frightening gay agenda yet
22:14:36 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: it's great because you can use it to discredit literally any group who wants anything
22:14:43 <elliott> for instance the BNP have a nationalist agenda
22:14:57 <elliott> (but I repeat myself etc. etc.)
22:15:01 <Taneb> I have a maths homework agenda
22:15:12 <Bike> that sounds really boring, agenda-wise
22:15:28 <Bike> have you considered like, burning a cross instead
22:16:08 <elliott> the burning crosses for no particular reason we're just bored agenda
22:16:41 <Bike> i actually have a burning permit, very agendatastic
22:17:02 <elliott> agenda stopped looking like a word :(
22:17:15 <elliott> "Thank you for accepting cookies" wow FUCK you BNP, I never accepted cookies from you
22:17:26 <Fiora> agender agenda, the genderquee agenda
22:17:40 <elliott> The concept of “marriage” between homosexuals began to be promoted in the late 20th century, by Cultural Marxist groups such as Freedom to Marry.
22:17:43 <elliott> Now, even knowing that there are radicals in all movements, this doesn’t lessen the startling admission recently by lesbian journalist Masha Gessen;
22:17:45 <Bike> don't you see?? the agender people have an agenda it's right there in their name
22:17:46 <elliott> On a recent radio show she actually stated that homosexual activists are lying about their radical political agenda.
22:17:49 <elliott> dammit mesha gessen, letting the secrets out
22:17:51 <pikhq_> The genderqueer agenda must be utterly amazing.
22:17:53 <Bike> "cultural marxist" is the dumbest shit
22:18:07 <Bike> and like come on you know where homosexuality was banned? soviet union under stalin
22:18:35 <elliott> Bike: they were too gay. they had to control themselves somehow
22:18:42 <pikhq_> Bike: Well you see, "Marxist" means "we hate it", and adjectives are evil.
22:18:47 <elliott> or the sexual bolshevism would get out of control and destabilise everything
22:18:56 <Bike> adjectives, the great killer
22:19:07 <Fiora> so am I like not allowed to marry is that like. asexual marraige
22:19:13 <Fiora> which is part of the gay agenda or something
22:19:24 <Bike> Fiora: well given the usual "marriage is about babies" argument...
22:19:38 <Phantom_Hoover> your confusion over your agenda is just part of your anti-agenda agenda
22:19:41 <elliott> Less than 20% of same-sex couples already living together in California married when given the chance in 2008. In contrast, 91% of heterosexual couples in California who are living together are married.
22:19:54 <pikhq_> Fiora: I'm pretty sure heteroromantic asexuals are permitted to marry. But remember, marriage is for procreation.
22:19:59 <Fiora> Bike: there was actually some interesting bits about that in the article you didn't read because it was too long
22:20:00 <elliott> Clearly this is about cultural change and tearing down the traditional family ethic, since it seems that most homosexuals living together neither need nor desire to marry, though they do desire to radically change marriage.
22:20:18 <Bike> Fiora: oh yeah? (sorry about that but seriously it was like, twenty pages >_____>)
22:20:24 <Fiora> yeah, I know, sorry >_< I liked it though
22:20:26 <elliott> today i learned: not getting married is how you signal your desire to break down the institution of marriage
22:20:32 <Fiora> it was a pretty interesting reframing but makes a lot of sense
22:20:34 <elliott> definitely divorcing Taneb
22:20:51 <Bike> elliott: i think the idea is supposed to be "gays don't actually want to marry they just want to fuck up marriage" insofar as it has an idea
22:20:55 <Taneb> elliott, I'm keeping the car
22:20:57 <Bike> Fiora: psst i was asking for you to elaborate
22:20:57 <shachaf> elliott: you're not divorcing Taneb until we get some #esoteric grandchildren, hth
22:21:25 <Phantom_Hoover> you know i find it mildly annoying that you can't get heterosexual civil partnership
22:21:26 <elliott> "If Margaret Thatcher was still in Downing Street, there’d be no need for UKIP." Those 14 words will come back to haunt Nigel Farage.
22:21:29 <elliott> Fortunately, the ever-growing power of social media means that popular anger over such things can now spread, take root and grow whether the controlled media mention them or not.
22:21:32 <elliott> So we need YOU to do your bit by spreading the following pictures and core messages with Facebook and similar powerful social networking tools.
22:21:35 <elliott> Don’t just pass them on to existing friends, get active on the web and leave comments and push these ideas and images everywhere you can. Help turn working class anger at Farage viral!
22:21:39 <elliott> Don’t let on you’re pro-BNP, it’s better to come across just as an ordinary, non-political voter.
22:21:42 <pikhq_> Phantom_Hoover: My state has heterosexual civil unions. :P
22:21:42 <elliott> In fact, if you have time, you could take a little while first to create several new online personalities and then post from each of them agreeing with the other.
22:21:47 <Fiora> (basic summary: sex-positivism rests on the premise that "sex is nice", which is okay if you use the feminist definition of "sex", but in practice most of society calls a lot of things "sex" that aren't nice at all. and in practice, even though it shouldn't be, sex is largely about power and the expression thereof, which even poisons into non-heteronormative relationships.
22:21:48 <elliott> this is literally posted on the official bnp website
22:21:50 <elliott> those last two lines. amazing.
22:21:56 <Bike> elliott: ahaha they're supporting sockpuppeting? for real
22:22:03 <elliott> Bike: Don’t let on you’re pro-BNP, it’s better to come across just as an ordinary, non-political voter.
22:22:09 <Bike> Fiora: Yeah, that's the part I actually read.
22:22:19 <elliott> ten pictures of thatcher with farage's face
22:22:27 <Fiora> e.g. leading to the question of "which one of you is the man", e.g. "which one of you fucks, and who gets fucked?" and so any sort of feminism has to be aware of the danger of that fallacy, basically?)
22:22:33 <Bike> who the hell is nigel farage
22:23:02 <elliott> i have to say i am 100% in favour of the racist idiots arguing amongst themselves
22:23:03 <pikhq_> So many wrong ideas in there.
22:23:09 <Taneb> I had a dream last night that there was a canvasser for Respect at my door
22:23:17 <Bike> Fiora: yeah I know about all that stuff (unfortunately?), i guess it's pretty important to keep heteronormativity in mind for remotely feminist anything
22:23:18 <Fiora> (so basically "sex positivism isn't wrong, but it has to be careful of assuming sex is always nice which it is not.")
22:23:38 <Fiora> it was a good piece though, and had a nice section on asexuality too
22:23:49 <elliott> http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/national/we%E2%80%99re-not-voting-them-now-farage%C2%B4s-maggie-gaffe-hits-ukip-support-northern-england http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/national/faratcher-update
22:23:54 <elliott> this is the funniest thing
22:24:05 <Bike> before i click those links: do they have ads? i don't want to give them any money at all
22:24:07 <elliott> To get you started, here are three different photos of Faratcher, plus a different core message to go with each.
22:24:14 <elliott> Bike: uh not that i can see. use adblock dude
22:24:22 <Bike> ok i'm confused here do they not like thatcher
22:24:47 <elliott> well it's about the north and stuff
22:24:49 <Bike> was she Not Conservative Enough or what
22:24:57 <pikhq_> Fiora: By the way, which article is this? :P
22:25:09 <Phantom_Hoover> well i mean she waited for those damn argies to attack first
22:25:09 <Fiora> um, let me find the link
22:25:15 <Fiora> http://radtransfem.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/the-ethical-prude-imagining-an-authentic-sex-negative-feminism/
22:25:16 <elliott> thatcher was sort of not a very nice person if you are working-class
22:25:22 <Bike> yeah i know that
22:25:25 <elliott> so let's say you're also racist
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22:25:51 <Fiora> (it's basically a set of ideas/discussion responding to/complementing the kind of thing in "The Ethical Slut")
22:26:01 <elliott> like i don't think BNP are really fiscally conservative or whatever
22:26:23 <elliott> they're just right-wing because, well, you know
22:26:25 <Taneb> Bike, miner's union was edging for a fight, Thatcher said "bring it" and won. Many people are bitter.
22:26:26 <Bike> do they even care about fiscal stuff
22:26:37 <Taneb> Anyway, I'm off to bed now
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22:26:48 <Bike> Yeah, I actually just read a book on British capitalism, had a photo of miners being beaten up captioned "Thatcher rolling back the government"
22:26:57 <Bike> p. funny in a "human suffering" way
22:27:30 <elliott> they're literally nazis btw
22:27:31 <elliott> It has been claimed that the BNP has, since its foundation, been fascist. The party's predecessor, the NF, was overtly fascist, incorporating British nationalism, racism, and antisemitism into its core ideology. This ideology was taken up by the newly formed BNP, whose founder, John Tyndall, proclaimed: "Mein Kampf is my bible".[138] Piero Ignazi has said that the "proto-Nazi" mould of the NF, and the "generalised nostalgia for all sorts of fascist
22:27:38 <elliott> uh that probably got cut off
22:27:43 <Bike> "generalized nostalgia for all sorts of fascist
22:27:48 <elliott> fascist tendencies" and association with "foreign ideologies", which continued under the BNP, accounted for the lack of success for both parties in comparison to successful far-right parties in Europe, which disavowed traditional fascism.[139]
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22:28:05 <Bike> foreign ideologies
22:28:32 <Bike> need more of that authentic british douchebaggery
22:28:47 <Fiora> that's kind of amazing. it's like. "we're not nazis! because nazis /aren't british/"
22:28:58 <elliott> The BNP argues that: "To ensure that we do not become a minority in our own homeland, and that the native British peoples of our Islands retain their culture and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration."[16] Under the leadership of John Tyndall the party advocated total repatriation for all ethnic minorities.[155]
22:29:03 <elliott> When Nick Griffin became chairman in 1999, the BNP changed their total repatriation policy to only voluntary, a key policy which remains to date, offering financial "incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home."[16] The party maintains that ethnic minorities legally in Britain are entitled to stay as long as they always remain the minority population demographically:[156]
22:29:09 <elliott> you can't make this shit up
22:29:12 <Bike> maybe that's why "It Could Happen Here" used the BUF instead of the GNP
22:29:27 <Bike> elliott: god how do you even try to justify that non-racist-ly
22:29:36 <Bike> that's literally a racial quota? how do you even hide that.
22:30:10 <elliott> Bike: "The BNP is not a 'race supremacist' party. The BNP does not claim that any one race is superior to any other, simply that they are different. The party merely wishes to preserve those differences which make up the rich tapestry of human kind ... to protect and preserve the racial and cultural integrity of the British people – and of others too – the party believes in separation ... To sum up, the BNP is fighting for the very right to exis
22:30:25 <elliott> t of not just the British but of all peoples."[167]
22:30:26 <Bike> hm, did britain ever actually have anything like that? the US sure did, is why I'm curious
22:30:49 <Bike> i don't even know how to respond to that quote
22:30:53 <elliott> these people kind of get votes lately :(
22:31:06 <Bike> i mean, racial immigration quotas
22:31:10 <Bike> bla bla Chinese Exclusion Act
22:31:15 <pikhq_> elliott: I love that they're speaking an immigrant language. :P
22:31:27 <pikhq_> The quote-unquote native languages of the British isles are all Celtic.
22:32:17 <Bike> if the book of invasions taught me anything, it's that the isles don't have any natives because new people keep coming in and killing the old oens
22:32:27 <Phantom_Hoover> i'm not sure i really agree with the 'how can you criticise immigration, you're a descendent of immigrants yourself' line of thinking
22:32:31 <elliott> High-ranking politicians from each of the main parties have, at various times, called for their own supporters to vote for anyone but the BNP,[304][305]
22:32:40 <Bike> btw it's literally called the book of invasions. irish history what is going on
22:32:48 <pikhq_> Phantom_Hoover: I mostly just think it's delightfully ironic.
22:33:00 <Bike> yeah, it's more a sillly joke than a serious criticism
22:33:15 <Bike> the serious criticism more or less boils down to "you're serious? you're serious. christ" anyway
22:33:37 <elliott> The BNP was also caught up in a dispute with 1940s singer Vera Lynn after she objected to the party selling copies of her White Cliffs of Dover CD on its website to fund its European election campaign.[322]
22:33:50 <elliott> In September 2007, The Daily Telegraph newspaper reported that Hitwise, the online competitive intelligence service, said that the BNP website had more hits than any other website of a British political party.[323] In 2009, the party's website came under fire after it was revealed that much of the merchandise it sold was made in Honduras, contrary to the party's pledge of "British Jobs for British Workers".[324]
22:34:28 <elliott> Great White Records is a record label launched in January 2006 that is described by the BNP as "a patriotic label".
22:34:32 <elliott> did they really call it that
22:35:14 <elliott> ok this is just getting depressing
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22:35:31 <Bike> fiora say something about astrophysics, you're our only hope.
22:35:54 <Phantom_Hoover> so did you know enceladus is probably a better bet than europa for life in the solar system
22:35:57 <Bike> ok good effort.
22:36:01 <Bike> Which one is enceladus?
22:36:07 <kmc> i like cock too (why is this being discussed)
22:36:12 <Bike> saturn has too many damn moons, can't we blow them up
22:36:27 <elliott> i like how greg4 joined and left
22:36:32 <elliott> and in between it was literallt 100% bnp
22:36:37 <kmc> but not because of the cocks!
22:36:44 <elliott> i have a feeling `welcome would not have helped much there
22:37:07 <kmc> Bike: that's a waste of energy, you should slowly de-orbit one with a magnetic tether and use it to power a big laser for interstellar solar sail craft
22:37:13 <kmc> wel.... laser sail
22:37:21 <Fiora> yes let me find something that's not about groups of people who hate my existence okay
22:37:28 <Phantom_Hoover> (we know for sure it has subsurface water, unlike with europa)
22:37:36 <Fiora> Bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRB_110328A
22:38:11 <pikhq_> Fiora: Hate your existence? Lemme guess. One of: not heteronormative, not white, not Christian?
22:38:15 <Bike> that's a lot of gamma
22:39:40 * pikhq_ only checks off two of those. So sad. :P
22:39:56 <Fiora> I was thinking the second since they seem to focus more on people-less-white-than-them than anything else
22:40:15 <pikhq_> True, they're a bit bigger on the racism than anything else.
22:40:23 <Phantom_Hoover> i thought 'heteronormative' was meant to be one of those big societal things
22:40:29 <Fiora> Bike: http://arxiv.org/ftp/astro-ph/papers/0601/0601261.pdf this is a cool paper thing
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22:40:42 <pikhq_> Phantom_Hoover: Sush you.
22:40:42 <Fiora> it's like a summary of academic stuff on supernovae
22:40:49 <Phantom_Hoover> not a convenient property of individuals that makes them Part Of The Problem
22:41:16 <Fiora> no it's awesome astrophysics!!!
22:41:26 <elliott> b/c i love everything that scares Phantom_Hoover
22:41:31 <Fiora> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V838_Monocerotis this is also super cool
22:41:47 <Fiora> gosh this paper has like, pictures of simulations of core collapse supernova and stuff *_*
22:41:57 <Fiora> with like, neutron stars accreting 0.1 solar masses per second
22:42:54 <Phantom_Hoover> phil plait has a really good description of core collapse in death from the skies
22:43:22 <Bike> the human rights watch has a report by the same name. how confusing :/
22:44:00 <elliott> i know nothing about astrophysics am i bad
22:44:12 <Fiora> no! that just means you have so much wonderful stuff to learn
22:44:33 <elliott> Fiora: ok but one day I will die and learning things takes so long!!
22:44:38 <elliott> so I compensate by not learning anything
22:44:56 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: it goes around a phantom hoover in the sky
22:45:00 <shachaf> elliott: you're bad but i'm bad too??
22:45:10 <elliott> I had to explain that the earth both spins and goes around the sun to my mother
22:45:12 <pikhq_> Phantom_Hoover: The Earth goes round because the great philosopher ROVNIDCVS declared it to be so.
22:45:14 <Fiora> pikhq_: also "white" is really weird. like I am pretty sure I am lighter-skinned than the average bnp person yet am not white (yes I know like, how 'whiteness' as a thing actually works but it is still so weird)
22:45:14 <FireFly> Well there's always lenses and stuff
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22:45:22 <elliott> and then she didn't understand how the moon could also simultaneously go around the earth
22:45:30 <pikhq_> Fiora: Racial terminology is fundamentally broken anyways. :P
22:45:47 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: imo that's less embarrassing
22:45:55 <elliott> she didn't know the sun was a star
22:46:01 <Bike> the history of "white" is really pretty interesting
22:46:03 <Fiora> I'm not sure I actually know how tidal locking works ._.
22:46:14 <pikhq_> I mean really, it conflates skin color, heredity, and a giant fucking list of bullcrap.
22:46:17 <Fiora> Bike: isn't the history, like, various light-skinned groups getting progressively added to the lump that is 'white'
22:46:34 <Fiora> so like at one point irish people weren't white but now they are, or ashkenazic jews weren't white but now they are etc
22:46:37 <Bike> Fiora: Yes, but there are specifics.
22:46:39 <kmc> the Czech Ambassador has put out a statement pointing out that Czech Republic and Chechnya are different places
22:47:27 <shachaf> if they're different places then why do they have the same name
22:47:57 <Fiora> Bike: yes yes sorry I'm oversimplifying <.<
22:48:13 <Phantom_Hoover> also i tried explaining to my chemistry teacher once how the universe isn't expanding into anything
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22:48:29 <elliott> didn't she also reject evolution or something
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22:49:15 <Phantom_Hoover> this conversation was precipitated by her implying that if we dumped nuclear waste in space we might fill it all up
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22:49:37 <pikhq_> Is there enough mass for that?
22:49:54 <FireFly> `run echo -e '#!/bin/sh\necho no.' >bin/it; chmod a+x bin/it
22:50:08 <FireFly> `it is a worthless command'
22:50:26 <Phantom_Hoover> she also... didn't think you could have pressure in water?
22:50:42 <pikhq_> I guess she's never heard of the bends?
22:50:50 <Phantom_Hoover> she said if i proved her wrong she would give the class a lesson off
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22:51:19 <pikhq_> I'd be tempted to just demonstrate pneumatics.
22:51:20 <Bike> Phantom_Hoover: maybe it could get stuck in orbit
22:51:27 <shachaf> if you prove Dr. Gene Ray wrong you'll get $10,000.00
22:51:40 <elliott> Bike: btw what book on british capitalism did you read, i will look at it and then say "i should read this sometime" and then not read it ever
22:51:54 <elliott> but feel slightly more learn'ed (pronounce shakespeareanly)
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22:52:08 <shachaf> um it's spelled British capitalism
22:52:23 <shachaf> why do you think it's called capitalism
22:52:42 <Fiora> um. does anyone here have a nature subscription
22:53:11 <shachaf> i used to but it kept calling and it got annoying
22:55:05 <pikhq_> shachaf: èé look the same to me!
22:55:11 <pikhq_> (if I don't wear glasses)
22:55:41 <pikhq_> Of course, if I don't wear glasses I can barely tell that my screen has *letters* on it.
22:55:59 <Bike> elliott: "a very short introduction to capitalism" from oxford. it's like 150 pp., nice and easy for lazifolks like you
22:56:09 <elliott> Bike: well i have to like buy it and stuff
22:56:45 <Phantom_Hoover> i should probably visit my university's library some time you know
22:57:27 <Bike> psst it's not anti-capitalist... wel it cites marx some i suppose
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22:58:20 <Bike> shachaf: some of them look kind of bad, but oh well
22:58:28 <elliott> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Capitalism-Very-Short-Introduction-Introductions/dp/0192802186
22:58:48 <Fiora> pikhq_: people blind without glasses club ^5
22:59:09 <pikhq_> Not quite "blind", just utterly incapable of reading.
22:59:09 <shachaf> Bike: hey did you see that talk which also had capitalism in its name
22:59:18 <elliott> i really should need glasses it's so baffling
22:59:25 <pikhq_> My mom is pretty literally blind without glasses...
22:59:35 <elliott> like i have stared at a computer screen for long periods of time for many years and i still have good vision
22:59:35 <shachaf> http://fora.tv/2010/03/03/Richard_Wolff_Capitalism_Hits_the_Fan
22:59:41 <Bike> shachaf: be more sp- oh. don't think so
22:59:43 <shachaf> i kept thinking that website is called fiora.something
22:59:54 <pikhq_> elliott: Much of it's hereditary though.
22:59:59 <Phantom_Hoover> my vision is at the point where if i put glasses on it's like holy shit the world is in hd
23:00:02 <Bike> oh i think i tried watching it and then i stopped.
23:00:47 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: i tried to picture that but then i realised i have no idea what you look like
23:01:12 <shachaf> like a regular hoover, except more transparent and meaner
23:01:13 <elliott> what's most confusing is how this stopped a first-person mental image
23:01:15 <Phantom_Hoover> http://writeontrack.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/henry-hoover.jpg except more dour
23:02:46 <shachaf> Bike: have you considered getting a better attention span..............
23:02:57 <Bike> any number of jokes i could make
23:03:01 <shachaf> (tip, you won't get it from irc)
23:03:25 <Bike> http://25.media.tumblr.com/d6411fe8bf9a8da806d29cc5e7fcd0db/tumblr_mliw8vBvXy1qckp4qo1_500.jpg
23:03:37 <Bike> because elliott is bad at it.
23:04:01 <Fiora> mine is um. I think I'm about 20/400
23:04:15 <shachaf> why do people say 20/400 instead of 1/20
23:04:22 <Fiora> I think my prescription is about -5.75 or something
23:04:27 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: i think because you said it was scary
23:04:44 <shachaf> i think it's because Phantom_Hoover is a meaniehead?
23:04:57 <elliott> 20/400 sounds like a lot of 20
23:05:44 <shachaf> no one deserves Phantom_Meanness
23:05:54 <pikhq_> I'm a mere like 20/50.
23:06:13 <Fiora> basically I am a walking stereotype or something
23:06:42 <elliott> the good thing about stereotypes is that, unlike monotypes, they have hearing in both ears
23:07:41 <elliott> i think i may have made that exact pun before
23:08:16 <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: paraplegics hth
23:11:59 <shachaf> elliott: you mean uk people?
23:12:08 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: the: not found
23:12:20 <HackEgo> The US is the country opposed to the THEM.
23:12:26 <HackEgo> Information on the THEM has been removed for national security reasons.
23:12:59 <elliott> Bike: how is the weather in luxembourg
23:13:04 <HackEgo> Monoids are the easy version of categories.
23:13:07 <HackEgo> Monoids are just categories with a single object.
23:13:10 <Bike> i'm not in luxembourg any more!
23:13:18 <elliott> you moved without telling us?
23:13:31 <Bike> it says /from/ luxembourg
23:13:46 <shachaf> how is the weather in california
23:14:02 <shachaf> Isn't it even hotter where you are?
23:14:16 <Fiora> oh wow it's actually 29 C today
23:14:20 <shachaf> Whereëver that is. I don't actually know.
23:14:31 <Fiora> that's. wow it rose a lot
23:14:32 <shachaf> It'll be over 30° here next week. :-(
23:14:36 <Fiora> it was like cold this morning
23:14:43 <shachaf> Fiora has too much air conditioning to care.
23:14:48 <elliott> ok i guess LA is actually in CA
23:14:54 <Fiora> it'll be down to 24C for next week
23:14:59 <Fiora> I'm a bit south of LA yeah
23:15:06 <shachaf> elliott: louisiana is not actually in california hth
23:15:15 <elliott> i was mentally envisioning LA as being on the opposite side of america to CA
23:15:21 <elliott> and both of them being on the opposite side of america to NY
23:15:29 <elliott> i think my brain does not understand geometry
23:15:34 <Fiora> your right hand, your left hand, your other left hand...
23:15:48 <shachaf> which side of america is boston in
23:16:11 <shachaf> are there any other parts of america? i don't think so
23:16:58 <elliott> the downside of america is that it has too many sides
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23:18:07 <FireFly> the upside of america is Canada
23:18:12 <Fiora> bleh past fail -_-
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23:18:34 <Fiora> there, a chart of our dumb country place
23:18:48 <elliott> so the district of columbia is next to science fiction
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23:19:04 <elliott> and then you have los angeles, norway, and miami
23:19:04 <shachaf> FireFly: i always thought alaska was a plot hole
23:19:39 <Fiora> science fiction is on the opposite side of the country!
23:19:43 <Fiora> all the web startups are in science fiction
23:19:43 <shachaf> which ones are all of them
23:20:04 <shachaf> Fiora: hey, some of the web startups are way down here in silly valley!
23:20:52 <shachaf> elliott: MI is michigan hth
23:21:01 <elliott> okay wait isn't science fiction san francisco there
23:21:07 <elliott> and isn't san francisco in science fiction
23:21:14 <elliott> and isn't sillicon valley in science fiction
23:21:26 <Bike> kmc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?=crSPpJx7Js4&t=7m50s is it true this is what drugs are like
23:21:54 <shachaf> silly valley is south of science fiction
23:22:28 <shachaf> Bike: plz add v to that link
23:22:39 <shachaf> did you just type it by hand or what
23:22:51 <Bike> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crSPpJx7Js4
23:22:54 <Bike> isn't it an https
23:23:35 <pikhq_> Phantom_Hoover: Don't worry, it was just going to destroy your liver anyways.
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23:35:55 <Phantom_Hoover> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fortifikation_(Migr%C3%A4ne).jpg still one of my favourite images on wikipedia
23:47:18 <Fiora> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scintillating_scotoma.gif this one is a lot more accurate I think
23:48:55 <kmc> sounds like they got the guy
23:49:01 <kmc> he was hiding out in a boat, on dry land
23:49:56 <Fiora> when they found him, they looked at the boat and asked, "water you trying to do here?"
23:50:01 <Fiora> he responded, "long time, no sea"
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23:51:53 <elliott> i think we are going to die of pun overdose
23:51:59 <elliott> (is that a thing you can die of)
23:52:45 <Fiora> if it was I think it would be the best way to die
23:52:52 <Fiora> next to like, sushi overdose
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