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00:17:58 <zzo38> What bugs does that bugfixes has?
00:23:26 <ThatOtherPerson> The bugfix was supposed to remove a certain element from an array; but it instead removed all other elements from the array.
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00:37:10 <zzo38> No, solution is add a difficulty setting.
00:37:28 <mnoqy> no solution is to add a difficulty setting.
00:45:00 <ais523> when designing game levels for the first time, it's quite easy to make them too difficult and have to make easier ones
00:45:05 <ais523> fwiw, the first designed level of DNA Maze was level 10
00:45:18 <ais523> I realised it was too hard for a first level, so I added 9 before it
00:47:41 <zzo38> Yes, add more levels, is also one thing to do, if it is that kinds of games. There might be a level selector, though, too, depending on the game.
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01:01:29 <zzo38> Perhaps to allow to set the initial and maximum setting. Pokemon de Panepon almost does this: You can set the starting speed/ojama level 1 to 99, and there is also a "slow mode" which does not change. In addition, speed level 99 is not fast enough but if you push B,A,left,left when the copyright notice is displayed, then it will make the game much faster.
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01:03:36 <zzo38> In addition, there is also hidden option menu, which allows you to change the sound effect for chain/combo, turn on/off music and sound effect, and to change the number of digits of the score from 5 to 6. (I don't know why they made the score like this. If set to 5 (the default), the score maxes out at 99999. I have gotten many more points than that, though.)
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01:09:12 <zzo38> That game also has a hidden difficulty setting in VS.COM mode, which is a lot more difficult than the ordinary "hard" setting, but I still think it is too easy, so I have added a cheat code to speed it up to the maximum speed. I still have not completed that mode 100% when it is like this, although I completed some rounds.
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01:13:22 <Sgeo> I used Factor and Haskell at work today :)
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01:14:47 <Sgeo> Factor because I just wanted to see if a directory was changing, and I knew Factor had some good stuff for that (primarily used for its code reloading facilities), and Haskell because I wanted to profile something that seemed difficult to profile, so I decided to time how long it takes to output each line
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01:37:13 <Sgeo> http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/1dc5kc/the_algos_salsa10_and_salsa20_have_been_removed/
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01:38:39 <Bike> php is my hero
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02:01:35 <HackEgo> smlist: shachaf monqy elliott
02:07:04 <ThatOtherPerson> Well, I just submitted Taneb and my game for ludum dare: http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-26/?action=preview&uid=18411
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02:12:27 <ThatOtherPerson> @tell Taneb I'll give you the password to my LD account later if you want to rate some of the other LD submissions
02:12:46 <elliott> 03:07:49 <elliott> what did taneb do
02:12:48 <elliott> 03:08:00 <ThatOtherPerson> He went to bed.
02:13:19 <ThatOtherPerson> He came up with the idea, and then we worked on it together
02:16:53 <ThatOtherPerson> @tell Taneb oh, and also http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-26/?action=preview&uid=18411
02:26:29 <shachaf> `run echo monqy >> bin/smlist
02:26:39 <shachaf> `run echo mnoqy >> bin/smlist
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02:37:41 <kmc> <kmc> shachaf: do you know any good zero knowledge proofs
02:37:48 <kmc> <shachaf> kmc: i know a good one but i don't want to tell you what it is
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02:40:54 <Bike_> so as i was saying, -fuck- -you-
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02:46:02 <elliott> you don't even know the true meaning Bike!!
02:46:17 <Bike> there is no truth
02:52:44 <shachaf> Bike doesn't even have a good internet connection.............
02:53:00 <shachaf> i don't know if we can trust a bicycle without an internet connection
02:53:37 <Bike> If there is no truth you can't trust me hth.
02:54:10 <shachaf> Bike you never put a period after hth "its not allowed"
02:56:16 <shachaf> kmc: are there any zero knowledge "proofs" rather than "probability-based things....."
02:56:53 <Bike> geez, bet you don't like arthur merlin either
03:00:12 <kmc> shachaf: i don't know
03:18:31 <shachaf> kmc: prove that you don't know plz thx
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04:14:40 <HackEgo> 2013-04-24 12:18:45: <Saizan> shachaf: i've seen it mentioned here and there, and i was looking for somewhere else to lurk
04:15:50 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.7713
04:34:00 <shachaf> Oh, in C++11 you can say "using" instead of "typedef".
04:36:12 <elliott> hey Bike you're my sleep doctor, should i go to sleep
04:36:27 <shachaf> can i be your sleep doctor
04:36:44 <shachaf> i would give you such advice
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04:49:12 <Bike> fuck that noise
04:49:33 <shachaf> elliott: imo make me your sleep doctor
04:49:42 <Bike> anyway: go the fuck to sleep you fucking shithead what the hell
04:49:51 <elliott> pure caring and understanding
04:50:00 <shachaf> bicycles don't have feelings
04:50:03 <Bike> what the fucking hell you fucking rot
04:50:11 <kmc> itt all fucks are given
04:50:22 <elliott> anyway it's only 5:50 i mean come on
04:50:25 <elliott> also it's daylight savings time?
04:50:31 <kmc> british double somertime
04:50:54 <Bike> well fuck DST so who cares.
04:50:58 <kmc> "I see." "Yeah, well that makes fucking one of us."
04:51:46 <Bike> Not from you. I want you to be asleep.
04:51:54 <Bike> kmc could tell me a joke, though, if he wants to
04:52:10 <elliott> i bet you've never even watched me sleep
04:52:26 <shachaf> (that message was addressed to mnoqy btw not to elliott)
04:52:26 <Bike> I appreciate you, and your (hypothetically) having a healthy sleep schedule.
04:52:44 <shachaf> Bike: have you considered "just giving up now"
04:52:57 <elliott> okay well i am sorry if i ever implied that the having of a healthy sleep schedule was a thing that was on the table as possibly happening
04:53:43 <mnoqy> i don't think watching me sleep is a "normal thing to do"
04:53:48 <mnoqy> i sure don't do it, at least
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04:54:42 <shachaf> mnoqy: have you considered that you're the weirdo here
04:55:25 <mnoqy> do they take turns or have a party or what
04:55:36 <shachaf> it's a big watch mnoqy sleep party
04:56:17 <mnoqy> i mean if u start having any fun then you'll wake the mnoqy up??? and then it's over
04:56:41 <shachaf> um you talk about boring things
04:56:57 <shachaf> like type systems.. and peru
04:57:08 <mnoqy> why would i talk about peru
04:57:15 <mnoqy> type systems makes sense but......peru.................
04:57:27 <shachaf> i was hoping you could answer that
04:57:49 <shachaf> sometimes you talk in polish but usually in english
04:58:22 <shachaf> and sometimes you talk about your dreams
04:58:37 <mnoqy> why would i talk in polish i didn't even know i knew polish
04:58:50 <shachaf> it's one of the unknown knowns, mnoqy
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05:00:18 <Bike> fuck this earth
05:00:45 <shachaf> Bike: do you watch mnoqy sleep
05:00:57 <Bike> Why the fuck would I do that.
05:01:17 <pikhq> Beats fucking Earth.
05:01:46 <mnoqy> is that an expression in english an idiom a
05:02:11 <shachaf> mnoqy: what's your favourite polish book
05:02:28 <Bike> the idiom's actually "fuck this gay earth" but i'm bein' all PC and shit
05:03:32 <elliott> do they speak polish in peru
05:03:39 <elliott> that's the important q here
05:03:46 <shachaf> what kind of question is that
05:03:58 <shachaf> why would they speak polish in peru
05:04:06 <shachaf> they speak peruvian in peru hth
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05:04:42 <shachaf> they speak polish in polishania
05:05:02 <mnoqy> do you watch elliott sleep too maybe you could learn a thing about ~whatever elliott talks about in his sleep~ i don't have watching elliott sleep parties but maybe you do maybe you do
05:05:36 <elliott> i think having mnoqy watch me sleep would be reassuring
05:06:01 <Bike_> pikhq: uh have you been there
05:06:44 <mnoqy> 22:02:11 <shachaf> mnoqy: what's your favourite polish book
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05:06:50 <mnoqy> i don't have polish book knowledge
05:07:04 <shachaf> mnoqy: i would watch elliott sleep but i'm too busy watching you sleep all the time to do it
05:07:05 <mnoqy> the extent of my polish book knowledge: polish, book, probably exists??
05:07:12 <shachaf> tbh i'm watching you sleep right now
05:07:23 <mnoqy> that explains why im dreaming
05:07:31 <elliott> well it'd be easier if mnoqy watched me sleep
05:07:32 <shachaf> mnoqy: you gotta choose a favourite polish book
05:07:42 <shachaf> mnoqy: okay i'll give you "2 options" and you choose one okay?
05:07:42 <elliott> then there could be some simultani-watching going on
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05:08:00 <shachaf> mnoqy: option1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaytek_the_Wizard
05:08:05 <shachaf> mnoqy: option2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cyberiad
05:08:20 <mnoqy> both of these look pretty punk
05:09:00 <mnoqy> hm i think i'll pick the cyberiad is that a good choice
05:09:12 <shachaf> let's ask Bike when he gets back
05:09:50 <elliott> mnoqy: am I pretty punk? this is of approximately 7/10 importance to me
05:10:08 <shachaf> wow that's several importances
05:10:26 <mnoqy> are you a long horse and/or flying wizard
05:10:44 <shachaf> wait wait wait long horse?
05:10:53 <kmc> double punk is ska
05:11:00 <shachaf> kmc: did you read the cyberiad
05:11:26 <shachaf> @ask Bike mnoqy had to pick a favourite polish book: <mnoqy> hm i think i'll pick the cyberiad is that a good choice
05:12:08 <mnoqy> what if he comes back and his name is Bike_ or not even a bike at all???????what if he's not bike he's something else he's
05:14:25 <kmc> shachaf: no
05:14:27 <kmc> it is my shame :(
05:14:37 <kmc> when will bike come back :(
05:15:51 <kmc> one hopes not
05:16:11 <shachaf> "neve" is shorthand for "new year's eve"
05:16:15 <kmc> shachaf: o
05:16:35 <mnoqy> kmc WATCH OUT this question is RIGGED
05:17:24 <kmc> `run perl -e 'print "Should elliott sleep? imo " . ("yes","no")[rand 2] . "\n"'
05:17:25 <HackEgo> Should elliott sleep? imo no
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05:20:05 <shachaf> `run ruby -e 'puts "Should elliott sleep? imo #{%w(yes no)[rand 2]}"'
05:20:06 <HackEgo> bash: ruby: command not found
05:20:12 <shachaf> ............................................................
05:20:23 <lambdabot> Bike: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
05:20:27 <lambdabot> shachaf asked 9m 1s ago: mnoqy had to pick a favourite polish book: <mnoqy> hm i think i'll pick the cyberiad is that a good choice
05:20:49 <shachaf> Bike: his other option was this really obscure polish book you've never even heard of
05:20:50 <Bike> personally i would have picked glos pana, but whatever
05:20:57 <Bike> that's pretty obscure.
05:21:00 <shachaf> Bike: he only had two options!!!!!!
05:21:02 <Bike> Is it about 40% of the population dying?
05:21:18 <mnoqy> glos pana looks pretty punk too
05:21:26 <shachaf> i've never read any book by lem
05:21:29 <elliott> mnoqy: what's the punkest thing
05:21:44 <kmc> yay Bike is back
05:22:00 <mnoqy> elliott: long flying horse wizard kills 40% of population
05:22:03 <mnoqy> elliott: that is the punkest thing
05:22:20 <Bike> i had to restart two routers and also my computer four times
05:22:24 <Bike> i'm bad with technology.
05:22:28 <kmc> i have been to poland
05:22:45 <elliott> well i'm afraid kmc wins this round of harrowing experiences
05:22:49 <Bike> I had a dream where I was eaten by a Polish person
05:22:54 <kmc> elliott: lolol
05:22:58 <kmc> elliott: have u been to poland y/n
05:23:12 <shachaf> elliott hasn't even been off his island
05:23:40 <kmc> elliott: where did you go
05:24:07 <kmc> hm should we start using 'v' as a second persn pronoun
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05:24:10 <kmc> let's try this out shall we
05:24:14 <kmc> elliott: where did v go
05:24:19 <kmc> no good imo
05:24:26 <shachaf> i've been to....... the czech republic
05:24:32 <shachaf> that's the closest i've been to poland does that count
05:24:38 <kmc> i've never been not on a train in the czech republic
05:24:59 <Bike_> kmc: is this a t/v distinction joke? ver. high brow
05:25:02 <ion> > flip evalState the_value_from_newStdGen_i_wish_lambdabot_provided_for_the_pure_code $ (["yes", "no"] !!) <$> state (randomR (0,1))
05:26:24 <elliott> > the_value_from_newStdGen_i_wish_lambdabot_provided_for_the_pure_code
05:26:26 <lambdabot> `the_value_from_newStdGen_i_wish_lambdabot_provided_for_th...
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05:28:02 <elliott> Bike: get a fucking bouncer
05:28:49 <Bike> but that's work
05:29:55 <kmc> get a fucking mosh
05:29:56 <fizzie> A "fucking bouncer" is some kinda sex device, right?
05:30:10 <Bike> kmc's allll about the lulz
05:30:46 <elliott> here's my offer if you disconnect a bunch and it pisses me off i'll give you an account on solidity to irc from but because you're not paying me i can't promise i won't steal your password
05:30:47 <mnoqy> bouncer's that thing kiddos play in right
05:30:53 <elliott> anyone up for taking that offer
05:30:54 <kmc> i should buy more sex devices
05:30:55 <mnoqy> castles and such, lots of air
05:30:57 <elliott> ph i'm thinking of you too here
05:31:04 <elliott> mnoqy: do u mean `bouncy castle'
05:31:05 <Bike> the fuck is solidity
05:31:12 <elliott> Bike: the esolangs.org server
05:31:18 <HackEgo> 249) <treederwright> enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity
05:31:26 <Bike> i'll take that
05:31:34 <mnoqy> elliott: well maybe it's not a castle what if it's a normal house for people in it
05:31:38 <shachaf> hey can i steal Bike's password
05:31:40 <elliott> Bike: i have to write the keylogger first sorry
05:31:53 <Bike> i'll wait here
05:31:58 <mnoqy> elliott: or a chicken probably you could make that work i'm sure you have the clever and the knack i'm sure you could
05:31:59 <elliott> Bike: also i thought you wanted me to sleep
05:32:05 <shachaf> Bike: why don't you make yourself useful, write a keylogger for elliott
05:32:09 <elliott> mnoqy: well i'd prefer a castle
05:32:14 <Bike> well yes, but i'm sufficiently irritated at technology that you should do this
05:32:15 <shachaf> when he wakes up you can send it to him and then he'll give you your account
05:32:16 <mnoqy> what if it's a space ship
05:32:18 <Bike> i dunno you could do it tomorrow
05:32:23 <elliott> underhanded c contest idea: write a keylogger that also leaks the data to a server of your own
05:32:39 <elliott> fun because anyone reading the code will expect it to do malicious things
05:32:53 <kmc> crystal castles?
05:33:02 <mnoqy> crystal isnt very bouncy ime
05:33:24 <Bike> does Quechua count as the 'Peruvian' language?
05:33:25 <elliott> mnoqy: um green crystal is
05:33:31 <mnoqy> elliott: thats bad
05:34:56 <shachaf> mnoqy: hey btw are you coming to "bayhac 2013"
05:35:00 <elliott> unfortunately shachaf is wrong
05:35:05 <mnoqy> shachaf: whats that
05:35:10 <shachaf> bay area haskell hackathon
05:39:10 <elliott> Bike: something dangerous is happening
05:39:31 <shachaf> elliott: you will never be the most tired
05:39:45 <mnoqy> heLp nowim tired too
05:39:58 <mnoqy> i still have work to do!!
05:39:59 <shachaf> did you see the super mega update
05:40:21 <elliott> mnoqy: its ok you can watch me sleep
05:40:27 <mnoqy> i also really want to draw stuff maybe i'll do another self portrait i've been drawiing other stuff but not those lately
05:40:46 <elliott> how about a self portrait of fungot
05:40:47 <fungot> elliott: it seems like they'd still be feasible in non-copying gcs though. i got it
05:41:41 <shachaf> mnoqy: can i see the other stuff plez\\
05:42:14 <shachaf> mnoqy: when are you coming to san francisco btw
05:46:06 <mnoqy> whwhats the big deal with sanfransicsso anyway
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15:22:11 <Taneb> One of my friends got a lithops, also known as a living stone.
15:22:11 <lambdabot> Taneb: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
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15:48:17 <Koen_> Taneb: I wanna try your game
15:48:55 <Koen_> (nt now though but if I hadn't asked I would've forgot)
15:49:00 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson: the gh-page isn't working
15:49:53 <Taneb> http://t-and-t.github.io/LD26/index.html
15:51:48 <Taneb> Koen_: the whole game is kinda buggy
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16:05:54 <Taneb> I'm gonna watch Doctor Who now
16:05:57 <Taneb> Then maybe Vicious
16:06:30 <fizzie> Antimatter apples: they're purple.
16:06:35 <fizzie> (Source: http://img.yle.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat/article6614350.ece/ALTERNATES/w580/gravitaatio+antigravitaatio.jpg )
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16:52:07 <Taneb> Vicious didn't record
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17:01:28 <Gregor> <kmc> Florida Man Tells Cops He's Not Hurting Anyone As He Huffs Ultra Duster At Car Wash // Florida Man is the best superhero, no? :)
17:01:59 <Gregor> ‘He [this news report's Florida Man] also said to officers, “Don’t cut my penis off,” then changed his mind and said, “Cut my penis off,” according to the report.’
17:12:00 <Gregor> pikhq: https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan
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17:28:37 <Phantom_Hoover> i like how the first hit for spaceshiptwo on the google news search is CBBC
17:29:13 <elliott> not for me, maybe it just decided you like cbbc
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17:48:53 <Gregor> I wish there was a canonical, non-customized way to search Google, just so that one could figure out the pre-customization ranking of things they care about.
17:49:29 <pikhq> Google doesn't really want people optimizing to that though.
17:50:58 <kmc> is no-cookies not good enough?
17:51:32 <elliott> kmc: pretty sure your location and IP and the like have an effect too
17:52:34 <boily> language has very weird effects, even if you're always searching for stuff in English.
17:53:43 <elliott> i wonder if browser ever has an effect
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18:16:20 <boily> the Internet is magnanimous and hates all equally.
18:16:30 <boily> (it's just a little bit more apparent for some.)
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18:21:20 <boily> the Internet hates me too, in its own soul-crushing way. I have to swap between dhcpcd and dhclient each time I try to connect to a wireless router.
18:21:29 <boily> or, sometimes, the router gets stolen.
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18:24:42 <AnotherTest> oh nice, there is a stack exchange for mathematics
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18:25:06 <elliott> there is also mathoverflow.net
18:25:07 <Gregor> I'm installing Windows XP in a virtual machine. "Windows XP Professional also supports DVD-RAM drives."
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18:26:54 <AnotherTest> Gregor: has the indoctrination started yet? "the most secure operating system"
18:27:04 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: mathoverflow is an independent site that runs on an old version of the stack overflow software
18:27:14 <elliott> http://math.stackexchange.com/ is part of the actual stackexchange network thing
18:27:27 <AnotherTest> "with the most amazing and safe web browser: internet explorer 6"
18:27:56 <AnotherTest> "Sorry, your request could not be completed because it looked suspicious. If you meant to perform an action on Mathematics Stack Exchange, please return to the previous page and try again. "
18:29:19 <Taneb> How does one gain arm-muscles
18:29:29 <Taneb> This is an important question
18:29:54 <Gregor> Taneb: Picking fights with random people on the street.
18:30:14 <boily> throwing dumbbells on random people on the street.
18:30:30 <AnotherTest> Why do I have 101 reputation right after logging in?
18:30:39 <Taneb> Gregor: but if I do that and elliott decides to go outside the universe could end
18:31:02 <Gregor> Oh please, like elliott would go outside.
18:31:22 <Phantom__Hoover> Taneb's shitty connection is a conspiracy to get him outside
18:31:32 <Taneb> Also I tried picking a fight with someone in a maths classroom but we didn't know what to do next
18:31:52 <Taneb> It seems I am neither a lover nor a fighter, and for the same reason
18:33:23 <AnotherTest> So now I have 101 reputation on a website about mathematics whereas I don't know a lot about mathematics at all
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18:37:29 <Phantom__Hoover> what's the word for when you think you're living in a douglas adams novel
18:44:23 <Gregor> <AnotherTest> "with the most amazing and safe web browser: internet explorer 6" // It just told me that it includes "the latest and most secure version of Internet Explorer to date"
18:44:49 <Gregor> Which was certainly true, I suppose. But that's like saying "this is the safest way of shooting yourself in the foot"
18:52:26 <zzo38> Are you sure the most secure isn't Lynx or something like that? Or something with a VM for each file?
18:53:01 <Bike> does internet explorer open a VM for each file
18:53:30 <Taneb> zzo38: is Lynx a version of Internet Explorer
18:55:31 <kmc> they had to say "amazing" because the word "awesome" hadn't been invented yet
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18:57:14 <zzo38> I mean the most secure and safe web browser program
18:57:43 <zzo38> Bike: Maybe some versions does; I don't know. Version 6 isn't the newest version anyways.
18:57:58 <olsner> web browser programs are the things you program with HTML, right?
18:58:48 <zzo38> Well, Mozilla based browsers are most commonly programmed with XUL, although HTML can be used too
19:03:05 -!- Bike has set topic: a hypothetical anarcho-capitalist world of haskell programmers | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/.
19:03:47 <elliott> kmc: i think Bike is cyberbullying me
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19:04:19 <elliott> Bike: ur true motivations reveeled
19:04:40 <Bike> elliott: http://25.media.tumblr.com/b619a71641ffec918968cb3eb11e97f0/tumblr_mkuideonL71qzeo2zo1_400.jpg
19:05:00 -!- ThatOtherPerson has set topic: a hypothetical anarcho-capitalist world of bikes | Join the revolt against the regime and support trikes! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/.
19:05:04 <olsner> "DVD-RAM" should be a special kind of secure (e.g. write-only) memory required by DVD copy protection
19:06:03 <olsner> hmm, make that write-only *and* read-only to prevent you from either corrupting or extracting the data
19:07:02 <kmc> bike anarchists
19:07:29 <kmc> are commonly encountered in the wild
19:08:12 * Bike shouts about collectivization, attempts to throw a molotov at kmc, is stymied by only having one arm
19:08:59 <Gregor> <olsner> hmm, make that write-only *and* read-only to prevent you from either corrupting or extracting the data // Arguably... ARGUABLY... "write-only" means +w-rx, not just -rx, and "read-only" means +r, not +r-wx
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19:09:56 <elliott> Bike: my mental image of a bike with an arm is just so perfect
19:10:04 <elliott> imo it's better than birds with arms
19:10:15 * boily thinks of trogdor.
19:11:07 <Bike> it's a good and accurate image
19:12:09 <olsner> Gregor: mmyeah... think of the intersection between read-only and write-only or so
19:12:43 <olsner> (oh, and I doubt this has executable bits ... otoh, executable but unreadable and unwritable memory almost makes sense)
19:16:47 <olsner> or take read-only = unwritable and write-only = unreadable perhaps? except that unreadable includes all permissions except read, while write-only only includes write
19:18:48 * olsner defiantly waves *two* arms at Bike
19:18:49 * Bike sticks some rebar between ThatOtherPerson's tricycle's spokes
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19:22:50 <kmc> bikewise and
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19:27:21 <AnotherTest> Anyone please: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/377520/is-the-knuth-arrowup-notation-defined-for-non-natural-exponents?
19:28:06 <AnotherTest> but if someone here happens to know more about it
19:28:06 <Bike> up arrows are equivalent to hyper and a bit aren't they
19:28:23 <AnotherTest> Bike: as far as I know (but I don't know a lot) yes
19:28:25 <pikhq> Analogous to hyper.
19:28:46 <pikhq> The typical treatment of it isn't defined for non-naturals.
19:28:53 <Bike> i'm not sure you can seriously generalize hyper past naturals
19:29:04 <pikhq> I'm not entirely sure if one could.
19:29:07 <Bike> i mean look at the problems with even tetration on non-naturals
19:29:11 <pikhq> I just know it generally isn't. :)
19:29:22 <Bike> i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetration#Extension_to_real_heights
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19:31:34 <Bike> might be some interesting math in there though, like a generalized euler formula or w/e
19:32:03 <mroman> Does a morphism map between categories?
19:32:16 <Bike> between objects in a category
19:32:27 <mroman> But inside the same category?
19:32:39 <mroman> so f : A -> B means, that B is still in the same category?
19:32:54 <mroman> an object of that category
19:33:14 <mroman> whereas a functor assigns to an object in Category A an object in Category B?
19:33:54 <pikhq> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=graph+random+pokemon+curve I've heard of silly features but dang.
19:34:10 <mroman> Then what sense does it make to subscript id?
19:34:30 <elliott> mroman: a functor doesn't just do that
19:34:36 <Bike> because morphisms are between individual objects
19:34:53 <Bike> there can be a different (identity) morphism X -> X from Y -> Y, for X and Y in the same category
19:34:55 <elliott> a functor maps objects in C to objects in D and also morphisms (A ->C B) to morphisms (F(A) ->D F(B))
19:34:55 <mroman> So every object has an identity morphism?
19:35:11 <Bike> pikhq: that's fantastic.
19:35:21 <mroman> but id_B is the identity morphism of an Object called B?
19:35:33 <mroman> but still in the same category?
19:35:41 <Bike> is what in the same category
19:35:50 <pikhq> Bike: If you look up $POKEMON-like curve it'll even hand you the parametric equations.
19:36:04 <Bike> pikhq: i like that they're imperfect
19:36:38 <kmc> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=cannabis+curve
19:37:49 <Bike> AnotherTest: the problem with defining extensions like that is that you generally want them to "fit" what you've already got well, which is not always trivial (c.f. gamma function)
19:38:15 <Bike> (in which there are infinitely many possible extensions but luckily only one that fits some useful properties, so we use that one)
19:38:48 <mroman> The notation is really confusing :)
19:38:51 <Bike> sure, but you have to work on it
19:38:59 <Bike> and hyper operations are rather obscure
19:39:07 <Bike> and the situation already seems a tad hopeless for tetration
19:39:21 <AnotherTest> Bike: I'm afraid my mathematics skill are not good enough to work on this (which is also why I'm asking)
19:39:41 <Bike> well i don't know much about it either, i'm just saying not many mathematicians have bothered with hyper operations
19:40:15 <Bike> they're generally used for getting /really/ big numbers, like for knuth's combinatorics and graham's (which is also pretty combinatoric), so they might not bother investigating the properties too much
19:40:23 <Bike> then again knuth's written plenty on the related W function so i dunno.
19:41:03 <Bike> (related -> apparently tetration on infinities uses it, reasonably enough)
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19:46:51 <Bike> well fine, jerk
19:48:27 <Jafet> The up-yours notation
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20:00:41 <boily> «dix-huit wadelle-p-elle»?
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20:10:06 <boily> kmc: trying to understand elliott's sudden identity crisis through French phonotactics.
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20:26:36 <zzo38> In linear logic, is accepting X the dual of providing X?
20:30:41 <tromp> any robozzle experts here?
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20:34:13 <oerjan> <shachaf> oerjan: This looks like vandalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Creole&diff=552828350&oldid=551866575 <-- already reverted
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20:34:57 <elliott> why is shachaf reporting wikipedia vandalism to oerjan...
20:35:12 <oerjan> elliott: heck if i know
20:35:41 <oerjan> presumably he is not sure if pigeon is a proper linguistic term
20:37:19 <elliott> somehow I doubt he actually thought your expertise was required :P
20:38:28 <oerjan> well i _am_ able to tell him that pidgin is the appropriate term hth
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20:41:20 <fizzie> From ##elsewhere, php_iconv_string: http://sprunge.us/ZgZV?c
20:43:31 <Jafet> This is why PHP is one of the safest languages
20:46:27 <fizzie> Sadly, it doesn't write out of bounds; it just returns an PHP_ICONV_ERR_UNKNOWN if it doesn't fit. But still. "For safety."
20:46:52 <kmc> Unicode has one ligature character that decomposes into 23 characters
20:47:01 <kmc> although my attempts to get it to decompose with NFKD normalization failed
20:47:20 <kmc> U+FDFD 'ARABIC LIGATURE BISMILLAH AR-RAHMAN AR-RAHEEM'
20:47:22 <fizzie> Is it a ligature that says "Unicode rules"?
20:47:29 <kmc> if by "unicode" you mean "allah"
20:47:56 <kmc> ﷽ ⇒ بسم الله الرحمان الرحيم
20:48:33 <kmc> Mae enw Duw y trugarog, yr Tosturiol
20:50:29 <olsner> at least they used sizeof(int) instead of hardcoding the incorrect constant 4
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20:55:45 <kmc> you all saw http://use.perl.org/use.perl.org/_Aristotle/journal/33448.html right?
20:55:57 <kmc> they check sizeof(char) just in case
20:57:04 <Fiora> kmc: but what if my int is greater than INT_MAX
20:57:07 <Fiora> what iiiifffffffff
20:57:11 <Bike_> if (sizeof(char) > 1) die("there is no god")
20:57:30 <boily> I like my chars like I like my women. only one.
20:57:30 <pikhq> Hey, there's a perfectly valid use of sizeof(char). It lets you do a value of type size_t without size_t being defined. :P
20:58:07 <Fiora> that is an amazing page kmc
20:58:19 <Fiora> and geez. using floats
20:58:32 <Bike_> "they have a bigger range!"
20:58:38 <Fiora> I mean, at least arguably doubles would be big enough that they have enough precision for the calculation (but oh gosh why not just use uint64_t ... )
20:59:03 <olsner> maybe because uint64_t isn't C89
20:59:35 <pikhq> Yeah, well, fuck Visual C++.
20:59:37 <Fiora> ummmmm unsigned long long? I guess in theory that could be the same size as unsigned int
21:00:01 <Jafet> stack_node stack[32], *top = stack; /* 32 is enough for 32bit CPU */
21:00:04 <pikhq> Fiora: "long long" isn't C89. :)
21:00:33 <Fiora> really? @_@ oh geez
21:01:02 <kmc> unsigned long long long long long x; // should be long enough
21:01:15 <olsner> I have once seen a compiler that didn't have any 64-bit type
21:01:20 <kmc> foo.c:4:20: error: ‘long long long’ is too long for GCC
21:01:28 <olsner> something like gcc 2.8 for symbian
21:01:28 <pikhq> Basically the only reason C89 lives is that Microsoft is running IE6 on its compiler.
21:01:43 <Jafet> too_long_for_gcc.avi
21:01:53 <kmc> request entity too large
21:03:22 <Fiora> I remember reading a thing about how integrating __int128 into Cish features wouldn't work because it'd change uintmax_t
21:03:32 <Fiora> thus breaking backwards compatibility, I think
21:03:47 <fizzie> I still think a short long int should be just a regular int, and in general each long would double the size and each short halve it. (Not sure about fractional bits.)
21:04:32 <pikhq> Fiora: Specifically, it'd break ABI.
21:04:32 <fizzie> (And why isn't "short short i" "too short for GCC"?)
21:05:34 <Jafet> gcc_short_shorts.avi
21:06:07 <Fiora> fizzie: short short short short short short short short short int
21:06:18 <Fiora> maybe you can implement arithmetic coders that way. like. with 1/16th of a bit
21:07:13 <pikhq> Wouldn't quite work for arithmetic coding.
21:07:26 <Fiora> (sorry, that was a bad joke -_-)
21:08:05 <pikhq> Well. short^64 int code[SIZE_T_MAX]; would work. Ish. :P
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21:08:28 <Fiora> that's... that's so silly XD
21:08:30 <kmc> Fiora: i like the joke
21:08:41 <Bike> why doesn't C have a power-type operator? should be in C11, imo
21:09:07 <pikhq> Bike: Preprocessor. Duh.
21:09:16 <Fiora> oh gosh now I'm imagining tetrated operators
21:09:20 <pikhq> #define SHORT_64 SHORT_32 SHORT_32
21:10:03 <Bike> that's "not" "elegant", "pikhq"
21:10:16 <Fiora> long^^LONG_MAX universe;
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21:10:36 <elliott> fun fact if iou define a realli big arrai gcc has an internal error
21:10:41 <elliott> other fun fact i just broke mi i kei
21:10:54 <Fiora> while(1) quantum_compute_step( &universe );
21:11:24 <Bike> how many bits would that even be
21:11:48 <Fiora> um. I guess that would be 2^^(2^32)
21:11:56 <kmc> elliott: did you actually break your y key
21:11:57 <Fiora> or 2^2^2^2 [... 2^32 times]
21:12:07 <kmc> here are some spare y's you can copy paste yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
21:12:21 <Bike> Fiora: tetration~
21:12:23 <Fiora> or I guess. doubling the number of binary digits 2^32 times...?
21:12:32 <olsner> oh no.... how long will elliott have a broken keyboard this time
21:12:44 <elliott> i knew someone would sai that
21:12:55 <Fiora> so um, log(universe) ~= 2^(2^32)?
21:12:55 <kmc> what was broken last time and how long did it last
21:13:11 <Fiora> ... so um.... log(log(universe)) == 2^32
21:13:13 <kmc> then it got better (praise jesus)?
21:13:14 <elliott> one thousand and twenti four
21:13:16 <Fiora> that's a big universe
21:13:19 <Bike> Fiora: an approximation worthy of our greatest physicists
21:13:24 <elliott> kmc: no i broke the laptop completeli
21:13:28 <kmc> elliott: allways spelling out numbers is a p. good affectation
21:13:35 <Fiora> okay this is really silly an ddumb
21:13:52 <elliott> i had to use an on screen keiboard to tipe numeric literals
21:13:52 <Bike> dude are you gonna keep up the i's? rad
21:14:12 <elliott> it feels like an accent i can't get rid of
21:14:36 <olsner> did you write a header file with useful number macros and use spelled out numbers in all your code?
21:14:45 <elliott> no i am not cool enough for that
21:14:51 <kmc> int one = 1; int five = (one << (one << one)) | one;
21:14:57 <elliott> kmc: i did tings like that
21:15:02 <elliott> iirc mi 1 kei worked maibe?
21:15:20 <elliott> or maibe i just copied one 1 and then repeated it
21:15:26 <pikhq> elliott: Wanna bet GCC records array sizes with ints? :P
21:15:40 <elliott> wanna bet i'll go insane with no i kei soon
21:15:55 <olsner> then one one one one would be 4
21:15:59 <Fiora> kmc: is that like, the shortest way to write out 5 with nothing but 1s?
21:16:01 <Bike> unary is the future
21:16:30 <Bike> Fiora: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants is clearly relevant
21:16:51 <Fiora> that's... that's amazing
21:16:56 <kmc> http://blog.pnuts.tk/2013/04/plaidctf-pyjail-story-of-pythons-escape.html has some of that going on
21:17:04 <kmc> Fiora: i doubt it's shortest
21:17:29 <kmc> i was just following binary encoding, recursively
21:17:40 <Fiora> I can't think of how to do it with 3 1s >_<
21:17:52 <kmc> `run python -c 'print ~(~(~(~(({}<[])<<({}<[]))<<({}<[]))<<({}<[]))<<({}<[]))<<({}<[])'
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21:19:49 <Bike> it's a pretty nice «kolmogorov complexity ín the «'"real"'» "«'world»"'» thing i think
21:20:40 <Bike> rather nicer than "well, it sorta fits log, kinda"
21:20:56 <kmc> though the language you get in that ctf might not be turing complete
21:21:07 <kmc> but I think it is because they can eval() an arbitrary number of times? dunno
21:21:12 <kmc> didn't pay super close attention
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21:21:43 <elliott> kmc: do iou know anithing about keiboards
21:21:49 <kmc> some things
21:22:39 <olsner> "when possible, use a keyboard where the keys work"
21:22:44 <elliott> kmc: as well as mi i kei, shift-6 and shift-7 also don't do anithing
21:23:03 <kmc> but shift and 6 and 7 work by themselves?
21:23:09 <elliott> but not shift-h or shift-j
21:23:18 <elliott> onli broken unshifted kei is i
21:23:33 <elliott> this is to do with uhh like
21:23:37 <elliott> the thingies thei use right
21:23:44 <olsner> everything is broken with shift?
21:23:48 <Bike> have you like, cleaned it
21:24:00 <kmc> elliott: that's pretty weird, shouldn't happen with just a physical fault in the key matrix I guess
21:24:09 <kmc> did you try rebooting your keyboard (seriously)
21:24:46 <elliott> or just rebooting computer
21:24:55 <elliott> Bike: p sure it's not dirti
21:25:25 <boily> what happens if you stare at your keyboard really hard?
21:25:26 <elliott> shift-n doesn't work either
21:26:25 <elliott> i managed to tipe an i incidentalli
21:26:34 <elliott> but then pressing it again like did nothing for a short delai and then did like
21:26:42 <elliott> and now it's not working again
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21:28:00 <elliott> alos this started when i like
21:28:18 <elliott> and it decided it was overworked and gave up i guess?
21:30:18 <olsner> maybe you actually just broke the key (though the followup symptoms are a bit weird I guess)
21:30:30 <elliott> the phisical kei seems to press ok
21:30:37 <elliott> maibe slightli mushier than the other keis?
21:30:46 <olsner> well, the switch under it
21:31:34 <elliott> well i could take the kei off but i am scared because it is rather firml on
21:31:42 <elliott> kmc: (how do i reboot a keiboard)
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21:32:37 <kmc> yeah plucg and unpulg
21:33:01 <olsner> there's some reset sequence you can send the keyboard too, but I think something (what?) usually does that automatically after replugging
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21:33:40 <olsner> (might be different with new-fangled things like USB)
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21:35:11 <olsner> too bad the urls don't have any is in them
21:35:20 <kmc> i was thinking that, i would url encode them
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21:35:54 <olsner> maibe a bot could be set up to kick anione who slips up
21:36:55 <boily> not myne. my metasepya ys pure and wouldn't do no harm to anybody.
21:37:12 <elliott> boily: bo[ij]l[ij], please
21:37:32 <mnoqy> imo elliott should dang fix his kejboard
21:37:43 <boily> nope. I'm Canadian, therefore neutral. :D
21:37:53 <elliott> imo rebooting it is a pain
21:37:56 <elliott> because mi wires are a mess
21:38:05 <elliott> kmc: do iou think rebooting the laptop would do the equivalent reboot
21:38:46 <boily> trij. now that just sounds dutch.
21:38:47 <kmc> itt we are dutch
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21:39:01 <olsner> elliott: perhaps the dutch got into ijour keijboard in an effort to reform ijou to the digraph ij
21:39:41 <olsner> hmm, that looks like ÿ
21:40:21 <boily> ÿ is supposedly French. it's used in some 2 or 3 random small villages names out there, and that's it.
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21:45:34 <nooodl_> huh. i'm reading about diaereses now, and
21:46:08 <nooodl_> i never knüe (laugh track) (seriously though, that looks strange)
21:47:48 <boily> nooodl_: it's aiguë. French has ¨ on ë, ï and the rarer than a working N64 controller after a tournament of mario party, ÿ.
21:48:28 <nooodl_> "In the ongoing French spelling reform of 1990, this was moved to the u (aigüe, cigüe), though the earlier orthography continues to be widely used."
21:48:29 <mnoqy> maybe some sillyman wrote it on the wrong letter
21:49:05 <boily> the reform doesn't exist. it's a myth.
21:50:25 <boily> ah no. Québec simply doesn't exist. I'm not even in it right now!
21:50:37 <zzo38> Somewhere, I have read that the "par" operator in linear logic means that you can have both but you cannot use them together. I think I can understand how that works.
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21:58:41 <boily> back to my scheduled nocturnal non-existence.
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22:12:11 <shachaf> oerjan: Last time I linked to a page about the etymology of Nikolay or something, and you noticed it was vandalism and reverted it.
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22:12:28 <shachaf> Since I don't edit Wikipedia, and I noticed moer vandalism, I thought maybe you could do the same thing.
22:20:26 <nooodl_> pretty sure nobody types ij as ij anywhere
22:20:45 <Bike> i've heard rumors that they do in the darkness of the nether-lands
22:20:53 <kmc> the low countries
22:21:14 <olsner> you could map ijour ij key to ij
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22:22:23 <nooodl_> really why do unicode ligatures exist urgh
22:23:11 <kmc> often for reasons of round-trip compat.
22:23:24 <kmc> which is a dumb goal but without it we might not have unicode at all...........
22:23:46 <shachaf> how do you catch a unique code
22:23:47 <nooodl_> i can somehow see why, for example, fi exists, but
22:23:59 <nooodl_> does anyone but me even write ij as something that isn't just ij
22:24:09 <elliott> it isn't about what people do
22:24:12 <elliott> it's about what charsets do
22:24:20 <kmc> if you're designing a programming language it's nice to have a data type which means "sequence of Unicode codepoints" and deal with different byte-encodings only at the IO level
22:24:36 <kmc> Ruby lacks this property, the Ruby string type is a byte string + metadata about the encoding, and it's nasty
22:24:53 <nooodl_> elliott: well that was poorly worded from me, but,
22:25:05 <nooodl_> ij looks exactly like ij *everywhere*
22:25:21 <nooodl_> it's like having a separate unicode codepoint for.. "ou" or "th" or whatever in english
22:25:30 <olsner> what was the rationale for doing that in ruby?
22:26:10 <nooodl_> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Rijks_museum_logo.png
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22:27:08 <shachaf> kmc: Are you talking about Ruby 1.8 or 1.9?
22:27:15 <shachaf> (I gues 2.0 is out too by now.)
22:27:28 <kmc> shachaf: i'm... not sure. i don't know ruby, just hear people complaining about this
22:27:32 <shachaf> Anyway Unicode support is much better in modern Ruby than it used to be.
22:27:46 <rapido> anyone care to discuss SPREAD: a new retroactive programming language?
22:28:01 <Bike> like a spread of marmite i hope
22:28:22 <rapido> more like 'spread the word'
22:28:52 <shachaf> It's a lot like Python 3, except people actually use Ruby 1.9.
22:28:55 <Bike> social dynamics?
22:29:53 <shachaf> Or maybe I just misunderstood what you meant. I don't think ByteString + metadata is necessarily so bad, as long as "ábc".length == 3 etc.
22:30:13 <rapido> Bike: spread has computational traces that are first class objects and can be manipulated by other computations
22:30:21 <Bike> wow, i have no idea what that means
22:31:07 <rapido> Bike: a trace is a list of (intermediate) computational steps
22:31:10 <kmc> shachaf: if i took a job in Mountain View would it erase all my urbanist cred :(
22:31:20 <kmc> i would live in SF and commute by cal"the worst train"train
22:31:21 <Bike> like a bunch of continuations?
22:31:26 <Bike> or a vector of states i guess
22:31:41 <rapido> every value carries its trace that lead to itself
22:31:54 <shachaf> kmc: if it was at a huge company you could get a "huge company shuttle"
22:31:59 <rapido> you can query and destruct such trace at runtime
22:32:11 <rapido> and re-use bits of the trace in other computations
22:32:53 <kmc> shachaf: i think i'm opposed to those
22:33:04 <kmc> google should help SF build better transit instead of running a silly private bus system for rich people only
22:33:31 <rapido> you can roll back to certain 'key' points in a trace, 'modify' a certain parameter and go from there
22:33:51 <Bike> sounds like continuations
22:33:59 <kmc> i once wrote a debugger-interpreter that recorded the whole history of states, and would let you navigate back and explore different traces
22:34:05 <kmc> and write automated explorations of this trace
22:34:24 <Bike> was it useful?
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22:34:41 <kmc> it was a class project thing and for a toy language
22:34:43 <shachaf> kmc: that would be nice but i think "should" is going a little far
22:34:48 <kmc> so i never built it to the point where it was 'useful'
22:35:24 <shachaf> where is your mountain view job going to be
22:35:39 <kmc> matasano is in MV, i might apply there
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22:36:24 <elliott> does that mean iou're going to make me feel even worse about not knowing cripto
22:36:25 <kmc> do you have 'mountain view advice'
22:36:43 <kmc> otoh most of the cripto i know is from their cripto puzzles
22:36:49 <kmc> which u can do
22:36:57 <elliott> no i can't, it involves not being lazi
22:37:03 <kmc> tri amphetamines
22:37:18 <rapido> Bike: not really continuations. continuations only serialise the current state, not the whole history that led to that state
22:37:40 <rapido> ok, a list of continuations
22:37:46 <kmc> reversible continuations would be neat
22:37:48 <Bike> possibly i've been doing too much kernel
22:37:54 <Bike> where you have a tree of continuations
22:37:59 <kmc> like, iou can co back in time and also start running backwards
22:37:59 <shachaf> what kind of 'mountain view advice'
22:38:02 <rapido> kmc: that's exactly it
22:38:05 <kmc> shachaf: any tipe
22:38:14 <kmc> rapido: veri cool idea
22:38:42 <Bike> i think lipograms are more fun if one tries to avoid the letter while using actual words
22:38:57 <rapido> kmc: of course, making it efficient is the hard part!
22:39:11 <Bike> efficient esolangs, what you say
22:39:23 <kmc> usualli the hard part
22:39:43 <Bike> wait i fucked up
22:39:51 <shachaf> you've been to mountain view before right
22:39:52 <Bike> god it's been forever since i wrote in lipograms
22:40:06 <shachaf> oh yes you ate ramen at maru ichi
22:40:17 <kmc> were iou there
22:40:20 <kmc> don't think so
22:40:32 <rapido> anyway, i've pretty much finished the design of the spread language. see: http://oercode.blogspot.nl/2013/04/what-kind-of-programming-language-is.html
22:40:35 <kmc> it was me and cathy and mjrosenb and gwillen
22:40:50 <rapido> spread is also not turing-complete, but i'm not sure
22:41:08 <shachaf> no, but you asked me about ramen places in sf or something
22:41:13 <olsner> those crypto challenges looked interesting until I realized it would require some sort of action on my part
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22:44:23 <rapido> i'm still contemplating a powerful (prolog like) unification algorithm
22:45:37 <rapido> which also may unify over traces. This will allow you to go back in time and unify that past with the present ;)
22:45:40 <elliott> kmc: iou worked at ipwn?? (blame shachaf)
22:45:49 <lambdabot> cmccann says: some people blame themselves, some people blame the language, but the people who really know what they're doing blame shachaf.
22:46:03 <Fiora> shachaf: it's your fault :<
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22:46:23 <shachaf> What did I do this time, huh?
22:47:00 <Fiora> the bot told me to blame you!
22:47:03 <kmc> elliott: if bi 'worked at' iou mean 'saw them once in person, did some remote work, never got paid, and now the compani doesn't exist because their plan was ridiculous'
22:47:20 <elliott> kmc: i onli asked because <shachaf> haskell/10.08.04:00:53:22 <kmc> maybe you can convince iPwn Studios (my employer) that there's a big Maemo games market
22:47:32 <elliott> i hear ipwn actualli still exists somehow
22:47:40 <elliott> and thei're just like on hiatus or something??
22:47:55 <kmc> are thei secretli a front for the CIA to fund programming languages research
22:48:39 <elliott> imo what's with people not paing other people
22:49:30 <kmc> it's too bad that ipwn was held up as an example of haskell being 'useful' and now thei have failed in the most predictable / stereotipical wai
22:52:34 <kmc> it demonstrates mi usual pt about haskell i think
22:52:45 <kmc> but for most ppl it demonstrates 'haskell sux'
22:52:59 <Fiora> is kmc swapping y's for i's?
22:53:38 <Fiora> okai, I'll tri doing that too!
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22:54:06 <shachaf> can we avoid the antepenultimate letter too
22:54:11 <shachaf> that's a much better word imo
22:54:28 <Fiora> ... antepenultimate?
22:54:29 <kmc> iou can pri mi x from mi cold dead bodi
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22:55:07 <shachaf> imo ante- is a pretty good prefix
22:55:47 <shachaf> There was silence supreme! Not a shriek, not a scream, / Scarcely even a howl or a groan, / As the man they call’d “Ho!” told his story of woe / In an antediluvian tone.
22:56:30 <shachaf> That's what I get for copying it from some random irreputable Internet source.
22:56:38 <Bike> boring. boring
22:57:20 <shachaf> Bike: imo would you stop being so self-centered, talk about someone else for once, hth
22:58:17 <kmc> i probabli have to update mi linkedin now :( :(
22:58:30 <Bike> do people use linkedin
22:58:40 <shachaf> sometimes recruiters email me on linkedin
22:58:45 <shachaf> "i don't know how they find me"
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22:59:10 <elliott> kmc: i should update mi linkedin
22:59:45 <Bike> i thought linkedin was something people get spammed with and no people used
22:59:51 <shachaf> Hey, my → and End keys don't work.
23:00:09 <Bike> perhaps i should write an irssi plugin to help with lipograms.
23:01:13 <olsner> shachaf: you can just write those as "->" or three letters "End" instead
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23:01:55 <kmc> Bike: basicalli but people mai look me up and it should at least have up to date information
23:02:48 <shachaf> oh boy kmc "is gonna do it isn't he"
23:03:20 <shachaf> move to sf and/or something else
23:03:28 <elliott> kmc: please visit hexham, goddamn
23:03:36 <elliott> while iou're still free and jobless
23:04:19 <Phantom__Hoover> new up and coming centre of esolang research and development
23:04:23 <kmc> i did visit finland
23:04:26 <kmc> but i should go back
23:04:37 <shachaf> it's surely better than hexham
23:04:42 <shachaf> also elliott should visit america??
23:04:50 <kmc> i wasn't there veri long and i spent much of the time fighting with a friend over relationship drama :'(
23:04:59 <Bike> why would elliott visit america
23:05:02 <Bike> oh god dammit.
23:05:06 <kmc> it was sad
23:05:10 <Bike> i swear i'll get this right at some point.
23:05:24 <shachaf> Bike: want a keyboard layout to help
23:05:39 <olsner> it was finland, of course it was sad
23:06:04 <kmc> no finland was happi
23:06:10 <kmc> friend /me was sad
23:06:40 <kmc> shachaf: how will i ever get a job in sf if i cant juggle chainsaws or wristle alegators
23:06:58 <shachaf> wristle? Aren't you taking it a bit far now?
23:07:42 <shachaf> imo most jobs in sf don't require that
23:08:17 <shachaf> you just have to juggle cats and wrıstle bears
23:08:29 <kmc> i was once perusing copis of the caltech student newspaper from the nineties and found that mani were hard to read due to orthographic fads such as this i-dropping we find ourselves in the midst of
23:08:58 <kmc> the letter 't' was banned at one point due to feud with organizations called 'The Big T' and "the little t"
23:09:15 <shachaf> elliott: Is your shift key also broken?
23:10:02 <shachaf> don't they call him Flat Guy in .uk
23:10:57 <olsner> juggling cats seems harder than juggling chainsaws
23:11:13 <kmc> Phantom__Hoover: it's good although calling it a 'sitcom' might be misleading
23:11:42 <shachaf> kmc: When reading Core, pass -dsuppress-all to GHC to make the output much more readable.
23:11:49 <kmc> it's serialized and has a lot of dramatic / character-building elements that don't have any laughs
23:12:10 <kmc> and then thei'l get some amazing joke that onli works because iou know the characters
23:12:37 <kmc> it's not like say seinfeld where jerri dates a different girl everi week and there's some conflict that is established and resolved in 22 minutes
23:12:48 <shachaf> "any laughs" you might as well give up now hth
23:12:57 <kmc> im failure
23:13:02 <Bike> "seinfeld for smart people"
23:13:17 <lambdabot> ninegrid says: the "type providers" in conjunction with other language features, like units of measure and `these kinds of identifiers that can be specified as such` give it an edge in turning simi-
23:13:18 <lambdabot> structured remote data accessible from cloud services into strongly typed local data with intellisense
23:13:26 <HackEgo> 320) <ZOMGMODULES> I can trust elliott_ to have an opinion on anything and everything <elliott_> Yes. <elliott_> And the best thing is: it is the correct opinion.
23:13:37 <kmc> it is a bit like seinfeld in that the main characters have it pretti good and are alwais whining about small stuff and lack self awareness
23:13:42 <kmc> but in a more simpathetic wai
23:13:48 <kmc> also a lot more nuditi
23:14:01 <Bike> "seinfeld with more penises"
23:14:08 <Bike> call me, whoever markets this
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23:14:46 <shachaf> help what did you just change
23:14:46 <kmc> Bike: edit the shrinkage episode to include extra 5 min footage of jason alexanders flaccid penis
23:15:15 <kmc> HBO shows tend to have more T&A than dongs ime
23:15:24 <kmc> but dongs are not unheard-of
23:15:39 <Bike> sure but "tits" seemed a bit ridiculous
23:15:48 * Bike on the lookout for descenders, now
23:15:58 <kmc> the descender wars
23:15:59 <pikhq> I vote we just do the opposite of the "þ->y" swap.
23:16:18 <shachaf> imo pikhq gives good advice
23:16:27 <pikhq> Þou see, "þ" looks a lot like "y" if þou write it out.
23:16:58 <pikhq> Also, it lets þou write "mþth".
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23:17:42 <shachaf> did you know every tricycle is a bicycle
23:19:19 <shachaf> antediluvian may be the best word?
23:20:27 <olsner> cool, I guessed/remembered the meaning of antediluvian correctli
23:20:43 <olsner> andidiluvian sounds like a more useful idea though
23:21:44 <Bike> antependiluvian
23:22:04 <shachaf> Bike stop not making sense or we'll be forced to remove you from irc
23:24:52 <olsner> if you had to make sense to be on IRC this channel should be empty
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23:25:59 <shachaf> the one about making sense
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23:26:28 <Bike> so kicked, i am
23:26:33 <Fiora> this channel is confusing
23:26:45 <Fiora> but it's probably not your fault...
23:26:57 <shachaf> is that a singular you or plural you
23:27:05 <Bike> indeed it is certain to be mine
23:28:57 <shachaf> kmc: should i do a working thing or a university thing or something else
23:29:26 <kmc> you don't have any uni degree do you
23:29:33 <kmc> could you finish that in a year or two?
23:29:48 <kmc> i don't know
23:29:52 <kmc> you should figure out though
23:29:55 <shachaf> i haven't even started it if that's what you mean
23:29:59 <kmc> i thought you had
23:30:05 <shachaf> but edwardk did the whole thing in a year so maybe i could
23:30:14 <kmc> edwardk is an... abnormal person
23:30:20 <Bike> he did school in twelve months??
23:30:22 <kmc> i mean that in a good way :)
23:30:25 <Bike> is that even allowed
23:30:35 <elliott> he got more than one degree in twelve months i think
23:30:39 <shachaf> Bike: he had to go to some extreme measures
23:30:52 <shachaf> then he got his master's thing in half a year and then he got some other things
23:30:57 <Fiora> that reminds me of someone I remember hearing about who did a biochem/physics double major
23:31:00 <Fiora> and called it a "science major"
23:31:18 <Bike> so edwardk is fucking nuts, is what i'm hearing
23:31:35 <elliott> well he was also like old at the time
23:31:46 <elliott> bi old i mean he had alreadi worked in The Industri and stuff?
23:32:00 <Bike> elliott's idea of old
23:32:02 <elliott> but i mean not entering uni at 18 and then getting five billion degrees in a month
23:32:13 <Bike> right that's what i was thinking
23:32:25 <shachaf> wasn't he in his 30s or something
23:32:37 <elliott> i don't even know how old he is now!
23:33:02 <elliott> maibe we will find out when he dies from exhaustion
23:34:55 <shachaf> kmc: so given that i haven't even started what should i do
23:35:18 <Bike> go to college. get swole
23:35:54 <elliott> i would also like life advice from kmc
23:36:44 <kmc> shachaf: do iou have ani particular goals
23:37:11 <Fiora> kmc I've graduated and was blessed with the luck of a job oh god what do I do next
23:37:12 <shachaf> well that's one of the things i want to figure out
23:37:26 <shachaf> you're just the right sort of person for it
23:37:28 <pikhq> Goals are overrated. Everþthing is void of meaning! </nihilism>
23:37:33 <kmc> Fiora: continue having a job? i dunno
23:38:32 <olsner> hmm, going postal is a fairly recently coined phrase, isn't it?
23:38:39 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_postal
23:38:48 <kmc> i'm not veri ambitious, i know how to do some things that are fun and veri useful to the world, i would like to keep doing them and help people either directli or bi giving monei awai, but i don't have ani grand goals to change mi position in life as it's alreadi p. good
23:38:48 <Phantom__Hoover> (going postal is actually called that because a bunch of post office workers randomly shot up their workplaces in the 90s, this is apparently A True Fact)
23:39:12 <shachaf> it's also the name of a book by T.D.J. Pratchett
23:39:14 <Bike> it was a joke in MIB, man
23:40:05 <kmc> shachaf: if iou don't have a specific goal of getting iour degree then i would sai, see first if iou can get a job iou like without the degree, and if it seems difficult then consider school
23:41:06 <elliott> kmc: where is mi life advice
23:41:33 <kmc> there are mani social benefits of college too though
23:41:36 <Phantom__Hoover> although at present i suspect it all boils down to 'revise'
23:41:49 <kmc> i cant give life advice to everyone :(
23:41:52 <elliott> fuck iou Phantom__Hoover people who don't have their lives sorted out are talking!!!
23:41:59 <shachaf> elliott: i have an exclusive deal with kmc
23:42:12 <Bike> so glad i got a life plan set
23:42:16 <Bike> 'die in grad school'
23:42:26 <shachaf> should i go to grad school
23:42:34 <kmc> also lets be clear that ioure taking life advice from someone who got fired and is considering moving to sf for several reasons one of which is that it's easier to bui weed there
23:42:56 <elliott> that sounds pretti close to role model material for me tbh
23:43:01 <Bike> kmc, actual life guru
23:43:15 <kmc> certified life coach
23:43:28 <kmc> this would be funnier if iou've seen peep show
23:43:29 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: what are iou impliing!!
23:44:19 <Phantom__Hoover> also, worrying social experience of the day: being told that i am 'stabby creepy', in comparison to an associate who was 'rapey creepy'
23:44:26 <kmc> Phantom__Hoover: D:
23:44:38 <kmc> shachaf: what about Fucking, Belgium
23:44:47 <elliott> i think probabli the #1 reason i have never tried weed is that i have no friends
23:44:53 <elliott> is that what iou were impliing Phantom__Hoover!!
23:45:02 <kmc> elliott: iou can visit me in sf
23:45:14 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: what functors
23:45:26 <elliott> kmc: isn't sf kind of scari
23:45:27 <Phantom__Hoover> at the time my mother was sitting across the road in a car so it was not really an option
23:45:50 <elliott> things sf has: startups; probabli hipsters of some description???; kmc (SCARIEST OF ThEm ALL)
23:46:02 <kmc> elliott: everyone with socioeconomic status between 'homeless crackhead' and 'google software engineer' has been driven out of the city
23:46:08 <olsner> elliott: why is kmc scary?
23:46:20 <shachaf> imo my friend tried to get me to 'smoke a fat bowl' with her but i turned it down, what does that make me
23:46:41 <elliott> kmc: so does that mean it's just people below homeless crackhead or just people above google software engineer
23:46:47 <Bike> kmc: that sounds frightening
23:46:59 <elliott> sonuds like a healthi place
23:47:09 <elliott> whi does un alwais become nu
23:47:14 <elliott> what the fuck is happening to mi keiboard
23:47:39 <Bike> elliott comes to the slow realization that he's beginning to write in swedish
23:47:50 <elliott> Bike: no stop Phantom__Hoover will give up on me
23:48:01 <kmc> we could 'hang out'
23:48:37 <elliott> how mani wales big is california
23:48:53 <kmc> sf is in the part of california which is 60°F all the time instead of 75°F
23:48:56 <elliott> could terrorise both monqi and kmc on the same trip!!!
23:48:59 <kmc> it's a trap for tourists
23:49:34 <elliott> probabli monqi is in the latter part?? i hear it's too hot there
23:49:39 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: holi shit that's a lot of wales
23:49:40 <shachaf> guess what, it's 28° in palo alto right now
23:49:49 <Bike> haha does mnoqy live in the inland empire or something
23:49:59 <shachaf> on thursday it'll be 34° some of the time according to google :☹(
23:50:37 <elliott> Bike: uh idk what conuts as inland empire
23:50:45 <kmc> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/27499971.html i think 'sold his crackpipe to buy crack' should be a new folksi saing for short-sighted economic behavior
23:51:01 <Bike> elliott: the lynch film
23:52:36 <shachaf> hey i was at mulholland drive once
23:52:42 <olsner> I wonder if the phrase going postal caused more people to go postal in post offices
23:53:53 <Sgeo> 'You cannot compare a Mac and pc on paper...pcs only utilize 50-75% of their hardware...macs utilize every but of the machine which is why you have almost no corruption of software and almost rarely have to upgrade a Mac...point is you can get "lower" on paper specs on a Mac and get twice the performance and life span...I was a technician for the company so if you have more detailed questions let me know'
23:53:53 <shachaf> i didn't see any when i was there, but maybe
23:53:59 <shachaf> (i didn't see anyone. i was there at night)
23:54:14 <Bike> Phantom__Hoover: uhhuh
23:54:25 <Sgeo> 'Don't worry about hardware in that sense..the answer is yes to all...the only difference hardware will provide you is longevity...if you upgrade hardware it will last longer, that is it...everything will run to a great level of performance whatever spec requirements you see on a box just cut it in half for a Mac...you can cut your background processes to use less than 10% of you hardware...pc will always use more than 20% just because it's a
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23:57:55 <kmc> lolol, companies in the Stack Overflow jobs database are rated on the 12-point "Joel Test"
23:58:40 <kmc> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html cutting edge stuff like 'uses source control' and 'has a bug tracker'
23:59:11 <kmc> sadli it mai not be universal in the real world