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00:02:41 <olsner> speaking of number stations, http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt1659338/
00:03:05 <Bike> damn i was hoping for a film produced for intelligence purposes
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00:03:44 <olsner> the trailer implies that number station has a person reading numbers for three days off of a fancy computer screen
00:04:18 <olsner> rather than one of the rather more convenient-looking automatic contraptions you can get from spending 5 minutes on wikipedia
00:05:31 <pikhq> olsner: Some number stations are some guy reading numbers off a screen though.
00:15:22 <Sgeo> What's a number station?
00:15:58 <Bike> A radio station that broadcasts data probably for intelligence agencies, in the form of a voice reading out numbers.
00:16:38 <elliott> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_station
00:17:31 <Sgeo> If my computer weren't too crappy to click links, I'd click.
00:17:53 <Sgeo> As it is, I'm getting significant lag between typing letters and seeing the letters on my screen
00:18:02 <Sgeo> And my IRC client is on my local machine
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00:21:11 <mnoqy> omg i love number stations
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00:22:41 <kmc> in conclusion I give numbers stations 3.5 out of 5 stars
00:23:06 <kmc> i hear that numbers station film is p. bad
00:23:24 <elliott> star-based rating is for losers, imo
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00:24:14 <mnoqy> (out of five thumbs)
00:24:18 <Bike> 3.5 thumbs out of five *displays jar*
00:24:31 <elliott> mnoqy: this is reminding me of your thumbs comic do you remember it
00:24:54 <Bike> http://www.rpgnow.com/product_reviews_info.php?products_id=113067&reviews_id=89327 five out of five stars!
00:25:02 <elliott> in the far future we will decode copumpkin's numbers and they will say "eliot stinks"
00:25:13 <mnoqy> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13786158/misc-finished/diner.png
00:25:55 <pikhq> Bike: elliott's estranged brother.
00:26:03 <elliott> copumpkin: misusing whom is possibly the best thing
00:26:09 <copumpkin> it'd be funny if parents named all their children variations on that name
00:26:12 <elliott> I don't know whom on earth could have a problem with it
00:26:16 <kmc> EIGHT SIX SEVEN THREE NINE
00:26:18 <kmc> EIGHT SIX SEVEN THREE NINE
00:26:27 <kmc> ♫ merry go round tune ♫
00:26:28 <Bike> you forgot the 5 and 0
00:26:32 <copumpkin> in italian there's a saying about spitting out numbers
00:26:37 <elliott> copumpkin: peano's younger brother was called peanso
00:26:43 <elliott> then peansso, peanssso, ...
00:26:44 <kmc> elliott: groan
00:26:55 <kmc> Phantom___Hoover: are you telling me the ice cream vans are run by the CIA
00:26:57 <kmc> shiiiiiiiiiiit
00:27:00 <copumpkin> http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=106131
00:27:14 <elliott> Phantom___Hoover: i think the fact that the number station tunes are so reminiscent of that is what makes them so creepy
00:27:19 <kmc> Phantom___Hoover: yes
00:27:23 <kmc> in glasgow
00:27:58 <Bike> copumpkin: suck it math nerds
00:28:00 <elliott> Phantom___Hoover: and then it's glasgow?
00:28:35 <Phantom___Hoover> "The conflicts, in which vendors raided one another's vans and fired shotguns into one another's windscreens, were more violent than might typically be expected between ice-cream salesmen." oh wikipedia
00:29:10 <elliott> wow Bike, you're hurting copumpkin's feelings.
00:30:02 <Phantom___Hoover> elliott, i was thinking a while ago how weird it would be if you had a really classy numbers station
00:30:32 <Phantom___Hoover> the tune is played by an orchestra, the numbers are read with powerful emotion, that sort of thing
00:31:10 <elliott> numbers read out like a bingo announcer
00:31:18 <elliott> i'm laughing at my own concept
00:33:42 <pikhq> Get it official, advertise radio bingo.
00:34:13 <pikhq> For the old lady gamblers that can't get out of the home.
00:34:31 <pikhq> Of course, use the bingo numbers for your number station.
00:34:50 <Bike> old lady gamblers in the abhwehr
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00:49:27 <kmc> it was a huge mistake to join that web startup
00:49:36 <kmc> i feel like a total failure even though it was never something I really wanted to be doing in the first place
00:49:57 <kmc> i need to learn how to say 'no' to people
01:03:03 <Sgeo> Blargh, Factor's JSON library uses 91 write1 and 93 write1 rather than having the source actually, say, mention [ and ] as such
01:03:07 <Sgeo> So much for readability?
01:03:27 <Bike> f u, readability.
01:04:36 <Sgeo> Then again, it's Factor, is Factor meant to be readable? I guess it's usually more readable than J, unless you happen to not recognize a word
01:05:19 <Sgeo> Mentioned that in another channel, someone said that tooling makes that situation less painful
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01:14:02 <Sgeo> There's something... sublime about this line of code
01:14:17 <Sgeo> [ ] [ queue>> ] [ timeout ] tri mailbox-get-timeout
01:15:54 * kmc smokes two joints
01:16:25 <kmc> what's it do (also how (also why))
01:17:08 <Sgeo> Passes an object, the queue stored in an object, and .. the result of calling timeout on the object, to mailbox-get-timeout
01:17:11 <Bike> factor's site is down so i can't check docs. Cool
01:20:19 <Bike> in the afternoon.
01:20:30 <kmc> shachaf: ő_ő
01:20:50 <Bike> does that emoticon indicate two joints for each eye
01:21:47 <shachaf> but is the left eye disjoint from the right eye
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01:24:16 <Bike> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/606955481/the-gym-0
01:28:41 <Sgeo> I just paid for something I really don't care about: Reddit Gold
01:28:48 <Sgeo> Well, I've wanted to try it, but not particularly badly
01:30:14 <Bike> is that a bitcoin ghint
01:31:28 <Sgeo> I just want to see /r/lobby
01:32:23 <Sgeo> Subreddit for Reddit Gold people
01:32:39 <Bike> so you got reddit gold so that you could use a reddit for people with reddit gold
01:32:42 <Bike> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Heartland.png get high
01:32:49 <kmc> Bike: don't worry they're all there because of their own merits
01:33:02 <kmc> Bike: what
01:33:12 <Bike> The Heartland lay at the centre of the world island, stretching from the Volga to the Yangtze and from the Himalayas to the Arctic. Mackinder's Heartland was the area then ruled by the Russian Empire and after that by the Soviet Union, minus the Kamchatka Peninsula region.
01:33:25 <kmc> i repeat: what
01:35:36 <Bike> http://25.media.tumblr.com/d9d627e659cb57a8d56a49cc5e4acc87/tumblr_mm8r95MlVO1qb4dbmo1_1280.jpg anyway
01:37:54 <kmc> PLT_SeinfeldToday_ebooks
01:38:33 <Bike> surely his works on evolution would naturally counter the arguments of God?
01:39:34 <zzo38> Maybe it depend of what arguments.
01:40:21 <Sgeo> Should I assume that zizek_ebooks isn't a real person?
01:41:23 <kmc> should i assume that you aren't a real person
01:41:58 <Sgeo> I assume anyone matching the glob *_ebooks is not a real person
01:42:06 -!- Sgeo has changed nick to Sgeo_ebooks.
01:42:45 <elliott> zizek_ebooks is literally zizek's ebook, serialised in twitter form, imo
01:47:04 <shachaf> kmc: how was your junction
01:47:16 <shachaf> (a junction is made of two joints. get it??)
01:48:39 <Sgeo_ebooks> 'Now that I have reddit gold, where is this Golden Shower i've been hearing about....'
01:50:53 <nooodl_> what is the reddit gold subreddit like Sgeo_ebooks
01:50:58 <nooodl_> i've always wanted to know
01:51:11 <nooodl_> like what are the posts even about??
01:51:47 <Sgeo_ebooks> "If we exempted goldmembers from anti-spam measures, spammers would just sign up and unleash a torrent of spam. They might even demand their money back when we finally stopped them, and in our experience, they'll end up getting it despite our protests."
01:52:24 <elliott> something something capitalism something something downfall of humanity something something sgeo
01:52:42 <kmc> shachaf: it was lie :'(
01:52:51 <kmc> Sgeo_ebooks: ...
01:53:06 <shachaf> kmc: and why did you stop the lie
01:53:09 * kmc wonders if Sgeo knows what a golden shower is
01:54:07 <Sgeo_ebooks> 'Why yes, I did get gold for a recommendation in r/headphones.' (A link to http://cdn.head-fi.org/e/ea/1000x500px-LL-ead4edf4_gold.jpg )
01:54:17 <Sgeo_ebooks> kmc, yes, and I assume the person who posted that does too
01:54:35 <elliott> are you violating the terms of service by posting this stuff in a public channel!!!
01:54:52 <kmc> Sgeo is a Maker and the rest of us are Takers
01:55:16 <shachaf> wow Sgeo elliott maked a good point
01:55:58 <shachaf> are you the scum of the earth aka tos violator
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01:56:41 <madbr> any of you guys interested in cpu design?
01:56:47 <Sgeo_ebooks> I ... don't know what Reddit policy is about sharing stuff from private subreddits
01:56:52 <zzo38> madbr: I have some interest.
01:56:54 <Bike> How Zizekian are these CPUs?
01:56:56 <kmc> madbr: yeah, i don't know much though
01:57:04 <Sgeo_ebooks> There's a text post reminding people about mother's day since some may have ads disabled
01:57:07 <kmc> is Sgeo going to federal prison for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act?
01:57:54 <Bike> of or relating to zizek, a slovenian philosopher.
01:58:52 <shachaf> kmc: i was at maru ichi today!!
01:58:59 <madbr> kmc: I know enough to know that
01:59:05 <Sgeo_ebooks> Someone was banned from /r/lounge for being annoying
01:59:08 <madbr> memory loads are evil
01:59:13 <madbr> memory stores are evil
01:59:26 <Sgeo_ebooks> Posting political stuff, a lot got on the front page
01:59:37 <shachaf> madbr: without memory stores where would you buy memory..............
01:59:38 <madbr> ALU instructions are the best instructions
01:59:51 <Bike> so, madbr's computer is the Z3
02:01:14 <zzo38> On esolang wiki there is something called "Checkout", which does memory differently, and is meant for GPU programming
02:03:11 <madbr> usually that kind of GPU stuff isn't very good at instruction-to-instruction feedback
02:06:18 <madbr> instructions per cycle count has been limited at 4 for so long that it's not funny
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02:07:10 <madbr> (more than 4 on some RISCs but I dunno if those are actually any faster than x86, which does have this limit afaik)
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02:10:30 <madbr> and limits on numbers of ports mean that we're not likely to get much higher than that
02:13:58 <madbr> yeah, x86 is limited by... its registers
02:16:54 <madbr> like, not the registers themselves
02:17:08 <madbr> but the wires that go into and out of the registers to read and write values
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02:30:56 <madbr> woa, the p2 can handle 4 different cache misses at the same time
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02:31:06 <madbr> that's... both fascinating and horrifying
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02:33:45 <Bike> is that weird?
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02:40:19 <Sgeo> Cybertown once had a promotional thing for Pentium 3 owners
02:40:30 <Sgeo> I have no idea how they actually checked if you had a P3
02:40:47 <Sgeo> You got 'Homebuilder' homes that you could customize
02:41:21 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_III#Controversy_about_privacy_issues
02:41:39 <kmc> "The Pentium III was the first x86 CPU to include a unique, retrievable, identification number, called PSN (Processor Serial Number). A Pentium III's PSN can be read by software through the CPUID instruction"
02:41:52 <Bike> but can you do it through javascript
02:41:57 <kmc> i sort of wonder if we would have the same outcry 10 years later
02:42:09 <Sgeo> http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/worldbuildersguild/message/4380?o=1&d=-1
02:42:10 <kmc> privacy is so 90's
02:43:14 <Sgeo> Well, Cybertown 3d users had to install a plugin, but the plugin wasn't controlled by Cybertown, and I don't think general Cybertown usage required 3d
02:43:22 <Sgeo> Although maybe for that particular thing?
02:43:24 <Bike> losing privacy to get me better book recs is just so convenient!
02:43:48 <Sgeo> I don't know, according to that post it was opened to everyone sometime before or shortly after I became a CT resident
02:44:07 <Sgeo> (And yes, there's an option not included: 'long after I became a CT resident')
02:44:20 * Fiora heard something about cpu something
02:44:24 <Bike> sgeo just how many of these online cyber doofus things have you been in
02:44:43 <Sgeo> That I've stayed in or just visited?
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02:47:34 <Sgeo> Cybertown, Worlds.com, Active Worlds, Adobe Atmosphere, there's one whose name I flat out cannot recall I can't find any hint of it anywhere I miss it, Metaplace, There.com, iCity, IMVU (probably the only one I really dislike), Virtual Planet, an older AW clone, a few other AW universes including one pirated one
02:47:41 <Sgeo> I think there's a lot I'm forgetting
02:47:51 <Sgeo> Does Metaplace count? It's not 3d
02:48:25 <Sgeo> Muse, although that one was dead by the time I got there
02:48:42 <Sgeo> I remember wanting OSMP to do real well
02:48:46 <Sgeo> I think that's dead now
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02:49:22 <Sgeo> Lumpio-, are you referring to my nostalgic tendencies, or have you been there?
02:49:47 <Sgeo> s/Virtual Planet/Virtual Paradise/. And add Virtual Planets to the list
02:50:31 <Sgeo> Oh, you're referring to how many are AW related I guess
02:50:42 <Sgeo> Virtual Paradise is also an AW clone
02:51:04 <Sgeo> Hmm. There was one called Flatland, I think I found AW because of it, and I found it because of the book
02:51:07 <Sgeo> Lumpio-, awesome
02:51:11 <Sgeo> You know it still exists, right?
02:51:25 <Sgeo> Were you ever a cit?
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02:52:07 <Lumpio-> Oh yeah, I checked it out a couple of years ago. Trolled everybody with my small fat midged avatar. Customizations yay
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02:52:27 <kmc> `run gccrun 'int name[12],i;for(i=0;i<3;i++){asm("cpuid":"=a"(name[4*i]),"=b"(name[4*i+1]),"=c"(name[4*i+2]),"=d"(name[4*i+3]):"a"(0x80000002+i));}puts((char*)name);'
02:52:36 <HackEgo> AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 6128
02:52:59 <Sgeo> Lumpio-, customizability of avs is rather new to AW
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02:53:18 <Lumpio-> It sure wasn't possible back in $ages_ago
02:54:34 <Sgeo> I joined shortly before it locked out tourists for a few months
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02:57:08 <Fiora> kmc: that's really cool
02:57:15 <Fiora> it's like, an IRC command that makes the bot print its CPUID
02:57:40 <kmc> yeah i just read about this feature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPUID#EAX.3D80000002h.2C80000003h.2C80000004h:_Processor_Brand_String
02:57:51 <Fiora> there's a ton of fun things in there, I think
02:58:06 <Fiora> I remember looking at the amd cpuid specification manual, it's like hundreds of pages long
02:58:18 <Bike> for... one instruction?
02:58:29 <kmc> probably some undocumented features in there :)
02:58:46 <Fiora> Bike: it's basically a generic "look up info about the cpu" instruction where the arguments are registers
02:58:56 <Fiora> I mean like, performance counters are probably hundreds of pages too
02:58:59 <Fiora> probably even worse <_>
02:59:14 <kmc> yeah I should learn how to use those sometime
02:59:34 <kmc> i mean I've run 'perf' but I want to learn how it works at the instruction set level
02:59:39 <Fiora> yeah I have no idea
02:59:45 <kmc> they're privileged instructions I think
02:59:51 <Fiora> I think it's kernel drivers using those cpu "model-specific register" things
02:59:54 <kmc> i could add performance counters to JOS
03:00:00 <Fiora> it's probably completely insane
03:00:25 <kmc> it's cool that Intel / AMD even have a systems programming manual
03:00:29 <kmc> instead of just telling Microsoft ;P
03:00:29 <Sgeo> Like restarting a machine?
03:00:44 <kmc> i think restarting is more of a platform thing than a CPU thing
03:00:53 <kmc> maybe either / both
03:00:56 <Sgeo> iirc something about triple-faulting
03:01:06 <kmc> yeah that is one way to reset the processor
03:01:11 <kmc> but it won't cleanly reset all of the other hardware
03:01:22 <kmc> which is why it was used as a quick way for the 286 to get back into real mode
03:02:03 <Fiora> `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(0x80000001));}int family=((a>>8)&0xf) + ((a>>20)&0xff);int model=((a>>4)&0xf) + ((a>>12)&0xf0);printf("f:%d m:%d",family,model);'
03:02:07 <HackEgo> /tmp/gccrun.5aE0wjoY/command.c:19: error: ‘a’ undeclared here (not in a function) \ /tmp/gccrun.5aE0wjoY/command.c:19: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before string constant \ /tmp/gccrun.5aE0wjoY/command.c:19: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before ‘family’ \ /tmp/gccrun.5aE0wjoY/command.c:19: err
03:02:44 <zzo38> I have written a CPUID program similar to that once, in assembly language though, using the DOS DEBUG program.
03:02:51 <Fiora> `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(0x80000001));int family=((a>>8)&0xf) + ((a>>20)&0xff);int model=((a>>4)&0xf) + ((a>>12)&0xf0);printf("f:%d m:%d",family,model);'
03:03:11 <Bike> Family Sixteen sounds like a cultist compound thing
03:05:17 <Sgeo> SYNTAX: SYNTAX: scan-new-word parse-definition define-syntax ;
03:10:46 <Fiora> `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(1));if(edx&0x00800000)puts("MMX ");if(edx&0x02000000)puts("SSE ");if(edx&0x04000000)puts("SSE2 ");if(ecx&0x00000001)puts("SSE3 ");if(ecx&0x00000200)puts("SSSE3 ");if(ecx&0x10000000)puts("AVX ");
03:10:47 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
03:11:22 <Bike> hypothesis: bash is impossible
03:11:22 <Fiora> `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(1));if(d&0x00800000) puts("MMX ");if(d&0x02000000) puts("SSE ");if(d&0x04000000) puts("SSE2 ");if(c&0x00000001) puts("SSE3 ");if(c&0x00000200) puts("SSSE3 ");if(c&0x10000000) puts("AVX ");
03:11:24 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
03:11:31 <Bike> you forgot the closing '
03:11:36 <Bike> `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(1));if(d&0x00800000) puts("MMX ");if(d&0x02000000) puts("SSE ");if(d&0x04000000) puts("SSE2 ");if(c&0x00000001) puts("SSE3 ");if(c&0x00000200) puts("SSSE3 ");if(c&0x10000000) puts("AVX ");'
03:12:22 <Bike> no avx for youuuuu
03:13:54 <shachaf> `gccrun int main[]={0xa20fc031,0xb8535251,0x00000004,0x8943db31,0x000cbae1,0x80cd0000,0xcd40c031,0x80};
03:14:14 <shachaf> help how do i do miuaf programs
03:14:28 <shachaf> `run gccrun 'const int main[]={0xa20fc031,0xb8535251,0x00000004,0x8943db31,0x000cbae1,0x80cd0000,0xcd40c031,0x80};'
03:15:15 <shachaf> `run echo 'const int main[]={0xa20fc031,0xb8535251,0x00000004,0x8943db31,0x000cbae1,0x80cd0000,0xcd40c031,0x80};' > blah.c; gcc -o blah blah.c; ./blah; rm -f blah blah.c
03:15:19 <HackEgo> bash: line 1: 292 Segmentation fault ./blah
03:15:37 <shachaf> is that even a 32 bit machine
03:15:42 <shachaf> `run echo 'const int main[]={0xa20fc031,0xb8535251,0x00000004,0x8943db31,0x000cbae1,0x80cd0000,0xcd40c031,0x80};' > blah.c; gcc -m32 -o blah blah.c; ./blah; rm -f blah blah.c
03:15:46 <HackEgo> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc \ /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc \ /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc \ collect2: ld returned 1 exit status \ bash: ./blah: No such file or directory
03:15:56 <shachaf> I thought HackEgo was 32-bit!
03:15:57 <Bike> Fiora: quick, cpuid magic to see how big pointers are!
03:16:12 <kmc> `gccrun printf("%u\n",sizeof(void*));
03:16:30 <shachaf> that has a bunch of extra bits
03:16:39 <kmc> `run grep 'address size' /proc/cpuinfo
03:16:49 <kmc> `cat /proc/cpuinfo
03:16:50 <HackEgo> processor: 0 \ vendor_id: User Mode Linux \ model name: UML \ mode: skas \ host: Linux codu.org 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 00:01:30 UTC 2011 x86_64 \ bogomips: 1810.43
03:16:58 <kmc> `paste /proc/cpuinfo
03:17:01 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip//proc/cpuinfo
03:17:07 <HackEgo> Linux umlbox 3.7.0-umlbox #1 Wed Feb 13 23:30:40 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux
03:17:09 <kmc> `paste < /proc/cpuinfo
03:17:11 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/%3C%20/proc/cpuinfo
03:17:17 <shachaf> You can't pushl %ecx on amd64?
03:17:23 <kmc> `run paste < /proc/cpuinfo
03:17:28 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27444
03:17:31 * kmc has been to this dance before
03:17:58 <Bike> kind of a shitty dance tbh
03:19:09 <Sgeo> Can I at least be happy at never having to touch a line of PHP at work?
03:19:21 <Bike> no, ,sgeo, you're not allowed to be happy.
03:21:43 <Fiora> Bike: I have no idea if that's in cpuid... I guess it might be
03:22:21 <Bike> maybe you should consult your ten thousand page manual.
03:23:42 <Fiora> `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(0x80000008));printf("physical address bits: %d",a&0xff);'
03:23:57 <Bike> ok i... thought that was a joke.
03:24:03 <Bike> you win this round, amd
03:24:18 <Bike> `run file $(which gccrun)
03:24:19 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/gccrun: POSIX shell script text executable
03:24:25 <HackEgo> cat: gccrun: No such file or directory
03:24:30 <Bike> `cat bin/gccrun
03:24:31 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ \ if [ "$#" = 0 ]; then \ echo "usage: $0 [-w wrapper] <C code...>" >&2 \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ if [ "$1" = -w ]; then \ wrapper="$2" \ shift 2 \ fi \ \ f=$(mktemp -d -t gccrun.XXXXXXXX) || exit 1 \ cat > "$f/command.c" << EOF \ #define _GNU_SOURCE \ #include <sys/types.h> \ #include <sys/stat.h> \ #include <sys/mman.h>
03:26:51 <Bike> oh, so it's 48 on _64 and 32 on _32
03:27:19 <shachaf> `gccrun const main[] = {0xa20fc031, 0xf4245c89, 0xf8245489, 0xfc244c89, 0x1c0c748, 0x31000000, 0x48c7ffff, 0xf424748d, 0xcc2c748, 0xf000000, 0xc0c74805, 0x3c, 0x050f};
03:27:41 <shachaf> `run echo 'const main[] = {0xa20fc031, 0xf4245c89, 0xf8245489, 0xfc244c89, 0x1c0c748, 0x31000000, 0x48c7ffff, 0xf424748d, 0xcc2c748, 0xf000000, 0xc0c74805, 0x3c, 0x050f};' > blah.c; gcc -o blah blah.c; ./blah; rm -f blah blah.c
03:28:46 <kmc> CyrixInstead
03:29:15 <Fiora> Bike: CPUID Fn8000_0008_EAX Long Mode Address Size Identifiers
03:29:33 <Fiora> This function returns information about the maximum physical and linear address width (in bits) supported by
03:29:36 <Fiora> the processor. The width reported is the maximum supported in any mode.
03:29:42 <Fiora> (yes I pulled up the manual okay XD)
03:29:52 <shachaf> was it the intel manual or the amd manual
03:31:25 <Bike> you know i'm a bit disappointed that i don't see the 'main is usually a function' warnings
03:33:21 <Fiora> Bike: does it do that with -Wall?
03:33:43 <Fiora> `run echo 'const main[] = {0xa20fc031, 0xf4245c89, 0xf8245489,0xfc244c89, 0x1c0c748, 0x31000000, 0x48c7ffff, 0xf424748d,0xcc2c748, 0xf000000, 0xc0c74805, 0x3c, 0x050f};' > blah.c;gcc -Wall -o blah blah.c; ./blah; rm -f blah blah.c
03:33:45 <HackEgo> blah.c:1: warning: type defaults to ‘int’ in declaration of ‘main’ \ blah.c:1: warning: ‘main’ is usually a function \ AuthenticAMD
03:34:12 <kmc> free advertising
03:34:20 <Bike> congratulations kmc you've made it into the gcc trunk!
03:34:22 <Bike> "the big time"
03:34:59 <Sgeo> When is main not a function in C?
03:35:28 <Sgeo> Um, I guess if you make main be a pointer to machine code, which I guess is what Fiora's doing
03:35:36 <Sgeo> Well, array, apparently there's a difference?
03:35:45 <kmc> yeah, many differences between arrays and pointers
03:35:57 <Fiora> that was shachaf's
03:36:04 <shachaf> http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/c/array-pointer.html
03:36:24 <kmc> https://blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/the_ksplice_pointer_challenge
03:37:05 <kmc> http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/chist.html has some historical insight
03:37:11 <kmc> and is generally a v. interesting read
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03:38:06 <shachaf> Why doesn't amd64 support push %ecx?
03:38:51 <Fiora> um, I think it should?
03:38:53 <kmc> was the encoding re-used for smoething else?
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03:39:25 <Fiora> oh... I guess it doesn't.
03:39:26 <kmc> oh, it's re-used for push %rcx
03:39:43 <Fiora> yeah, there's no "REX + PUSH" for 32-bit push on 64-bit
03:39:47 <Fiora> huh, I had no idea
03:39:56 <Fiora> I guess I had never had any reason to do it XD
03:40:37 <Sgeo> any other use - implicit pointer conversion
03:40:37 <Sgeo> Any other use of an array results in a pointer to the first array element (the array "decays" to a pointer).
03:40:45 <Sgeo> That.. makes it all make sense
03:40:54 <zzo38> Do you know some thing about Z-machine?
03:41:15 <shachaf> zzo38: I know a few things.
03:41:28 <shachaf> Hmm, no, I don't know anything useful about Z-machine anymore.
03:41:41 <Bike> what's the difference between "a pointer to the entire array" and "a pointer to the first element"
03:44:25 <shachaf> Bike: Did you see that mauke page?
03:44:26 <Bike> so if there's char[] a, &a is a char[]* and a in "any other context" as defined is a char*?
03:44:32 <Bike> i'm looking at the mauke page
03:45:05 <shachaf> "char[] a" is a syntax error.
03:45:15 <kmc> uh, I think a and &a are indistinguishable, i was comparing a to &a[0]
03:45:22 <kmc> i could have it all wrong tho :/
03:45:36 <Bike> it says &a is a pointer to the entire array, but the decaded array is a pointer to the first element.
03:46:40 <kmc> they're making a Jurassic Park 4??
03:48:45 <shachaf> Why is cpuid suddenly not working?
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03:52:38 <Bike> "Arrays by themselves are nearly useless in C" well alright.
03:53:50 <shachaf> "Bikes by themselves are nearly useless in IRC"
03:55:28 <Bike> Shouldn't it be the other way, since it's an eye?
03:56:15 <Bike> I'm ok with that.
03:56:28 <Bike> http://25.media.tumblr.com/ff67367a6dd1d74e55c8a0e1b1432b75/tumblr_mliya4L9ty1rsblalo1_500.png
03:58:02 <shachaf> kmc: What's going on with const main[] = {0x1c89a20f,0x24548924,0x244c8904,0xffc03108,0x48c789c0,0x0cbae689,0x0f000000,0x003cb805,0x050f0000}; ?
03:58:13 <kmc> some numbers enclosed in curly braces, separated by commas
03:58:16 <shachaf> (You're supposed to be the expert.)
03:58:22 <shachaf> Why isn't the cpuid working?
03:58:58 <kmc> you didn't set %eax before invoking cpuid
03:59:18 <shachaf> I deleted that thinking it was leftover from the syscall I was doing before.
04:07:19 <Sgeo> My boss implied that modern browser implies modern computer
04:07:41 <kmc> postmodern browser
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04:40:47 <kmc> feel slightly weird helping random people on IRC crack passwords
04:43:01 <Fiora> I am feeling like I'm doing someone's homework -_-
04:43:03 <Fiora> but I'm too nice not to
04:43:15 <shachaf> It's not nice to do people's homework.
04:43:16 <Bike> my irc experience right there
04:43:21 <shachaf> It makes the world a worse place.
04:43:34 <Bike> though i usually go for the approach of trying to get them to do their own homework
04:43:45 <Bike> which takes four times as long and ends with me extraordinarily frustrated, half the time
04:44:06 <shachaf> I approve of helping people figure things out.
04:44:14 <shachaf> Maybe next time they'll be able to figure them out without my help.
04:44:24 <Fiora> wooo the ming allied with me ryukyu and china will take over the world
04:44:50 <Bike> does the qing dynasty exist
04:44:56 <Bike> or like... the manchus i guess you'd call them
04:46:16 <shachaf> Fiora: did i drive you out of ##fiora permanently
04:46:40 <Fiora> Bike: the manchus exist too
04:48:39 <Bike> like there's qing /and/ manchus, or
04:49:51 <Bike> that seems confusing
04:50:05 <Bike> i thought the manchus pretty much just "became" the qing, hm
04:50:05 <NihilistDandy> Discussion of Chinese history can be found in #the2yeah
04:50:32 <Fiora> http://i.imgur.com/QAdVr5W.jpg
04:55:31 <Bike> Oh right that whole bannerman thing
05:01:41 <Bike> it was in dream of the red chamber and i was like "buhhhhh history is hard"
05:01:45 <Bike> kmc: have you seen: http://www.kingtrash.com/ants/index.html
05:13:36 <Sgeo> "Sgeo: Do you have any conditions I should know about? My brain contains categories, but not one that matches your last input."
05:13:52 <Sgeo> I managed to not entirely realize that that was a bot, and not a person trying to poke a bit of fun at me.
05:14:05 <shachaf> Even bots poke fun at you, Sgeo.
05:14:14 <Bike> eh, i thought that could be a pretentious human
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05:38:32 <kmc> i should have just fucking kept my mouth shut
05:38:37 <kmc> i would still have a job
05:38:54 <kmc> one that I didn't love but it was fine, and I could have kept doing it for 5 more months which would be financially advantageous
05:39:38 <kmc> instead I believed them when they said they wanted my honest opinion about how things were going
05:39:48 <kmc> and I guess that was a true statement because they used that information against me
05:40:22 <kmc> they got rid of me because I was unhappy and kept the guy with "passion" even though he was demonstrably worse at the job on every axis
05:44:58 <Jafet> Well, job training is easier than passion training
05:53:19 <Fiora> kmccccc you'll be okay
05:53:37 <Fiora> if they actually wanted you gone, they would have gotten rid of you either way, whether you said something or not
05:53:47 <kmc> i'm just bitter about wasting my time and energy
05:53:59 <kmc> I really did work hard and I tried to make it work despite being unhappy
05:54:01 <kmc> now i feel like a fool
05:55:55 <Fiora> geez. you're not a fool
05:56:19 <Fiora> you've got experience for the future, even if some of it is learning the hard way
05:57:14 <kmc> i should stop whining since that's how i got into this problem in the first place
06:04:11 <kmc> fuck paul graham and everyone else for making me think that Doing a Web Startup is the ultimate test of a Real Hacker
06:04:32 <kmc> if it's not clear already, 90% of my complaining about nerd culture is me projecting my own failings and insecurities
06:05:16 <Bike> whenever you feel bad about projecting just think: "at least i'm not freud"
06:05:45 <coppro> `addquote <Bike> whenever you feel bad about projecting just think: "at least i'm not freud"
06:05:49 <HackEgo> 1028) <Bike> whenever you feel bad about projecting just think: "at least i'm not freud"
06:05:56 <HackEgo> 1027) <shachaf> i would visit elliott but i'm vegetarian
06:06:02 <HackEgo> 1026) <elliott> sometimes i wake up and my name has grown more consonants
06:06:06 <HackEgo> 1025) <fungot> ThatOtherPerson: undefined variable ' annoy'. you can't infer a static semantic for the language
06:06:32 <coppro> `addquote <Phantom_Hoover> you'd almost think somalian domain-name management is a bit sloppy
06:06:35 <HackEgo> 1029) <Phantom_Hoover> you'd almost think somalian domain-name management is a bit sloppy
06:08:59 <Bike> logreader quotator
06:09:05 <Bike> ex-tra-ord-in-air
06:09:22 <coppro> <shachaf> did you know every tricycle is a bicycle
06:09:27 <kmc> fungot: are you vegetarian
06:09:27 <fungot> kmc: but, we are far outnumbered! marle too! ayla have fun! i heard you were to be executed, dear! it was magus who killed off the forest, but you are true heros. the world, tee, hee! it's not the only one thing we need to defeat you, lavos.
06:09:27 <coppro> tricycles aren't even tricycles
06:10:00 <Bike> wow, that was a surprisingly namedroppy fungotism
06:10:01 <fungot> Bike: i see. you know, i really care... a time portal? what in the...! ozzie's stumped!
06:10:10 <Bike> slash is too i imagine
06:12:01 <coppro> someone said something funny
06:12:06 <coppro> and I tried to addquote it and it didn't work
06:12:14 <coppro> except apparently the thing doesn't exist
06:12:19 <HackEgo> 748) <monqy> 200 and 20 are the same <monqy> different notations for the same thing
06:12:29 <HackEgo> 141) <oerjan> it's not obvious from quantum mechanics that you can destroy a universe arbitrarily.
06:12:29 <HackEgo> 419) <elliott> in the title of the page it says "Well-Typed - The Haskell Consultants" but i want to know who are the haskell conraisins?
06:12:43 <coppro> is it sad that I know the context to 141 immediately?
06:13:50 <Bike> i'm guessing it's about quantum bogosort?
06:14:03 <HackEgo> 68) [Warrigal] `addquote <Dylan> hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows <Lawlabee> 'cuz it's pretty awesome. [Lawlabee] Warrigal: :(
06:14:08 <HackEgo> 487) <fizzie> They're (according to current plans/rumours) going to release a grand total of approximately 1.1 MeeGo devices; the N9, plus the N950 "developers only" phone, which I'm counting as 0.1 because (even though it is a MeeGo device) it's not going to actually be released.
06:14:30 <HackEgo> *poof* [Warrigal] `addquote <Dylan> hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows <Lawlabee> 'cuz it's pretty awesome. [Lawlabee] Warrigal: :(
06:16:36 <HackEgo> 1000) <zzo38> It appears magenta in my computer only because it is programmed to display bold text as magenta.
06:16:51 <Bike> we have a problem, coppro.
06:17:56 <coppro> there aren't enough zzo38 quotes?
06:18:02 <HackEgo> 310) <cpressey> `quote django <HackEgo> 352) <olsner> django is named after a person? <olsner> thought it would be a giraffe or something <cpressey> thankfully only one \ 311) <monqy> `quote django <HackEgo> 352) <olsner> django is named after a person? <olsner> thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) <cpressey> `quote django
06:18:25 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.19326
06:18:50 <HackEgo> *poof* <cpressey> `quote django <HackEgo> 352) <olsner> django is named after a person? <olsner> thought it would be a giraffe or something <cpressey> thankfully only one
06:19:09 <HackEgo> 987) <kmc> i'm not actually competent at hacking things <elliott> ummmm kmc dont u mean `cracking' [tiny glider symbol with "hacker pride" written next to it in silkscreen] [head of a gnu] [tux penguin] <kmc> [face shoved in toilet]
06:19:27 <HackEgo> 310) <cpressey> `quote django <HackEgo> 352) <olsner> django is named after a person? <olsner> thought it would be a giraffe or something <cpressey> thankfully only one
06:19:52 <coppro> Bike: why is that a good thing?
06:20:15 <Bike> it's not it's apocalyptic
06:21:34 <coppro> is that supposed to be magenta?
06:24:59 <zzo38> Do you like it to be magenta?
06:27:40 <coppro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I83tKYquJUI
06:29:13 <Fiora> kmc: probably a good start is just not hanging around those people really
06:29:25 <Fiora> which I guess you already kind of do?
06:29:33 <Bike> well he still needs a job
06:29:42 <Fiora> I meant like personally but
06:29:49 <Fiora> I guess I am a weird person who doesn't really do personal interaction much at work
06:29:55 <kmc> i want to like them but i'm bitter
06:30:04 <kmc> they're generally good people
06:30:14 <kmc> i don't think they were really malicious, but we failed to communicate
06:31:01 <Fiora> I don't think you have to paint someone as malicious really
06:31:17 <Fiora> like. I don't think that all the people involved in the whole hackernewswebstartupsiliconvalley mess are bad people, that's really silly
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06:53:00 <shachaf> Why did I say "i would visit elliott but i'm vegetarian", again?
06:53:42 <lambdabot> http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug
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07:18:33 <shachaf> Bike: do you know all about bicategories.
07:19:23 <shachaf> i nitya to become an expert in them by next week
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07:38:31 <Fiora> I wish I could do something to help beyond just random attempts at encouraging words :/
07:41:58 <coppro> Fiora: I can provide you with something you can help with!
07:43:30 <Fiora> I-I meant to kmc, but...
07:45:29 <coppro> Fiora: help file bugs! https://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/nh4/
07:46:47 <kmc> aw thanks everyone
07:46:49 <kmc> i will be fine
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07:52:01 * Fiora is kind of shy...? but
07:52:14 <Fiora> I don't think I know enough about nethack to like. not die
07:52:31 <Fiora> I think I know Crawl better... and by better I mean. like. more than nothing
07:52:37 <shachaf> i used to play that before i realized it was awful
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07:53:11 <coppro> Fiora: we need to move http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Bugs_in_NetHack_4 into the tracker
07:53:34 <NihilistDandy> I don't think #esoteric will let me play Crawl again
07:53:52 <Fiora> is there something bad about crawl?
07:53:56 <coppro> see https://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/nh4/ticket/41 for a template
07:54:19 <mnoqy> there are lots of bad things about crawl but most of all NihilistDandy is bad at crawl
07:54:40 <Fiora> I'm kind of terrible too
07:54:54 <Fiora> like. after a month or two my best run was ~1 rune, I think
07:55:01 <shachaf> Fiora: At Crawl, you mean?
07:55:08 <Fiora> on my best run I was doing rather well but I fell into a teleport trap on elf 5 that literally sent me into the enemy hordes at the end of the level
07:55:35 <madb4rd> i crawl terrified through the firt levels like a girl
07:55:40 <NihilistDandy> Fiora: On my best run, all of #esoteric was yelling at me to not be an idiot and being amazed every time I didn't meet with a well-deserved death
07:56:00 <NihilistDandy> I think it was actually my first or second run, for that matter
07:56:09 <Fiora> I loved watching peoples' hilarious-death videos uploaded, though. though I don't think I ever got a good one...
07:56:28 <NihilistDandy> I think I was dancing around a staircase with a hydra or something
07:56:37 <Fiora> I think I usually crawl terrified through the later levels
07:56:43 <Fiora> well. like the first few are okay and then like
07:56:48 <Fiora> one of the horrible evil bosses shows up
07:57:04 <madb4rd> its like theres no multiplayer
07:57:10 <shachaf> The Wizard of Yendor is horrible.
07:57:13 <madb4rd> i could just stay behind your back
07:58:00 <Fiora> I'm I'm not sure having someone behind my back would be an improvement
07:58:18 <madb4rd> not for you. i would use you as a shield
07:58:58 <Fiora> gosh, even in game I play as like the squishiest wizard XD
07:59:04 <Fiora> I think I was a draconic sorceress
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07:59:46 <shachaf> coppro: Not when he steals your quest artifact which gives magic resistance.
08:00:47 <Fiora> I think I play as squishy wizards in nearly everything
08:00:57 <Fiora> it's like playing a self-insert except I can't actually shoot fireballs at things
08:01:51 <NihilistDandy> Fiora: Complete the illusion and learn to shoot fireballs
08:02:43 <Fiora> shachaf: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/ZephyrTheLight/Touhou/Spark_lesson.jpg like that?
08:02:56 <madb4rd> anyone who ever tried cooking meth knows
08:03:25 <madb4rd> how bout a new class? methcook
08:03:26 <Fiora> I don't know how to shoot fireballs. like where do I get a staff
08:04:13 <shachaf> A staff? How does that help?
08:04:21 <Fiora> http://24.media.tumblr.com/8a0b4b292c0cfdd295398e39845f83e3/tumblr_mlxk5lVLsg1raym3wo1_500.gif like that!
08:04:33 <madb4rd> it helps to stimulate the mana circulation
08:05:35 <Fiora> I don't have one :<
08:06:03 <madb4rd> you just haven't earned one yet
08:10:49 <Fiora> okay okay wands too
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08:13:38 <Fiora> u-um... anyways...
08:13:43 <Fiora> I'm not sure I'm very good with a bug tracker
08:14:21 <NihilistDandy> Practice by writing lots of buggy code and submitting it to open source projects who don't have time for your shit
08:14:35 <Fiora> I'm also kind of playing some europa universalis I guess
08:15:13 <Fiora> the last time I submitted an open source bug report+patch they told me the code was terrible and needs to be rewritten so patch rejected or something like that
08:15:20 <Fiora> (um, not my code, the code I was trying to patch)
08:15:35 <Fiora> so I just used it myself ...
08:15:55 <Fiora> I mean they were kind of right but my patch fixed it <.<
08:16:07 <Fiora> (it was a terrible hack but... jdlskldf)
08:17:22 <Fiora> EU3, I haven't played any of the earlier ones
08:17:52 <Fiora> http://i.imgur.com/bGLcLmU.jpg I'm ryukyu :3
08:20:24 <madb4rd> do i need all that extensions?
08:21:05 <Fiora> NihilistDandy: I still haven't unlocked Noble Republic
08:21:12 <Fiora> I'm a bit farther now, like, 1514ish, but not quite there yet
08:21:29 <Fiora> the east is on a ~40% research penalty, sooo
08:21:45 <Fiora> um.... the expansions? if you want EU3 you should probably get the complete pack, I think. they've updated the mechanics kind of enormously
08:21:57 <Fiora> like when I tried divine wind I was like oh gosh what is going on this is a different game
08:22:18 <Fiora> it's kind of a really slow, long, overcomplicated strategy game (like every paradox game), so make sure you like that kind of thing ^^;
08:22:41 <Fiora> yeah, I haven't tried one of those yet but they look interesting if a bit scary to play
08:24:49 <Fiora> I'm really bad at EU though really
08:26:21 <NihilistDandy> Playing Papal State sounds badass. I forgot how awesome Catholicism sounds on a mythic level
08:26:43 <Fiora> oh! that reminds me, this tumblr is like the bestest tumblr
08:26:44 <Fiora> http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/
08:26:56 <Fiora> it's completely hilarious results of various paradox games
08:27:13 <Fiora> like cornwall taking over the UK, scandinavian africa... XD
08:27:55 <Fiora> holland forming china, cornwall and cyprus taking over europe together
08:28:02 <Fiora> quebec africa... XD
08:30:16 <Fiora> bike introduced me to it, it's kind of wonderful
08:33:39 <NihilistDandy> Are the historical figures real people, or is it more "here's a guy whose name is a bit French"
08:34:10 <Fiora> ummm I think there's a mode for historical figures vs random figures?
08:34:35 <Fiora> you can also start the game at any point in history (in the game's range, ~1390-1820) and it'll set up the map based on how it was at that point in history (with leaders and so on to match)
08:35:13 <Fiora> however you want basically
08:35:25 <Fiora> it has 6 speeds, from paused to the fastest. kind of like simcity
08:36:16 <Fiora> (it's very verymuch not a twitch game)
08:46:10 <Jafet> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:50BMG_size_comparison.JPG "20 x 102 mm round with .50 BMG rounds, golf ball, stick of RAM."
08:48:25 <NihilistDandy> I'm trying to figure out what sort of person owns all of those items
08:48:49 <NihilistDandy> Or, come to think of it, who owns all those things but *not* a ruler
08:50:06 <fizzie> I suppose you've got to own guns if you want to play golf, right?
08:52:27 <fizzie> I was thinking more about defending yourself from the... hazards...
08:55:23 <FreeFull> Fiora: No results for poland on that tumblr
08:55:42 <Fiora> I thought I remember seeing some wonderful poland ones
08:55:46 <Fiora> http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/post/47960065022
08:55:58 <Fiora> http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/post/46764666711
08:56:15 <Fiora> http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/post/45346853367 or this... xD
08:58:10 <fizzie> Why is there never a giant empire of Finland in that sort of things?
08:58:30 <Fiora> there's some I think!
08:58:35 <Fiora> though I think it's often a united scandinavia
08:58:47 <Fiora> since there's a way to form scandinavia if you unite all the scandinavian territories
08:58:49 <fizzie> That doesn't sound very... "believable"...
08:58:52 <Fiora> (it's a long series of ahistorical things)
08:59:02 <Fiora> "believable worlds" is a joke, I think XD
08:59:35 <Fiora> http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/image/41530555981
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10:16:40 <HackEgo> Phantom_Hoover: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
10:16:56 <HackEgo> Phantom_Hoover: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
10:17:04 <shachaf> you can't relcome yourself............................................................................................................................................
10:17:10 <shachaf> s/\./.........................................../g
10:18:20 <ion> s/\./.........................................../g while 1
10:20:23 <ion> s/ion/ion ion ion/g while 1
10:31:43 <NihilistDandy> `relcome shachaf................................................
10:31:45 <HackEgo> shachaf................................................: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
10:32:02 <shachaf> `run echo NihilistDandy | r
10:32:03 <HackEgo> bash: r: command not found
10:32:07 <shachaf> `run echo NihilistDandy | rainbow
10:33:15 <shachaf> `run echo $'#!/bin/bash\necho "$@"' > bin/e; chmod +x bin/e
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10:51:31 <HackEgo> const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451,
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10:55:01 <HackEgo> shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends.
10:55:31 <HackEgo> const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451,191509
10:55:38 <HackEgo> const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451,191509
10:55:45 <HackEgo> bin/! \ bin/? \ bin/@ \ bin/e \ bin/h \ bin/q \ bin/y
10:55:54 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ \? "$@" | perl -C7 -pe '$_ = uc' | sed -e s/[.?]/!/g -e 's/!\?$/!/'
10:56:10 <HackEgo> shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends.
10:56:17 <shachaf> `run grep 1230530576 bin/?
10:56:27 <HackEgo> #!/usr/bin/perl -w \ $_ = join " ", @ARGV; if (s/^([^ ]*) +([^ ]*) +//) { print "$1: "; exec $2, $_; }
10:57:14 <FireFly> ...I thought the output was a bit weird
10:57:25 <HackEgo> #!/usr/bin/perl -p \ s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig
10:57:26 <FireFly> but weird output isn't exactly rare when it comes to HackEgo
10:57:27 <HackEgo> ELF............>.....@.....@.................@.8..@.........@.......@.@.....@.@........................................@......@............................................@.......@................... ..................`.....`.................... .................`.....`............................
10:57:33 <HackEgo> ELF...Ht$..>............8.......HHu<H.8........................fy \ ...............H \ HuB \ H)H
10:57:37 <HackEgo> const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451,191509
10:57:52 <HackEgo> const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451,191509
10:58:06 <HackEgo> y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y
11:00:20 <HackEgo> shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends.
11:00:53 <shachaf> ?????????????????????????????????
11:01:28 <FireFly> Feel free to add something
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11:12:38 <shachaf> kmc: do you know anything about system76.com
11:13:32 <[mbm]> isn't that the old propaganda site?
11:14:41 <[mbm]> nm, thinking system12.com
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11:19:07 <NihilistDandy> Wikipedia definitely made propaganda sound cooler than it appears to be
11:20:19 <[mbm]> the guy that ran the site was pretty much a community troll
11:20:47 <Lymia> What kind of site is this?
11:21:00 <[mbm]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_(desktop_backgrounds)
11:24:18 <NihilistDandy> But the air of defeat detracts from the ranty quality and diminishes its luster.
11:26:23 <[mbm]> it all goes back to when some people started writing a new amiga ui and he did tons of artwork for various widgets like scrollbars and buttons
11:26:54 <[mbm]> and nobody told him that the project died
11:28:14 <NihilistDandy> Also, reading all the other comments in the thread makes me aware of some kind of 13 year old injoke that I will likely waste 10 minutes trying to figure out.
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11:29:13 <[mbm]> damn, guess it has been that long
11:29:39 <NihilistDandy> Something about Windows and the RIAA, or maybe VA Linux Systems, Intel, and the RIAA
11:30:43 <[mbm]> va linux systems was the company that owned various websites, including slashdot and sourceforge; at one time they hosted the propaganda site
11:36:13 <mroman_> http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/04/0224248/uk-benefits-claimants-must-use-windows-xp-ie6
11:36:30 <mroman_> Somebody is doing his job so horribly wrong he shouldn't even have a work permit
11:39:27 <[mbm]> seems fairly obvious; old website and nobody knows how to fix it
11:43:52 <mroman_> because no matter how quirky it is, somebody can fix it
11:44:09 <mroman_> or rebuild it from scratch
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12:09:50 <oerjan> <shachaf> oerjan: coffee is bad for you hth <-- not as bad as caffeine witdrawal. also it's actually supposed to be healthy.
12:09:51 <lambdabot> oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
12:10:34 <oerjan> @tell NihilistDandy Okay
12:10:48 <lambdabot> NihilistDandy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
12:11:20 <oerjan> NihilistDandy: anyway i expect it's similar to the elementary CA numbering in spirit
12:11:39 <shachaf> how did it feel to have glugbot be down
12:12:26 <NihilistDandy> I expected so, I just couldn't for the life of me figure out what it was derived from. The total number was fairly obvious, but being able to say "oh, yeah, it's totally that one" is much less so
12:12:34 <oerjan> @tell taneb <Taneb> Is programming almost exclusively in Haskell bad for you? <-- just mix in some esolang programming hth (and a bit of perl.)
12:13:22 <shachaf> oerjan: i always thought "hth" was a troll thing to say
12:13:44 <shachaf> i thought it was part of "YHBT YHL HAND" but in retrospect none of those is hth
12:14:04 <oerjan> shachaf: you think "mix in some esolang programming" isn't a troll suggestion?
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12:14:15 <shachaf> i guess some people say "HTH HAND" and that's how i formed the association
12:14:35 <shachaf> oerjan: No, it's a joke. It's meant to amuse rather than irritate.
12:15:20 <oerjan> i may be bad at that distinction hth
12:15:46 <shachaf> either that or a very good one
12:15:49 <oerjan> NihilistDandy: i think it's just an oerjan meme
12:16:15 <oerjan> i'm not sure at the moment if anyone else uses it
12:16:30 <NihilistDandy> I feel like I see it in this channel a lot, lately
12:17:06 <oerjan> hm and i wasn't here yesterday
12:17:22 <oerjan> itt shachaf admits to his sins hth
12:17:31 <shachaf> (But when I use it, it expands to "hope that helped".)
12:17:54 <oerjan> shachaf: it does that when i use it too, it just may not always make sense
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12:18:16 <oerjan> or well, i use the present tense.
12:18:35 <olsner> when I use it here it means "that was not supposed to be helpful", everywhere else I think it means "happy to help"
12:18:47 <fizzie> Orwell used the present tense.
12:18:50 <shachaf> Maybe I mean "hope that helps".
12:18:57 <shachaf> I *thought* it was "hope that helped" but I'm not so sure.
12:19:03 <shachaf> At any rate it's definitely "that".
12:19:33 <shachaf> My preferred reading is Orwell.
12:19:39 <oerjan> <ThatOtherPerson> somehow I don't view liquefied brain as a good thing <-- somehow this reminds me of a recently learned fact that cucumbers contain more water than milk does.
12:20:12 <oerjan> fizzie: as did hitler!
12:20:20 <fizzie> People sometimes end messages with "KÄSI" because en:hand (the thing usually at the end of an arm) = fi:käsi.
12:20:34 <olsner> oerjan: also more water than oceans
12:21:02 <NihilistDandy> oerjan: I definitely read that as "Hitler contained more water than milk, as well"
12:21:11 <olsner> not a lot of brains in cucumber though
12:21:15 <NihilistDandy> Which is almost certainly true, in any sense of those words
12:21:26 <oerjan> NihilistDandy: could be.
12:24:22 <oerjan> @tell thatotherperson <ThatOtherPerson> Therefore I think Taneb is Notch. <-- i believe notch is swedish and taneb is sort of everything else.
12:24:54 <oerjan> well everything shachaf isn't, anyway
12:24:58 <NihilistDandy> That's gonna take the fanfic in totally new direction
12:25:48 <fizzie> olsner: Wikipedia's article on seawater implies 96.66% (by mass) of water; the USDA "Cucumber, with peel, raw" table says 95.23% of water. (But both of those probably vary enough so that *some* cucumbers have more water in them than ocean water in some places.)
12:26:08 <fizzie> (Also I think there's more ocean water than cucumbers around, in total.)
12:26:26 <fizzie> (It's called "the blue planet", not "the cucumber planet".)
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12:27:43 <oerjan> shachaf: you are finnish, israeli and american, aren't you? taneb is australian and british, although i'm not sure if he's also american. and i think there were other countries involved.
12:28:10 <fizzie> oerjan: Everyone's Edenian.
12:28:49 <NihilistDandy> fizzie: Though if we go by total mass, we should probably be the "orange-brown" planet or "the orange and hot planet"
12:28:59 <NihilistDandy> I suppose I don't really know what color the outer core is, though
12:29:24 <oerjan> i'm not sure there is much light down there
12:29:39 <oerjan> or wait is that orange as in black body color
12:29:48 <NihilistDandy> http://tallbloke.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/earth-cross-section.gif
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12:30:47 <oerjan> NihilistDandy: i think that image uses the largely discredited "earth as a giant orange" theory.
12:30:57 <NihilistDandy> Anyway, this all comes back to my proposal to give the Earth a new epithet "the cucumber planet"
12:31:18 <oerjan> you mean it's actually _green_ inside?
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12:33:53 <oerjan> <fizzie> Possibly it's even without an extra fee, who knows. <-- i see you are not familiar with the norwegian airline company.
12:34:27 <oerjan> they have a big ad campaign on about how they're cheap because they don't include anything unnecessary in the price.
12:35:17 <shachaf> oerjan is neither swedish nor finnish nor wegian
12:38:39 <oerjan> 10:44:56 <Lumpio-> It says it's free. <-- WHY DO YOU MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A FOOL
12:38:50 <oerjan> also why doesn't webchat allow multiline pastes.
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12:42:58 <fizzie> oerjan: I know that's their reputation, but the wifi *still* seemed to be free.
12:43:31 <fizzie> I couldn't find an explicit statement one way or another, but someone else said it's free.
12:44:20 <shachaf> oerjan: have you considered making me a #esoteric op hth
12:44:35 <lambdabot> Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
12:45:06 <Taneb> oerjan: aww, but I don't want to learn Perl
12:45:17 <Taneb> I've got a list of programming languages I want to learn
12:45:21 <Taneb> And I think Perl is on it
12:46:07 <Taneb> But so is Scala, so I may completely ignore the list
12:47:25 <oerjan> i assume you have prolog or something from the same paradigm
12:50:58 <shachaf> "i regret i didn't mean scablh that didn't help"?
12:51:08 <shachaf> "i realise i did mean scablh that did help"?
12:51:18 <NihilistDandy> "In retrospect, I did mean Scablah. That did help."
12:51:43 <oerjan> itt we learn new useful acronyms tdh
12:52:05 <NihilistDandy> I just realized that txtspk is like lojban, except that people actually use it
12:53:42 <Taneb> txtspk isn't much like lojban in that lojban has more vowels
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12:55:15 <NihilistDandy> Except when they're explicit, so the comparison holds :D
12:56:01 <oerjan> <Phantom__Hoover> "Male Osedax are microscopic dwarfs that live as "harems" inside the lumen of the gelatinous tube that surrounds each female. An individual female can house hundreds of these males in her tube." there's a joke here but i can't quite see it
12:56:54 <oerjan> i read that as "gelatinous cube" at first, and the sentence did make more sense as being about D&D. hth.
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13:07:48 <oerjan> @tell bike <Bike> srslytho where are the logs, where have the logs gone <-- tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric hth
13:09:00 <shachaf> oerjan: How was that "trolly", eh?
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13:14:06 <FreeFull> Nature makes more sense in a D&D context apparently
13:16:14 <oerjan> <shachaf> oerjan: Did you bother looking at the other logs? <-- what a ridiculous idea hth
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13:25:02 <madb4rd> somebody must stop that hth fever
13:26:20 <shachaf> oerjan is the only one who can do it hth
13:26:22 <Taneb> itym somebody mustn't stop that hth fever hth
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13:27:06 <oerjan> madb4rd: imo it's too late hth
13:27:41 <nooodl> i caught the hth fever
13:27:46 <nooodl> i've been using hth outside of #esoteric...
13:29:15 <nooodl> fever i haven't caught: the i_i fever
13:29:30 <pikhq> Gah. I wanted to sleep in!
13:30:01 <madb4rd> i dont understand any of that manga smileys ..manga smileys is correct i suppose?
13:30:18 <fizzie> Mango smileys: they taste better.
13:30:26 <madb4rd> <_< that one may be eyes lookin to the side
13:34:18 <madb4rd> can hackego serach the esowiki?
13:35:16 <madb4rd> @google site:esolangs.com i_i
13:35:31 <shachaf> nooodl: Do you mean "i,i"?
13:36:04 <Taneb> @google site:esolangs.com Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download
13:36:34 <madb4rd> @google site:esolangs.com hair salon
13:36:47 <shachaf> .com isn't the right tld hth
13:36:59 <Taneb> @google site:esolangs.org Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download
13:37:00 <lambdabot> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora's_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download
13:37:00 <lambdabot> Title: Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download - Esolang
13:37:04 <Taneb> Thought typing it felt weird
13:37:25 <madb4rd> @google site:esolangs.org i_i
13:37:32 <madb4rd> @google site:esolangs.org hair salon
13:37:33 <lambdabot> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora's_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download
13:37:33 <lambdabot> Title: Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download - Esolang
13:37:41 <shachaf> Taneb: how did you come up with such a wonderful name for an esolang
13:38:03 <Taneb> shachaf: I asked a spambot what it thought I should name it
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13:38:39 <shachaf> * Taneb . o O ( <Taneb> I GOT THE IDEA FROM LIKING HAIR SALONS AND I JUST WENT FROM THERE )
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13:39:15 <shachaf> http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=109
13:39:15 <Taneb> The language itself was inspired by BIT and lambda calculus
13:39:25 <shachaf> super mega comics is the best comics
13:41:08 <ion> shachaf: Channel log: 2012-03-23
13:41:30 <shachaf> In about 1.1 billion years, the solar luminosity will be 10% higher than at present. This will cause the atmosphere to become a "moist greenhouse", resulting in a runaway evaporation of the oceans. As a likely consequence, plate tectonics will come to an end.[11]
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13:43:00 <madb4rd> i almost believed tectonic activity was caused by vulcanic activity
13:43:15 <ion> I don’t remember what the bot that came up with the title spammed. The IRC channel or the wiki?
13:43:41 <madb4rd> hail the mighty penis in the sky
13:43:48 <shachaf> 20:24:56: <ion> taneb: Real Fast Nora’s Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download
13:43:55 <ion> I was referring to the wiki spam.
13:43:58 <NihilistDandy> I remember reading some very funny spam on the wiki
13:44:14 <shachaf> I thought the name was "Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download"
13:44:22 <shachaf> But it turns out to be "Real Fast Nora’s Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download"
13:45:06 <oerjan> madb4rd: i think the theory is that there needs to be water in the earth's interior to lubricate the process
13:45:48 <oerjan> and that venus lack of water is why it doesn't have any
13:46:54 <shachaf> There's a movie called "Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster".
13:47:23 <shachaf> Admittedly the title is much improved when it talks about "Real Fast Nora".
13:47:25 <oerjan> shachaf: you know it's a bad series when the title character dies in the first film
13:48:28 <madb4rd> i like dying title characters..wait i dont like title characters
13:49:01 <NihilistDandy> madb4rd: Oh, then would you ever like [SPOILER ALERT]
13:49:11 <madb4rd> have you read the silmarillion oerjan?
13:49:16 <Taneb> shachaf: it's Real Fast (Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster) Download
13:49:52 <NihilistDandy> Three people in the world are known to have read the Silmarillion. Tolkien himself, his editor, and a girl I met in a bar once
13:50:01 <oerjan> madb4rd: only up do about when they created the sun and moon
13:50:04 <ion> Have you read the silmarillioerjan?
13:50:09 <shachaf> Taneb: Well, maybe the original spam was. But the name of the esolang isn't.
13:50:38 <shachaf> It's (Real Fast Nora)'s Hair Salon 3: (Shear Disaster Download)
13:50:39 <Taneb> The "'s" in "it's" was short for " was"
13:51:04 <shachaf> *Maybe* you could argue for ((Real Fast Nora)'s Hair Salon 3: (Shear Disaster)) Download
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13:51:30 <ion> Silmärilli is Finnish for eyegoggle.
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13:51:36 <NihilistDandy> I'll argue for the "'s" in "Nora's" to also mean "was"
13:51:38 <lambdabot> oerjan said 1h 27m 16s ago: <ThatOtherPerson> Therefore I think Taneb is Notch. <-- i believe notch is swedish and taneb is sort of everything else.
13:51:40 <madb4rd> i would have think you'll like it.. as the hobby linguist i think you are
13:52:00 <ThatOtherPerson> And then I saw "-!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)."
13:52:16 <madb4rd> everyone dies in this book
13:52:24 <shachaf> spoilers, this book is #esoteric
13:52:52 <Taneb> oerjan: I'm just British/Australian with Dutch and possibly Spanish and Sri Lankan ancestry
13:53:06 <shachaf> hey i have all sorts of *ancestry*
13:53:18 <shachaf> i thought we were talking about citizenships
13:53:45 <Taneb> shachaf: I was describing both
13:54:00 <Taneb> The first two are both, the last three are the latter only
13:54:11 <shachaf> Taneb: aren't all australians criminals hth
13:54:14 <NihilistDandy> I'm about to have a very Lord of the Rings moment, in that I'm about to run out of pipe tobacco
13:54:39 <ion> They keep running out of pipe tobacco in LotR?
13:54:46 <Taneb> shachaf: the Australians I'm descended from came over from the Netherlands in the 50's
13:55:17 <shachaf> Taneb: that proves nothing
13:56:09 <Taneb> Not as far as I am aware
13:56:32 <Taneb> And also the British I were descended from mostly stole sheep on the England/Scotland border
13:57:14 <shachaf> you're breaking the laws of grammar
13:57:37 <ion> Are all Taneb also criminals?
13:57:50 <NihilistDandy> ion: "Last of the South Farthing Leaf" or some such hobbitism
13:57:58 <Taneb> I believe all the Tanebs other than me are racehorses
13:59:15 <shachaf> other Tanebs invent A-modules
13:59:21 <NihilistDandy> Taneb: People on Scratch are so saccharine I may get diabetes
13:59:24 <shachaf> some of them invent B-modules or C-modules
13:59:31 <HackEgo> D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them.
13:59:38 <shachaf> our Taneb invents D-modules :'(
14:02:55 <shachaf> Taneb was around back in the 1970s.
14:02:56 <NihilistDandy> Or he's lying about his age, name, and nationality
14:03:17 <shachaf> The d in ngevd stands for d-module
14:03:49 <NihilistDandy> Not as bad as stack theory, I guess, but that's not saying much
14:04:31 <FireFly> shachaf: what do the other letters stand for??
14:07:00 <shachaf> norway germany estonia venezuela
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14:10:08 <FireFly> Inter-continental D-module theory
14:11:00 <NihilistDandy> Taneb: The horse racing nation isn't saying anything about you, and it says you died in 1963
14:11:47 <FireFly> "isn't saying anything about you, and it says you died"
14:11:53 <FireFly> There's a contradiction around here
14:25:18 <Sgeo> Should I watch Watchmen or read Watchmen?
14:26:26 <Sgeo> Is it... just one book, or is it a series
14:27:10 <Sgeo> ...Amazon is telling me I could read it on my Kindle
14:27:16 <Sgeo> I thought it was a graphic novel
14:27:27 <Sgeo> (Also I don't have a Kindle, but I do have a Nook)
14:27:42 <Sgeo> Should I not bother with ebook version?
14:28:16 <pikhq> I'd assume as much.
14:28:19 <madb4rd> "super" is a great comic-related movie imo
14:28:28 <madb4rd> heroes without superpowers
14:29:33 <madb4rd> its partly brilliant i'd say
14:29:47 <Sgeo> Going to go see if it's worth getting a PO box
14:29:56 <Sgeo> Because dad won't give me the key to the mailbox here
14:30:59 <Taneb> `addquote <Sgeo> Should I watch Watchmen or read Watchmen? [...] <NihilistDandy> Please, who *watches* The Watchmen?
14:31:03 <HackEgo> 1029) <Sgeo> Should I watch Watchmen or read Watchmen? [...] <NihilistDandy> Please, who *watches* The Watchmen?
14:33:26 <Koen_> is that the one with helen page madb4rd?
14:33:35 <madb4rd> http://www.movie2k.to/Super-watch-movie-780017.html
14:34:04 <Sgeo> I could, if I wanted, buy a new Kindle every week. (Why would I do that)
14:34:20 <Sgeo> Money feels weird
14:34:46 <Taneb> Sgeo: the other day, I gave 5 to one of my friends for absolutely no reason
14:34:52 <Taneb> I recommend doing stuff like that
14:34:58 <Taneb> Giving money to my friends, that is
14:39:00 * Sgeo just donated $25 to Doctors Without Borders
14:48:14 * impomatic likes something in return for his money...
14:49:37 <Taneb> By which I of course meant, To Be Or Not To Be: That Is The Adventure comes out this month!
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15:03:44 <Koen_> I'll show you how it's done ais523
15:03:46 <lambdabot> elliott said 3d 13h 12m 3s ago: imo, fuck iou
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15:19:12 <Taneb> The two main reasons I am not using Haiku as my primary OS
15:19:27 <Taneb> 1) No driver for my wireless adaptor
15:29:46 <FireFly> Oh, right, that's another OS I gotta try someday
15:31:33 <Sgeo> I'd like my ability to get my mail to not be tied to my dad.
15:32:20 <Gregor> Taneb: (3) Not a useful or complete OS.
15:32:32 <Taneb> Gregor: since when have I cared about that
15:37:55 <NihilistDandy> I heard that Word of God OS got a new name. You could try that out
15:38:24 <mroman_> Adaptor sounds like raptor
15:38:29 <mroman_> but more adapted to todays needs.
15:38:36 <mroman_> You could port ghc to Haiku
15:38:56 <Taneb> (Haiku is also the OS I've been second most successful installing)
15:39:22 <elliott> Taneb: are you sure this contravariant "f" isn't a mistake
15:39:51 <Taneb> elliott: it's not my mistake, mm_freak is trying to teach that not everything of kind * -> * is a Functor
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16:15:15 <Sgeo> What episode of TNG should I watch?
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16:15:49 <NihilistDandy> The one where Picard lives a second life in 20 minutes
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16:27:50 <ion> Watch Voyager: Threshold.
16:29:27 <lambdabot> Bike: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
16:30:32 <ion> olsner: Ah, indeed. He should watch the animated series.
16:30:52 <olsner> yes, where you get to meet Spock's pet Targh
16:31:24 <ion> And the devil is actually a good guy from another planet, just misunderstood.
16:32:04 <NihilistDandy> My favorite episode of Star Trek is an episode of Doctor Who
16:32:26 <ion> Was that the Babylon 5 one? Yeah, that was a good episode of Star Trek.
16:33:23 <olsner> nah, I think that was A New Hope (episode 4? iirc)
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16:38:12 <ThatOtherPerson> From a Wikipedia article I was reading: "The park was famed for its automata well into the fifteenth century before it was destroyed by English soldiers in the sixteenth century."
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16:40:17 <Bike> ThatOtherPerson: where is it, france?
16:40:25 <NihilistDandy> I reversed century precedence for a minute and thought Taneb had destroyed it before it had become famous for its automata
16:42:27 * Sgeo wonders if he gets Babylon 5 for 'free'
16:43:41 <Sgeo> I should really watch The Matrix
16:44:27 <Sgeo> I've been doing the legal thing lately
16:44:36 <Sgeo> Mostly because I can
16:44:53 <Bike> is this the power of money?!
16:58:02 <Sgeo> Behold! The power of money!
16:58:42 <Sgeo> That was not intended to line up.
16:58:51 <Bike> good 'cos it didn't
16:59:10 <Sgeo> Are you using a non-monospaced font for IRC??
16:59:34 <Sgeo> ...wait. am i using a nonmonospaced font for irc
17:00:42 <Sgeo> Nope. Eyes are playing tricks on me.
17:08:58 <Sgeo> At the very beginning of the Matrix, are viewers supposed to be tricked into thinking the agents (and police) are the good guys?
17:09:46 <Bike> Are the other guys still wearing sunglasses and trenchcoats?
17:12:28 <Sgeo> At the point I was referring to we didn't even meet Neo
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17:42:46 <Sgeo> You know what would make sense? If they _told_ him what the experience would be like. Do this, don't do this, co-operate with this machine, avoid this one, etc.
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17:44:05 <NihilistDandy> Sgeo: It would also make sense if they didn't contact him in a public IRC channel or call him over the phone in a world run and monitored by the machines.
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17:45:33 <Bike> something something maya something
17:52:33 <Bike> no, the concept it's named after
17:53:35 <kmc> shachaf: 'sometimes'
17:53:36 <lambdabot> kmc: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
17:53:51 <lambdabot> shachaf said 4h 4m 55s ago: do you logread
17:54:31 <Bike> one of the things the matrix is based on
17:56:23 <Sgeo> NihilistDandy, would talking in 'person' really be any better?
17:57:27 <NihilistDandy> I dunno. There weren't agents closing in on the gang's every move when they were feeding him drugs, apparently, so maybe somebody needs to actually be in the room
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17:59:06 <Sgeo> When they're uploading martial arts knowledge, one of them is 'drunken boxing'
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18:40:54 <ThatOtherPerson> (I have no idea how to properly say that in proper English)
18:41:58 <Bike> I MUST FIND THE GAME CREATED BY I, THATOTHERPERSON, AND MY COMPATRIOT TANEB
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18:56:45 <ThatOtherPerson> but aren't you always supposed to mention yourself at the end of a list of people?
18:58:10 <ThatOtherPerson> Also, if you removed "Taneb", then that would be "me game", and that's just pirate speak
18:58:21 <Bike> you're supposed to do "Taneb and I", yeah
18:58:31 <Bike> "me and Taneb" is "ungrammatical" but fuck it
18:58:34 <Phantom__Hoover> no, it would be 'my game' because that's how genitives work
18:59:42 <Sgeo> Computer programs in charge of running a VR should be a bit more ... omnipotent than Matrix agents
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19:15:31 <oerjan> `addquote <Bike> http://www.amazon.com/Someone-Cuttlefish-Shapeshifter-Erotica-ebook/dp/B0087PTMW2 i hope you know this is going to /fuck up/ my amazon recs
19:15:35 <HackEgo> 1030) <Bike> http://www.amazon.com/Someone-Cuttlefish-Shapeshifter-Erotica-ebook/dp/B0087PTMW2 i hope you know this is going to /fuck up/ my amazon recs
19:18:59 <oerjan> rule 34 i assume (i did not click that link but i clicked the picture linked earlier in the logs)
19:19:18 <elliott> it's just the book that the picture is of
19:20:57 <Sgeo> Phantom__Hoover, a few episodes
19:22:43 <Bike> Anyone here know shit about control theory?
19:23:08 <elliott> we don't do biology here Bike!!
19:23:30 <kmc> Bike: a little tiny bit
19:23:42 <oerjan> <shachaf> oerjan: are you reading these.. i have a question to ask you!! <-- certainly not!
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19:23:57 <ThatOtherPerson> Life is so much more interesting when you try to interpret everything literally.
19:24:28 <Bike> well, i'm struggling to understand wtf a hamiltonian is
19:24:40 <kmc> oh i don't know about those :/
19:24:46 <elliott> Bike: it's a fancy name for bad breath like biologists have
19:24:58 <Bike> or more directly what Pontryagin's minimum principle is all about
19:25:29 <Bike> elliott what are you even talking about
19:25:48 <elliott> well it sounds like hamiltonian
19:25:55 <elliott> so i twisted your question so i could "burn" biologists
19:26:18 <elliott> In most cases (85–90%), bad breath originates in the mouth itself.[2]
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19:26:36 <Bike> this is a pretty bad burn imo
19:27:06 <elliott> you're disfigured for life by the bad burn
19:27:13 <elliott> (do you see how I interpreted "bad" differently)
19:27:37 <Bike> ok that was better
19:27:50 <elliott> i don't think you get it ThatOtherPerson
19:28:07 <Bike> the joke is that elliott is secretly a myrmecologist.
19:28:30 <elliott> Bike: Jenny is researching prairie ecology, but one day while doing field work she has an unexpected encounter with a herd of wild horses. They're beautiful creatures - and she's shocked when they become handsome men! Jenny's life is about to get much more interesting... and much less lonely.
19:28:37 <elliott> this cuttlefish person's other books are great
19:28:49 <Bike> accurate depiction of fieldwork
19:29:08 <elliott> myrmecologists study mermaids right
19:29:45 <Vorpal> elliott, ... is this bad fan fiction of some sort?
19:29:52 <elliott> Vorpal: fan fiction of what......
19:30:56 <Bike> i think fan fiction of horses is just considered fiction
19:31:21 <Bike> also: no, it's porn.
19:31:30 <Sgeo> Aren't there more than 3 seasons of The IT Crowd?
19:31:35 <Sgeo> Amazon only has 3
19:32:06 <elliott> Bike: does porn not count as fiction
19:32:14 <Bike> not as /fan/ fiction
19:32:22 <Bike> unless it's also fanfiction
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19:33:49 <kmc> you know those dreams where you realize you're still in school and haven't done any work for the term and you're going to fail and then you meet someone cool and embarass yourself in front of them and then all your teeth fall out and your mouth is a bleeding mess?
19:34:33 <Taneb> kmc: I swear that happened to me in real life the other week
19:34:57 <elliott> i had a dream that i think was vaguely interesting yesterday but i forgot it
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19:37:26 <Taneb> elliott: I have an important question for you
19:37:39 <Vorpal> I once dreamt that I was dreaming that I was dreaming. ...
19:38:27 <Taneb> Vorpal: are you sure you just wasn't watching Inception?
19:38:30 <AnotherTest> If yesterday is today, is today then yesterday?
19:38:38 <Vorpal> Taneb, no, but I think the middle dream was lucid
19:38:50 <Vorpal> Taneb, according to the dream anyway
19:38:51 <Taneb> You can tell by the fact Leonardo DiCaprio was in it
19:39:04 <Vorpal> Taneb, I never watched Inception
19:39:22 <Taneb> ...so you dreamt you had a lucid dream, in which you dreamt?
19:39:32 <elliott> Taneb: what is the question
19:39:41 <Taneb> elliott: you'll never know!
19:39:44 <Vorpal> Taneb, then the outer dream got lucid and I woke up.
19:39:56 <Taneb> oerjan: how is my "evil genius" going?
19:39:59 <Vorpal> elliott, it is spelled syringe
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19:40:16 <AnotherTest> To be or not to be, that is the question elliott
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19:41:32 <oerjan> Taneb: you seem to have succeeded at keeping your evil plans secret to me, at least.
19:42:24 <Taneb> ...I write about flaming time trees?
19:42:39 <oerjan> but you should get a nemesis to reveal everything to, for historical recordkeeping
19:42:59 <Taneb> I can assure you that you have not yet began to unearth even the very beginning of my schemes!
19:43:08 <Taneb> oerjan: you can email me your CV if you want
19:43:24 <ThatOtherPerson> Taneb: no, actually you read about flames throughout time on trees.
19:43:28 <oerjan> i cannot be your nemesis, an evil genius needs a good nemesis.
19:44:00 <Taneb> Would you be in the same rogues' gallery as me, then?
19:44:19 <Taneb> oerjan: we'd be like the Joker and the Penguin!
19:44:56 <Sgeo> Do Good Old Games games work on Linux?
19:45:09 <oerjan> i have to admit i only know barely enough batman to have heard of the penguin
19:45:31 <Sgeo> There's a penguin?
19:45:43 <Bike> one of batman'svillains is called the Penguin.
19:45:55 <ThatOtherPerson> Really, what person in his right mind would dress up like a bat to fight crime?
19:46:01 <oerjan> now opus the penguin, there's a scary nemesis
19:46:11 * Sgeo was under the impression that Batman is not in his right mind
19:46:34 <oerjan> Sgeo: he's off the grey scale
19:46:58 <Taneb> Sgeo: depends on the version
19:47:25 <kmc> do you know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Jones
19:47:51 <ThatOtherPerson> Taneb: http://www.answers.com/topic/dendropyrochronology <-- it is your calling
19:48:08 <Bike> skin fire tie?
19:48:12 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson: that's a stupid idea
19:48:28 <Taneb> Bike: dendro- is tree, I'm pretty sure
19:48:36 <Taneb> Hence rhodadendron, lit. "rose tree"
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19:48:50 <Bike> oh, that's actually a sensible term, and not something dumb and made up
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19:49:13 <Bike> «Jones says the best way to prevent getting mistaken for a criminal by the police is to wear a "supersuit"»
19:49:57 <Sgeo> 'Jones says the best way to prevent getting mistaken for a criminal by the police is to wear a "supersuit",[8] although local police have expressed concern that the strange costumes may lead to emergency calls from citizens who mistake the "superheroes" for criminals.'
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19:50:16 <Sgeo> There's an obvious problem with this, unless police start trying to recognize individuals
19:50:42 <kmc> there are lots of videos of him on youtube too
19:50:50 <oerjan> and here i resisted putting that in the topic earlier
19:51:12 <elliott> He does not condone other people dressing up and fighting crime.
19:51:16 <oerjan> well, something similar.
19:51:47 <kmc> "Geologically, the Firth of Forth is a fjord"
19:52:30 <Sgeo> Did Vorpal just get here?
19:52:32 <Vorpal> Someone suggested that wearing a superman costume or similar would reduce the risk being mistaken for a criminal?
19:52:43 <Sgeo> Yes, everyone was talking about this guy.
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19:52:53 <elliott> guys we all know Vorpal only has two lines of scrollback
19:53:07 <Vorpal> Outside of a comics convention, this makes no sense.
19:53:16 <ais523> elliott: fwiw, it's almost an entire screen back for me
19:53:26 <ais523> so if I hadn't been looking at the conversation at the time, I'd have had to scroll
19:53:31 <Vorpal> elliott, I read the line "<Sgeo> 'Jones says the best way to prevent getting mistaken for a criminal by the police is to wear a "supersuit",[8] although local police have expressed concern that the strange costumes may lead to emergency calls from citizens who mistake the "superheroes" for criminals.'"
19:53:37 <Vorpal> and just went WTH at it
19:54:02 <Vorpal> elliott, I don't see anything much above it apart from Bike's line
19:54:20 <oerjan> <Phantom__Hoover> also why are people always ragging on the -gate suffix <-- because it's cool hthgate
19:54:21 <ais523> if there was a reliable way to make people think you were legit, then criminals would use it
19:55:40 <Vorpal> ais523, I don't think being mistaken for a criminal has ever been a concern of mine. I never had anyone think I was a criminal. Ever.
19:55:53 <oerjan> wait i read that as tagging disregard hthgate
19:55:54 <Vorpal> So I'm not sure it is all that useful.
19:56:05 * kmc is a criminal
19:56:08 * kmc is a smooth criminal
19:56:18 <oerjan> or wait would that be tacking
19:56:19 <Vorpal> kmc, how do you mean smooth?
19:56:29 <oerjan> kmc: but are you analytic?
19:57:30 <elliott> `Real-life superheroes (RLSH) are people who dress up in costumes, help the homeless, and fight crime.[1][2]
19:57:32 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: Real-life: not found
19:58:15 <elliott> The December 31, 2009 Norwegian publication, Aftenposten featured an article and photos of Real-Life Superheroes. The article included "Life", "Geist", "The Deaths Head Moth", "Dreizehn", "Entomo" and "Superhero."[20][clarification needed]
19:58:21 <elliott> imagine calling yourself Superhero
19:58:34 <elliott> The British tabloid The Sun ran an article on the country's Real-Life Superheroes, including "The Statesman", "Vague", "Swift", "Black Arrow", "Lionheart" and "Terrorvision".[21][22]
19:58:58 <oerjan> Unimaginatively Named Man
20:00:14 <oerjan> are there any comic book superheroes that insist on wearing only ordinary clothes
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20:00:40 <Bike> the question, sorta?
20:01:37 <kmc> are there any comic book superheroes that insist on wearing nothing
20:02:15 <Bike> the engineer, silver surfer?
20:03:34 <kmc> `quote 380
20:03:35 <HackEgo> 380) * Sgeo mutters about broken toilets <Sgeo> #toilet is useless <monqy> is #toilet even a thing <Sgeo> I'm looking for help with toilets
20:04:12 <Bike> ThatOtherPerson: there are a whole shitload of terms for roma people
20:04:27 <Sgeo> Huh. #toilet still exists
20:04:39 <kmc> what is it about
20:04:40 <Bike> Oh, it's from Greek
20:04:47 <kmc> also shouldn't it be ##toilet
20:04:50 <Bike> The name originates with Byzantine Greek ατσίγγανοι (atsinganoi, Latin adsincani) or αθίγγανοι (athinganoi, literally "untouchables"), a term applied to the sect of the Melchisedechians
20:04:52 <elliott> Bike: that does not count as normal, imo
20:05:09 <Bike> elliott: faces don't count as clothes!
20:05:18 <Sgeo> ##toilet is also registered and is very new
20:05:55 <NihilistDandy> I guess Black Widow and Nick Fury are technically plain-clothes
20:06:12 <Bike> elliott: then what do you mean!
20:06:43 <NihilistDandy> And there was Jubilee from X-Men, the very definition of the '80s
20:06:55 <elliott> imo, ask not what I mean, but what yourself means
20:11:31 <oerjan> <ThatOtherPerson> <oerjan> by some freak coincidence taneb is elliott's next door neighbor <-- is this true <-- it is unreasonably close to true.
20:12:16 <elliott> that one was good because you said it before the hexham thing actually happened.
20:13:42 <Bike> by 'the hexham thing' do you mean the two of you continuing to live in the same place(s)
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20:14:25 <ThatOtherPerson> (plot twist: Hexham doesn't really exist and is an elaborate scheme cooked up by Taneb and elliott)
20:14:36 <Vorpal> man, there are sooo many strange super-heroes and villains.
20:14:42 <elliott> Bike: i mean the part where...
20:14:43 <ThatOtherPerson> (and they put it in all the maps and made all the websites and whatnot)
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20:16:35 <elliott> 21:39:06: <oerjan> <Taneb> I'm a Northumbrian <-- and you say that after i was joking the other they that you were coincidentally Elliott's next door neighboor
20:16:47 <elliott> Bike: this happens http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-07-16#160048PhantomHoover
20:18:20 <Vorpal> 16:08:53: <oklofok> someone still uses facebook? <-- so oklo
20:18:35 <Vorpal> 16:09:37: <Taneb> 1789 friends <-- still that bad Taneb?
20:18:41 <elliott> Bike: btw stop reading that log before it gets to the cheater
20:18:43 <Bike> well i see esoteric has been roughly as incomprehensible in the distant past as it is now
20:18:49 <Taneb> Vorpal: I deleted that account
20:19:11 <Vorpal> do you use face book still?
20:19:19 <Taneb> Yeah, my current account has 250 friends
20:19:20 <Bike> i use face book
20:19:44 <Vorpal> Taneb and elliott, have you two met in RL yet?
20:20:18 <Vorpal> when you are so close to each other
20:20:18 <Bike> it's not that weird, arranging irl meetups is weird
20:20:27 <Bike> also probably hard to get up the motivation if it's somewhere as boring as hexham
20:20:35 <elliott> Bike: well the astonishing thing is that i don't like even recognise his face
20:20:42 <elliott> by all rights we should have bumped into each other multiple times
20:20:47 <Bike> doesn't hexham have like thousands of people in it
20:20:55 <elliott> i mean the population is like 12k
20:20:59 <Bike> that's still thousands
20:21:27 <Taneb> Hexham's a small town in Northumberland
20:21:41 <Taneb> Which is a big county by area but tiny by population
20:22:06 <Bike> i mean, my town has 17k but i can remember like. two faces. half a face
20:22:40 <Taneb> I believe Hexham has an aging population
20:22:51 <Vorpal> Bike, what? Sure you must have more than 2.5 friends?
20:22:53 <elliott> never mind Bike you just don't get hexham
20:22:56 <Taneb> So the amount of people in me and elliott's age group is maybe a couple of hundred at most
20:23:04 <Vorpal> Taneb, every place has an aging population.
20:23:08 <elliott> Taneb: probably more than that
20:23:11 <Bike> Vorpal: why would i be on irc if i had friends.
20:23:15 <Vorpal> though some of it stay still due to the birth rate
20:23:44 <Bike> the joke is crushing loneliness.
20:23:53 <Taneb> elliott: take in mind that there are about 240 in each year at the high school and a lot of those, probably more than half, come in from out of town
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20:24:07 <Bike> that's a good deal less than my high school
20:24:33 <NihilistDandy> Taneb: Don't all places have aging populations? If not, I'd like to move to one of the exceptions.
20:24:40 <Taneb> Bike: there's one high school in town and everyone of the appropriate age except elliott attends
20:24:53 <Taneb> NihilistDandy: I meant something subtly different to what I said
20:24:53 <Vorpal> NihilistDandy, you mean where people grow younger year by year?
20:24:58 <Bike> elliott you'renot in one of those fucking weenie college things are you
20:25:20 <elliott> Bike: weenie college things???
20:25:29 <Taneb> Bike: pretty much everyone in my year at school (which elliott I think would just be in) knows who I am
20:25:34 <Vorpal> NihilistDandy, yeah, if there was a place where you aged backward, I would live in that place every other year
20:25:39 <Bike> i know a guy who's like fifteen and in college because he's in some program for that
20:25:45 <Bike> Taneb: are you 'popular'
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20:25:53 <Taneb> Bike: more 'infamous'
20:25:55 <elliott> i know a guy who's like fifteen and in college too!
20:26:04 <Bike> elliott: ok but everyone you know is kind of a freak.
20:26:19 <elliott> Bike: yeah but this one is also in #esoteric while not simultaneously being a biologist or a bicycle, and hence cool.
20:26:27 <NihilistDandy> In retrospect, I wish I'd dropped out of high school at 15, gotten my GED, and not wasted so much time faffing about with high school
20:26:28 <Vorpal> <Taneb> Bike: pretty much everyone in my year at school (which elliott I think would just be in) knows who I am <-- what? you are in the same year??
20:26:33 <Vorpal> and don't know each other RL?
20:26:50 <Bike> vorpal you have really different social norms from me, wtf
20:26:54 <Taneb> Vorpal: I don't comment on elliott's education due to lack of information
20:26:59 <Vorpal> NihilistDandy, what about university?
20:27:07 <Taneb> My sources claim elliott is "a bit odd"
20:27:17 <Vorpal> Taneb, you mean your experience on IRC?
20:27:21 <Bike> dammit elliott you're a weenie aren't you AREN'T YOU
20:27:31 <Bike> his real life elliott spy network
20:27:33 <elliott> Bike: i'm upset w.r.t. being called a weenie!!!!!
20:27:51 <Taneb> Vorpal: someone who went to first school with an elliott who wasn't Facekicker
20:27:55 <Vorpal> elliott, hey are you still as much below average height as you used to be?
20:27:58 <Bike> i don't respect u
20:28:08 <NihilistDandy> Vorpal: What about it? I'd have a high school diploma, I could have killed my gen eds at a community college in 4 semesters and then gone to university at seventeen to get a degree
20:28:31 <olsner> Taneb: why are you infamous?
20:28:35 <Vorpal> NihilistDandy, I don't understand the education system you describe. Whatever, lets just move on.
20:28:46 <Taneb> Vorpal: when I was new to the channel, I asked some of my friends if they had heard of Elliott
20:28:49 <Bike> he's infamous for not knowing elliott even though they use the same irc channell
20:29:00 <Taneb> One of them had been kicked in the face by someone with the same name
20:29:01 <Bike> dammit elliott you're fucking up my typing!
20:29:10 <olsner> aah, you're infamous for having an imaginary friend called elliott?
20:29:22 <Taneb> No, different elliott
20:29:31 <NihilistDandy> Vorpal: In the US, you're only required to attend high school until the end of your sophomore year, or so. The GED is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Educational_Development
20:29:33 <Taneb> Turns out Facekicker is an Eliott rather than an Elliott
20:30:21 <Taneb> olsner: I'm infamous for mainly being a complete idiot
20:30:32 <Taneb> With OCD-like symptoms
20:30:59 <Vorpal> haven't you developed esolangs?
20:31:04 <Taneb> And unfortunately resembling a particular well-known character from the popular TV series the Big Bang Theory
20:31:09 <Vorpal> then how can you be an idiot
20:31:17 <Vorpal> (well a complete one at any rate)
20:31:21 <Taneb> Vorpal: I sometimes skip backwards for fun
20:31:22 <kmc> fuck that show
20:31:23 <elliott> have you seen some of the languages on the wiki
20:31:29 <Vorpal> elliott, oh, good point
20:31:31 <Bike> also i mostly know northumberland from viking chronicles
20:31:35 <Bike> in which it mostly ends up burnt?
20:31:39 <elliott> Bike: so when are you coming to hexham
20:31:42 <Sgeo> http://qntm.org/schema
20:31:47 <Taneb> NihilistDandy: nah, Penny
20:31:54 <Bike> dude is your high school seriously called Queen Elizabeth
20:32:12 <Taneb> NihilistDandy: #esoslash is almost empty!
20:32:20 <Bike> elliott: if i do i'm bringing bioweapons
20:32:26 <Bike> that's terrible
20:32:27 <Taneb> It's named after Queen Elizabeth
20:32:47 <Taneb> Famous for having male internal organs or something
20:33:07 <Bike> a performing arts college.......
20:33:19 <ThatOtherPerson> 22:12:41: <elliott> Taneb: sorry Phantom_Hoover's name is cooler.
20:33:22 <Bike> well, anyway, it has a few hundred less students than my high school did
20:33:26 <Taneb> We have a pretty cool drama department
20:34:16 <elliott> Bike: okay but it'd make the antarctica trip easier to organise
20:34:41 <Bike> i'm bringing the bioweapons so that we can establish our domain on the antarctic plain
20:34:55 <Bike> you know, cackling, demanding a million dollars from the united nations, etc
20:34:55 <Taneb> So we can rescue tswett?
20:36:25 <Bike> "The school was founded in 1599" how the heck is everything in britland so damn old
20:36:41 <Taneb> Bike: check out Hexham Abbey
20:36:45 <NihilistDandy> Not to mention the supercomputer/datacenter possibilities with all that permafrost
20:37:05 <Vorpal> Bike, why is that a surprising age for a school?
20:37:20 <Bike> there's not much permafrost in antarctica
20:37:24 <Vorpal> NihilistDandy, kind of far away from everything
20:37:30 <elliott> Bike: do you know when New College, Oxford was founded
20:37:57 <Bike> Vorpal: because i live in a country where no structure, social or physical, has been in operation that long
20:38:06 <Vorpal> elliott, what about the the non-new collage?
20:38:09 <Bike> elliott: that's like, more than twenty years ago
20:38:11 <Vorpal> Presumably there is an old one?
20:38:33 <elliott> Vorpal: well it is actually not known when oxford university was founded
20:38:33 <Vorpal> Bike, I live in a house built in 1907, I consider that kind of modern.
20:38:38 <oerjan> <ThatOtherPerson> oh wow you're right! <-- if you are checking that on the wiki you might want to pay close attention to kerning hthgate
20:38:40 <elliott> EstablishedUnknown, teaching existed since 1096; 916 years ago[1]
20:38:44 <Taneb> Hexham dates back to at least the 600s
20:38:50 <ThatOtherPerson> Vorpal: It's always a little strange when I go to Europe and see all these places that have been around for hundreds of years
20:38:51 <elliott> Although its exact date of foundation is unclear, there is evidence of teaching as far back as 1096.[1]
20:39:02 <elliott> britain: "we literally don't know how old this shit is"
20:39:08 <ThatOtherPerson> oerjan: I remember when someone was messing around with the kerning on that
20:39:08 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, okay?
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20:39:20 <Bike> isn't the known oldest continously operating university in like, italy
20:39:22 <oerjan> ThatOtherPerson: that being me
20:39:24 <Bike> or maybe oman, i get confused
20:39:38 <Bike> ThatOtherPerson: er don't you live in saudi arabia
20:39:58 <Taneb> In the US they build shopping malls on ancient holy sites. In the UK, we build holy sites
20:40:06 <ThatOtherPerson> Bike: I live in Saudi Arabia, am from the States, and generally visit Europe and the States every summer
20:40:12 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, I guess the States would feel weird for me then, what with there being no old buildings.
20:40:17 <Bike> there's a lot of really old stuff there?
20:40:55 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, how did you end up in a country like Saudi?
20:40:57 <Bike> the great mosque of djenne is made of mud and it's still damned impressive
20:41:17 <Bike> oh heh, it's actually like a hundred years old
20:41:19 <Bike> ancient history
20:41:29 <oerjan> NihilistDandy: it's just a side effect of the recent gategate hth
20:41:51 <NihilistDandy> My understanding is that the whole place is just sick with castles. I've been looking into taking one off the poor EU's hands
20:42:00 <ThatOtherPerson> Bike: actually, most of the buildings and infrastructure here are quite new
20:42:10 <Bike> well yeah, /most/ of it
20:42:26 <Bike> there aren't a lot of oxford universities in oxford either!
20:42:36 <Taneb> Bike: there's at least two
20:42:53 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, how is it living in a dictatorship like that? That is suppressing women to such an absurd degree.
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20:43:03 <Taneb> More than there are in, eg, Cambridge
20:43:32 <ThatOtherPerson> Vorpal: We're somewhat insulated from the normal culture here, but we experience it a bit
20:43:33 <Taneb> But less than there are Birmingham universities in Birmingham, perhaps
20:43:47 <oerjan> NihilistDandy: clearly you must put a castle IN SPACE
20:44:26 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, huh, you live in some sort of American enclave?
20:45:11 * Bike reflects that not everybody in the world knows people who were diplomats' kids and know this
20:45:16 <oerjan> NihilistDandy: actually, make that _two_ castles joined bottom to bottom of each other, then there will literally be no downside
20:45:21 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, okay, you live in some sort of western enclave then?
20:46:08 <ThatOtherPerson> More or less... Saudis live on camp as well, and I go to school with people from a bunch of Middle Eastern countries, but it's fairly Westernized
20:46:43 <Taneb> Apparently for a while my mum went to school in an Italian school in Pakistan
20:46:51 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, wouldn't it be a bit of an issue for any western female to live there though?
20:47:24 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, hm okay, so they can drive cars and so on?
20:47:25 <Phantom__Hoover> did you see what happened to your voxelnatural number page
20:47:39 <Bike> http://25.media.tumblr.com/35f4270b1894273b22f26a2093af5f24/tumblr_mmaimzJYC71r7m1rko1_500.jpg homestuck
20:47:57 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, Still it is rather limiting, a single "camp". Is this a camp of some oil company or such?
20:48:39 <elliott> NihilistDandy: look at the history
20:48:53 <elliott> NihilistDandy: the admin literally re-added it to an "awesome pages" category after someone removed it and then protected it
20:49:17 <Bike> shit, someone call 911
20:49:33 <Bike> ＬＩＴＥＲＡＴＵＲＥ <-- need to find a better way to type in fullwidth
20:49:35 <ThatOtherPerson> One of the ironic things about Saudi culture is that Saudi women probably buy more clothes on average than people in most other places in the world
20:49:40 <Bike> without bothering with setting up a japanese ime or anything
20:49:52 <Bike> or in fact bothering with anything
20:50:00 <Phantom__Hoover> ThatOtherPerson, that is one of those horrific abuses of irony
20:50:00 <NihilistDandy> This and my middle-finger to the gods of Crawl (oh, and that awesome dwarf I was) may be one of my favorite #esoteric moments)
20:50:08 <zzo38> Then there isn't a better way, in that case.
20:50:16 <ThatOtherPerson> My Arabic Culture teacher is Saudi, and I've never seen her wear the same outfit twice.
20:50:27 <Taneb> Phantom__Hoover: you know what's ironic?
20:50:48 <zzo38> I thought of use of Morse code in Dungeons&Dragons game
20:50:51 <Bike> Phantom__Hoover: oh sure but don't get angry at 'literally'
20:51:03 <Vorpal> Taneb, the element tin?
20:51:15 <Vorpal> Taneb, how is that ironic?
20:51:33 <Taneb> How ISN'T it ironic?
20:51:45 <Vorpal> Taneb, it is just a rather useful metal
20:51:45 <Taneb> It's like rain on your wedding day!
20:51:54 <Taneb> Except you don't have to be getting married
20:51:59 <Taneb> And it doesn't have to rain!
20:52:20 <Vorpal> elliott, I don't get what you are talking about.
20:53:04 <Vorpal> Also soldering tin is awesome.
20:53:27 <Vorpal> Would not be anywhere near the level it is without it
20:53:38 <Vorpal> you would have to use wirewrapping or such
20:54:48 <Taneb> kmc: someone in #haskell has just claimed to miss you
20:54:55 <oerjan> <shachaf> im the center of elliott's existence like the devil is the center of christianity's existence?? <-- well the latter fits with dante, at least
20:54:57 <kmc> that happens
20:55:23 <NihilistDandy> I think the most important point is that they kept my terrible formatting which I think was the result of an offhanded joke of the shitty formatting on their wiki
20:56:31 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, good point
20:56:39 <elliott> @tell kmc testimonials <cmccann> I do wish kmc and ddarius were still around in here though :[
20:56:49 <Vorpal> oerjan, are you log reading
20:56:53 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: bid id join kind ping run thx time wn
20:57:04 <lambdabot> parse error (possibly incorrect indentation)
20:57:07 <oerjan> Vorpal: yes, against my better judgement
20:57:27 <Vorpal> oerjan, why do you think it is a bad idea?
20:57:29 <lambdabot> Not in scope: type constructor or class `Taneb'
20:58:00 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, yes, what else would lambdabot be
20:58:13 <Bike> a greek language learning bot
20:58:22 <Taneb> Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download, of course
20:58:41 <Bike> taneb's esolang
20:58:54 <Bike> ALSO did you know unicode spells lambda as lamda, imo fuck unicode
20:58:59 <Taneb> Vorpal: have you never seen Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download?
20:59:18 <oerjan> Vorpal: because it's using up time for other browsing and stuff
20:59:23 <ThatOtherPerson> Taneb: I was so disappointed when the rest of the language didn't fit with the theme of the name
20:59:34 <Vorpal> Taneb, I remember looking at the esolang in question once
20:59:58 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson: the name and the language were actually developed independently
21:00:00 <Bike> ThatOtherPerson: what's... the theme......
21:00:04 <olsner> Bike: apparently in ancient greek it may have been pronounced labda
21:00:04 <lambdabot> elliott said 3m 24s ago: testimonials <cmccann> I do wish kmc and ddarius were still around in here though :[
21:00:12 <kmc> and pi was pronounced pee
21:00:19 <ThatOtherPerson> Bike: Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download
21:00:26 <Bike> yes but fuck ancient greek
21:00:53 <NihilistDandy> Taneb: Should I assume the kerning on your userpage is intentional
21:01:00 <Taneb> NihilistDandy: yes
21:01:28 <Vorpal> NihilistDandy, what kerning?
21:01:40 * oerjan searches for his nick and skips the rest.
21:01:48 <Vorpal> NihilistDandy, I don't see it on User:Taneb on the esolang wiki
21:02:19 <Vorpal> NihilistDandy, don't see any unusual kerning
21:02:20 <Sgeo> letter-spacing: -0.08em
21:02:44 <Vorpal> it looks like m in the font my computer uses
21:02:48 <Sgeo> Nathan van Doo<span style="letter-spacing: -0.1em;">rn</span>
21:03:04 <Bike> Vorpal: http://fuckyeahkeming.com/
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21:03:27 <olsner> oh, now I see that it doesn't actually say doom
21:03:28 <ThatOtherPerson> Bike: The requested website is blocked as it falls under a blocked category.
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21:04:06 <ThatOtherPerson> The old censorship software used to say why stuff was blocked
21:04:11 <Sgeo> Sometimes, if there's just a word on a line, the word will be s p a c e d like that
21:04:18 <Sgeo> Other things do it too
21:04:37 <Bike> ThatOtherPerson: probably because it's on tumblr
21:05:01 <Sgeo> hpaste is blocked at work
21:05:14 <Bike> oh, then... that... beats me!
21:07:06 <Vorpal> <ThatOtherPerson> Bike: The requested website is blocked as it falls under a blocked category. <-- Saudi blockage or what?
21:07:36 <ThatOtherPerson> Vorpal: actually, specific to Saudi Aramco, but Saudi does have their own Great Firewall
21:07:38 <Bike> you really need to get in on this kerning dude this shit is choice
21:08:42 <Vorpal> I'm glad I live in Sweden, where I can get relatively free internet. (I believe there is some DNS blocking of child porn going on though)
21:09:23 <ThatOtherPerson> http://what-if.xkcd.com/imgs/a/43/train_loop_clothoid.png <-- have any of you been to the Burj Khalifa? It is really tall. (understatement)
21:10:05 <Bike> dubai seems like a nice place to go. if you're rich
21:10:19 <NihilistDandy> ThatOtherPerson: What on earth is that what if about?
21:10:42 <tswett> So remind me what my dilemma is, again?
21:10:43 <ThatOtherPerson> "Could a high-speed train run through a vertical loop, like a rollercoaster, with the passengers staying comfortable?"
21:11:03 <tswett> Like, I'm supposedly stranded in Antarctica because neither Australia nor Finland considers me a citizen, even though I've resided in both for many years, right?
21:11:24 <tswett> I was born in Australia and went to Finland for university or whatever.
21:11:33 <kmc> speaking of tall buildings, they finished the Freedom Tower
21:11:48 <olsner> tswett: I mostly remember that it was really complicated
21:12:00 <Phantom__Hoover> tswett, no you went to university in the university of finland-australia
21:12:22 <kmc> it's only 65% as tall as the Burj Khalifa though
21:12:26 <tswett> Ah, right, the Finland–Australia Cosovereign Exclave, located in Asia.
21:12:38 <tswett> ThatOtherPerson: fan fiction.
21:13:04 <kmc> the burj khalifa is surruonded by much much much smaller buildings isn't it
21:13:22 <Bike> oh it's called the 'one world trade center' officially
21:13:25 <Bike> that's way less cheesy
21:13:32 <kmc> yeah they ditched the "freedom tower" name a while back
21:13:37 <kmc> but it's still 1,776 ft tall
21:13:49 <elliott> it's weird how the numbers come before the names
21:13:59 <Bike> elliott: it's like books of the bible
21:14:00 <elliott> they say it's one world trade center but there's actually two!!
21:14:06 <kmc> one canada square
21:14:15 <olsner> it looks very shiny on the pictures
21:14:17 <Bike> elliott: there's like nine...
21:14:24 <kmc> i mainly call it the Freedom Tower because when I lived near the construction site I called it the Freedom Hole
21:14:28 <elliott> there's like at least 7 right
21:14:37 <elliott> i don't know about your america and your buildings!
21:14:42 <Bike> it went up to seven i guess
21:15:04 <kmc> the new 7 WTC opened in 2006
21:15:23 <tswett> Well, you couldn't call it World Trade Center One, because there's only one World Trade Center.
21:15:28 <elliott> imo some buildings are just too big
21:15:34 <kmc> there's a world trade center in boston
21:15:38 <tswett> One World Trade Center is one of the buildings of the one World Trade Center.
21:15:41 <Bike> there's a wtc in portland too
21:15:43 <tswett> kmc: well, that one doesn't count.
21:15:47 <tswett> Bike: well, that one doesn't count, either.
21:15:48 <Bike> it's kind of a common name?
21:15:52 <olsner> there's a world trade center in stockholm too, it's completely unremarkable iirc
21:15:54 <elliott> world trade centre, hexham
21:15:55 <Bike> like.. trade, in the world
21:15:58 <Bike> need centers for it
21:15:58 <kmc> also there's a world financial center down the street from the world trade center
21:16:03 <tswett> olsner: well, that one doesn't count, either! elliott: nor that one!
21:16:19 <tswett> Anyway, I would assume that there's nobody assigning ID numbers to each individual World Trade Cente.r
21:16:21 <Bike> more like a world trade decenter at this point
21:16:39 <Taneb> elliott: I think they're opening that where the Greggs that closed used to be
21:16:52 <tswett> Why do we need a World Trade Center, anyway? Does world trade really need a center?
21:17:02 <Bike> there's a lot of it
21:17:06 <elliott> Taneb: the greggs closed[3~/?????
21:17:09 <Bike> gotta coordinate that shit, do a bit of central planning
21:17:17 <elliott> tswett: it's where the illuminati meet
21:17:24 <Bike> that's why it's ONE WORLD man
21:17:27 <Bike> ONE WORLD ORDER!!!
21:17:27 <Taneb> elliott: the one by the market place
21:17:34 <tswett> Bike: I suppose that makes sense. So this is where all the leaders of the world get together and make world laws.
21:17:45 <elliott> also how long ago was this (can you tell i don't get out much)
21:17:51 <Bike> tswett: not up on politics are you
21:18:00 <Bike> where'd you think they made world laws at, the UN? bull shit
21:18:06 <Taneb> The other Greggs got renevated and now is stupid fancy
21:18:12 <tswett> The decisions of the United Nations Security Council are binding on the entire world.
21:18:16 <tswett> Except for Vatican City and Taiwan.
21:18:26 <Bike> fsvo 'binding'
21:18:36 <Bike> also there are a lot more non-member-states than that.
21:18:55 <ThatOtherPerson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain_World_Trade_Center <-- I've driven past that a million times and I had no idea that it was a World Trade Center
21:19:02 <elliott> can you imagine actually like
21:19:06 <elliott> doing things high up in the wtc towers
21:19:11 <elliott> imo i'd be too scared of heights
21:19:12 <Taneb> For example, The Independent People's Democratic Republic of Hexham
21:19:21 <Bike> probably you wouldn't have a window seat elliott
21:19:35 <elliott> Bike: you can probably feel being that high up!!!
21:19:36 <Bike> you're not really an 'executive type'
21:19:48 <Bike> ...have you never been in a tall building before, like on vacation or somethingi
21:20:03 <Phantom__Hoover> elliott, and i mean there wouldn't be much gravity that high
21:20:27 <elliott> probably the highest up I've been is like... man idek
21:20:39 <elliott> aeroplanes aren't buildings!!!!
21:20:53 <Bike> aeroplanes are you for real
21:21:20 <FireFly> Our WTC is.. disappointing :(
21:21:24 <FireFly> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:World_Trade_Center,_Stockholm.jpg
21:21:28 <Phantom__Hoover> when you're in an aeroplane the only thing keeping gravity off you is wings which don't even flap
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21:21:32 <Bike> FireFly: yeah same
21:21:46 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: they flap just really quickly so you can't see
21:22:03 <Bike> you know they actually have ornithopters now
21:22:15 <Vorpal> FireFly, what does a WTC actually do? I wasn't aware of that it was a "thing" until today. I just thought it was a name of some former buildings in the US.
21:22:31 <tswett> Ah, you see, the wings of a bird flap back and forth.
21:22:38 <tswett> Whereas the wings of an airplane flap *around*.
21:22:50 <FireFly> Vorpal: no clue. The one in Stockholm just hosts a bunch of offices for random companies
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21:22:56 <tswett> So, you know the World Trade Center in New York?
21:22:59 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, right, but what do they do for the world trade
21:23:07 <Bike> capitalism things
21:23:12 <Vorpal> tswett, yes, destroyed in 2001
21:23:14 <tswett> The one that was the target of a terrorist attack a while back?
21:23:16 <Bike> banking, getting money
21:23:25 <tswett> I mean, technically not all of it was destroyed. I think.
21:23:28 <Bike> wearing expensive suits
21:23:46 <tswett> But anyway, were their tenants restricted to things related to world trade?
21:24:00 <Bike> office space was probably expensive
21:24:03 <tswett> Or could, like, just anyone rent out a chunk of the World Trade Center?
21:24:30 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, right...
21:24:46 <Bike> tswett: well there was like, zoning
21:24:57 <Bike> you couldn't open a fish market in the twelfth floor
21:25:07 <Vorpal> tswett, I'm not sure there is much world trade going on yet? You can't trade in worlds afaik.
21:25:13 <elliott> probably the only businesses that could afford being in WTC would be in world trade
21:25:19 <ThatOtherPerson> Vorpal: " The WTCA is an unofficial umbrella trade association that unites corporations and government agencies in international trade"
21:25:26 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, right
21:25:32 <tswett> Wait, the World Trade Center was leased?
21:25:37 <Bike> Initially conceived as a complex dedicated to companies and organizations directly taking part in "world trade", they at first failed to attract the expected clientele. During the early years, various governmental organizations became key tenants of the World Trade Center including the State of New York. It was not until the 1980s that the city's perilous financial state eased, after which an increasing number of private companies—mostly fi
21:25:48 <tswett> Like... its owners leased the entire complex to another company?
21:25:50 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, but what do they actually do to promote the international trade
21:25:53 <Bike> tswett: parts of the complex
21:26:02 <Bike> —mostly financial firms tied to Wall Street—became tenants.
21:26:14 <Bike> During the 1990s, approximately 500 companies had offices in the complex including many financial companies such as Morgan Stanley, Aon Corporation, Salomon Brothers and the Port Authority itself.
21:26:22 <Bike> (Port Authority could be a band name)
21:26:28 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, that do what
21:26:46 <tswett> My favorite imaginary band name at the moment, I think, is Dancer Outside Wall.
21:27:09 <Vorpal> my channel user list is out of sync I think. I just noticed ThatOtherPerson is not in it
21:27:30 <Vorpal> and why does Gregor have voice?
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21:27:37 <tswett> I had a desynced channel user list in another channel today, but ThatOtherPerson is present in mine.
21:27:39 <Bike> what a stupid question
21:27:46 <Taneb> Vorpal: because Gregor is.
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21:29:49 <elliott> Bike: isn't port authority already a band name
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21:31:01 <elliott> googling suggests there is a band called "Port Authority Band"
21:31:04 <Bike> and also an album my marco Polo
21:31:10 <Bike> *by marco polo
21:31:17 <elliott> and also http://portauthority.bandcamp.com/
21:31:50 <Bike> i like the mask
21:32:06 <tswett> "Access to the roof was controlled from the WTC Operations Control Center (OCC) located in the B1 level of 2 WTC." How did they do that?
21:32:14 <tswett> Cameras and remotely operated locks?
21:32:49 <Bike> or you had to go in there and ask for a key?
21:33:20 <NihilistDandy> I doubt "roof of the World Trade Center" and "disgusting gas station bathroom" have the same security policy
21:33:25 <tswett> "Hey Bob, did you get a key from Operations?" "Shit."
21:33:46 <Bike> or it just had a passcode or something
21:33:55 <Vorpal> and we all know it was an inside job, right? ;P
21:34:01 <Bike> NihilistDandy: why? what the heck is on the roof
21:34:08 <Bike> what are you gonna do, punch a lightning rod?
21:34:26 <Vorpal> Bike, communication antennas
21:34:36 <tswett> Huh. The World Trade Center has its own ZIP code.
21:35:26 <NihilistDandy> It's probably just that there's only one elevator up to the top, and it happened to be in that building
21:35:29 <tswett> "By the end of 2006, the number of items sent to 10048 had decreased to around 300 items daily,[6] mostly sent from businesses and organizations that had not yet updated their bulk mailing lists."
21:43:25 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Petit#World_Trade_Center_walk
21:43:40 <kmc> you should all watch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_on_Wire
21:44:13 <elliott> kmc: ok no I don't need panic attacks about that
21:44:34 <elliott> imo you should have some cushioning on the ground in case you fall
21:44:43 <kmc> guy with a trampoline
21:44:55 <Taneb> Wasn't there like a video game about that
21:45:18 <Bike> "Provoked by his taunting behaviour while on the wire, police handcuffed him behind his back and roughly pushed him down a flight of stairs. This he later described as the most dangerous part of the stunt." nice guy
21:46:00 <ThatOtherPerson> So you can say 26 feet and the browser could show it as 8 metres
21:46:06 <olsner> maybe html doesn't need more tags
21:46:17 <Bike> maybe it does olsner, maybe it does
21:46:49 <elliott> The Port Authority allowed Petit to conduct the interviews, which he used as a pretext to make more observations.
21:47:06 <Taneb> Maybe HTML needs all the tags
21:47:33 <kmc> port authority trans-hudson
21:47:46 <olsner> maybe html should allow whatever tags you try to use, and not have so much to say about how they're presented
21:47:59 <impomatic> HTML need more methods to mark up microdata :-)
21:48:03 <Bike> html doesn't say anything about presentation "in" "theory"
21:48:29 <elliott> kmc: fuck he lied down on the fucking wire
21:48:45 <elliott> worst person i hate him jesus
21:48:46 <FreeFull> Once upon a time, there was no CSS
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22:00:51 <Sgeo> Will b and i etc. ever be removed?
22:01:14 <elliott> <b> and <i> were undeprecated
22:01:40 <Bike> someone explained to me once why <b> and <i> didn't constitute presentation but i forgot
22:02:25 <elliott> oh i guess they weren't deprecated in html4 either
22:03:03 <Taneb> <i> is for when you're sort of naming a work
22:03:15 <Bike> NihilistDandy: i think that was involved yeah
22:03:25 <Taneb> Like, "Leonardo DiCaprio was in <i>Inception</i> and <i>Romeo and Juliet</i>"
22:03:58 <NihilistDandy> And equally I suppose <b> is semantically distinct from <strong>, though that case is harder to argue
22:04:00 <elliott> Taneb: it's not just for that
22:06:47 <FireFly> <b> and <i> are now defined differently than <em> and <strong>, in HTML5
22:07:07 <FireFly> http://html5doctor.com/i-b-em-strong-element/
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22:09:05 <Bike> Extended_UNIX_Code_Packed_Format_for_Japanese. terrifying
22:09:32 <ThatOtherPerson> "stylistically offset" <-- isn't that basically presentational?
22:09:56 <Bike> shhhhhhh don't ruin the magic.
22:13:09 <zzo38> You can avoid these problems with HTML by using plain text format, is one thing.
22:14:14 <zzo38> Even when you do use HTML, you can avoid what they keep changing and stuff by using only what is necessary; so, don't use CSS, don't use <VIDEO> unless you need videos for some reason (text is usually better), etc
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22:16:03 <Bike> knuth also uses tex, a notorious bloatware
22:16:27 <kmc> software that has features i want is pragmatic
22:16:32 <kmc> software that has features you want is bloated
22:16:49 <Bike> this is why everybody should use ascii as god intended
22:17:15 <kmc> yeah, if you use arabic or devanagari script, you can just spell out huge letters in ascii art
22:17:27 <Bike> gamefaqs is basically how the internet should be
22:17:27 <zzo38> Or at least, if you do use CSS when it is not needed, don't use it to change things to make it fail to work properly without CSS, if such a thing is possible. Sometimes it might not be.
22:17:34 <Bike> ThatOtherPerson: another black mark on him!
22:17:47 <zzo38> ThatOtherPerson: Knuth made TeX, which I think works better than the modern stuff.
22:18:12 <zzo38> You can use different character encodings when you need, but mainly ASCII should be used when the others aren't needed.
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22:18:43 <Bike> ascii art it is then
22:20:20 <zzo38> Using ASCII art for everything is inefficient; a document mainly written in Arabic should use the Arabic encodings instead.
22:20:38 <Bike> uh multiple encodings? that sounds inefficient!!
22:21:13 <Taneb> zzo38: what if you wanted to switch between Arabic, English, Greek, and Russian
22:22:28 <Bike> Not really, because Solomonic devil summoning symbols aren't in Unicode.
22:22:51 <zzo38> Obviously it depends what programs you are using. With HTML you can use Unicode, but with TeX you can use different fonts instead, which might work better in a few cases. But, yes, Unicode doesn't have everything, is also one problem with its use.
22:23:14 <zzo38> The way it is done in TeX does allow you do just include whatever font you want, and so do some other programs can do this too.
22:23:15 <kmc> it's the universal code
22:23:17 <Bike> Yes, it's a flaw of many major encoding formats that they don't include the Lesser Key of Solomon.
22:23:20 <kmc> it's the universal character set
22:23:24 <zzo38> Unicode is full of dumb stuff though.
22:23:33 <kmc> the world is full of dumb stuff
22:23:43 <Sgeo> zzo38, you might hate Cablevision -- the new site will rely on having a fairly modern browser
22:23:47 <zzo38> At least some things are included in ConScripts, but not everything.
22:23:48 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Buer.gif pretty cool guy
22:23:57 <pikhq> The domain is fairly dumb.
22:24:13 <pikhq> If you want round-trip compatibility you pretty much have to do most of the stupid bits of Unicode.
22:24:23 <Bike> kmc: You know what's not in unicode? That picture. Major flaw, imo.
22:24:38 <kmc> it should be a combining character that can go around any other character
22:24:48 <Bike> ThatOtherPerson: Can you view that picture in your oil compound?
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22:25:08 <Bike> ThatOtherPerson: Can you summon devils in your oil compound?
22:25:28 <ThatOtherPerson> Bike: I've never tried. It would probably be more ethnic to try to summon Djinn.
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22:25:56 <Vorpal> ThatOtherPerson, have you tried that then?
22:26:22 <Bike> I think the Islamic demonology tradition is based on the same sort of stuff the European one is, so it's worth a shot.
22:26:23 <ThatOtherPerson> no, I think you need an old fashioned lamp or gold ring or something
22:26:47 <Bike> IKEA's pretty satanic, yeah.
22:27:33 <zzo38> The programs I write mostly doesn't use Unicode, because I don't like Unicode.
22:27:52 <Bike> Oh, I didn't know djinn were actually canonical.
22:28:33 <ThatOtherPerson> btw: cut your fingernails or evil Djinn come and live in them
22:28:43 <Bike> Whoa whoa whoa, iblis wasn't an angel?
22:28:47 <Bike> Man I know shit about Islam.
22:29:29 <ThatOtherPerson> You're probably confusing your knowledge of Christianity with your knowledge of Islam
22:29:55 <Bike> Well, I know the Islamic story about Satan. I just thought he was an angel.
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22:30:33 <Bike> "A few traditions (hadith), divide jinn into three classes: those who have wings and fly in the air, those who resemble snakes and dogs, and those who travel about ceaselessly." cool
22:30:37 <kmc> ThatOtherPerson: are you going to make the hajj while you're in .sa
22:30:38 <pikhq> At least, in modern-day extracanonical belief. :P
22:30:41 <Vorpal> I love how "loud" ssh is when a host key changes:
22:30:43 <Vorpal> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
22:30:43 <Vorpal> @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @
22:30:43 <Vorpal> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
22:30:43 <Vorpal> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
22:31:36 <pikhq> It's rather surreal that there's a "Muslims ONLY" exit.
22:31:48 <pikhq> To a freaking city no less.
22:31:56 -!- kmc has set topic: May the Firth of Forth be with you! | IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/.
22:31:57 <olsner> Vorpal: it has to be, otherwise you'd just read the "run this command to make it work again" bit
22:31:58 <NihilistDandy> If you're not willing to make life-changing spiritual decisions at the whims of people on IRC, I just don't know what to do with you
22:32:40 <zzo38> Such as, the VGM file format uses UTF-16 to encode the title and so on of the music. My program VGMCK will read UTF-8, but the only thing it ever does with it is converting into UTF-16; it doesn't care which are spaces, which are wide, controls, etc. The rest of VGMCK runs in ASCII.
22:32:50 <Vorpal> olsner, in this case, it was just because I was setting up a live usb distro from that computer though
22:33:05 <Vorpal> and were testing if ssh worked
22:34:00 <Bike> kmc: all by itself it sounds like a jerkcity line
22:34:12 <Vorpal> my god, I have 177 entries in my known_hosts file
22:34:20 <Vorpal> I wasn't aware I sshed to that many hosts.
22:36:43 <pikhq> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Christian_Bypass.jpg
22:40:53 <olsner> oh, the official transliteration is makkah rather than mecca, makkah sounds like swedish for sandwich
22:42:44 <Bike> romanization of arabic is basically terrible, if you haven't noticed
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22:54:07 <Taneb> Phantom__Hoover: important answer
22:54:12 <Phantom__Hoover> which of the 4 things oko claims about you on your userpage is true
22:54:39 <Taneb> First of all, there are 5 things
22:55:02 <Taneb> Second of all, I'm having a crisis, it may be none of them
22:56:25 <Taneb> One of them is still true
22:56:42 <olsner> I think the "only one of these is true" is the one that is true
22:57:07 <Taneb> olsner: no comment
22:58:38 <Taneb> Phantom__Hoover: it's the fourth one
22:58:54 <Taneb> I'm a mild-mannered reporter who gets changed in phone booths
22:59:39 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson: no, I only made one awesome palindrome
22:59:44 <Taneb> "E, esoteric, ire to see"
23:00:14 <Taneb> Took me about 3 hours, too
23:00:14 <ThatOtherPerson> Phantom__Hoover: well there's a number of non-superhumans who do that sort of thing and don't get arrested
23:01:05 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson: it's talking about how the (real) programming language E is esoteric and makes people who look at it angry
23:02:10 <Taneb> Most things I say do.
23:02:34 <Taneb> `quote of chocolate
23:02:37 <HackEgo> 511) <fungot> elliott: mr president, commissioner, i fully accept that description when it comes to human rights. yes, with an average fat content of chocolate, and we are using double standards! we all know that under present legislation and also in relation to standardization bodies. if i do not want. \ 653) <Phantom_Hoover> Just because you can'
23:02:48 <Taneb> `pastequotes Taneb
23:02:54 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.30406
23:03:09 <HackEgo> 946) <Taneb> I'm a story about the prohibition of chocolate
23:03:58 <ThatOtherPerson> The dedicated disciples of Doorn all dance when they divine the door of Doom
23:04:10 <elliott> i had to check that that wasn't a palindrome
23:04:12 <Taneb> That's... not a palindrome
23:04:23 <Taneb> It's rather alliterative, though
23:04:39 <Taneb> elliott: my condolences
23:05:13 <FireFly> I'd like to see a palindrome that contains the word 'chocolate'
23:05:21 <Phantom__Hoover> don't let your mastery of the palindrome define you, Taneb!
23:05:43 <HackEgo> 653) <Phantom_Hoover> Just because you can't design a reliable Monopoly machine out of chocolate doesn't mean nobody else can.
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23:07:15 <Taneb> Da chocolate, et al. OC, oh cad.
23:07:59 <Taneb> FireFly did not say it had to be a particularly good one
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23:08:18 <Jafet> is a palindrome when preceded by its reverse
23:09:12 <Taneb> Trivia: "isn't a palindrome when preceded by its reverse" is a palindrome when preceded by its reverse
23:09:34 <FireFly> That was quite a forced palindrome
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23:09:56 <Taneb> FireFly: I was working with a time limit!
23:10:07 <Taneb> And it's a proof of concept
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23:17:50 <ThatOtherPerson> http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-26/?action=preview&uid=18411
23:21:57 <Phantom___Hoover> it is annoyingly easy to die to a rectangle that spawns right on top of you
23:24:32 <elliott> i like how it's impossible to tell which square is yours
23:25:37 <ThatOtherPerson> This was more mondrian but also very much not a game: http://jsfiddle.net/Mf3VE/1/embedded/result/
23:26:16 <ThatOtherPerson> Phantom___Hoover: there seems to be a bug where you will die randomly at some point if you have died previously...
23:27:07 <ThatOtherPerson> We sorta didn't get it playable until an hour or two before the jam was over
23:29:25 <ThatOtherPerson> But it was both of our's first game, so we (maybe) have hope for becoming better at the whole gamemaking thing
23:32:57 <ThatOtherPerson> When it comes to making awful limericks, that is something I can do.
23:38:13 <ThatOtherPerson> @tell Taneb The dedicated disciples of Doorn / Were once in a pickle quite torn; / Which quality of Nathan / Would cause the greatest sensation? / And vastly his reputation adorn?
23:39:02 <NihilistDandy> I would think it would be like a long o, but maybe the Dutch are weird
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23:46:57 <olsner> is it dutch where double vowels are short?
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23:51:53 <kmc> ThatOtherPerson: nice
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23:56:47 <elliott> kmc: kmc is a good nick btw, you are lucky to have good initials
23:58:45 <FireFly> elliott: have you considered using the nick 'eh'?