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00:24:39 <Sgeo> Maybe... this is a bad idea
00:24:50 <Sgeo> [the idea I came up with and am now implementing]
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00:30:21 <kmc> T SGEO SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA (WAS RE: COCKS)
00:32:25 <Bike> why does comic chat do the t thing anyway
00:32:34 <Bike> instead of just "Sgeo:" like a real client
00:32:58 <Sgeo> I didn't know Comic Chat did a T thing
00:33:29 <Bike> well if it's just jerkcity adding it
00:33:32 <Bike> that would begood too
00:38:52 <kmc> i don't think that's a Comic Chat thing
00:39:31 <kmc> "The syntax comes from an archaic chat system running on APL machines; the T syntax was short for TELL. The use is perpetuated to this day as an inside joke."
00:39:38 <kmc> http://www.jerkcity.com/glossary.html
00:41:32 <Phantom__Hoover> so apparently the ptolemaic model didn't actually have earth at the centre
00:42:13 <Sgeo> I think I'm invisible
00:42:22 <Sgeo> No one in another channel is saying anything to me
00:46:08 <Sgeo> Pretty sure Dojo did what I want to do back in 2006
00:46:14 <Sgeo> Reusing that code though would be dumb
00:47:09 <Bike> Phantom__Hoover: what are you talking about
00:53:07 <kmc> comic chat segfaults when i try to connect to freenobe
00:53:43 <Sgeo> I mean, I already wrote the code in question, or at least theoretically enough for Angular's purposes, but need to figure out how to hook it into Angular
00:59:31 <shachaf> copumpkin: Well, it seems to be fine now.
01:00:44 <Sgeo> Can talking about Javascript code ever really count as proprietary?
01:01:29 <shachaf> Some trolling and some, uh, other things?
01:01:48 <shachaf> Sgeo: Sure. Talking about anything can count as proprietary.
01:01:52 <shachaf> Especially if no one hears you talk.
01:02:24 <shachaf> Bike: should i see _The Rocky Horror Picture Show_ hth
01:02:51 <shachaf> i don't know anything about it except it's famous??
01:03:10 <Bike> http://www.earthnotaglobe.com/library/Flat_Earth_Society_Map.jpg
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01:04:17 <shachaf> This map not be reproduced., Bike.
01:07:56 <Lumpio-> Religious people trying to talk about science like geography (ﾉ´∀｀*)
01:10:15 <kmc> Sgeo: what's special about javascript
01:10:39 <Sgeo> The client usually receives it. Wasn't thinking about node.js
01:11:18 <Sgeo> So anyone could go ahead and take a peek at my code anyway
01:11:19 <Lumpio-> Being sent some code doesn't mean it's not proprietary either.
01:12:00 <Sgeo> No, but it does mean that the code shouldn't really be all 'secrecy of this code is necessary for the security of something or other[
01:12:09 <shachaf> Why is that different from any other situation where you give someone a program?
01:14:27 <Lumpio-> Because obfuscated JavaScript is moderately easier to read than machine code I guess
01:14:43 <shachaf> When you compile Haskell to it?
01:15:00 <shachaf> Or do you consider that not to be JavaScript, I guess?
01:15:23 <shachaf> Anyway JavaScript isn't really very different from other languages.
01:22:09 <Sgeo> shachaf, well, there are a number of programs that are useful to a lot of people that are not given out
01:22:14 <Sgeo> e.g. the backend code to Google Search
01:22:40 <shachaf> I don't think "proprietary" is a word that means anything unless you define it.
01:23:23 <Sgeo> Well, as in, 'am I allowed to talk about it'
01:23:40 <Bike> fight the power, sgeo.
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01:24:02 <shachaf> Should I go to https://sumo.stanford.edu/speakers/2013/may14.pdf ?
01:24:31 <shachaf> imo you say that about everything
01:25:24 <Sgeo> "but shall not include information known prior to Contract Employee's employment with Apex, or readily ascertainable by a person of ordinary skill in the assigned area of technical expertise."
01:28:47 <Phantom__Hoover> Sgeo, so what if, like, you had some field where the 'ordinary skill' was only obtainable by working for a particular company
01:29:42 <Bike> that is vague as hell, imo fuck it
01:30:48 <kmc> obfuscated javascript isn't that much easier to read than, say, JVM or .NET bytecode
01:30:53 <Sgeo> Phantom__Hoover, wouldn't 'ordinary skill' be near 0, for skills that only exist within the company? Although I guess ordinary skill in the general populace of any technical subject is little
01:31:20 <shachaf> regular jvm bytecode is p. easy to read hth
01:31:26 <kmc> also just because you physically give someone source code (even fully commented, unobfuscated source code) doesn't mean you're giving them any legal rights to do stuff with that code
01:31:55 <kmc> for example when Microsoft shares Windows source code with their business partners, it's obviously still "proprietary" and those partners can't pass it on to random third parties
01:31:58 <Sgeo> I didn't want to give legal rights away, I just wanted to talk about it
01:33:33 <kmc> "person of ordinary skill" is a term of art in patent law isn't it
01:34:40 <Bike> is that like "a moron in a hurry"
01:35:40 <pikhq_> Bike: Nah, more like "utterly normal professional"
01:35:41 <Sgeo> eep, I've think I've coded like that before
01:36:13 <pikhq_> Sadly, the patent office tends to be incapable of judging what's actually known by people in the field...
01:36:21 <Sgeo> Oh, the phrase is not about professionals
01:36:42 <pikhq_> Did you know that putting an *algorithm* on a *computer* is novel?
01:37:06 <pikhq_> "I mean really, I thought you were just supposed to bash the things together. You can compute with 'em!"
01:38:12 <Bike> pikhq_: no i mean, "moron in a hurry" is a term of art in trademark law
01:38:27 <Bike> one of my favorite
01:38:42 <Bike> canada switched to "ordinary hurried purchaser" because fuck them
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01:40:01 <kmc> is "moron in a hurry" a term of art
01:40:19 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_moron_in_a_hurry would i lie to you
01:40:29 <Phantom__Hoover> i wish people would stop using 'ad hominem' as a synonym for 'insult'
01:40:56 <Bike> i wish people would stop acting like latin terms for formal fallacies are very relevent in rhetoric
01:41:01 <kmc> i wish people would stop using 'hypocrite' as a synonym for 'trying and failing to live up to your own expectations'
01:41:12 <pikhq_> Yeah, isn't the whole thing with "ad hominem" that it's "insult therefore you're wrong"?
01:41:28 <Bike> formally it's "you suck, therefore your argument sucks"
01:41:35 <Bike> but it's indeed often used as "stop telling me i suck"
01:42:02 <pikhq_> Of course, the converse can hold. There are many cases when one can say "your argument sucks therefore you suck". :P
01:42:38 <shachaf> in soviet russia, a conversation holds you
01:42:59 <Phantom__Hoover> <Bike> but it's indeed often used as "stop telling me i suck"
01:43:15 <Phantom__Hoover> it's also often used as 'you told me i suck so you're wrong'
01:43:33 <Bike> imo that sucks
01:43:40 <Bike> and people who use it probably suck
01:45:30 <shachaf> http://shrughes.com/p/forzans-razor/ hth
01:45:40 <shachaf> brought to you by an esolang person
01:49:57 <elliott> that blog post is obnoxious
01:57:55 <Bike> http://25.media.tumblr.com/bd2be7695de64e8f79ba896fd0d25994/tumblr_mmtgicFHWa1rtih03o2_500.png
01:58:54 <kmc> i'm glad i know how to use Inspect Element to fix awful bgcolor
01:59:01 <kmc> though in this case it probably was not worth the effort
01:59:22 <kmc> "Category: Boring, Serious" welp
02:00:27 <elliott> elliott's razor: if you have to use inspect element to make a site readable then you don't actually care what it has to say in the first place
02:00:45 <elliott> unless it is the onion's stupid fucking paywall thing
02:01:35 <shachaf> do we all get razors now.......
02:02:05 <Bike> bike's razor: bad at shaving
02:02:09 <kmc> quora used to be hackable this way but now they do the stupid blurring server side
02:02:43 <elliott> thankfully you also don't care what quora has to say
02:03:03 <shachaf> kmc: add ?share=1 to the url hth
02:03:12 <kmc> elliott: how else will i learn about startup culture and all the cool things to do in Palo Alto, CA
02:03:30 <kmc> shachaf understands
02:03:35 <Bike> "startup culture" isn't real right
02:04:08 <shachaf> not real as in it doesn't exist or as in it's not culture
02:05:18 <elliott> kmc: there's nothing cool to do in palo alto
02:05:20 <kmc> it's subject to poe's law
02:05:38 <kmc> that's all i can say for sure
02:05:59 <shachaf> kmc: am i "startup cultured"
02:06:40 <Phantom__Hoover> the us had a programme in the 60s where they fired a few hundred million metal needles into orbit
02:06:48 <Bike> oh that was an awesome program
02:06:54 <Bike> i mean except for everything that went wrongn.
02:07:07 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_West_Ford ?
02:07:15 <Bike> And I guess my real question is actually: "There aren't a non-negligible number of people who actually do this startup stuff, right"
02:07:43 <kmc> there are a lot of people working at startups, if that's what you mean
02:07:52 <elliott> Bike: have you seen hacker news
02:08:00 <Bike> not in a while thankfully
02:08:05 <Bike> also i can believe that it's just like twenty people
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02:08:37 <shachaf> it's actually just paul graham and kmc
02:09:00 <Bike> the eternal struggle
02:09:05 <kmc> don't drag me into this
02:10:25 <elliott> it's paul graham and paul graham
02:10:47 <elliott> kmc: are you going to work at mozillasanto
02:11:02 <elliott> imo monsanto and that security corp = the same
02:11:25 <shachaf> i know someone in sf who did some work for monsanto
02:11:34 <Bike> I like that they named themselves like, Academio now
02:11:44 <shachaf> i don't think it was security "but you never know"
02:12:18 <Bike> one can only assume they were thinking of xenophon
02:14:26 <elliott> shachaf: aren't they literally 100% evil tho
02:14:58 <lambdabot> Politics would be a helluva good business if it weren't for the goddamned people.
02:16:17 <Sgeo> The Onion has a paywall thing?
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02:23:23 <kmc> elliott: re mozillasanto: maybe
02:23:56 <elliott> kmc: if you work on the browser can you make it not fucking suck like every other browser does, thanks
02:24:08 <kmc> elliott: good advice
02:24:34 <Sgeo> Do non-IE browsers do any content-sniffing?
02:27:34 <elliott> kmc: also, i forget what rust did lately but it did something bad that involved gross runtime checks, imo get that undone
02:27:53 <elliott> thanks kmc you're the best
02:30:01 <elliott> there might be one or two things better than kmc I don't have 100% certainty in this rea
02:30:18 <elliott> sorry kmc i'll have to get back to you on this one
02:30:20 <Bike> why not ask a trusted venerable source, such as kimc
02:31:20 <elliott> kimc is both kmc and dictator of north korea
02:32:18 <Bike> http://i.imgur.com/Y9CUhUo.jpg reign of kimc
02:33:22 <elliott> kmc: more seriously btw good luck and stuff
02:40:20 <Sgeo> Oh hey kmc got a new job?
02:40:33 <Sgeo> Or is otherwise doing something interesting?
02:51:38 <kmc> Bike: what
02:51:49 <kmc> Sgeo: no but i left the old job and i'm looking for a new one, in san francisco
02:52:54 <Sgeo> So what's this about congratulations? Unless you were still at the old job until now?
02:53:13 <Bike> nobody said congratulations
02:55:29 <kmc> 00:45 < Bike> congratulations, you're god's chosen stoner
02:55:48 <kmc> fungot: what is Sgeo talking about
02:55:49 <fungot> kmc: at the first and will find the attached. as us inventory levels are again at critically on the weather gtc's that may not know.
02:56:14 <Sgeo> I may have misunderstood 'good luck' as being congratulations. Esp. with the Mozilla references.
02:56:52 <elliott> kmc: i did exactly the same lastlog
02:57:03 <kmc> elliott: well i did it with grep so it was faster
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02:57:46 <elliott> btw is grep actually faster than /lastlog congrat
02:57:51 <elliott> because /lastlog congrat takes approx. 0 seconds
02:58:26 <Bike> the grep actually finished before kmc entered the command.
02:58:50 <Bike> mosh's prediction feature
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02:59:38 <Sgeo> And that train of thought leads me to wondering if deletion is idempotent
02:59:56 <Sgeo> It should be iiuc idempotency, but it's a bad idea to make a GET request perform deletion
03:00:01 <elliott> once mosh predicted how i'd react to something before i even read it and typed the reply for me
03:00:40 <kmc> Sgeo: that's why there's a distinction between "safe" and "idempotent"
03:00:40 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertext_Transfer_Protocol#Safe_methods
03:00:51 <Bike> i thought http had a DELETE method anyway.
03:01:05 <kmc> it's idempotent but not safe
03:04:16 * Sgeo decides that it would be good to have a mostly RESTful web server that can if necessary have continuation-based portions
03:04:39 <Sgeo> Web servers for game stuff for example
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03:10:20 <elliott> i should probably sleep or something
03:10:32 <Bike> before you ask: yes, fuck you
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03:11:25 <elliott> it's only 4 am Bike. i just feel shitty!
03:13:50 <elliott> it's not even light outside yet!
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03:21:54 <Sgeo> Do IE10 and IE11 still do content-sniffing?
03:27:17 <elliott> actually being tired is super annoying
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03:34:15 <elliott> look you're scaring the newbies away
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03:46:57 <elliott> Bike: guess who isn't asleep
03:47:56 <Bike> You you shit head
03:48:18 <kmc> `pastelogs shit.?head
03:49:01 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32440
03:49:09 <elliott> imo you're not asleep either
03:49:12 <elliott> and neither is kmc. or HackEgo
03:49:24 <Bike> <ehird> P.S. IAmA shithead <-- see.
03:49:44 <elliott> imo don't give me flashbacks by quoting things i said as ehird
03:49:50 <elliott> painful memories of being awful
03:50:14 <Bike> `pastelogs ehird
03:50:23 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.23943
03:50:34 <Bike> goddamn elliott you're like 90% of the "shithead"edness
03:50:49 <Bike> "i honestly think my language may be worse than malbolge" good start
03:50:58 <elliott> predicting you're like 90% of the bike
03:51:00 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27154
03:51:11 <Bike> http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=how+do+i+use+eclipse+and+workspaces+and+what+is+it+and+also+should+i+have+just+one+per+like+bukkit+plugin+i+am+writing+or+multiple+in+one+or%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F+FUCK+YOU+SHIT+HEAD+HELP+ME
03:51:29 <elliott> did you know eclipse is awful
03:51:40 <elliott> anyway stop reading old logs of me thanks
03:52:02 <Bike> Hm I seem to be taking over your shitheading
03:52:03 <Sgeo> I use Eclipse at work
03:52:07 <Sgeo> Although I don't have to
03:52:20 <kmc> i hear it's p. cool
03:52:43 <Bike> hey i just got an idea to make elliott sleep
03:52:44 <kmc> eclipse has some cool stuff, they have a DSL for implementing your own JVM-based language that gives you Eclipse support for free
03:52:49 <Bike> To be honest, a lot of people holding the "asperger's" badge do it because they "dont fit in lol" and are self-diagnosed
03:52:54 <Bike> i'm aware, having being diagnosed myself years ago :)
03:53:02 <elliott> i wasn't kidding when i asked you to fucking stop
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03:53:20 <Bike> I wasn't kidding when I told you to sleep!
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03:53:59 <kmc> Sgeo: you're writing Java aren't you? when in rome
03:54:28 <Sgeo> I think my boss uses NetBeans, as do some others there
03:54:48 <Sgeo> (Well, used NetBeans when he was writing code, which he doesn't really do anymore)
03:55:11 <Bike> it's weird to see #esoteric talk about esoteric languages
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04:06:00 <Sgeo> Why does Chrome not have "Check for server certificate revocation" checked?
04:06:23 <Bike> It doesn't? I never touch any of my settings and I still get "lol bad cert" all the time
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04:09:41 <Sgeo> http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/google-strips-chrome-of-ssl-revocation-checking/
04:12:00 <Sgeo> http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=317837
04:18:33 <shachaf> Hmm, there's a big ".99¢" sign here.
04:23:05 <Sgeo> Is there a circumstance in which if you trust the sign, and the sign is wrong, you could actually lose money rather than abort the transaction?
04:47:03 <Bike> "I took philosophy in graduate school. It was easy. Computer science/physics has solved all philosophical problems."
04:48:30 <kmc> hackernews.txt?
04:48:43 <Bike> A psychologist, apparently! (a silly one)
04:49:13 <kmc> psychologistnews
04:49:29 <Bike> ecological theory of perception more like dumbological theory of perception
04:51:16 <kmc> welp, i don't know what that is, so
04:52:23 <Bike> the philosophy thing was in response to "we have theoretical and philosophical reasons for that, but that's orthogonal to the issue at hand, let's talk about thermodynamics", don't you love ignored synonyms
04:54:17 <Bike> http://25.media.tumblr.com/a4969c21745552ebfd02b8489bb63ed8/tumblr_mj1lwfAsTZ1s4efhno1_500.jpg
04:54:21 <shachaf> kmc: You should join #haskell-lens, which is really #edwardk.
04:54:24 <shachaf> Not that he's around much lately.
04:55:01 <Bike> "all the fun of #edwardk without an actual edwardk"
04:57:44 <Sgeo> caused #edwardk to exist
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08:35:47 <c0bra_> hi: anyone happen to know a language like this: "..... ..... ..... .!?!! .?... ..... ....." (continued)
08:43:10 <lifthrasiir> c0bra_: does it have a vertical structure?
08:44:34 <c0bra_> 12 packets of five characters each
08:45:17 <lifthrasiir> I think I've seen such language as well, but not sure what name is it
08:46:12 <c0bra_> is there something like a search engine for them? ;)
08:47:19 <fizzie> New esolang wiki module/plugin/extension/whatnot idea? (Not at the moment.)
08:47:59 <fizzie> Sometimes perusing the categories helps.
08:48:20 <lifthrasiir> c0bra_: is it the LNUSP? http://esolangs.org/wiki/LNUSP
08:49:46 <c0bra_> lifthrasiir: no, doesnt look like this. the characters do not match
08:51:03 <c0bra_> hmm ... but thanks for help. any further suggestions are welcome :)
08:53:58 <c0bra_> fizzie: i'm on this...
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09:13:19 <c0bra_> -----> http://www.splitbrain.org/_static/ook/
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09:16:35 <fizzie> I did actually think of Ook!, I just didn't know there was a "short form". (It seems somewhat unofficial.)
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09:20:12 <lifthrasiir> http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/ may be helpful
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14:28:08 <Taneb> Doorbell went so I pretty much flew down three flights of stairs.
14:28:16 <Taneb> Got asked "Is the homeowner in?"
14:28:33 <Taneb> And had to clamber back up all these stairs
14:32:29 <oerjan> time to install a communication system
14:32:29 <lambdabot> oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
14:32:34 <kappabot> You don't have any new messages.
14:32:34 <lambdabot> kmc said 1d 18h 9m 13s ago: oh, there are some cubes with an image on each face, or a logo on every square, and in that case the centers can end up wrong if you solve it the normal way
14:33:44 <kappabot> Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg kappabot @messages' to read it.
14:33:44 <lambdabot> Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
14:34:07 <Taneb> I don't know, do I look like an architect to you?
14:34:47 <oerjan> kmc: but do they have 4 simultaneous 24-hour days in a single rotation?
14:35:09 <oerjan> lambdabot: @ask kmc but do they have 4 simultaneous 24-hour days in a single rotation?
14:39:07 <Jafet> Do not be misled by the evil lies of academia, especially about the whitewashed "Professor Cube".
14:39:37 <Jafet> Don't listen to macademia either, they're just nutty.
14:39:58 <Jafet> Macademic research
14:41:35 * boily describes a nice parabolic motion with an air launched sea creature of non-trivial mass aimed at Jafet's head
14:42:20 <boily> Jafet: that was almondst funny.
14:42:37 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: one plankton.
14:50:23 <oerjan> @ask tswett <tswett> Add a bunch of ss together and boom, there's your function. <-- if you make s something analytic approaching 0 at infinity, and sum ss centered and rescaled on each rational with fast decreasing coefficients, can you get something analytic that works?
14:50:56 <lambdabot> oerjan asked 32s ago: <tswett> Add a bunch of ss together and boom, there's your function. <-- if you make s something analytic approaching 0 at infinity, and sum ss centered and rescaled on each
14:50:56 <kappabot> tswett: You have 1 new message. '/msg kappabot @messages' to read it.
14:50:56 <lambdabot> rational with fast decreasing coefficients, can you get something analytic that works?
14:52:00 <tswett> oerjan: uh, what was the question, again.
14:52:29 <tswett> Whether or not there's a function, analytic everywhere, that has a local maximum at every rational number?
14:52:31 <oerjan> an analytic function with a local maximum at each rational
14:53:10 <tswett> Yeah. So we're wanting s to be something like 1/(x^2+1).
14:53:16 <tswett> Which isn't analytic on the entire complex plane, but who cares.
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14:54:39 <tswett> Or... is the sinc function analytic at 0?
14:55:20 <oerjan> anything better would be a bounded entire function, which means a constant iirc
14:55:38 <oerjan> so entire complex plane is out.
14:55:52 <oerjan> well, for the s's individually.
14:55:53 <tswett> Of course, there are lots of entire functions that are bounded on the real line.
14:56:43 <oerjan> local maximum of analytic functions doesn't make much sense outside the real line either, anyway
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14:58:30 <tswett> So yeah. That seems like it would work.
14:58:56 <tswett> Add -x to the whole thing so that you don't really have to worry about, y'know, stuff.
14:59:35 <tswett> Then each little hill thing is pretty much an infinitely long vector, where one of the components is big and all the others are small.
15:00:51 <tswett> Hmm. You want the others to be *really* small. Like, exponentially small. That'll ensure that your sum of all the little hills converges.
15:01:09 <tswett> I guess pretty much anything smaller than harmonically small will work.
15:01:57 <tswett> So 1/(x^2+1) is small enough. I doubt you'd really need any scaling.
15:02:37 <tswett> Then you just have to prove that you can set all the amplitudes such that the local maxima end up in the right place.
15:02:54 <tswett> You could probably do that through some naive iterating process, and it seems like that would converge.
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17:16:55 <boily> FreeFull: haskell has it all. it is its own co.
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17:57:19 <oerjan> i'm pretty sure i didn't know that guy before.
18:02:46 <Koen_> yeah I think it's just another guy
18:04:49 <boily> he's not known, he's not before, I'm pretty sure we can surmise he's not a guy, nor a the.
18:06:06 <fizzie> I remember a math lecturer mentioning something called "the topologist's sine", but not what it was, except that it was very squiggly (technical term) at zero.
18:07:02 <oerjan> boily: i'm not sure, he _could_ be a holy roman emperor in disguise
18:10:22 <oerjan> fizzie: { (x,sin(1/x)) | 0 < x <= 1 } union ({0} x [-1,1]) is a space i've seen (it's a simple example of a compact metric space that is connected but not path-connected or locally connected)
18:11:17 <oerjan> although i guess that's not a function.
18:11:53 <fizzie> oerjan: That's apparently the extended (blu-ray?) edition, whereas the plain version just has (0,0) in it. In addition to the sine, I mean.
18:12:15 <fizzie> (But it was the same topic.)
18:13:13 <oerjan> x*sin(1/x) is another function that might fit, it's continuous but not differentiable at 0, or is that differentiable but without a continuous derivative...
18:13:36 <oerjan> just add more x's to get more derivatives.
18:14:09 <fizzie> According to Wikipedia, anyway; according to Mathworld, it's sin 1/x for x > 0, and (x,0) for x <= 0. I suppose it depends on the topologist.
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18:16:18 <oerjan> also according to wikipedia, what i said first is the _closed_ topologist's sine curve.
18:18:00 <fizzie> Sorry, right. The extended edition was something sillier.
18:18:18 <fizzie> The closeted topologist's sine.
18:19:55 <oerjan> i assume it's a very sineful object
18:20:51 <oerjan> do i want to know who furgleberg is
18:21:03 <Gregor> fizzie: The closeted topologists's sin.
18:21:13 <oerjan> fugleberg means "bird cliff" in norwegian fwiw
18:21:29 <Gregor> oerjan: lol, surely not for real? Or at least not spelled that way?
18:21:34 <Gregor> Oh, you removed the 'r'
18:22:20 <oerjan> also there are apparently people named that.
18:22:20 <Gregor> (Anyway, it doesn't mean anything, I was just making unhappy sounds)
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18:37:15 <lambdabot> oerjan asked 4h 2m 6s ago: but do they have 4 simultaneous 24-hour days in a single rotation?
18:37:15 <kappabot> You don't have any new messages.
18:37:22 <kmc> oerjan: indeed
18:41:04 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.13287
18:43:08 <Bike> in an alternate universe
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18:57:53 <boily> I'm disturbed. very disturbed. fungot, stop making sense. you're as intelligible as the average human.
18:57:53 <fungot> boily: with the strip, where we get to the equity for that project developers face in securing their next board meeting on the street. 1102 end order form on the enron travel management
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19:03:31 <oerjan> <Guest40257> dead channel ?? <-- it's just resting hth
19:04:52 <oerjan> yay i got through the logs
19:05:21 <HackEgo> smlist: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy
19:06:08 <HackEgo> ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb
19:06:54 <Taneb> ahaha I remember `list
19:07:40 <Taneb> Challenge: get HackEgo on the `list without editing the file
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19:10:55 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/list
19:12:36 <metasepia> CYUL 151900Z 14017G24KT 15SM -SHRA BKN085 OVC120 15/03 A2956 RMK AC7AC1 SLP012 DENSITY ALT 500FT
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19:14:51 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ grep '^..:..:..: <[^>]*> `list' /var/irclogs/_esoteric/201[3-9]-??-??.txt | sed 's/^.*<//;s/>.*//;s/_*$//' | sort -u | tr '\n' ' '
19:15:02 <HackEgo> ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot HackEgo metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb
19:15:19 <kmc> "...many a programmer derives a major part of his professional excitement from not quite understanding what he is doing, from the daring risks he takes and from the struggle to find the bugs he should not have introduced in the first place." -- EWD
19:15:20 <boily> j'en suis impressionné.
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19:29:20 <nooodl__> `run sed -i 's/";$/" | rnooodl;/' bin/?
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19:30:07 <nooodl__> `learn nooodl is a nooodl nooodl nooodl.
19:30:31 <HackEgo> bin/! \ bin/? \ bin/@ \ bin/e \ bin/h \ bin/q \ bin/y \ bin/z
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19:31:02 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/rnooodl
19:31:54 <nooodl__> `run echo 'perl -pe '\''s/nooodl/"n@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge'\' > bin/rnooodl
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19:32:10 <HackEgo> nooodl is a nooodl nooooooodl nooooooodl.
19:32:52 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; \ else echo "$1? ¯\
19:33:29 <HackEgo> Can't open hello!: No such file or directory.
19:33:38 <HackEgo> #!/bihn/bahsh \ ehcho "$@"
19:33:48 <HackEgo> const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451,191509
19:34:01 <HackEgo> ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ... hello??? \ ..
19:34:05 <HackEgo> #!/usr/bin/perl -p \ s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig
19:34:17 <boily> `z HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW!
19:34:18 <HackEgo> HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLOOOOOOW! \ HEEELLLLLO
19:34:57 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/q
19:35:55 <HackEgo> bin/q: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, not stripped
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19:36:54 <HackEgo> bin/?: then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ bin/?: then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl;
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20:15:09 <boily> olsner: what kind of glorous food is it?
20:17:12 <olsner> boily: beef stroganoff
20:18:47 <boily> olsner: eat it like a king. that beef deserves full regalia.
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20:47:15 <mnoqy> that's the same message I already got !
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20:48:52 <HackEgo> noooooodl is a nooooodl nooooooodl nooodl.
20:48:55 <HackEgo> nooooooooodl is a noooooodl nooooodl noooooodl.
20:49:23 <mnoqy> oh no is this another dang special case
20:49:58 <HackEgo> perl -pe 's/nooodl/"n@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge'
20:50:12 <nooodl> output gets piped through this thing
20:50:45 <nooodl> except that output :-(
20:50:57 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/%3F
20:51:18 <Vorpal> err, does anyone know if I can find a stock windows 7 pro (64-bit) iso file somewhere? I have a valid and legit key (from MSDNAA last year), but no cd or iso around it seems...
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21:01:22 <Taneb> I started thinking about category theory
21:01:29 <Taneb> And now I think categories form a category
21:01:43 <oerjan> yes they do. what's the problem?
21:01:51 <mnoqy> theres a category of -small- categories
21:02:07 <Bike> category of fatass categories
21:02:11 <Taneb> Then another part of my head is going "Nathan, of course categories are categories. That's like saying fish are fish"
21:02:11 <mnoqy> maybe you're looking for the 2-category of categories or something like that
21:02:23 <Taneb> And the first part of my brain is going "Shut up, that's not what I mean"
21:02:27 <olsner> `quote category theory
21:02:29 <HackEgo> 288) <ais523> the big issue with category theory is that pretty much everything forms a category \ 890) <coppro> GreyKnight: for instance, you can form a poset category from a bunch of tiles <GreyKnight> oh, that's why somebody was conflating category theory with bathroom interior design the other day :-D \ 999) <olsner> in category theory, categor
21:02:31 <boily> (hm. the wiki isn't up to date, and I'd like to know the range at which the hall of blades can appear, now that the vaults are 5 deep.)
21:02:35 <Bike> the another part of your head kinda sucks imo
21:02:45 <Taneb> I may have unearthed deep-set psychological issues
21:02:58 <Bike> is the issue category theory
21:03:03 <HackEgo> 999) <olsner> in category theory, category theory is a theory in the category of theories
21:03:07 <mnoqy> boily: fyi the wiki is never up to date
21:03:10 <boily> Taneb: you're a regular on this channel. you can't have deep-set psychological issues.
21:03:31 <Phantom_Hoover> Taneb, you can't have deep-set psychological issues, you're so bubbly and cheery all the time
21:03:38 <boily> mnoqy: good evening. I'm beginning to realise that it's in a permanent case of 'hth'.
21:04:04 <mnoqy> you should ask ##crawl about the wiki
21:04:08 <mnoqy> they have "opinions"
21:04:13 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, that's because when I feel like being nasty I pretend to be you
21:04:25 <boily> at least I'm downloading and compiling the brand new incredible shiny wonderful android studio. gotta love the AUR guys.
21:04:48 <boily> mnoqy: nah. they are weird and spontaneous and incoherent and bizarre, and yes, they do have nopinions.
21:11:48 <pikhq_> I have deep-set psychological issues! :P
21:14:05 <pikhq_> Drug-induced sleep issues are *great*.
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21:39:58 <FireFly> That's a lot of happiness in one smiley, mnoqy
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21:58:45 <Taneb> Hey guys, you know how I suck at everything
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21:59:27 <Taneb> I've managed to get my computer not able to use Skype, which was originally a problem in Ubuntu 13.04 but they released a work-around which for me doesn't work
21:59:31 <Taneb> It does around, though
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22:49:19 <owl> archytpal ascention, captured, cultivated and controlled by a future world leader is nearing soon
22:49:37 <HackEgo> owl: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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22:58:54 <FireFly> That guy was *clearly* into the other kind of esoterica
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