00:03:12 <kmc> he printed a toothbrush holder
00:03:20 <kmc> and hookah mouthpieces
00:03:29 <kmc> and some art that probably helped him get laid so I guess that's useful too?
00:10:37 <shachaf> do i eat my second cadbury flake now
00:11:40 <kmc> well there's that experiment where the kids who can't delay gratification on eating candy grow up to be criminals
00:11:44 <kmc> so I say eat it now
00:12:14 <shachaf> but i'm already a criminal
00:12:32 <Phantom_Hoover> Sgeo_, you know what my favourite thing about that video is
00:12:52 <shachaf> you know who's a criminal? people who sticks gums under table
00:13:03 <Phantom_Hoover> the way that the music just kind of blends into this stuttering "brass band slowly dying" drone
00:13:13 <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: What do you say?
00:13:26 <shachaf> What do you think of Flake?
00:14:54 <shachaf> what do you think of mekupelet
00:15:23 <HackEgo> Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman and hatheist.
00:15:41 <Bike> does that mean you worship hats, or
00:15:53 <elliott> Bike: it means he plans hat heists
00:16:07 <shachaf> `run sed -i 's/.$/ and wrong./' wisdom/phantom_hoover
00:17:00 <Bike> what is a hat heist
00:17:06 <shachaf> do you know what a heist is
00:17:07 <elliott> it's where you plan to steal the pope's hat
00:17:14 <Bike> oh that sounds fun.
00:19:03 <kmc> then you become the pope
00:19:13 * Sgeo_ attempts to run AW on EC2
00:20:29 <Bike> is that Advance Wars
00:20:30 <kmc> Sgeo_ be trippin'
00:20:45 <elliott> Bike: it's activeworlds, don't you know anything
00:21:00 <Sgeo_> There is a software rendering option. It sucks, but it exists, so doesn't need z graphics card
00:21:35 <Bike> elliott: don't encourage sgeo to trip
00:21:57 <Sgeo_> Apparently using the default security group is dumb
00:22:08 <Sgeo_> Can't actually connect with it
00:23:31 <Sgeo_> Its internet connection seems slow
00:23:37 <Sgeo_> I cancelled the AW download
00:26:40 <Bike> is this new to you
00:26:59 <shachaf> Bike: i'm not sure Phantom_Hoover has ever tried this tactic
00:27:23 <Phantom_Hoover> who the hell thought it'd be a good idea to have a few pages of template in every language but the one the wiki is written in before any actual page content
00:28:11 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: english is there
00:28:32 <kmc> ceci n'est pas une etc.
00:29:10 <Bike> What are the five Chinese ones? mandarin traditional, mandarin simplified, cantonese, wu...?
00:29:38 <shachaf> kmc: so are you coming to CA next week
00:30:20 <shachaf> none of the places you're interviewing at are in SF are they :'(
00:32:30 <kmc> yeah probably May 29 - June 4 or so
00:32:44 <kmc> still waiting to hear back about travel arrangements
00:33:04 <elliott> Bike: do you know category theory yet
00:33:15 <Bike> do i look like an algebraic topologist!
00:34:20 <kmc> shachaf: I'm interviewing with Mozilla in Mountain View but I would work in SF if I get the job
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00:34:40 <kmc> we should hang out or something
00:34:59 <kmc> my interviews will be May 30 and June 3 (probably) so I will have three days free incl. weekend
00:37:45 <shachaf> It's not like you to make plans about where you'll be a week in advance.
00:41:04 <kmc> maybe i've become boring in my old age
00:41:12 <kmc> lexande is hitchhiking to alaska
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00:48:52 <elliott> kmc: how old are you again
00:49:27 <shachaf> about a year younger than the toy story person
00:50:41 <elliott> kmc: imo that's only kind of old, not really old (fizzie) or practically dead (oerjan)
00:50:47 <kmc> how old are they
00:51:01 <elliott> fizzie is like 30? he's been not quite 30 for approximately forever so I guess he's either 29 or 30 now
00:51:17 <elliott> oerjan is um gosh like 40 or something
00:51:27 <shachaf> whoa dude in 5 years kmc will be 30
00:51:32 <kmc> we had that cobol person in here
00:51:32 <elliott> let's say... 42 and if he's younger than that, god have mercy on my soul
00:51:37 <kmc> i guess he/she was pretty old
00:51:44 <elliott> oh god he's going to kill me
00:52:41 <kmc> meanwhile elliott is 17 or something??
00:53:01 <Bike> a whippersnapper
00:53:20 <elliott> spoiler: i feel old just like everybody else
00:53:21 <kmc> so you were born after I got my first Internet connection
00:53:34 <kmc> you were in kindergarten on 9/11
00:53:47 <elliott> i sort of vaguely remember 9/11
00:54:15 <kmc> i sort of vaguely remember the first gulf war
00:54:16 <elliott> kindergarten is a bit weird, we have "preschool" instead and i think the age-ranges are different? but yeah
00:54:30 <elliott> apologies for being young :P
00:54:33 <kmc> we have preschool in the US too, it's optional and usually private
00:54:36 <kmc> not sure, don't have kids
00:54:39 <kmc> don't want kids
00:55:00 <shachaf> in .il there's preschool and forced-preschool
00:55:10 <shachaf> ok maybe that's not the best translation
00:55:36 <Bike> are you telling me you didn't grow up in a kibbutz
00:55:39 <kmc> i like how "private school" and "public school" are the same thing in the uk
00:55:46 <elliott> despite only vaguely remembering 9/11 itself it's still of course this big important milestone to me because i grew up reading things written by people who were adults when it happened and who it was directly relevant to etc.
00:57:56 <Sgeo_> Are Chromebooks expensive if I just want a laptop to VNC to a gaming computer when I don't feel like sitting at a desk?
00:58:32 <kmc> but make sure there's a satisfactory VNC client for chromeos
00:58:40 <kmc> there are expensive chromebooks but most aren't
00:58:55 <Sgeo_> There's the built-in desktop sharing thing that Chrome has...
01:00:43 <Sgeo_> Who is the Chromebook Pixel targetted for, exactly?
01:01:07 <Sgeo_> Gamers generally want a Windows OS, people who just want to browse the web lightly have cheaper options
01:01:23 <Sgeo_> Programmers probably also want a different OS
01:13:51 <Koen_> elliott: I'll always remember it as my mother telling me something along the lines of "interesting fact of the day: a plane crashed into a skyscrapper apparently" in a casual tone at the end of the day
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01:14:59 <shachaf> I need to go to SF sometime to get my passport extended.
01:16:20 <kmc> i suppose if you're outside of the US then the relevance of 9/11 is less "a terrorist attack happened" and more "America is going to go apeshit and bomb the fuck out of a randomly chosen country"
01:17:12 <Bike> well a couple thousand people died all at once, that doesn't usually happen in the west
01:18:12 <Koen_> I didn't even know it was a terrorist attack!
01:18:25 <Koen_> ok I may not have known what a terrorist was
01:18:59 <elliott> Koen_: is your mother a sociopath :P
01:19:18 <Koen_> no she just didn't realize it was so big
01:19:28 <Bike> and actually multiple thousands of deaths don't happen all at once anywhere really, it takes a while or a lot of space to kill that many people with small arms (what am i going on about)
01:19:52 <Koen_> well that's how I remember it, maybe I was the one who didn't realize what exactly she was saying
01:23:32 <Koen_> and then there was all this "vigipirate" fuss going on
01:24:08 <Koen_> like all kids had to get out of school at the same time, rather than having our parents come get us in a two-hour window
01:24:47 <Koen_> I really didn't understand that, they said it was to make bomber's job more difficult but really how is forcing everyone together at the same time making a bomber's job more difficult?
01:34:41 <Phantom_Hoover> although the only thing i clearly remember was being terrified of my parents being drafted (i was an anxious child)
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01:36:57 <shachaf> hey did you play _The Lost Vikings_
01:43:34 <shachaf> i wasn't talking to you mr Wrongtom_Wronger
01:44:21 <HackEgo> shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends.
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01:50:24 <kmc> you peer'd PH
01:50:43 <Bike> he was just that wrong
01:50:50 <kmc> brittle as celery? crazy as celery?
01:52:32 <shachaf> kmc: http://www.pax.no/index.php?ID=Bok&counter=1103 hth
01:56:00 * Sgeo_ suddenly wonders if there's a difference between Unison.sf2 and Unison2.sf2
01:56:22 <Sgeo_> Yes. Unison.sf2 actually exists.
02:02:59 <kmc> a subtle difference
02:06:25 <Sgeo_> libc-dev-bin : Depends: libc6 (> 2.13~) but 2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4 is installed
02:06:41 <Sgeo_> How do I stop Ubuntu from trying to install new libc6?
02:06:53 <Sgeo_> (That's from apt-get update)
02:08:20 <elliott> i doubt it is from apt-get update
02:09:55 <Sgeo_> apt-get install I mean
02:09:59 <Sgeo_> Just a plain apt-get install
02:11:01 <Sgeo_> GeneralUser has a specialized FluidSynth version, I don't know if that's a good thing
02:15:21 <Sgeo_> Maybe I'll just compile manually
02:15:41 <Bike> do you need an old libc?
02:16:07 <kmc> oh good it's fireworks season again
02:22:01 <shachaf> What's a generalization of "pseudoscientific" when the topic is not scientific?
02:28:52 <Sgeo_> Bike, I don't trust this thing enough to attempt the upgrade
02:29:00 <Sgeo_> Especially since it's still running entirely Maverick afaik
02:29:19 <Bike> maybe you should just get a setup that isn't crazy?
02:30:05 <Bike> cleansing fire
02:34:19 <Sgeo_> Hmmmm.... I suppose I could use S3 for temporary backup....
02:34:30 <Sgeo_> Wait, is S3 the publically visible thing/
02:34:42 <kmc> i think you can have private S3 buckets or whatever the hell
02:34:56 <Sgeo_> Right now I should be eating
02:35:05 <Sgeo_> I was so numbly unfocused at work :(
02:35:09 <Sgeo_> I blame being tired
02:36:19 <mnoqy> have you tried getting more sleep
02:36:32 <Sgeo_> o.O you can't upload a file larger than 5TB to S3 I think.
02:36:40 <hagb4rd2> so u managed to get a job sgeo. happy with it?
02:36:56 <Sgeo_> hagb4rd2, sometimes
02:36:59 <shachaf> "@miuaf according to my sample size of one, Haskell programmers are dysfunctional stalkers who are clearly thinking about raping me"
02:37:07 <shachaf> Something is off about that sort of generalization, don't you think?
02:37:23 <hagb4rd2> sgeo: thats cool i guess.. congrats
02:38:57 <elliott> shachaf: "sample size of one" makes it pretty clear it's not intended to be a generalisation?
02:39:10 <elliott> if someone was intending to generalise from a sample size of one they wouldn't say the sample size was one
02:39:16 <Sgeo_> Website development
02:40:10 <shachaf> Yes. And it's pretty clearly a joke. But I don't think that makes it OK?
02:40:15 <Bike> if someone was intending to generalize from a sample size of one they probably wouldn't do so in a silly message on twitter
02:41:17 <shachaf> (Also it seems kind of rude to say it to kmc. Though I guess he wasn't the one they had in mind.)
02:41:45 <kmc> i don't care
02:42:05 <elliott> i don't know the context but i think you're reading something into that message that isn't there
02:42:09 <Bike> "@miuaf also someone once told me that character strings are implemented as linked lists of integers and my face was like 😱" fantastic use of unicode
02:42:16 <Bike> which... displays in my browser but not on irc.
02:48:07 <kmc> screen doesn't do non-BMP characters
02:48:22 <elliott> i am using urxvt + mosh + dtach and it doesn't show :(
02:48:27 <Bike> it's probably just my term using a different font
02:48:36 <elliott> and my terminal usually does fallbacky font things properly
02:49:09 <Bike> well it's 1F631 FACE_SCREAMING_IN_FEAR if you need to know
02:49:51 <lifthrasiir> is it a common theme that poking fun with Unicode emoticons
02:50:22 <Sgeo_> Honestly, I just want to hear what GeneralUser sounds like, without having to bother Gregor to add it
02:50:35 <Sgeo_> Unless we can add soundfonts or do fluidsynth stuff through HackEgo?
02:50:42 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: fluidsynth: not found
02:54:16 <Sgeo_> ...dammit I don't have cmake installed
02:56:51 <Sgeo_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
02:56:51 <Sgeo_> libc-dev-bin : Depends: libc6 (> 2.13~) but 2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4 is installed
02:56:51 <Sgeo_> libc6 : Depends: libc-bin (= 2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4) but 2.13-0ubuntu13.2 is installed
02:57:00 <pikhq> Have you considered dist-upgrade?
02:57:02 <Sgeo_> ....do I actually have different versions of libc and libc-bin installed?
02:57:08 <Sgeo_> pikhq, what would I upgrade to? Natty?
02:57:18 <Sgeo_> I think something along those lines is what broke everything
02:58:04 <pikhq> dist-upgrade doesn't actually upgrade you to a new version of a distro, it's just able to do a bit more package jiggering to get your system in a consistent state.
02:58:31 <Bike> oh, is that so. darn.
02:59:09 <Sgeo_> pikhq, tells me to try sudo apt-get -f install
02:59:30 <Sgeo_> I may have rejected an attempt to install newer libc at one point in the past
02:59:33 <Sgeo_> Because I was scared of it
02:59:42 <Sgeo_> Could that have broken everything?
02:59:56 <elliott> perhaps aptitude knows how to solve the packages
03:00:13 <Sgeo_> Guess what's not installed?
03:00:47 <Sgeo_> How do I see holds?
03:01:21 <pikhq> Won't show it, but...
03:02:33 <Sgeo_> http://pastie.org/private/tkx9lg2frlpyin24jkiltg
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03:03:47 <pikhq> Which version of Ubuntu are you on?
03:04:43 <coppro> the one that doesn't work
03:05:18 <Bike> why don't you just use a REAL distro like slackware
03:05:28 <kmc> why don't you just use an IMAGINARY distro like @
03:05:38 <Sgeo_> Although I attempted to upgrade it at one point
03:05:45 * kmc wonders if elliott highlights on @
03:05:59 <elliott> kmc: that sounds inconvenient
03:06:01 <pikhq> Sgeo_: ... Y'mean this thing hasn't been updated since 2010?
03:06:05 <elliott> i see basically everything said in #esoteric while i'm around though
03:06:06 <shachaf> 19:58 <elliott> alternative preludes remind me of people writing, say, their own operating system. cute and fun, but irrelevant
03:06:17 <elliott> is this paste things from elsewhere day
03:06:28 <elliott> i never claimed @ is relevant though
03:06:56 <shachaf> you claimed it was the best
03:07:01 <shachaf> i.e. possessing all positive properties
03:07:08 <kmc> also you never claimed to have actually written any of it
03:07:11 <shachaf> surely being the best and relevant is better than being the best and irrelevant
03:07:26 <shachaf> hmm, i should end all my proofs with hth
03:07:26 <Sgeo_> I installed it a while ago, then just kept using the Windows partition until that stopped, and now stuck on obsolete Linux
03:07:44 <elliott> kmc: imo you should help out by writing some of it
03:08:24 <pikhq> Sgeo_: First, edit your sources to point to old-releases.ubuntu.com instead of archive.ubuntu.com
03:09:21 <Sgeo_> deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu maverick main universe restricted multiverse
03:09:43 <pikhq> Arch. Architecure. What is uname -a
03:09:48 <Sgeo_> There are a lot of commented-out references to natty in here
03:09:59 <Sgeo_> Linux sgeo-Satellite-T215D 2.6.35-32-generic #67-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 5 19:35:26 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
03:11:01 <pikhq> Yeah, it looks like you've got a natty libc.
03:11:03 <kmc> wow old-releases.ubuntu.com is in your sources.list
03:11:18 <elliott> kmc: it's almost as if pikhq told him to add it
03:11:28 <Sgeo_> I figured out to add it earlier today
03:12:06 <Sgeo_> How do I unget the natty libc?
03:13:56 <tswett> Sgeo_: I just sent a message to agora-business purporting to destroy your nickname.
03:14:31 <pikhq> Download: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc-bin_2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6-amd64_2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6-dev_2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb
03:14:59 <pikhq> dpkg -i all of those
03:16:58 <pikhq> Oh, you also want: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libn/libnih/libnih1_1.0.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
03:17:34 <pikhq> After forcing those installed you should be in a vaguely consistent state.
03:17:49 <pikhq> Oh, you may also need --force-downgrade
03:18:06 <Sgeo_> All in one command?
03:18:21 <pikhq> It shouldn't make a difference.
03:18:32 <pikhq> But yes, those 4 packages.
03:19:09 <pikhq> Immediately after this, at *least* upgrade all the way up to Precise.
03:19:18 <pikhq> (you want to do this in several steps)_
03:19:54 <kmc> upgrade to debian
03:20:16 <pikhq> I'm operating under the assumption he doesn't want to reinstall.
03:20:19 <Sgeo_> pikhq, any good and safe ways to do this?
03:20:29 <pikhq> If he does, save home and reinstall.
03:20:53 <pikhq> Sgeo_: First, edit your sources.list to refer to natty. apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade.
03:21:06 <Sgeo_> pikhq, old-releases natty?
03:21:08 <pikhq> Repeat for Oneiric, then Precise. (Precise won't be on old-releases)
03:21:15 <Sgeo_> http://pastie.org/private/wpkfwf0fekzh88hn0q2lq
03:21:25 <pikhq> If you wanna be all up-to-date, go to Quantal then Raring.
03:21:58 <pikhq> --force-downgrade before -i
03:22:13 <pikhq> I forgot the libc6-dev-bin
03:23:00 <pikhq> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6-amd64_2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb
03:23:08 <pikhq> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc-dev-bin_2.13-0ubuntu13_i386.deb
03:23:26 <pikhq> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc-dev-bin_2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb
03:23:44 <pikhq> Install that sucker and libc6-dev
03:24:21 <Sgeo_> dpkg: error processing --force-downgrade (--install):
03:24:22 <Sgeo_> cannot access archive: No such file or directory
03:24:31 <pikhq> --force-downgrade goes before --install.
03:24:57 <Sgeo_> I think it's all done
03:25:14 <pikhq> Mmkay. Now apt-get -f install and do those upgrades.
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03:25:23 <pikhq> You *may* stop on Precise.
03:25:47 <pikhq> You might wanna go newer, but Precise is at least still supported.
03:25:48 <Sgeo_> libnih-dbus1 : Depends: libnih1 (= 1.0.3-1ubuntu1) but 1.0.2-1ubuntu2 is installed
03:26:24 <Sgeo_> Erm, I may have attempted to install fluidsynth... but it doesn't seem like fluidsynth attempted to install libnih-dbus1
03:26:29 <pikhq> You cancelled a Natty install halfway through, didn't you?
03:27:07 <pikhq> Two choices. Each time this thing comes up go through http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main and look for the *appropriate* package version for your distro.
03:27:21 <pikhq> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libn/libnih/libnih-dbus1_1.0.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb in this case
03:27:31 <pikhq> Or, switch your sources to Natty and finish that upgrade. Use dist-upgrade.
03:28:19 <Sgeo_> Wait, i386? instead of amd64?
03:28:44 <pikhq> You are not running a 64-bit kernel.
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03:29:32 <kmc> you should fix that someday
03:29:39 <kmc> better performance, better security
03:30:04 <elliott> what kind of security we talkin here
03:30:04 <Sgeo_> sudo apt-get -f install isn't complaining anymore
03:30:34 <Sgeo_> erm, may I install fluidsynth first?
03:30:47 <pikhq> I'd say "no", but it makes no real difference TBH.
03:31:24 <Sgeo_> I don't exactly have the time tonight to start getting on the path to computer peace
03:31:36 <kmc> <div id="llIIlIlIIlI" class="llIll" data-i="llIIlIlIIll" style="padding-top:0px"><div id="llIIlIlIIlI" class="lllII"><span>Current Session</span><span id="llIIlIlIlII" class="lIIIllIIl"></span></div></div>
03:31:41 <pikhq> You are probably going to need to reboot a few times during this process.
03:31:48 <pikhq> There's been a lot of changes between 2.6.35 and 3.8
03:32:42 <kmc> elliott: 64-bit distros tend to have more stuff compiled as position independent code (because the performance cost is a lot lower than 32-bit) which makes them harder to exploit
03:32:51 <Sgeo_> pikhq, how can I thank you enough?
03:33:03 <pikhq> Sgeo_: If we meet in person buy me a beer?
03:33:31 <kmc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features#pie
03:33:45 <kmc> "PIE on x86_64 does not have the same penalties, and will eventually be made the default, but more testing is required" ok so i don't know if it's actually a thing or just a theoretical thing
03:33:52 <elliott> so does anyone know why my browser freezes when i load certain pages (predictably)
03:33:57 <kmc> hacked by chinese
03:33:58 <elliott> maybe something to do with js
03:34:08 <elliott> regardless of number of tabs you shit
03:34:12 <mnoqy> close tabs and disable js
03:34:23 <Sgeo_> Apparently fluidsynth wants to talk to Jack :/
03:34:42 <kmc> itt mnoqy is a shit?
03:35:12 <Bike> i feel so ancient with my i386
03:35:21 <elliott> i've baptised him. mnoqy, officially a Shit for life
03:35:25 <elliott> will go to shit heaven/shit hell
03:35:36 <elliott> Bike: is it actually a 386
03:35:43 <Sgeo_> How to tell what audio driver I use?
03:35:48 <Bike> haha no but that'd be great, it's an Atom
03:36:11 <pikhq> And apparently an old Atom.
03:36:21 <pikhq> Current Atoms are x86_64.
03:36:49 <elliott> anyway kmc's new browser will fix it
03:36:56 <elliott> it's kmc's even though it's actualy mozilla's and he might not even work on it
03:36:57 <pikhq> Probably has something to do with how 8 gigs of RAM is $50 or so.
03:39:31 * kmc imagines using 8 GB of RAM on a 32-bit Atom netbook with PAE
03:40:20 <Bike> yeah this is my custom setup *dusts collar* it's vintage, from '09, but i spiced it up a bit *opens curtain, revealing closet of RAID and external RAM*
03:41:26 <kmc> i should get a new rubik's cube
03:41:34 <pikhq> Did any 32-bit Atoms support PAE?
03:41:47 <elliott> customise the rubik's cube build online
03:42:15 <elliott> get a "premium" model based on LEDs with a shuffle button
03:42:33 <kmc> *starts kickstarter for a pretentious 'minimalist' rubiks cube*
03:42:42 <kmc> actually I do have one that's all black
03:42:45 <elliott> rubik's cube where all the colours are actually the same
03:42:47 <kmc> zen rubik's cube
03:42:53 <kmc> it's p. awesome
03:42:58 <elliott> i'm quitting society, laters
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03:45:01 <tswett> Good luck, have fun, convert and copy?
03:46:38 <kmc> we would have also accepted 'delete current line'
03:47:22 <kmc> or 'don't die'
03:48:02 <pikhq> Apparently all Atoms support PAE
03:49:16 <kmc> yeah you can't call yourself i686 if you don't support the PAE page table format, really
03:49:24 <kmc> and you want it anyway for NX
03:49:34 <kmc> but do they actually support a 36-bit physical address bus
03:49:53 <pikhq> The Pentium Pro didn't do PAE
03:50:07 <kmc> i thought they introduced PAE with the Pentium Pro
03:50:16 <kmc> no google i don't want paella
03:50:34 <kmc> wp says "First implemented in the Intel Pentium Pro in 1995"
03:50:48 <kmc> ah but AMD extended it to 52 bits and added NX
03:50:49 <kmc> much later
03:51:35 <pikhq> One wonders why it was added in 1995.
03:51:46 <pikhq> Surely there wasn't much of a demand.
03:52:20 <kmc> i had this Pentium Pro box from 1995 that was the size of a mini-fridge
03:52:30 <kmc> four CPUs (separate sockets of course), 1 GB of RAM on several mobo-size boards
03:52:50 <kmc> I think Intel gave it to my university as a demo machine
03:53:05 <kmc> (it had Intel branding on the chassis)
03:53:23 <pikhq> And now my cell phone is competitive.
03:53:52 <pikhq> Actually, probably kicks the shit out of it just cause the CPU's clocked a lot faster.
03:53:58 <pikhq> A mere two cores, but eh.
03:54:13 <kmc> also probably has fancy SIMD stuff, better FPU, etc
03:54:37 <pikhq> Definitely a better GPU.
03:54:41 <kmc> a lot more cache
03:54:51 <kmc> more registers
03:55:42 <pikhq> Maybe not a better network link.
03:55:52 <kmc> i don't remember if it had 100 megabit ethernet
03:56:05 <pikhq> Yeah. It's *possible* then but it would've been pricy.
03:56:57 <kmc> of course I didn't take posession of this machine until like 2005, when it was beyond obsolete
03:57:18 <kmc> in fact it wasn't the first SMP machine I owned, although it was the first >2 core machine
03:57:39 <pikhq> I'm currently using my first SMP machine.
03:57:40 <kmc> I built a dual-socket Opteron workstation in 2004 which I was pretty psyched about
03:58:15 <Sgeo_> kmc, I used a 2000 machine up until 2007 or so
03:58:30 <pikhq> Though I'm trying *really hard* to convince myself that no, I don't need to buy a truly fucking insane system.
03:59:04 <kmc> in 2011 i built a 48 core machine with 128 GB of RAM, but that wasn't for me :/
03:59:39 <pikhq> "Linux? Windows? Mac OS? I run 'em all! Every version!"
04:00:09 <kmc> oh yeah and then one of the 16 sticks of RAM went bad and I had to figure out which one
04:00:20 <shachaf> kmc: did you binary search
04:00:23 <Sgeo_> Binary search I assu... dammit
04:00:23 <pikhq> I don't envy you that memtest86 run.
04:00:42 <kmc> shachaf: more or less
04:00:54 <shachaf> Trying out just one stick is like playing the lottery.
04:00:57 <kmc> i didn't run memtest, just ran a kernel compile for a few minutes to see if it crashed
04:00:59 <Sgeo_> I flat out don't recognize it
04:01:03 <pikhq> Oh, yeah. Reminds me. I've got a bad *slot* on my motherboard.
04:01:11 <Sgeo_> Despite clearly having named it in a way that indicates I liked it once
04:01:18 <pikhq> That was fun finding out.
04:01:28 <pikhq> Needless to say, it's empty.
04:01:44 <pikhq> But yeah. Any stick shoved into it will fail, but only in that slot.
04:02:30 <kmc> i hope the stick doesn't fail permanently?
04:02:37 * Sgeo_ is actually consdering making his PC that he's going to build (one of these days) 16GB RAM so he can run both Linux and Windows
04:02:54 <pikhq> It was as though some address lines weren't connecting or something.
04:03:03 <pikhq> Sgeo_: That's only like $75-$100 worth of RAM.
04:03:08 <shachaf> kmc: now that would be a sticky situation!!!!!!!!!!!!
04:03:17 <kmc> pikhq: did you fill up memory with a known pattern to see which ones? :D
04:03:28 <kmc> i wish I had more than 8 GB in this laptop
04:03:31 <kmc> unfortunately, not-upgradable
04:03:39 <pikhq> kmc: I used memtest86.
04:03:51 <kmc> shachaf: indeed
04:03:56 <pikhq> I wish I had more than 2G in this laptop.
04:04:07 <shachaf> today kmc learned how to italics
04:04:07 <pikhq> But then, I got it for free and I use it as a mosh box.
04:04:44 <kmc> i sure did
04:05:03 <kmc> i sure did
04:05:10 <kmc> it shows up underline on my terminal though
04:05:13 <kmc> whats ^O do
04:05:23 <shachaf> turns off all the other things
04:05:34 <Sgeo_> For me it seems to reset the rest of the line, incl. the redness of being hilighted
04:05:50 <kmc> band name: sex daemon
04:06:27 <shachaf> have you ever written a program to generate band names
04:06:32 <HackEgo> 185) <zzo38> Invent the game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly) \ 258) <zzo38> I also do not like that it should be disallow just because of too weird. They haveto make up more name so that not everyone has the same name!!! \ 645) <itidus20> if only alonzo church wo
04:06:46 <shachaf> Professional Octopus of the World
04:07:47 <kmc> the radness of being hilighted
04:08:16 <shachaf> echo $'furry*!video_game\t20' | nc zzo38computer.org 70 | grep '^i\w' | cut -c 2-
04:08:22 <kmc> the unbearable radness of being
04:08:42 <kmc> shachaf: that is like the shadyurl.com of command lines
04:09:31 <kmc> Nearly Impossible Computer Nightmare
04:09:41 <Sgeo_> What is on port 70 of zzo38's computer?
04:09:43 <kmc> i think i have that game it's called linux (burn)
04:09:45 <kmc> Sgeo_: gopher
04:09:55 <Bike> rubber midget fortress
04:09:56 <kmc> Nihilistic Sudoku DX
04:10:12 <kmc> you can change '20' to get more I guess
04:10:14 <Bike> Incomprehensible VHS Tournament
04:10:21 <kmc> Catch the Tank Starring Mickey Mouse
04:10:22 <shachaf> Hmm, curl has gopher support.
04:10:26 <shachaf> Can you port that command line to curl?
04:13:22 <kmc> curl -s gopher://zzo38computer.org/$' furry*!video_game\t100' | grep '^i\w' | cut -c 2-
04:13:25 <kmc> i don't know why the space in the url
04:13:34 <kmc> Error: Category Theory Inferno
04:14:01 <kmc> Scooby Doo and the Circus of the Third Reich
04:15:21 <kmc> Alcoholic Trailer Park Commander
04:15:41 <kmc> Chinese Mushroom Marines
04:17:40 <kmc> Hardcore Bong Strike Force
04:19:13 <kmc> Duke Nukem: Mahjong Rampage
04:22:59 <Bike> wow what the hell is otolaryngology
04:24:14 <shachaf> Heavy Metal Vegetarian in the Dark
04:24:41 <shachaf> Revenge of the Censorship Yoga
04:45:29 <shachaf> 21:44 <AfC> Clint: so, nice to see an OpenPGP implementation. Calling out to gpg{,me} is a pain
04:55:13 <shachaf> 21:55 <cmccann> shachaf: writing in Haskell lets you use type safety to ensure that all the security holes you create a subtle instead of obvious.
04:56:15 <kmc> sounds about right
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05:09:18 <Sgeo_> Ferrari is the Lamborghini of letter writing.
05:10:51 <Sgeo_> http://fox2now.com/2013/05/22/cursive-writing-winner/
05:10:57 <Sgeo_> http://www.fark.com/comments/7762571/Teen-wins-contest-by-producing-blandest-most-sterile-cursive-writing-imaginable
05:12:24 <shachaf> Her right stuff shows that the fountain pen is still a foundational skill needed in modern times.
05:17:14 <kmc> the last time I used cursive for anything other than my signature was probably on one of the college admissions tests where they make you copy out in cursive a paragraph about how you didn't cheat
05:17:52 <shachaf> I copied that paragraph out in non-cursive.
05:18:13 <kmc> i guess this is why i have a college degree and shachaf doesn't?
05:18:39 <shachaf> 1D1AD MUSICAL SYMBOL COMBINING SNAP PIZZICATO [𝆭]
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05:19:14 <shachaf> Hmm, there are some good musical symbols.
05:19:15 <shachaf> 1D1B3 MUSICAL SYMBOL WITH FINGERNAILS [𝆳]
05:19:20 <kmc> i think I remember my SAT scores but fuck if I can remember my ACT score
05:19:32 <pikhq> Wow, she's *literally* writing straight Palmer.
05:19:43 <pikhq> That is the most sterile cursive writing imaginable.
05:19:57 <coppro> although, strictly, this is not actually serendipity
05:19:58 <kmc> straight palmer OGs in da hood
05:20:08 <coppro> because it was not beneficial or happy
05:20:11 <shachaf> I wonder what happens if you write that you promise that you will cheat, rather than that you won't.
05:20:21 <shachaf> Do people read it? Poor people.
05:20:24 <coppro> serendipity is a wonderful word
05:20:33 <pikhq> C'mon, if you're gonna spend that much effort practicing cursive, at least learn something like Spencerian.
05:20:43 <kmc> elian script
05:21:43 <shachaf> kmc: should i get a college degree
05:21:50 <shachaf> would i be a better person :'(
05:22:37 <coppro> do you currently live with your parents?
05:24:14 <coppro> do you know what your strengths and weaknesses are?
05:24:44 * pikhq reaaaaly needs to move out
05:26:03 <pikhq> Such is dropping out of college once.
05:26:27 <kmc> shachaf: hm, trying to remember what I said before
05:26:30 <kmc> must be consistent you know!
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05:30:06 <kmc> well if you're having trouble finding a job without the degree, that would be one reason
05:30:19 <coppro> I had to write a short biography about myself. that was weird
05:30:35 <kmc> job prospects are not the only or even main reason I'm glad I went to college, but I'm not sure if the others translate
05:30:40 <coppro> coppro had to write a short biography about himself
05:30:49 <kmc> like it must be very different starting at 22 (?) rather than 16 - 18
05:30:49 <coppro> reasons I'm happy I went to university:
05:30:58 <coppro> a) I'm at one of the best schools for the areas I enjoy
05:31:13 <pikhq> Being *maybe* halfway through at the age of 23 kinda sucks.
05:31:16 <coppro> b) The people here are pretty generally damn awesome
05:32:01 <coppro> c) I enjoy student politics, or at least the part of it where I get the administration to do things
05:32:17 <coppro> d) As a corollary to c, I have reason to believe I'm pretty employable
05:32:28 <shachaf> kmc: someone told me i should go to graduate school should i do that
05:32:41 <kmc> can you go without undergrad?
05:32:47 <kmc> almost all of the grad students I know hate it
05:32:49 <Bike> if you're a freeeeeak
05:33:03 <coppro> very unlikely you'll get into grad school without at least some undergrad degree
05:33:08 <kmc> there is some selection bias
05:33:11 * pikhq is increasingly considering "fuck it, let's just get a job"
05:33:26 <Bike> it's my understanding that grad studenting is the worst job ever, so of course i'm planning on it
05:33:39 <coppro> pikhq: what program are you in?
05:33:42 <kmc> pikhq: yeah, I expect by age 23 and halfway through college, you pretty much have the social experience of it
05:34:01 <coppro> pikhq: I vote for fuck it
05:34:10 <coppro> experience is more important
05:34:13 <kmc> maybe you can try to get a job without formally dropping out
05:34:22 <kmc> a lot of schools will let you do a leave of absence or whatever
05:34:26 <pikhq> I've been in college since 18. Dropped out once. Been depressed for pretty much of that time.
05:34:38 <kmc> or get an internship and then see
05:34:50 <kmc> do you have a good friend group in college?
05:34:57 <pikhq> coppro: Actually, much of high school too.
05:35:01 <pikhq> kmc: Not *really*.
05:35:07 <coppro> fuck I hate depression
05:35:08 * kmc really misses living with a lot of incredibly smart interesting people, and the serendipitous interactions that would occur because of it
05:35:17 <coppro> (I'm not depressed but I have been quite close to people who have/are)
05:35:19 <pikhq> kmc: I did at my first college.
05:35:23 <pikhq> And I still keep in touch with them.
05:35:38 <pikhq> One of them I'd met online when I was 10 though, so...
05:35:50 <coppro> I can't wait for cumc this year
05:36:54 <pikhq> And it's not like as though I don't have marketable skills. I dare say I know my shit.
05:38:19 * coppro needs to remember to request a letter of reference from the president at some point
05:38:43 <Bike> "hi i'm the guy who's been yelling at you for students for years. plz to recommend"
05:39:07 <Bike> when i was regularly in school the "older" (not really that old) people were my favorites
05:39:21 <Bike> it's nice having someone in your CS program who actually knows how to linux or whatever
05:40:27 <Bike> the cost of having a sixty year old guy in your anthro 101 class is worth it i feel
05:42:09 <kmc> Kids These Days don't know how to linux?
05:42:27 <pikhq> Strange. I've Linuxed for over a decade now.
05:42:37 <shachaf> i've never linuxed is it good
05:42:38 <coppro> I'm not at a decade, but getting there
05:42:53 <Bike> not if they're freshmen who are learning to program, no
05:42:55 <pikhq> And rather well too.
05:43:05 <pikhq> I think I compiled my first kernel when I was 12?
05:43:14 <Bike> plus there's a difference between me (can look at man pages) and you (that)
05:43:52 <coppro> that the student-run servers of the Computer Science Club typically have higher uptime percentage than many university servers
05:46:25 <Bike> i wonder if i should feel inadequate about not learning VAX assembly at age 3 or w/e
05:46:34 <kmc> coppro: yeah it was that way for us too
05:46:48 <pikhq> Eh, I first touched x86 asm when I was like 16.
05:46:49 <kmc> and yeah I think the skill distribution going into intro CS is pretty strongly bimodal
05:46:56 <kmc> which is a real challenge for teaching it
05:46:59 <pikhq> Yeah, it really is.
05:47:28 <Bike> i tried to skip the intro programming class but i fucked up the simple task i was supposed to do to show I could program. i felt really bad about it
05:47:30 <kmc> i took an x86 asm class (real mode!!) when I was 15 or 16
05:47:30 <pikhq> You've got people who either barely know anything about the subject, and people who could teach a decent chunk of the courses.
05:47:51 <Bike> so i guess i was just slightly right of the lower peak
05:48:17 <kmc> and a good chunk of the highly skilled people are... how to put it... poorly socialized
05:48:37 <kmc> which can make things even more unpleasant for the people who don't know as much
05:49:03 <Bike> there was one guy who was homeschooled and... well i shouldn't whine too much
05:49:22 <pikhq> Yeah, you thank god for the guys who showered this week.
05:49:58 <kmc> and profs have little interest in teaching, let alone in the tricky social engineering to get students to play nice together
05:50:02 <Bike> i'm pretty sure he was missing some shots
05:50:33 <kmc> i liked Hacker School's short list of social rules: https://www.hackerschool.com/manual#sub-sec-social-rules
05:50:53 <kmc> i've definitely done all of these things...
05:51:02 <Bike> my favorite prof was someone who was teaching for like the first time ever, was on the fence about believing Turing re: halting, and taught stuff I wasn't really interested in. school is weird
05:51:30 <kmc> some of our intro courses were taught by lecture staff who aren't professors, and they honestly maybe put more care into it
05:51:34 <kmc> although some of the profs were quite good as well
05:51:36 <kmc> but many were not
05:51:48 <Bike> kmc: this is beautiful
05:52:02 <Bike> "well actually" is my least favorite thing after "except"
05:52:37 <Bike> yesterday someone i know was talking about failing a math class and another guy felt the need to correct affect/effect
05:53:19 <pikhq> That effects an uncomfortable situation.
05:53:21 <kmc> we had a math student who was infamous for never showering. eventually the professor complained and he started showering before that one class
05:53:53 <kmc> except actually the prof complained to the RA of the house where he officially lived but never actually set foot
05:54:00 <Bike> pikhq: the first guy said "fuck you not in the mood" and quit. uncomfortableness: destroyed!!
05:54:15 <kmc> (being the sort of person who prefers to pass out on the nearest common area sofa after a 24 hour math binge)
05:54:36 <kmc> so the RA spent about 2 weeks looking for the mysterious phantom smelly maths student
05:55:01 <kmc> actually you can watch a short film about his life here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw8UmlF-Msw made by his u chicago grad student colleagues, who seem to have come to more or less the same impressions that we did in undergrad
05:55:21 <Bike> did he grow up to be erdõs
05:55:27 <Bike> wrong diacritic
05:55:37 <Bike> ő. they look so damn similar.
05:55:54 <kmc> also after showering we would make him write the current date on his leg so we would know
05:56:29 <kmc> oh, huh, õ actually looks like two diagonal lines on my terminal, but that's just lack of resolution in rendering the tilde
05:59:32 <kmc> the incident at 4:31 is apparently based on a true story
06:00:21 <Bike> this is p. fantastic
06:00:58 <Bike> he'd better be doing something cool in that notebook
06:01:50 * pikhq shall probably seek permanent employment this summer, then...
06:01:58 <kmc> whereabouts?
06:02:09 <pikhq> Presently I'm in Colorado Springs, CO.
06:02:40 <pikhq> Though in a life position where I could sanely go *just about* anywhere.
06:05:34 <shachaf> pikhq: imo san francisco hth
06:05:48 <Bike> nice if you google this guy you get a bunch of ridiculous stuff (also an actual paper)
06:11:14 <kmc> one time he was walking across campus to do laundry, carrying a big bag of awful smelling clothes, and decided to stop by the library to take four consecutive five-hour math exams
06:11:29 <kmc> stayed in the library past closing time, was woken up by the cleaning staff the next morning who were very alarmed
06:12:17 <kmc> they were concerned because he'd been making 'satanic drawings' on his papers and also the walls (these were actually topological diagrams)
06:12:21 <pikhq> I've also pretty solidly determined that, fuck what my family says, I'm moving in with my girlfriend. So.
06:12:22 <Bike> i take it he had "a reputation"
06:13:16 <kmc> pikhq: would the two of you move together, if you got a job elsewhere?
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06:13:37 <pikhq> kmc: Pretty sure that's the case.
06:13:56 <pikhq> Particularly seeing as she's currently out of work and looking to move. :P
06:14:17 <shachaf> to san francisco "the place to be"
06:14:22 <pikhq> (and we don't currently live in the same *state*, so...)
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06:14:32 <kmc> it is indeed the place to be
06:14:34 <kmc> but hella expensive
06:14:54 * Bike reflects on being in more than one irc channel with a "place to be" that doesn't actually have most people from the channel in it
06:15:06 <kmc> pretty soon SF will be 100% either software jerkoffs like myself or homeless crack addicts
06:15:09 <kmc> nobody else
06:15:18 <kmc> 'awesome society imo'
06:15:23 <shachaf> Bike: The place to be is wherever I am. hth
06:15:26 <Bike> you need to pioneer homeless crack software addict
06:15:29 <shachaf> That's the actual definition.
06:16:02 <pikhq> Bike: Sounds similar to Erdős, coder version.
06:16:02 <kmc> Bike: what are the places to be of the other IRC channels?
06:16:11 <kmc> gothenburg?
06:16:27 <kmc> Portland OR?
06:16:30 <Bike> the oregon one yeah
06:16:44 <Bike> i don't know anybody who lives in maine
06:17:05 <kmc> (Portland ME is pretty insignificant on a national scale, but is near Boston so comes up fairly often)
06:17:27 <Bike> i live just north of it and we've met to see anime in theaters and dick around at Powell's, occasionally
06:17:36 <kmc> also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZt-pOc3moc
06:17:57 <shachaf> powell's is literally the best thing?
06:18:05 <Bike> i should go see if they've gotten any Gibson
06:18:10 <kmc> and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPKe9OfWs-M
06:18:24 <Bike> except i don't have any money so i'd have to like steal it, except that if you steal from powell's you're struck by lightning
06:18:31 <kmc> that seems correct
06:18:57 <shachaf> don't steal from powell's Bike :'(
06:19:09 <shachaf> better to steal candy from babies or something
06:19:15 <shachaf> candy is unhealthy for them anyway
06:19:17 <Bike> yeah this is basically portland right here
06:20:12 <Bike> "I gave up clowning years ago!" "Well in Portland, you don't have to."
06:23:01 <myname> i hyperljnk all the time! i'd like to confirm that hyperlinking is in no way harmful to your health!
06:24:27 <pikhq> Hyperlinking is most beneficial to health.
06:25:00 <pikhq> Evidence: BBSes are dead.
06:25:17 <pikhq> Can't explain that, atheists.
06:27:57 <kmc> Bike: it's from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portlandia_(TV_series)
06:28:16 <Bike> that show is painful to watch (not from inaccuracy)
06:29:40 <Bike> a friend who flew in from chicago was like "how do you have so many rug stores"
06:30:10 <Bike> we were eating at a vietnamese place and there were multiple rug stores visible from the window
06:30:21 <kmc> was it in the rug district
06:30:43 <Bike> "what the hell is a design store and how do you have more than three of them"
06:31:21 <kmc> i like the lighting store district in Manhattan
06:31:25 <kmc> 'very bright'
06:31:31 <shachaf> do they sell lightning rods
06:31:45 <kmc> it's near the restaurant supply store district
06:31:49 <shachaf> did you read the story by mark twain
06:33:02 <shachaf> it's a good story and it's short and you should read it if you haven't
06:33:26 <shachaf> http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=TwaPoli.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=1&division=div1
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06:34:50 <Bike> seething political economy ideas.
06:55:38 <pikhq> There's something surreal about knowing you can actually run a web server from an Apple II.
07:02:39 <pikhq> Of course, a minimal web server is really fairly simple.
07:03:16 <pikhq> If you don't mind being hilariously stupid and only hosting a single file, "nc -l -p 80 -c 'cat foo.html'" will work.
07:12:31 <pikhq> I... could write a Brainfuck web server.
07:12:32 <shachaf> kmc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxCKc4v9nwA#t=4m35s
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13:32:57 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8629
13:44:28 <Phantom_Hoover> meanwhile: humble bundle continues to sell out, abandons 'bundle' aspect of operation
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14:16:13 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: 'tis sad.
14:16:39 <Phantom_Hoover> i guess it's not quite as bad as the THQ Desperation Bundle
14:17:38 <boily> the what? I'm trying to forget that horrendous mistake.
14:18:07 <Phantom_Hoover> it was a horrendous mistake that let me get saints row the third for like 5 pounds
14:18:40 <boily> (I'm feeling vitriolic today. my humours are being imbalanced by Montréal's drinking water problem.)
14:22:58 <boily> they're fine, I think, except for enjoying salmiakki.
14:23:14 <boily> I thinkg my opinion will be fixed once I have smelled an open can of surströmming.
14:50:49 <boily> why yes, yes I do suck.
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16:18:21 <Gregor> <Phantom_Hoover> meanwhile: humble bundle continues to sell out, abandons 'bundle' aspect of operation // Soooo, with no Indie, and no Bundle, is it just Humble now?
16:18:49 <Phantom_Hoover> and only on the technicality that 'humble' is too subjective to be demonstrably inaccurate
16:19:40 <Gregor> But calling them ε just doesn't have the same ring.
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16:42:12 <nooodl> imo "epsilon" is a cool name for anything
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17:37:40 <kmc> what's wrong with Montréal's drinking water?
17:37:59 <Gregor> Alcohol content too low.
17:39:23 <boily> kmc: too much small live stuff floating around. http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/water-in-most-of-montreal-unsafe-to-drink-1.1291826
17:39:29 <boily> Gregor: if only it was just that...
17:40:23 <Gregor> Ironically, alcohol would solve that neatly.
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17:47:19 <Gregor> <Phantom_Hoover> i have an uncle who lives in a bog // Scottish, ladies and gentlemen. Scottish.
17:48:18 <Gregor> Celtic, ladies and gentlemen. Celtic.
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20:32:00 <Taneb> I need something to doooooo
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20:33:20 <Taneb> I assume you mean the canyon in Arizona
20:33:30 <Taneb> Wow, it's beautiful
20:33:41 <Taneb> This has been really enlightening
20:34:34 <shachaf> Taneb: get elliott to give you your mekupelet
20:34:42 <boily> Taneb: you can take a peek at what I've been haskelling lately: http://hpaste.org/88426
20:34:50 <metasepia> Mekupelet () (English name: Chocolate Log) is a bar of thinly folded milk chocolate produced in Israel since 1935 by 'Elite' now a subdivision of the Strauss Group.
20:35:28 <boily> thorn c-cedilla o-tilde a-diaeresis u-diaeresis e-circumflex. I knew hebrew was hard to read but damn.
20:36:25 <shachaf> boily: your bot is racist against unicode
20:36:29 <elliott> boily: Empty `mappend` y is undefined
20:36:38 <Taneb> boily, I think your Tree type is a monad
20:36:48 <shachaf> boily isn't compiling with -Wall?
20:36:49 <boily> shachaf: my bot is gentle and good.
20:37:05 <shachaf> boily: plz add -Wall to your command line hth
20:37:06 <elliott> boily: as in you don't define it.
20:37:10 <elliott> as in you violate the laws.
20:37:37 <shachaf> uh oh the monoid police is going to get boily
20:37:45 <shachaf> why did you violate the laws boily
20:37:50 <shachaf> it would have been so easy not to
20:37:51 <kmc> this is what you get when you mess with us
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20:38:07 <boily> shachaf: don't care. they can't be more annoying than the SPVM.
20:38:52 <boily> aaaargh. why must I be -Walling... it was all good and pure before that...
20:39:03 <boily> now I'm stuck with the harsh reality of multiple warnings.
20:39:14 <Taneb> boily, Tree is definitely a Functor, and my intuition is that it goes all the way to MonadPlus, but I could be wrong
20:39:21 <shachaf> boily: Support Pizza Vector Machine?
20:39:26 <Taneb> Prefix is a Bifunctor
20:40:00 <Taneb> @unmtl WriterT [a] [] sym
20:40:18 <Taneb> Prefix is hence a monadplus
20:40:36 <Taneb> For some interpretations of it
20:40:41 <Taneb> Perhaps not the one you want
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20:42:33 <boily> Taneb: that is most definitely interesting. wanting it is irrelevant, I'm just curious how the instances will play out.
20:43:02 <boily> shachaf: Société de Police de la Ville de Montréal, but you were close.
20:43:43 <shachaf> boily: I thought you were Belgian.
20:43:58 <HackEgo> boily is Canadian or something. We are not sure about Canada's existence.
20:44:12 <boily> shachaf: I'm definitely unconfirmed as Canadian.
20:44:33 <boily> I think Koen_ is belgian, iirc.
20:45:00 <shachaf> Who's Belgian in here, then?
20:45:10 <kmc> there's a town near LA called La Cañada
20:45:54 <boily> elliott: now passes -Wall: http://hpaste.org/88426
20:46:00 <kmc> most notable as the location of JPL
20:49:03 <boily> Taneb: I had an applicative instance some days ago, even a traversable one. they were useless, so I chopped them out.
20:49:57 <Taneb> Traversable is useful if you're also using lens
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20:51:00 * boily shudders at the thought
20:51:47 <Taneb> At least three lens contributors are in this channel right now
20:51:51 <Taneb> Even in this conversation
20:53:07 <Taneb> When did that happen?
20:53:27 <boily> where we at now? what's the haskell zeitgeist? we have conduits, lenses, comonads, all variations on functors, competing web frameworks...
20:53:52 <Taneb> boily, there's conduits, and there's pipes
20:54:01 <Taneb> And then there's half a dozen more lesser used ones
20:54:10 <coppro> Taneb: you should join ##CanadaPolitics
20:54:37 <boily> I'm feeling suicidal. let's join...
20:54:42 <shachaf> 13:32 <Taneb> I need something to doooooo
20:55:35 <boily> I'm... uhm... it feels... strange?
20:55:42 <Taneb> I'm gonna establish an elaborate lie
20:55:46 <boily> coppro, you are evil.
20:55:59 <boily> Taneb: I'd like to see that.
20:57:17 <shachaf> Taneb..............................................................
20:57:34 <Taneb> Well, if I said I was Canadian they would catch me out
20:57:43 <boily> Taneb: non mais tsé, chais pas, t'aurais pu te forcer un peu, non mais...
20:58:15 <Taneb> I shall instead pretend to be Nebraskan!
20:58:23 <boily> who is this channel current authority figure to pander to? I'd like to whack Taneb with great (but polite) force.
20:58:35 <boily> I may leave some blood, but in a manner to be easily cleaned.
20:58:53 <Taneb> I believe you want oerjan
20:59:35 <boily> well, it'll happen tomorrow. my day is done.
20:59:45 <boily> can someone lightly smack Taneb in my absence?
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21:01:03 <Taneb> @ask oerjan boily wants someone to lightly smack me. I believe you are the person to ask?
21:01:34 <shachaf> oerjan: hello from the distant past
21:04:01 <coppro> Taneb: you *are* canadian, right?
21:04:26 <coppro> for some reason I thought you was
21:04:36 <HackEgo> Hexham is a European town. There are nine people in Hexham, and at least two of them are in this channel. Taneb looks after the ham.
21:05:10 <Taneb> `the hexham coincidence
21:05:11 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: the: not found
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21:06:06 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, help
21:06:16 <Taneb> My already fractured identity has been fractured further
21:06:45 <Taneb> I'm constructing a detailed backstory for essentially almost trolling ##CanadaPolitics
21:10:18 <Taneb> The identity is: a half-english Nebraskan who is writing a big essay-type thing about the domestic politics of various countries
21:10:41 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover knows all about faking identities for other channels
21:11:28 <shachaf> didn't you learn/teach anything when you were an acting student/teacher
21:11:39 <Taneb> shachaf, you should see the identity I've carefully constructed for one of my Tumblr blogs
21:12:03 <Taneb> It's some guy from Edinburgh's new town who now goes to Warwick university and who really doesn't like brainfuck derivatives
21:20:06 <kmc> does hexham have a new town
21:20:38 <Taneb> shachaf, I would totes move there
21:21:09 <kmc> stari grad hexham
21:21:12 <Taneb> I mean, there's the gaol and the abbey and the moot hall
21:21:32 <kmc> a gaol and an abbey, what more do you need
21:21:34 <Taneb> elliott, they're building something new over the road from me
21:21:43 <Taneb> kmc, the abbey isn't actually an abbey
21:21:51 <Taneb> And the gaol isn't actually a gaol
21:21:59 <kmc> well that clears things up
21:22:07 <Taneb> They're "just a big church" and a history museum respectively
21:22:27 <elliott> the famous hexham just a big church
21:23:16 <Taneb> coppro, ##CanadaPolitics is so.... friendly
21:23:20 <Taneb> it gives me the shivers
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22:20:44 <Koen_> @tell boily I'm French thank you very much!
22:37:33 <kmc> http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18olmrbegl21qjpg/k-bigpic.jpg
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23:37:07 <Sgeo_> Raspberry Pi is switching to Wayland
23:38:32 <kmc> what do you mean by that? is there one official distribution for rpi?
23:38:35 <kmc> i thought there were a number of them
23:40:53 <pikhq> Yeah, I thought that there wasn't a single official distro.
23:41:28 <copumpkin> poor teddy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdYaTa_lOf4
23:41:36 <pikhq> I mean, it's not like it comes with an SD card or anything.
23:41:54 <kmc> kind of odd since it's supposed to be an educational tool
23:42:40 <pikhq> Similar to the ZX Spectrum or the BBC Micro, no?
23:42:49 <kmc> didn't those ship with BASIC interpreters at least?
23:43:04 <pikhq> So did the IBM PC. :)
23:44:42 <kmc> well I think hardware is probably the 3rd most important problem in educational tech, after #2 "software" and #1 "everything else"
23:44:56 <kmc> but I guess it's a fair strategy to create the hardware and expect others to do the software
23:45:35 <kmc> definitely the RPi is a cool product even if it's not an educational tool per se
23:45:56 <Lumpio-> I still haven't thought of a use for mine.
23:47:21 <kmc> OLPC put at least as much effort into software as hardware
23:47:45 <kmc> they had a lot of cool ideas about how kids can share what they create and can gradually learn how to contribute to development
23:47:55 <kmc> every app has a "edit source" button basically
23:48:01 <kmc> Lumpio-: uh, Cambridge MA?
23:48:26 <kmc> they still exist, I don't know why everyone thinks they died years ago
23:48:36 <kmc> they failed to totally achieve some very lofty goals
23:48:47 <kmc> but they have shipped millions of their laptops to children in dozens of countries
23:49:08 <Lumpio-> Did it magically improve their quality of life or did they figure out how to get facebook on it
23:51:45 <kmc> here's one study saying it's not that effective http://blogs.worldbank.org/impactevaluations/one-laptop-per-child-is-not-improving-reading-or-math-but-are-we-learning-enough-from-these-evaluati
23:51:49 <kmc> i don't know really