00:00:14 <shachaf> mnoqy: are you a prolog interpreter
00:00:26 <Fiora> but wouldn't prolog say "no"?
00:00:37 <shachaf> Why would Prolog say "no"?
00:00:43 <Fiora> because like, it always says "No."
00:00:45 <HackEgo> 451) <oerjan> sllide: @ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour
00:00:51 <shachaf> Uh, it usually says "yes".
00:00:53 <Fiora> or it gives a list of results. right?
00:01:01 <Fiora> or am I remembering that class wrong ._.
00:01:04 <ion> ITYM vapoure. FTFY, HTH.
00:01:27 <nooodl_> was it the one that was gonna have a new name once and then elliott'd replace @ by that in the entire logs
00:01:53 <ion> Its new name should be the full contents of the logs.
00:02:46 <nooodl_> oh shit i was going to bed
00:02:49 <Phantom__Hoover> (i loved learning prolog, but this may be because i did so when i was in that infamously terrible int 2 computing class)
00:02:59 <ion> <nooodl_> oh i was going to shit bed
00:03:23 <ion> phantom_hoover: Is it so easy?
00:03:38 <shachaf> ion: Aren't you tired of the monoids/easy thing?
00:04:21 <Phantom__Hoover> as i recall the greatest part of the prolog we did in class was getting the shitty mac application we were using to run
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00:05:32 <ion> Was the int 2 computing class all about non-maskable interrupts?
00:06:38 <ion> shachaf: Aren’t you tired of the “aren’t you tired of the monoids/easy thing” thing?
00:07:09 <elliott> does prolog ever actually say yes
00:07:15 <shachaf> ion: Aren't you tired of the “unicode quotes” thing?
00:07:18 <elliott> oh maybe if you query a fact with no free variables?
00:07:29 <ion> shachaf: “very”
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00:08:27 <ion> Sounds pleasant.
00:09:03 <Fiora> I really don't remember much, I just remember a lot of people in the class made "prolog says no" jokes constantly
00:09:11 <elliott> shachaf: that soric design resembles my IRC client design
00:09:16 <elliott> except I guess mine is more detailed
00:09:24 <elliott> but probably soric has more than the 0 SLOC I have
00:09:42 <shachaf> but you both stopped because writing an irc client is crazy?
00:09:45 <Phantom__Hoover> Fiora, was this before little britain and hence the inevitable 'computer says no' jokes
00:09:47 <ion> elliott: Sounds like your code is commented exceptionally well.
00:09:56 <shachaf> 'computer says no' jokes are bad
00:10:01 <ion> shachaf: no u
00:10:18 <ion> fiora: sudo watch it
00:10:50 * Fiora [sudo] password for fiora:
00:11:14 <elliott> what was that sudo exploit recently
00:11:24 <elliott> and can it be carried out over irc
00:11:28 * Fiora [sudo] password for fiora:
00:11:42 <ion> fiora: You should turn sudo insults on.
00:12:00 <ion> I asked the Ubuntu guys to do that by default and they said no. :-(
00:12:02 <lambdabot> http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug
00:12:22 <mnoqy> sudo insults you when you get the password wrong
00:12:29 <elliott> lambdabot has the same feature
00:12:31 <lambdabot> Source not found. Are you on drugs?
00:12:33 <shachaf> lambdabot does the same thing with the same insults
00:12:46 <elliott> hmm is sudo 1.7.4 vulnerable
00:12:48 <elliott> i bet it is and it's what i have
00:13:12 <oerjan> <elliott> does prolog ever actually say yes <-- maybe if you have a query with no variables?
00:13:19 <Fiora> shachaf: um... I'm not sure, but hugs are nice
00:13:22 <mnoqy> clearly just use su. clearly just use root. clearly.......
00:13:33 <shachaf> Fiora: did you know kmc is moving to san francisco
00:13:34 <oerjan> <elliott> oh maybe if you query a fact with no free variables? <-- hey stop that
00:13:38 <shachaf> Fiora: you should come too
00:13:47 <shachaf> i hugged kmc the other day and it was good
00:15:39 <mnoqy> im not a hugs guy, but why would you say that
00:16:06 <elliott> hm I vaguely recall the biggest problem with my IRC client design was timestamps in declarations from the client
00:16:10 <Sgeo> I assume Phantom__Hoover prefers GHCi
00:16:22 <elliott> in particular you could obligate the server to send a message in the past
00:16:33 <elliott> and would likely do so given any kind of network lag
00:16:42 <Fiora> closed timelike IRC curves?
00:17:37 <elliott> admittedly, the fact that my design allows for time travel probably should have made me more interested in implementing it rather than less
00:18:18 <Fiora> now you just have to use it to implement a PSPACE-capable computer XD
00:18:27 <Phantom__Hoover> http://edisontechcenter.org/tesladebunked.html it makes me inordinately pleased that someone is standing up for edison
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00:19:50 <Bike> i love debating the merits of 19th century nerds (no i don't)
00:20:33 <elliott> i love Bike (no i don't) <-- another sick burn
00:20:34 <Phantom__Hoover> eh, it's a microcosm of bigger problems in the public understanding of science
00:20:40 <shachaf> are you coming to our hug party in san francisco next month
00:20:50 <oerjan> i burn bikes (no i don't)
00:21:15 <shachaf> the joke is that i don't actually hate Bike
00:21:30 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: this doesn't really seem to stand up for edison so much as it puts down tesla
00:21:33 <oerjan> thx for explaining the joke tdh
00:21:39 <elliott> like the first pro-edison statement seems to be "he killed an elephant but they all did back then"
00:22:16 <oerjan> shachaf: throw off the chains of negation
00:23:28 <Sgeo> Phantom__Hoover, I misread pleased as pissed
00:23:40 <shachaf> oerjan: did you see sel.html in firefox
00:24:39 <mnoqy> Sgeo: sounds like a thing that could happen, possibly
00:26:01 <elliott> "This definition means roughly that in order to obtain isinhab A, we start from A, we add paths between all pairs of elements of A, then paths between all pairs of the elements we just added, and so on transfinitely until it stabilizes, and then what we get is exactly isinhab A."
00:26:11 <elliott> update: homotopy type theory still "wack"
00:29:53 <Bike> more like homotopy WACK theory
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00:42:24 <ion> All at once, he felt a blinding jolt of pain shoot through his right arm. At first, he thought he pulled a muscle, but looking down, he quickly realized that the situation was much worse: "My wrist was completely snapped backwards," he says, "with my palm facing up in the air. I turned pale white."
00:42:26 <ion> While Portnoy continued to play, his drum tech immediately snapped the injured wrist back into place and shoved the drummer's arm into a bucket of ice. "I finished the song Rick Allen-style, just playing one handed," he says.
00:42:28 <ion> http://www.musicradar.com/news/drums/mike-portnoy-my-best-and-worst-gigs-ever-575982
00:43:23 <Bike> i assume that's a "best" gig
00:54:13 <Fiora> Bike: http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/img/stereoimages/movies/transit_label_large.mov I'd say the sun is cool but well it's actually pretty hot
00:54:23 <Fiora> (a transit of the moon in front of the sun)
00:54:33 <Fiora> it's really cool how like, the cosmic rays show up on the video too
00:55:20 <Bike> what are my tax dollars going to if not teaching you how to put things on youtube, nasa!
00:56:48 <Fiora> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lovejoy-hi1a_srem_dec12_14.gif there's something really amazing about like, being able to see gravity in action like this, watching a comet accelerate into the sun's corona
00:56:54 <Bike> oh whoa that shit's wack
00:57:15 <Bike> really dope whoa
00:57:28 <Bike> no little comet you're going the wrong way!!
00:58:11 <Fiora> amazingly, it survived
00:58:36 <Fiora> it reached ~140k km from the sun's surface and spent an hour travelling through the corona
00:58:44 <Fiora> and went up to 0.2% the speed of light
00:58:59 <Bike> is that 140 km or 140 Mm?
00:59:37 <Bike> ah. we have SI prefixes for a reason you know :P
01:00:04 <Fiora> oh... I didn't know people like actually used megameter
01:00:17 <Bike> they do if they're nerds (gestures at self)
01:00:54 <Fiora> apparently it's the only sungrazer seen yet that didn't fragment or disappear
01:06:54 <elliott> 140 km from the sun's surface sounds pretty hot
01:06:59 <elliott> from a surviving as a comet p.o.v.
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01:07:32 <Bike> so does 140 Mm tbh
01:08:55 <Fiora> the corona is millions of degrees isn't it?
01:09:47 <oerjan> `frink 140 Mm -> light second
01:09:55 <HackEgo> 10000000/21413747 (approx. 0.4669897332774129)
01:10:18 <elliott> from what i know about the sun i can tell you that it's approximately really goddamn hot (celsius)
01:10:47 <oerjan> elliott: the corona is many times hotter than the surface hth
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01:11:01 <kmc> i guess tesla is like bacon
01:11:06 <elliott> oerjan: i think you need to set up your client to strip out "hth"
01:12:13 <Sgeo> Should I upload my massive but questionably legal MIDI collection to prgmr for processing, or just play with a (still questionably, but less so) legal thing of MIDIs that anyone can easily download from the AW website?
01:12:23 <Fiora> kmc: like, they're both things nerds seem to strangely like a lot and talk about?
01:12:30 <kmc> Sgeo, as your attorney I advise you to rent a very fast car with no top
01:12:42 <kmc> Fiora: yeah, they're both pretty cool but the internet makes me want to hate them
01:13:44 <Sgeo> Using just nginx with lua plugin to build a website: Good idea or bad idea
01:14:47 <Bike> good idea. just do it
01:19:04 <elliott> bike...... sgeo isn't about the doing
01:23:35 <Phantom__Hoover> temperature doesn't mean much when they're that sparse though
01:24:08 <Phantom__Hoover> the atmosphere is... really hot at the altitude the iss orbits
01:25:22 <Fiora> I guess that's true
01:25:31 <Fiora> though the photon flux must be crazy
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01:26:32 * Fiora throws things into google
01:26:35 <Fiora> (((1 AU) / (radius of the sun + (140 000 km)))^2) * ((1300 watts) per (square meter)) = 41 677 462.4 watts per (square meter)
01:28:42 <shachaf> kmc: how much do you cost as an attorney
01:28:55 <Fiora> yeah, I think wikipedia says they revised the original guesstimate as to its size
01:29:06 <Fiora> because the original size they thought wouldn't have survived the trip <.<
01:32:15 <Sgeo> Just killed xflux
01:32:21 <Sgeo> This shade of blue is blinding
01:42:00 <oerjan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penguin_diagram
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01:43:14 <Fiora> that sounds really hard
01:43:21 <Fiora> like, comets are really tiny
01:44:28 <Phantom__Hoover> if you have something coming in on a hyperbolic trajectory it probably wasn't previously in orbit around the sun
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01:45:42 <oerjan> i suspect it would be hard to distinguish something coming from the oort cloud and something coming from entirely outside
01:45:57 <Fiora> Yeah... that sounds really hard, especially since we hardly know anything about the oort cloud I think
01:46:09 <Fiora> also oerjan that is amazing. /penguin diagrams/
01:46:11 <Fiora> I love the story behind them
01:47:55 <Phantom__Hoover> we know there aren't many major gravitational influences, surely?
01:48:36 <oerjan> there is other things in the oort cloud...
01:48:41 <Phantom__Hoover> (apropos of not very much, here is a video of asteroid discovery from 1980: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONUSP23cmAE
01:49:04 <oerjan> i suppose the main planets can be accounted for
01:49:20 <Phantom__Hoover> oerjan, yes but probably not much massive enough to put incoming comets on a hyperbolic trajectory?
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01:49:44 <Phantom__Hoover> it takes a pretty big perturbation to do that so far from the periapsis
01:50:19 <oerjan> what about a collision
01:50:22 <Phantom__Hoover> (there /have/ been hyperbolic comets observed, but they were probably put onto them by jupiter)
01:51:17 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: it turns out my system is not very good at rendering 4K video
01:52:43 <Fiora> "No comets with an eccentricity significantly greater than one have been observed,[47] so there are no confirmed observations of comets that are likely to have originated outside the Solar System. "
01:52:51 <Fiora> so we could tell, I think, that means?
01:53:23 <elliott> we aren't a popular comet tourist spot :(
01:53:24 <Fiora> "A rough calculation shows that there might be four hyperbolic comets per century,[50] within Jupiter's orbit, give or take one and perhaps two orders of magnitude."
01:53:30 <Fiora> that's a pretty huge error margin o_O
01:54:07 <elliott> "Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun.", etc.
01:54:57 <oerjan> hm i was thinking wrongly, about parabolic orbits instead
01:55:24 <Phantom__Hoover> parabolic is to hyperbolic as circular is to elliptic, i think
01:55:59 <oerjan> well it's more that it's precisely on the boundary of the other two, and hard to distinguish from them
01:57:23 <elliott> googling to get the exact wording of that quote lead me to the beautifully 90s http://www.mindgazer.org/dontpanic/
02:02:48 <oerjan> they used up all the g's to make guillotines
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02:13:28 <Fiora> Bike: oh gosh http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OVERWEIGHT_SUBMARINE?SITE=NYMID&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
02:13:57 <Bike> ha i heard about that
02:14:31 <Bike> $14 million, damn
02:15:09 <elliott> that link doesn't work for me :(
02:16:34 <mnoqy> HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) -- A new, Spanish-designed submarine has a weighty problem: The vessel is more than 70 tons too heavy, and officials fear if it goes out to sea, it will not be able to surface.
02:16:38 <mnoqy> And a former Spanish official says the problem can be traced to a miscalculation - someone apparently put a decimal point in the wrong place.
02:16:41 <mnoqy> "It was a fatal mistake," said Rafael Bardaji, who until recently was director of the Office of Strategic Assessment at Spain's Defense Ministry.
02:18:28 <oerjan> an error of some magnitude
02:20:04 <shachaf> is the dual of an error an errand
02:20:08 <Fiora> the submarine must have eaten too much junk food
02:20:12 <Fiora> ... what would submarine junk food be?
02:21:30 <Fiora> I guess that makes sense
02:22:00 <Fiora> (that was terrible, I'm sorry -_-)
02:22:07 <kmc> i like that "until recently was director"
02:22:37 <shachaf> kmc: should i open a firefox bug
02:23:54 <shachaf> or is it more of a "core" bug you're the mozilla expert here
02:24:33 <oerjan> Fiora: that was nowhere near bad enough to apologize for imo. try harder next time.
02:24:34 <kmc> i don't knowchaf
02:24:44 <elliott> will kmc be obligated to switch browsers when he works at mozilla alt. does he use firefox already
02:24:49 <kmc> i use chrome now
02:24:55 <shachaf> elliott: when there's a servo browser...............maybe
02:24:59 <kmc> and i'll be working on the /new/ browser engine so until... yeah
02:25:07 <kmc> btw I got the offer paperwork today :D :D
02:25:38 <elliott> is there a distinct position of "working on the new browser in rust" vs. "working on rust"
02:25:40 <oerjan> i somewhat doubt spanish submarines are nuclear, anyway
02:27:14 <oerjan> kmc used to know how to program but then he got rusty
02:27:24 <shachaf> elliott: there is a distinct position but kmc would be the first person to have it or something like that
02:27:50 <Bike> oh, it's diesel electric.
02:27:51 <kmc> not first but one of the first
02:28:00 <kmc> most of the servo development to date has been by the rust people
02:28:06 <elliott> seems like you'd want your browser developers to be able to work on the language too
02:28:16 <elliott> maybe mozilla is open enough that they can just go ahead and do that anyway though
02:28:22 <kmc> they're both on github
02:28:24 <Sgeo> ....huh? Is Firefox being rewritten in Rust?
02:28:56 <kmc> Sgeo: yes, Mozilla is writing a new browser engine in Rust
02:28:56 <shachaf> kmc: you should get a #1 hand sign like the people in the onion cartoon
02:28:57 <Bike> yes.. that is what's happening.
02:28:59 <pikhq> Sgeo: No, but Mozilla is doing some browser development in Rust...
02:29:08 <kmc> currently the rendering engine
02:29:10 <pikhq> Principally as an experiment.
02:29:11 <shachaf> http://www.theonion.com/articles/selling-america-short,32564/
02:29:19 <kmc> javascript and parsing and network and lots of other stuff are still C libraries
02:29:31 <pikhq> Could turn into a full Rust rewrite at some point.
02:29:32 <kmc> Sgeo: if your question is "will the new browser eventually be renamed to Firefox" then I don't know of any plans to do so
02:29:43 <kmc> they are pretty serious about it becoming a real product though
02:29:53 <pikhq> ATM it's more to drive development of Rust I think.
02:29:57 <kmc> there are now a bunch of Samsung employees working on Rust and Servo
02:30:03 <kmc> because Samsung thinks it will be a better mobile browser
02:30:04 <shachaf> then you can start thinking about calling it firefox
02:30:09 <pikhq> Having a non-trivial program in your new language helps a lot.
02:30:16 <elliott> kmc: should write your browser in @ instead
02:30:32 <kmc> pikhq: the two projects are symbiotic, you could just as well say that Servo is the resaon Rust exists
02:30:47 <shachaf> elliott: nothing is more secure than programs written in @
02:31:00 <shachaf> except maybe for denial of service attacks...................
02:31:19 <pikhq> I've got to give Rust props. I have no idea if it'll be *good*, but it is at least *interesting*.
02:31:24 <Sgeo> Someone should make a language where the empty program is the least secure program possible in the language.
02:31:41 <kmc> i nominate you Sgeo
02:31:49 <pikhq> And there's a real shortage of interesting serious languages.
02:32:02 <kmc> especially in the "C and C++ replacement" category
02:32:16 <shachaf> are you going to write programs in D/Rust now
02:32:25 <pikhq> It's telling that C is still the best language for that niche.
02:32:31 <kmc> Go is a "C replacement", in that it's a ploy aimed at people who still use C for applications development for no reason
02:33:28 <kmc> it's not really a serious replacement for OS kernels or latency-critical stuff
02:33:42 <Bike> browser kernels
02:34:01 <pikhq> OS kernel, in Go? Hell no.
02:34:03 <kmc> it's like Java but with even more limitations, and just enough tinge of the weird to make it acceptable to Real Programmers who look down on Java
02:34:24 <pikhq> It's also a profoundly mundane language.
02:34:31 <Bike> go more like went
02:34:49 <Sgeo> Go has built-in generics but no way to make your own, right?
02:35:44 <shachaf> so when are you moving here
02:35:47 <Sgeo> Amazon now tracks which videos you've watched!
02:35:57 <Sgeo> Or, well, displays it nicely
02:36:02 <Sgeo> I guess it has to have been tracking
02:36:05 <Bike> watched... on what...
02:36:13 <kmc> shachaf: I'm going to give them a start date of July 1 i think
02:36:34 <Sgeo> Bike, on Amazon
02:36:42 <Bike> amazon has videos?
02:37:01 <kmc> yep they sell streaming video
02:37:03 <elliott> i'll move to sf too "bandwagoning"
02:37:07 <kmc> or give you lots of things for free, with Prime
02:37:53 <elliott> doesn't sf cost $everything/mo
02:37:58 <shachaf> http://www.theonion.com/articles/woe-is-euro,28491/
02:38:02 <shachaf> elliott: more than that hth
02:38:18 <elliott> ok but i don't have $everything
02:38:37 <Bike> but can you steal that much?
02:38:45 <elliott> god i love the kelly comics
02:38:58 <Bike> i wish kelly wasn't so accurate
02:39:36 <Fiora> amazon lets you remove things from your history though, right? I remember it had a thing
02:39:42 <Fiora> so you could make it ignore something for the purpose of suggesting stuff
02:39:55 <Bike> sorry amazon, i need you to forget all this horse porn. thanks
02:40:31 <Fiora> "I was looking at this product for the parody reviews, I don't actually want lots of random numbers ;_;"
02:40:42 <shachaf> elliott: you could move to epa
02:40:50 <shachaf> speaking of which i should move out of epa
02:41:31 <elliott> shachaf: i hear EPA has violence, violence, violence, violence, and thinly-veiled racism concealed behind questions about violence [source: quora]
02:41:42 <kmc> [source: I am a violent racist in EPA]
02:42:24 <elliott> Fiora: did you know RAND claims copyright on the random numbers in that book
02:42:44 <elliott> Fiora: http://hcoop.net/~ntk/random/
02:43:59 <Bike> i'm curious who would need this
02:44:22 <elliott> people who need digits... and fast
02:45:00 <Bike> i'd kind of like to see a court case about copyrighted random numbers, that would be interesting
02:47:42 <Fiora> I guess nowadays it's less necessary
02:48:06 <Bike> yeah i can't imagine anyone actually taking it to court, i'm just wondering how it would work out
02:52:30 <kmc> i think they had PRNGs back then, they just weren't very good
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02:53:00 <Bike> i like to imagine some confused RAND employee getting frustrated with Knuth's shitty prng
02:53:02 <kmc> computers were too slow to run a good one
02:58:03 <shachaf> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=880926
03:10:27 <kmc> oh dear, their bugzilla allows live html attachements that show up in bug880926.bugzilla.mozilla.org
03:10:52 <kmc> that's not great for security
03:10:54 <kmc> quite the 'meta bug'
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03:24:39 <kmc> shachaf: kappabot is wearing your cloak
03:24:45 <kmc> also how do I get a cloak
03:24:54 <Bike> kidnap an oper
03:25:13 <shachaf> at least that's how i got mine
03:25:15 <kmc> is tt the secret pope of freenode
03:25:26 <shachaf> he was just handin' them out
03:25:34 <elliott> kmc: you can just join #freenode
03:25:52 <elliott> not fashionable in the slightest
03:25:58 <elliott> maybe you can get a fancy "works at mozilla" cloak
03:26:15 <kmc> should i have a compose key for ꙮ
03:26:24 <kmc> should it be Multi_key o o o o o o o o
03:26:36 <shachaf> right now i have Multi_key o o bound to °
03:26:52 <kmc> right now i just use ISO 14755 Mode
03:26:59 <Bike> The laser beam activated pest trap system is then activated, with all three of them being zapped, leaving just tufts of hair on all of them. That beam also travels into outer space and hits a satellite, destroying it.
03:27:05 <shachaf> I use ctrl-shift-u a 6 6 e <space>
03:27:05 <kmc> press ctrl and shift at the same time in urxvt
03:27:20 <shachaf> And then what? Type the codepoint?
03:27:28 <kmc> whilst keeping them held down
03:27:55 <shachaf> You can also type other things conveniently by pressing ctrl-shift and then letting go and then pressing a key.
03:28:10 <kmc> yes, KEYCAP PICTURE INSERT MODE
03:28:19 <Bike> i've been wondering what that's for
03:28:35 <Bike> ⎈ doesn't look like ctrl but hey w/e
03:28:37 <shachaf> Bike: You can type other things conveniently by coming to San Francisco!
03:28:48 <Bike> why do you want me to come to san francisco
03:29:19 <shachaf> Bike: because how else can i say that all the cool people come to san francisco hth
03:29:39 <elliott> Bike: i think this is shachafs way of telling you you are cool
03:29:49 * Fiora isn't cool, so stays out of SF?
03:29:55 <Bike> "no, you're not cool, Bike"
03:29:59 <kmc> do you remember how old PC software used to come with a plastic sheet that fit around your keys and was labeled with the various functions for that software and color coded according to whether you should use them with shift, ctrl, etc?
03:30:21 <Bike> i;m missing out
03:30:23 <kmc> or maybe I just made that up just now
03:30:26 <kmc> not 100% sure
03:30:29 <elliott> kmc: i sort of remember that but i don't think i ever actually that
03:30:30 <kmc> quintopia: yes?
03:30:34 <Fiora> but I like my apartment here...
03:30:45 <shachaf> Gracenotes: kmc is moving here!
03:30:58 <quintopia> i need an iptables ruleset because mine got deleted. just the basic rules everyone has.
03:31:14 <Bike> i don't have any oops.
03:31:22 <kmc> don't have any cool iptables rules handy, sorry
03:31:35 <shachaf> maybe once you move to sf you'll have some......................
03:31:53 <shachaf> Fiora: But think of all the great friends you could make here!
03:32:04 <shachaf> There's a big friend shop in downtown SF where you can buy friends.
03:32:14 <Fiora> but I don't want to buy friends... that doesn't sound right
03:32:14 <Bike> that sounds incredibly convenient
03:32:22 <Bike> except i don't have money. way to discriminate.
03:32:29 <kmc> i'll be your friend for free Bike
03:32:31 <elliott> is this code speak for drugz
03:32:34 <shachaf> Fiora: Hey, I'm not the one who brought up friend shops.
03:32:39 <Bike> except are you a communist
03:32:43 <kmc> only a little
03:32:47 <elliott> kmc: do you buy "friends" from the "friend shop"
03:33:13 <Bike> my ol' friends hashy and methylenedioxymethamphetamine (he's swedish)
03:34:43 <Gracenotes> shachaf: it's not much good if bahaskell don't meet
03:34:46 <elliott> i know nothing about iptables
03:34:57 <shachaf> Gracenotes: bahaskell will meet
03:35:02 <Fiora> I'm not sure silicon valley friends sound very good either
03:35:34 <Fiora> Ididn't mean that as... bleh
03:35:36 <Gracenotes> at least it's not san fernando valley friends
03:35:46 <shachaf> Fiora: It's OK, we didn't take it that way.
03:35:48 <kmc> san francisco >>> silicon valley
03:36:19 <kmc> does Unicode have a codepoint for VERY MUCH GREATER THAN
03:36:20 <Bike> san francisco → silicon valley fyi
03:36:23 * Bike goes mad with power
03:36:28 <kmc> oh it's the one you efb
03:36:34 <kmc> but it doesn't render in my terminal THANKS A LOT, SCREEN
03:37:06 <shachaf> By the way tmux is broken too. :-( With certain emoji codepoints.
03:37:21 <kmc> is it actually tmux, or are you just lacking those in your locale
03:38:10 <shachaf> it works with ssh shachaf.net
03:38:11 <elliott> Fiora: (i was just kidding, btw)
03:38:13 <shachaf> but not with mosh shachaf.net
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03:38:19 <kmc> then it's probably the locale
03:38:37 <kmc> Bike: The San Francisco and San Jose Railroad
03:38:57 <shachaf> LANG etc. are en_US.UTF-8 both ways.
03:38:58 <kmc> those emoji aren't in the server-side locale, maybe?
03:39:02 <Fiora> I'm not very good at catching jokes
03:39:11 <kmc> we ought to merge one of the hardcoded wcwidth() implementations...
03:39:15 <kmc> then this won't happen
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03:39:58 <Fiora> 20:39 <rahman0804> hy
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03:41:15 <kmc> cool someone put a better reference image on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiocular_O
03:41:37 <shachaf> kmc: you already said that didn't you
03:41:49 <elliott> kmc should start a blog about multiocular o
03:41:56 <Bike> Fiora: the other day a stranger messaged me for a "normal chat" here it was weird
03:42:22 <shachaf> today someone walked up to me and asked if i was a "php coder"................
03:42:29 <shachaf> and then they asked about sql and perl
03:42:38 <shachaf> i decided not to be a php coder today
03:42:53 <shachaf> opened the door to adventure
03:43:00 <Fiora> Bike: I sometimes wish someone (not completely skeezy) would do that for once
03:43:02 <Fiora> it never happens though
03:43:13 <kmc> shachaf: walked up to you in person?
03:43:20 <Bike> maybe i can get you in touch with this person
03:43:24 <Bike> they weren't skeezy, weirdly
03:43:51 <Bike> eventually they left because they detected that i had no idea what was going on though
03:44:08 <kmc> shachaf: 'the bay area'
03:44:17 <kmc> where was this? and did they have some reason to think you were a PHP coder
03:44:33 <kmc> "a quiet young person within 50 miles of san francisco, he must be a PHP coder"
03:44:35 <elliott> totally gonna heck kmc's aim by asking him if he's a php coder if i ever see him irl
03:44:35 <shachaf> well i was using a computer at the time
03:44:47 <kmc> elliott: i have been paid to write PHP code
03:44:49 <kmc> it is my eternal shame
03:44:50 * Bike checks logs, finds that the person apparently PMed at least two other peopl in the channel
03:44:56 <Bike> kmc: blood money
03:45:08 <kmc> I've been trying to avoid general language bashing because it sucks so much, and I think my strategy for this is to just bash PHP
03:45:13 <kmc> because PHP really deserves it
03:45:15 <Bike> a normal person might be shamed by paying into violent diamond mines. but coders are special people
03:45:41 <kmc> Bike: how do you have logs of who someone else has PMed???
03:45:42 <kmc> are you NSA
03:45:44 <elliott> kmc: #haskell{,-blah} language circlejerks make me want to defend java to the death
03:45:45 <shachaf> kmc: you know what language makes for some really good bashing
03:45:48 <kmc> you have to tell me if you're NSA
03:45:49 <elliott> but not php because uh, it's php
03:46:07 <Bike> kmc: a couple "why are you PMing me" messages in the channel, also no i don't i'm under a reverse national security letter hth
03:46:13 <kmc> elliott: i used to defend Jafa in #haskell but usually in a kind of backhanded "it's great for lots of dumb people who aren't as smart as us" way which I eventually got sick of too
03:46:38 <Bike> i've gotten used to defending languages i don't like
03:46:38 <shachaf> I just make a no-language-bashing rule in #haskell
03:46:43 <shachaf> Unfortuantely I don't enforce it
03:46:46 <Bike> because language circlejerks are just that fucking boring
03:46:50 <kmc> shachaf: which language is it
03:46:52 <shachaf> And people always say it's just in good fun, so who cares, right?
03:46:55 <Fiora> kmc: is it just me or are language arguments/circlejerking/that kind of thing basically like the nerd equivalent of sports team arguments or something?
03:46:58 <elliott> kmc: i think i usually just tell people to shut up
03:47:05 <kmc> shachaf: looooool
03:47:08 <elliott> it seems like the most direct way to express the problem
03:47:08 <kmc> Fiora: yeah, could be
03:47:20 <Fiora> like, you're on a team, and you have to ~defend~ that team 'cause it's your team
03:47:26 <kmc> it sucks because I think in depth comparisons of languages are really interesting
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03:47:28 <Fiora> and your team is totes better than the other team
03:47:40 <Fiora> and gosh did you see those new APIs it got in the draft this year
03:47:42 <kmc> but the arguments usually avoid anything interesting or complex
03:47:45 <elliott> does this mean I get to wear @ merchandise
03:47:45 <kmc> Fiora: heh, yup
03:47:45 <Fiora> or something I really don't know sports
03:47:49 <Bike> like in #lisp there's lots of people going on about how elegant it is or whatever and i'm like can't you write some code instead of having a watered-down spiritual experience all over my irc
03:47:52 <elliott> because if so I am so down with this analogy
03:47:56 <Bike> elliott: @ is an exception; @ is life
03:47:56 <kmc> Bike: hahaha yes
03:48:02 <kmc> Bike: "if you think Lisp is great you should try acid"
03:48:09 <Bike> kmc: new go-to reply, thx
03:48:13 <kmc> i was given this advice about Haskell more or less
03:48:20 <elliott> does this mean I should try acid
03:48:26 <kmc> elliott: you should try acid eventually, yes
03:48:28 <kmc> everyone should
03:48:30 <Bike> maybe i'll act like a hardcore christian
03:48:31 <kmc> maybe wait until you're not 17
03:48:39 <Bike> you know what's more elegant than lisp? the book of enoch
03:48:43 <shachaf> when kmc moves to san francisco he can be my dealer
03:48:53 <kmc> what am i getting into...........
03:49:15 <shachaf> (the joke is you were already into those??????)
03:50:02 <elliott> kmc: so i should try acid in august, check
03:50:13 <Bike> wait, why does being 17 matter for acid
03:50:23 <shachaf> Bike: it's illegal when you're under 18 hth
03:50:30 <elliott> because kmc will face a longer sentence if i'm a minor
03:50:41 <elliott> the crime of suggesting drugz
03:52:12 <shachaf> kmc: Is there a name for the thing where you extract information a character at a time in a way that you couldn't do for an entire string, etc.?
03:52:24 <shachaf> It's like some timing attacks and so on but it's more general than that.
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03:53:32 <kmc> partial something oracle
03:55:01 <elliott> partial something oracle (technical term)
03:58:20 <kmc> i bet @tqbf knows
04:04:04 <shachaf> mnoqy: they're having a nose competition in #perl6
04:04:50 <shachaf> 21:01 <+yoleaux> U+2FD0 KANGXI RADICAL NOSE [So] (⿐)
04:05:12 <elliott> i can't believe larry wall actually talks on irc
04:05:23 <Bike> kangxi radical wall
04:05:42 <Bike> erotic roleplay
04:05:55 <kmc> compute fibonacci numbers
04:06:18 <mnoqy> erotic roleplay would involve talking wouldnt it
04:06:26 <kmc> depends on your fetish
04:06:26 <mnoqy> .......in a certain sense of talking
04:06:34 <mnoqy> the "silence fetish"
04:06:53 <mnoqy> fetish whereby you get off by watching other people engage in erotic roleplay?
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04:13:11 <shachaf> i bet you live in san francisco "you're just that cool"
04:13:31 <kappabot> actually i live in fremont, ca
04:24:22 <shachaf> esoteric/2012-12-16.txt:05:48:56: <kmc> maybe i should get a tattoo of multiocular o
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04:57:47 <Sgeo> A YouTube video just reminded me of a game I used to suck at
04:58:22 <Sgeo> It was ... some kind of CA fight thing
04:58:25 <Sgeo> Available on Linux
05:03:13 <Sgeo> http://www.gnu.org/software/liquidwar6/
05:03:21 <Sgeo> The guy in the video has a ... voice
05:04:01 <Bike> I too have a voice. It is my curse, and my blessing.
05:04:27 <Fiora> /msg chanserv voice #esoteric Bike
05:04:34 <Sgeo> This guy's voice is notable
05:05:22 <Sgeo> Seems like it could be a cool game for a tablet
05:06:30 <Bike> elliott: get on this. thx
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05:07:46 <Bike> Knew I could count on you.
05:07:48 <elliott> Bike: yo it's 6 am - do i sleep
05:07:59 <Bike> I... how long have you been awake
05:08:12 <elliott> 1, 2 pm? but i didn't sleep that much
05:08:22 * Bike counts on fingers
05:08:27 <Bike> uh this is hard. play it safe and sleep imo
05:08:32 <shachaf> i used to counton my fingers
05:08:35 <shachaf> but they always let me down :'(
05:09:35 <Bike> Are you tireD?
05:10:19 <Bike> We're all tired of #haskell.
05:11:25 <shachaf> Fiora: now that haswell is out should i acquire a haswell computer
05:11:35 <shachaf> i'm not longer interested in the things i was interested in it for once upon a time
05:11:40 <Sgeo> shachaf, non-existent as of this point in time, unless I have caching issues.
05:11:45 <Sgeo> Thanks for making me check >:(
05:12:19 <shachaf> Sgeo: If it had updated, I would've `olisted myself.
05:12:59 <Sgeo> In all likelihood, it exists sometime between 1 second from now and a billion years from now.
05:13:37 <shachaf> a billion years from now the average surface temperature on earth will be 47° hth
05:14:09 <Fiora> shachaf: um... I don't really know, I guess it kinda depends on what you currently have and stuff...
05:14:49 <Sgeo> liquidwar6 segfaults :(
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05:19:32 <kmc> 'good to know'
05:24:53 <Sgeo> The AI in liquidwar5 is ... not good
05:28:38 <Sgeo> Found the AI difficulty slider
05:28:44 <Sgeo> Kicked it up a notch
05:28:55 <Sgeo> Still wasn't very good, but held a defensive position for a long time
05:29:16 <shachaf> Sgeo: wow this is like one of those movies
05:29:45 <Sgeo> The guy's voice?
05:29:58 <shachaf> no the way you improved the ai
05:33:12 <Sgeo> Kicked it up another notch. I am being ground into paste.
05:36:09 <shachaf> kmc: help how do i prepare for job interview
05:36:46 <mnoqy> first you should have an appointment for a job interview, and transportation
05:37:15 <kmc> that is p. important
05:37:37 <Sgeo> Well, I finally didn't lose against this.... but didn't fully win
05:37:44 <kmc> shachaf: at my most recent interviews I got surprisingly few algorithms / puzzles / etc questions, and lots of questions about my background and stuff I've done in the past
05:37:45 <Sgeo> Had enemy mostly surrounded, but it held out
05:37:48 <Fiora> get some sleep and try to not panic too much?
05:37:53 <kmc> so I feel like having rehersed answers for the latter helped me
05:38:05 <kmc> like, deciding ahead of time what I would say to "Why did your past two jobs last less than a year each?" was important
05:38:15 <kmc> i don't know how much this is true for you
05:38:23 <kmc> I know some companies do lots of puzzle questions even for experienced people
05:38:27 <kmc> but I think that's falling out of favor
05:38:43 <kmc> I guess just make sure you can talk about everything on your resume, and in some technical detail
05:39:29 <kmc> if the company wants you to have, like, memorized http://bigocheatsheet.com/ then I think you shouldn't work there if you can help it ;P
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05:41:48 <kmc> o no shachaf missed my advice
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05:42:24 <shachaf> Hmm, irssi ran into a very odd bug.
05:42:29 <shachaf> I thought it was tmux but I guess not.
05:42:44 <shachaf> Don't worry, I managed to logread it.
05:44:04 <shachaf> Anyway it's just some phone interviews at this point.
05:44:27 <kmc> good luckchaf
05:56:20 <elliott> i forgot how tiring being tired is
05:56:46 <shachaf> being not tired is also tiring
05:57:20 <shachaf> in fact just about everything is tiring except sleeping
06:00:27 <Fiora> sleeping makes me tired sometimes too
06:00:48 <shachaf> i'm p. tired when i wake up
06:00:59 <shachaf> it's kind of delayed action untiringness
06:13:20 <kmc> that is why god invented coffee
06:13:27 <kmc> or diet mt dew as the case may be
06:15:15 <shachaf> or those big cups of questionable liquid you were drinking
06:15:23 <shachaf> maybe that wasn't caffeinated
06:17:03 <elliott> my new shachaf repellent is called caffeinated drums
06:18:00 <shachaf> what's wrong with your old shachaf repellent
06:19:04 <mnoqy> as we all know failing to exist is a poor way to repel shachaf
06:20:55 <kmc> which questionable liquid was i drinking when
06:21:22 <kmc> i used to drink 'questionable liquid' i.e. bitter water with food coloring that comes out of a glass labware bottle labeled "POISON DO NOT DRINK"
06:21:32 <kmc> v. careful amounts thereof
06:21:54 <kmc> we had a color coding system for indicating which synthetic hallucinogen it was
06:21:57 <kmc> safety first
06:22:11 <shachaf> oh i just meant that big cup from that store we went to twice
06:22:31 <kmc> yes we had to go twice because i drank the first one
06:22:45 <kmc> the 7-Eleven refill is a wonderful thing
06:23:11 <shachaf> i assume it was some form of sugar water
06:23:27 <kmc> aspartame water
06:23:41 <kmc> well there was a little sugar because I usually mix in some amount of non-diet drinx, e.g. lemonade
06:26:25 <kmc> Diet Coke with some lemonade, I think
06:26:29 <kmc> maybe Coke Zero w/ same
06:26:46 <shachaf> have never managed to drink anything carbonated
06:26:54 <kmc> that's fair I suppose
06:27:06 <kmc> soda is the drums of the drink world
06:27:20 <sacje> what does that mean
06:27:29 <shachaf> elliott: carbonated drum hth
06:27:33 <kmc> `welcome sacje
06:27:37 <elliott> oh right i meant carbonated
06:27:38 <HackEgo> sacje: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
06:27:49 <shachaf> now i understand what you meant thx
06:27:53 <sacje> i feel welcome now
06:27:59 <elliott> i like both carbonation and drums im the anti shachaf
06:28:09 <HackEgo> sacje: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
06:28:26 <elliott> kmc: i don't know how you can stand to use plain old `welcome when we have so many fantastic welcoming options
06:28:28 <sacje> i can only feel so welcome guys
06:28:37 <HackEgo> SACJE: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.)
06:28:39 <kmc> an elegant, minimalist `welcome
06:28:43 <elliott> that is the first thing to learn
06:29:00 <Bike> fiora still has to attend therapy after all that welcoming
06:29:18 <shachaf> did we ever re-welcome Fiora after she came back
06:29:28 <HackEgo> Fiora: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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08:39:41 <shachaf> have fun with that particular individual
08:40:23 <shachaf> Perhaps they won't be as bad here as in #haskell.
08:41:41 <elliott> kmc: my psychic knowledge tells me exactly who you're talking to
08:41:49 <elliott> it also tells you that you shouldn't bother
08:45:39 <elliott> kmc: it's the powers of not living in sf
08:45:52 <kmc> o no if i move will i lose my psychic powers
08:46:15 <shachaf> the powers can sense that you're going to move to sf and leave before you do
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15:55:09 <oerjan> <kmc> do you remember how old PC software used to come with a plastic sheet that fit around your keys and was labeled with the various functions for that software and color coded according to whether you should use them with shift, ctrl, etc? <-- the washing machine came with such sheets in several different languages. no ctrl/shift keys, though.
16:05:52 <Vorpal> Hm, when was that? (For PC software, not washing machines)
16:06:17 <oerjan> well, i suppose there were several modifier keys, like prewash. but they weren't marked on the other ones.
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16:07:03 <oerjan> i vaguely recall such a pc sheet
16:07:37 <oerjan> i think it was for a word processing program
16:08:19 <oerjan> i think windows, not sure.
16:10:27 <kmc> yeah I think we had one for a pre-Windows word processing program
16:10:36 <pikhq> Oh *man* those things were terrible.
16:10:46 <kmc> for me the timeline is a little confused because I had got a lot of computer junk to play with that was obsolete even in 1995
16:11:02 <pikhq> I learned to code on an Apple II.
16:11:12 <pikhq> I was 2 when they stopped making 'em.
16:12:51 <oerjan> but you turned out all right anyhow?
16:13:28 <kmc> I did a little early programming on Apple ][ as well
16:13:50 <kmc> but I would say I learned to program in QBASIC and TI-83+ BASIC
16:13:56 <kmc> and a bit later Visual Basic 4.0
16:15:12 <oerjan> i recall visiting someone on a vacation, who had something which was probably an Apple II. and also managing to make a flag picture on it. that may have been my first physical contact with a computer.
16:15:34 <kmc> despite its limitations the TI-83+ was a great platform for learning to code
16:17:12 <oerjan> although i am not _quite_ sure whether that was before or after my dad brought home a typewriter/modem device and let me play with basic on a Nord-100 server.
16:19:59 <oerjan> "The board was laid out and finished and tested when they realized that the CPU was far faster than the Nord-10/S. The result was that all the marketing material for the new NORD-10/M was discarded, the board was rechristened the Nord-100, and extensively advertised as the successor of the Nord-10 line."
16:27:27 <oerjan> <kmc> Bike: how do you have logs of who someone else has PMed??? <-- he just uses the Prism interface in lens, duh
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16:49:44 <oerjan> <mnoqy> as we all know failing to exist is a poor way to repel shachaf <-- i dunno, has canada avoided shachaf up until now?
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17:21:50 <Fiora> kmc: I think I learned with... I think it was Borland C with my dad? and my TI-82
17:21:56 <Fiora> later TI-83 and stuff
17:22:34 <Fiora> one of the few things I remember about being, like, 9, is being a total dumb and leaving my TI-82 right under the halogen lamp on my desk, only to find later that I melted off the corner of it (but it still worked)
17:23:00 <Sgeo> ....someone in the Active Worlds FB group, of all places, posted me this: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/38547658.jpg
17:34:59 <oerjan> myndzi has added new features?
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17:57:40 <Bike> http://pastebin.com/Q9VwEMfk the face of modern hacking
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18:01:52 <oerjan> do the stallman pictures include the toe eating stuff
18:03:17 <Sgeo> I should learn Jack...
18:03:52 <Bike> Sgeo: it's actually pretty simple
18:04:20 <ion> &-style Perl function calls. 2012.
18:04:31 <Sgeo> I saw some suggestion for a GUI config tool, but that's not actually necessary, right?
18:05:02 <Bike> hella convenient however
18:05:29 <Sgeo> Blargh. Worth it to set up X forwarding to use it?
18:08:19 <ion> “set up X forwarding” a.k.a. adding the -X parameter to ssh?
18:09:56 <Sgeo> It would use up bandwidth, wouldn't it?
18:10:35 <ion> That’s what using the network tends to do.
18:11:01 <Bike> Does anyone happen to know what SI stands for in US classification terminology? TS//SI//NF is obviously top seccret//something??//noforn
18:11:24 <Sgeo> Well, that was painfully slow
18:11:34 <Sgeo> I think I'll avoid it
18:12:49 <Deewiant> Bike: http://www.acronymfinder.com/TS%2fSI.html hth
18:13:24 <Bike> hey that actually does. thanks.
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18:18:55 <Phantom_Hoover> so apparently jon oliver is going to present the daily show for a bit?
18:30:23 <Bike> "Finally, a British man can be funny in America"
18:33:19 <Phantom_Hoover> the americans are now comfortable with an englishman taking the piss out of america
18:33:35 <Phantom_Hoover> americans hate the english taking the piss out of america
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18:36:12 <Bike_> i don't know if the daily show's target demographic is stereotypical americans
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18:38:51 <Bike> `relcome flier
18:38:54 <HackEgo> flier: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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18:44:04 <oerjan> Bike: they're stereotypical democrats, no?
18:44:15 <oerjan> which as we all know aren't real americans.
18:44:22 <Bike> more like stereotypical stoned college students
18:44:38 <oerjan> ah, a subset of democrats.
18:45:26 <oerjan> also, has the republican party collapsed completely yet, i may have paid less attention for a while
18:45:50 <Bike> Not yet. Bachmann quit or something.
18:46:16 <oerjan> i guess they need an election to observe the actual collapse, like in quantum mechanics
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18:48:13 <oerjan> i'm wondering if flier has quite the hang of irc yet
18:48:57 <oerjan> that wasn't really spam, it was the topic message for #ubuntu-mx
18:49:36 <zzo38> That doesn't necessarily mean it isn't spam.
18:49:44 <quintopia> i'm sorry. your sentence made no sense
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18:49:58 <quintopia> "that wasn't really spam, it was spam"
18:50:09 <oerjan> well it's not commercial.
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18:51:01 <oerjan> which means i suspect it was more likely to be a mistake than intended
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19:59:57 <Phantom_Hoover> oerjan, oi, can you define prime numbers categorically
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20:17:40 <Bike_> https://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi are you all ready for islamic libertarian startup culture?
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20:31:49 <zzo38> I made up a implementation of Deadfish in Nintendo Family Computer.
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20:32:40 <zzo38> It can work with up to eight digits.
20:34:53 <zzo38> It could probably be made to fit in a much smaller ROM, but 16K is the smallest one available.
20:35:33 <zzo38> This is download http://zzo38computer.org/nes_program/deadfish.zip If you have a emulator or a Famicom then you can try it.
20:36:26 <Bike> family computer brainfuck
20:36:39 <zzo38> Bike: I think there is one of that already.
20:37:44 <pikhq> Well hey, there was Family Computer BASIC.
20:37:54 <pikhq> Sorry, "Family BASIC".
20:38:03 <pikhq> Clearly you should call it Family Deadfish.
20:38:23 <zzo38> Yes, there was that. I don't have a copy of Family BASIC, however; I only have the emulator, and I don't have Family BASIC on that either.
20:40:22 * pikhq particularly loves that Family BASIC supported a tape drive
20:40:44 <zzo38> I have never written a program to use the tape yet.
20:41:19 <pikhq> Though in principle you could. The tape interface is on the keyboard.
20:41:33 <zzo38> But possibly a Z-machine interpreter could store the save files in a tape, or it could put the transcript there if you could connect a printer to the tape port somehow.
20:42:01 <zzo38> pikhq: Yes, and the emulator I use does support the tape (and the keyboard).
20:42:02 <pikhq> The tape hookup is a pair of mono phono jacks.
20:42:27 <pikhq> oh my god you could use that for Internet.
20:42:55 <Bike> Was it famicom or super famicom that had the satellite hookup
20:43:18 <pikhq> The satellite hookup was one-way.
20:43:35 <pikhq> The cart had a satellite tuner in it, and that was 'bout it.
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20:45:03 <nooodl> isn't there some way to compile C to 6502 asm out there
20:45:40 <zzo38> nooodl: Yes, there is, and Zooming Secretary has been written using it.
20:45:53 <zzo38> I just used assembly language, though.
20:46:39 <pikhq> *Sweet*. Contiki already supports the NES.
20:47:43 <zzo38> This Deadfish implementation is much longer than the other ones because there is many things that isn't built-in.
20:50:18 <zzo38> If you try my implementation and you find any mistake or other comment, then please tell me about it.
20:53:01 <zzo38> It doesn't implement key repeat (you have to release the key before it will accept another command), but it does deal with overscan.
20:55:35 <FreeFull> My favourite esolang thing will probably forever remain IBNIZ
20:57:38 <ion> It’s viznut’s audiovisual language.
20:57:42 <Sgeo> My favorite is Bancstar
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21:27:53 <zzo38> Which NES/Famicom programs use OAM in ROM (instead of OAM in RAM, which is probably more common)?
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21:39:25 <oerjan> ?sdrawkcab gnipyt uoy era yhw :lluFeerF
21:46:20 <shachaf> kappabot: @admin - FreeFull
21:46:49 <shachaf> The point is that you can make it leave the channel if the double-botting gets annoying.
21:48:03 <oerjan> lambdabot: HOW DARE YOU DEFY ME
21:48:20 <FreeFull> lambdabot: @seriously, go away
21:48:29 <lambdabot> system provides: echo list listchans listmodules listservers uptime
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21:51:36 <kmc> Fiora: hm, starting with C is pretty intense
21:51:44 <kmc> i didn't know for a long time that you could get free C compilers
21:52:07 <kmc> i had Teach Yourself Game Programming in 21 Days which came with a DOS C compiler, but like a bad / limited one
21:52:24 <kmc> i really enjoyed reading that book but most of the stuff in it would be beyond my capabilities for like another 10 years
21:52:49 <kmc> TI-8x was a great platform for learning programming
21:53:12 <kmc> i had it with me always so i could spend spare moments programming (e.g. during the many long bus rides that defined my school existence)
21:53:40 <kmc> and it had easy access to graphics, graphing, and menus which made it easy to do small games and demos without a lot of bullshit
21:54:02 <kmc> and you could share your programs at school peer-to-peer in a way that was really compelling (probably not so much anymore for the facebook generation)
21:54:07 <nooodl> i still program ti 84 stuff :')
21:55:34 <nooodl> guys. generalised deadfish http://sprunge.us/GeYR?hs
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21:55:57 <Bike> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Somalia_map_states_regions_districts.png&offset=&limit=500#filehistory wikipedia on the front lines
21:56:35 <nooodl> Bike: whoa that's pretty cool
21:56:47 <Bike> should be a gif
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21:57:52 <kmc> good old somalia
21:58:13 <kmc> i'm told that somaliland is a relatively stable (sub-)state by local standards
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21:59:02 <Bike> yeah, i know a guy who's family was going to move there
21:59:08 <Bike> i, uh, haven't heard from him for a few months, hm.
21:59:13 <kmc> i think lexande counts it as a country for his country count
21:59:21 <kmc> why were they moving there
21:59:34 <Bike> His family was from the area.
21:59:52 <Bike> The guy I knew wasn't really excited about it though.
21:59:57 <kmc> can't imagine why
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22:01:36 <Bike> hopefully he's still in the UK and just hasn't been around
22:19:04 <kmc> nooodl: why a type class and not ordinary polymorphic stuffs
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23:05:54 <Sgeo> *grumble* I think I have a caffeine addiction
23:06:07 <Sgeo> I don't drink coffee on the weekends, and lately I've been having a headache each weekend
23:06:52 <kmc> you have a caffeine addiction
23:07:01 <Bike> many people do
23:07:12 <Bike> unrelated: does anyone here happen to know anything about baseball and the history thereof
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23:28:02 <oerjan> Sgeo: that's why i always make sure to have caffeinated beverages (these days coke zero) in the house
23:29:03 <Sgeo> oerjan, or I could try cutting myself down to 1 cup of coffee a day
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23:29:31 <shachaf> or you could not drink coffee hth
23:31:17 <Bike> yeah what w eneed here is definitely more drugs.
23:31:54 <pikhq> Thus far my experience with drugs is that they are magic.
23:31:58 <Bike> just cut your caffeine with heroin hth
23:32:00 <hagb4rd> who is drinking coke without sugar! that's like ..like
23:34:03 <Bike> wait, are you talking about soda.
23:34:12 <Bike> i may be confused
23:34:19 <pikhq> hagb4rd: Without sugar? We need more sugar!
23:34:45 <hagb4rd> that's all the same bike,..drugs
23:35:30 <hagb4rd> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FHOFMiQYKI
23:35:52 <hagb4rd> drugs are good..people are bad
23:36:38 <hagb4rd> guns don't kill people.. people kill people
23:42:52 <hagb4rd> exporing inner and outer space
23:43:50 <oerjan> hagb4rd: my weight dropped drastically approximately after i switched from sugared coke to zero. although there may have been other factors.
23:45:02 <hagb4rd> i'm sure there is no doubt such amounts of sugar are not healthy
23:45:57 <oerjan> it wasn't reason, it was my stomach acting up and a fear i might be getting diabetes.
23:46:43 <hagb4rd> yes, death is the ultimate consultant
23:47:13 <oerjan> stop ircing on drgus hth
23:47:27 <oerjan> (it felt wrong to fix that typo)
23:47:35 <hagb4rd> stop thinking about a pink elephant!
23:47:56 <zzo38> I have a TI-92 calculator and sometimes program it.
23:48:12 <oerjan> zzo38: *and am not afraid to use it
23:48:24 <zzo38> oerjan: Yes, that too.
23:49:32 <zzo38> Including a solitaire card game, a random name generator, a dice rolling program, Goldilock's Method, a telephone numbers database, and various other things.
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