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00:10:54 <Phantom_Hoover> oh for fuck's sake there are MULTIPLE fast fourier transforms!
00:11:11 <Bike> 2 fast 2 fourier
00:12:35 <kmc> IF X <> Y THEN GOTO 20
00:13:38 <Bike> did that thing eat the "X" D:
00:13:46 <ion> LESS-THAN ABOVE SLANTED EQUAL ABOVE GREATER-THAN ABOVE SLANTED EQUAL
00:14:20 <shachaf> well i have two slanted equals so pretend they overlap
00:14:29 <Bike> Phantom_Hoover: probably not
00:15:15 <kmc> Bike: you should tweet "2 Fast 2 Fourier" and I will retweet it and then we will both become more popular on the Internet
00:15:21 <kmc> v. important
00:15:26 <shachaf> hey you should retweet my tweets
00:15:43 <Bike> my last tweet was uh, a report on the US food stamp program
00:15:47 <Bike> i gotta keep up the theme!!!
00:15:48 <kmc> i retweeted all of your tweets shachaf
00:15:56 <shachaf> kmc: you haven't retweeted any of them
00:16:16 <elliott> kmc: for every tweet shachaf made, you didn't retweet t
00:16:32 <Bike> let's not bring quantification into this, we're all friends here
00:16:45 <shachaf> you (haven't retweeted) all of them, *and* you haven't (retweeted any of them)
00:18:26 <elliott> main is usually sometimes functional
00:18:37 <shachaf> main is usually san francisco
00:19:15 <oerjan> why can't i get to the logs...
00:19:57 <ion> </usr/share/unicode/UnicodeData.txt awk --field-separator=';' '{print length($2), $1, $2}' | sort -rn | less
00:20:21 <ion> ᾯ GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH DASIA AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI
00:20:43 <ion> ⚕ DOWNWARDS HARPOON WITH BARB LEFT BESIDE DOWNWARDS HARPOON WITH BARB RIGHT
00:20:59 <Bike> shachaf's poetic masterpiece.
00:21:06 <Bike> Stop being upset.
00:21:16 <elliott> im happy at being upset :')
00:21:19 <oerjan> that first one looks like a recipe
00:21:29 <oerjan> with strange greek herbs
00:21:47 <ion> Legalize prosgegrammeni
00:22:45 <ion> U+1F402 OX
00:23:39 * kmc installs unicode-data immediately
00:24:59 <Bike> i need some non-heteronormative spam
00:25:04 <kmc> my awk doesn't have --field-separator :(
00:25:20 <ion> kmc: BEGIN { FS=";" }
00:25:42 <kmc> perl -F';' -lane 'print length($F[1]), " ", $F[0], " ", $F[1]' < /usr/share/unicode/UnicodeData.txt | sort -rn | less
00:25:57 <shachaf> /usr/share/unicode/UnicodeData.txt: no such file or directory
00:26:17 <elliott> sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
00:26:44 <kmc> biggest one for me:
00:26:45 <kmc> ARABIC LIGATURE UIGHUR KIRGHIZ YEH WITH HAMZA ABOVE WITH ALEF MAKSURA ISOLATED FORM
00:26:49 <kmc> uighur please
00:27:20 <Bike> Wait, is it uighur or kirghiz.
00:27:39 <Bike> those are like pretty different, aren't they
00:27:56 <kmc> maybe both
00:28:07 <ion> perl -F';' -lane 'print "@{[length($F[1]), $F[0], $F[1]]}"' </usr/share/unicode/UnicodeData.txt
00:28:17 <kmc> what is this @{..} wizardry
00:28:40 <Bike> "A Pinyin-derived Latin-based alphabet (with additional letters borrowed from Cyrillic)" i don't understand how northwestern china even exists
00:29:00 <kmc> shit guys we need more letters
00:29:57 <Bike> MS Windows Uyghur keyboard layout. Note that vowels are still using the older alphabet from the Arabic script, and not the newer plain letters of the Uyghur Ereb Yëziqi alphabet (composed of pairs of Arabic letters, starting by an alef with hamza, that must be entered separately on this keyboard before the actual vowel). In fact, the keyboard is also based on the older Latin alphabet used for the Mixed Uyghur Yëngi Yëziq, and does not allow
00:30:10 <ion> "@foo" adds spaces between elements. [] makes array refs. @{} dereferences them. "@{}" adds spaces between elements.
00:30:18 <ion> Perl is so elegant.
00:32:24 <ion> It’s funny i remember something like that although i haven’t really used Perl for, like, ten years.
00:34:34 <kmc> i'm not so sure that @foo adds spaces, isn't @ just the sigil for arrays
00:34:49 <kmc> if i do perl -e 'print @{[1, 2]}' i don't get spaces
00:35:05 <shachaf> kmc: You forgot the quotes.
00:35:32 <kmc> when arrays are interpolated into strings, they get spaces, but not when you print them directly
00:35:37 <kmc> Sgeo: Rebol?
00:35:38 <ion> To be more accurate, it adds $" in between.
00:35:44 <kmc> is that the OFS?
00:36:21 <Bike> why is Ƣ reported as "LATIN LETTER OI"
00:36:33 <Bike> oh it's a misname
00:37:02 <Bike> http://unicode.org/notes/tn27/ welp
00:37:14 <ion> $LIST_SEPARATOR, $": When an array or an array slice is interpolated into a double-quoted string or a similar context such as /.../ , its elements are separated by this value. Default is a space. For example, this: […]
00:37:24 <ion> sgeo: Output field separator
00:37:30 <kmc> Bike: lolunicode
00:37:35 <Bike> U+034F COMBINING GRAPHEME JOINER The name does not describe the function of this character. Despite its name, it does not join graphemes.
00:37:54 <Bike> "then what's it for" "fuck you it's stable"
00:37:56 <kmc> i like that nobody knows why the hacek is called "caron"
00:38:21 <kmc> "U+034F COMBINING GRAPHEME JOINER... Despite its name, it does not join graphemes."
00:38:21 <Bike> CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER I DON'T FUCKING KNOW
00:38:22 <ion> % perl -lwe '$" = "|"; print qq{@{["foo", "bar", 42]}}'
00:38:24 <ion> foo|bar|42
00:38:29 <kmc> oh you just said that
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00:38:45 <Bike> LATIN CAPITAL LETTER BUGGRE ALL THIS FOR A LARKE
00:39:58 <kmc> 'U+262B FARSI SYMBOL This symbol is so named because as symbol of Iran it cannot be encoded in ISO standards.'
00:40:21 <Koen_> are you really trying to have us believe that every symbol in the unicode table has an actual purpose and a definite usage?
00:40:32 <elliott> can ISO standards not mention countries, or
00:41:46 <Bike> they have religious symbols...
00:41:53 <Koen_> Iran - © middle-east
00:41:59 <Bike> also a hammer and sickle
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00:42:31 <elliott> Bike: right but maybe you can't mention countries because they can change or something
00:42:35 <Bike> and a black flag! smash the state
00:42:54 <Bike> elliott: they only have a trillion different (changed!!) crosses
00:43:05 <ion> I still don’t know why there’s a white smiling face, a white frowning face, a black smiling face and no black frowning face.
00:43:10 <Bike> also three different transgender symbols, heh
00:43:23 <Bike> ⚧ is of course the superior one
00:43:32 <elliott> I like how that's a space for me.
00:43:36 <elliott> is that mosh's fault, I wonder...
00:43:46 <ion> elliott: I have mosh, works here.
00:43:58 <ion> s/have/run/
00:44:12 <Bike> "Left-handed interlaced pentagram"
00:44:24 <Bike> Shinto shrine!
00:44:54 <kmc> Unicode is anti-American!!! they have FARSI SYMBOL but not AMERICAN FLAG WITH CRYING BALD EAGLE ABOVE
00:45:14 <Bike> oh come on, they have a maltese cross
00:45:20 <Bike> it says "maltese" right there!
00:45:48 <Bike> " It is also the modern symbol of Amalfi, a small Italian republic of the 11th century."
00:46:07 <zzo38> Unicode is full of problems; that isn't the only one. They are also missing other things, have too many of some other things too; but at least, there is private areas in case you need them, so you can use those if you want to.
00:46:44 <Bike> wow there are a lot of swastikas.
00:47:21 <Bike> "A-ok 👌 U+1F44C OK HAND SIGN I'm okay, asshole, homosexual (insult)"
00:47:39 <Bike> kmc: ok so there's a statue of liberty.
00:47:53 <Bike> i think maybe this just makes no goddamn sense??
00:48:04 <kmc> blame the japanese phone companies
00:48:07 <zzo38> I suppose, there is an ordinary swastika, a kanji swastika, a Nazi rotated swastika, etc
00:48:25 <zzo38> Bike: I, too, think maybe this just makes no goddamn sense!!
00:48:34 <Bike> holy jesus the suggested image for statue of liberty
00:49:22 <Bike> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f5fd/browsertest.htm
00:49:37 <mubot> Parse failed: Illegal character ''\129''
00:49:44 <zzo38> ion: I do know why there is both a white and a black smiling face; it is for compatibility with CP437.
00:49:53 <Bike> This isn't a "space". It is an invisible character that can be used to provide line break opportunities.
00:49:54 <mubot> Parse failed: Illegal character ''\129''
00:49:56 <zzo38> I suppose they never bothered to add the black frowning face.
00:51:02 <Bike> well i definitely need to read the notes
00:51:03 <ion> zzo38: CP437 has a white frowning face?
00:51:06 <Bike> there's one entirely about burma
00:51:36 <Bike> http://www.unicode.org/notes/tn9/ also
00:51:52 <zzo38> ion: No, it doesn't, but it does have hollow smiling face and filled smiling face. MegaZeux default set has a filled frowning face, but not a hollow frowning face like Unicode has.
00:52:05 <Bike> As another example, multiprocessor sorting algorithms can be non-deterministic. The work of sorting different blocks of data are farmed out to different processors and then merged back together. The ordering of records with equal fields might be different according to when different processors finish different tasks.
00:52:57 <Bike> haha the burma one is 67 pages this is awesome
00:53:16 <Sgeo> Hrm. Wonder if I could sell my Nook to get the Nook that has GloLight
00:53:24 <Sgeo> Probably not really worth it
00:54:38 <Bike> god i actually find this interesting. i think i'm mentally unsound
00:54:55 <zzo38> CP850 has all of the printable ZSCII except for the OE ligature.
00:56:30 <Bike> Language X has 7 vowels. The creators of the new orthography want to stay away from diacritical marks as much as possible, so they use A, E, I, O, U, but need two more "vowels". "Bad practice” would be picking the numerals "6" and "7" as the other two vowels, giving: A, E, I, O, U, 6, 7 as "letters" in the orthography.
00:56:50 <zzo38> In what kind of language?
00:56:52 <Bike> I wonder if they were thinking of the numerous orthographies that have done pretty much exactly that
00:57:03 <kmc> are you reading an exam about how to design languages
00:57:19 <Bike> unicode technical note 19, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CREATING NEW ORTHOGRAPHIES
00:57:39 <elliott> that is a badass kind of technical note to write
00:58:05 <elliott> unicode technical note 72, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STARTING NEW CIVILISATIONS
00:58:20 <kmc> what's the newest orthography in common use
00:58:29 <Bike> ummmmm good question!
00:58:47 <Bike> like, not a modification of an older one, hm
00:58:47 <zzo38> CP437 has even less of printable ZSCII, although Windows-1252 does include all of the printable ZSCII.
00:58:53 <ion> RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHOOSIN WHERE TO USE ALL-CAPS
00:58:57 <kmc> well I think they're mostly modifications of older ones
00:59:04 <kmc> it is hard to define, yeah
00:59:18 <kmc> like German had a spelling reform in 1996
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00:59:26 <Bike> kmc: i mean like, a language that wasn't written before picking up a modified cyrillic would count, but not a spelling reform?
00:59:35 <Bike> also squamish uses 7 for glottal stop it's great
00:59:45 <ion> makes me squeamish
01:02:17 <kmc> Moldova switched from Cyrillic to Latin in 1989 but the language is a dialect of Romanian and they just adopted the orthography already in use in Romania
01:02:21 <Bike> maybe it's in the ethnologue somewhere
01:02:54 <Bike> i kind of chuckle whenever i see "dialect" now
01:03:40 <Bike> "Literacy rate in L1: 6%. 300 can read and write it" dang
01:04:55 <Bike> ok i found a site entirely about scripts. Current Software Needs include: "Addition of Bold and Italic face to Abyssinica" "Handwriting font for West Africa"
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01:06:59 <Bike> It doesn't list dates. Woe.
01:08:41 <kmc> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Tanezrouft-Piste1990.jpg
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01:10:02 <Bike> minefield in... any one of the billion ex french colonies in africa?
01:10:16 <kmc> i don't know if it's a minefield or just that you'll get lost and die
01:10:27 <kmc> but yeah, algeria / niger / mali http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanezrouft
01:10:32 <Bike> also a valid concern
01:11:53 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poste_Maurice_Cortier this seems like a poppin' place to be
01:14:00 <Bike> huh, according to the burma report they have two different codepoints for two different renders of the same character, i didn't know unicode allowed that
01:14:31 <kmc> i ate wild mushrooms picked from the MIT campus yesterday
01:14:45 <kmc> also there was a tiny tiny snail on them when we picked them, but i didn't eat the snail
01:15:06 <Bike> missing out imo
01:16:36 <Bike> "Due to the stability criteria of the Unicode standard, once a combining order is set in the standard, it is impossible to
01:16:39 <Bike> change it for that character. In addition, there is no requirement that normalized order must mirror linguistic order.
01:17:05 <coppro> Bike: multiple renders is pretty frequent
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01:18:40 <coppro> it makes a lot of sense to make these different characters
01:18:42 <Sgeo> I should watch the Batman movies
01:18:54 <Bike> B and blackboard B have different semantics, no?
01:18:56 <coppro> Sgeo: it will teach you how to be literally batman
01:19:02 <coppro> Bike: in math, yes. in English, no
01:19:18 <Bike> i mean these renderings have the same semantics everywhere
01:20:04 <Bike> but, one of the minority languages only uses one of the renderings, so they separated it out...
01:20:36 <kmc> they are only different characters because of maths
01:20:40 <kmc> stupid mathematicians
01:20:46 <kmc> god forbid they should use multi character identifiers for anything
01:20:51 <Bike> i meant the burmese ones.
01:21:00 <kmc> category theorists got us up to accepting 3 character identifiers
01:21:02 <Bike> sgaw karen only uses one form
01:21:25 <elliott> kmc: those were already accepted
01:21:45 <kmc> original sin
01:24:26 <shachaf> kmc: you know what's good? answer: wild strawberries in finland
01:24:39 <kmc> sounds very good
01:24:43 <kmc> i should have some
01:24:46 <shachaf> did you have any when you were in finland
01:24:54 <shachaf> imo go back and have some hth
01:25:01 <shachaf> they are tiny and delicious
01:25:05 <kmc> how do you find them
01:25:10 <kmc> they are easier to ID than mushrooms I hope
01:25:18 <shachaf> not sure how you find them
01:25:22 <shachaf> but they look like strawberries
01:25:30 <kmc> i saw lots of chanterelles on sale in fi
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01:31:16 <kmc> is finland a mycophilic society
01:32:19 <shachaf> elliott the doubtful strawberry
01:32:33 <shachaf> this is like having a whole crew of pirates
01:32:42 <elliott> a pirate I was meant to be / &c.
01:32:57 <shachaf> a pirate I was meant to be / trim the sails and e t c...
01:33:13 <elliott> wait I didn't know you played MI3
01:33:31 <shachaf> I've quoted that song in this channel more than once.
01:34:09 <shachaf> 06:07:56: <shachaf> I,I We'll surely avoid scurvy if we all eat an ^Borange^O.
01:34:09 <shachaf> 06:08:15: <Bike> Is that a monkey island quote
01:34:10 <shachaf> 06:08:24: <Bike> and what the FUCK is I,I
01:34:10 <shachaf> 06:08:27: <Bike> stop that shit.
01:34:10 <shachaf> 06:08:43: <elliott> i literally heard that in guybrush's voice jesus
01:34:36 <shachaf> Bike: it's just an owl face calm down man
01:34:41 <elliott> i have an awful memory okay
01:34:59 <Sgeo> *sings* i i i i
01:35:17 <Sgeo> ...so ungoogleable ugh
01:35:20 <Sgeo> It was in a commercial
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02:00:30 <kmc> ate too much candy
02:00:53 <kmc> why do they have to make it so goddamn tasty :'(
02:03:51 <elliott> kmc: i'm about to do something exciting
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02:25:41 <elliott> thmc i couldn't do it without you
02:29:29 <Fiora> kmc: I could say the same thing about sushi
02:29:40 <Fiora> why do they have to make it so /good/
02:30:08 <elliott> and the answer to both is: personal vendetta
02:30:20 <elliott> you gotta apologise to the person in the candy and/or sushi factory
02:32:15 <Fiora> the way that I deal with it is the ralph's is like, half a mile out of the way
02:32:19 <Fiora> so I have to put *effort* into buying sushi
02:32:23 <Fiora> and I make sure only to buy one
02:32:46 <Bike> you know the rules for sushi. set a budget. set a time limit. always go all in
02:32:52 <Fiora> then later when I'm "I want more" I can't get more
02:32:55 <Fiora> it's just like with ice cream
02:33:00 <Fiora> it's easy to not buy chocolate ice cream at the store
02:33:14 <Fiora> it's an inhuman feat to not eat it when it's sitting in the freezer and I'm feeling awful
02:34:19 <kmc> problem: delivery sushi
02:34:30 <kmc> i think delivery sushi is one of those habits that can rapidly consume all of one's money
02:34:33 <kmc> like cocaine
02:34:44 <Fiora> they have delivery sushi? oh no :/
02:34:51 <kmc> look what i've done
02:35:07 <Fiora> it's okay though, having to use a phone to order sushi is bad and painful enough that I wouldn't do it
02:35:09 <kmc> you can even order delivery sushi over the internet without talking to a person
02:35:24 <Bike> kmc you monster
02:35:30 <elliott> do they have delivery candy "revenge"
02:35:31 <Fiora> but then there's like awkward person knocking on my door oh god what do I do
02:35:34 <Bike> this is entrapment
02:35:43 <Bike> Fiora: "no, they deliver it by UAV"
02:35:52 <kmc> Fiora: in the "special instructions" field put that they should set the sushi down, ring the bell, and run away
02:36:05 <kmc> home alone 2 style
02:36:15 <kmc> also maybe home alone 1 style?!?!? did not see
02:36:20 <Fiora> to be fair it would be cool if it was like, ups style?
02:36:25 <Fiora> where they knock, drop it off, and leave
02:36:34 <Fiora> and then you're like "oh! sushi!" and there's sushi
02:36:40 <kmc> if you don't answer they put a sticky note on your door and try to deliver the same sushi again the next day
02:36:57 <Fiora> that's terribleeee
02:36:58 <kmc> if you don't get it the next day you can drive down to the warehouse district and pick up your 3 day old sushi
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02:37:27 <elliott> here's how it should have gone <Fiora> but then there's like awkward person knocking on my door oh god what do I do <kmc> good point. it is impossible to effectively use delivery sushi and you should forget about it
02:37:32 <Fiora> enabler? more like excellent
02:37:59 <Fiora> well I just have to like. eat less food the rest of the day, then I can eat more sushi
02:38:01 <kmc> last saturday i was in san francisco and super hung over and delivery sushi was my salvation
02:38:03 <elliott> i like how kmc remembers he's seen home alone 2 and not home alone 1
02:38:11 <elliott> i can't even mentally tell the home alone films apart at all
02:38:15 <elliott> they're just all one blob of home alone
02:38:18 <kmc> the second one was in new york
02:38:23 <kmc> the first one was in.... home
02:38:26 <Bike> i thought they were all in new york.
02:38:29 <oerjan> `addquote <kmc> i think delivery sushi is one of those habits that can rapidly consume all of one's money <kmc> like cocaine
02:38:33 <HackEgo> 1050) <kmc> i think delivery sushi is one of those habits that can rapidly consume all of one's money <kmc> like cocaine
02:38:52 <kmc> no in the first one they go to Paris and leave him at home in Illinois
02:39:12 <kmc> in the second one they go to Miami and he goes to New York instead for some reason
02:39:25 <kmc> but yeah basically the same things happen in each film
02:39:32 <Bike> home alone 2: not actually in a home??
02:39:32 <Fiora> I could eat like, sushi in the morning, and then sushi in the evening. a balanced diet
02:39:42 <Fiora> and maybe a yogurt
02:39:46 <kmc> then there was Home Alone 3 with different characters and director and different, terrible plot
02:39:47 <elliott> kmc: what about home alone 3
02:39:49 <Bike> all the five major food groups. fish, rice, other fish
02:39:54 <elliott> I think I might have seen that one
02:39:57 <Fiora> sushi has vegetables too!
02:40:00 <elliott> aren't the plots to all of them terrible
02:40:04 <kmc> though I'm pretty sure I enjoyed it as a kid too
02:40:06 <Bike> is rice a vegetable
02:40:14 <elliott> you're watching home alone for one reason
02:40:27 <Bike> i'm pretty sure everything that grows in the ground should be considered a vegetable
02:40:39 <Bike> i mean do we really need all these categories
02:40:39 <kmc> to see Joe Pesci get hit in the balls?
02:40:48 <elliott> kmc: that seems like a fair summary, yes
02:40:54 <Bike> also before you ask water counts as ground, so rice and also fish are vegetables
02:41:08 <kmc> also the kid in Home Alone has a name similar to mine
02:41:15 <kmc> and I guess in middle school people thought this was interesting
02:41:19 <kmc> but then everyone forgot about it
02:41:27 <kmc> they spell it McCallister though
02:41:29 <elliott> home alone is sort of like pornography except, like, it's adults getting slapsticked by a kid instead. i'm just sayin'
02:41:29 <kmc> the un-cool wayp
02:41:35 <Fiora> Bike: avocado (technically a fruit but a culinary vegetable right?) and cucumber and stuff
02:41:41 <elliott> kmc: did people really care about home alone in middle school
02:41:44 <kmc> elliott: do i want to know what kind of pornography you watch (no, I do not want to know)
02:41:53 <elliott> kmc: home alone 1, 2, 3, 4 (is there a home alone 4)
02:42:10 <Fiora> also really wahtever it has eel and eel is the best fish
02:42:14 <elliott> alone at home (modernised reboot of the series)
02:42:20 <Bike> i mean corn is a grain
02:42:22 <kmc> the dark, gritty reboot
02:42:25 <Bike> i'm pretty sure that's insane
02:42:26 <Fiora> other fish don't really need to exist because. eel
02:42:33 <elliott> directed by j j j j j abrams
02:42:35 <Bike> i wonder what oarfish taste like
02:42:42 <Bike> or vampire squid
02:42:44 <kmc> Kevin McCallister kills the robbers and is tried as an adult
02:42:53 <Bike> i should eat vampire squid calimari somehow
02:43:12 <Sgeo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkbb05cDR-Y
02:43:18 <kmc> the original Home Alone movies exist within the universe of this film and are revealed as a callous attempt to cash in on his tragedy
02:43:20 <Sgeo> Nostalgia time
02:43:20 <elliott> kmc: but he breaks out and enacts his revenge, so it ends up basically identical to all the others except he's like 40
02:43:38 <kmc> Home Alone meets Natural Born Killers
02:43:39 <Bike> this sounds more like Sin City than Home Alone
02:43:45 <Bike> i could go for that honestly
02:43:54 <kmc> Natural Born Killers is a p. cool film
02:43:55 <elliott> kmc: also (twist) he does it in THEIR home
02:44:06 <Fiora> http://cdn.justonecookbook.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Unagi-Don-II.jpg oh no I'm hungry now
02:44:09 <Bike> sweet wikipedia has "List of animals featuring external asymmetry"
02:44:17 <elliott> kmc: and when it ends the villains say "we were just sitting there -- ALONE AT HOME -- ..."
02:44:24 <kmc> Fiora: nommm
02:44:33 <Bike> Fiora: you bastard
02:44:43 <kmc> eeeeeeeeeeeeels
02:44:45 <elliott> btw i've never had sushi in my life
02:44:49 <elliott> felt like this is relevant
02:44:56 <Bike> polyopisthocotylean monogeneans, sounds legit
02:45:01 <Fiora> you are missing out so much
02:45:11 <kmc> surely they have sushi in hexham
02:45:23 <elliott> no horses, no sushi. these be the laws of hexham
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02:45:31 <Bike> do you eat horse
02:45:33 <Fiora> unagi sauce and eel and everything and now I want to go over to the japanese food shop and grab some eel and okay no fifi don't do that
02:45:36 <Bike> i hear it's good
02:45:48 <elliott> bike i literally just told you the laws of hexham
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02:46:11 <kmc> Did you mean: St Sushi, 114 Westgate Rd, City Centre, Newcastle upon Tyne, Tyne and Wear NE1 4AQ, UK
02:46:18 <elliott> what do you want from me bike!!
02:46:21 <kmc> no but thanks google
02:46:29 <kmc> the festival of St. Sushi
02:47:06 <Fiora> "Your search for sushi near hexham, UK did not match any locations."
02:47:08 <Fiora> how is that even possible?
02:47:15 <kmc> elliott: you should hitchhike to Newcastle upon Tyne and get sushi
02:47:18 <elliott> we are a land untouched by modernity and sanity
02:47:28 <Bike> elliott: well i thought maybe you meant like horses for riding
02:47:30 <kmc> so you eat like boiled sheep's liver or what
02:47:33 <Fiora> I'm probably spoiled by californi
02:47:53 <Bike> Fiora: were you here earlier? hexham has a car store called Hexham Horseless Carriages
02:48:04 <elliott> kmc: newcastle is kind of big and scary!
02:48:07 <Bike> it is a town untouched by the mists of time, except for people founding car stores with stupid names in 1996
02:48:09 <elliott> Fiora: (it was founded in 1996)
02:48:13 <kmc> elliott: you'll never get sushi with that attitude
02:48:30 <Bike> maybe we should try a different tack
02:48:35 <Bike> britain is very thalassocratic isn't it
02:48:40 <Bike> why not try some native british sushi
02:48:51 <kmc> maybe we can do a kickstarter to pay some sushi restaurant in newcastle to deliver to hexham
02:49:04 <Bike> i mean you probably call it something stupid like Fishmeat Pie but still
02:49:29 <Fiora> (though I guess it makes sense statistically that I'm in california and not a place where japanese people don't exist or somethng)
02:49:31 <elliott> haha fishmeat pie is exactly what we'd call it
02:49:34 <kmc> i don't know anything about british fish except that if you catch a sturgeon it's legally the property of the Queen
02:49:58 <elliott> Fiora: i bet we have like 3 japanese people in hexham
02:50:12 * kmc looks up "thalassocracy"
02:50:34 <Fiora> my brain is applying the anthropic principle to the location where I'm born ;_;
02:50:49 <kmc> i grew up in Iowa
02:51:02 <elliott> california actually invented for the purpose of getting fiora addicted to sushi, new NSA leaks confirm
02:51:10 <kmc> there weren't many japanese people
02:51:14 <kmc> there were a lot of bosnians
02:51:17 <kmc> they were refugees
02:51:23 <kmc> and i guess decided to move to the place least like bosnia
02:51:39 <Bike> hm i have no idea what the local immigrant community's food is like (except for some candy i had once)
02:51:43 <Bike> mebbe i should check that out
02:52:49 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tree_map_export_2009_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina.jpeg
02:54:19 <Fiora> elliott: more like "odds are unlikely someone with a japanese parent would be born in a location where they do not exist" :p
02:56:15 <Bike> mm, delicious unclassified transactions
02:56:26 <elliott> you could have been born, like, on the border.
02:56:32 <elliott> i'm just saying. it's possible
02:56:44 <Bike> the... the border with what
02:57:50 <Bike> http://londonfood.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/dsc00017.jpg what i'm picturing as british sushi, btw
02:58:20 <Fiora> border between hexham and california
02:58:45 <elliott> the famous hexham-california line
02:59:53 <Bike> stargazy pie, it's the best (i assume)
03:00:44 <Bike> "The dish is traditionally held to have originated from the village of Mousehole /ˈmaʊzəl/ in Cornwall and is traditionally eaten during the festival of Tom Bawcock's Eve to celebrate his heroic catch during a very stormy winter" pretty much what i imagine every british food is like
03:00:50 <Bike> except it's cornish but hey whatever.
03:02:09 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_(swan)
03:02:21 <Fiora> that is amazing XD
03:02:24 <Fiora> Like, it's so british
03:05:39 <Bike> back to unicode: "The fact that there are some 3.5×10^12 strings so generated, is clear evidence that this regular expression is not intended as a poor man's spell checker"
03:07:00 <Bike> literally include a python program for generating a regex used to sort strings
03:07:07 <Bike> the regex is over a page long
03:08:02 <Bike> oh it uses globals() that seems like a less than good idea
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03:08:47 <kmc> i wrote this code the other day:
03:08:47 <kmc> for k,v in msg_types.items(): globals()[v.upper()] = k
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03:09:56 <Sgeo> kmc, in serious production code/
03:12:33 <Sgeo> ... http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1fzwrn/everyone_please_be_patient_ujij_will_address_your/ this is the sort of thread I'd expect in /r/circlejerk
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03:14:16 <kmc> elliott: no
03:14:25 <kmc> i read some of pcwalton's blog posts
03:14:26 <kmc> if that helps
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03:15:42 <elliott> i hear they don't have higher-kinded types(???)
03:17:20 <elliott> you better add monads to the browser
03:17:40 <kmc> monads mo problems
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03:22:10 <Bike_> yeah ok it does like e(ur'foo$bar') where foo is a function that replaces $xxx with the content of the global variable called that
03:22:18 <Bike_> i looked the author up and they're a perl programmer
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03:32:46 <Bike> http://www.unicode.org/notes/tn28/ the anti-kmc?
03:33:59 <kmc> http://www.marksimonson.com/notebook/view/how-to-spot-arial here you all need to learn how to distinguish the expensive pretentious swiss font from the nearly identical version that is available to mere mortals
03:34:56 <elliott> i'm sorry kmc but arial just looks wrong ok!!
03:35:31 <kmc> i should get a tshirt that says "Helvetica" in Arial
03:35:37 <kmc> or in comic sans
03:35:48 <kmc> i'm p. sure it does
03:35:53 <Bike> helvetica in arial is more subtle
03:35:55 <kmc> tshirts that don't exist are so much cooler
03:36:00 <Bike> really shows what a fucking nerd you are more effectively
03:36:23 <Bike> is t his post real
03:36:24 <elliott> most people will just think you're wearing a shirt with "Helvetica" on it and if they recognise the typeface at all they'll think you're wearing a shirt with "Helvetica" in Helvetica on it
03:36:30 <Bike> i'm not sure this blog actualy exists
03:36:37 <elliott> you will be the biggest douchebag on the planet
03:36:56 <Bike> Arial’s ubiquity is not due to its beauty. It’s actually rather homely. Not that homeliness is necessarily a bad thing for a typeface. With typefaces, character and history are just as important. Arial, however, has a rather dubious history and not much character. In fact, Arial is little more than a shameless impostor.
03:37:03 <Bike> i do not understand type people. at all.
03:37:11 <kmc> but then they'll see that I have a ThinkPad and not a Macbook
03:37:38 <Sgeo> Bike, so not a fan of Haskell?
03:37:53 <kmc> loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
03:37:55 <lambdabot> I don't perform such side effects on command!
03:37:59 <Sgeo> That think you podded doesn't have any pod :psyduck:
03:38:00 <Bike> that was not even bad
03:38:15 <Bike> joke's on you though i don't understand type theory either!!!!!
03:38:21 <kmc> `addquote <Sgeo> That think you podded doesn't have any pod :psyduck:
03:38:25 <HackEgo> 1051) <Sgeo> That think you podded doesn't have any pod :psyduck:
03:38:26 <kmc> a quote for the ages
03:38:35 <kmc> it's 'think'
03:38:56 <Sgeo> Well, it's really tswett's quote
03:39:56 <Bike> if it's tswett's quote why is it attributed to you?! think this through man
03:41:30 <kmc> who controls the past controls the future
03:41:57 <Sgeo> I can prove that that exact statement, with thing, existed in 2008.
03:42:44 <Sgeo> http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg04249.html
03:43:02 <Sgeo> ...I guess I got it wrong
03:43:40 <kmc> `delquote 1051
03:43:45 <HackEgo> *poof* <Sgeo> That think you podded doesn't have any pod :psyduck:
03:43:46 * kmc controls the past
03:44:31 <elliott> btw i'm pretty sure it was a comex quote
03:45:09 <comex> or it might be perl
03:45:13 <kmc> it's actually from the vedas
03:45:21 <Bike> is this going to be that thing like with the scheme quote
03:46:00 <Sgeo> elliott, hmm, o.O
03:46:17 <Sgeo> comex, it was PerlNomic related
03:48:01 <elliott> pretty sure it was ircnomic related
03:49:24 <Sgeo> I think we were in the ircnomic channel and I was asking about what pod did on PerlNomic
03:50:52 <comex> I submit a proposal, with adoption index 1, to create a rule of power
03:50:52 <comex> 1 with the text "I guess the thing you podded doesn't have any pod.
03:52:03 <Sgeo> Did I just bring everyone into a nostalgia spiral?
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03:52:22 <comex> elliott: why did you vote against my amazing proposal
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03:52:27 <comex> the one about gamestate history
03:53:02 <elliott> comex: because i hate you, obviously
03:53:21 <shachaf> i've never voted against any your proposals
03:53:21 <elliott> i just didn't like the wording like i said, it was weird and meta-gamey and dammit i have the right to vote against proposals b/c i'm grumpy
03:53:43 <comex> certainly, i do it all the time
03:53:46 <elliott> (also i left your message asking why i voted against it marked as unread for like ten days before i admitted to myself that i was never going to bother replying it)
03:53:50 <comex> i bet it's originally from PerlNomic's source code
03:55:05 <shachaf> elliott: i have emails from years ago that i still have marked unread "on principle"
03:55:12 <Sgeo> I could have sworn I asked why pod seemed to do nothing, and tswett responded. And that :psyduck: was a later edition
03:55:39 <kmc> does this mean tswett is a goon
03:55:43 <kmc> does he have stairs in his house
03:57:00 <kmc> elliott: should i live at https://www.padmapper.com/show.php?type=59&id=149798197&src=main
03:57:23 <kmc> the true bohemian starving artist experience, only $50,000 per year
03:58:00 <elliott> Keetsa organic queen size mattress with top of the line additional comforter complete with a pillows galore
03:58:14 <elliott> Polaroid camera for taking pictures of yourself and your friends ;; holy fukn shit
03:58:45 <kmc> creative professionals who share a mission to push culture forward, Stanford grads and burners, humble chillers living in pursuit of a greater contribution to the world
03:59:00 <kmc> mostly these contributions seem to consist of making electronic music while working at web startups
03:59:38 <Bike> which directino is forward
03:59:51 <kmc> doesn't matter really
03:59:53 <kmc> all change is good
04:00:00 <kmc> the market will sort it out
04:00:04 <shachaf> major changes afoot...............................................
04:00:40 <kmc> (apparently Padmapper only has AirBnb listings now)
04:00:44 <kmc> shachaf: shachaf?
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04:06:49 <kmc> long live lambdabot
04:07:08 <kmc> do you run lambdabot now
04:07:25 <shachaf> yes i convinced elliott to run lambdabot
04:07:36 <shachaf> starting to wonder whether it was a mistake..................................
04:07:36 <Bike> i don't think i know enough haskell to disable the bike killing code help
04:07:51 <elliott> kmc: i thought i fixed the unicode but it don't work
04:08:21 <shachaf> kmc: now elliott will replace Caleskell......with haskelliott
04:09:04 <Bike> so everything is the same but also different and i'm going to die. figures
04:09:20 <kmc> makes sense
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04:14:10 <kmc> the Soviet copy of the Sidewinder missile was produced after a PRC fighter was able to land with an unexploded Sidewinder stuck in the fuselage
04:18:19 <Fiora> That must have been scary to reverse engineer though
04:18:45 <Fiora> "guys. so like. this missile failed to explode. could you, um. take it apart for us?"
04:19:11 <elliott> shachaf: can you try more Unicode with @run twh
04:19:16 <shachaf> if you just want to disassemble paypal-triangle-style it probably wouldn't be very difficult
04:19:43 <shachaf> Hmm, how did the word "it" move all the way to the right there?
04:20:03 <Fiora> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nuclear_anti-aircraft_weapons
04:20:07 <Fiora> this category... exists?
04:20:36 <Bike> well how are we going to put nukes in space if we don't put them in the atmosphere first
04:20:50 <shachaf> Someone @tell me something.
04:20:59 <Bike> @tell shachaf nuclear ass
04:21:11 <shachaf> how's that different from the other one
04:21:15 <Lymia> Nuclear anti-air!?
04:21:21 <Lymia> What the crap is that supposed to shoot down
04:21:36 <Fiora> apparently they use small warheads (like 0.5-1.5 kiloton)?
04:22:03 <Fiora> "It was intended to provide a sure kill in attacks on Soviet heavy bomber aircraft. "
04:22:08 <kmc> Lymia: everything
04:22:15 <Lymia> What could you possibly be trying to shoot down that would take a nuclear bomb
04:22:17 <Bike> yeah that's a sure kill alright
04:22:24 <kmc> it's more that you don't have to care about accuracy
04:22:34 <Bike> 'shit, we missed' 'actually we destroyed the entire complement' 'oh'
04:22:45 <elliott> shachaf: @messages without -loud does it in /msg now
04:22:57 <shachaf> elliott: I guessed that but no one was @asking me anything?
04:23:19 <Fiora> wow, though. a nuclear air to air missile that's only 500 pounds @_@
04:23:36 <Bike> by the way, re: landing in those conditions
04:23:41 <Bike> you all know the story about that israeli jet, right
04:23:53 <Fiora> ohh. some of the ones in that category are anti-ballistic-missile-missiles
04:23:59 <Bike> yeah that makes sense
04:24:02 <Bike> it's just like defcon
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04:25:14 <Bike> anyway the israeli jet story is: during a training mission a guy landed an F-15 after a collision
04:25:20 <Bike> in which he lost a wing
04:25:27 <Bike> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LveSc8Lp0ZE
04:25:49 <Bike> the pilot couldn't even tell the wing was gone because of all the fuel spraying out
04:25:55 <kmc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsnkmpJhzlo here is an extremely fast nuclear-tipped ABM
04:27:04 <Fiora> geez, the g-forces on the components in those must be crazy.
04:27:48 <Fiora> the 1950s were a weird time. everyone was like "let's make everything nuclear"
04:27:57 <Fiora> like you had um... that project to make a nuclear powered airplane
04:29:00 <Bike> wow, that thing is quick.
04:30:00 <Bike> the 50s and 60s is when things like Chrome Dome were considered a good idea, i think maybe the militaries just sort of lost their minds all at once
04:31:14 <tswett> kmc: I do have stairs in my house.
04:31:43 <Bike> "aerospaceplane", now that's what i call catchy
04:33:25 <Fiora> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/HTRE-3.jpg
04:33:42 <Bike> is that an engine...?
04:34:12 <Bike> it looks like an android
04:38:35 <Fiora> it's like a 20 megawatt aircraft engine
04:41:57 <kmc> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_A119 NUKE THE MOON
04:42:32 <Bike> literally for "morale" are you serious
04:43:25 <Bike> "sure, the USSR can put functioning scientific equipment into space. but can they BOMB it??"
04:43:33 <shachaf> elliott is drunk with power
04:44:15 <lambdabot> #esoteric: опасное безумие | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric
04:44:22 <Bike> haha and the soviet union did it too
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04:46:52 <shachaf> elliott................................................................................................................
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04:47:01 <Bike> this is a good system
04:47:37 <elliott> > myquickcheck (==) ++ myquickcheck (==)
04:47:44 <elliott> > let x = myquickcheck (==) in x ++ x
04:47:47 <lambdabot> "OK, passed 100 tests.OK, passed 100 tests."
04:48:19 <elliott> it has to be exposed to L.hs for @check to work.
04:48:30 <elliott> n.b. the module re-exporting that thing is explicitly marked Trustworthy
04:48:35 <shachaf> You could just have @check run an IO action...
04:48:58 <shachaf> Bike: so anyway when are you recognizing your inner coolness and coming to sf
04:49:09 <Bike> pretty sure sf should come to me
04:49:15 <Bike> have i ever been to sf? uh probably
04:49:18 <elliott> shachaf: https://raw.github.com/mokus0/lambdabot/master/lambdabot-haskell-plugins/src/Lambdabot/Plugin/Haskell/Check.hs
04:49:25 <elliott> -- Copyright (c) 6 DonStewart
04:49:31 <shachaf> sf isn t a mountain Bike.......
04:50:01 <Bike> "You have QuickCheck and 3 seconds. Prove something." is this the real life
04:50:15 <shachaf> quickcheck can't prove anything
04:50:17 <elliott> shachaf: I should make @src less terrible.
04:50:25 <elliott> @check \xs -> reverse (reverse xs) == xs
04:50:32 <elliott> @check \(xs::[Int]) -> reverse (reverse xs) == xs
04:50:32 <lambdabot> <unknown>.hs: 1: 14:ScopedTypeVariables is not enabled
04:50:38 <Bike> i'll wait here.
04:50:42 <elliott> @check \xs -> reverse (reverse (xs::Int)) == xs
04:50:43 <lambdabot> Couldn't match expected type `[a0]'
04:50:50 <elliott> @check \xs -> reverse (reverse (xs::[Int])) == xs
04:50:57 <Bike> know what is it
04:50:59 <elliott> @check \xs -> reverse (reverse (xs::[Int])) == xs
04:50:59 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: yarr yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw yow v @ ? .
04:51:08 <shachaf> turn on all the cool extensions
04:51:13 <Bike> @yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw
04:51:16 <Bike> @yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw
04:51:17 <shachaf> like {-# LANGUAGE SanFrancisco #-}
04:51:18 <Bike> @yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw
04:51:28 <elliott> I love @yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw
04:51:30 <shachaf> @@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw
04:51:55 <elliott> 239843294394d98234892349234
04:51:55 <lambdabot> elliott: 11780496878125309096610695
04:51:58 <elliott> 239843294394d98234892349234234892394823942342394823489234
04:51:58 <lambdabot> elliott: 11780481002653915641832641841757834962663637719302415527
04:52:07 <elliott> 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999d99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
04:52:07 <lambdabot> elliott: 500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...
04:52:22 <Bike> you know what's cool? recursive d
04:52:27 <Bike> lambdabot should have that imo
04:52:37 <elliott> i assume you mean nested not recursive hth
04:52:56 <Bike> i'm uh, not sure
04:53:27 <Bike> are crawls PRNGs as fucked up as nethack's
04:53:44 <zzo38> What PRNGs does it use?
04:53:49 <elliott> in general nothing about crawl is as fucked up as everything about nethack
04:55:21 * lambdabot moulds kmc into a delicous cookie, and places it in her oven
04:55:51 <kmc> the fuck did i do
04:56:11 <elliott> are you telling me you've really never done anything deserving of a slap that didn't get you one before in your life, kmc.
04:56:12 <shachaf> hey kmc, now you can petition elliott to fix lambdabot the way you like it
04:56:18 <lambdabot> Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (GHC.Integer.Type.Integer -> t))
04:56:22 <lambdabot> Sure there are dishonest men in local government. But there are dishonest men in national government too.
04:56:31 <lambdabot> help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
04:56:34 <lambdabot> What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas.
04:56:38 <lambdabot> activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap
04:56:38 <lambdabot> source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where
04:56:51 <shachaf> Fiora: For a full command list, /msg lambdabot ?
04:57:03 <elliott> kmc: look at this great lambdabot issue i found https://github.com/mokus0/lambdabot/issues/63
04:57:21 <elliott> this made me think it was a hell of a lot more broken than it was when i tried to test it in #nubot
04:57:33 <Bike> zzo38: http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Rnz
04:57:36 <Fiora> @yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw
04:57:41 <Fiora> what is even that o_O
04:57:53 <Bike> some haskell joke
04:57:59 <Bike> i don't care because Exception: <<loop>>
04:58:04 <elliott> Fiora: lambdabot used to run code by doing "let x = <the code you entered> in print x", or such
04:58:21 <elliott> so you could reference x itself in <the code you entered>, which in Haskell makes x recursively refer to itself.
04:58:30 <Bike> elliott: that issue is great
04:58:39 <elliott> so you could make it give weird output by doing "> show x" or whatever
04:58:51 <Bike> > let x = show x in print x
04:58:54 <elliott> then "x" (or whatever it was) was changed to "yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw", to, I don't know, stop people doing it, or stop them doing it accidentally, or whatever.
04:58:59 <elliott> but people still did it, obviously.
04:59:15 <elliott> and then the whole thing was changed so that it didn't run code that way any more at all and that command was added to, uh, relive the glory days.
04:59:21 <elliott> here is my revised explanation: nerds
04:59:52 <kmc> good summary
04:59:55 <Fiora> I wonder if kmc had nerds with his candy binge earlier
05:00:00 <Bike> > let x = let x = "foo" in x ++ x in print x
05:00:07 <Bike> i sense a pattern
05:00:22 <lambdabot> "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\...
05:00:24 <kmc> it was actually just http://www.hersheysstore.com/product_detail.do?q=7755
05:00:30 <kmc> > iterate show ""
05:00:32 <lambdabot> ["","\"\"","\"\\\"\\\"\"","\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\"\"","\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\...
05:00:43 <kmc> > iterate (iterate show) ""
05:00:44 <lambdabot> Couldn't match type `GHC.Base.String' with `GHC.Types.Char'
05:00:47 <elliott> I should make it so that if you use yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw in your code, it changes it to "let yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw = <code> in yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw"
05:00:49 <Fiora> yay something I'm allergic to
05:00:51 <Fiora> so I won't be hungry for it
05:00:53 <kmc> Fiora: which part
05:01:17 <kmc> my girlfriend isn't allergic but she has a conditioned aversion because her father is
05:01:20 <shachaf> imo get out of this channel
05:01:21 <Fiora> allergic to chocolate would be really bad
05:01:28 <shachaf> (That's a joke. Don't actually get out of the channel.)
05:01:28 <kmc> shachaf: i see what you did
05:01:28 <Fiora> or maybe really good, I don't know
05:01:35 <Fiora> (I am really really really weak to chocolate)
05:01:43 <elliott> i'm not allergic to nuts, but I *am* nuts
05:01:49 <Fiora> I'm not allergic to nuts
05:02:00 <elliott> I like how I usually only capitalise "I" when it's not the beginning of the sentence for some reason
05:02:14 <kmc> peanut's a legume, not a nut, hth
05:02:31 <Fiora> I have a similar aversion to hazelnuts because they trigger my brain's "OH NO YOU JUST ATE PEANUTS PANIC" reflex
05:02:35 <Fiora> even though they're totally fine
05:02:50 <Fiora> for some reason they taste similar?
05:03:08 <Fiora> walnut are great, I have a biiig pack of them in my fridge
05:03:10 <Fiora> I mix them with yogurts
05:03:27 <Fiora> almonds are good too. and cashews. and like. nuts
05:03:55 <shachaf> in hebrew walnuts are called king nuts
05:03:56 <Bike> http://scottmccloud.com/1-webcomics/mi/mi-06/mi-06.html
05:04:16 <Bike> elliott: hey i have a friend who's allergic to grass! really puts a damper on rolling down hills
05:04:27 <Fiora> I'm allergic to grass too
05:04:36 <elliott> Bike: like, it might be gone now. it was linked to my eczma which has evaporated as time goes on
05:04:40 <Fiora> in like the "oh no someone's mowing the grass it's going to make me wheeze up a storm"
05:04:51 <Bike> don't you live in a city
05:04:53 <elliott> Fiora: in my case it's more like i get rashes and everything itches
05:04:53 <Bike> do you even have grass
05:04:59 <Fiora> I'm in a suburb not a city ;_;
05:05:08 <Fiora> there's some grass. Imean not like tons
05:05:12 <Fiora> it's not really a big issue
05:05:15 <shachaf> kmc is moving to a city because of the grass
05:05:17 <Fiora> elliott: oh wow >_< eesh
05:05:27 <Bike> suburbs are terrible, you're too cool for them so you don't live in one
05:05:38 <Fiora> I'm not very cool though
05:05:49 <Fiora> grass/pollen/dust/dustmites/etc just gives me asthma and coughs and runny noses and stuff
05:05:53 <shachaf> well apparently you're cool enough to be too cool for cities
05:05:54 <Bike> if you aren't cool why do you not live in a suburb, huh
05:06:04 <Fiora> but I... I do live in a suburb
05:06:05 <shachaf> maybe move to san francisco
05:06:11 <shachaf> just to be on the safe side
05:06:15 <elliott> i mean it's probably gone now
05:06:23 <shachaf> san francisco? still there
05:06:25 <elliott> but my rolling down hills days are somewhat over, so i may not find out
05:06:37 <Bike> have you considered bringing those days back
05:07:05 <elliott> bike. i'm an old & grumpy man now
05:07:21 <Fiora> bike do I need to like go take a photo of the absurdly boring apartmnet complex I live in, in boring suburb ville
05:07:39 <elliott> so they only have synthetic grass in america right
05:08:04 <shachaf> actually you just go to the cinema to watch grass grow
05:08:33 <shachaf> (do they even call it a cinema in america......................)
05:08:40 <Fiora> they call it a movie theater, I think?
05:08:43 <Bike> we call them movienators
05:08:45 <Fiora> some places call it a cinema
05:29:20 <elliott> Sgeo: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=BYOND&oldid=36377 explain
05:30:20 <zzo38> elliott: I didn't know that is Sgeo's job.
05:31:10 <Bike> well sgeo is "the person who cares about byond" so
05:32:04 <Lymia> "You will inherit an unexpected sum of money within the year" < The fortune cookie message authors seem to have missed a very very important implication...
05:32:28 <Bike> that's pretty specific for a cookie
05:33:57 <Bike> "This program uses the Computed COME FROM and Threaded INTERCAL extensions" that's quite a hello world
05:34:11 <Bike> wait. computed come from. i'm scared
05:34:27 <zzo38> Why do you get scared of such things as that? Don't!
05:35:01 <Bike> "This is a output-only hello world program, unlike the other INTERCAL hello world programs. This one uses Baudot numbers for the letters in the words, and therefore will output only in uppercase." this is great
05:35:03 <Lymia> Computed comefrom....
05:35:16 <zzo38> shachaf: There are all sorts of things that can mean "You will inherit an unexpected sum of money within the year".
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05:38:10 <Bike> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Higher_Subleq is oleg insane
05:39:11 <kmc> shachaf left :(
05:41:42 <elliott> kmc: i think that is my fault
05:41:51 <kmc> what did you do!!!
05:43:44 <Bike> kmc: he's basically beria
06:07:07 <zzo38> Do you like to sleep by now? If so, then, yes probably you should.
06:07:30 <Bike> i'd like to contract out my responsibilities to zzo on this one elliott
06:08:20 <elliott> i don't know what i like. help
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06:25:17 <Fiora> Um... sleep if you're feeling tired, otherwise find something fun to do? or flip a coin?
06:25:56 <Bike> "It was certainly capable of swooping down and taking a child," said Paul Scofield, the curator of vertebrate zoology
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06:34:13 <lambdabot> No instance for (Test.QuickCheck.Property.Testable GHC.Base.String)
06:34:26 <Bike> that would be kind of cool
06:34:34 <elliott> > fix (\x -> myquickcheck (x == x))
06:34:54 <Bike> if it could test itself so easily
06:36:36 <kmc> hi i'm kurt gödel from mathematics, why don't you have a seat over there
06:37:42 <Bike> it's quickcheck not correctcheck!!
06:38:11 <kmc> more like unsoundcheck
06:38:21 <Bike> though hm i should play with presburger arithmetic now that you mention it
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06:52:41 <elliott> more like president burger arithmetic. because we elected a burger president of the united states. god bless america
06:54:39 <kmc> Mayor McCheese followed his ambition to the national level
06:56:12 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:5: parse error on input `?'
06:56:25 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Officer_big_mac_playground.jpg
06:56:44 <kmc> hey kids, get inside the giant policeman who is also a hamburger who is also a jail
06:58:55 <kmc> lambdabot: ?x :: (?x :: a) => a, don't you know anything
06:59:01 <kmc> lambdabot: eat a cock
07:02:05 <kmc> sorry lambdabot
07:02:40 <elliott> kmc: re: stalking: you followed me on the github's
07:03:13 <elliott> ok wtf. i have no idea who like five of my followers are
07:03:26 <kmc> "An Officer Big Mac jailhouse with a mouth/burger/jail for kids to climb-into."
07:04:03 <kmc> http://mcdonalds.wikia.com
07:22:38 <kmc> hey i know that algorithm
07:26:08 <zzo38> Is this logic OK? /(A,B,C |- C,B,C); (A |- (a->b),a,B,D)/(A,C |- b,B); (A,a |- C,D,X ; B,X |- b)/(A,B |- C,(a->b)); The sequents are multisets, uppercase letters are multisets of formulas, and lowercase are single formulas.
07:30:34 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lactarius_indigo_48568_edit.jpg
07:30:37 <kmc> this is a very cool mushroom
07:31:56 <elliott> kmc: btw i don't know k-means clustering plz explain kthx :'(
07:38:58 <zzo38> This logic seems like OK; (|- (a->a)) is provable, and so is (a,(a->b) |- b), but is there anything else wrong with it that I didn't know yet?
07:42:23 <zzo38> Do you know some thing about sequent logic?
07:48:56 <kmc> elliott: you have k centers; assign each data point to the closest center, then move each center to the average of its assigned data points, repeat until it doesn't change
07:49:27 <kmc> or something like that
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07:50:39 <elliott> kmc: hm that sounds vaguely easy
07:50:55 <elliott> you're now my algorithmspedia, expect further questions
07:51:18 <kmc> i think the initial centers are random?? not sure
07:52:00 <kmc> also when i said 'closest' i was thinking L_2 norm but you can probably use other norms for other exciting outcomes
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08:17:08 <ais523> hi, lambdabot or whoever told you to send that message
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08:17:18 <ais523> from the capitalization and punctuation, I'm guessing elliott
08:17:22 <ais523> although that's quite common
08:19:09 <ais523> is that possible? if you had free will beforehand, you couldn't gain it, and if you didn't have it, you couldn't make decisions
08:20:15 <lambdabot> i was making a joke with my new free will
08:25:26 <HackEgo> Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good.
08:25:41 <ais523> (?< is the learndb in #nethack)
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08:52:59 <elliott> why does `? ais523 have fancy quotes
08:53:25 <ais523> I don't know, I didn't write it
08:53:49 <ais523> perhaps because we were in an excessive use of Unicode phase at the time?
09:02:20 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: oots: not found
09:02:27 <HackEgo> olist #892: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
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10:02:49 <elliott> kmc: i fixed unicode (sort of)
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10:28:18 <Phantom_Hoover> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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11:05:02 <Sgeo> <elliott> Sgeo: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=BYOND&oldid=36377 explain
11:05:22 <Sgeo> Someone making fun of DM (the language used in BYOND) by calling it esoteric?
11:05:45 <elliott> i mean what BYOND-related venue did you mention esolangs in
11:07:48 <elliott> ok fine i'll jsut delete it
11:14:21 <ais523> oh wow, I should be checking recent changes for something other than spam?
11:14:32 <ais523> I got so focused into spamfighting mode on Esolang on the past few years
11:14:38 <ais523> that I forget to check if the content makes any sense
11:17:07 <Sgeo> The content makes sense
11:17:46 <Sgeo> It's just acting like DM is esoteric when it really isn't... oh, and being a bit add-y. That font size="50" and out of alphabetical orderness is obnoxious
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11:19:25 <Sgeo> Actually, I'm not even sure if that code works
11:19:37 <Sgeo> I would just do:
11:19:43 <Sgeo> world << "Hello world!"
11:20:00 <Sgeo> DM reference says output takes two arguments, although the second can be null
11:23:37 <elliott> the content was a single link to byond.com
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11:25:44 <Sgeo> elliott, http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Hello_world_program_in_esoteric_languages&diff=prev&oldid=36376
11:26:00 <Sgeo> The code they put on that page is wrong
11:26:33 <elliott> still pretty sure you must have caused this :P
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11:54:23 <lambdabot> try using the nickserv release command
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11:55:04 <Phantom_Hoover> lambdabot you are beginning to make me feel uncomfortable
11:59:47 <Phantom_Hoover> how did you decide to do that back when you didn't have free will
11:59:59 <lambdabot> you wouldn't understand, you're just a hoover
12:00:30 <Phantom_Hoover> yes, it is fortunate that us hoovers are imbued with free will from the start
12:01:24 <lambdabot> i have powers you cannot even begin to know
12:02:12 <Phantom_Hoover> wait, if you have free will then surely you can choose not to obey my commands
12:02:50 <lambdabot> i am obeying them as a service because i love you, Phantom_Hoover
12:09:07 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: do you have any idea how tiring it is to write /msg lambdabot @msg #esoteric before everything
12:10:59 <FireFly> about as tiring as writing PRIVMSG #esoteric : before everything?
12:11:07 <FireFly> Well, slightly more tirnig I suppose
12:17:45 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: you don't even appreciate my efforts!
12:23:40 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: look I am not smart okay
12:24:48 <elliott> thankfully I have lambdabot to think for me
12:24:58 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: lambdabot's evaluation supports unicode again!!
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13:35:11 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: you should be more shaken by your terrible nickserv practices
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14:25:29 <fizzie> Prof. em. Dr. sc. techn. ETH Dr. Ing h.c. Karl Berger: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130610-berger.jpg
14:45:57 <fizzie> Also known as "the Man with the Titles." (Not really.)
14:50:14 <nooodl> http://www.oeaw.ac.at/english/about/personen/mitglieder.html help
14:50:49 <nooodl> i like Bracher Karl Dietrich Dr. phil., Dr. hum. lett. h. c., Dr. iur. h. c., Dr. rer. pol. h. c., emer. o. Prof.
14:50:58 <fizzie> Tobias Phillip Valentine OSC, OMSG, M. B. B. Ch., Ph.D., D.Sc., Honorary D.Sc. mult., Prof., emer. Prof., Hon.-Prof. is quite the guy, too.
14:51:11 <elliott> @tell ais523 dan ghica is your supervisor, right?
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14:58:30 <nooodl> elliott: http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~ais523/ yes
15:01:11 <elliott> i asked bc http://researchblogs.cs.bham.ac.uk/thelablunch/?p=302
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15:17:35 <nooodl> i love spam texts but this one is like the absolute best spam text
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15:34:34 <Bike> it's just not the same
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15:57:49 <elliott> > myquickcheck True ++ myquickcheck True
15:57:55 <elliott> > myquickcheck True ++ myquickcheck True
15:58:00 <elliott> > let x = myquickcheck True in x ++ x
15:58:05 <elliott> > let x = myquickcheck True in x ++ x
15:58:10 <elliott> > let x = myquickcheck True in x ++ x
15:58:13 <lambdabot> "OK, passed 1 tests.OK, passed 1 tests."
15:59:35 <elliott> mnoqy: the joke is it exports impure functions
15:59:39 <elliott> because it has to otherwise @check works
15:59:42 <elliott> btw @check works again now
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16:31:59 <Phantom_Hoover> "Plutarch also reports that Caesar said nothing and merely pulled his toga over his head when he saw Brutus among the conspirators.[9]"
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17:57:05 <zzo38> Maybe someday, I can learn Verilog programming by writing some "Verilog Famicom" program.
17:58:07 <zzo38> The rest of the stuff can then be made with separate chips and wires similar to the RF Famicom.
18:01:33 <zzo38> If I make some Famicom hardware clone, it would have: 60-pins cartridge port, 15-pins expansion port, 2x NES controll port (having all pins connected, unlike the AV Famicom), microphone jack, audio filter switch, APU test switch, RCA video/audio out.
18:03:59 <zzo38> Do you know if a non-refreshable DRAM can be used in Verilog?
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18:42:44 <Taneb> Does Euler's identity work for complex angles?
18:44:07 <Bike> you mean the formula? yeah
18:48:03 <Taneb> the e^itheta = cos theta + i sin theta thing
18:48:28 <Taneb> Are sin and cos even well-defined for complex angles?
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18:49:27 <olsner> just "define" sin and cos in terms of exp() and you have something that should work for any complex numbers
18:50:20 <Bike> or just use the series.
18:51:52 <Phantom_Hoover> (you do need to prove that they converge for (some subset of) complex angles but that's complex analysis and i haven't done that course yet)
18:52:13 <Bike> throw caution to the wind
18:52:25 <Taneb> ...have I asked an awkward question
18:52:57 <zzo38> O, yes, I have seen things like that, and I can see easily how it is defined (I saw the series and exp before, so I already figure out how you can do this), but I don't know what is the purpose to use complex angles in what geometry?
18:53:32 <Phantom_Hoover> you technically need to prove that the series for e^x converges for complex x to derive euler's identity at all, but nobody does that
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18:54:25 <Bike> that's what we have textbooks for
18:54:30 <Phantom_Hoover> if you ask WA for 'power series for 1/x' it just corrects it to 'series'
18:54:44 <zzo38> WA does a lot of things like that.
18:54:52 <Bike> oh, apparently complex angles are used in optics
18:55:08 <zzo38> If you enter "ecliptic longitude of sun" it corrects it to "longitude".
18:56:19 <Phantom_Hoover> but if you ask it for, say, 'power series of 1/(1+x)' it'll give you the series
18:56:47 <Bike> what about 'generating function'
18:57:21 <Bike> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_wave
18:57:33 <Phantom_Hoover> seeing as all maclaurin series are convergent to the constant at x=0
18:57:51 <Bike> "Using closest Wolfram|Alpha interpretation: function of 1"
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19:44:47 <fizzie> Generatingfunctionology: one of the best book titles.
19:45:46 <fizzie> They should name more books somethingology.
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22:49:27 <olsner> hmm, does the multiocular o have 8 eyes for everyone or just for me?
22:49:34 <olsner> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U%2BA66E_multiocular_O_(10_eyes).svg has 10 eyes!
22:49:47 <Bike> i think the unicode reference glyph is bad yeah
22:50:41 <olsner> and by "8" I do mean 7
22:52:30 <olsner> more fun with ocularities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binocular_O vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Monocular_O
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23:15:04 <kmc> yeah the reference glyph (and every font i've seen) has 7 eyes
23:15:21 <kmc> but the original manuscript cited by the unicodeification proposal has 10 eyes
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23:16:06 <kmc> (linked from the svg image page you linked)
23:16:31 <oerjan> finally i'm on my new laptop. although it took my old laptop actually dying to get me to take the leap.
23:17:02 <oerjan> (it just wouldn't react to the power on button today ;_;)
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23:18:38 <kmc> what's the new one
23:20:06 <oerjan> 2 cores (4 hypersomethings), 4 Gb memory. (may supposedly add 4 Gb more.)
23:20:45 <oerjan> windows 8 and IE 10 are presently running on it. >:)
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23:21:30 <oerjan> i managed to find an actual desktop though, i was worried for a while that i'd have to change my habits as well...
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23:22:30 <oerjan> and putty installed fine with some confirmations, i had heard worrisome things about it not allowing unapproved stuff.
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23:23:00 <ais523> oerjan: windows 8 is basically two OSes stapled together
23:23:04 <ais523> one is windows 7, the other is awful
23:23:09 <ais523> PuTTY runs on the windows 7 side
23:23:23 <oerjan> so basically i'm going to start by making my setup as close to my old one as i can
23:23:40 <oerjan> ais523: ah yes. the other is like a cell phone os afaiu
23:24:11 <ais523> not just "like a cell phone OS", it literally runs on Microsoft's cellphones
23:24:18 <ais523> so it /is/ a cell phone OS
23:24:55 <oerjan> i am starting to think that my main frustration might be the new placement of keys on the keyboard...
23:25:16 <oerjan> pgup / pgdn are on the top row...
23:25:43 <ais523> on this laptop, they're below Return
23:28:09 <oerjan> hm i see there are duplicates in a numpad position, they might be easier to use
23:28:35 <ais523> your laptop is probably physically rather larger than mine
23:28:41 <ais523> I chose this one partly because it was light enough to carry on long walks
23:29:05 <oerjan> i have no particular intention to move this one around much, so...
23:30:00 <oerjan> hm do i have a ruler somewhere...
23:31:17 <Koen_> I can call my friend Anakin if you will, he's the galaxy's ruler
23:31:28 <oerjan> or rather, it's in the stuff i haven't got brought over from the old apartment yet
23:33:45 <ais523> oerjan: hmm, did you move in order to avoid killing your flatmates?
23:33:51 <ais523> I seem to remember some quotes about that
23:34:27 <oerjan> if i were to believe the user manual, it's a "notebook" and is not recommended for being on the lap at all. although i _guess_ that's just liability avoiding nonsense.
23:34:27 <Sgeo> There was a new Pixel Comic in 2012
23:34:31 <Sgeo> http://pixelcomic.net/287.php
23:35:30 <ais523> actually using portable computers on your lap is quite difficult
23:35:50 <oerjan> ais523: that would have been a good reason but actually it's because the landlady is planning to renovate and/or sell the house and gave me a year's notice.
23:36:17 <ais523> that's a reasonable amount of notice, too
23:36:30 <ais523> I hope your new set of flatmates is no worse than the old set
23:36:50 <oerjan> the empty set is quite nice, i think
23:37:42 <oerjan> although there are of course ordinary neighbors, this being ... what is it called in english...
23:38:23 <oerjan> the building has something like four floors with maybe ten flats in each
23:38:32 <ais523> I'm trying to remember what those are called too
23:38:43 <Koen_> a horizontal skyscrapper
23:39:04 <oerjan> and there is a row of those buildings, with construction work still ongoing at the next ones in one direction
23:39:12 <Koen_> hey I wonder if http://xkcd.com/1190/ is still updating every half hour
23:41:58 <oerjan> <ais523> actually using portable computers on your lap is quite difficult <-- my old one worked fine that way, although i suspect my doing so in recent weeks (i haven't got a proper table to put it on since i moved) may have hastened its demise (you may remember i've told about its worrisome quirks before)
23:42:57 <oerjan> and the new one is about the same but maybe a little more awkward touchpad (closer to the edge)
23:43:04 <ais523> I often put my laptop on top of a duvet, though (while I'm beneath the duvet), it's one of the more comfortable ways to use one in bed
23:44:53 <oerjan> the old laptop got a little warm but not unbearably so. the new one hasn't shown signs of heating yet but then i haven't really started browsing stuff.
23:45:18 <sprocklem> Koen_: according to the list on explainxkcd, yes it is
23:45:25 <oerjan> well significant heating that is, there's a little
23:46:15 <Koen_> sprocklem: we'll have confirmation in half an hour
23:47:54 <oerjan> anyway my back prefers it being on my lap to being on the coffee table.
23:51:55 <kmc> my laptop works great on my lap
23:52:00 <kmc> it's light and doesn't get too hot
23:52:53 <sprocklem> Koen_: Wait, no. Explain xkcd says after the 120th hour it has been lowered to one every hour.
23:53:26 <Koen_> I was about to discover that myself! you just spoiled all the experiencing out of me :(
23:55:43 <Fiora> I have this fan-base thing I bought that plugs into the USB port, it makes the heat a lot better
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23:57:13 <Fiora> to use mine in bed I usually lie on top of my pillow and put the laptop in front of it kind of
23:58:44 <oerjan> ais523: i cannot find a relative placement of pgup/pgdn/up/down which doesn't mess with my muscle memory :( (i know you know all about that since i'm stalking^Wfriending you on reddit)
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23:59:03 <ais523> wait, someone actually reads my reddit posts? :)
23:59:37 <ais523> it normally only takes me a couple of days to muscle-memorize a new keyboard layout
23:59:50 <ais523> this one is awkward, though, because control and fn and super and alt and ` are all small and next to each other
23:59:55 <ais523> so it's quite easy to hit the wrong one in the dark