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00:04:35 <ais523> this is mostly an English-speaking channel
00:04:45 <ais523> although sometimes it's Finnish or Norwegian instead
00:05:02 <angeli> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
00:05:12 <HackEgo> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
00:05:15 <shachaf> oerjan: Hmm, that's Norwegian, right?
00:05:45 <angeli> por que no entiendo nadita
00:06:16 <ais523> I doubt most people here understand what you're saying
00:06:34 <angeli> hablenmen en castellano
00:08:50 <kmc> `? bienvenido
00:09:31 <kmc> `ls wisdom
00:09:32 <HackEgo> As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead.
00:09:36 <kmc> `pastewisdom
00:09:38 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/
00:09:53 <kmc> `? welcome.es
00:09:56 <HackEgo> ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.)
00:10:10 <HackEgo> #!/bin/bash \ if /bin/ls -id "$@" 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^752129 ; then echo 'As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead.'; else exec -a ls /bin/ls "$@"; fi
00:10:29 <elliott> how come it doesn't say liating when you do it
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00:11:07 <HackEgo> #!/bin/bash \ if /bin/ls -id "$@" 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^752129 ; then echo 'As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead.'; else exec -a ls /bin/ls "$@"; fi
00:11:08 <ais523> kmc: we actually have a welcome in Spanish?
00:11:20 <kmc> `run echo ¡ | iconv -f iso8859-1 | iconv -f iso8859-1 | iconv -f iso8859-1 | iconv -f iso8859-1 | iconv -f iso8859-1 | iconv -f iso8859-1
00:11:21 <elliott> kmc: is mosh bugged or did HackEgo get a cosmic bit flip
00:11:22 <HackEgo> ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂá
00:11:34 <kmc> ais523: yeah i added it a while back
00:11:36 <ais523> I guess that's an actually /useful/ welcome variant, so…
00:11:44 <elliott> looks like it was "listing" both times according to the logs
00:11:53 <elliott> also it's showing as "if/bin/ls" here
00:11:57 <elliott> maybe it isn't mosh's fault
00:12:01 <elliott> but i don't know who else to blame
00:12:15 <kmc> adios angeli
00:12:53 <kmc> un poquito
00:13:25 <angeli> y por que todos todos hablan ingles
00:13:30 <ais523> kmc: do you think angeli is trying to contribute usefully to the channel, but failing due to the language barrier?
00:13:41 <shachaf> wow in one (1) week (seven (7) days) kmc will fly to california
00:13:42 <ais523> or just not doing anything useful?
00:15:04 <HackEgo> Information on the THEM has been removed for national security reasons.
00:15:28 <HackEgo> This wisdom entry had to be removed due to a DMCA takedown notice.
00:15:51 <kmc> angeli: porque muchos de nosotros vivimos en estados unidos, y los otros hablan idiomas impopulares, como la finlandesa, y hablan ingles tambien
00:16:07 <elliott> are you asking whether they're from hexham
00:16:21 <shachaf> elliott: come on you can read that
00:16:22 <ais523> hmm… I can tell kmc's comments are more useful than angeli's even despite them both being in Spanish
00:16:30 <shachaf> you don't need to know any spanish to be able to read that
00:16:39 <kmc> elliott vive en Hexham, UK
00:16:55 <elliott> i read the finlandesa part
00:16:57 <ais523> I think hexham UK is quite unlikely in angeli's case
00:17:02 <ais523> although hexham, spain is always possible
00:17:03 <fizzie> kmc: Are you calling my language impopulares, though!
00:17:19 <kmc> hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico
00:17:30 <kmc> yo no se porque
00:17:30 * ais523 fails to see how "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" is useful conversation
00:17:36 <kmc> fizzie: si
00:17:45 <shachaf> ais523: Tell that to oerjan.
00:18:07 <elliott> `learn Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico
00:18:08 <kmc> lenguajes de programación que se hacen para ser extraño más que útil
00:18:30 <kmc> hacemos extraños lenguajes de programación para la diversión
00:19:09 <kmc> el más conocido es http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck pero no es muy interesante en comparación con algunos otros
00:19:30 <kmc> angeli: tengo 25 años
00:19:36 <elliott> kmc: btw google translate suggests you referred to hexham as a "city"
00:19:39 <kmc> elliott: si
00:19:45 <elliott> kmc: which is a wonderfully overoptimistic word for it
00:20:00 <elliott> like calling two huts and a campfire a town
00:21:27 <kmc> yo vivo en Boston, Massachusetts pero voy a trasladar a California la próxima semana
00:21:48 <fizzie> elliott: Hexham has elliott's hut, Taneb's hut, and the campfire you use together (strictly scheduled in order to avoid accidentally meeting), right?
00:21:55 <kmc> angeli: ¿te gusta Venezuela?
00:22:23 <kmc> que tipo de logico
00:22:31 <ais523> fizzie: it's OK for elliott to accidentally meet Taneb, so long as they aren't in Northumberland at the time
00:22:40 <angeli> si me gusta es muy linda
00:23:52 <kmc> nordeste de EE.UU.
00:24:27 <kmc> 4 horas de nueva york
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00:25:55 <angeli> y porque todos hablan ingles
00:27:09 <angeli> apenas se decir hola en ingles
00:27:48 <kmc> ingles es dificil
00:29:12 <kmc> i wonder if you can do arbitrary computations with only iconv invocations
00:29:34 <angeli> ya te dije que no se hablar ingles
00:31:38 <ais523> kmc: wow, that's actually really close to something I've been doing in the last couple of days
00:31:47 <ais523> I've been writing a UTF-8/CP437 polyglot
00:32:21 <ais523> that uses backspaces, VT100 cursor motion commands, and exploiting the fact that things like "C2 A0" are two characters wide in CP437 but only one in UTF8
00:33:31 <kmc> adios etc.
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00:34:24 <Bike> i didn't know you knew spanish.
00:34:29 <kmc> un poquito
00:34:37 <kmc> i know enough to catch some of the mistakes google translate makes
00:34:43 <kmc> that's about it
00:34:47 <elliott> was that google translate + corrections
00:34:48 <Bike> the future measure of language comprehension
00:34:48 <ais523> I know small amounts of lots of languages
00:34:53 <ais523> due to watching so much foreign-language TC
00:35:01 <kmc> i took 4 years of spanish in high school but have forgotten most of it
00:35:07 <elliott> maybe in the future we will all get google glass to translate our sentences and then correct them
00:35:08 <kmc> certainly most of the vocabulary
00:35:08 <fizzie> Foreign-language Turing-complete.
00:35:10 <Bike> "I watch a lot of anime, so, like, I'm pretty fluent in Japanese"
00:35:15 <elliott> THE BABEL FISH OF THE FUTURE
00:36:45 <ais523> elliott: if you've never tried watching YouTube with speech recognition captions turned on, and automatic translation on the captions
00:36:47 <kmc> desu kawaii ^__^
00:37:05 <Bike> boku wa bike-chan desu. nande, desu ka?
00:37:21 <kmc> send pocky
00:37:30 <Fiora> watashi wa fiora-chan desu! kawaii desu ne~
00:37:44 <Bike> i can say "no, i mean the WEIRD porn" in over six japonic languages
00:37:47 <Fiora> bike I think we are drowning in irony
00:37:55 <kmc> best channel
00:37:57 <Fiora> like I think dave is going to come and tell us to stop
00:37:57 <Bike> (are there six japonic languages)
00:38:01 <Bike> (i don't think there are)
00:38:19 <kmc> shachaf for emperor
00:38:26 <Bike> Fiora: i thought you meant illflower was dave for a second
00:38:30 <elliott> `addquote <Bike> i can say "no, i mean the WEIRD porn" in over six japonic languages
00:38:34 <HackEgo> 1057) <Bike> i can say "no, i mean the WEIRD porn" in over six japonic languages
00:39:11 <Fiora> I wish shachaf-senpai would notice me
00:39:58 <kmc> Japan Man like Santa Claus except one difference: he stop at nothing to kill you.
00:40:37 <Fiora> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc0rhqezMH1qj5pqvo1_500.png bike has a GED in anime fyi
00:40:43 <elliott> time to ~upgrade my computer~
00:41:35 <shachaf> what have you gotten me into
00:41:36 <Bike> elliott: you mean buy a new one
00:41:38 <fizzie> "It was already broken when we arrived" is one of the (less than dozen) phrases in Russian they (anecdotally) teach to people on the train when the CS student organization has their traditional St. Petersburg trip.
00:41:46 <elliott> Bike: no i mean the Operation's System
00:41:55 <kmc> fizzie: haha
00:42:05 <ais523> fizzie: hmm, I actually don't know how to say that in Hungarian
00:42:09 <Bike> thats a stupid queston
00:42:13 <Bike> i don't even know what i was thinking of
00:42:33 <elliott> Bike: it already said <Bike>, you don't have to repeat yourself
00:42:43 <Fiora> shachaf: um. I don't know
00:42:49 <ais523> elliott: please no random insults for no good reason
00:42:56 <ais523> this is #esoteric, not league of legends
00:42:59 <elliott> ais523: it's okay it's for bike
00:43:49 <Bike> ais523: it's ok elliott's a damned shit anyway
00:44:15 <ais523> break it up, you two (possibly three)
00:44:36 <Bike> yeah elliott, break it up, don't be so damn mean
00:44:40 <elliott> ok this upgrade will be a welcome respite from how oblivious ais523 is
00:44:59 <ais523> elliott: I'll happily admit I'm oblivious
00:46:14 * kmc turned $165 worth of coins into Amazon credit today
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00:46:42 <Bike> Fiora: hey i just realized this "gate equivalent" stuff is probably what i'll be doing in class. maybe i can implement SIMON :P
00:47:21 <kmc> gah moving involves doing so many things
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00:51:18 <Fiora> that sounds awesome
00:51:27 <Fiora> pikhq: yes I am a kouhai apparently
00:51:49 <Bike> it would be fun assuming i would have any idea what i was doing
00:52:05 <Fiora> geez you can like teach me stuff right
00:53:40 <Bike> did you take circuit desin in school?
00:53:53 <Fiora> I have a vague idea of like, how to make an adder
00:53:59 <ais523> I have an electronic engineering degree
00:54:03 <Fiora> we played a tiny bit with one of those things where you drag around wires and NAND gates at some point
00:54:03 <pikhq> Say, could someone do a DNS lookup on www.google.com?
00:54:05 <Bike> from. How Stuff Works.
00:54:26 <pikhq> I wanna test something. (my DNS is inexplicably not working)
00:54:26 <Bike> Fiora: yeah i did that in architecture class. i think this class is rather different from that one, thouh..
00:54:28 <Fiora> oh! and there was like a thing where I got to lay out a small adder with wires and metal layers and stuff
00:54:28 <ais523> pikhq: 173.194.66.105 and five other possibilities
00:54:31 <Fiora> with um... "Electric"
00:54:38 <ais523> all in 173.194.66.0/24
00:54:44 <Bike> i too enjoy Electric
00:54:57 <Fiora> and it had design rules and stuff
00:54:59 <Bike> wait do you mean physically or
00:55:07 <Fiora> nononono like digitally
00:55:08 <pikhq> Okay, I can ping that.
00:55:21 <Fiora> but apparentlythe stuff we did got used in a senior project where they did actually fabricate a chip?
00:55:24 <Bike> it'd be pretty metal if they let us make a toy CMOS or whatever thouh i doubt it
00:55:26 <pikhq> Holy *shit* the packet loss.
00:55:30 <ais523> pikhq: I normally use nethack4.org to bounce pings off to see if I'm online
00:55:30 <Fiora> basically they were like, pawning work onto frosh
00:55:32 <Fiora> and we were the frosh
00:55:35 <ais523> admittedly, that's because I own it
00:55:35 <Sgeo> `slist did someone do the slist thing yet I don't know
00:55:37 <HackEgo> slist did someone do the slist thing yet I don't know: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
00:56:03 <pikhq> ais523: The thing is, I can't do DNS lookups right now.
00:56:19 <Bike> either way i think this class will be more excititing than my other ones which are mostly Introduction to Broad Field
00:56:37 <Bike> and chemistry, which is hope you like punch card memorization, in my experience
00:56:39 <pikhq> I'm running a friggin' TCP stress test.
00:56:52 <ais523> Bike: chemistry is interesting when you get to the reason behind things
00:57:05 <Sgeo> pikhq, can't wait for the packets to get back from OUTER FRICKEN SPACE?
00:57:10 <ais523> like, understanding why the periodic table is the shape it is
00:57:17 <pikhq> Sgeo: Thank god I'm no longer doing that.
00:57:18 <Sgeo> (Note: Fully aware you might not be in that situation anymore)
00:57:37 <pikhq> Though less so than dialup.
00:57:44 <ais523> oh, satellite internet
00:57:50 <ais523> I thought you were exaggerating
00:57:51 <Sgeo> I love how the comedian that did that thinks that connecting by bouncing off sattelites in space is awesome, yet that's the worst way to get an Internet connection
00:58:00 <Bike> ais523: yeah but i did that in high school already soooo not high hopes exactly.
00:58:06 <Sgeo> ais523, pikhq used sattelite internet for some amount of time
00:58:20 <Bike> i thought pikhq lived in like
00:58:29 <pikhq> Bike: I did not at the time.
00:58:34 <ais523> Bike: he lives in the US
00:58:38 <Bike> did you have a pet bear
00:58:39 <ais523> which has famously bad internet
00:58:42 <Bike> did a bear have a pet you
00:59:39 <pikhq> And I was a couple miles away from DSL...
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00:59:56 <Bike> maybe i'll get to do like electrochemistry or something
01:00:06 <Bike> new and exciting ways to kill myself violently (that's what chemistry is for, right)
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01:02:01 <pikhq> Anyways, I'm trying to diagnose an apparently wonky cable connection.
01:02:36 <Bike> i sympathize :/
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01:03:29 <pikhq> God *dammit* the bastards don't let us change the settings on the modem. :P
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01:21:30 <elliott> o well, looks like my system is too fucked to upgrade
01:21:35 <elliott> guess i should reformat at some point
01:22:08 <myndzi> i can't come up with something good for the feet
01:22:23 <elliott> i really like that it adds to hackego's smiley
01:22:49 <Bike> `? does it really work
01:22:50 <HackEgo> does it really work? ¯\(°_o)/¯
01:23:18 <myndzi> /\(([chars])_(?!\2)[chars]\)/ matches (._o)
01:23:21 <myndzi> but not with any unicodes
01:23:25 <myndzi> also i wonder what happened there
01:23:39 <myndzi> /\(([chars])_(?!\2)[chars]\)/ matches \(._o)/
01:23:47 <myndzi> hrmm back to troubleshooting
01:24:38 <myndzi> counting length of unicode characters derp
01:25:44 <elliott> anyway i blame all this on nobody buying me a new computer, imo
01:27:46 <elliott> especially Bike. as previously established, he's terrible.
01:29:25 <Fiora> you can't acquire your own?
01:29:50 <Bike> by "acquire" she means "steal"
01:29:54 <elliott> it's the principle of the thing!
01:30:01 <elliott> if Bike doesn't get me a new computer, how can I know he truly loves me.
01:32:37 <Fiora> I mostly mean buy <.< but also like
01:32:39 <Fiora> "convince parents to buy"
01:32:58 <elliott> well, if you think of it Bike is kind of like parents.
01:33:09 <elliott> and I'm trying to convince Bike to buy me a computer right now!
01:33:46 <Sgeo> Like a Raspberri Pi?
01:34:02 <Sgeo> Certainly is a computer
01:34:41 <Bike> sgeo's got a point
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01:36:26 <Fiora> bike doesn't have as much money as parents though
01:36:42 <Bike> what are you talking about, neuroscientists make mad bank.
01:37:11 <elliott> as in they literally make everyone who works at the bank mad
01:37:31 <elliott> btw when did Bike turn from a biologist into a neuroscientist
01:38:18 <ais523> they actually made a Pokémon spinoff where the humans evolved
01:38:22 <ais523> it is ridiculous, also awesome
01:39:10 <elliott> hmm I bet I could convince ais523 that it's morally correct to buy me a computer
01:39:12 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: I'm not sure there's much more to say, really
01:39:12 <Bike> yes, i want to hear about this.
01:39:18 <Bike> there's a lot more to say.
01:39:41 <ais523> basically, the plot has warriors forming emotional links with Pokémon; if it gets strong enough and it's the right Pokémon
01:39:51 <ais523> then it plays this animation with them fading back and forth, as usual
01:39:56 <ais523> and mostly they end up in new clothes
01:39:58 <ais523> and with new abilities
01:40:41 <ais523> well clothes have all the real power in an RPG
01:40:48 <ais523> humans exist only for the purpose of wearing them
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01:40:59 <Fiora> you mean pokemon ranger?
01:41:24 <ais523> Fiora: Pokémon Conquest
01:41:36 <ais523> Ranger doesn't have any human evolution, or even any Pokémon evolution
01:41:39 <Fiora> OH, pokemon conquest
01:41:45 <Fiora> wait, that had humans evolve? I don't remmber that
01:42:01 <elliott> did you know: humans evolve irl too
01:42:02 <ais523> Fiora: it happens once guaranteed in the main storyline (after the first attempt to battle illusio/terrera)
01:42:06 <ais523> the others are all optional
01:42:15 <Phantom_Hoover> Fiora, considering how shit it sounds i'm not surprised
01:42:17 <ais523> and normally happen when you reach a certain percentage with your perfect link
01:42:34 <Fiora> ... shit...? gosh pokemon conquest was great
01:42:35 <Bike> elliott: it takes, like, forever, though.
01:43:09 <ais523> it only works for storyline characters, and normally they have generic abilities beforehand, and customized abilities afterwards which are really powerful
01:43:12 <Bike> btw how did the "bike is a biologist" thing even start because i'm pretty sure i never described myself that way
01:43:32 <ais523> e.g. oichi goes from "sweet song" (restore 50 hp to each unit), to "soft light" (restore 100 hp + status to each unit)
01:43:48 <ais523> sweet song is broken enough as it is (although many units get it), so the upgrade is quite mindboggling
01:44:00 <ais523> sometimes the evolved ability has nothing to do with the original ability though
01:44:10 <Phantom_Hoover> i'd expect to get an extra arm or elbow-caps or something with a name like that
01:44:11 <ais523> err, skill, not ability, using the correct word is important! for some reason I don't really understand
01:44:24 <Fiora> it's more just like a class upgrade type thing
01:44:31 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.12411
01:44:35 <ais523> who knows, it's Pokémon
01:44:38 <elliott> ais523: ok so, tell me how i could convince you that buying me a new computer is morally required
01:44:46 <ais523> it frequently misuses the word "evolution" really badly
01:44:51 <ais523> elliott: that might be immoral, though
01:44:52 <Fiora> pokemon conquest is kind of more like a pokemon-themed nobunaga's-ambition-type thing though
01:45:06 <Phantom_Hoover> elliott, i could rough him up with a pipe or something next time i'm in the midlands?
01:45:09 <ais523> Fiora: it literally is nobunaga's ambition with a Pokémon theme and mechanics
01:45:18 <elliott> 2013-04-04.txt:00:31:52: <shachaf> Bike is a biologist???????????????????????????????????
01:45:21 <elliott> 2013-04-04.txt:00:32:02: <Bike> a wannabe biologist
01:45:24 <Bike> thanks shachaf
01:45:26 <ais523> it's called "Pokémon + Nobunaga's Ambition" (appropriately translated) in Japan
01:45:27 <Fiora> wasn't it called pokemon x nobunaga's ambition in japan?
01:45:33 <Bike> elliott: not the same, imo.
01:45:35 <elliott> ais523: surely not divulging information about your morals isn't very lawful good
01:45:48 <ais523> elliott: but the information might be used for evil
01:45:53 <Bike> elliott: heyyyyy i mentioned aczel there
01:46:14 <elliott> ais523: no, I'll only use it to convince you to buy me a new computer for moral reasons
01:46:20 <elliott> therefore it will only result in you taking moral actions
01:46:27 <Bike> wow i talk about biology a lot rad
01:46:32 <elliott> as you can see, I'm being very transparent about the whole thing
01:46:53 <ais523> in the non-Japan version, it's not advertised as being in the Nobunaga's Ambition series because nobody had heard of it
01:46:57 <ais523> but they do have loads of references
01:47:08 <ais523> like stealing /all/ the non-Pokémon characters (except Hero/Heroine) from it
01:47:19 <Bike> `? conspirabiology
01:47:20 <ais523> and giving Nobunaga a (post-evolution) skill called Ambition
01:47:21 <HackEgo> conspirabiology is where moth colourings form a dot matrix display to send you subliminal messages.
01:47:29 <HackEgo> There is no such thing as brainf**k. You may be thinking of brainfuck.
01:48:15 <Bike> elliott: this log clearly shows you saying i'm "like, a biologist" before i say i'm anything.
01:48:37 <ais523> is Bike actually a biologist?
01:48:46 <ais523> also IIRC fucking elliott is illegal
01:48:55 <ais523> or used to be, at least
01:48:57 <Bike> isn't the age of consent 16 in northumberland
01:49:05 <Bike> elliott is eminently fuckable by eminent domain
01:49:07 <elliott> i've been fuckable for like almost a year!
01:49:15 <elliott> albeit in only one sense of the word
01:49:21 <Bike> also what i actually am is, an undergrad.
01:49:25 <Bike> worse than slime imo
01:49:32 <kmc> this conversation took a weird turn
01:49:38 <ais523> also, isn't "eminent domain" the US name for what's called "compulsory purchase" in the UK?
01:49:46 <ais523> whoops, I forgot that Fiora was a shipper
01:49:54 <Bike> she'll make you remember
01:50:01 <ais523> Fiora: no, I just envy you for it
01:50:20 <HackEgo> 450) <ais523> oerjan: I'm not imaginative enough to write truly great slash fiction
01:50:42 <Fiora> oh. I'm not either
01:51:18 <elliott> Fiora: i think you disappointed ais523
01:51:36 <Bike> but you know how you could make up for it? write elliott/kmc that makes the stars cry in joy
01:51:37 <Fiora> I can write fic but I'm probably really out of practice
01:51:48 <Fiora> and the problem with slash is it's porn and I absolutely can't write porn
01:51:53 <ais523> I wrote some NetHack fanfiction once
01:52:04 <kmc> it might be difficult because elliott and i have never seen each other and Fiora has never seen either of us?
01:52:23 <ais523> kmc: but you and elliott both actually exist
01:52:37 <elliott> kmc: love knows no barriers
01:52:38 <ais523> that's got to be some sort of advantage, most fanfiction is about characters who don't exist
01:52:56 <Bike> Fiora: /tasteful/ slash
01:52:59 <Bike> it's "erotic" not "porn"
01:53:06 <ais523> if all else fails, you can use the standard plots involving wormholes that are capable of connecting multiple continuities
01:53:20 <kmc> worm-gloryhole
01:53:22 <Fiora> Bike: okay, I can't write erotic fiction
01:53:45 <ais523> (the US and Hexham are different continuities, right?)
01:55:22 <shachaf> Bike: you're welcome (for what??)
01:55:24 <coppro> ais523: yeah, that's why this channel is full of plot holes
01:55:46 <ais523> now I want to write a continuity-based esolang
01:56:02 <ais523> like, it takes the form of a story, and has some sort of algorithmic method for automatically resolving continuity errors
01:56:19 <ais523> in order to form a loop, you'd have to write it such that resolving a contradiction in one part of it caused a contradiction in another
01:57:24 <elliott> why do i know so many people in california
01:57:37 <kmc> because california is great
01:57:43 <elliott> maybe i should go and visit (for reasons other than enabling elliott/kmc slash)
01:57:45 <coppro> and I don't think Canada is canon
01:57:47 <shachaf> elliott: because california is huge
01:58:04 <kmc> is is the most populous state in the US
01:58:07 <elliott> i think i view california as like the size of ireland
01:58:18 <elliott> instead of ireland's more balanced shape
01:58:27 <elliott> please don't tell me how much bigger california is than ireland
01:58:44 <ais523> hmm… including california in the story would be cheating
01:58:46 <shachaf> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=area+of+california+%2F+area+of+united+kingdom
01:58:47 <kmc> > 423970 / 84421
01:58:49 <ais523> because it's internally inconsistent
01:58:56 <shachaf> (that's not ireland, i know)
01:59:07 <elliott> yo remember when i said please don't tell me how much bigger california is than ireland
01:59:10 <kmc> > 423970 / 229848
01:59:15 <elliott> and shachaf says i'm mean!!
01:59:30 <ais523> elliott: I remember when Stephen Wolfram was demonstrating Wolfram Alpha in a seminar
01:59:36 <ais523> and asked it for the tides in Norwich
01:59:58 <elliott> i'm... waiting for the punchline
01:59:59 <kmc> If California were a country, as of 2012 it would have the 9th largest economy in the world
02:00:17 <shachaf> "woow california u'r slipping"
02:00:26 <ais523> elliott: well he didn't even notice that it picked an arbitrary nearby-ish coastal town to report on
02:00:29 <ais523> because Norwich is landlocked
02:00:41 <elliott> ps i know nothing about UK geology
02:01:01 <ais523> I know rather too much about the geography of East Anglia
02:01:12 <ais523> it's the county I spend the most time in, other than the West Midlands
02:01:17 <elliott> east anglia sounds like a body part
02:01:22 <ais523> and not even for the same reason each time
02:01:22 <elliott> like maybe it's in your throat
02:01:36 <kmc> i don't think too many body parts have cardinal directions in their names
02:01:51 <ais523> I think east anglia is mostly famous for being flat
02:01:56 <elliott> kmc: well that's what's interesting about the east anglia
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02:02:01 <elliott> it's essentially your body's compass
02:02:06 <elliott> because it maintains itself to always point east
02:02:06 <ais523> like, you can stand on top of a 2m high wall
02:02:19 <elliott> kmc: this is why, if your lose your throat, you're not very good at directions any more
02:02:26 <ais523> and be on the highest point for miles around, with your view limited only by the curvature of the Earth (rather than the more common being limited by high ground)
02:02:27 <kmc> makes sense
02:02:42 <ais523> they have watercourses cut which are just a couple of metres lower than the land
02:03:02 <ais523> it has some of the most repetitive areas to drive through in the UK :)
02:03:08 <mnoqy> shachaf: hey have you seen the new super mega todaY? "Chin"
02:03:22 <ais523> (not that I can drive)
02:03:35 <ais523> oh, it also has the A11, which is great
02:03:39 <HackEgo> smlist: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy
02:03:55 <ais523> mostly because it's used to test out new cats eyes replacements, for allowing drivers to see road markings in the dark
02:04:05 <ais523> there's a stretch that has like 8 or 9 different new experimental ones
02:04:14 <ais523> so it's quite fun to drive at night
02:04:42 <myndzi> apparently mirc understands utf-8 but pcre doesn't
02:04:51 <myndzi> seems to be on the right track now though
02:05:09 <ais523> finally, its coast is superior to weston-super-mare
02:05:11 <myndzi> \o/ \o/ \m/ \m/ _o/\o_ ಠ_ಠ
02:05:46 <myndzi> \o/ \o/ \m/ \m/ _o/\o_ ಠ_ಠ <o> ¯\(°_o)/¯
02:05:46 <myndzi> | | `\o/´ | | ¯|¯⌠ | |
02:05:46 <myndzi> /'\ /'\ | >\/< |\|/| º¯`\o
02:05:51 <myndzi> the cause of all this trouble :P
02:06:05 <ais523> this is the script that lead to myndzi not being signed up to Agora, right?
02:06:07 <kmc> it should complete c.c to a 7-eyed multiocular one
02:06:08 <myndzi> good news: got to clean the script up a little
02:06:29 <ais523> myndzi: do you not remember that?
02:06:29 <Phantom_Hoover> ais523, why the fuck would you spend time in east anglia
02:06:37 <myndzi> kmc: i can't exactly edit the contents of YOUR message :P
02:06:38 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: it's a different reason each time, often
02:06:41 <Phantom_Hoover> isn't it just there to be the butt of the geographic joke in alan partridge
02:06:45 <kmc> myndzi: no I mean
02:06:49 <ais523> frequently it's because it's on the way to cambridge
02:06:59 <myndzi> ais523: no, i don't think i've ever been likely to participate in nomic
02:07:06 <kmc> oh that's why I've been to East Anglia
02:07:09 <myndzi> but i have no idea why the script would prevent me (?)
02:07:13 <ais523> (the trains to cambridge from Birmingham go via East Anglia, for some reason, even though it isn't actually on the way)
02:07:24 <kmc> no I was going from London, doesn't make sense
02:07:25 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: that's a good question
02:08:22 <ais523> there's no obvious reason to build a railway line such that it overshoots its destination and then backtracks
02:08:57 <kmc> wait is Cambridge in east anglia
02:09:06 <ais523> not quite, it's close though
02:09:06 <kmc> wikipedia thinks so
02:09:17 <ais523> it is, unsurprisingly, in cambridgeshire
02:09:22 <elliott> myndzi: i second kmc's feature request
02:09:31 <kmc> "The University of Cambridge, established at the start of the 13th century and situated in the town of the same name, is East Anglia's best-known institution of higher learning, and is among the oldest and most famous universities in the world"
02:10:06 <ais523> hmm, apparently cambridgeshire is officially part of east anglia
02:10:23 <ais523> along with norfolk, suffolk, and essex, whichis what I thought was the official definition
02:10:33 <ais523> (this is the Wikipedia definition of "apparently", not the Reddit definition)
02:12:05 <Koen_> I remember in Couplings the girl saying "apparently" meant she was upset
02:12:34 <kmc> what's the reddit defn
02:12:35 <ais523> Koen_: here, "apparently" normally means "I've read this on Reddit recently"
02:12:48 <mnoqy> people read reddit?
02:12:53 <ais523> although it can also be used for "this is claimed to be true by Wikipedia"
02:12:59 <ais523> mnoqy: I read some of the subreddits, some of the time
02:13:14 <Koen_> I didn't know either of those definitions
02:13:16 <kmc> > drop 8 "San Francisco"
02:13:27 <ais523> Koen_: well they aren't really standard English
02:13:30 <shachaf> > splitAt 8 "San Francisco"
02:13:35 <Koen_> reader's digets used to call that city Frisco
02:13:59 <Koen_> ais523: I ain't really English neither so that's fine by me
02:14:16 <Koen_> I'VE GOT AN APPARTMENT WITH VIEW ON THE EIFFEL TOWER
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02:14:36 <Koen_> do you want me to say that again
02:14:45 <ais523> (I actually caught the las typo but let it in because muphry's law)
02:14:47 <Koen_> I'VE GOT AN APPARTMENT WITH A VIEW OF THE EIFFEL TOWER
02:15:00 <ais523> also my f key is not working properly
02:15:10 <ais523> are apartments hard to obtain in Paris?
02:15:23 <kmc> this is where I say something about how the Eiffel Tower is ugly and overrated
02:15:28 <kmc> in order to sound cool
02:15:32 <Koen_> well I don't own it I'm gonna be renting it
02:15:54 <Koen_> well rent half of it anyway, i'll have a room mate
02:15:57 <ais523> kmc: I have no idea whether the Eiffel Tower is underrated or overrated
02:16:11 <ais523> although I'd say that this conversation is reasonably good evidence that it exists
02:16:17 <Koen_> kmc: it's the eiffel tower. what more do you need?
02:16:18 <kmc> i've got an apartment in san francisco with a view of some hills
02:16:23 <ais523> but I think Koen_ is reasonably trustworthy in terms of existence of landmarks
02:16:45 <kmc> v. big ants maybe
02:16:57 <ais523> I live close enough to the edge of Birmingham that it's reasonable to just walk out of it, into countryside
02:17:05 <Koen_> ais523: I've got a vague memory of visiting it when I was a kid
02:17:12 <ais523> we used to drive past fields with cows and sheep in on the way to school
02:17:18 <Koen_> well mostly I've got a memory of queueing to visit it
02:17:58 <elliott> how expensive is san francisco (i know literally nothing about the world)
02:18:14 <ais523> elliott: more so than hexham
02:18:19 <Koen_> how expensive is v. expensive?
02:18:24 <kmc> http://sfist.com/attachments/SFist_Brock/SF-Infographic.png
02:18:43 <ais523> actually I have come to the conclusion that Subway (the sandwich chain) is one of the better ways to compare the relative expense of places
02:18:52 <ais523> because it's really common, and less prone to cultural differences than McDonalds is
02:18:59 <Koen_> these are not US dollars right kmc right
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02:19:04 <kmc> these are US dollars
02:19:08 <ais523> also, Subway prices vary noticeably even within one city in the UK, unlike McDonalds
02:19:30 <pikhq> Yeah, the price of a Subway sandwich is probably a better barometer.
02:19:41 <pikhq> Due to varying rather a bit more based on supply chain.
02:19:47 <kmc> to rent a 1 bedroom apartment, which is the most expensive way for one person to live, compared to sharing a bigger apt
02:19:54 <elliott> also which one of these is silicon valley
02:20:03 <ais523> pikhq: I've seen a difference of £2.30 just within the uK
02:20:07 <kmc> this is SF proper which is only 7 miles on a side
02:20:13 <kmc> Silicon Valley is like 30 miles south of there
02:20:31 <elliott> kmc: you guys have like the biggest fucking country ever and you pack everything into no space whatsoever
02:20:40 <kmc> elliott: yes because it's useful to live near other people
02:20:42 <myndzi> that one makes no sense
02:20:47 <elliott> i think by useful you mean horrible
02:20:48 <kmc> cities are expensive because people want to live there
02:20:50 <myndzi> but i f igured it'd be easy to add ;)
02:20:57 <ais523> elliott: even despite the packing, it's apparently impossible to live without driving in the US, in most cases
02:21:04 <pikhq> Also, we're not as crammed as you think.
02:21:10 <kmc> SF has a serious housing shortage though
02:21:15 <ais523> whereas in the UK, it's possible to get from Birmingham to Hexham entirely along cycle paths
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02:21:16 <kmc> thanks to inept planning, zoning, NIMBYs, etc
02:21:21 <ais523> (not that you'd want to, but the possibility exists)
02:21:26 <kmc> i'm told that in the UK, NIMBYs are known as CAVE people
02:21:32 <kmc> Citizens Against Virtually Everything
02:21:38 <ais523> kmc: NIMBY is pretty common in the UK too
02:21:49 <kmc> I guess it's more specific
02:22:05 <kmc> if you can afford it, yes
02:22:06 <pikhq> That's only, uh, 200 miles.
02:22:18 <shachaf> maybe i'll get a job first
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02:22:25 <kmc> elliott: of course pay scales up to match rents, somewhat
02:22:28 <Koen_> that's almost three days if you're riding a bike
02:22:28 <kmc> at least if you're a software engineer
02:22:30 <ais523> don't move unless you have a reason to move
02:22:50 <ais523> hmm, I think zzo38 would explain it better than me
02:22:59 <kmc> eventually SF will have only software engineers and homeless schizophrenic people who sleep at the BART station
02:23:07 <shachaf> ais523: i live in a small windowless room in a city that used to have the most murders per capita in the country
02:23:11 <kmc> at least this is one of the dystopian scenarios that people are worrying a lot about
02:23:17 <ais523> shachaf: isn't that illegal?
02:23:28 <ais523> one of the UK housing regulations is that all rooms used for sleeping must have a window
02:23:37 <ais523> and it seems like a sensible rule for elsewhere too
02:23:41 <kmc> that's common in the US too
02:23:52 <ais523> this means that large dormitories tend to have shapes designed to maximise surface area
02:23:57 <kmc> my friend lived in a windowless room in NYC and there was a sticker on the door like "DON'T LIST THIS ROOM ON CRAIGSLIST WITHOUT ASKING US FIRST"
02:24:07 <pikhq> Koen_: That's just a bit over the distance from Colorado Springs to the CO-KS boarder.
02:24:18 <Koen_> oh so france isn't the only country that has rules about the size and shape of a bed?
02:24:28 <kmc> ais523: https://www.google.com/search?q=simmons+hall&tbm=isch
02:24:34 <ais523> kmc: hmm, so the rule exists in the US, just people break it and think they'd be unlikely to be caught?
02:24:42 <kmc> some places they do
02:24:42 <Koen_> pikhq: you're not cool now I have to google CO-KS
02:24:49 <pikhq> Koen_: Colorado-Kansas.
02:24:55 <kmc> housing in NYC is insane enough that people will put up with a lot of sketchy
02:25:12 <shachaf> the windowless part is p. bad..............i should move
02:25:17 <ais523> in that case, I guess the difference in the UK is that people think they'd be more likely to be caught
02:25:23 <kmc> maybe they do it in London?
02:25:24 <ais523> actually, they probably would, mostly because of council tax
02:25:35 <ais523> when there's a tax tied to what sort of accommodation you live in
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02:25:49 <ais523> government authorities become better at figuring out whether accommodation is legal
02:26:00 <kmc> ais523: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index#Manipulation
02:26:18 <kmc> "Guillermo Moreno, Secretary of Commerce in the Kirchner government, reportedly forced McDonald's to sell the Big Mac at an artificially low price to manipulate the country's performance on the Big Mac index"
02:26:27 <Koen_> yup that looks like 2~3 days
02:26:40 <ais523> kmc: somehow I'm not surprised
02:26:44 <kmc> also I'm not sure I could bike 200 miles in 3 days
02:26:47 <kmc> but i'm kind of a wimp
02:27:01 <elliott> i like how "bike" just looks like a name to me now
02:27:14 <kmc> well I did 200 in 4 days and didn't feel dead, so probably I could
02:27:18 <Koen_> I biked 250 km in two days a couple years ago
02:27:33 <Koen_> if you can convert that to your weird units
02:27:36 <elliott> i can't ride a bicycle "help"
02:27:47 <kmc> `which units
02:28:22 <kmc> `units 250km mi
02:28:24 <HackEgo> Definition: 4.02336e+08 m^2
02:28:27 <Koen_> ohhhhh right for some reason I was assuming miles/km was the same as dollar/euro
02:28:27 <elliott> you should use it instead of units
02:28:29 <kmc> i don't know frink
02:28:37 <kmc> `addquote <Koen_> ohhhhh right for some reason I was assuming miles/km was the same as dollar/euro
02:28:51 <HackEgo> 1953125/12573 (approx. 155.3427980593335)
02:28:53 <HackEgo> 1058) <Koen_> ohhhhh right for some reason I was assuming miles/km was the same as dollar/euro
02:29:17 <Koen_> I like how 250km mi was interpreted as a surface
02:29:30 <ais523> <Koen_> ohhhhh right for some reason I was assuming miles/km was the same as dollar/euro ← it's pretty close to pound/dollar, sometimes
02:30:14 <Bike> `frink 250 km*mi -> square inches
02:30:20 <HackEgo> 79200000000000/127 (approx. 6.236220472440945e11)
02:30:30 <pikhq> Koen_: The mile's not a weird unit! Why, it's quite simply 1760 yards!
02:30:37 <pikhq> A yard of course being 3 feet.
02:30:45 <HackEgo> Warning: undefined symbol "kB". \ 100 kB (undefined symbol)
02:30:47 <shachaf> kmc: once upon a time USD/INS was ~ gallon/litre
02:30:52 <Koen_> how long is your feet
02:30:54 <ais523> I wanted it to interpret it as kilobels
02:30:59 <pikhq> And an international yard being 0.9144m.
02:31:07 <Koen_> how loog is your foot* and don't make me ask how long your inch is
02:31:15 <shachaf> kmc: so you could compare some prices pretty directly
02:31:25 <Koen_> is inch a synonym for thumb?
02:31:35 <HackEgo> [moonmass = 7.3483e+22 kg (mass), \ moondist = 3.84400000e+8 m (length), \ moonlum = 2500 m^-2 cd (illuminance), \ moongravity = 1.62 m s^-2 (acceleration), \ moonradius = 1738000 m (length)]
02:31:38 <ais523> Koen_: in the UK, 1 foot = 12 inches = 12 * 2.54 millimetres
02:31:44 <pikhq> And a survey yard being 3937/3600 m.
02:31:55 <ais523> `frink 100*1000*10 decibels
02:31:57 <pikhq> ais523: US and UK "foot" are identical.
02:32:00 <kmc> UK and US have the same inch/foot
02:32:02 <HackEgo> Warning: undefined symbol "decibels". \ 1000000 decibels (undefined symbol)
02:32:05 <ais523> `frink 100*1000*10 decibel
02:32:08 <kmc> but not the same fluid ounce :/
02:32:13 <HackEgo> Warning: undefined symbol "decibel". \ 1000000 decibel (undefined symbol)
02:32:24 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MetricImperialUSCustomaryUnits.jpg
02:32:27 <ais523> yeah but bels work on a log scale
02:32:37 <elliott> e.g. http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt
02:32:39 <ais523> which is why the idea of a kilobel or megabel is so earthshattering
02:32:41 <Koen_> ais523: Koen_: in the UK, 1 foot = 12 inches = 12 * 2.54 millimetres
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02:32:45 <pikhq> Though the US also has survey feet.
02:32:52 <kmc> somebody told me that the strength of british beer is scaled to the fact that a UK pint, a US pint, and a continental whatever are different sizes
02:33:17 <Koen_> that's like 3 centimetres ais523
02:33:47 <pikhq> 1 survey foot = 12 survey inches = 12 * 100/3937m.
02:34:23 <ais523> alternatively you could make one of the continuity-piercing wormholes 10 times bigger?
02:34:37 <Koen_> ais523: 30 centimetres? SERIOUSLY
02:34:44 <Koen_> I thought I had big feet
02:34:44 <ais523> Koen_: yeah, about 30 centimetres
02:34:54 <ais523> I'm not sure whose feet they are
02:34:58 <pikhq> Used for surveying purposes because the US length units were defined accordingly before settling on a single length unit set with the UK.
02:35:03 <Koen_> stores here don't even make shoes for 30-centimetres feet
02:35:41 <pikhq> My feet are larger than a foot?
02:35:42 <ais523> pikhq: huh, I assumed the US used the same units as the UK because they were the same pre-independence
02:36:10 <pikhq> ais523: The US established its own definitions of them, which were mostly similar but not identical.
02:36:13 <Koen_> ais523: yeah, france booted you out of america for a reason :-)
02:36:32 <ais523> Koen_: well I wasn't in America at the time
02:36:45 <pikhq> Hence why the pre-international US and UK feet were merely *almost* identical.
02:37:17 <Koen_> you guys have international feet? didn't anyone give you a head's up about the metric system?
02:37:29 <kmc> how much beer do you get when you ask for a pint on the continent
02:37:29 <Bike> koen can you say that with a straight face
02:37:39 <Fiora> I remember reading the history of the foot on wikipedia a bit back
02:37:41 <pikhq> International, international nautical, *and* US survey.
02:37:43 <Fiora> 30cm is huge though
02:37:46 <Fiora> it's like. wow that's a big foot
02:38:22 <ais523> well it's not like the inch is actually the same length as anyone's actual inches
02:38:30 <kmc> my foot is about 28 cm long
02:38:39 <elliott> my foot is about 1 elliott foot long
02:39:01 <shachaf> elliott: are they all the same length
02:39:05 <kmc> i wear men's US size 13 wide
02:39:24 <elliott> actually my feet are slightly different in size
02:39:34 <Fiora> I think mine are about ~22.5cm? I'm not sure they differ in size though
02:39:36 <pikhq> Funny, that's my shoe size as well.
02:39:50 <pikhq> Maybe I'm misremembering and my feet are merely nearly a foot in length.
02:39:54 <Fiora> I wear a size 5.5 or 6 usually since it depends on brand
02:39:59 <Koen_> elliott: yeah I was doing speleology with that guy Mathieu once, and he was measuring every height we had to climb down in "decamathieus"
02:40:03 <Fiora> my right foot is also like at least half a size bigger for some weird reason
02:40:14 <ais523> Fiora: that's quite common
02:40:25 <shachaf> i am perfectly symmetrical
02:40:57 <kmc> shachaf: is that so
02:41:02 <Fiora> it's just like annoying when I am like "okay a 5.5 would fit my left perfectly but now my right foot won't fit and aksdjfls"
02:41:16 <shachaf> kmc: i don't think so anyway
02:41:45 <Fiora> so kmc has like 9 sizes larger than me
02:41:57 <shachaf> Fiora: i hugged kmc when he was visiting in san francisco and it was great
02:42:22 <Koen_> I was with that woman and she saw a butterfly and she said it was wonderful how butterflies were perfectly symmetrical and I told her she was symmetrical too and then she started talking about her breasts
02:42:47 <mnoqy> thats a great pickup line
02:43:39 <shachaf> mnoqy: what, talking about butterflies?
02:44:04 <mnoqy> if that's what you're into
02:45:20 <Koen_> "I like the way you butterfly, girl."
02:45:55 <ais523> hmm, would elliott be horrified to discover that I've actually started conversations with girls?
02:46:02 <ais523> it feels vaguely similar to pickup lines
02:46:13 <ais523> except that you aren't trying to build up to ask them out on a date
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02:46:28 <coppro> I started a conversation with a female of the species once
02:46:33 <coppro> or at least, I think I did
02:46:34 <shachaf> shouldn't it feel similar to actually just talking to people
02:46:37 <coppro> alise is a girl's name right?
02:46:52 <ais523> shachaf: starting a conversation is different from talking to people
02:46:54 * Fiora feels vaguely out of place in this conversation
02:47:11 <ais523> and starting a conversation with someone of the opposite gender has social awkwardness built in
02:47:27 <mnoqy> wow what happened to this channel
02:47:35 <myndzi> Fiora: does this make you awkward? :V
02:47:45 <ais523> well, if you're aware they're of the opposite gender
02:48:09 <ais523> continuing a conversation is pretty easy, though
02:48:14 <mnoqy> coppro: i cried & i think thats close enough
02:48:33 <coppro> mnoqy: are you even old enough to get the reference?
02:48:39 <Koen_> I wouldn't know I usually don't talk to girls I just stalk them at night
02:48:41 <mnoqy> yeah i know who alise is
02:48:42 <Koen_> it's pretty effective
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02:48:48 <elliott> has everyone stopped being terrible yet
02:48:52 <Fiora> elliott: they really haven't
02:48:53 <mnoqy> theyre all still terrible
02:48:55 <shachaf> elliott: no it's gotten worse
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02:49:05 -!- Fiora has left ("I think I'm going to join elliott in some better place").
02:49:07 <ais523> also I agree with mnoqy and fizzie
02:49:20 <ais523> hey, no fair parting and screwing up my tab complete
02:49:28 <Koen_> I'm gonna go to bed bye
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02:51:19 <coppro> wait, kmc still has voice?
02:51:24 <coppro> I thought that was a one-time joke or something
02:51:24 <kmc> hell yes i do
02:51:31 <kmc> it's a one-time joke and that time is now
02:54:44 <ais523> bleh, I was going to voice Gregor
02:54:46 <ais523> but he's already voiced
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02:57:03 <coppro> kmc: hahahahahahahahahah i get it
02:57:51 <ais523> OK, coppro's reaction is funny
02:59:44 <coppro> http://cdn.meme.li/instances/400x/32780540.jpg
02:59:58 <ais523> wait, people are posting image macros on IRC, now?
03:00:38 <kmc> sad that Fiora left
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03:01:37 <ais523> kmc: I keep forgetting that I can't generally trust even people in #esoteric to behave themselves
03:01:42 <coppro> ais523: I just googled for it
03:01:45 <coppro> I dunno if that counts
03:02:04 <ais523> how does the method via which you found it have any influence on what it is?
03:02:26 <coppro> I don't know the technical definition of image macro
03:02:59 <ais523> it's probably defined on urban dictionary, though
03:03:19 <mnoqy> who needs a defn. it's easy to see it's awful and why would anyone post it jeez
03:03:39 <ais523> mnoqy: this is actually entirely based on the URL
03:03:57 <ais523> URLreading is a skill that can be quite finely developed if you're the sort of person who seldom clicks on links
03:04:09 <kmc> also who's alise
03:04:34 <ais523> which was a worthwhile experiment in Internet attitudes IMO
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03:05:27 <ais523> depends on what you mean by "it"
03:05:32 <ais523> the conversation is still bad, except on a different topic
03:05:40 <ais523> like, it's moronic rather than creepy
03:05:44 <mnoqy> it's about alise now
03:05:57 <ais523> well, not the alise stuff, the image macro stuff
03:06:34 <elliott> this sounds like not "over"
03:07:09 <ais523> hey, who do you think is a better cleanup wall in VGC, Ferrothorn or Reuniclus?
03:09:05 <coppro> which one is VGC again?
03:09:29 <ais523> 4 from 6, level 50, doubles
03:09:38 <coppro> ah. in that case no idea
03:09:45 <coppro> but I'll vote reuniclus because he looks funnier
03:14:32 <kmc> elliott: what did you learn by being alise
03:19:29 <kmc> well anyway
03:20:18 <kmc> referring to a woman as 'a female' is a standard speech pattern among creepers
03:20:25 <kmc> which doesn't mean you're a creeper just for saying that, but it might be best avoided
03:21:43 <kmc> i mean it is very common even among people who are not creepers
03:21:48 <kmc> but it does have that association, at least for me
03:22:03 <kmc> pick up artists &c.
03:22:11 -!- copumpkin has changed nick to SmoothPUA.
03:22:37 -!- SmoothPUA has changed nick to copumpkin.
03:22:39 <kmc> SmoothPUA: i don't want to have sex with you because you failed to subtly insult me
03:22:48 <kmc> rookie mistake
03:22:50 <pikhq> It more has an association of someone without any actual connection with women. Like, view them purely in the abstract.
03:22:59 <pikhq> ... I guess that would be "creeper", yes.
03:23:00 <mnoqy> was there a joke there
03:23:19 <ais523> mnoqy: it was a really bad one that it's not worth trying to understand
03:23:40 <kmc> pretty sure Poe's Law isn't relevant here
03:23:42 <shachaf> kmc: i find "a female" (noun) much worse than "female" (adjective), is it only me?
03:23:51 <ais523> err, probably, I keep getting them mudled up
03:23:52 <kmc> not having too much trouble distinguishing whether copumpkin is being serious
03:23:55 <kmc> shachaf: it's same for me
03:23:56 <copumpkin> shachaf: reminds me of "an illegal"
03:24:21 <shachaf> sometimes i say "female people" when e.g. i want to be age-neutral
03:24:31 <mnoqy> [[why the heck are we even talking about this gone damn]]
03:24:48 <kmc> sheeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
03:24:58 <ais523> when a conversation goes downhill and peters out because of it
03:25:11 <ais523> the correct response is not to notice it in scrollback, then retroactively attempt to add to it
03:25:31 <shachaf> i think some amount of metadiscussion about what's ok and isn't ok is reasonable
03:25:49 <ais523> shachaf: sure, that's fine, but it has to be discussion about what's acceptable in the channel, not in general
03:26:56 <kmc> i saw this as friendly advice on how to avoid being unintentionally creepy
03:27:01 <kmc> we can talk about something else
03:27:20 <kmc> i like hugs
03:27:30 <shachaf> haskell user's golfing system
03:27:54 <copumpkin> let's have ais523 tell us what is bad and unacceptable, because I just tuned in a little while ago and am sorry for doing that, but I'm not entirely sure what was wrong with it so it would help me to understand (I'm not even doing this rhetorically)
03:28:41 <ais523> copumpkin: basically because it's clear that different people have substantially different ideas of where the line is
03:29:04 <copumpkin> the line for creepy PUA-like behavior you mean?
03:29:08 <Gracenotes> <ironic sexism is still sexism. but also so is society in general.>
03:29:15 <ais523> the line for gender/sexism discussion
03:29:54 <ais523> so it's impossible to hold a discussion without either some people thinking it's going round in circles, or other people thinking it's unacceptable
03:30:20 <ais523> as such, the conversation is almost guaranteed to go downhill when spread across the channel as a whole
03:30:24 <ais523> even if I only just realised that in the past hour or so
03:30:38 <ais523> (even though it would probably work between any two individual members)
03:31:14 <copumpkin> I enjoy mocking the PUA mentality in various ways, but I'll refrain from pretending to engage in it henceforth
03:31:18 <kmc> maybe it's relevant that copumpkin and i are both guys and we've met in person
03:31:37 <ais523> kmc: I don't think so, perhaps it is?
03:31:40 <ais523> I can't see why it would be
03:31:47 <kmc> there wasn't much risk of me misinterpreting his joke
03:32:02 <ais523> yeah but it's not in PM
03:32:12 <ais523> so there are 61 other people who might potentially misinterpret it
03:32:41 <kmc> shrug, it's one thing to say people shouldn't make jokes making fun of PUA or whatever, it's another thing to say that all discussion of sexism is banned because it causes the channel to go "downhill"
03:32:52 <kmc> it sounds like you're arguing the latter and i'm not ok with that
03:32:55 <elliott> i think it is pretty weird that ais523 is calling out copumpkin but not whath appened earlier
03:33:29 <copumpkin> hey, getting called out is good, I've been thoroughly indoctrinated by my job
03:33:29 <ais523> elliott: I'm not really trying to pick on people, I'm trying to shut down the subject
03:33:42 <ais523> which involves notifying people that I'm trying to get rid of it
03:33:42 <elliott> well it obviously isn't working
03:33:47 <Gracenotes> copumpkin: dare I ask what your jerb is?
03:33:55 <ais523> this is easier when someone's trying to start/restart a conversation, than when the conversation's in full swing
03:34:00 <copumpkin> Gracenotes: I'm a professional criticizee/criticizer
03:34:09 <nooodl> /msg ChanServ CLEAR #esoteric USERS
03:34:15 <nooodl> "shuts down a subject"
03:34:27 <copumpkin> Gracenotes: something like that :P
03:34:48 <ais523> nooodl: well clearly you can do something really obnoxious so that the conversation switches to what an awful op you are, rather than about what the conversation was about before
03:35:03 <ais523> but that only works limited times, and is sort-of hostile to your continuing presence in the channel
03:35:21 <copumpkin> hey guys I made a kitten cry the other day by stealing its saucer of milk
03:35:32 <shachaf> copumpkin: did you read _The Door into Summer_
03:36:01 <copumpkin> ais523: see, I didn't know that either. Learn new things every day!
03:36:15 <copumpkin> Gracenotes: yeah, really unexpected isn't it!
03:36:27 <ais523> fwiw, though, I wasn't intending to single out copumpkin, rather I was trying to inform em about something e might have missed due to not being in the conversation earlier and/or not being able to read my mind
03:37:08 <Gracenotes> perhaps it's like a Prolog program, where we normally query the software and get copumpkin, but you can also do it the other way around.
03:37:38 <kmc> anyway shutting down discussion of social justice because it's an unpleasant topic for white men is pretty bad. and that may not be what ais523 is advocating, but it's not clear to me yet that he's not advocating that
03:37:38 <copumpkin> no no, I appreciate it, really :) I mostly try to be as non-assholish as possible and it's good to be reminded when I fail
03:37:55 <kmc> it's not something you can sort out in PM
03:37:59 <kmc> because it's about *community* standards
03:38:45 <copumpkin> the whole ironic asshole thing is something I'm trying to improve about. I should read some scrollback and then probably not bring it back up
03:41:39 <kmc> while we're at the bottom of this hill, someone should rename "Stalker mode" on http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
03:42:11 <Gracenotes> social justice is interesting because it requires prior education to talk about constructively; usually this education can't be communicated as part of a single discussion
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03:42:25 <ais523> I'm not entirely sure what the phrase means
03:43:32 <Bike> "Social justice is justice exercised within a society, particularly as it is applied to and among the various social classes of a society." cool thanks wikipedia
03:43:54 <ais523> bleh, even with a definition, I'm /still/ not entirely sure what the phrase means
03:44:07 <kmc> i'm no expert but i just meant it as "talking about racism sexism etc. and what to do about them"
03:44:08 <Bike> yes the joke is: that's not a very good definition
03:44:30 <Bike> but basically yeah, not being dumb to marginalized groups, or "minorities" as the jargon goes
03:44:43 <Bike> pretty esoteric stuff!!
03:44:58 <Gracenotes> achieving legal (de jure and de facto), cultural, and socioeconomic equity.
03:45:40 <shachaf> i thought ais523's issue was "objecting to things that are considered harmful by doing them sarcastically", not to talking about them in general
03:46:03 <shachaf> i was thinking of a different part of the conversation
03:46:14 <Gracenotes> being aware of the perpetuation of inequity and disavowing personal benefit from it
03:46:40 <copumpkin> (and not denying that one benefits from it)
03:46:42 <pikhq> kmc: At least some of us are not heterosexual white men?
03:46:45 <ais523> shachaf: my objection's to "continuing a discussion that's already been determined to be unhelpful via making a joke"
03:47:05 <kmc> "determined to be unhelpful"
03:47:08 <mnoqy> pikhq: thanks pikhq ☺
03:47:24 <copumpkin> oh, I took it as pointing out that the ironic thing gets old quickly
03:47:38 <pikhq> And if I could get my girlfriend on here we could diversify shit even more. :P
03:48:01 <copumpkin> hey, if we could get my 401k on here we could di--
03:48:15 <Gracenotes> hm yeah 'disavow' might not have been the right word
03:48:50 <Bike> well, you can't, of course
03:49:24 <Gracenotes> yeah, some such things are active, others passive...
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04:06:57 <kmc> so anyone have ideas on doing arbitrary computation with iconv?
04:08:03 <ais523> I guess for a conditional, you can convert back from UTF-8
04:08:09 <ais523> or similar multibyte encodings
04:11:12 <ais523> ideally you'd want some sort of encoding with frame ambiguity, though
04:11:17 <ais523> UTF-8 is, sadly, designed to avoid that
04:12:39 <kmc> but there are others :)
04:13:07 <kmc> shift-jis I think
04:13:29 <ais523> yeah, me not knowing how they work is a problem for working out ways to program with them, though
04:14:34 <kmc> iconv also supports ISO-2022 which has state that persists across an arbitrary number of bytes
04:25:11 <copumpkin> “You can’t hold the World Cup with hospitals”
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04:29:18 <lifthrasiir> kmc: iconv state is finite (at best, ~16 words), isn't it?
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04:52:45 <kmc> for each pass yeah
04:52:57 <kmc> but each pass can transform an arbitrary length byte sequence
04:53:10 <kmc> you would need to apply iconv many times and you would need some external mechanism for looping
04:53:23 <kmc> or the goal is not "arbitrary computation" but something less ambitious
04:54:16 <lifthrasiir> kmc: you may utilize a legacy encoding with no proper round trip
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08:44:29 <elliott> oklopol: shows the log in real time
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09:18:28 <oerjan> <Taneb> Work done is difference in kinetic energy. Kinetic energy is mass times velocity is force times distance. These are both measured in Joules
09:18:53 <oerjan> i have some quibbles with the mass times velocity part, as i distinctly recall 1/2 m v^2.
09:19:22 <oerjan> mass times velocity is momentum hth
09:19:43 <shachaf> when will you stop saying hth
09:20:04 <oerjan> when i find another overused meme to borrow
09:21:00 <oerjan> i recall reddit tried that once
09:21:33 <oerjan> iirc it was quite awful
09:21:51 <shachaf> are you talking about the carrot thing
09:21:57 <oerjan> and didn't precisely spread... yeah
09:22:10 <shachaf> what about the monoid thing
09:22:21 <shachaf> i heard that was on ircnet
09:25:36 <oerjan> of course there's a writeup at http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/waffles-dont-you-mean-carrots
09:27:22 <shachaf> can http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1949537745/armikrog get $300,000 in 6 days y/n
09:35:05 <oerjan> incidentally armkrog means "bent arm" in danish hth
09:35:33 <oerjan> (s/g/k/ for norwegian)
09:44:05 <oerjan> <Taneb> Bike, hopefully past tense. The exam is in less than 11 hours <-- HE'S DOOMED
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11:01:06 <oerjan> 21:39:48: <elliott> im googling "huge bed" now #drugz
11:01:13 <oerjan> 21:41:23: <elliott> why is there furry porn and a picture of some socks. this is the worst image search ever
11:05:45 * oerjan realizes turning off safe search for this was a mistake
11:07:01 <elliott> this upgraded OS behaves just weirdly and unfamiliarly enough for me to maintain my healthy sense of constant unease
11:07:48 <oerjan> still cannot reproduce, though.
11:07:57 <oerjan> i see a lot of huge beds, curiously.
11:08:12 <elliott> do you want me to go and find it again. are you that desperate to find the furry porn
11:08:23 <oerjan> come to think of it, maybe not.
11:08:54 <elliott> also, those beds are _not_ huge.
11:09:16 <oerjan> i was assuming there was some obvious absurdity to be found
11:11:24 <elliott> step 2 in carefully regulating my amount of annoyance and confusion is compiling ghc from source just to get the documentation to build better
11:13:25 <oerjan> sounds familiar, in general
11:15:54 <oerjan> turns out asus's touchpads don't have very good drivers. and that playing tatham's puzzles with them therefore sucks.
11:17:03 <elliott> do you want me to buy you a mouse
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11:18:03 <oerjan> i have a mouse. it's hard to use it when having the notebook on my lap, which i must since i don't have a proper computer table
11:18:23 <elliott> do you want me to buy you a computer table
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11:18:37 <oerjan> all i'm saying is i never had trouble with playing them on my old laptop ;_;
11:19:00 <oerjan> (my memory is probably just defective.)
11:19:28 <elliott> mnoqy: how funny would it be on a scale of 0 to 10 if i actually bought oerjan a computer table
11:20:14 <oerjan> the thing is i don't _really_ want a computer table.
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11:20:37 <elliott> it's ok i have another idea
11:20:41 <mnoqy> is that like a table you put your computer on or a table that is a computer
11:21:04 <elliott> what if i buy you a little mousing area that plugs in via usb and gets heated up
11:21:15 <elliott> if this is not invented then i'm not sure i want to live in the world
11:21:24 <oerjan> i want to live in a small wooden hut with earthen floor and fast broadband, or something.
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11:28:55 <oerjan> it's a very nice rational hth
11:32:10 <oerjan> also turns out asus's touchpad driver sometimes crashes. oh it worked again.
11:32:48 <oerjan> (false alarm. what it actually sometimes does is fail to load at reboot.)
11:35:01 <elliott> oerjan: i bet it would work perfectly on.... linux
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11:54:16 <oerjan> <elliott> is mosh failing me <-- i'd say so
12:03:56 <HackEgo> 1) <Aftran> I used computational linguistics to kill her.
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12:35:33 <oerjan> <myndzi> \o/ \o/ \m/ \m/ _o/\o_ ಠ_ಠ <o> ¯\(°_o)/¯
12:35:33 <myndzi> | | `\o/´ | | ¯|¯⌠ | |
12:35:33 <myndzi> >\ /< | /'\ >\ >\|/| o/`¯º
12:37:27 <oerjan> @tell myndzi your \m/ \m/ figure is misaligned hth
12:38:06 <oerjan> myndzi is a regular with a script
12:44:04 <oerjan> @ask <Koen_> reader's digets used to call that city Frisco
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12:44:42 <oerjan> the _first_ time i decided to rely on IE 10's cut an paste no longer including end-of-line :(
12:45:16 <oerjan> @ask <oerjan> Does this work?
12:46:28 <oerjan> @ask Koen_ <Koen_> reader's digets used to call that city Frisco <-- are you sure they didn't mean the _actual_ city named Frisco hth
12:49:14 <oerjan> @tell Koen_ " In 1904, the residents chose Frisco City in honor of the St. Louis-San Francisco Railway on which the town was founded, later shortened to its present name."
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13:00:20 <elliott> c.c c.c c.c c.c c.c c.c c.c
13:00:21 <myndzi> c.c.cc.c.cc.c.cc.c.cc.c.cc.c.cc.c.c
13:00:21 <myndzi> c.c c.c c.c c.c c.c c.c c.c
13:08:29 <Koen_> @tell oerjan I'll check some day thanks for blowing my mind
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13:18:25 <lambdabot> tell provides: tell ask messages messages-loud messages? clear-messages
13:18:34 <lambdabot> Koen_ said 10m 2s ago: I'll check some day thanks for blowing my mind
13:19:36 <oerjan> Koen_: naming your city after something named after another city is rather mind-blowing yeah
13:21:35 * oerjan swats FireFly -----###
13:23:00 <oerjan> btw does anyone know whether setting the putty keepalive option will help, hurt, or do nothing about short-time-but-not-short-enough network disconnections?
13:23:56 <oerjan> fizzie: fungot failuer
13:23:58 <Deewiant> That's a good pair of letters to put in the wrong window
13:23:58 <fizzie> That was supposed to be AAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
13:24:18 <fizzie> These touchscreen keyboards.
13:24:49 <ion> buttbuttin
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13:26:58 <oerjan> hi FireFly you are being swatted for complicating my tab completion of fizzie hth
13:27:55 <FireFly> You could always configure your client to complete nicks in descending alphabetic order
13:29:09 <oerjan> i don't see that option in /set hth
13:30:02 <FireFly> Has the average 'hth' count in your lines exceeded 100% yet?
13:30:31 <oerjan> i wonder what completion_auto does
13:30:38 <ion> We could encode our messages in permutations of sequences of hth. hth
13:31:30 <oerjan> ion: sounds like a dangerous policy that might lead to brainfuck derivatives hth
13:32:58 <oerjan> fizzie: wait do you mean hth/line fraction if so maybe hth i thought you meant hth/word hth
13:34:28 <oerjan> apparently irssi suddenly decided to put fizzie first, despite FireFly speaking last
13:34:58 <FireFly> Maybe it orders nicks in opposite priority of which you'd want to mention them
13:35:02 <FireFly> you know.. for your discomfort
13:35:42 <oerjan> i think it rather has the strange idea of prioritizing actual completions used over people speaking
13:36:25 <elliott> oerjan: just talk to me. i have an unambiguous two-letter prefix.
13:37:16 <oerjan> that has not always been the case
13:38:02 <oerjan> `pastelogs <ell([^i]|i[^o])
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13:38:34 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4295
13:39:17 <oerjan> `pastelogs <ell([^i]|i[^op])
13:39:40 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.15125
13:40:11 <oerjan> i suppose elly is who i was thinking of
13:41:32 <elliott> we refer to those as the dark times.
13:44:28 <elliott> now the golden times, those come in the future, when you op me.
13:44:38 <fungot> \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/
13:44:39 <myndzi> | | | `\o/´ | | | `\o/´ | | |
13:44:39 <myndzi> /< >\ /| | /^\ /| /| | /| /< /'\
13:45:04 <mnoqy> hm those \m/ \m/s look a bit weird
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13:45:12 <elliott> specifically, i have calculated it to be three minutes in the future
13:45:13 <oerjan> mnoqy: i already told him
13:45:33 <oerjan> elliott: a bit off, i think
13:46:44 <elliott> oerjan: it could also be fizzie that ops me.
13:46:47 <elliott> my predictions are unclear.
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13:49:36 <oerjan> <elliott> i think by useful you mean horrible <-- there is actually no contradiction between those hth
13:51:21 <oerjan> @tell myndzi " o.o " (only one space in front) looks weird hth
13:52:03 <fizzie> oerjan: You are so demanding.
13:53:00 <fizzie> c.c how abut two spac?
13:55:34 <oerjan> \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ c.c \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
13:55:35 <myndzi> | c.c.c | ¯|¯⌠`\o/´ `\o/´ ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c |
13:55:35 <myndzi> >\ c.c |\ /< | | | /| |/| c.c /<
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13:56:33 <elliott> ok it makes more sense now
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13:57:19 <oerjan> ^def celebrate ul (\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/)S
13:57:27 <fungot> \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
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13:59:10 <oerjan> a new and modern festival
14:00:24 <elliott> how is ghc STILL fuckin compiling
14:01:00 <oerjan> elliott: quite well, i assume
14:01:27 <oerjan> also it's because you don't have an actual supercomputer hth
14:02:24 <oerjan> (iirc there was some bug report that required one of the simons to buy an EC2 instance to fix it)
14:02:48 <lambdabot> bos says: other companies use expensive firewalls and crypto hardware to protect their intellectual secrets. edwardk uses category theory!
14:02:50 <lambdabot> bos says: other companies use expensive firewalls and crypto hardware to protect their intellectual secrets. edwardk uses category theory!
14:02:54 <lambdabot> SimonMarlow says: This is the largest program (in terms of memory requirements) I've ever seen anyone run using GHC. In fact there was no machine in our building capable of running it, I had to
14:02:54 <lambdabot> fire up the largest Amazon EC2 instance available (68GB) to debug it - this bug cost me $26.
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14:10:30 <fizzie> 68 is an odd even number.
14:12:10 <elliott> oerjan: have I mentioned that I'm ordering people to figure out EC2 pricing on my behalf. you're the next candidate
14:12:59 <fizzie> There's (still) a terabyte of RAM at CSC's http://csc.fi/ shell/serial-job/misc servers.
14:13:03 <oerjan> i'll get back to you as soon as i start buying EC2 instances hth
14:13:24 <elliott> oerjan: no, it's for _me_, you see.
14:13:36 <elliott> fizzie: csc.fi are so good they don't even have a web page, apparently
14:13:43 <oerjan> are you going to put lambdabot on EC2
14:13:59 <elliott> oerjan: well linode have had a rather awful security track record recently...
14:14:15 <elliott> so it would be kind of nice to move esolangs.org/lambdabot/my IRC client to somewhere I vaguely trust
14:14:44 <elliott> but EC2's pricing scheme is so ridiculously byzantine that I have absolutely no idea if I can make it affordable or not
14:15:20 <fizzie> elliott: Aw, they're not no-www compatible or something.
14:15:57 <fizzie> (Android's browser lied to me and added www. itself.)
14:16:45 <oerjan> elliott: last thing i recall is someone claiming it's only cost effective for extra capacity at times of high load?
14:16:47 <elliott> fizzie: you are welcome to supply me with an ssh account
14:17:17 <fizzie> Also, Infiniband. Best name for a technology.
14:17:34 <elliott> oerjan: that's the general kind of thing I've heard too but I've also heard it could be about equally-priced for vaguely comparable specs to what I have for my Linode more recently if I get a reserved instance
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14:22:45 <oerjan> who is that guestbot guy i saw it talk yesterday i think
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14:23:51 <elliott> it queried hackego once i think
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14:24:32 <elliott> oerjan: i feel all necessary precautions have now been taken.
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14:25:48 <ion> elliott: are you for real?
14:26:30 <oerjan> <Koen_> is inch a synonym for thumb? <-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inch#Etymology
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14:27:44 <Taneb> oerjan, I was indeed doomed
14:32:38 <oerjan> <ais523> which is why the idea of a kilobel or megabel is so earthshattering <-- that's _literally_ earthshattering, of course.
14:32:51 <oerjan> (and no, i'm not misusing literal)
14:33:05 <ion> I literally never misuse “literally”.
14:33:26 <oerjan> ok maybe slightly, it's not the _idea_ that is earthshattering.
14:50:01 <elliott> OH MY GOD IT'S STILL COMPILING
14:50:11 <elliott> it's been like four hours.
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14:54:03 <Taneb> wehat are you compiling
14:54:16 <oerjan> isn't that like normal for ghc
14:55:16 <elliott> i'm pretty sure it was quicker last time i did this at least
14:55:38 <fizzie> I think I remember someone complaining about how habitually compiling GHC and Android takes a long time.