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01:53:39 <shachaf> kmc: last i saw you had a lot of screens and most of them had windows in them
01:57:52 <kmc> http://bosker.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/i-hate-the-pumping-lemma/
01:59:12 <elliott> heh, reduces it to pigeonhole principle, but dijkstra said something similar about the pigeonhole principle itself
02:00:20 <shachaf> imo reduce everything to hugz
02:02:03 <shachaf> mnoqy: adjunctions are p. cool, what's even cooler than adjunctions tho
02:04:06 <mnoqy> is this a question or an answer
02:06:12 <mnoqy> i haent bothered learning much about those yet
02:06:43 <shachaf> but i dont actually know what "cool" means
02:07:30 <kmc> what did dijkstra say
02:07:45 <shachaf> "the maximum is at least the average"
02:08:05 <shachaf> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1094.html
02:08:22 <shachaf> or http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd10xx/EWD1094.PDF if you like dijkstra's handwriting (you should)
02:09:36 <kmc> "PS. I don’t have anything against the pumping lemma for context-free languages."
02:09:46 <kmc> that one is much more complicated though :(
02:10:18 <kmc> i think the ratio of complexity of idea to complexity of formal statement is worse there
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03:23:46 <zzo38> In what context is that?
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03:25:14 <doesthiswork> the german soccer lotto, he introduces a variable 'i' to index some arrays
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03:28:41 <kmc> oh it's along with underlined A for "for all" and underlined E for "there exists"
03:28:44 <kmc> so I guess it's a quantifier
03:29:38 <kmc> it looks like (N x : φ(x)) is meant to mean "the number of x such that φ(x) holds"
03:30:16 <shachaf> Hmm, that's an unusual binder/quantifier.
03:31:02 <kmc> and also that (Q x : φ : ψ) is meant to be sugar for (Q x: (φ ∧ ψ))
03:31:18 <kmc> sorry to use almost identical looking greek letters but it's Tradition
03:31:22 <Bike> elliott: did djikstra reduce the pigeonhole principle to the pumping lemma
03:32:04 <shachaf> kmc: I think the two colons are special, since even the forall has two.
03:32:18 <Bike> i love "reduce" since even the formal definitions are pretty... two-way
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04:13:12 <zzo38> I think the HTML <xmp> command should be added in MediaWiki (although it doesn't have to implement it as emitting a <xmp>)
04:15:42 <kmc> while you were tripping you were transported to a universe where \phi and \varphi are interchanged
04:15:59 <elliott> at least it's not \epsilon and \varepsilon
04:17:12 <kmc> apparently there's such a thing as "Latin uppercase epsilon" (Ɛ) which is not to be confused with Greek uppercase epsilon (Ε)
04:17:16 <kmc> wtf people
04:17:48 <kmc> stop inventing bogus letters
04:17:54 <kmc> or at least go all out and make something that looks like klingon
04:18:19 <kmc> ge'ez people
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04:46:52 <UristMcSgeo> xmp is the sort of thing that sounds good until you realize someone will dumbly try to use it for security
04:47:35 <zzo38> UristMcSgeo: But that doesn't make it no good; it only makes it no good to use it for security.
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12:11:19 <oerjan> glogbackup: WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE
12:17:07 <elliott> <glogbackup> sorry people, I... I just took a wrong turn and... got lost and... wandered in...
12:17:17 <elliott> <glogbackup> I'll... show myself out...
12:17:30 * elliott idly considers kicking it for yuks
12:17:35 <Deewiant> Kick glogbot to validate the backup's presence
12:17:45 <oerjan> but now you've made me feel sad for it :(
12:18:06 <elliott> Deewiant: I might do that *if* Gregor had ever merged glogbackup's logs in, ever
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12:23:44 <oerjan> can't argue with that.
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12:41:24 <Roujo> cat greeting >> #esoteric
12:42:50 <Jafet> I assume that would be a meow.
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13:17:24 <Roujo> Bon mating, böily ^^
13:18:00 <boily> nice placement of the infamous trë́ma.
13:20:28 <boily> oh, a ladybug on my desk.
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13:25:20 <oerjan> it's not a ladybug, it's a fallen-off accent
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13:29:53 <oerjan> <oerjan> it's not a ladybug, it's a fallen-off accent
13:30:20 <oerjan> elliott: i found a flaw in your script
13:31:59 <boily> oerjan: you brightenèd my morning.
13:32:16 <Roujo> How do you... accents do not work that way
13:32:20 <boily> Roujo: perfectly legit use of the è.
13:32:29 <boily> it's used in poetry for scansion.
13:32:40 <Roujo> I wouldn't say "perfectly legit" =P
13:32:46 <Roujo> Grévisse would object, really
13:33:43 <boily> I don't care about grévisse. had you mentioned a real grammar source, like bécherelle.
13:33:54 <elliott> oerjan: erm can you give me a copy of the script so I can fix it :P
13:35:24 <oerjan> http://sprunge.us/EAPE
13:36:34 <elliott> hmm, do you ever do mid-line hths? those could be problematic as well
13:37:03 <oerjan> not that i can recall, unless i'm actually talking about the concept
13:37:12 <elliott> yes, I didn't want to restrict admitting you have a problem
13:37:15 <boily> Roujo: looks like my bro is in Michigan this morning.
13:37:25 <elliott> if ($text =~ s/(^|[,;.?!]?\s+)(hth|twn?h|tdn?h)[,;.?!]*\s*$//ig) {
13:37:47 <elliott> and we all support you in this difficult time.
13:38:03 <Roujo> boily: Now that's just nice =P
13:38:43 <boily> Roujo: oh, no. it was just an atrocious pun based on my previous e-mail.
13:39:03 <Roujo> boily: Now that's just nice =P
13:40:09 * boily has a sudden urge to smack Roujo, but we're Monday morning and I have a chocolate muffin from Costco.
13:40:19 <Roujo> boily: Now that's just nice =P
13:41:14 <oerjan> btw editing it revealed that your script was full of ^M's
13:43:15 <Koen_> so I tried picking up vim
13:43:44 <elliott> oerjan: sprunge's fault, probably
13:43:47 <elliott> or rather HTTP's fault or whatever
13:44:23 <boily> Koen_: once you start thinking of vim as a roguelike, everything else flows together.
13:45:05 <Koen_> cause right now I'm convinced I've gone far enough in the tutorial to keep using emacs
13:45:40 <Koen_> this whole "vim is a text editor but please don't use the text editing mode too much" philosophy is weird
13:46:11 <elliott> oerjan: whoa, I just realised I can't threaten you with wiki adminship any more
13:46:22 <oerjan> elliott: horrible isn't it
13:46:30 <boily> Koen_: that's completely false. it's a text editor first, but it happens you have a separate mode for movemements and stuff.
13:46:54 <boily> btw, kmc gave his voice to glogbackup?
13:47:22 <Koen_> boily: apparently when I'm in insert mode I can only delete what I've just written; all that was already there I CAN'T TOUCH
13:47:36 <oerjan> Koen_: oh there's an option for that
13:47:48 <boily> Koen_: there's an option for that.
13:47:53 <Koen_> oerjan: is that option called "any other text editor"?
13:48:22 <boily> Koen_: I'll act on a sudden spur of charity, and say that you have to add «set nocompatible» in your ~/.vimrc.
13:48:40 <Koen_> I don't have a .vimrc yet
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13:49:23 <boily> Koen_: the .vimrc is only second behind fvwm config files when you sort them by the amount of time you loose tweaking them.
13:49:32 <oerjan> lots of the obvious small improvements are set by default in the windows install, but i vaguely recall setting such an option way back on linux.
13:49:37 <elliott> tip: when someone wants to complain, advice helps neither of you.
13:49:40 <boily> (althought you can't rush a good .screenrc, imho)
13:49:56 <Koen_> still, at the school most people use vim, and they were not far from convincing me it was better than emacs
13:49:58 <boily> oerjan: the default windows install is a little bit weird.
13:50:09 <Koen_> but this whole "insert mode" thing is really really ridiculous
13:50:20 <Koen_> half the time they type looking at the keyboard
13:50:29 <Koen_> and nothing happens because they forgot to type i first or something
13:50:30 <oerjan> boily: i _have_ changed a few options in that too, but not this one. anyhow my nvg .vimrc contains set backspace=indent,eol,start whichwrap+=<,>,[,]
13:50:39 <elliott> ...so, save your time, because the complaints will continue regardless.
13:50:51 <Koen_> elliott: I'm actually open-minded!
13:51:06 <elliott> but you've already decided it's really really ridiculous.
13:51:13 <oerjan> not sure what the whichwrap part does
13:51:17 <boily> elliott: when complaining, don't meta-complain, ere your enter an infinite loop of Ultimate Mutual Kvetching.
13:51:31 <oerjan> oh wait those are separate options
13:51:41 <boily> oerjan: no idea here neither. it's there, it's feng shui, it must be kept.
13:51:42 <elliott> I certainly don't look at my keyboard when using vim, though I have no strong attachment to it as an editor
13:51:56 <Koen_> elliott: well it's a text editor but by default you are not in text editing mode
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13:53:26 <boily> Bike: what is your opinion on insertion?
13:53:36 <Bike> context-dependent
13:53:43 <elliott> Koen_: it's called insert mode.
13:53:58 <Koen_> so it's not even a text editing more
13:54:12 <elliott> insertion is not even editing. normal mode has more tools to actually edit existing text
13:54:13 <oerjan> boily: oh it's to fix a similar annoyingness of the <>[] commands i guess
13:54:29 <Koen_> but in normal mode you can't really type text
13:54:37 <Koen_> which is what I wanna do when I'm using a text editor
13:54:52 <Bike> oh, are you arguing about vim
13:55:04 <boily> oerjan: neat. didn't know about wrapping <>. I guess I prefer the “get stuck at the line beginning” variant, as I usually < and > very aggressively.
13:55:07 <oerjan> boily: um wait it's not the commands but the arrow keys
13:55:17 <oerjan> they're just encoded that way in the option
13:55:44 <oerjan> boily: by default left and right arrow don't wrap at eol
13:55:51 <Koen_> I like all those fancy instructions to delete one word or one line or 13 characters but it seems wrong that you're not allowed to do what you usually do in a text editor
13:55:59 <boily> oerjan: as in, the physical keys?
13:57:27 <elliott> thankfully, other editors (insertors?) exist
13:57:43 <Koen_> elliott: and frankly I think if I spent enough time coming up with a satisfying .vimrc I'd probably be more efficient using vim than emacs but still some things in it seem so ridiculous to me
13:59:08 <oerjan> Koen_: there is a vim mode to keep you mostly in insert mode. then you have to add a prefix for each normal mode command though iirc
13:59:51 <boily> Koen_: when in insert mode, you can Alt-* to get the normal mode command.
14:00:34 <oerjan> i vaguely thought it was Ctrl-O
14:01:25 <boily> well, Ctrl-O is cleaner, but it just happens that in a terminal to Alt- something is the same as Escape, then the something.
14:02:44 <oerjan> oh. that may not even be the case in windows.
14:03:04 <boily> Koen_: you're using which OS?
14:03:24 <Koen_> snow leopard I reckon
14:03:43 <oerjan> boily: the thing is Ctrl-O automatically returns you to insert mode after the command
14:05:14 <boily> Koen_: hm. I never vimmed on a mac. how does it feel?
14:05:38 <Koen_> I may not be very objective
14:05:50 <boily> oerjan: Ctrl-O is the official “temporarily jump back to normality”. Alt- is the ugly aquatic bird.
14:06:10 <boily> Koen_: you can not be objective about a text editor. it goes with the territory.
14:06:37 <oerjan> boily: but if Alt-* is equivalent to Esc * then it _wouldn't_ be temporary.
14:08:30 <boily> I think the lesson to be extracted from that is that aquatic birds aren't temporary, but the objectivity of Ctrl-O is absolute.
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14:13:19 <Roujo> boily: I support and do so
14:13:55 <elliott> @tell oerjan I frown upon this loophole
14:14:08 <Bike> i join in frowning
14:14:18 <boily> elliott: what you frowning at?
14:15:11 <boily> @tell oerjan why are you being frowned at?
14:15:58 <Bike> "hth" in the /quit
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14:20:04 <boily> did we already relcome ggherdov?
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15:18:10 <HackEgo> olist (914): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
15:20:57 <HackEgo> olist (100): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
15:21:10 <Roujo> I have no idea what this is
15:21:11 <Bike> wow roujo why are you ruining the sanctity of the list system.
15:21:17 <HackEgo> Update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick.
15:22:03 <Roujo> Sorry, I didn't think it'd break something
15:22:17 <Bike> the only think you've broken is our hearts.
15:22:36 <shachaf> Bike: hey i was typing that :'(
15:33:16 <Bike> how is haskell's i/o organized? like, i assume you can have parsec or whatever deal about the same with a file or with just a string?
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15:33:48 <Bike> would you just pass a lazy string or is there something else, is what i'm asking, i guess
15:34:37 <elliott> it is less nice than you are expecting
15:34:56 <Bike> i'm not really expecting anything. i/o fucking sucks
15:35:10 <elliott> well, you made an assumption
15:35:15 <elliott> it's sort of true but not in any nice way you might be hoping
15:35:25 <Bike> is my assumption that parsec works on both wrong?
15:35:33 <Bike> works on both without some horrible nastiness, anyway
15:36:02 <Bike> just wondering if there's something like CL (oh no) streams or scheme ports or whatever
15:36:33 <elliott> there's about five competing alternatives to fill that need
15:36:43 <elliott> parsec supports none of them but it's flexible enough to feed incrementally from a file with a bit of work, I think.
15:37:04 <Bike> are there seven packages putting the five alternatives into unifying monads
15:39:05 <Bike> oh and as long as i'm mentioning parsec, how does the whole language derivative thing work? what multiplication and addition operations do you use to show leibniz's identity? bla bla
15:39:20 <Bike> hey elliott fuck u
15:40:10 <Bike> i was thinking of the time i asked about error handling and kmc or somebody pointed out a couple different things that tried to genericize error handling
15:40:24 <Bike> believe there's a "clevr quote" on this subject
15:41:47 <Bike> MonadError, that was it
15:47:44 <lambdabot> jjuggle says: I was riding around town and this cop on patrol on a bike rode up next to me and said, "There's always a show off." I offered to teach him to ride and help set up a unicycle patrol
15:55:02 <ggherdov> yes boily I was warmly wellcame a few weeks ago. Thank you!
16:13:18 <Roujo> Ah, but were you relcame?
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17:20:04 <Phantom_Hoover> MEANWHILE IN /R/ANARCHO_CAPITALISM: http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/1kwy3p/how_would_anarchocapitalism_work_for_a_lowclass/cbtj774
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17:20:10 <boily> zzo38: how do you feel about insertion?
17:20:18 <Phantom_Hoover> (i know it's not /r/bitcoin but let's face it they're basically the same)
17:20:57 <boily> not enough working neurons today to parse that comment.
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17:21:27 <Bike> haha there's an r/anarcho_capitalism
17:21:44 <zzo38> boily: Insert what?
17:22:17 <Bike> oh, i saw this one before
17:22:30 <boily> zzo38: Koen_'s misadventures with vim on OS X.
17:22:49 <Koen_> the problem's not os x
17:23:06 <Bike> «I don't mean to offend anyone or be "that person" to say anarcho-capitalism is only for rich, white people,»
17:23:19 <Bike> holy fuck, is this unironic bootstrap
17:23:27 <Bike> holly fuck. fucking carnegie. holy fuck
17:23:41 <Bike> they're completely serious. holy shit. holy what the fuck phantom
17:23:52 <Koen_> that's a cool justification
17:24:05 <Koen_> like "I'm usually not violent but here's my fist in your face"
17:24:17 <Bike> the banner is also good
17:24:25 <Bike> perfect depiction of how anarcho capitalists imagine themselves
17:24:27 <Bike> fucking bowtie
17:24:32 <Phantom_Hoover> '"Government regulation makes sure the proles are fed."Actually, it ensures their slavery to statism.'
17:25:24 <Phantom_Hoover> i have however developed a loathing for the term 'govt'
17:26:08 <Bike> may i suggest not going through this thread
17:26:36 <Bike> i mean, for your own safety, you understand
17:26:56 <Bike> (i am the statist oppressor)
17:27:11 <coppro> I'm totally the statist oppressor
17:27:17 <Bike> no it's me fucker
17:27:18 <Phantom_Hoover> i will instead try and sift out garth marenghi's opinions on government
17:27:30 <Bike> i am the statiest!!
17:27:46 <boily> let Phantom_Hoover read the thread, I say. the end result will be entertaining :D
17:28:00 <Bike> that sounds anarcho-capitalist. i must now oppress you.
17:28:05 <Bike> elliott: i command that you devoice boily.
17:28:38 <Bike> are you opposing the rule of law phantom
17:29:23 <elliott> oh wow that subreddit's logo
17:29:38 <Bike> to make me laugh? maybe
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17:30:14 <Bike> smash the nonstate
17:30:18 <elliott> nobody ever tell me I don't oppress them enough.
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17:30:22 * boily hides himself behind Roujo. "I didn't do nothing!"
17:30:35 <elliott> the karmic balance isn't right!!
17:30:41 <metasepia> Your divination: "Brightness Hiding" to "Humbling"
17:30:58 <boily> there. whatever that means.
17:31:00 <Bike> mmhm, that backs up the karmic balance description
17:31:07 <Bike> good job elliott. now devoice boily
17:31:07 <metasepia> Your divination: "Pervading" to "Corrupting"
17:32:19 <boily> does map-o-spread still exist? it's been a while since I had it on my breakfast toasts...
17:32:39 <metasepia> Your divination: "Arguing" to "Treading"
17:32:49 <metasepia> Your divination: "Converting the Maiden" to "Open"
17:33:00 <kmc> converting vegetarians, minding the gap since 1996
17:33:17 <Bike> you're going to wear out the hexagrams, peeps! watch it
17:34:44 <boily> transitions. we can still abuse metasepia for a while.
17:36:55 <boily> kmc: maidens are vegetarians?
17:37:02 <kmc> some of them
17:38:49 <Roujo> Oh, so the combinations never come back?
17:39:14 <Bike> i ching mother fucker
17:39:34 <boily> Roujo: they do, but Bike is an anarcho-suppressor today.
17:39:39 <boily> Bike: check your privileges!
17:39:53 <metasepia> Your divination: "Conjoining" to "Skinning"
17:39:57 <Roujo> fsck /dev/privileges
17:39:59 <mnoqy> sounds about right
17:40:02 <Bike> my privileges are telling me to oppress roujo
17:40:14 <Bike> thx privileges
17:41:11 <boily> I was originally planning to have an sqlite DB to back the yi thingy, in order to have complete descriptions and stuff and relations and everything and ascii art...
17:41:35 <boily> I guess it's going to get lumped in the Great Cosmic Todo List of my Increasingly Vaporiferous Second Bot Iteration.
17:41:45 <metasepia> dag definition: a hanging end or shred.
17:42:29 <boily> ça a bin d'l'air que c'est ça qui est ça, なるほど, and all that sort of thing.
17:43:01 <Roujo> boily: Emily has been completely refactors three to four times already
17:43:05 <Roujo> It's good for her health =P
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17:44:19 <boily> Roujo: I'll give a go at cuttlefishing that bot during the fête du travail. probably.
17:44:29 <boily> (that or I'll be shuffling mahjon tiles)
17:45:46 <Roujo> I'll be at a wedding, so good luck ^^
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17:51:41 <Phantom_Hoover> "Oh what the government?" "Yes! I'm not gonna call them that, because I don't believe they govern."
17:53:12 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: ow. ooooooooow. please stop. the few remaining floating solid mushy bits in my cranium are raising riots to overthrow my body away and replace it with a benevolent dictator that will provide them with a lifelong sugar supply.
17:53:57 <boily> I call dibs on calling poe's law on that one.
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17:58:01 <kmc> did I mention http://archive.ics.uci.edu/ml/datasets/Mushroom
17:58:16 <boily> oh, uci has a mushroom set!
17:58:24 <Bike> that's a lot of mushrooms.
17:59:30 <kmc> only Agaricus and Lepiota though
17:59:40 <kmc> lots of observations but only 23 species
18:00:03 <kmc> and "No Lepiota species is recommended as edible"
18:00:10 <Bike> good observation
18:00:16 <kmc> (edibility being what the data set is meant to classify)
18:00:44 <kmc> maybe they are easily confused with Agaricus though
18:02:34 <kmc> same family and it looks like they used to be considered the same genus
18:02:39 <kmc> that happens a lot with mushrooms
18:02:55 <kmc> type species confusion, moving species between genera
18:03:12 <kmc> Psilocybe cubensis used to be Stropharia cubensis
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18:04:42 <kmc> Stropharia rugosoannulata is pretty and delicious
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18:04:54 <kmc> we found them growing on MIT's campus at one point
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18:10:35 <kmc> fixed a bug with "give up and use memcpy"
18:10:51 <boily> I should get to mushroom hunting. it sounds fun.
18:10:57 <Bike> good song, too
18:11:13 <boily> “oh baby... give up and use memcpy ♪”
18:11:25 <Bike> i meant mushroom hunting!!
18:11:44 <kmc> I don't know that one
18:11:53 <boily> “oh baby... give up and use mushroom hunting ♪”
18:12:04 <Bike> it's from an anime. i'm a weeaboo :(
18:12:11 <kmc> Bike: I think the pacific northwest is good for mushroom hunting
18:12:29 <Bike> www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmIsNpDimQ0
18:12:33 <kmc> in SF the mushrooms season starts in september
18:12:37 <Bike> kmc: yeah, but i live in the dry part now >______>
18:12:45 <kmc> that's true
18:12:53 <boily> there's dry pacific northwest?
18:13:00 <kmc> douglass: do you have any advice about mushroom hunting in eastern Washington state?
18:13:03 <Bike> yeah, east of the cascades it's near-desert.
18:13:28 <Bike> nobody cares about east of the cascades. the population density drops in much the same way the density drops from land to the ocean
18:13:52 <boily> Bike: so you live in a desert in the ocean, with mushrooms?
18:15:22 <Phantom_Hoover> i don't think i even knew the cascades were a thing until recently
18:15:44 <Phantom_Hoover> i thought the only mountain ranges in the mainland us were like the rockies and the appalachians
18:15:49 <Bike> they're kind of overshadowed by the rockies, almost literally
18:15:52 <boily> Roujo: http://youtu.be/-ecg5_Y08KI
18:16:39 <Bike> i mean have you seen the rockies. they're /really/ tall
18:16:53 <Bike> cascades are part of the ring of fire, though, which is somewhat more notable
18:17:04 <boily> our rockies are better than your rockies south of the border.
18:17:13 <Bike> everyone in this state has a story about being covered in ash
18:18:20 <Phantom_Hoover> aren't the rockies continuous with like the grampians and the mountains in norway
18:18:49 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, oooh, I heard that!
18:19:06 <Bike> are you saying the rockies and some mountains in norway are the same range
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18:19:27 <Bike> ok good that was confusing
18:19:47 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Cordillera Oh. Huh. That's interesting
18:19:50 <Bike> Phantom_Hoover: so, again, what.
18:20:27 <elliott> `addquote <Bike> are you saying the rockies and some mountains in norway are the same range
18:20:31 <HackEgo> 1095) <Bike> are you saying the rockies and some mountains in norway are the same range
18:20:48 <Bike> oh, right, continents move sometimes
18:21:02 <Bike> but seriously the "rockies" go down to antarctica. damn yo
18:21:20 <boily> am I allowed to forward the quote list to a friend to help him understand the extent of what #esöteric is, or must this valuable knowledge be kept hidden?
18:21:26 <Bike> elliott: i like how my quotes get across that i am an idiot
18:21:30 <mnoqy> antarctica is probably rocky yes
18:21:41 <Bike> boily: don't tell anyone, but i've done it...........
18:21:43 <mnoqy> interested re: this idiot business
18:21:44 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18054
18:21:51 <Bike> wow ur mean mnoqy
18:21:51 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25683
18:22:18 <boily> uhm. how come the only boily quote that comes out is that one?
18:22:26 <HackEgo> 925) <olsner> boily: the man eating chicken is just a normal man, it's quite common to eat chicken in some parts of the world \ 926) <elliott> ~eval 1+2 <cuttlefish> Error (127): <elliott> this is a great bot boily i love it \ 935) <boily> not only there is no God, but try to find an APL keyboard on Sunday. \ 938) <boily> ais523: I'm not sure my
18:22:39 <boily> I mean. I got an impressive record just there ↑
18:22:59 <boily> (fsvo impressive. with the current economy collapse, that's what you get.)
18:23:12 <Bike> i still laugh at elliott's hawaii quote
18:23:30 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14992
18:24:12 <boily> Bike: I like the lens one. perfectly coherent.
18:24:18 <HackEgo> 901) <elliott> okay so <elliott> i went to wikimapia per Bike <elliott> and found a tiny little nowhere that looked like it might be it <elliott> zoomed in <elliott> thought aw yeah this looks remote maybe it's it <elliott> turns out it's hawaii <elliott> i am not very good at this
18:24:49 <Bike> boily: slightly worried that i have more than one lens quote
18:25:30 <boily> Bike: oh hm. you should use lenses to gather them, then.
18:26:25 <boily> Bike: there, some weeabeats to distract you: http://youtu.be/w6DUeJHYTRU
18:26:37 <Bike> i have no ears rn, lent them out
18:26:39 <Bike> thx anyway tho
18:27:54 <boily> why do you always invoke registered nurses...
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18:28:13 <Bike> nurses do a lot of good work ,man.
18:31:56 <HackEgo> 728) <Taneb> hang on I have bright idea <Taneb> navajo to f me 1 in 3 people
18:32:08 <Taneb> `quote profanity spe
18:32:09 <HackEgo> 729) <Taneb> profanity specialities
18:32:19 <HackEgo> 730) <Taneb> thank you verse I'm not quite innocent
18:32:24 <mnoqy> is this from when you tried speech recognition
18:32:25 <Taneb> That was a fun half hour
18:32:32 <fungot> boily: sir john. neighbour banks, into brian's walk, the mad keeper. here comes brabantio and the valiant moor.
18:32:39 <mnoqy> what a good technology
18:33:18 <HackEgo> 719) <Ngevd> I don't know which version of Linux kernel I'm using atm <Ngevd> Hang on <Ngevd> I'm on Windows
18:33:52 <boily> is identity commutative?
18:35:36 <boily> mnoqy: thanks. I was worried for a moment there.
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18:40:44 <kmc> Taneb: those are fun quotes
18:40:56 <kmc> do you remember what you said?
18:41:18 <Taneb> kmc, apart from "Hang on, I have a bright idea", no
18:41:39 <Taneb> Also, I've just realised I pronounce xor the same as one of the Latin words for wife
18:41:55 <kmc> which word?
18:42:56 <Taneb> Which would, I guess, make sense
18:45:01 <Taneb> I have a stupid awful speech thingy
18:45:20 <Taneb> Where speech thingy is somewhere between accent and voice
18:47:04 <Taneb> (I begin both "xor" and "uxor" with kind of a very short oo sound)
18:47:22 <Fiora> I say "zor" I think
18:48:02 <kmc> i say either "zor" or "eks or" depending
18:48:07 <nooodl> uxor is pronounced "ook-sor" though, not "uck-sor"
18:48:23 <nooodl> oh it is a short oo sound? wow that's a weird way to say xor
18:48:27 <kmc> obviously one should say "add in the finite field of size 2"
18:48:43 <Taneb> Very back of the throat vowel sound, too
18:49:06 <mnoqy> i try to avoid situations in which i'd have to say xor
18:49:52 <kmc> life goals
18:49:58 <kmc> just say no to xor
18:51:15 <nooodl> i guess hypothetically i'd just say ksor
18:51:26 <nooodl> (what the heck is english's problem with initial /ks/)
18:52:18 <Jafet> Pronounce xor, instead of "xor" or "xor", "xor" xor "xor".
18:52:41 <mnoqy> im fine with ~ksor~ and ~zor~ and i could probably say either if i'm not paying attention to how i pronounce things
18:52:54 <mnoqy> under such circumstances i can also see myself saying "exclusive or" though
18:53:26 <zzo38> Someone once said you have to hit you and "or", to make "xor"
18:53:34 <zzo38> But that isn't a real speech
18:53:35 <Koen_> you can say ksor or you can say zor but you can't say both
18:57:55 <nooodl> also: i'd probably say "ksnor"
19:01:11 <Koen_> I've never understood that one
19:01:19 <Koen_> "xnor" is the same as "not xor" right?
19:01:23 <Koen_> so that should be nxor
19:01:44 <zzo38> Koen_: Yes I agree I have called it NXOR instead of XNOR usually
19:01:46 <Koen_> "exclusive nor" doesn't make that much sense does it?
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19:03:43 <boily> during Bike's absence, I autoproclaim myself to be the appointed oppressor.
19:04:07 <boily> I arbitrarily declare zzo38 to be oppressed.
19:04:38 <kmc> i call it "equals"
19:05:07 <zzo38> Why do you arbitrarily declare zzo38 to be oppressed.
19:05:25 <Koen_> I'm sure that was arbitrary, nothing personnal
19:06:11 <boily> I guess I could have thrown some dice to randomly have an oppressed designated victim, but then it'd have implied a very complex chorded keypress to get to the tilde.
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19:06:28 <Phantom_Hoover> is declaring someone to be oppressed a form of oppression
19:06:37 <boily> Bike: go away. I like my power just fine.
19:06:58 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: yup! the easiest form you can imbue yourself with!
19:07:57 <zzo38> Actually I just wonder why, is all.
19:08:41 <boily> there's no why. in fact, as a dictator, I shouldn't have to provide any why.
19:09:24 <boily> and if you question my decision, I'll unleash a cold, wet and slimy starfish upon you.
19:10:41 <zzo38> I don't care; I think we should need to know why!
19:11:11 * boily hones a starfish...
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19:42:30 <lambdabot> elliott said 5h 28m 34s ago: I frown upon this loophole
19:42:30 <lambdabot> boily said 5h 27m 18s ago: why are you being frowned at?
19:43:17 <oerjan> boily: he doesn't like me using the quit message to get around the script preventing me from saying
19:43:59 <boily> there's... what? a script from unhthing you?
19:44:05 <boily> I like that concept.
19:44:56 <oerjan> it's not unprecedented, Gregor ha[ds] a script to stop him saying :P
19:45:11 <Gregor> I don't use that smiley anymore.
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19:55:38 <boily> sacje: today's Question: how do you feel about insertino?
19:57:16 <sacje> i believe it is a complicated manner and i will consider all the options before arriving at a conclusion
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20:01:12 <ais523> hey, anyone here know a file on Linux that can be opened for read successfully, but which cannot be successfully read from?
20:01:13 <boily> sacje: tbh it's a matter of to vim or not to vim.
20:01:21 <boily> ais523: /dev/zero?
20:01:31 <ais523> nah, you can read from that successfully
20:01:33 <ais523> you get a bunch of zeros
20:01:54 <kmc> what about /dev/full
20:02:01 <ais523> hmm… the man page suggests that a tty may work in a process that ignores SIGTTIN
20:02:06 <ais523> kmc: I think that returns EOF
20:02:13 <kmc> oh mine returns zeroes
20:02:18 <metasepia> On POSIX-compliant platforms, SIGTTIN is the signal sent to a process when it attempts to read from the tty while in the background.
20:02:25 <kmc> I thought there was supposed to be /dev/empty but I don't have one
20:02:33 <boily> SIGTTIN sounds right, but complex.
20:02:34 <ais523> it's easy enough to create
20:02:48 <boily> what about mknodding it?
20:03:35 <olsner> doesn't /dev/null do that?
20:03:44 <ais523> yeah, /dev/null is empty on read
20:04:39 <olsner> did you want something that actually fails on read rather than behave as an empty file?
20:05:09 <ais523> olsner: yeah, I want the read to physically error out
20:05:26 <boily> is it possible to emulate a disk IO error?
20:05:43 <olsner> if you want that file as stdin maybe <&- or something could work?
20:05:45 <boily> I think there was a research fake filesystem that you fused for that kind of fuzzing purpose.
20:05:47 <ais523> this came out out of a discussion about whether "return NULL;" is a valid implementation of gets()
20:05:51 <ais523> boily: web of lies could do it
20:06:08 <ais523> but I'm not mentally up to screwing with that codebase yet
20:06:21 <boily> zzo38: woooooooooah... that is some nifty discovery.
20:06:27 <kmc> you could just write a kernel module
20:06:34 <ais523> boily: basically it's a debugger-like system that sandboxes a program, also can cause arbitrary system calls it makes to return arbitrary return values
20:06:50 <ais523> it's not very hard to make it output -EIO to any attempt to call read(), for instance
20:07:05 <ais523> rather harder to make it return -EIO only on specific read attempts, though
20:08:48 <HackEgo> cat: -: Bad file descriptor \ cat: closing standard input: Bad file descriptor
20:09:26 <ais523> hmm… the first error there is perfectly reasonable
20:09:28 <ais523> the second, however, isn't
20:10:06 <boily> cat: -: Mauvais descripteur de fichier
20:10:08 <boily> cat: fermeture de l'entrée standard: Mauvais descripteur de fichier
20:10:27 <olsner> I think it's trying to read from (and then close) fd 0 but there's no file open for that file descriptor (bash closed it)
20:10:57 <ais523> but if you try to read from a file descriptor and discover it doesn't exist
20:11:02 <ais523> trying to follow up by closing it is a bug
20:11:16 <ais523> boily: I actually have a French locale installed specifically for the purpose of making sure I don't make assumptions about locale when parsing error output from programs
20:12:25 <zzo38> ais523: I didn't consider that, although it is a good idea. However another idea might be for your program to switch to a default locale while running in order to avoid these problem.
20:12:25 <boily> my $LANG is set to fr_CA.UTF-8 because that's the way I like it, and because our workplace mandates having everythin in french.
20:12:50 <ais523> zzo38: that is my solution, but I need a second locale installed to test that that solution works
20:13:08 <zzo38> ais523: Yes, OK, that makes sense.
20:13:38 <ais523> the other reason I have it installed is so that I can check for encoding problems in parsing locale-specific error messages, when the user requests that
20:14:32 <kmc> Mauvais descripteur de fichier
20:15:12 <HackEgo> cat: -: Bad file descriptor \ cat: -: Bad file descriptor \ cat: closing standard input: Bad file descriptor
20:15:16 <Bike> boily: you in quebec or new brunswick or what, out of curiosity
20:15:39 <ais523> OK, I'm guessing that cat attempts to close stdin no matter what
20:15:47 <ais523> `run cat /etc/passwd <&-
20:15:48 <HackEgo> cat: /etc/passwd: No such file or directory
20:16:00 <ais523> `run cat - /etc/passwd - <&-
20:16:01 <HackEgo> cat: -: Bad file descriptor \ cat: /etc/passwd: No such file or directory \ cat: -: Bad file descriptor \ cat: closing standard input: Bad file descriptor
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20:16:28 <olsner> it may or may not close stdin? is this a good thing to do
20:16:45 <Koen_> why have I never tried closing stdin
20:16:56 <ais523> Koen_: because it's normally pointless
20:16:56 <olsner> why doesn't each - get its own close attempt?
20:17:04 <ais523> it's quite reasonable when daemonizing, though
20:17:16 <Koen_> ais523: probably, but it sounds like something I'd need to *test*
20:17:28 <ais523> closing stderr is more fun
20:17:37 <ais523> `run cat /etc/passwd 2>&-
20:17:41 <Koen_> but recently there's a lot of stuff I don't think about testing
20:17:50 <ais523> because you can't tell whether the command malfunctions or not
20:17:50 <Koen_> I used to wanna test everything
20:18:04 <ais523> except via strace or the like
20:19:20 <ais523> $ strace -e trace=write -o /tmp/t cat /nonexistent 2>&-
20:19:47 <ais523> apparently, it keeps trying to write error messages even though the kernel's spamming -EBADF at it
20:20:24 <ais523> hmm… if stdout is closed, do freshly opened files get the number 2 or 3?
20:21:49 <boily> Bike: in Montréal.
20:22:16 <olsner> `run ls -l /proc/self/fd <&-
20:22:18 <HackEgo> total 0 \ lr-x------ 1 5000 928466 64 Aug 26 20:22 0 -> /proc/287/fd \ l-wx------ 1 5000 928466 64 Aug 26 20:22 1 -> pipe:[251] \ l-wx------ 1 5000 928466 64 Aug 26 20:22 2 -> /tty1 \ lr-x------ 1 5000 928466 64 Aug 26 20:22 3 -> /console \ l-wx------ 1 5000 928466 64 Aug 26 20:22 4 -> /console \ lr-x------ 1 5000 928466 64 Aug 26 20:22 5 -> /tty1
20:23:35 <HackEgo> 926) <elliott> ~eval 1+2 <cuttlefish> Error (127): <elliott> this is a great bot boily i love it
20:23:49 <ais523> it appears to have opened a directory onto fd 0
20:24:06 <ais523> ooh, this has /lots/ of scope for causing programs to malfunction in bizarre ways
20:24:49 <boily> oerjan: where do I trail? what have a incongruously spaced?
20:25:21 <Roujo> boily: You're trailed your trail in space
20:25:38 <oerjan> boily: `quote boily gives just that quote when there's a space after the y
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20:26:08 <oerjan> this is a frequent result of tab completing nicks, i've fixed it in several other commands
20:26:16 <boily> oerjan: s/\ba\b/I/
20:26:35 <boily> oerjan: ooooooh...
20:26:35 <HackEgo> 84) <AnMaster> fungot!*@* added to ignore list. <fungot> AnMaster: i'd find that a bit annoying to wait for an ack. \ 89) <soupdragon> if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect <soupdragon> ^ I learned that trick from atheists \ 298) <zzo38> <elliott>
20:26:56 <ais523> olsner: what are you trying to match there?
20:27:00 <boily> ais523: my bot works just fine.
20:27:09 <lambdabot> parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched...
20:27:11 <HackEgo> 758) <monqy> ophanim: omee~ \ 923) <Sgeo> I feel like (A.~[:i.[:!#) is verbose \ 926) <elliott> ~eval 1+2 <cuttlefish> Error (127): <elliott> this is a great bot boily i love it
20:27:12 <ais523> trailing spaces are hard to see
20:27:12 <olsner> ais523: trailing spaces yes
20:27:27 <boily> ais523: you don't say.
20:27:58 <HackEgo> *poof* <monqy> ophanim: omee~
20:28:11 <ais523> yeah, that quote needed deleting
20:28:13 <boily> who was ophanim? why did mnoqy omee~ him/her/it/[EXPUNGED]?
20:31:57 <Koen_> ais523: so as it turns out, writing the .c file to close stdin with emacs caused the terminal to crash
20:32:06 <Koen_> I mean I didn't even compile it
20:32:07 <oerjan> Gregor: have you considered making HackEgo strip final spaces on input
20:32:14 <ais523> Koen_: that is probably some other problem, then
20:32:27 <ais523> it's rare for C files to do anything useful unless an attempt is made to compile and/or run them
20:32:38 <Koen_> I think the terminal understood I was trying to harm it
20:32:48 <Koen_> and shut me out before I could do so
20:33:15 <olsner> some C files are also programs in other languages (but even then, you usually have to compile or run them)
20:34:18 <ais523> olsner: I specifically said "compile and/or run" for that reason :)
20:37:12 <olsner> it'd be interesting to have a file where viewing it is enough to cause the terminal to "compile and/or run" it
20:37:52 <ais523> olsner: I have a few terminal test files which are specifically used via catting them to the terminal
20:38:08 <ais523> which are polyglots of various terminal types
20:38:43 <ais523> see, for instance, http://nethack4.org/media/charset.vt100
20:39:58 <boily> I don't have IBM graphics :(
20:40:46 <Koen_> ais523: so apparently closing stdin, stdout or stderr doesn't have any effect other than them not being open any more
20:41:03 <ais523> Koen_: on the terminal? no, it doesn't
20:41:09 <Koen_> but write(STDOUT, str, len); doesn't crash when stdout is closed, it just doesn't do anything
20:41:10 <ais523> terminals mostly don't care which programs have the open
20:41:27 <ais523> the system call returns -EBADF
20:41:40 <ais523> which translates into setting errno to EBADF and returning the error return value, in C
20:42:04 <Koen_> I may have discarded the return value
20:43:14 <Koen_> http://pastebin.com/8TCfmYrM
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20:59:32 <boily> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURGH! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?
21:00:01 <boily> stupid undocumented mess of a fungot of stupid XML of the hair of a horse's buttocks.
21:00:02 <fungot> boily: macd. is thy name: i like not faire tearmes, and a slaue of mee, as i take it
21:00:59 <boily> when you get a json error complaining about a mismatched '}' because you swapped single and double quote in a tag attribute...
21:00:59 <fizzie> fungot: Do you mind people (well, just boily, I guess) using you as a swear word?
21:01:01 <fungot> fizzie: enter count rossillion and the frenchmen, as at work: my old master, and to drinkings and swearings and starings, pribbles and prabbles? will not he? catesby. he doth entreat your grace to his maiesties parliament, holden at bury the first of britain which did put his browes within a golden crowne, heauen for his mercy: hear your sentence you haue conspir'd against our royal person as is the air, and forth again, as if
21:01:31 <boily> frenchmen and rossillions and salmiakki, oh my!
21:01:41 * boily wildly flails around
21:03:36 <boily> fizzie: I can't use my precious bot as a swearing target, and I have a sentimental attachment to yours.
21:04:20 <boily> ∴, fungot has it. besides, it helps me calm down like a nice mint herbal tea.
21:04:20 <fungot> boily: 1. tis likely, by all your good leaues gentlemen; heere ile make my heauen in a ladies lappe, and she there dead, that's romeos faithfull wife: i, and the tallest: it is my fashion when i see my shame in him.
21:08:04 <ais523> what would make you want to use the name of a bot as a swearword anyway, though?
21:08:58 <boily> no idea. it works.
21:09:16 <olsner> fungot: what did you do to deserve this?
21:09:17 <fungot> olsner: othello. would! nay, hear me, hero: wooing, wedding, and repenting is as a fever longing still, for that which is the mightier, in his time thought false: and fnord crispian shall ne're goe by, from this vnhallow'd and blood-stained hole?
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21:10:44 <olsner> Fnord Crispian, sounds namey
21:11:16 <boily> what's my daily dibs quota? I'd really like to use that name for my next roleplay.
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21:21:04 <olsner> boily: ask fungot nicely and it might give you the rights
21:21:05 <fungot> olsner: bull. i know him, ' tis not my profit that does lead mine honour: mine honour it, repent that ere thy tongue, that truth should be suspected. speak, pyramus. thisby, stand forth.
21:21:56 <boily> fungot: please, with shiny teary eyes as in 少女 anime?
21:21:56 <fungot> boily: cas. how now, what newes with your mastership? la. i prethee recount some of them.
21:22:15 <zzo38> I don't really like 4e much; I like 3.5e
21:22:24 <zzo38> You can play 4e if you want, though
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21:22:56 <olsner> boily: fungot prethees, make of that what you want
21:22:57 <fungot> olsner: falstaff. let me be punish'd, sovereign, lest example breed, by his highness' warrant, master shrieve: dispose of them, and if it be now, ' tis with vs, we shall begin our ancient fnord lordings, farewell; and be proud of thy bondage. i have it: we have always truly serv'd you; and beseech so to esteem of us: keep on your way
21:23:12 <boily> @tell zzo38 our DM's been working for some time now on a custom system that we haven't tested yet.
21:23:49 <boily> we also play paranoia from time to time, but my character's name is fixed and set. «Shlebesh Gurgudugurgudu».
21:28:56 <oerjan> i doubt the Computer would approve of that name, Citizen
21:31:09 <boily> it's my own personal name. other people don't have to know it :D
21:32:04 <Taneb> I don't think the computer approves of secrets, Citizen
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21:33:49 <HackEgo> boily is the brother of Roujo's brother and he's monetizing the company Roujo works at, or something Canadian like that.
21:34:45 <HackEgo> olsner seems to exist at least.
21:34:55 <Taneb> So he definitely isn't Canadian
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21:35:33 <HackEgo> Roujo is still a Java heretic. His claim to Canadianness is soon to be verified by boily, treaties be damned. A cocktail and destruction of the Universe are scheduled at 19h00.
21:35:34 <olsner> well, stuff like Canada may *seem* to exist without actually existing
21:36:17 <Taneb> olsner, ever seen Scott Pilgrim? In that film, Canada doesn't seem to exist at all!
21:36:23 <ais523> olsner: I think we've decided that Canada is in fact the only country such that we're confident it exists
21:36:51 <olsner> ais523: wow, what a plot twist
21:37:18 <ais523> a while back, not quite sure how long, though; it's possible that time itself is unreliable for that purpose
21:37:23 <olsner> Taneb: as far as I recall that film had nothing to do with Canada
21:37:33 <oerjan> it is possible ais523 got sent through an anti-truth wormhole
21:37:41 <HackEgo> Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl.
21:37:51 <HackEgo> elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? He is also tire. And a lystrosaur.
21:38:06 <Taneb> olsner, the first line is "In the far off land of Toronto, Canada, Scott Pilgrim is dating a high schooler"
21:38:07 <HackEgo> D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them.
21:38:32 <olsner> is it possible for time to conspire such that the time during which we're confident that Canada exists doesn't exist?
21:39:11 <Taneb> I think so, but I'm not confident
21:40:38 <Roujo> I can confirm that Canada can exist
21:40:45 <Roujo> Whether it does...
21:41:07 <Roujo> `? whether it does
21:41:09 <HackEgo> whether it does? ¯\(°_o)/¯
21:41:24 <Taneb> Canada may be the country I've got second-closest to on land without actually visiting
21:41:45 <Taneb> Second to the Vatican
21:42:06 <olsner> when in rome ... visit the vatican!
21:42:13 <kmc> what about passing through on a train without stopping
21:42:14 <kmc> does that count
21:42:25 <olsner> (on second thought, don't bother, it's really just a big church)
21:42:31 <kmc> it's pretty!
21:42:54 <boily> kmc: we don't have trains. rumours of Via Rail still existing are unfounded and blatant lies.
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21:49:04 <kmc> btw happy UK Summer Bank Holiday everyone!
21:49:17 <kmc> (Scotland excepted)
21:49:36 <ais523> although that mostly just annoyed me
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21:53:04 <lambdabot> Local time for fizzie is Tue Aug 27 00:53:04 2013
21:53:18 <boily> @tell oerjan お休みなさい！
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22:34:01 <Bike> http://books.google.com/books/about/Ramanujan_Revisited.html?id=GJUEAQAAIAAJ "Religion > Hinduism > General" hey how about fuck you
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22:45:11 <kmc> bikeyellsatamazon.tumblr.com
22:45:36 <Bike> why would follow any other tumblr? (TM)
22:45:57 <boily> it should feature tom selleck, waterfalls and sandwiches.
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23:19:54 <kmc> Address 0x1 is not stack'd, malloc'd or (recently) free'd
23:20:09 <Bike> who would have guessed
23:20:42 <ais523> what might be fun: find a platform where the stack grows upwards
23:20:54 <ais523> and using mmap and sigaltstack trickery, get the stack to start at NULL
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23:34:32 <boily> nothing like a good youtube touhou mix full blast in your earphones when doing overtime.
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