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00:25:35 <kmc> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24328773 news article about hot, naked finns
00:41:28 <oerjan> exactly what i expected.
00:42:25 <kmc> it's cool that you can get a sauna box for watching the ice hockey game
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01:00:07 <Sgeo> If Racket-style metaprogramming is compilation-like, and Tcl-style metaprogramming is interpretation-like, what is Ruby-style metaprogramming?
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01:05:14 <oerjan> kmc: bbc's habit of dropping all accents looks really weird when clashing with finnish vowel harmony
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01:05:51 <oerjan> like, i _new_ loyly couldn't be correct, despite never having seen the word before.
01:06:17 <Sgeo> "If compilers can't understand the program, humans probably don't have a good shot either"
01:07:34 <oerjan> kmc: and it gets particularly ridiculous when they're making a short _dictionary_...
01:08:12 <zzo38> What is Forth-style metaprogramming, Unofficial-MagicKit-style metaprogramming, CLC-INTERCAL-style metaprogramming, etc?
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01:19:39 <kmc> bonghits-style metaprogramming
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01:25:37 <oerjan> in http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24330722 they managed to keep an ı in kısanak but dropped a lot of other accents.
01:25:49 <oerjan> (also that looks like some progress)
01:27:20 <kmc> maybe the policy is that they will always remove dots but never add them
01:28:44 <oerjan> well sirri sakik should have had the dots dropped too, so it's simply very inconsistent.
01:31:16 <oerjan> (also gulten kısanak is still not _correct_, there are two other letters that _should_ have accents. and wikipedia thinks the e should be an a.)
01:32:06 <kmc> my font makes ı look ugly :(
01:32:12 <kmc> it should look exactly the same as i without the dot, yeah?
01:36:04 * oerjan swats shachaf -----###
01:36:32 <shachaf> that was the only reason i came back
01:37:31 <shachaf> oerjan: what is it and why does it sapple
01:38:07 <oerjan> sorry my recollection of dmm australian is weak
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01:44:59 <oerjan> `addquote <boily> aaaaaurgh. you're making me think on a Monday! that shouldn't be happening!
01:45:03 <HackEgo> 1114) <boily> aaaaaurgh. you're making me think on a Monday! that shouldn't be happening!
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02:17:57 <Sgeo> (define-syntax-rule (defer . e)
02:17:58 <Sgeo> (defer-funcall ((λ () . e))))
02:18:17 <Sgeo> err, Racket? Some languages don't have lambda syntax that's so verbose people feel like reaching for macros to hide them in
02:27:06 <Sgeo> Ok, I'll admit how the list of definitions in DrRacket knows about defines produced by macros
02:27:11 <Sgeo> ^that that's neat
02:48:24 <Sgeo> At least from a "that would be completely impossible in Tcl" standpoint
02:55:12 <^v> am i looking at an entire convorsation
02:55:20 <^v> because it seems you are talking to yourself
02:59:48 <coppro> ^v: we get that a lot around here
03:02:54 <oerjan> this is nothing against oklopol's famous monologues
03:20:13 <zzo38> ^v: Sometimes an entire conversation does involve talking to yourself, in here, mostly in case someone else doesn't want to answer for some reason (such as not knowing the answer, or not on the IRC window)
03:24:39 <Sgeo> There's an obvious type mismatch between Qoppa and Racket
03:24:50 <Sgeo> Racket functions take values, Qoppa operatives take code
03:25:33 <Sgeo> Qoppa "functions" should ideally just be operatives that eval the code they're passed, so can't just say "Only Qoppa functions may be passed to Racket code"
03:26:10 <Sgeo> Maybe Racket values, when given to a Qoppa operative, are sort of opaque things that the only thing you can do with them is eval to get an actual value
03:48:35 <Bike> the days were those.
03:48:57 <oklopol> also i have a feeling the guy who wrote the sauna article has never even been to a finnish sauna
03:49:06 <oklopol> "Within seconds a wave of moist heat creeps up around your ankles and over your legs before enveloping your whole body. Your pores open up and sweat covers you from head to toe."
03:49:19 <oklopol> creeps up around your ankles?
03:51:55 <oklopol> also loyly should obviously have umlaut
04:04:36 <oerjan> oklopol: see further discussion about how they mangled turkish
04:06:26 <kmc> perhaps i should have called them qopperatives
04:07:43 <oklopol> yeah i kind of guessed that you have already mentioned the loyly issue
04:08:23 <kmc> http://i.imgur.com/diPCS5C.jpg
04:08:24 <oklopol> they could have at least written loulu
04:08:46 <Sgeo> kmc: thanks for the nightmares
04:09:25 <Sgeo> http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1nhglw/test_alliance_is_disbanding/
04:14:58 <kmc> welp the US government is officially shut down
04:15:33 <Bike> happy mad max day! hand over your fucking water or i'll blow your head off
04:16:16 <kmc> Bike: well if you were in #ptopology you'd already know where I stashed the water
04:16:34 <kmc> <kmc> btw the deal in exchange for me telling y'all where I put the emergency water is, you have to promise not to murder me in an apocalyptic looting-type scenario <kmc> unless I've already turned into a zombie. in that case, go nuts, have fun with it
04:16:50 <Bike> does "fun" include experimentation
04:17:16 <kmc> zombi-curious
04:18:40 <Bike> i was thinking more like, vivisection, but i'm willing to spread out. like, mentally, in addition to spreading out your orifices.
04:18:56 <kmc> that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me
04:23:55 <^v> kmc is the worst person to ever live, i dont fucking care what you say but he has destroyed more peoples lives than hitler and god and godhitler combined
04:25:03 <Fiora> "godhitler" are we talking about persona 2 here?
04:29:04 <^v> we are talking about the pussy version of kmc
04:29:22 <^v> (sorry, is swearing allowed in this chan)
04:30:01 <Bike> no it fuckin ain't
04:30:05 <Bike> "pussy" is kind of a shitty insult though
04:30:19 <zzo38> ^v: I do not think there is a rule against it, but nevertheless I advise against swearing too often that that just convolutes stuff.
04:30:20 <shachaf> imo the whole "calling someone the worst person to ever live for no reason" thing is the bigger issue
04:30:30 <Bike> Fiora: i forget, was the hitler god or someone else
04:32:17 <Bike> uh wow i thought you were a persona authority? way to lie about your authority
04:32:17 <Fiora> I just know persona involves killing god and 2 has hitler somehow
04:32:22 <Fiora> I only know 3 and 4 >_<
04:32:28 <Bike> i should mention that hitler is also your dad
04:33:54 <kmc> Bike: http://web.archive.org/web/20110110081155/http://overcompensating.com/posts/20080603.html
04:35:04 <kmc> `pastequotes fuck
04:35:14 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17910
04:35:17 <Bike> i wish i was self cleaning
04:35:24 <kmc> aren't you
04:35:47 <kmc> `quote 242
04:35:49 <HackEgo> 242) <oklopol> okay see in my head it went, you send from your other number smth like "i'd certainly like to see you in those pink panties again" and she's like "WHAT?!? Sgeo took a pic?!?!?! that FUCKING PIG"
04:35:54 <kmc> pretty curious about the context of this one................
04:36:59 <Sgeo> There was a woman who seemed to like me but when I texted her had no idea who I was
04:37:10 <Sgeo> Even though I had given her my number before
04:37:19 <Sgeo> And had texted her before telling her who was texting her
04:37:32 <Sgeo> ...that sounds creepy
04:37:46 <kmc> did she have pink panties tho
04:38:05 <Sgeo> I have no idea.
04:38:22 <Sgeo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20342
04:38:56 <Sgeo> `pastelog pink panties
04:39:22 <Bike> https://www.healthcare.gov/ "just to rub it in"
04:39:36 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25271
04:41:08 <Sgeo> http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-02-28 why is this broken
04:41:54 <Bike> the formatted logs are broken. the text logs are ok. (GREGOR)
04:42:57 <Sgeo> http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2011-02-28.txt
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04:48:45 <Sgeo> These Realm of Racket videos are making my eyes bleed
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04:48:59 <Sgeo> "OOH LOOK RACKET HAS AUTOMATIC GARBAGE COLLECTION"
04:49:53 <Bike> manual garbage collection
04:53:47 <oerjan> so how much are the rating agencies gonna downrate the USA this time
04:54:27 <coppro> it's not in a debt default
04:54:38 <oerjan> was it the last time they did?
04:54:57 <coppro> the government is no longer allowed to spend money on many things
04:55:09 <coppro> it has a bunch of provisions in place for money that needs to be paid, like debts and essential services
04:55:30 <coppro> this is what happened in the 90s
04:55:52 <coppro> the thing that people were panicing about before and might happen again come October is the debt ceiling
04:56:11 <coppro> if that gets hit, the government can no longer borrow money, and at that point it actually runs out of money and can't even spend it on essential stuff
04:56:18 <Bike> on the bright side, my firefighting-for-profit business will really shine
04:56:21 <oerjan> oh i thought this _was_ the debt ceiling.
04:56:28 <coppro> oerjan: no, it's appropriations
04:56:39 <coppro> because currently the only way that the US government can work is by borrowing massive amounts of money very rapidly
04:56:56 <coppro> oerjan: basically the authorization to spend money
04:57:34 <Bike> http://www.usda.gov <-- alright i'm officially bugging out
04:57:37 <coppro> oerjan: the authorization to spend money is the giant carrot for the administration to do what congress wants
04:58:16 <Gracenotes> Bike: very funny... hm... yeah... hm...
04:59:04 <oerjan> right you and your non-parliamentarism
04:59:44 <coppro> and the Westminster system works exactly the same way
04:59:54 <kmc> the debt ceiling is about paying the interest on the loans for money we've /already borrowed/ isn't it
05:00:00 <coppro> except that if this were any Westminster system, the PM would have already been sent packing
05:00:21 <kmc> anyway we could still get downrated for having fucked politics
05:00:24 <kmc> that was part of the last downrating
05:00:39 <coppro> kmc: yeah, and this has shown that the Dems and Reps won't compromise even when it has big consequences
05:00:45 <coppro> I would not be totally surprised by a downgrade
05:00:59 <coppro> but it won't be "OH FUCK OH FUCK OH FUCK" quite yet
05:01:14 <Sgeo> coppro: so, how likely do you think we are to deal with climate change sanely?
05:01:17 <coppro> if the US hits the debt ceiling, it will be a while before it actually defaults since it can cut spending, etc.
05:01:51 <kmc> yes let's 'compromise' with the dangerous extremists who use hostage taking as their one and only political tool
05:02:14 <coppro> kmc: you're referring to the tea party, right?
05:02:37 <kmc> the whole "both parties are at fault for not getting along" is garbage
05:03:06 <kmc> Republicans don't mind wrecking the government to prove a political point
05:03:22 <kmc> they believe govt is the problem and they are determined to use their position of power to prove it
05:03:44 <kmc> they care more about hurting Obama and the Democrats even if they destroy the economy in the process
05:03:57 <kmc> these are not people you "compromise" with
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05:04:37 <kmc> ssize_t fizziev(int fd, const struct iovec *iov, int iovcnt);
05:05:02 <kmc> we are basically fucked as long as the members of the 10% approval congress are still inexplicably getting reelected
05:05:58 <oerjan> heh usa.gov is prominently still advertising the health marketplace plan :P
05:06:17 <kmc> https://www.healthcare.gov/
05:06:41 <coppro> kmc: like, seriously. Get everyone you know to get out there and get on the campaign warpath
05:07:21 <coppro> and don't just complain about shit on the internets
05:07:38 <coppro> if you don't care, start goddamn caring
05:07:39 <kmc> thx for the advice coppro
05:07:57 <coppro> because your country is running itself into the fucking ground and taking the rest of us with it
05:07:59 <oerjan> kmc: i'm just thinking that the government might be particularly pissing off the republicans by not shutting that down
05:08:30 <coppro> oerjan: The authors of obamacare did their work and made sure it was appropriated already
05:08:37 <coppro> they're allowed to spend money on it
05:10:51 <oerjan> right, but it's still waving a red flag
05:11:30 <oerjan> 'RE GONNA KEEP OBAMACARE GOING IF NOTHING ELSE IS
05:11:59 <Bike> mad max but everyone has good hospital coverage
05:12:54 <coppro> (I refuse to call you american right now because I share a continent with you egotistical maniacs)
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05:13:07 <coppro> Sgeo, kmc: this is your mess: http://www.oecd.org/media/oecdorg/satellitesites/newsroom/44222075health%20expenditure.jpg
05:13:13 <Bike> what's mexican healthcare even like
05:13:36 <oerjan> coppro: i'm whistling innocently because i've never got the full impression of the truthfulness of that wisdom.
05:13:59 <oerjan> also bike is definitely connecting from the usa
05:14:28 <oerjan> Bike: probably socialist
05:14:49 <coppro> anything HackEgo says is true
05:18:02 <oerjan> hm norway and luxembourg are the only ones with larger public expenditure, although much less private of course
05:19:59 <Sgeo> Back during Martha Coakley's campaign, I did make some calls for her campaign
05:20:04 <oerjan> they just "opened" trondheim's renovated hospital (it's been running all through the rebuilding process)
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05:26:02 <coppro> there are only 6 OECD countries that spend more on health care per capita than the US private sector does
05:27:58 <Sgeo> Why did the PLT team design such a .. bizarre OO system for Racket
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05:51:34 <Bike> kmc: http://billmoyers.com/2013/09/30/shutdown-imminent-how-he-said-she-said-reporting-helped-bring-us-to-the-brink/ nice article re: "both parties are at fault for not getting along", if you haven't seen it yet
05:52:39 <Bike> i guess it's still a nice article if you have seen it.
06:15:35 <zzo38> Have you programmed in SNOBOL?
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06:38:15 <zzo38> Is this OK so far? http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/hwpl.txt Tell me what kind of things may be added/removed/changed/idea/question/complain.
07:07:34 <zzo38> The "interleave" and "select" operators of INTERCAL are built-in to HWPL (although the "interleave" operator is called MORTON).
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07:12:02 <Taneb> I'm pretty happy today
07:12:11 <zzo38> Is there any reason?
07:12:31 <Taneb> Last night I found out that someone I met at uni has read my MSPAFA
07:13:03 <Taneb> MS Paint Adventures Fan Adventure
07:13:11 <Taneb> It's a story in the format of MSPA
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07:14:19 <Taneb> Also, someone's just followed me on Tumblr I think because I posted some Haskell
07:14:37 <shachaf> Taneb: do you follow me on twitter
07:16:13 <shachaf> was it because of haskell i posted
07:16:17 <myname> give that tumblrer some haskell
07:16:24 <myname> tumblerers love haskell
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07:18:11 <Taneb> shachaf, no it was because you linked it once
07:18:34 <shachaf> were all the tweets to your satisfaction
07:18:35 <olsner> has shachaf tweeted anything yet?
07:18:50 <shachaf> olsner: yes (but no more than last time)
07:19:02 <Taneb> I don't know I haven't been on twitter in ages
07:19:07 <olsner> but "@shachaf hasn't tweeted yet."
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07:20:16 <myname> twitter should die already
07:20:44 <shachaf> olsner: i tweeted and deleted
07:21:55 <myname> if you do this, do retweets get deleted, too?
07:22:46 <Taneb> shachaf, how does it feel to be living in an anarchy?
07:23:26 <zzo38> FOR ?A IN #16 BITS: CASE ?A: RESULT ?A[#15 TO #8]*?A[#7 TO #0]; It is a HWPL code to make a ROM of multiplication data. Is this OK like this, to you?
07:45:54 <shachaf> It's hard to believe that a certain individual has been in #haskell for over three years.
07:46:54 <olsner> are you the certain individual?
07:48:03 <shachaf> I have the individual on /ignore so I don't actually really know what they're saying.
07:48:09 <Taneb> Am /I/ the individual?
07:48:36 <shachaf> [is this the part where i pretend i didn't hear what Taneb said]
07:53:11 <Taneb> Actually, how long have I been in #haskell
07:55:51 <shachaf> Well, who knows how many nicks you had previously.
07:56:53 <Taneb> I think I was Taneb when I joined
07:58:16 <shachaf> The people in #haskell actually seem to think some good will come out of this.
07:59:16 <Taneb> I have a poor memory for people, what's the issue?
08:00:05 <shachaf> People are making lots of noise so I can't sleep.
08:00:51 <shachaf> But in #haskell it's just general hopelessness.
08:06:34 <Taneb> shachaf, you done much interesting lately?
08:07:09 <shachaf> the wold is emptiness and void and people WON'T BE QUIET
08:15:49 <Taneb> ...am I the only person who understood lenses without really trying?
08:16:15 <shachaf> Lenses are pretty straightforward.
08:16:47 <Taneb> I mean specifically the van whatshisname lenses
08:16:59 <shachaf> However, learning about lenses does require some capacity for learning.
08:16:59 <mnoqy> those are straightforward too
08:17:54 <Taneb> Actually, iirc when I first learnt lenses I was really confused and didn't know what was going on but that was with data-lens
08:19:09 <mnoqy> didn;t data-lens use an even straightforwarder representation though
08:19:32 <shachaf> data-lens used s -> Store a s or something
08:19:56 <Taneb> The store comonad coalgebra
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09:01:28 <zzo38> I know I must understand lenses because I almost invented it independently once.
09:07:21 <zzo38> (I didn't quite do a good job of it though.)
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13:12:16 <boily> good what-with-repetitive-animals-and-domain-names morning!
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14:47:42 <boily> telnet ssd.jpl.nasa.gov 6775
14:48:07 <boily> ↑ what is this thing I don't even holy fungot it's wonderful it has stuff and things and wooooooooah...
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15:06:02 <Vorpal> boily, nice, how did you find that?
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15:11:52 <boily> Vorpal: a comment under http://blog.xkcd.com/2013/09/30/asteroid-4942-munroe/
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16:24:55 <nortti> http://www.objectiveministries.org/zounds/review-minecraft.html wat
16:30:16 <elliott> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=objective+ministries
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16:34:33 <fizzie> Huh. I carried the about-to-be-retired webserver laptop (there's e.g. fungot on it) to the living room in preparation of starting to move things off of it, and now it no longer boots.
16:35:31 <Taneb> So fungot is TRAPPED IN A PORTABLE CAGE
16:35:35 <Tefaj> Perhaps you should have carried it in preparation of something less drastic.
16:35:39 <nortti> does it hang in boot process or is it just dead
16:36:33 <fizzie> nortti: It's just dead. I suspect its the made-in-China "Replacement AC Adapter", which (IIRC) had a LED on it that no longer lights up when I plug it in the wall.
16:41:34 <boily> fizzie: but, but... what are we gonna do without fungot?
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16:43:29 <fizzie> boily: It is a problem, to be sure. Most of the things on that box were on an external USB drive, which I can get at easily, but fungot lived in /home and therefore is on the 2.5" (IDE) HD. And I have no idea where my 2.5"-to-3.5" IDE adapter could be. (I think I had one.)
16:46:32 <boily> can you open the USB drive and splice in the IDE HD?
16:47:23 <fizzie> The USB drive is actually an USB enclosure and a standard 3.5" drive. The problem is that the 2.5" interface has a different connector.
16:47:44 <fizzie> Maybe I should go hunt for the adapter.
16:48:09 <fizzie> (Also one thing on the external HD is a Cyrus IMAP two-point-something-outdated database, which I was hoping to extract by reading it over IMAP, because that wouldn't involve installing a Cyrus somewhere.)
16:48:26 <boily> drives and their all unique adapters... we need a new standard to unify all drives together!
16:49:36 <boily> (lemmings are cute critters)
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17:07:03 <fizzie> The adapter was: the absolute bottommost thing in the last place I had left to look at.
17:08:29 <fizzie> I kept finding all sorts of tangentially related things (two other 2.5" HDs, a 3.5" floppy drive along with Slackware 8.1 RC1 installation floppies, a Fast-SCSI terminator, an absolutely ridiculous pile of IDE and floppy ribbon cables) but not it.
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17:31:46 <kmc> "Although much of the federal workforce will go without pay, checks will keep coming to the 533 current members of Congress. Why? The 27th Amendment prevents any Congress from changing its own pay."
17:40:17 <fizzie> Well, of course: the 2.5" HD does not work in the USB enclosure with the adapter.
17:40:24 <fizzie> (Doesn't spin up or anything.)
17:41:02 <nortti> fizzie: do you have any backups?
17:42:37 <fizzie> Irregular ones, of this system. It's been sort of a project to get rid of it.
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17:43:02 <fizzie> Anyway, I got it at least spin up; turns out I had an off-by-one error in the 2.5" IDE connector.
17:43:12 <fizzie> (It doesn't have the pin-20 "key" it's supposed to have.)
17:43:59 <boily> fungot is still salvageable!
17:45:06 <fizzie> I am reading data off of it at the moment.
17:45:17 <fizzie> (Then I need to actually do something with it.)
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17:56:10 <fizzie> ./cfunge: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by ./cfunge)
18:02:00 <fizzie> Well, yes, it's cfunge.
18:02:12 <fizzie> Everyone (potentially) has the code.
18:02:30 <fizzie> (I guess there's the chroot patch, but I do have that too.)
18:03:20 <boily> lettuce prey for fungot's survival!
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18:07:13 <elliott> fizzie: perfect time to switch to CCBI2!
18:08:41 <boily> github is once again unicorning...
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18:10:57 <HackEgo> olist (922): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
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18:11:36 <fungot> kmc: it means that those shifts will intrinsically be slower than readjust my brain for such rubbish, of course, i don't
18:12:07 <shachaf> fungot: who are you calling rubbish
18:12:07 <fungot> shachaf: i'm working on that
18:12:16 <fizzie> fungot: How do you feel on your new host?
18:12:17 <fungot> fizzie: it's not about how he use his own scheme implementation leveraging the work of a tortured mind making a single last grasp for a semblance of comforting sanity overlaid upon a fundamentally chaotic at ultimately inimical universe.
18:12:27 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
18:13:28 <impomatic> "I am the Blue Screen of Death. No one hears your screams."
18:15:14 <fungot> boily: riastradh i'll give it back, and if
18:16:52 <impomatic> Hmmm... the codu logs are still broken :-(
18:17:34 <boily> Gregor: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGS! :)
18:19:37 <boily> fungot: can I use ~duck, or am I still banned from it?
18:19:52 <boily> you fiendish sleazy bot.
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18:29:15 <Tefaj> Blue scream of death
18:38:44 <impomatic> "I am the Blue Screen of Death. No one hears your screams." is an error message from BeOS.
18:39:18 <nortti> impomatic: you're running BeOS? what version?
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18:41:09 <impomatic> Nortti: not any more. I'll get it up and running again as soon as I find a copy.
18:41:39 <impomatic> I missed an eBay auction recently. It went for 99p
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18:43:16 <nortti> hmm, I should really set up a dedicated BeOS machine
18:43:30 <nortti> because the thing will simply not boot in emulator
18:43:56 <boily> does the original BeOS boot in virtualbox?
18:45:04 <nortti> yea but it requires more RAM than most of my testbeds have
18:45:15 <boily> impomatic: I just finished downloading alpha 4.
18:45:15 <nortti> maybe I should start upgrading my styff
18:47:01 * impomatic has pre-ordered a Parallella. 16 core board.
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18:56:25 <kmc> http://www.parallella.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/first_parallella_cluster2.jpg I like the "just stick some fans nearby" approach to cooling
18:58:24 <boily> impomatic: use genetic algorithms to evolve the ultimate brainfuck derivative?
18:58:55 <kmc> 1.73 megabrickbrains / second
19:00:44 <impomatic> I'm tempted by the cluster. But I still wouldn't know what to do with it :-)
19:01:11 <FireFly> You could develop and run pargot, a parallel cousin of fungot
19:01:11 <fungot> FireFly: the module system
19:01:30 <FireFly> ...is there such a thing as a parallel -funge?
19:01:47 <boily> fungot: do you get perpendicular?
19:01:48 <fungot> boily: i couldn't evaluate your expression in the second line
19:01:50 <impomatic> I'd probably just use it for entering contests that need a bit of brute force. E.g. Al Zimmermann's programming contests.
19:01:57 <boily> fungot: there are no second line!
19:01:57 <fungot> boily: if i send this patch? ( 1/ 3 1/ 3)) ( 3 4)
19:01:59 <shachaf> fungot: what are you all about
19:01:59 <fungot> shachaf: ( use srfi-1) is fnord formal semantics?)
19:02:11 <shachaf> fungot: learn to parentheses hth
19:02:11 <fungot> shachaf: or two instances of any scheme. :) hehe, doesn't seem like that to assemble... i'm still just barely coming to grips with the task of preparing a meal that acquires a taste beyond the sum of the rest
19:02:38 <shachaf> preparing a meal that acquires a taste beyond the sum of the rest
19:02:38 <fungot> FireFly: i like the algorithm and have it out with different variations were.
19:03:17 <fungot> shachaf: i guess you don't get into specific trouble you'll run into performance issues with sisc, they work on states, using compact bit arrays and copying them will always keep us in second place next to obl
19:06:00 <boily> so compact bit arrays are the key to cooking a Beyond the Sum Meal.
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19:10:36 <FireFly> Sum Meals.. are they related to monad burritos?
19:11:24 <kmc> is a monad burrito like a burrito burrito?
19:11:50 <boily> burrito burrito buffalo buffalo buffalo.
19:11:52 * impomatic is searching for files which seem to have disappeared from the net :-(
19:12:31 <shachaf> kmc: did you know that monads are just free monad monad monad algebras
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19:33:46 <impomatic> Hmmm... http://dronegames.co - receive a (free?) Parrot AR Drone to hack. Suggested hacks - "Detect a face and follow that person"
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19:48:31 <olsner> nice, sending a packet with an unexpected IP crashes qemu with an assertion failure
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20:17:31 <boily> olsner: what qualifies as an unexpected IP?
20:19:03 <boily> I am indeed surprised.
20:19:56 <boily> Addendum [SCP-294ad]: Researcher produced request consisting solely of the phrase "surprise me". Device produced a opaque cup containing normal water, later determined to have been heated to approximately 200 degrees Celsius. Upon receiving vibration from transport, the contents of the cup turned into steam, violently spraying boiling water in a 2-meter radius.
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20:44:51 <kmc> use super::super::longhands;
20:48:01 <olsner> fungot: is it better to use simple gotos for clearer logic or complicate while type structures?
20:48:01 <fungot> olsner: fnord sent me their cd suite with all their laziness) but couldn't get what i mean
20:52:23 <boily> olsner: cleaner logic prevails.
20:52:36 <boily> (althought a nice monad is best, imho.)
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21:04:21 <shachaf> kmc: what's a good naming scheme for lenses onto one or more values, zero or one values, zero or more values
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21:41:46 <shachaf> "unbounded adversary" is the name of kmc's new band
21:43:39 <kmc> need to book flights to korea
21:44:24 <shachaf> which passenger equivalence class will you be in
21:44:55 <kmc> the worst one :'(
21:48:41 <HackEgo> olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
21:49:04 <shachaf> Should we add you to the `olist so you get notified?
21:49:14 <oerjan> ais523: i think it was already done, also we customarily include the number these days.
21:49:33 <zzo38> Yes you should include the number
21:49:33 <ais523> shachaf: no, because I typically check OOTS before I check #esoteric
21:49:49 <shachaf> But what if you're in #esoteric and it beeps your name?
21:49:53 <shachaf> Then you'd know straight away.
21:49:55 <fizzie> Perhaps those list scripts should check the number and only ping the nicks if the number is greater than the previous number?
21:50:18 <ais523> shachaf: yeah but statistically, considering the proportion of the time I'm online, if anyone else olists I've probably already seen it
21:50:32 <ais523> fizzie: and the nicks in question were online at the time?
21:50:39 <zzo38> fizzie: No I don't think that will be necessary, and it might not work correctly anyways due to various reasons.
21:50:50 <fizzie> (What's one extra filesystem commit for every Xlist between friends?)
21:51:50 <shachaf> being on the same list doesn't mean that you're friends
21:52:00 <ais523> fizzie: just make it only ping people who are online at the time, and check logs to see who it's already pinged
21:54:43 <zzo38> I do not think that is necessary; it complicates things that don't need to be.
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21:57:51 <Bike> https://twitter.com/neilfws/status/385161327422885888/photo/1 forgot this site was us gov't >_>
22:08:28 <oerjan> i agree with zzo38. unless you want to implement it properly. and on this channel "online" doesn't mean "actually present and will see this before pinging out".
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22:14:25 <oerjan> apparently | will show up as | in tables under some conditions, which the Pointy article works with
22:17:07 <oerjan> olsner: i was checking of those were actually the same character
22:17:41 <olsner> oerjan: looks like they were, hthth
22:22:49 * oerjan suddenly wonders if he can say eighth
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22:31:56 <oerjan> Tefaj: gnineve derorrim doog
22:33:30 <oerjan> did i misspell it or did someone delete it :(
22:33:45 <Bike> `run echo programming | tac | ?
22:33:55 <Bike> `run echo programming | tac - | ?
22:34:05 <Bike> `run echo programming | tac
22:34:39 <Bike> `run echo programming | reev
22:34:41 <HackEgo> bash: reev: command not found
22:34:41 <Bike> `run echo programming | rev
22:34:44 <oerjan> and also to understand the difference between stdio and argv
22:34:51 <Bike> yes i got that much
22:35:00 <Bike> lousy unix philosophy grumble grumble
22:35:27 <Bike> programmirg. sensible.
22:35:31 <HackEgo> Þór, Grimmargorpurinn hefur sloppið! Ragnarök eru nálæg!
22:35:54 <oerjan> wtf did it get entered like that. maybe someone actually misspelled it first.
22:36:14 <oerjan> (i know i entered it. minus some later correction.)
22:36:18 <Bike> that's presumably a joke based on gnimmargorp looking like old germanic, rather than a replacement
22:36:19 <FireFly> `run echo programming | rev | xargs ?
22:37:39 <oerjan> also the spelling is icelandic, not genuine old norse.
22:37:45 <FireFly> Grimmargorpurinn sounds like an Icelandic volcano
22:38:06 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10185
22:39:01 <oerjan> (e.g. old norse didn't use ö but ǫ)
22:39:04 <olsner> <olsner> I'm going to forget all about grimmargorpurinn all too soon <-- prophetic words
22:39:46 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20742
22:40:20 <oerjan> i suspect i may have introduced the error.
22:40:49 <oerjan> `pastelogs g.immargorp
22:41:22 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14333
22:42:45 <oerjan> yep, only one thing to do
22:43:24 <oerjan> `run sed 's/rimmar/nimmar/' wisdom/grimmargorp >wisdom/gnimmargorp
22:43:38 <HackEgo> Þór, Gnimmargorpurinn hefur sloppið! Ragnarök eru nálæg!
22:44:51 <olsner> gnimmargorp doesn't sound as good :(
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22:45:22 <oerjan> olsner: thus why i didn't delete the old one
22:46:25 <olsner> maybe gnimmargorp ought just be "common misspelling of the Grimmargorp"
22:48:20 <oerjan> did you know that google translate doesn't know how to translate "misspelling" into icelandic.
22:51:26 <olsner> I did not! that's a fun fact
22:59:53 <fizzie> Ogrimmar is some kind of a WoW thing.
23:01:39 <oerjan> `run echo '"Gnimmargorp" er algeng stafsetningarvilla af "grimmargorp"' >wisdom/gnimmargorp
23:01:51 <oerjan> `run echo '"Gnimmargorp" er algeng stafsetningarvilla af "grimmargorp".' >wisdom/gnimmargorp
23:02:36 <olsner> stafsetningarvilla? why does the mis end up on the other side of spelling?
23:03:37 <oerjan> also i'm not sure about the preposition "af".
23:04:10 <oerjan> i found an instance of that use, but norwegian would use "for" in a similar position.
23:05:22 <olsner> swedish would also use "av" I think
23:06:28 <myname> how the hell does rustc decide what match blocks are non-exhaustive and what not?
23:06:44 <oerjan> anyway, there are few hits in either case but more for "af" than for "fyrir", although maybe i've misunderstood what icelandic uses for "for".
23:08:35 <olsner> hmm, "felstavning av" ... feels like stavfel doesn't take an object, it's more like "a spelling mistake" perhaps
23:09:17 <oerjan> yes, in that case norwegian would also use "av"
23:20:59 <oerjan> i want to create wisdom/nutirrof but it's too meta even for me.
23:21:45 <oerjan> i suggest meta-lateral thinking to understand that
23:22:29 <elliott> oerjan: can we have a new featured language.
23:22:46 <oerjan> i'm sure that's entirely possible.
23:23:00 <olsner> meta-lateral sounds like complicated thinking... I'm not even good at normal lateral thinking
23:23:33 <oerjan> olsner: it's related to grimmargorp.
23:23:40 <oerjan> hm maybe it should be rutirrof.
23:23:42 <ais523> elliott: if you pick one I'll write a blurb for it
23:24:50 <elliott> ais523: how about brainfuck? might as well get it out the way with
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23:26:07 <ais523> how does an april fool's joke last until October anyway?
23:26:53 <oerjan> hey it's just half a year
23:27:25 <ais523> hmm, I'm going to have to word this so that the b isn't at the start of a sentence
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23:28:47 <fungot> oerjan: if you come across as a fascist would do that
23:29:01 <oerjan> fascists were big on hugs?
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23:33:16 <ais523> elliott: there, I've updated the main page blurb
23:34:08 <shachaf> fungot: i like hugs, am i a fascist
23:34:08 <fungot> shachaf: i'm installing 1.5 now
23:34:19 <shachaf> uh oh, fungot 1.5. that sounds bad.
23:34:19 <fungot> shachaf: thanks for the help!
23:34:39 <shachaf> fungot: i ain't helping you
23:34:40 <fungot> shachaf: that is, a socket may be simultaneously used in multiple places. that kind of coin... well, i just wrote
23:35:24 <elliott> ais523: nice capitalisation trick :)
23:35:47 <ais523> elliott: yeah, I had to contort a bit to pull that off, but we can't have controversial capitalization on the main page
23:37:56 <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: no, it doesn't not even have type classes (nor typeclasses)
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23:51:54 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: hugs descends from the first haskell implementation to have constructor type classes (i.e. not just kind * types)
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