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00:31:43 <kmc> oerjan, regarding that see the first graf of http://www.mit.edu/~mitsfs/related-groups.html
00:32:37 <kmc> "So, if you're from somewhere else and were looking for all the weirdos, here are the places you might have thought would all be the same as each other and us"
00:32:46 <kmc> that's a beautiful sentence
00:32:57 <Bike> i don't understand @_@
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00:34:01 <elliott> "Welcome to the website of the MIT Anime Club. We are a non-profit MIT student organization dedicated to increasing the awareness of anime, or Japanese animation, in the MIT community."
00:34:11 <elliott> "have you accepted anime into your life as your saviour yet?"
00:35:22 <kmc> \rainbow{awareness}
00:35:22 <oerjan> Bike: see, no furries at all!
00:35:40 <Bike> larping and anime are totally distinct oerjan
00:36:05 <kmc> pls join my pagan sci-fi anime larp
00:36:14 <kmc> slash linux user group
00:37:00 <oerjan> i sense that trondheim's gamers club may have been unusually light on the paganism.
00:37:18 <kmc> shame, isn't scandinavia one of the best places for paganism
00:37:33 <oerjan> well there's good access to nature
00:37:39 <kmc> good access to vikings
00:38:22 <kmc> "I spent the winter on the verge of a total breakdown while living in Norway / I felt the darkness of the black metal bands"
00:38:39 <kmc> "But being such fawn of a man I didn't burn down any old churches / Just slept way too much"
00:40:42 <oerjan> the winter does tend to do that to weak people
00:46:15 <elliott> "If you're high school students looking to start a club, you may find this Parents' guide to anime helpful when arguing that there are anime which can be shown on campus without inundating the school administration with calls from irate parents ranting about the school showing violent animated Japanese pornography."
00:46:41 <kmc> talk to your parents about anime before someone else does
00:47:30 <oerjan> darn i want to `addquote that but it doesn't work without all of elliott's quote included
00:48:06 <Fiora> talk to your children about anime.
00:48:06 * pikhq_ wonders at notions of anime = porn
00:48:10 <Bike> "In an interesting work-around, Levison complied the next day by turning over the private SSL keys as an 11 page printout in 4-point type"
00:51:38 <Bike> and you can see a copy of the printout, awesome
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02:29:31 <Sgeo_> .plt files are encoded with base64 after being gzipped
02:30:19 <oerjan> so you can email them duh
02:34:59 <Koen_> I WAS BORN TO GET WILD
02:37:45 <shachaf> base64 them first and then gzip
02:39:39 <Sgeo_> The file format specifies that the file contains some procedures to run (to provide various data)
02:39:49 <Sgeo_> I have no idea if those procedures are run in a sandbox or not
02:40:30 <HackEgo> slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
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03:09:17 <Bike> i'm glad they put in that warning that this will fuck my computer.
03:13:48 <Bike> i don't have webgl
03:13:51 <Sgeo_> "But the real treat is hidden a little deeper. If you type "bambi"—the original game's original code-name—on the start screen, it'll shoot you back into retro 1995 mode which replicates the original game, complete with fake desktop, and fake social media applications with fake installers. It's actually pretty rad."
03:16:28 <Sgeo_> I don't think multiplayer lets you choose who to play with :(
03:16:31 <kmc> does it have the weezer video too
03:16:49 <kmc> no just a still of it :/
03:17:57 <Sgeo_> This? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kemivUKb4f4
03:26:34 <Bike> tk is counterculture
03:27:37 <Sgeo_> Is lexical scoping culture?
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05:23:47 <shachaf> ski: People in ##typetheory were asking questions about linear logic that I bet you'd know the answers to.
05:27:37 <adu> hi esoteric ppl
05:30:50 <kmc> `welcome adu
05:30:53 <HackEgo> adu: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
05:31:13 <adu> hi HackEgo
05:31:19 <kmc> greets to a fellow three character nick person
05:31:33 <adu> I'm more than that
05:31:39 <adu> I'm a bio person
05:31:45 <kmc> are you a bicycle?
05:31:53 <adu> as opposed to an auto-electro-person
05:32:15 <adu> I <3 people
05:33:12 <adu> my favorite language is Funge-98
05:33:29 <adu> if that means anything, then you know I'm not a bot
05:33:36 <adu> shachaf: AMEN
05:33:56 <fungot> http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
05:42:44 <Sgeo_> Where did I see the name adu before?
05:43:07 <Sgeo_> And I _just_ checked too
05:44:46 <adu> especially here
05:46:02 <HackEgo> 2009-12-05.txt:15:50:51: <adu> after, meaning smaller?
05:46:19 <oerjan> HackEgo: stop silently timing out thx
05:46:45 <oerjan> i did think you looked familiar
05:48:08 <adu> hi oerjan HackEgo
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06:35:39 <fizzie> fungot: What's your favourite language?
06:35:39 <fungot> fizzie: well i need to make
06:36:16 <fizzie> fungot: Okay, well, remember to write a wiki entry about it when it's done.
06:36:17 <fungot> fizzie: there are no pencils within reach that you might want to add variables and the like? it seems that thing is
06:36:37 <fungot> shachaf: anything interesting happened here the last weeks? i'm insulted! :p) then performed operations on it,
06:38:43 <fungot> shachaf: okay. parachute with the fluffy parachutey bits right? what does that tell you about it shortly after first coming in here, otherwise.
06:39:22 <FireFly> Whu, are parachutes fluffy?
06:39:30 <FireFly> fungot: I think you're drunk
06:39:30 <fungot> FireFly: i used it a bit, too.
06:41:16 <shachaf> if you have a lot of drugz and then you finish all the good ones do you only have the dregz left??
06:41:51 <fungot> shachaf: error in cdar: expected type number, got ' output-port'. try again.
06:41:56 <ski> shachaf : mhm ..
06:43:01 <kmc> what did fungot say?
06:43:01 <fungot> kmc: my implementation isn't supposed to sound rude.
06:43:25 <shachaf> 23:39 <FireFly> fungot: I think you're drunk
06:43:25 <shachaf> 23:39 <fungot> FireFly: i used it a bit, too.
06:43:25 <fungot> shachaf: s/ indenting/ fnord/ 205/ collects") and " fnord",
06:43:25 <fungot> shachaf: eew. you don't say. is it documented??
06:43:41 <kmc> `addquote <kmc> what did fungot say? <fungot> kmc: my implementation isn't supposed to sound rude.
06:43:41 <fungot> kmc: some esolang? :) what implementation do you prefer
06:43:48 <HackEgo> 1114) <kmc> what did fungot say? <fungot> kmc: my implementation isn't supposed to sound rude.
06:43:50 <kmc> shachaf: I think in context it would have to be alcohol
06:44:10 <shachaf> it sounds like "it" is another kind of drugz
06:44:16 <kmc> maybe implying that FireFly was also drunk
06:45:03 <shachaf> when you said a sentence with "FireFly" in it i expected an immediate response
06:45:44 <fungot> shachaf: is wright's softscheme available somewhere? :) imagine if the imagination of the syntax for them sane? i don't udnerstand why it's called that, yes
06:47:00 <fungot> FireFly: coded that already
06:47:58 <shachaf> fungot: have you coded funggo38
06:47:58 <fungot> shachaf: i'm just not getting this. something happening somewhere?
06:48:28 <kmc> zhongguo38
06:49:26 <fungot> shachaf: you need to solve the assignment without too much problem, while someone else could help in the absence of software patents in europe as well and is the closing bracket
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06:52:51 <olsner> fungot: who's the closing bracket?
06:52:52 <fungot> olsner: i'm running into an apparent conflict between ajax.request and magic's handling of json. it
07:00:19 <fizzie> fungot: I think the Xen you're in nowadays is affecting your "brain".
07:00:19 <fungot> fizzie: and if there is any somewhat popular os without those. but for further refinement, i'm crippled if i can't find
07:05:11 <kmc> you virtualized fungot?
07:05:11 <fungot> kmc: it looks perfectly human and everything. obviously it had something to do
07:06:33 <kmc> BBC: Exercise 'can be as good as pills'
07:06:39 <kmc> oh, they mean for your health
07:15:01 <fizzie> It was already on a Linux-VServer fakey-server (because it ran on a laptop with a non-PAE Pentium M and Xen dropped support for that in 2008 or so), I just rejiggled some hardware to make that a Xen guest instead.
07:17:12 <fizzie> (Also Debian dropped Linux-VServer starting from wheezy, and I had bad experiences with OpenVZ when I tried it out earlier.)
07:17:53 <kmc> bochs or gtfo
07:17:59 <fizzie> (Apparently OpenVZ is also gone, since LXC is the new hotness when it comes to "containers-style" stuff.)
07:18:03 <kmc> no wait, dosbox
07:19:28 <olsner> (if you want containers you should probably use one of the solaris-derivatives and zones)
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07:20:14 <fizzie> fungot: Would you like to run in, say, ZBefunge in Frotz on DOSBox? (You'd have to port yourself to Befunge-93 first, mind you.)
07:20:14 <fungot> fizzie: ye gads my connection is extremely slow....) fnord, offset fnord ( with no evidence) that the existing oss suck :)
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07:21:36 -!- kmc has set topic: fnord, offset fnord (with no evidence) | PDF while supplies last: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | this space intentionally left right.
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08:50:40 <fungot> (http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98)S
08:50:46 <fizzie> ^def source ul (https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98)S
08:50:57 <fizzie> (I don't see why I should have to host that sort of things myself.)
09:02:33 <fizzie> (TIL: fungot is 58.2% Perl, 13.6% Python and 28.2% F#.)
09:02:33 <fungot> fizzie: but just entering one would be: fnord .ijke:2,s
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13:03:53 <boily> good strange-things-happen-with-the-topic morning!
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14:34:46 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
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16:11:23 <JWinslow23> So, I'm stuck on ideas for esolangs. Can you help?
16:11:39 <JWinslow23> I'm the creator of Drive-In Window, Pancake Stack, and Ecstatic.
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16:13:01 <Taneb> The mystery of the midnight Moon hasn't been solved yet
16:13:41 <Taneb> It means I saw a Sailor Moon cosplayer at half past midnight last night
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16:24:02 <JWinslow23> OK, I gotta go. Only got an hour and a half for lunch.
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17:35:20 <boily> `relcome Uguubee111116
17:35:26 <HackEgo> Uguubee111116: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
17:35:53 <boily> Taneb: were you at a convention?
17:38:11 <Taneb> I was entering my accommodation complex
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18:13:50 <impomatic> I'm going to this in a couple of weeks http://www.nationalcraftanddesign.org.uk/exhibitions/Next%20Main%20Gallery%20Exhibition
18:14:01 <impomatic> "Revolution in the Bedroom, War in the Playground: Video Gaming 1979-1989"
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18:19:42 <boily> retrogaming is the way of the future!
18:21:19 <fizzie> fungot: Have you ever been a "revolution in the bedroom", if you know what I mean?
18:21:20 <fungot> fizzie: i'm _also_ saying that you can't make an impact on static reasoning that we do not need to be
18:22:13 <boily> I'll have to try static reasoning next time I'm with my SO.
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20:54:09 <fizzie> Is there a (probably non-D) VCS with a command line tool called "cthdrl" already?
20:55:22 <fizzie> There does not seem to be. A shame.
21:03:09 <boily> is that related to LoL?
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21:06:53 <JWinslow23> ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.
21:08:19 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
21:08:28 <EgoBot> help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
21:08:33 <Bike> !bf_txtgen Hello
21:08:38 <EgoBot> 61 ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+><<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>. [362]
21:08:50 <Bike> you beat egobot, good job
21:09:29 <myname> EgoBot seems to print something else
21:09:46 <myname> you would have at least 4 chars less without that
21:09:52 <Bike> ^bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+><<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>.
21:10:07 <Bike> ^bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.
21:10:37 <Bike> because periods suck
21:10:39 <myname> the offest thing is >< of egobot
21:11:01 <Bike> bf_txtgen is very heuristic i guess
21:11:21 <JWinslow23> I made a language called Ecstatic. The program to echo input to output is "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".
21:11:22 <myname> it could at least filter obvious nops
21:12:05 <JWinslow23> It converts BF commands to a string of !s. That BF program was ",."
21:12:30 <JWinslow23> It also has an esolangs.org wiki page.
21:14:55 <JWinslow23> Yeah. It takes 4,611,686,021,782,831,112 exclamation points to print "Hello". I wonder what a Hello World program would be?
21:15:37 <myname> shouldn't be that hard to find out, just takes a while to calculate
21:18:14 <JWinslow23> I have yet to find out what binary to decimal converter to use. It has to handle at least 334 binary digits!
21:18:21 <Fiora> so the program is like, unary-coded?
21:18:37 <JWinslow23> Yeah, but instead of "0", "!" is used.
21:18:48 <Fiora> like binary program -> number X -> X !s
21:18:53 <myname> JWinslow23: shouldn't matter
21:18:55 <kmc> you should use ! and ¡
21:18:57 <Fiora> gosh, that's some nice exponential code size inflation :P
21:19:01 <Fiora> at least it probably compresses pretty well.
21:19:17 <myname> there are languages which have arbitrary large integers
21:19:34 <myname> kmc: that'd be much shorter, indeed
21:19:36 <JWinslow23> If only there was a possible way to represent these programs in an actual form.
21:20:09 <Bike> perhaps you could "compress" the exclamation points, representing the number of exclamation points in some more compact fashion
21:20:14 <myname> JWinslow23: did you write an interpreter?
21:20:47 <myname> Bike: what would need at least a second character
21:20:56 <JWinslow23> No. I have only ever programmed in esolangs (and a bit of Batch), and I have no idea how in an esolang (or Batch).
21:21:07 <Fiora> for(uint64_t i = 0; i < 4611686021782831112ULL; i++) putc('!
21:21:09 <kmc> myname: GHC's Integer actually has a max of 2^(64*2^64) or so, what bullshit
21:21:35 <Bike> is that part of GMP
21:21:35 <myname> Fiora: that's a lot of chars
21:21:47 <kmc> not sure Bike
21:21:57 <kmc> gibraltar mounted police
21:22:04 <Fiora> the program is like, really really exclaiming itself. or something. I don't know
21:22:08 <elliott> Fiora: there's something beautiful about writing a program like that, with the stop condition, as if you expect to actually run it to termination
21:22:25 <elliott> kmc: have you seen http://www.jwz.org/blog/2008/03/most-positive-bignum/?
21:23:04 <JWinslow23> kmc: About using ! and ¡, that is a good idea! that way we won't have the leading 1 and we don't have to convert to decimal!
21:24:26 <JWinslow23> Anyone seen my language, Pancake Stack? Or Drive-in Window?
21:24:33 <kmc> wow 7 tag bits on a 32-bit word o_O
21:25:02 <JWinslow23> I had the idea for Drive-in Window last year, thanks for asking.
21:25:02 <kmc> "But it's a zero that consumes 524 KB, and is not = to 0. " haha
21:25:47 * kmc pours one out for the LISP Machines
21:25:51 <Fiora> elliott: for(int n = 2;;n++){int m = n;while(m != 1) {m = (m%2)?m/2:m*3+1;if(m == n) return 0;}} // how about something like this? XD well okay I guess it'll eventually overflow
21:26:56 <elliott> Fiora: technically it's not actually possible to get an unbounded amount of storage with something that strictly conforms to the C specification, without cheating by using filesystem APIs and stuff ;_;
21:27:37 <Koen_> you may not be aware of it but you're speaking in a REPL!
21:28:05 <elliott> Fiora: because sizeof measures the size of types, including pointers, in bytes, and CHAR_BIT has to be a finite integer, so every type has a finite size, so memory has to be finite (because you can get pointers to it). so you actually can't write a perfect Collatz program or whatever
21:28:20 <Fiora> elliott: couldn't you, like, represent a number as a tree?
21:28:28 <Fiora> and like, it could go as deep as you wanted
21:28:36 <JWinslow23> Does REPL stand for Real Esoteric Programming Language?
21:28:42 <elliott> actually, I think you can't take pointers to register variables or something? and the call stack isn't necessarily finite, but you can only access that in a stack discipline, so it still isn't enough for arbitrary storage
21:28:43 <Fiora> oh I guess you'd run out of pointer space or something ^^;
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21:28:52 <Koen_> I guess it could stand for that
21:28:56 <Fiora> right gosh I remember that conversation now
21:28:58 <Fiora> that was really silly
21:29:02 <elliott> Fiora: yeah... the problem is you have to use pointers, and the standard requires them to be finite
21:29:08 <Bike> Fiora: http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/programs.html TCALC is cool.
21:29:31 <Bike> not infinite though.
21:29:46 <elliott> it's just funny that like, an obscure corner kinda thing like sizeof interacts with requiring you to define a constant elsewhere and ends up magically requiring you to have finite storage
21:29:50 <Bike> knuth's literate programming thing
21:30:01 <JWinslow23> I researched. It's read-evaluate-print-loop.
21:30:04 <elliott> Fiora: .w is C code with a lot of TeX around it
21:30:07 <Bike> linuxes sometimes have weave and tangle
21:30:17 <Bike> er, cweave and ctangle.
21:30:39 <elliott> the @<...@> stuff includes the code defined elsewhere with @<...@>=
21:31:03 <JWinslow23> I am working an an esolang called BASE-TWO
21:31:13 <Koen_> pleasedon'tbeabrainfuckderivative
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21:31:29 <Koen_> or you could be oerjan
21:31:39 <olsner> Koen_: brainfuck is base 8, so there is hope
21:32:08 <boily> Koen_: can an esolang be oerjan?
21:32:18 <olsner> elliott: how about using files? IIRC files could be infinite
21:32:42 <kmc> UReal Esoteric Programming Language: Sheer Disaster Download
21:32:48 <olsner> (also how about this being the three thousandth time this being brought up here)
21:32:59 <elliott> olsner: yeah, but then you're relying on the system more than C
21:33:05 <Bike> hm, maybe there really should be a Sheer Disaster to go with Shear Disaster
21:33:34 <Koen_> are talking about C's computability class?
21:33:50 <Bike> whether it can have arbitrarily sized bignums, at least
21:33:58 <olsner> elliott: isn't stdio in the C library and defined in the C standard?
21:34:26 <Bike> http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2013/10/important-customer-security-announcement.html "So, Adobe got owned"
21:34:46 <elliott> I guess standard C might have enough filesystem API to let you do it?
21:34:51 <oerjan> Bike: um you realize "Shear Disaster" is probably a pun on the former, right?
21:34:53 <olsner> Koen_: didn't read the scrollback but it sort of looked like it
21:35:02 <elliott> and ftell() has to be able to fail
21:35:02 <ion> bike: Oh no, not the source code!
21:35:12 <Bike> oerjan: i realize nothing.
21:35:24 <olsner> I think we decided that ftell was allowed to fail
21:35:35 <olsner> *that the standard said that
21:35:59 <olsner> but actually it was a while since I was having this discussion last time
21:36:29 <oerjan> Bike: i think i have realized that. would you like another kick?
21:36:45 <Koen_> JWinslow23: don't leave us hanging there
21:36:58 <oerjan> Bike: always with the negativity.
21:37:18 <olsner> "Yes! I would indeed not like that!"
21:37:19 <Koen_> at the cliffhanger. you were talking about BASE-TWO
21:37:29 <JWinslow23> Oh, yeah. It will be a turning tarpit.
21:37:46 <JWinslow23> The wheel of commands will be +-><[],.
21:37:47 <Koen_> and the sole instructions are 0 and 1?
21:38:01 <Bike> JWinslow23: look at category:brainfuck derivatives or whatever
21:38:03 <Bike> then never do this again.
21:38:16 <JWinslow23> 1 Rotates the wheel in the current direction (initialized to right).
21:38:33 <JWinslow23> 0 Executes the command and reverses direction.
21:38:34 <Koen_> JWinslow23: if you give me five minutes I could probably link two wiki pages describing that exact language
21:38:43 <Koen_> except maybe with other symbols for 0 and 1
21:38:45 <kmc> brainfuck derivatives are boring
21:38:54 <Koen_> ohhhhhhhhh without the reversing direction though
21:39:10 <JWinslow23> I know, kmc, but I gave away my best two ideas!
21:39:52 <Koen_> JWinslow23: if you make a brainfuck derivative you'll have to live with what you did for the rest of your life
21:39:57 <Koen_> trust me you don't want that!
21:40:36 <oerjan> rotating wheel? so a brainfuck derivative turning tarpit?
21:41:00 <olsner> I do like the words "turning tarpit"
21:41:09 <oerjan> JWinslow23: i expect that still exists already.
21:41:28 <oerjan> in fact i'm pretty sure i've seen it, but my memory is still vague.
21:41:50 <Koen_> try something with ' ' for spinning and ! for executing
21:42:29 <myname> what about a language being a total asshole in the way that it uses the exact same commands as brainfuck but changes the chars for them
21:42:43 <myname> i.e. <> for [], + and - swapped
21:42:44 <oerjan> has anyone made a meta-brainfuck derivative that has parameters for simulating 90% of the others yet
21:43:15 <myname> that'd be pretty hard to write, though
21:43:26 <elliott> oerjan: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainbrain ?
21:43:36 <Koen_> also elliott was faster than me
21:43:50 <Koen_> oh no wait this one is a joke
21:43:53 <Koen_> there's an actual one
21:44:52 <olsner> hmm, something like a function (or interpreters of functions) [Char] -> [Int3]?
21:45:28 <JWinslow23> You know what? Has anybody made a language based off of checkers?
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21:46:22 <oerjan> even if he's not here, he would be the one to do such a thing.
21:46:40 <Bike> no, he'd use a board game way more obscure than checkers
21:47:08 <JWinslow23> The game is also known as Spellbinder.
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21:47:33 <kmc> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Most_ever_Brainfuckiest_Fuck_you_Brain_fucker_Fuck
21:47:45 <Bike> yeah, Spellbinder, that sounds more zzoic
21:47:47 <Koen_> Blognomic's current dynasty reminds me of spellbinder
21:48:28 <EgoBot> help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
21:48:52 <JWinslow23> !bf_txtgen I gotta go. Good to see ya!
21:48:56 <EgoBot> 228 +++++++++++++++[>+++++>++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>--.>++.>--.++++++++.+++++..-------------------.<.>++++++.++++++++.>+.<<.<--.>>..<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>.>+++++.-----.<.>++++.<<+..>.>++++++.<<----.>+.-----------------------. [556]
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21:49:13 <myname> what do these numbers mean?
21:49:24 <Koen_> that's a nice piece of code but how can we read it
21:49:42 <Koen_> !bf +++++++++++++++[>+++++>++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>--.>++.>--.++++++++.+++++..-------------------.<.>++++++.++++++++.>+.<<.<--.>>..<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>.>+++++.-----.<.>++++.<<+..>.>++++++.<<----.>+.-----------------------. [556]
21:49:54 <oerjan> JWinslow23: hm apart from the pencil-paper part it sounds like something someone in my old gamer's club described once. i suppose you just need pencil and paper to keep track?
21:51:37 <oerjan> myname: length of program and number of steps, perhaps?
21:52:01 <oerjan> !bf +++++++++++++++[>+++++>++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>--.>++.>--.++++++++.+++++..-------------------.<.>++++++.++++++++.>+.<<.<--.>>..<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>.>+++++.-----.<.>++++.<<+..>.>++++++.<<----.>+.-----------------------.
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21:52:22 <oerjan> EgoBot: why are you not working
21:52:26 <oerjan> ^bf +++++++++++++++[>+++++>++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>--.>++.>--.++++++++.+++++..-------------------.<.>++++++.++++++++.>+.<<.<--.>>..<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>.>+++++.-----.<.>++++.<<+..>.>++++++.<<----.>+.-----------------------.
21:52:27 <fungot> I gotta go. Good to see ya!.
21:52:51 <EgoBot> help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
21:52:52 <fungot> olsner: anyways the compiler just needs to be
21:53:00 <oerjan> Gregor: i think EgoBot is ill
21:53:33 <oerjan> `interp bf '+++++++++++++++[>+++++>++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>--.>++.>--.++++++++.+++++..-------------------.<.>++++++.++++++++.>+.<<.<--.>>..<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>.>+++++.-----.<.>++++.<<+..>.>++++++.<<----.>+.-----------------------.'
21:53:35 <HackEgo> I gotta go. Good to see ya!
21:54:15 <myname> since bf_textgen is supposed to do that
21:54:29 <oerjan> HackEgo does contain most of EgoBot's esolangs. not sure about the userinterps.
21:54:54 <oerjan> and of course it doesn't have bfjoust, i think.
21:55:07 <oerjan> !bfjoust areyouthere <
21:55:19 <EgoBot> Score for oerjan_areyouthere: 0.0
21:56:16 <EgoBot> Score for olsner_hurr: 6.3
21:56:23 <Koen_> ìnter ocaml 'print_newline (let () = print_string "Hello, " in print_string "World!")'
21:56:39 <Koen_> `interp ocaml 'print_newline (let () = print_string "Hello, " in print_string "World!")'
21:56:40 <HackEgo> exec: 4: ibin/ocaml: not found
21:56:53 <Koen_> too good to be true
21:57:04 <oerjan> EgoBot never had that afair
21:57:56 <oerjan> interp is for interpreters transfered from EgoBot to HackEgo
21:59:14 <oerjan> in theory you could install ocaml on HackEgo.
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22:05:29 <oerjan> `addquote <kmc> BBC: Exercise 'can be as good as pills' <kmc> oh, they mean for your health
22:05:34 <HackEgo> 1115) <kmc> BBC: Exercise 'can be as good as pills' <kmc> oh, they mean for your health
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22:09:31 <JWinslow23> Koen, I gave you 5 minutes. What is the esolangs page called?
22:10:13 <JWinslow23> You said the BASE-TWO page would be ready in 5 minutes. You said that 30 minutes ago!
22:10:27 <Fiora> gosh, such a slave driver
22:10:30 <Koen_> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Braincrash
22:11:31 <Koen_> I've got another one but apparently he's not in the turning tarpits category
22:11:45 <Koen_> also I seem to recall saying "I could" which hardly qualifies as promising
22:11:59 <Koen_> JWinslow23: a cellular automaton?
22:12:47 <oerjan> elliott: quite ridiculous that none of us noticed http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=AutoMouse&curid=1235&diff=37443&oldid=30864 before :P
22:13:20 <JWinslow23> I think the spaces gone on by the players would do something. Corners could be output commands, for example.
22:13:32 <elliott> oerjan: yeah, I facepalmed -_-
22:14:30 <oerjan> JWinslow23: well you did good
22:15:08 <JWinslow23> Thanks! And the site wasn't dead, the Wayback Machine just can't archive it's own crawl pages, and apparently that's what happened.
22:16:13 <olsner> hmm, doesn't the edited version link to an older version of the archived page?
22:17:32 <oerjan> yes, i just noticed that. trying to find the newest version now.
22:19:58 <JWinslow23> Maybe do something if the games are a win, loss, or tie, and on what square they won?
22:22:49 <oerjan> JWinslow23: as a general rule, we prefer to link to the newest web archive version of pages (excepting versions linking to error pages or domain squatters, of course)
22:23:04 <oerjan> although sometimes that takes a bit of searching to find.
22:23:11 <JWinslow23> Sorry, didn't have time to find that page.
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22:26:51 <HackEgo> 1l \ 2l \ adjust \ asm \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ bf_txtgen \ boolfuck \ c \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ dimensifuck \ forth \ glass \ glypho \ haskell \ k \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ malbolge \ pbrain \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ sh \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda \ whirl
22:29:15 <Bike> «Every day at 2200 GMT, the Ghost of MNG joins the mozilla #developers IRC channel to berate us for going with APNG. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3190427»
22:29:50 <EgoBot> help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
22:30:02 <EgoBot> Sorry, I have no help for bfjoust!
22:30:15 <kmc> Bike: haha
22:31:27 <FireFly> I suppose JWinslow23 has been properly `welcome'd?
22:31:41 <FireFly> Or whichever is the current favourite variation of it
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22:32:53 <kmc> i prefer rainwords welcome
22:33:09 <HackEgo> (.ten.lad.cri no ciretose# yrt ,aciretose fo dnik rehto eht roF) .egaP_niaM/ikiw/gro.sgnalose//:ptth :ikiw ruo tuo kcehc ,noitamrofni erom roF !tnemyolped dna ngised egaugnal gnimmargorp ciretose rof buh lanoitanretni eht ot emocleW
22:33:17 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: emoclaw: not found
22:33:47 <FireFly> olsner: those are too dangerous for HackEgo to provide
22:34:02 <olsner> I think there was an emoclaw around the time of the introduction of Grimmargorp
22:34:25 <Bike> kmc: i want to make raincome its own program, but the name makes me want to make a Reich pun and i've got nothing. ;_;
22:35:19 <kmc> what's the reich pun?
22:35:52 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_Gonna_Rain it's gon' come down
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22:36:08 <kmc> that's not what the word makes me think of
22:48:53 <oerjan> JWinslow23: i wrote an argument about Pancake Stack being turing complete iff values are unbounded.
22:49:52 <oerjan> JWinslow23: also http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust
22:50:23 <JWinslow23> No, I know what that is. I just don't have a good strategy.
22:51:57 <HackEgo> Bike: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
22:52:36 <oerjan> Bike: i'm just saying it already exists.
22:52:37 * Lymia sits in elliott's lap :3
22:52:50 <Bike> yes and it has a boring name.
22:53:36 <oerjan> <kmc> that's not what the word makes me think of <-- i'm with kmc
22:53:56 <JWinslow23> Anyone gonna make a new program in Drive-In Window?
22:54:15 <oerjan> JWinslow23: http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies ;)
22:54:54 <kmc> hooray i'm not the only one with a dirty mind (?)
22:56:46 <oerjan> kmc: um connecting reich with the nazis makes you dirty now?
22:57:43 <kmc> I was talking about my association with "raincome" not reich...
22:57:46 <Bike> (kmc was thinking of something else *giggles*)
22:57:54 <oerjan> ok. i have another association.
22:57:59 <JWinslow23> !bfjoust maybethisonewillwin? (>+>-)*4>([-]+>[-]->)*11
22:58:02 <EgoBot> Score for JWinslow23_maybethisonewillwin_: 13.8
22:58:21 <oerjan> `run mv bin/{rwel,oz}come
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22:59:45 <EgoBot> help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
23:00:01 <EgoBot> languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh.
23:00:19 <JWinslow23> !bf_txtgen An addicting game I play is called Acheivement Unclocked. Play it sometime!
23:00:22 <EgoBot> 730 +++++++++++[>++++++++++>++++++>+++++++++>+++<<<<-]>>-.<.>>>-.<<++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++.>+.+++++.<-.<++++++.>>.<<------.>++++.>>.<<.------.<-.>++++.>>.<<----------------------------.>>.<<<+++.>>+++.<++++++++++++++++++++++++.<+++++++++.>>>.<---.<<------.>>>.<------.<.+++++++++++..>++.-.>.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<-.<----.>++.<+.<+++.>----.>++++++++.<.+++++++++.<--.-------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:00:41 <Bike> achievement unlocked got boring fast, thankfully
23:01:02 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: the whole universe is a bizarre spam.
23:01:05 <mnoqy> that's what a spam would say
23:01:25 <Phantom_Hoover> Bike, yeah, once you run out of the cute 'challenge' ones it's just a dumb slog
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23:02:24 <oerjan> ^ul (SPAM )S((SPAM )(SPAMMITY ))(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^
23:02:24 <fungot> SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAMMITY SPAM SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAM SPAMMITY SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAMMITY SPAM SPAM SPAMMITY SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAMMITY SPAM SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAM SPAMMITY SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAMMITY SPAM SP ...too much output!
23:03:19 <oerjan> the same sequence as always
23:03:33 <Phantom_Hoover> oh, i guess it's spam once or twice and then spammity once or twice, over and over
23:03:55 <kmc> > cycle "shit fuck hell damn ass "
23:03:56 <lambdabot> "shit fuck hell damn ass shit fuck hell damn ass shit fuck hell damn ass sh...
23:04:13 <oerjan> kmc: i find your swearing boringly repetitive
23:05:21 <kmc> it's lambdabot's swearing.............
23:05:25 <oerjan> ^ul (12)S(*a(~:)~*^~):((1)S)~*~((2)S:*)~*:(~:()~)~*^(a(:^)*~a(*()~)~*^~^):^ variation!
23:05:28 <fungot> 122112122122112112212112122112112122122112122121121122122112122122112112122121122122112122122112112212112122122112112122112112212112112212211212212112212212112112212211212212112112212112122112112122121122122112122122112112122112112212212112122112112212112112212212112122112112122122112122121121122122121122122112122122112112 ...too much output!
23:06:47 <oerjan> well, not so much a variation as a completely different sequence.
23:08:58 <oerjan> ^ul (^^:^^^:^^^^^:^^^^^^:::^^^^^^^^:::^^^:^^^^::^)()~((())~:a~*):a~*~^!(~((!())(!:^(^)*)(!!:^(!^)*))~*^!!^):^(~((()())(:a~*:(*(!^)(:)S)~*~(!*(^)(^)S)~*):a~**((!^)~^!^)(!(^)~^^))~*^( )S!!a:(*)*~(~*)**^~*(()()(!)()(!)(:a~*:(!^(!^((!^)*)(!(^)*))(!^((^)*)(!(^)*)))~*~(!^(!^((!^)*)(!(^)*))(!^((^)*)(!(!^)*)))~*):^)~*^!!!!!!~:^):^
23:09:01 <fungot> ^^:^^^:^^^^^:^^^^^^:::^^^^^^^^:::^^^:^^^^::^ :^^^:^^^:::^^^::::^::^^::::::^::^^:^^^::^:^^ ^^:^^^:^::^^:^:::^^:^^^:::::^^:^^^^^:^:^^^^^ :^^^:^^^:^^^^^::^^^^^:^::::^^^^^:::^^^^^:::: ^^:^^^:^^^:::^:^^:::^^^:::^^:::^::^^:::^:::: ^^^^:^^^:^::^^^^^::^^:^::^^^::^^:^^^::^^:::^ :::^^^:^^^:^^:::^:^^^^^:^^:^:^^^^^:^:^^^::^^ ::^^:^^^: ...too much output!
23:10:23 <oerjan> that one only looks right if you have the right setup so the "words" wrap and line up vertically.
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23:11:33 <oerjan> (which happens to work in irssi with 80 columns.)
23:11:48 <oerjan> well, my irssi setup anyway.
23:13:48 <oerjan> (also these are all on the wiki, modulo some tweaking to make them work in irc)
23:18:18 <oerjan> <myname> oh, a . <-- it's actually a newline which fungot converts to a period
23:18:19 <fungot> oerjan: or that... explicitly. you can debug just a portion of the screen, then do the complex probabilities work for qubit states?) work :)
23:18:54 <myname> oerjan: it didn't on the line ending with !
23:18:56 <oerjan> fungot: i don't think underload does quantum computing very efficiently yet.
23:18:56 <fungot> oerjan: which i think looks nicer for some things i dislike with plt code using `case-lambda'? you don't know
23:19:58 <oerjan> myname: no i mean, if you try print a newline from ^bf, fungot prints a period instead.
23:19:59 <fungot> oerjan: now i type fnord, not for me... except when the file is in one of them is the same
23:20:53 <oerjan> and same with some other control characters.
23:20:54 <myname> oerjan: the question is: why did bt_gentext added a newline there
23:21:20 <oerjan> myname: because EgoBot includes the newline in the text fed to commands.
23:22:21 <myname> oerjan: as i said: it didn't on the other line ending with !
23:22:50 <oerjan> i haven't found that line.
23:23:26 <myname> 23:48:51 <JWinslow23> !bf_txtgen I gotta go. Good to see ya!
23:25:29 <oerjan> myname: yes it did, when that was run with fungot. with HackEgo it's invisible, though.
23:25:30 <fungot> oerjan: or it doesn't. the macro section uses define-macro... that's all :(. well, if i can provide the whole language, actually
23:26:03 <myname> strange bot stuff happening here
23:27:06 <oerjan> it's simple: EgoBot's !bf_txtgen includes the newline. fungot's ^bf turns newlines into periods on output. HackEgo strips trailing newlines in its output.
23:27:35 <oerjan> also, HackEgo turns internal newlines into " \ "
23:27:43 <HackEgo> y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y
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23:37:14 <JWinslow23> Anyone gonna suggest anything for my Tic-Tac-Toe language? Program form, maybe?
23:38:22 <myname> JWinslow23: you could make a bf derivate depending on where the winning line is placed ;p
23:38:56 <JWinslow23> So, the outer border could be some of the bf commands and center a nop?
23:39:04 <oerjan> each tic you tac on a new toe
23:40:16 <oerjan> it was an Oerjan Wordplay™
23:40:58 <JWinslow23> You trademarked that? Then I will "strike back!
23:42:01 <oerjan> is "striking like 'pataphysics
23:42:09 <Bike> you put the TM in the quotes. innovative
23:42:12 <Bike> i am also in the quotes.
23:42:46 <oerjan> Bike: no you are not, i ended them.
23:43:00 <JWinslow23> Messed up on that. Anyway, I don't want the program sizes to be really big, unlike all of my others. So, Pancake Stack™.
23:43:02 <oerjan> or wait, we're in the single quotes. let's fix that'
23:43:15 <Bike> no, in "'pataphysics" it's just part of the word
23:43:21 <Bike> NOW we're in single quotes. thanks jackass!!
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23:44:11 <Bike> the simpsons family, maybe
23:44:25 <oerjan> ^bf +++++[->++++++++<]>+[.]
23:44:25 <fungot> ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ...
23:46:29 <oerjan> if we're a family IRC, we need to make a more child-friendly version of brainfuck. also this joke is not even new.
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23:48:24 <oerjan> i think i chased them away.
23:48:36 <Bike> mnoqy? you may have!!
23:48:38 <JWinslow23> Instead of shooting yourself in the foot, in COBOL, you put ARM.HAND.FINGER on COLT45HANDGUN.TRIGGER and SQUEEZE COLT45HANDGUN.TRIGGER
23:48:56 <oerjan> where is btiggins when you need him.
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23:49:57 <Bike> wait, have we made more than one cobol guy in here
23:50:26 <Bike> oh, no that was the same guy, right.
23:50:44 <myname> you know what's great about cobol?
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