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17:47:06 <HackEgo> HackEgo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
17:47:28 <boily> as the Gregor leaves for warmer sunsets, in come the Future of Botkind.
17:47:33 <mrhmouse> fizzie: then that message is stored in a massive list (in memory). I'm splitting on spaces ahead of time because I'm currently transitioning between repeating messages and munging them
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17:47:55 <int-e> what does glogbot do?
17:48:39 <boily> int-e: it is a glogging bot. it glogs.
17:49:17 * boily kicks ddg in the uncomedic untiming.
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17:50:48 <boily> probably something related to glögg, perhaps.
17:51:36 <mrhmouse> boily: are you using their keyless API?
17:52:28 <olsner> boily: probably not.. glögg is good though
17:53:12 <boily> mrhmouse: no key in my code.
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17:53:44 <mrhmouse> boily: that's probably why; I think they limit their results unless you're using the API that requires a key
17:54:12 <mrhmouse> boily: I use the same API for a different bot (on a different channel, on a different server..) to look up definitions
17:54:58 <boily> olsner: I saw a recipe for that the other day on /r/food. it seems quite a bit dangerous.
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17:55:54 <boily> mrhmouse: I have to refactor and polish my code for the Real Metasepia. I had the module scrutinized by the Prying Eyes of the people who know how to Haskell correctly here.
17:56:12 <boily> olsner: warm. sugar. lots of alcohol. almonds!
17:56:42 <olsner> and after you polish the code, you'll finnish it?
17:56:44 <mrhmouse> boily: I would learn how to Haskell correctly, but Haskell hates tabs and I hate spaces
17:58:21 <boily> mrhmouse: tabs are evil. embrace the way of the space!
18:01:20 <mrhmouse> that's also why I gave up on OCaml & F#.. unless I use the silly ;; I can't use tabs
18:02:16 <olsner> boily: fwiw it's usually drunk in very small cups and one batch will be shared with a lot of people
18:02:21 <elliott> if your sole reason for not learning a language is because it's maybe slightly awkward to indent the way you're used to then I think I'm even more sick of nerds than I was yesterday
18:02:33 <olsner> it's also approx. the same strength as plain wine
18:02:53 <Bike> elliott: do you need me to take you to the hospital.
18:02:57 <mrhmouse> elliott: that's not my sole reason. I don't have a pressing reason _to_ learn those outside of curiousity
18:04:20 <boily> olsner: oh. hmm... we are in December, and I'll be spending the holidays at my parents... and they know of my habit to make them try new liquids.
18:04:27 <mrhmouse> elliott: there are plenty of languages around these days to take my pick.. Those languages are interesting, but others were more comfortable to use.
18:04:29 <boily> mwah ah ah. MUAH AH AH AH AH AH AH!
18:04:41 <elliott> there is also non-layout syntax and the simple expedient of writing your code so that the interpretation of tab as spaces-to-mod-8 (or is it just 8-spaces? I forget) is never relevant -- which should be what you're doing anyway, since there's no point to use tabs if you're going to do indentation-width-dependent alignment
18:04:43 <mrhmouse> boily: please don't kill anybody
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18:06:17 <Bike> the more i get comfortable with verilog the more i hate it, it's amazing
18:06:24 <boily> mrhmouse: they already went through mate, turkish coffee, milk tea, chaï... I haven't got to kombucha yet.
18:08:00 <mrhmouse> elliott: I'm not up for inputting tabs as spaces and then magically erasing 8 spaces when I press backspace.
18:08:23 <mrhmouse> elliott: now, I could very easily replace tabs in my code with 8 spaces _before_ passing it to Haskell
18:08:23 <Bike> i'm too sleepy to make a funny face
18:08:35 <Bike> you deserve it though
18:08:42 <elliott> editors doing things when you press keys: ~magic~
18:08:42 <fizzie> Bike: How about... VeriLAB? (MATlog.)
18:08:54 <elliott> computers: a special kind of fire? magic.
18:09:07 <olsner> the most evil kind of magic that allows you to work with other people
18:09:22 <elliott> look I used to be a total tab zealot
18:09:36 <Bike> i'm really disappointed that 'tab zealot' is a concept.
18:09:44 <elliott> I realised life is meaningless but especially so if you give the slightest shit about any of this
18:09:49 <mrhmouse> I'm all for spaces iff I can get one feature: I like a tab width of 2
18:10:09 <shachaf> i used to be a tab zealot but now i prefer windows
18:10:11 * boily shoots fpgas at fizzie
18:10:24 <mrhmouse> it's just easier for me to read. that's it. well, that, and I know that my team mates _don't_ like a tab width of 2
18:10:26 <Bike> like, i mean, i expected more out of life. nobody told me, on exiting the womb, that i would add 'tab zealot' to my conceptual repertoire in a few years.
18:10:52 <mrhmouse> tabs can be displayed at different widths on different machines. this is the _only_ reason I prefer them.
18:11:01 <shachaf> mrhmouse....................
18:11:40 <Bike> i'm a thinking being. i can conceptualize so many things. and now 'tab zealot' is in there. that concept just drags down my entire ability to think and categorize observed entities, by mere association.
18:11:44 <shachaf> please see elliott's previous statement
18:12:23 <olsner> Bike: are you a space zealot?
18:12:48 <Bike> i'm a not-conceptualizing-zealotry-about-fucking-spaces-are-you-fucking-joking zealot
18:14:05 <Bike> see train zealotry i could get behind, that has some kind of import.
18:20:52 <mrhmouse> okie dokie then... elliott: when you say non-layout syntax, do you mean ML or Haskell? I remember seeing ML had one, but it's been a while since I've looked at Haskell..
18:21:21 <mrhmouse> if you mean Haskell, I'll have to give it another look-over
18:22:50 <Bike> @ask ais523 does verilog let you paramaterize bus width of inputs because wtf verilog
18:22:51 <Bike> it is @ask right
18:22:51 <lambdabot> help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
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18:23:31 <Bike> @ask ais523 does vhdl let you paramaterize bus widths
18:24:04 <mrhmouse> Bike: you must have missed it due to connection issues, but lambdabot got your first @ask
18:24:43 <mrhmouse> elliott: nevermind, I've found what you meant about Haskell. The material I was reading before didn't mention the use of curly braces. Thanks :D
18:24:47 <Bike> @tell ais523 sorry, ignore the verilog ask
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18:40:46 <mrhmouse> Does anybody know how long lambdabot stores a @tell before discarding it?
18:46:26 <olsner> lambdabot knows, I hope
18:47:29 <boily> @ask lambdabot do you know?
18:47:42 <boily> fungot: do you know what the lambdabot says?
18:47:42 <fungot> boily: with that he struck the note in question. " do you observe?" ( such was the phrase with which the two fnord in the wood-- here's fnord shawl being blown away!'"
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18:49:25 <lambdabot> "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\"
18:50:01 <lambdabot> help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
18:50:04 <lambdabot> "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\"
18:50:36 <int-e> > map length . group $ fix show
18:50:45 <int-e> > map length . group $ fix show
18:50:50 <boily> ~eval map length . group $ fix show
18:50:54 <boily> ~eval map length . group $ fix show
18:52:06 <int-e> > take 10 . map length . group $ fix show
18:52:30 <olsner> @help yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw
18:52:36 <int-e> it *is* running out of time, it'll never be able to produce the first 1024 characters of that list.
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18:52:52 <boily> what the fungot is an yhjul and all that sort of thing...
18:52:52 <fungot> boily: and minnie wound up the fnord, and was still. the professor bowed, but he didn't smile this time.
18:53:31 <boily> @help yhjulpouletpouletpoulet
18:53:31 <lambdabot> help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
18:53:37 <olsner> yhjul is just a small prefix of yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw
18:53:37 <boily> @yhjulpouletpouletpoulet
18:53:49 <olsner> it was as far as I could remember
18:54:14 <boily> you mean there is sense under that linenoise?
18:54:40 <int-e> there may be an inside joke in there
18:55:06 <int-e> (lambdabot used to generate random function names, for example; yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw may have been one of those)
18:55:07 <olsner> according to what I heard it's just the random name that v was renamed to
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19:01:27 <olsner> fungot yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw fnord
19:01:27 <fungot> olsner: " the house, to meet once more after so many years, you see. no repetition!"
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19:02:29 <mrhmouse> did fungot just use balanced quotation marks?
19:02:29 <fungot> mrhmouse: " a conspiracy! it's so confusing to have some of them wholesome, and some bad-tempered ones have green eyes, and they had nothing more to say
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19:05:17 <olsner> probably a 50% chance it was unbalanced before and simply stayed unbalanced after that
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19:35:45 <ruddy> FireFly ♪ hey FireFly ♪
19:37:00 <ruddy> bonjour boily ♪ hey boily
19:38:47 <mrhmouse> ruddy, you're quite musical this evening...
19:38:48 <ruddy> quite possibly car quite not quite true not quite mrhmouse mrhmouse, mrhmouse
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19:39:45 <ion> A friend’s dog is a cat: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1466131_10202269595998086_1354169662_n.jpg
19:40:09 <Taneb> ion, iirc terriers were originally bred as ratting dogs
19:42:55 <boily> topologically speaking, dogs and cats are the same animals.
19:44:02 <ion> `addquote <boily> topologically speaking, dogs and cats are the same animals.
19:44:06 <HackEgo> 1140) <boily> topologically speaking, dogs and cats are the same animals.
19:46:00 <boily> ion: the quote, it is PDFed.
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20:02:09 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: elly: not found
20:08:16 <quintopia> is there a name for the class of languages which are capable of performing only thos computations which halt?
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20:12:42 <quintopia> is there a category on the wiki for total languages
20:13:12 <Bike> i doubt there are any
20:14:12 <Bike> since you can't really describe /all/ total functions without saying "total functions" basically
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20:17:13 <Bike> we're talking about all total functions, not subsets of them
20:17:20 <Bike> subsets of that*
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20:18:22 <tromp__> you mean all computable total functions
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21:41:27 <kmc> grr, how to examine a location like %fs:0x70 in GDB
21:43:23 <kmc> do i have to make the program call arch_prctl(ARCH_GET_FS, &somewhere)
21:43:32 <kmc> what a tremendous pain in the ass
21:43:47 <Fiora> isn't fs listed in the registers list?
21:45:05 <kmc> yeah but the value there is a segment selector
21:45:24 <Taneb> Fiora, help I have pre-ordered the Namco dating sim Hussie is making
21:45:33 <Fiora> Taneb: oh gosh, it's /buyable/ now?
21:45:35 <kmc> to get the base address of that segment you'd need to look at the LDT/GDT and/or the 64-bit FS base MSR (which is what arch_prctl accesses)
21:45:41 <Fiora> Taneb: does it have Tales characters yet
21:45:49 <Bike> Taneb: are you going to date the spaceship
21:45:52 <Taneb> Fiora, I think it'll be F2P with purchasable characters
21:45:57 <olsner> is the FS base MSR updated when loading fs from a descriptor?
21:46:01 <Bike> Taneb: good man
21:46:08 <Fiora> kmc: rdfsbase instruction? (it's kinda new)
21:46:11 <kmc> olsner: I'm not sure
21:46:27 <kmc> Fiora: woah, did not know about that one
21:46:37 <Fiora> Taneb: yeah, I'm just like, I remember new characters being announced and stuff and most being like "pac man" or something
21:46:42 <Fiora> but then like. terezi shows up or something ???
21:46:46 <Taneb> Fiora, no Tales characters, no Pac Man either
21:46:47 <Fiora> and it's namco so they might have tales characters
21:47:02 <olsner> rdfsbase is probably only available in supervisor mode and in unreleased processors
21:47:10 <Fiora> oh, it's privileged only?
21:47:14 <Taneb> I think there are either going to be more characters announced or secret characters
21:47:17 <boily> Taneb, Fiora: as seemingly you are dating sim players, and that I'm kinda intrigued by the genre, what would be a good starting point? (something that can preferably run on linux and/or android without too much hassle.)
21:47:21 <olsner> no idea, but it might be
21:47:28 <Taneb> boily, I'm not a dating sim player
21:47:55 <boily> Taneb: re. “I have pre-ordered the Namco dating sim”, what are you then?
21:48:05 <Fiora> boily: I guess I'd start by distinguishing "dating sim" (e.g. maybe magical diary, tokimeki memorial?) from "visual novel" (e.g. ever17)?
21:48:08 <Taneb> This will be my first foree (however you spell that) into the genre
21:48:12 <olsner> pre-orderer but not player then?
21:48:13 <Fiora> they're often-confused
21:48:22 <Bike> or taneb's just getting it because of the huss.
21:48:25 <boily> Fiora: good point.
21:48:29 <shachaf> why do people do this :'( http://kuznero.com/2013/12/03/what-is-a-monad/
21:48:45 <Fiora> for visual novels you probably want to pick between bishoujo games or otome games (or non-romance games, there's some of those too)
21:48:50 <Bike> wow look at all those smiley faces.
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21:48:57 <boily> I'll be also exploring the Offered Games for my Ouya. I hope there's at least one I like :)
21:49:07 <Bike> shachaf: have you considered writing a parody blog entry about "what is a quadrilateral" or something in the same tone
21:49:20 <shachaf> Bike: no but imo you should do it
21:49:53 <boily> Fiora: I ain't romancing no otome.
21:50:02 <Bike> too bad it would be funny to an estimated zero percent of the population
21:50:12 <kmc> shachaf: ;_;
21:50:18 <Bike> boily hates maidens with a burning passion
21:50:57 <olsner> it has a nice description of curring [sic] too
21:51:09 <kmc> is it curring complete
21:51:33 <Fiora> I guess for dating sims I liked magical diary and RE:Alistair++
21:51:58 <Fiora> I played the fan translation (I think?) of tokimeki memorial girls' side but it felt kind of grindy and I didn't quite get the mechanics that well
21:52:00 <boily> Bike: only if there's a kinship between the protagonist and the maiden in question.
21:52:07 <Fiora> I guess persona counts as a dating sim in a terribly loose way??
21:52:09 <olsner> kmc: something something curring-thurth
21:52:22 <olsner> curring-thurth cheeses?
21:52:59 <boily> Fiora: well, people are now playing roguelikelikes, so maybe persona is a dating sim sim?
21:53:14 <Fiora> "roguelikelike" is the best word
21:53:37 <myname> what the hell is a roguelikelike?
21:53:41 <Taneb> @karma RE:Alistair
21:53:52 <Fiora> I've heard it referred to for things like FTL?
21:53:52 <boily> myname: something that has procedural generation and permadeath.
21:53:52 <myname> or, what is a roguelikelike like?
21:54:00 <Fiora> which are like, like a roguelike, but don't have turn based ness and stuff
21:54:23 <Fiora> for non-romance-focused visual novels I'd recommend maybe 999, virtue's last reward, ever17, analogue/hate plus, umineko, maybeish?
21:54:25 <boily> myname: bindings of isaac, FTL, stuff like that. minecraft in hardcore mode, too.
21:54:32 <Fiora> oh, and remember11 I guess
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21:54:50 <Bike_> i was going to make a joke about grinding on a date but i was distracted by the question of how the hell a dating sim involves leveling
21:54:53 <boily> Fiora: sadly, I have to leave and disappear in the Cold World. I'll be browsing the logs tomorrow morning.
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21:55:08 <Fiora> (there are very few non-romance focused visual novels <.< and even fewer translated)
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21:55:16 <myname> boily: i don't quite get it, but i think i may be okay with it
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22:45:30 <oerjan> <ruddy> i've man, they so should call bmp the "prime material interesting interesting interesting interesting <-- i'm with ruddy
22:45:33 <ruddy> i've man, they so should call bmp man, they so should call bmp the interesting
22:46:22 <mrhmouse> Preeeetty sure ruddy is drunk.
22:47:12 <ruddy> Taneb ♪ hey Taneb ♪
22:47:12 <oerjan> mrhmouse: hm ruddy's response to someone quoting them is a little predictable
22:47:14 <ruddy> who's i would want explicit caching and pipelining so the internet fight or fight response hm
22:47:40 <oerjan> internet fight or fight response, sounds about right
22:47:56 <mrhmouse> oerjan: only because its bank of messages isn't very large right now
22:48:13 <mrhmouse> ruddy is also musical lately.. I wonder who taught it that
22:48:16 <ruddy> probably i wonder i wonder if that ... i wonder if mrhmouse liked it
22:48:24 <mrhmouse> I did like it, ruddy. Thank you.
22:48:26 <ruddy> thank you? i like you. (and people like you. thank you.) we believe you. thank you, mrhmouse
22:49:02 <oerjan> mrhmouse: i think boily is the musical one around here.
22:50:37 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.13929
22:50:37 <mrhmouse> Taneb: to answer your question - ruddy is a chatterbot
22:50:39 <ruddy> ah, here's the chatterbot mathematical question tough question good question that does not answer my question
22:52:24 <FreeFull> What is the chatterbot equivalent of alcohol?
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22:54:04 <mrhmouse> I'm not sure. ruddy: what is the chatterbot equivalent of alcohol?
22:54:07 <ruddy> a drunk ah, here's the chatterbot now. looks like a shitty chatterbot er, mrhmouse: lol, yeah sure.
22:54:14 <Bike> a chat with parry
22:54:27 <mrhmouse> Bike: I thought Parry was actually decent?
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22:55:13 <Taneb> mrhmouse, what language is ruddy written in?
22:55:14 <ruddy> also, won't people be offended if i put religious texts in? ruddy, you made Taneb, right? ruddy, Taneb: you're both cute imo Taneb, meat ruddy. ruddy, this is Taneb. some people here tried matchmaking Taneb and ruddy, with no avail.
22:56:22 <mrhmouse> It was just a side project that I decided to bring into the channel one day.. it's mostly hacked together
22:59:27 <oerjan> ruddy: hey mezzacotta's blathering includes the book of mormon...
22:59:29 <ruddy> hey ... keyboard to that mobile device. hey people hey oerjan hey oerjan hey there oerjan
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22:59:50 <Taneb> mrhmouse, what texts is is trained on?
22:59:53 <oerjan> ruddy: hej hej hemskt mycket hej
23:00:47 <mrhmouse> oerjan: if it can't find a suitable response, it stays silent.
23:00:48 <oerjan> mrhmouse: i think ruddy is a bit weak on swedish
23:00:51 <ruddy> is occasionally identity, and weak tables. i'm not that is a small city by swedish measurements. fun fact: "fyllo" is swedish slang for "drunk" hm doesn't swedish have a word like "kuldegrader"
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23:04:07 <oerjan> <mrhmouse> boily: I would learn how to Haskell correctly, but Haskell hates tabs and I hate spaces <-- you _can_ use tabs in haskell, it's just not recommended
23:04:43 <oerjan> because it can mess up if editors aren't set to the official "indents to next multiple of 8 column" interpretation
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23:06:07 <oerjan> (you _can_ use it even without that, but then you need to be sure only to start blocks at the beginning of lines)
23:07:01 <oerjan> you can also go the zzo38 way and use explicit braces.
23:07:20 <mrhmouse> oerjan: if I decide to revisit Haskell, I'll be using explicit braces
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23:07:48 <oerjan> mrhmouse: YOU'LL STILL BE A WEIRDO THOUGH
23:08:09 <mrhmouse> I'm okay with that :P also I don't know this hth thing :I
23:08:16 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
23:08:20 <HackEgo> hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous.
23:08:32 <oerjan> i hope that cleared it up
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23:10:20 <zzo38> There are a few people who use explicit braces in Haskell, I am not the only one and neither are you. It isn't the most common way but it is OK; it is not a problem to use explicit braces. However, I do have one recommendation, which is to not use explicit and implicit format in the same file.
23:11:07 <mrhmouse> zzo38: I would like to think that's common sense
23:11:48 <mrhmouse> but thank you for the heads up. anything to look out for with the explicit-braces approach?
23:12:50 <oerjan> i think it has fewer gotchas than the implicit one, for sure
23:12:56 <zzo38> mrhmouse: I expect the way of things working is more obvious when explicit-braces are used.
23:13:35 <mrhmouse> zzo38: I should hope so. A big turn-off from Haskell initially was that I got very difficult to debug error messages when I tried coding using tabs and layout style
23:14:04 <oerjan> zzo38: one exception: it _might_ occasionally be nice to use explicit ; even if you don't use explicit {}. well, maybe.
23:14:28 <oerjan> since you can then fit more things on one line.
23:15:06 <zzo38> mrhmouse: Well, one more thing: If you are using explicit-braces, you also need the explicit "module" declaration (which is a good idea anyways, though)
23:15:14 <mrhmouse> I gotta run.. dinner plans. @tell me any other gotchas if you think of them
23:15:22 <mrhmouse> don't teach ruddy terrible things
23:15:23 <ruddy> heading out. don't paris is terrible hehhhhh, teach just described parameters in verilog modules as "like c #defines" i think he meant he wanted me to teach him watching starcraft don't worry, they're all terrible
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23:18:23 <oerjan> zzo38: i don't think anything actually _breaks_ if you forget the explicit module declaration, does it? oh hm i guess if you put things on the beginning of the line that aren't just after a ;
23:18:46 <oerjan> but would you do that assuming you are still indenting things normally
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23:32:52 <oerjan> hm these apples are marked with the german place name südtirol, which is in italy.
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23:57:18 <zzo38> oerjan: It has the possibility to break if you omit the module declaration, so I always include it anyways just in case (and because having a module declaration is a good idea in general, too)