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01:29:22 <shachaf> kmc: http://slbkbs.org/ramsale.jpg
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01:40:44 <kmc> shachaf: haha
01:42:25 <Bike> they have a different number each time..
01:43:09 <ais523> sure it's the same person?
01:43:32 <Bike> well they have similar IPs too
01:43:34 <Bike> and uh, behavior
01:43:49 <ais523> it could be the JM Society
01:44:02 <ais523> which has a computer lab that people use for going into IRC channels and saying hi
01:44:08 <ais523> with members known only by their numbers
01:44:39 <ais523> I wasn't actually being serious
01:44:44 <ais523> but it's a possibility, at least
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02:11:50 <shachaf> kmc: you know when people make burrito jokes and then it turns out they were only saying them ironically so it's not actually annoying
02:12:54 <shachaf> such a relief to find that out
02:13:49 <kmc> i know right
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06:07:01 <Bike> oh hey, turing got pardoned.
06:08:01 <kmc> living anachronism issues 60 year late non-apology
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06:10:40 <shachaf> an apology later followed by a pardon
06:11:34 <kmc> oh i only saw the text of the pardon, which isn't much of an apology
06:12:16 <shachaf> well the apology was a few years ago
06:13:29 <shachaf> there was also http://www.theguardian.com/uk/the-northerner/2012/feb/07/alan-turing-pardon-lord-mcnally-lord-sharkey-computers
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06:18:08 <Bike> 'hullaballoo in the UK' seems like a bit of a downgrade
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06:24:46 <zzo38> I played Yomi cards today; I won despite having only one hit point left (my opponent had ten).
06:26:02 <coppro> I have not played Yomi
06:26:07 <coppro> I have, however, played Mao with Yomi decks
06:26:37 * Bike gives coppro a penalty card
06:28:55 <zzo38> coppro: You have? Any card game using the standard 52 card deck + jokers can be played with Yomi decks, so that is OK too
06:29:50 <zzo38> I thought he would surely play an attack, and of speed 1.0; I thought I should definitely play a dodge, but I didn't have any dodge, so I thought I should play a 0.6 speed attack, but that is a dragon card and I don't have a dragon form, so I played what I considered best card that I would have, which is 1.2 which might be too slow but might not be, and it ended up being fast enough to beat their 2.2 speed card.
06:30:10 <kmc> I thought I should definitely play a doge, but I didn't have any doge
06:30:10 <zzo38> My card caused exactly ten damage, as it turned out. (And if the speed was equal, it would be ended in a tie.)
06:30:43 <mauke> are you aware of the dogscape?
06:31:51 <zzo38> I don't know how common tie games are in Yomi.
06:32:29 <zzo38> I think normally it may be played whoever caused more damage, whoever hit first, or "sudden death" is played, but I prefer, the tie stands if both players have 0 or less current HP at the end of the turn.
06:32:32 <shachaf> Invent the game called "Doge - The Card Game" and "Professional Doge of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly)
06:33:12 <zzo38> shachaf: You can try to make up such card games if you like to.
06:33:30 <shachaf> Are you sure they're card games?
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06:52:05 <zzo38> The standard rules also say that in case both players run out of cards in their draw pile and in their hand, whoever has more hit points remaining wins. Such a thing is extremely unlikely. But in such a case, I prefer that the game just continues normally (which usually results in a draw, but if one side is Argagarg then they win; if both sides are, whoever has more hit points wins, unless they differ by no more than one, in which case it is a tie)
06:53:41 <kmc> copumpkin: привет товарищ
06:54:31 <shachaf> copumpkin: it's unbreakable so you might as well give up
06:54:54 <shachaf> just imagine it was on pastebin.com and presented by a rude person who kept changing nicks
06:54:59 <kmc> криптография
06:55:07 <kmc> shachaf: military grade encryption
06:55:30 <shachaf> is that what you learn in military grade school
06:55:42 <Bike> remember that translator guy who referred to russian as a code in strange symbols. such arrogance, wow
06:55:50 <shachaf> copumpkin: did i mention i bought the hott book
06:56:02 <kmc> MDZhB 24 664 NAYeMNICA 34 21 29 93 priyom
06:56:02 <copumpkin> it's probably a newer edition than mine :(
06:56:10 <shachaf> i waited until they stopped changing it before ordering it
06:56:16 <shachaf> so it's the sep 20 edition
06:56:27 <shachaf> also i got it in 99% paperback
06:56:30 <kmc> Bike: hike
06:56:41 <kmc> 99% paper 1% undetectible poison??
06:56:55 <shachaf> well, as opposed to 1% hardcover like copumpkin can afford
06:57:04 <shachaf> i know it's print-on-demand but it looks and feels just like a real book
06:57:10 <shachaf> but it doesn't smell like a new book :'(
06:57:12 <kmc> print-on-polite-request
06:57:21 <copumpkin> I was confused by the 99% thing too
06:58:12 <copumpkin> I probably should've slept on the plane
06:58:19 <copumpkin> but there were too many obnoxious sleep-detractors
06:59:15 <copumpkin> I left the ticket-buying to the last minute
06:59:26 <copumpkin> and aeroflot ended up being cheapest
06:59:57 <shachaf> i once flew sjc->sea via slc
07:00:20 <shachaf> and also sjc->jfk through lax
07:02:39 <kmc> honolulu to moscow via hong kong
07:02:46 <shachaf> copumpkin: should i read the hott book or the Illuminatus! trilogy first
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08:01:24 <Sgeo> http://www.kogan.com/au/blog/new-internet-explorer-7-tax/
08:02:53 <kmc> jesus that site has like 5 overlay ads
08:03:30 <Bike> the article is about an overlay ad.
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08:04:06 <Bike> petition for a news site that only reports on itself
08:04:23 <Sgeo> Can't get the IE7 overlay to appear in Chrome spoofing IE7
08:04:26 <Sgeo> But still getting the tax
08:05:22 <Sgeo> No tax for IE6
08:05:39 <Bike> ie6 is a stable, modern browser
08:41:01 <zzo38> If a lot of people make up a lot more levels for Attribute Zone game, then I can make an analysis to figure out how to make a good Huffman encoding and RLE to compress the levels.
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09:17:48 <fizzie> IDGI. I've disabled the "fast restart" according to all instructions, and do a "shutdown", but this thing's still all "Windows is hibernated, refused to mount. The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume read-only with the 'ro' mount option."
09:38:35 <mroman> http://codepad.org/81DO3BJd <- any syntax suggestions?
09:39:06 <mroman> FOR pushes an element of a list to the stack, executes the contained block and then repeats with the next element
09:39:33 <mroman> EACH is the same, but it works directly on the list (i.e it collects the top of the stack)
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09:40:39 <mroman> maybe merge PARAMs on one line ...
09:45:18 <zzo38> I think it is OK like that
09:54:44 <ion> shachaf: How does one pay $² 3000?
09:55:58 <mroman> What's the surface area of a dollar?
10:06:24 <fizzie> Where did that 0.01032256 cm^2 figure come from?
10:07:05 <fizzie> (It sounds incredibly unlikely for a dollar bill; and very font-and-size-specific for a dollar symbol.)
10:07:11 <mroman> according to the intarweb that's the surface area of a dollar bill
10:07:18 <fizzie> Well, I'm pretty sure it's not.
10:07:37 <fizzie> Because 0.01 cm^2 is approximately a one-millimetre-per-side square.
10:08:18 <fizzie> It seems to be in square metres.
10:08:33 <mroman> I used google to convert inches into meters
10:08:49 <mroman> 16 square inches to square meters
10:09:02 <mroman> 16 inches would be 0.4m
10:09:29 <fizzie> Given that it's almost 2014, you could've just asked W|A, you know.
10:09:54 <fizzie> "surface area of dollar" -> "Input interpretation: [ US 1 dollar banknote | area ]" + results in square millimeters, centimeters, meters, feet and inches.
10:10:32 <mroman> Given that it's almost 2014 some countries could've switched to using the metric system .
10:13:02 <mroman> then I wasn't off by much?
10:13:27 <fizzie> Just four orders of magnitude.
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11:33:21 <oerjan> merry almost-but-not-quite-officially christmas
11:33:52 <lambdabot> Local time for b_jonas is Tue Dec 24 12:33:51 2013
11:34:17 <oerjan> it's like officially 5PM here
11:45:01 <oerjan> this is fewer than i expected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Countries_that_do_not_recognize_Christmas_as_Public_Holiday.png
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11:46:30 <oerjan> your cloak fools no one, mr. cust765.
11:46:50 <ion> wat http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2013/12/wired-world-2014/android-becomes-the-new-linux
11:47:31 <ais523> nah, Android is the new Windows
11:48:37 <oerjan> maybe they should pull a stallman and insist they call it Android/Linux
11:49:14 <ais523> good hardware support for its platform, supported by the widest range of developers, somewhat buggy but unusably so, and normally comes preinstalled by default, except by Apple
11:50:24 <oerjan> i think you're missing a "not" in there
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11:52:08 <Taneb> I think Linux is the new linux
11:52:32 <Taneb> By which I mean, nothing's particularly changed.
11:52:45 <ais523> if you're looking for the Linux of mobile phones, I'd go for Meego or something like that
11:52:50 <Taneb> I suppose linux gaming is slightly more feasible
11:52:55 <Taneb> Than it was 5 years ago
11:53:11 <oerjan> wtf is that squeeking sound the neighbors keep making
11:53:15 <ais523> more than just "slightly", since Valve decided that they were going to support it
11:53:33 <ais523> having a major developer target an OS improves its chances significantly
11:54:09 <ais523> I mean, there was always some basis of support for it from game developers
11:54:17 <ais523> Bioware, for instance, released some of their games for Linux
11:54:27 <ais523> but the Linux versions were always kind-of obscure
11:55:13 <ais523> (Bioware's official method of buying the Linux port of Neverwinter Nights was "buy a CD of the windows version, send us the CD key, then you can download it from our website; if you can read the disk then that speeds things up because you won't have to download as much info, but it doesn't matter if you can't"
11:55:29 <ais523> what spelling does the "D" of "CD" use?
12:28:50 <fizzie> I've seen the c variant more often.
12:30:16 <fizzie> IEC 60908 is titled "Audio recording - Compact disc digital audio system".
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12:30:46 <fizzie> (And I remember doing the NWN Linux thing, probably by downloading the whole gigabyte-or-two client.)
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13:09:59 <Taneb> Just did that US dialect quize
13:10:17 <Taneb> It narrowed me down to Boston, LA, or Honolulu
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13:22:45 <oerjan> <fizzie> Given that it's almost 2014, you could've just asked W|A, you know. <-- or he could have given google the right units to convert between.
13:23:45 <oerjan> oh hm i'm not using my brain. nothing new there.
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18:15:37 <Taneb> Is it bad that the Doctor Who christmas special has become my favourite thing about Christmas?
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18:17:49 <ais523> from my point of view, the TV around Christmas tends to be even worse than normal
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18:35:56 <quintopia> oerjan: not math. i just tried to edit Brainfuck_constants from my phone
18:36:17 <quintopia> but totally broke the formatting in the display version
18:36:40 <quintopia> can you fix it? and figure out wtf my phone is doing?
18:41:38 <ion> The creator of SMBC is livedrawing requests http://www.twitch.tv/zachweinersmith
18:43:30 <oerjan> there are characters there that cut and paste as spaces, but which are interpreted wrong.
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18:45:13 <oerjan> Oh, you've also not put space at the beginning of some lines at all.
18:48:04 <oerjan> anyway i copied it via vim and back, and that fixed the problem. i also added spaces you'd missed.
18:49:00 <oerjan> A circumflex sounds like interpreting UTF-8 as latin-1.
18:49:17 <oerjan> fungot does that, btw.
18:49:18 <fungot> oerjan: caught a java.lang.classnotfoundexception! fnord, glassbot is still alive."(_o)o.? have never used haskell, of course
18:50:57 <oerjan> quintopia: that's the difference between fungot's ^ord and HackEgo's `ord, the latter uses proper utf-8.
18:50:57 <fungot> oerjan: if you are i guess. just check what directions recursive calls can move them
18:51:16 <oerjan> but fungot's is useful for seeing the actual bytes.
18:51:17 <fungot> oerjan: then again, " run delegate" can also be flipped ( the starred stuff) and still i think 5 minutes is more than a listing of existing scheme implementations? any non-toy r5rs one
18:52:06 <quintopia> oerjan: while you're there, you can probably move the 45306 subsection up to the "greater than 256" section
18:52:28 <oerjan> i was considering it yesterday...
18:52:36 <quintopia> i would, but i'd break it again probably
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18:59:28 <fizzie> fungot: Why can't you UTF-8, anyway? Is it TOO MUCH TO ASK?
18:59:29 <fungot> fizzie: do you compile it? :p. ugh i need to figure out
18:59:42 <fizzie> Well, as long as you're trying.
19:00:01 <quintopia> fizzie: he's saying you have to compile support for utf-8 in!
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19:04:40 <fungot> FireFly: mikä on extortion business or the like
19:04:53 <FireFly> Not a very merry christmas for mikä then
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19:11:08 <fizzie> fungot: How do I compile in UTF-8 support?
19:11:09 <fungot> fizzie: it also depends on defmacro, i was about to do that in my scheme window manager originally based on next. so far i've received several out of office!"
19:11:20 <fizzie> fungot: It sounds kinda difficult. Why don't you do it?
19:11:20 <fungot> fizzie: i don't suppose it lets you pass a list
19:11:36 <fizzie> fungot: Oh, well, in that case. I'll put it on the list.
19:11:36 <fungot> fizzie: i'll probably ask on the plt mailing list is any value that is a *very* irritating thing... all this reading about xaml makes me sick
19:11:57 <fizzie> Poor bot, forced to read about XAML all day long.
19:12:24 <shachaf> fizzie: Well, how could fungot even have the chance, while receiving several out of office?
19:12:25 <fungot> shachaf: an even shorter forth quine: http://rafb.net/ fnord iffi so far
19:14:13 <int-e> fungot almost tricked me into visiting that uri
19:14:13 <fungot> int-e: i'll try that right now
19:15:32 <shachaf> fungot: do you have first-class support for irritating values
19:15:32 <fungot> shachaf: looking at your fnord thing on your desk
19:15:43 <shachaf> fungot: hey don't look at that
19:15:43 <fungot> shachaf: jao: you are probably right. i meant because the authors aren't here. you only need to take an example sxml tree and an example of taking a canonical esolang ( bf). that effectively prevents any kind of url
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20:11:29 <fizzie> I think I tried to filter out "foo:" attribution lines.
20:11:39 <fizzie> Purely based on the fact that it doesn't usually say those.
20:11:48 <fizzie> But perhaps that was a case of "foo: bar: content here".
20:12:09 <ais523> yeah, I was wondering if it was a double reverse-attribution
20:12:16 <fizzie> shachaf: Please post a picture of your fnord thing on your desk.
20:12:22 <ais523> it's not an attribution, that would be "<fizzie> message here"
20:13:01 <fizzie> I was thinking of some other word.
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20:20:05 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: metar: not found
20:20:51 <oerjan> step 1: have metasepia here.
20:21:09 <Bike> step 2: hakkarrkrrrankbanpiedanangggcckladnkra
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21:10:49 <zzo38> I keep getting a ping timeout?
21:11:01 <ais523> zzo38: yes, 240 seconds was the last one
21:11:18 <zzo38> Do you know what is the problem?
21:21:32 <zzo38> I tried changing my IDLETIMER setting from 225 to 200 in case that helps
21:23:49 <mroman> zzo38: There are probably some problems on freenode right now
21:23:54 <mroman> I had a disconnect today too
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21:25:20 <oerjan> i haven't had a disconnect from freenode per se in a long time, afair
21:25:59 <oerjan> (presently i'm on webchat because the linux server i usually connect _via_ disconnected, but that's different.)
21:26:37 <oerjan> of course i usually use a fixed freenode server though (a swedish one iirc)
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21:47:40 <quintopia> i wonder if boily will be in here someday soon
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21:54:50 <Bike> happy fucking christmas everybody
21:57:17 <kmc> happy christing fuckmas
21:57:36 <kmc> it's not xmas yet though???
21:57:38 <kmc> for most of this channel
21:57:44 <shachaf> <#haskell> when trying to make something as simple as Conway's game of life, I shouldn't have to choose between readable and fast
21:57:48 <Bike> well it is in oceania or whatever right
21:57:50 <oerjan> wolfram alpha disappoints http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=mass+of+christ
21:59:22 <oklopol> finland celebrates the day before christmas more than the actual christmas day
22:00:06 <oklopol> i tried to choose a random moment close to the average of the two
22:01:10 <oklopol> oerjan: do those countries you linked celebrate something near His Mass though?
22:01:33 <oklopol> i guess if some work through it then no
22:02:03 <oerjan> well the ones colored lighter supposedly had some celebrations, just not official iirc?
22:02:58 <oerjan> also taiwan and pakistan accidentally have other celebrations on the same day.
22:03:48 <oklopol> well a priori i'm inclined to think it's not completely accidental
22:04:17 <oerjan> did you even read the description.
22:04:23 <oklopol> because aren't things like hanukkah and all sorts of other stuff also nearby, people celebrate the same day and eventually come up with different reasons
22:04:34 <oklopol> the a priori is because i have no idea what you are talking about
22:04:53 <Bike> it's not like hanukkah is about presents and trees. it's just that consumerism is all consuming
22:05:46 <oerjan> oklopol: taiwan celebrates its constitution day, pakistan the birthday of their (non-religious) founder
22:06:06 <oklopol> those _might_ be coincidental
22:07:35 <oklopol> hanukkah is, if i understood correctly, about the end of some invasion or something
22:07:53 <kmc> wasn't hanukkah a pretty obscure third-tier holiday before american jews started emphasizing it to participate in the ~~holiday season~~~
22:08:31 <oklopol> that would fit my "all holidays are actually christmass" theory nicely
22:08:46 <kmc> all holidays are actually roman solstice holiday
22:09:24 <Bike> happy saturnalia everyone, here is your lube and torch
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22:23:23 <Sgeo> (>>= repeat) == cycle?
22:53:53 <oerjan> > (repeat () >>) "test"
22:53:54 <lambdabot> "testtesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttes...
22:54:48 <oerjan> > (join . repeat) "test"
22:54:49 <lambdabot> "testtesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttesttes...
22:55:08 <Bike> well i'm convinced
22:55:48 <kmc> :t (>>= repeat)
22:56:02 <oerjan> > (>>= repeat) "test" -- just to make it clear
22:56:03 <lambdabot> "ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt...
22:56:28 <Bike> it's an ininite number of t's followed by an infinite number of e's, etc, right?
22:57:04 <oerjan> sadly haskell lists do not go beyond omega index.
22:57:58 <kmc> I think there is a datatype for transfinite ordinals somewhere on hackage
22:58:30 <oerjan> i'm not sure you could make a working monad instance for ordinal-indexed lists, though.
22:59:13 <Bike> i'm talking "''conceptually»»
22:59:15 <kmc> ("but what about cisfinite ordinals")
22:59:45 <oerjan> because you'd have to do infinite computation to work out which ordinal a part of the result ends up in
22:59:50 <Bike> die cis scum *shoots 7 in the face*
23:00:06 <kmc> well, 7 8 9
23:00:10 <kmc> so I think he had it coming
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23:01:31 <Bike> what interpretation of quantum mechanics did schrödinger go for, since he wasn't a copenhagen kinda guy
23:02:53 <oerjan> hm reminds me of that relevant shtetl-optimized thread i should check for new comments
23:03:23 <oerjan> (http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1622)
23:04:50 <oerjan> 'But on the other hand, Einstein and Schrödinger were clearer in realizing that you couldn’t restrict QM to “microscopic phenomena” only using nothing but mountains of verbiage about complementarity—that once you adopted QM consistently, there would be no inherent limit to the size or spatial range of superpositions.'
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23:07:18 <Bike> so you're saying he was basically deepack chopra
23:07:52 <oerjan> (it doesn't answer the question properly though)
23:09:16 <oerjan> "Bohr and Heisenberg both had the properties of [...] (4) generally, being a lot more ponderous and obscure than not only their successors, but even contemporaries like Schrödinger and Dirac."
23:09:18 <Bike> he wrote a book called "The Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics". maybe it's relevant??
23:09:45 <oerjan> so he wasn't the worst, back then
23:10:09 <Bike> the worst of what
23:10:25 <oerjan> well the most deepak chopraish
23:11:25 * oerjan maybe should note he doesn't know much about this beyond what's in that blog thread
23:12:21 <Bike> well, i gues What Is Life was kind of wack.
23:12:32 <Bike> lol physicists.
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