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00:19:56 <Phantom_Hoover> Taneb, i know a guy who says he made one out of lego
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00:24:30 <FreeFull> ion: Dreamweaver does that with .cs files
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00:34:36 <oerjan> hap-pi day
00:45:37 <boily> joyeux a-pi-versaire!
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01:20:01 * oerjan staws Effilry -#--##--
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01:31:48 <boily> oerjan: staws? is that like a Norwegian Mapole?
01:33:25 <oerjan> no, that would be stav
01:34:05 * boily is confused
01:34:43 <shachaf> what sort of bizarre rettaws is that
01:35:17 <oerjan> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stav#Swedish in lack of a norwegian version
01:35:46 <oerjan> you might note that Effilry is isomorphic to FireFly hth
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01:39:29 * boily is suddenlilluminated
01:39:50 <boily> (or is it suddenlightened?)
01:40:07 <boily> shachaf: thachaf.
01:40:26 <shachaf> oerjan: i didn't look at it long enough to see that it wasn't just reversed
01:40:48 <shachaf> it would only have taken one letter to see that
01:41:03 <shachaf> almost any letter would have worked
01:41:20 <boily> but still. it's a very weird rettaws, much like a klingon weapon.
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02:24:31 <kmc> i wonder if there are compilers that will take state machine code like while(1) { switch (state) { ... } } and allocate 'state' in the instruction pointer register, so to speak
02:24:57 <kmc> that is, turn the assignments to 'state' into jumps
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02:51:07 <kmc> print!(" \x1b[36m{:s}\x1b[0m='\x1b[34m{:s}\x1b[0m'", attr.name, attr.value);
02:52:04 <kmc> there are a lot of different languages packed into that one line of code
02:58:31 <Bike> today i tried to invoke a shell on windows through matlab and i think it gave me VT100 control codes
02:58:34 <Bike> a disheartening experience
02:58:44 <Bike> that looked a lot like that string >_>
02:58:57 <kmc> yes
02:59:04 <kmc> those are VT100 control codes, or ECMA-48 codes anyway
02:59:12 <kmc> I don't remember if the actual VT100 had color, probably not
02:59:37 <Bike> oh. lol i was just shallowly seeing unclosed square brackets
03:00:03 <kmc> it's a good tip-off
03:01:03 <pikhq> ECMA-48 apparently predates the VT100.
03:01:12 <kmc> but not the latest edition, which is from 1991
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03:01:46 <pikhq> Ah sweet, I found the VT100 manual.
03:01:46 <kmc> god bless you ECMA, for making your standards free online and not trying to wring me for every last CHF like those ISO bastards
03:01:57 <kmc> SIPB owns an actual VT100, or is it a VT220
03:02:08 <kmc> they had it hooked up to a Raspberry Pi, which fit easily within the case
03:02:10 <kmc> it was cute
03:02:37 <kmc> Bike: the two-byte sequenc \x1b [ (i.e. ESCAPE [, i.e. ^[ [) is the Control Sequence Introducer, which begins many of the most important commands
03:02:47 <Bike> ohhh
03:02:53 <Bike> i think it printed as like... ~V[ or something
03:03:29 <pikhq> It seems that it did not *support* color, but the VT100 ignores unknown character attributes.
03:03:35 <Bike> in the end i figured out i could in fact invoke programs directly and just did that and everything went away. huzzah.
03:03:46 <kmc> or rather, it's the 7-bit ASCII representation of CSI. you can also use the character 'CONTROL SEQUENCE INTRODUCER' (U+009B) from the ISO 2022's C1 control code section
03:03:51 <kmc> but mostly people don't
03:03:58 <pikhq> So on a VT100 you don't get color *display*, but the color codes work just fine.
03:04:02 <pikhq> (i.e. "do nothing")
03:04:24 <kmc> presumably on a UTF-8 terminal you would have to write 0xC2 0x9B anyway...
03:05:51 <pikhq> Thankfully all the character attributes are parameters to \
03:06:03 <pikhq> the "m" sequence.
03:06:18 <pikhq> Which means that it's actually quite simple for a terminal to no-op support the colors.
03:06:25 <pikhq> And apparently the VT100 did just that.
03:06:26 <Bike> oh as long as i'm complaining i found out that cmd.exe is pretty much terrible
03:06:28 <pikhq> Which is awesome.
03:06:43 <kmc> Bike: yes. you want a better shell (like MSYS bash) and a better terminal emulator (like Mintty)
03:06:58 <Bike> i invoked a program by quoting the path and it reported the program as having the quote character in it
03:07:25 <Bike> bash i have, but not a better tty. hoooopefully i won't be using shell enough to want that, but
03:07:27 <kmc> pikhq: I think it's odd that the character telling you what the command is comes at the end, but I suppose it makes sense in an implementation where you're storing to registers as arguments come in, and then you execute
03:07:33 <kmc> which might be how the hardware worked
03:07:36 <pikhq> Probably.
03:07:51 <Bike> of course, msys doesn't have man pages :( oh well
03:09:09 <Bike> also: does anyone know what the hell git rev-parse is
03:10:08 <Bike> "A similar notation r1...r2 is called symmetric difference of r1 and r2 and is defined as r1 r2 --not $(git merge-base --all r1 r2). " pretty sure i'm out of my league here
03:10:47 <Bike> "Note that .. would mean HEAD..HEAD which is an empty range that is both reachable and unreachable from HEAD."
03:10:49 <kmc> Bike: it describes the syntax you can use to name git objects, mainly commits
03:11:15 <kmc> the actual rev-parse command is meant for use from scripts
03:11:26 <kmc> but many of the user-facing commands accept the same syntax
03:11:33 <Bike> getting the last commit object was both easier (since it's just "git rev-parse HEAD") and harder (since i have no idea wtf) than i thought it would be
03:11:37 <kmc> (because they are shell scripts that invoke rev-parse, or they used to be)
03:13:58 <Bike> maybe someday i will have a job where i have to learn git because everyone else uses it instead of just me
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05:32:17 <limitless23> hello
05:35:30 <kmc> `relcome limitless23
05:35:32 <HackEgo> limitless23: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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06:02:36 <Sgeo_> > let welcome = "Hi" in welcome
06:02:36 <idris-ircslave> "Hi" : String
06:02:37 <lambdabot> "Hi"
06:03:03 <Sgeo_> I'm sure there's some way to make idris-ircslave be more colorful
06:03:59 <Sgeo_> > the (t : Type ** t) (String ** "Hello")
06:03:59 <idris-ircslave> (String ** "Hello") : (t ** t)
06:04:01 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `the'Not in scope: data constructor `Type'Not in scope: data c...
06:07:22 <Sgeo_> > the (t1 ** t1) ((t3 ** t3) ** (the (t2 ** t2) (String ** "Hello")))
06:07:23 <idris-ircslave> ((t3 ** t3) ** (String ** "Hello")) : (t1 ** t1)
06:07:24 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `the'Not in scope: `t1'
06:07:24 <lambdabot> Perhaps you meant one of these:
06:07:24 <lambdabot> `t' (imported from Debug.SimpleReflect),
06:07:24 <lambdabot> `to' (imported from Control.Lens),
06:07:24 <lambdabot> `_1' (imported from Control.Lens)Not in scope: `t1'
06:08:13 <kmc> I really like that both bots respond
06:08:27 <kmc> also I wish lambdabot would come back to ##crypto
06:08:58 <Sgeo_> I can add a spalsh of green
06:09:00 <Sgeo_> > :t the (t1 ** t1) ((t3 ** t3) ** (the (t2 ** t2) (String ** "Hello")))
06:09:00 <idris-ircslave> the (t1 ** t1) ((t3 ** t3) ** the (t2 ** t2) (String ** "Hello")) : (t1 ** t1)
06:09:02 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: parse error on input `:'
06:09:37 <Sgeo_> Melvar: What colors am I missing?
06:10:09 <kmc> is ** a tuple constructor?
06:10:16 <Sgeo_> It's a dependent pair constructor
06:10:26 <Sgeo_> Well, not an actual constructor, it's syntax sugar
06:10:36 <Sgeo_> > :t Exists
06:10:36 <idris-ircslave> Exists : (a : Type) -> (a -> Type) -> Type
06:10:37 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: parse error on input `:'
06:10:42 <Sgeo_> > :t Ex_intro
06:10:43 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: parse error on input `:'
06:10:43 <idris-ircslave> Ex_intro : (x : a) -> (P x) -> Exists a P
06:11:10 <Sgeo_> The typical example is
06:11:49 <Sgeo_> > the (n : Nat ** Vect n String) (5, ["a", "b", "c", "d", "e"])
06:11:49 <idris-ircslave> Can't unify
06:11:50 <idris-ircslave> (A, B)
06:11:50 <idris-ircslave> with
06:11:50 <idris-ircslave> (n ** Vect n String)
06:11:50 <idris-ircslave> Specifically:↵…
06:11:50 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `the'Not in scope: data constructor `Nat'Not in scope: data co...
06:12:05 <Sgeo_> > the (n : Nat ** Vect n String) (5 ** ["a", "b", "c", "d", "e"])
06:12:05 <idris-ircslave> (5 ** ["a", "b", "c", "d", "e"]) : (n ** Vect n String)
06:12:06 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `the'Not in scope: data constructor `Nat'Not in scope: data co...
06:12:46 <Sgeo_> I don't fully understand the implications of when this is useful, but apparently filtering vects returns a dependent tuple instead of just a resulting vector
06:13:10 <Sgeo_> I guess when you want a component of the type to be readable at runtime?
06:15:22 <shachaf> i ascended nethack today
06:15:25 <shachaf> why did i even play
06:15:42 <kmc> and what's "the"?
06:15:46 <shachaf> i've played three games over the past few days. i think i haven't played any others in over a year
06:15:52 <Sgeo_> https://github.com/idris-lang/Idris-dev/blob/master/libs/prelude/Prelude/Vect.idr#L285
06:15:55 <shachaf> the is like id with an explicit type argument
06:15:59 <kmc> ok
06:16:01 <shachaf> it's used kind of like :: in haskell
06:16:13 <shachaf> the : (a : Type) -> a -> a
06:16:17 <shachaf> the Int 5
06:16:32 <kmc> yeah
06:17:00 <Sgeo_> I saw someone use the infix earlier. Int `the` 5 kind of reads backwards
06:18:00 <kmc> (p ** Vect p a) gets inferred to (p : Nat ** Vect p a) ?
06:18:23 <Sgeo_> I believe so
06:20:50 <Sgeo_> Hmm, I don't see examples in the Vect prelude lib, but... maybe you could pattern match on the first part of it to know what you can do with the second?
06:21:18 <kmc> makes sense
06:21:34 <fizzie> Conan `the` "Barbarian"
06:22:05 <kmc> one thing I find hard about dependent language syntax is that there's usually a way to leave off either side of (x : t) and it's hard to keep them straight even if I theoreticall understand what's going on
06:26:43 <kmc> "Hello Sir/Madam, I'm Thomas Clark and I'll like to purchase Propane"
06:26:56 <kmc> i get some weird spam
06:27:39 <Bike> hello kmc, i would like to purchase n-decane to go with my chain link fences,
06:29:26 * Sgeo_ wants antipane
06:30:03 <fizzie> I got spam for Computeroxy -- "an academic website exclusively dedicated to academic careers in schools of electrical and electronic engineering and computer science in Europe, Oceania and the Middle East" -- the other day.
06:30:17 <fizzie> "I found this academic website interesting and I think you would enjoy it too."
06:30:54 <fizzie> Yeah, I'm sure you thought about me personally, "Mark, Lecturer in Computer Science", the guy sending mail to "undisclosed-recipients:;".
06:34:58 <Sgeo_> "This product is property of Lenovo and may not be distributed outside Lenovo"
06:35:12 <Sgeo_> Came with my Lenovo laptop
06:36:41 <kmc> haha
06:36:43 <kmc> what is it?
06:36:49 <kmc> the product i mean
06:37:56 <Sgeo_> Some VBScript to... do something
06:38:12 <Sgeo_> Not entirely sure what. Something to do with setting up a user guide on Metro, I think
06:38:23 <Sgeo_> "Installing user guide for Support Metro app on Windows 8"
06:43:15 * Sgeo_ 's brain breaks a bit
06:43:16 <Sgeo_> > let f = (\x => if x == "a" then String else Int) in the (a : String ** f a) ("a" ** "foo")
06:43:16 <idris-ircslave> ("a" ** "foo") : (a ** boolElim (intToBool (prim__eqString a "a")) (Delay String) (Delay Int))
06:43:17 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:13: parse error on input `=>'
06:45:15 <Sgeo_> > let f = (\x => if x == "a" then String else Int) in the (a : String ** f a) ("a" ** 5)
06:45:15 <idris-ircslave> Can't resolve type class Num (boolElim (intToBool (prim__eqString "a" "a")) (Delay String) (Delay Int))
06:45:16 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:13: parse error on input `=>'
06:45:33 <Sgeo_> > let f = (\x => if x == "a" then String else Int) in the (a : String ** f a) ("b" ** 5)
06:45:33 <idris-ircslave> ("b" ** 5) : (a ** boolElim (intToBool (prim__eqString a "a")) (Delay String) (Delay Int))
06:45:34 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:13: parse error on input `=>'
06:45:42 <Sgeo_> > let f = (\x => if x == "a" then String else Int) in the (a : String ** f a) ("b" ** "5")
06:45:43 <idris-ircslave> Can't unify
06:45:43 <idris-ircslave> String
06:45:43 <idris-ircslave> with
06:45:43 <idris-ircslave> (\a => boolElim (intToBool (prim__eqString a "a")) (Delay String) (Delay Int)) "b"
06:45:43 <idris-ircslave> Specifically:↵…
06:45:43 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:13: parse error on input `=>'
06:45:46 * Sgeo_ stops
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06:46:06 <Sgeo_> Slereahphone: you just missed the fun
06:54:35 <kmc> we put the fun in dependently-typed functional programming
06:56:47 <Slereahphone> It can't be that fun because
06:56:55 <Slereahphone> I don't know what it means
07:01:18 <luserdroog> translated the Lukasiewicz logic interpreter to C. https://gist.github.com/luser-dr00g/9542998
07:02:24 <Sgeo_> > the Type Type
07:02:24 <idris-ircslave> Type : Type
07:02:25 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `the'Not in scope: data constructor `Type'Not in scope: data c...
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07:21:06 <fizzie> Is the type type the typest of the types?
07:21:58 <Sgeo_> Idris has a cumulative universe thingy and then hides it
07:22:28 <Sgeo_> So the type of Type is Type 1, the type of Type 1 is Type 2... but Type is also a Type 2, and small types are also Type 2s, and Type 3s, and Type 4s
07:22:40 <Sgeo_> And somehow this lets Idris hide the entire hierarchy from the user
07:23:12 <Sgeo_> So I guess Type becomes whatever Type in the hierarchy is needed in context
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07:24:39 <Bike> > the (Type 17) Type
07:24:39 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:11:Type does not have a function type (Type)
07:24:40 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `the'Not in scope: data constructor `Type'Not in scope: data c...
07:24:48 <Bike> well what's the point then!!
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07:28:12 <Sgeo_> You can't actually write Type 1
07:28:13 <Sgeo_> etc.
07:28:28 <Sgeo_> The only place it's ever visible, as far as I understand, is
07:28:31 <Sgeo_> > :t Type
07:28:32 <idris-ircslave> Type : Type 1
07:28:32 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: parse error on input `:'
07:28:49 <Bike> well what if i want to talk about specifically the type of Int or w/e
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07:30:23 <Sgeo_> Good question. Not sure you can
07:31:25 <Bike> > :t Int
07:31:25 <idris-ircslave> Int : Type
07:31:26 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: parse error on input `:'
07:35:57 <Sgeo_> help
07:36:04 <Sgeo_> trackpad acting up
07:36:52 <Sgeo_> Fixed
07:36:56 <Sgeo_> Thanks to a mouse
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08:40:04 <Slereahphone_> What's the size of a tab in console mode
08:40:21 <Slereahphone_> In character spaces
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09:04:15 <FireFly> up to the next tabstop, as defined by tabs(1)
09:04:23 <FireFly> defaults to every eighth column
09:04:35 <FireFly> if by console mode you mean in a terminal emulator
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09:24:16 <Jafet> What about apathy mode
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11:11:38 <Melvar> Sgeo_, Bike: Use ( as a prefix in here so it doesn’t clash with lambdabot.
11:13:02 <Jafet> “In September 1943, Iran declared war on Germany, thus qualifying for membership in the United Nations.”
11:15:00 <Melvar> Sgeo_, Bike: The way the Type hierarchy works is that it builds up a digraph of universe ordering, and checks at the end that it’s consistent (i.e. cycle-free), IIUC.
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12:16:31 <Taneb> > 47/15
12:16:31 <idris-ircslave> 3.1333333333333333 : Float
12:16:32 <lambdabot> 3.1333333333333333
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13:00:45 <quintopia> help my googlebubble thinks i want hockey scores
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13:04:23 <oerjan> quintopia: i'm sorry you're on thin ice there
13:05:04 <quintopia> ug
13:05:17 <quintopia> hand me your frying pan please
13:05:57 <oerjan> managed to edit haskellwiki this time. turns out their fancy layout doesn't work with a non-full-screen browser.
13:06:18 <oerjan> since when do i have a frying pan
13:06:24 <quintopia> sounds compatible
13:07:06 <Melvar> Fullscreen? Not just requiring a certain window size?
13:07:07 <oerjan> as in, the edit form got hid under some of the other stuff until i maximized
13:07:54 <oerjan> Melvar: well it doesn't work with my _usual_ window size, which is a little less than full screen because i like to be able to glimpse what's happening in irc.
13:08:20 * Melvar has two monitors for that purpose.
13:09:17 <oerjan> well this is a laptop, on my lap.
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13:09:37 <oerjan> i don't think you usually have a two-monitor laptop setup.
13:09:40 * Melvar nods.
13:10:23 <oerjan> (technically it cannot be a laptop because the manual warns against burns if you put it on your lap. hasn't been a problem though, it's cooler than my previous one.)
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13:12:00 <elliott_> I thought infertility was the usual risk.
13:12:18 <oerjan> oh. well i have no plans to breed.
13:12:35 <Melvar> I’m pretty sure that’s just temporary though.
13:12:40 <oerjan> (i actively dislike babies anyway)
13:12:52 <Jafet> http://mashable.com/category/dual-screen-laptop
13:13:10 <oerjan> Melvar: i'm 43, how long is temporary?
13:13:33 <oerjan> oh you mean the infertility.
13:13:53 <Melvar> I meant the infertility, yes.
13:14:06 <oerjan> good, good
13:14:48 <Taneb> oerjan, you mean there's never going to be any wild oerjanlings?
13:15:05 <oerjan> Taneb: quite unlikely.
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13:32:50 <oerjan> fungot: be careful, someone is picking off bots again
13:32:50 <fungot> oerjan: " and the creator of of yours, you would let the woman with years of combat, probably against a paladin" miko, i have my eye!
13:37:16 <Taneb> I ought to get dressed at some point
13:37:36 <oerjan> you know, _someone_ could have told Sgeo idris-ircslave now supports the ( prefix.
13:38:14 <oerjan> @tell Sgeo please use idris-ircslave's new ( prefix hth
13:38:14 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
13:38:34 <oerjan> @tell Sgeo_ please use idris-ircslave's new ( prefix hth
13:38:35 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
13:40:45 * oerjan barely resisted adding "OR DIE" in there.
13:41:10 <Taneb> Is there a nice way to compute the Thue-Morse sequence on a Turing machine
13:41:27 <Taneb> (I'm so glad this channel exists so I can ask questions like that)
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13:41:56 <oerjan> well depends what you mean, since turing machines technically have finite output if they ever halt
13:42:34 <oerjan> you could certainly manage to fill up the tape with it without halting.
13:43:01 <Taneb> oerjan, I would like to continuously write the Thue-Morse sequence to the tape
13:44:18 <oerjan> four cell values, call them 0,1,A,B
13:45:03 <oerjan> start by putting 0B on the tape, position yourself just after the B
13:46:07 <oerjan> (1) seek left to a 0 or 1. go one step right.
13:46:53 <oerjan> (2) turn the A or B that is there into 0 or 1, respectively. remember what it was. seek till end of tape.
13:47:25 <oerjan> (3A) put AB on end of tape, go to 1
13:47:37 <oerjan> (3B) put BA on end of tape, go to 1
13:47:46 <oerjan> Taneb: simple enough?
13:48:41 <Taneb> Yes
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13:49:00 <Taneb> Thank you
13:50:59 <oerjan> you're welcome
13:54:02 <oerjan> small adjustment, the "position yourself just after the B" could more efficiently be on the 0.
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14:58:29 <fizzie> oerjan: Do they sell two-monitor laptops for people with two heads?
14:58:50 <fizzie> Oh, I see Jafet already answered that.
14:59:23 <oerjan> ooh i missed that
14:59:46 <fizzie> Well, it doesn't exactly mention two-headed people.
14:59:55 <fizzie> But I'm sure it's implied.
15:00:16 <Jafet> I imagine those laptops are marketed beyond the very limited dicephalic demographic.
15:00:22 <oerjan> the top picture seems broken
15:02:02 <int-e> fizzie: the Beeblebrox market segment is a bit small, methinks.
15:02:07 <oerjan> i think google mustn't have quite the right picture of me, it's showing me an ad for farming equipment.
15:02:57 * int-e is late and redundant, as usual. *sigh*
15:03:16 <oerjan> int-e: well it's easy to be redundant when you have two heads
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16:42:53 <Bike> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/mar/14/mtgox-knowingly-traded-non-existent-bitcoins-for-two-weeks-filing-shows ha ha
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18:38:24 <luserdroog> For the dual-screen laptop, it would be nice to reduce the width of the framing down the middle.
18:51:04 <kmc> Lenovo sold a W-series ThinkPad with a second smaller screen that pops out the side of the first one
18:51:22 <kmc> it also had a Wacom drawing tablet in the wrist rest, as well as a color calibration sensor for the main screen
18:57:23 <olsner> sounds nice, but slightly crazy
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22:14:18 <boily> `relcome von_cheam
22:14:37 <boily> Gregor: the gregorbots, they are dead.
22:17:00 <FireFly> fungot: staying alive?
22:17:00 <fungot> FireFly: it's the crown, lass, no sense being angry about it now, and he was in the army, too true, and v's still there now and you can.
22:17:08 <FireFly> dubious.
22:17:50 <boily> FireFly: you're a lass?
22:19:40 <oerjan> alas, no answer
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22:20:45 <boily> gørjand kveld.
22:20:56 <FireFly> I don't think so
22:20:59 <FireFly> No last I checked, anyway
22:21:12 <boily> oerjan: he didn't answer while he was having instant surgery.
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22:21:36 <oerjan> boily: fiendish
22:21:56 <boily> goedenavnooodln.
22:22:13 <oerjan> boilyn soir
22:22:55 <oerjan> *boilynsoir
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22:26:23 <boily> oerjan: today, I read an old blog post showing how to implement monads in Java. it wasn't pretty.
22:30:33 <fizzie> boily: Was it http://logicaltypes.blogspot.fi/2011/09/monads-in-java.html ?
22:31:44 <boily> fizzie: it was.
22:31:56 <fizzie> I think that was discussed either here or nearby.
22:32:21 <boily> are you implying that there are circumesöteric channels?
22:33:07 <fizzie> I can only find the "Monads in plain JavaScript" post by gwepping.
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22:41:57 <oerjan> pretty sure #haskell is a circumesöteric channel, in any case
22:44:34 <fizzie> The evidence for that is circumstantial.
22:45:06 <oerjan> that's just circumventing the facts
22:50:06 <olsner> aren't you guys just circumnavigating the topic now?
22:53:12 <olsner> hmm, throws Failure ... is that the Java-monad counterpart of fail?
22:59:22 <fizzie> I can't really be bothered to read through it all -- was the Java monad the one where you can't have "Just null", or am I thinking of something else?
23:00:44 <quintopia> helloily
23:07:51 <boily> quinthellopia!
23:09:12 <boily> (meanwhile, duck tape with penguins on it? → https://tw-projects.s3.amazonaws.com/twduckbrand/prod/images/products/penguin-duct-tape.jpg)
23:09:47 <boily> fizzie: I haven't read through it all, but I wouldn't be surprised. Java nulls are very thoroughly pernicious.
23:10:16 <quintopia> there is every kind of duct tape
23:10:37 <quintopia> i went to buy plain old duct tape at walmart once and could only find spongebob, hello kitty, and bacon
23:10:40 <quintopia> i went with bacon
23:10:54 <boily> nooooo! why didn't you choose the hello kitty one?
23:11:58 <boily> I like my duck tape gray. same thing with my coffee: black.
23:12:06 <boily> (and my bagels: poppyseed.)
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23:14:42 <Sgeo> > "please don't kill me oerjan"
23:14:43 <lambdabot> "please don't kill me oerjan"
23:14:44 <idris-ircslave> "please don't kill me oerjan" : String
23:15:37 <boily> ooooooooh...
23:15:48 * boily is all sparkly-anime-eyes
23:17:40 <boily> ~eval "please don't kill me either twh"
23:17:40 <metasepia> Error (127):
23:17:50 <boily> ...
23:18:18 <Sgeo> @messages-public
23:18:18 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
23:18:22 <Sgeo> @messages-loud
23:18:22 <lambdabot> oerjan said 9h 40m 7s ago: please use idris-ircslave's new ( prefix hth
23:18:27 <Sgeo> ( 1 + 1
23:18:27 <idris-ircslave> 2 : Integer
23:18:35 <Sgeo> ( Integer + Integer
23:18:35 <idris-ircslave> Can't resolve type class Num Type
23:18:54 <Sgeo> ( S -1
23:18:54 <idris-ircslave> Can't resolve type class Num (Nat -> Nat)
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23:19:02 <Sgeo> ( S (-1)
23:19:02 <idris-ircslave> 1 : Nat
23:19:08 <Sgeo> uh
23:19:12 <lexande> o_0
23:19:27 <Sgeo> > the Nat (-10)
23:19:27 <idris-ircslave> 0 : Nat
23:19:28 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `the'Not in scope: data constructor `Nat'
23:19:31 <Sgeo> oops
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23:20:25 <quintopia> boily: i prefer black heavy duty duct tape
23:21:06 <oerjan> ( the Nat (2-3)
23:21:06 <idris-ircslave> 0 : Nat
23:21:14 <boily> quintopia: what kind of tape is that? the only two kind of black heavy duty tape I know about are «tape électrique» and that textured one you put on hockey sticks.
23:21:17 <oerjan> ( the Int (2-3)
23:21:17 <idris-ircslave> -1 : Int
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23:21:31 <oerjan> ( the Int 99999999999999999999999999999999999
23:21:31 <idris-ircslave> 3136633892082024447 : Int
23:21:32 <boily> (yes. we call it «tape» in French.)
23:21:46 <quintopia> boily: it's like duct tape, but black rather than silver, and thicker and tougher and harder to tear
23:21:55 <oerjan> boily: we call it "teip" in norwegian hth
23:22:13 <Sgeo> Wonder if this could be used to prove 0=1
23:22:25 <boily> quintopia: hmm... my curiosity is titillated.
23:22:37 <boily> oerjan: makes sense.
23:22:42 <Sgeo> Maybe not, once you have a Nat you always have something 0 or greater
23:22:46 <oerjan> Sgeo: you realize that this is just how subtraction is defined on Nats, no?
23:22:55 <Sgeo> What you do before it may be irrelev... o.O
23:22:58 <quintopia> Sgeo: uh...no. in practice, it's illegal to do 2-3 in the naturals
23:23:01 <Sgeo> I thought Idris was in the wrong
23:23:20 <boily> > log 3136633892082024447 / log 2
23:23:20 <idris-ircslave> 61.44392285561078 : Float
23:23:21 <lambdabot> 61.44392285561078
23:23:31 <elliott_> Sgeo: no because the proof would rely on the definition of -
23:23:51 <boily> ~duck 3136633892082024447
23:23:51 <metasepia> 3136633892082024447
23:25:03 <quintopia> boily: http://m.shoplet.com/Duck-Heavy-Duty-Duct-Tape/DUCCD3BLACK/
23:25:49 <oerjan> @run 99999999999999999999999999999999999 :: Int64
23:25:50 <lambdabot> 3136633892082024447
23:26:08 <oerjan> it's just mod 2^64
23:26:23 <Sgeo> I can't write a useful {n : Nat} -> Vect n a -> Nat, can I?
23:26:54 <Sgeo> Or.. something like that, to determine the size of a Vect whose size is unknown at compile-time?
23:27:32 <oerjan> ( :t Vect
23:27:32 <idris-ircslave> Prelude.Vect.Vect : Nat -> Type -> Type
23:27:56 <oerjan> ( :t Vect 2
23:27:56 <idris-ircslave> Vect (fromInteger 2) : Type -> Type
23:28:14 <oerjan> ( :t Vect 2 Bool
23:28:14 <idris-ircslave> Vect (fromInteger 2) Bool : Type
23:28:19 <oerjan> ( Vect 2 Bool
23:28:19 <idris-ircslave> Vect 2 Bool : Type
23:28:43 <boily> quintopia: the link, it doesn't work.
23:28:57 <boily> oerjan: meh :/
23:29:08 <Sgeo> I assume that doing that (wanting the size that's known only at runtime) is why dependent pairs exist?
23:29:17 <quintopia> boily: i cut a bunch of stuff off the end of it. try cutting more stuff off
23:29:40 <Sgeo> ( the (Vect n a) [1,2,3]
23:29:41 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:11:No such variable n
23:29:51 <Sgeo> ( the (Vect _ _) [1,2,3]
23:29:51 <idris-ircslave> [1, 2, 3] : Vect 3 Integer
23:30:11 <oerjan> ( the Integer 99999999999999999999999999999999999
23:30:13 <idris-ircslave> 99999999999999999999999999999999999 : Integer
23:30:24 <Sgeo> ( the (_ ** (Vect _ _)) [1,2,3]
23:30:25 <idris-ircslave> Can't unify
23:30:25 <idris-ircslave> Vect (S n) a
23:30:25 <idris-ircslave> with
23:30:25 <idris-ircslave> (x ** Vect __pi_arg __pi_arg1)
23:30:25 <idris-ircslave> Specifically:↵…
23:30:37 <Sgeo> ( the (_ ** (Vect _ _)) (_ ** [1,2,3])
23:30:38 <idris-ircslave> Can't unify
23:30:38 <idris-ircslave> Exists a P
23:30:38 <idris-ircslave> with
23:30:38 <idris-ircslave> (x ** Vect __pi_arg __pi_arg1)
23:30:38 <idris-ircslave> Specifically:↵…
23:30:52 <Sgeo> ( the (n ** (Vect n _)) (_ ** [1,2,3])
23:30:52 <idris-ircslave> Can't disambiguate name: Data.HVect.::, Prelude.List.::, Data.Vect.Quantifiers.::, Prelude.Stream.::, Prelude.Vect.::
23:31:13 <Sgeo> ( the (n ** (Vect n _)) (_ ** with Vect [1,2,3])
23:31:13 <idris-ircslave> Can't unify
23:31:13 <idris-ircslave> Vect 3 Integer
23:31:13 <idris-ircslave> with
23:31:13 <idris-ircslave> (\n => Vect n [__]) x
23:31:13 <idris-ircslave> Specifically:↵…
23:31:45 <boily> quintopia: it still doesn't work. I am saddened :(
23:31:50 <Sgeo> ( the (n ** Vect n String) (_ ** ["1", "2", "3"])
23:31:50 <idris-ircslave> (3 ** ["1", "2", "3"]) : (n ** Vect n String)
23:33:04 <oerjan> huh
23:33:35 <Sgeo> oerjan: (t ** t)s are useless, right? Or are they not useless somehow
23:34:02 <oerjan> how do you find the first element of a **
23:34:17 <FreeFull> Sgeo: A value whose type is dependent on itself?
23:34:53 <FreeFull> > fst (3 ** [1,2,3])
23:34:53 <idris-ircslave> Can't unify
23:34:53 <idris-ircslave> Exists a P
23:34:53 <idris-ircslave> with
23:34:53 <idris-ircslave> (iType, t)
23:34:53 <idris-ircslave> Specifically:↵…
23:34:54 <lambdabot> Couldn't match expected type `(a0, b0)' with actual type `[t0]'
23:35:07 <FreeFull> > head (3 ** [1,2,3])
23:35:08 <idris-ircslave> Can't unify
23:35:08 <idris-ircslave> Exists a P
23:35:08 <idris-ircslave> with
23:35:08 <idris-ircslave> Vect (S n) iType
23:35:08 <idris-ircslave> Specifically:↵…
23:35:08 <lambdabot> No instance for (GHC.Show.Show a0)
23:35:09 <lambdabot> arising from a use of `M707592794521593570827224.show_M7075927945215935708...
23:35:09 <lambdabot> The type variable `a0' is ambiguous
23:35:09 <lambdabot> Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s)
23:35:09 <lambdabot> Note: there are several potential instances:
23:35:20 <oerjan> ( (\v -> let (n ** _) = the (m ** Vect m _) (_ ** v) in n) [1,2,3]
23:35:21 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:58:No such variable \
23:35:21 <FreeFull> Oh, lambdabot + idris-ircslave
23:35:33 <oerjan> oops how do lambdas work
23:35:54 <oerjan> ( sin
23:35:54 <idris-ircslave> sin : Float -> Float
23:36:03 <FreeFull> oerjan: => rather than ->
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23:36:11 <oerjan> ( (\v => let (n ** _) = the (m ** Vect m _) (_ ** v) in n) [1,2,3]
23:36:14 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:58:Can't disambiguate name: Data.HVect.::, Prelude.List.::, Data.Vect.Quantifiers.::, Prelude.Stream.::, Prelude.Vect.::
23:36:26 <oerjan> oops
23:36:40 <FreeFull> Why ( and not )?
23:36:41 <oerjan> ( (\(v : Vect _ _) => let (n ** _) = the (m ** Vect m _) (_ ** v) in n) [1,2,3]
23:36:42 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:3: error: expected: lambda expression
23:36:42 <idris-ircslave> (\(v : Vect _ _) => let (n ** _) = the (m ** Vect m _) (_ ** v) in n) [1,2,3]<>
23:36:42 <idris-ircslave> ^
23:36:44 <FreeFull> ) 3
23:36:45 <jconn> FreeFull: 3
23:36:48 <FreeFull> A
23:36:59 <FreeFull> } 3
23:37:01 <oerjan> ok i'm clearly not understanding this
23:37:05 <FreeFull> } is free
23:37:24 <oerjan> ^prefixes
23:37:24 <fungot> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-ircslave ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
23:37:35 <oerjan> FreeFull: because that is finally now matchin hth
23:37:40 <oerjan> *+g
23:38:00 <FreeFull> ( is a weird prefix though
23:38:00 <idris-ircslave> No such variable is
23:38:08 <FreeFull> ( exists
23:38:10 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:1:No such variable exists
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23:38:38 <Sgeo_> ( Exists
23:38:39 <idris-ircslave> Exists : (a : Type) -> (a -> Type) -> Type
23:38:50 <Sgeo_> ( Ex_intro
23:38:50 <idris-ircslave> (input):0:0:Incomplete term Ex_intro
23:38:57 <Sgeo_> ( :t Ex_intro
23:38:57 <idris-ircslave> Ex_intro : (x : a) -> (P x) -> Exists a P
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23:40:12 <Sgeo_> ( let data Foo = Bar | Baz in Foo
23:40:13 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:5: error: expected: expression
23:40:13 <idris-ircslave> let data Foo = Bar | Baz in Foo<EOF>
23:40:13 <idris-ircslave> ^
23:40:19 <Sgeo_> aww
23:40:28 <Sgeo_> Isn't there a language that allows local data definitions?
23:40:48 <FreeFull> Remove the let
23:41:05 <FreeFull> ( data Foo = Bar | Baz
23:41:05 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:1: error: expected: ":",
23:41:05 <idris-ircslave> end of input, operator
23:41:05 <idris-ircslave> data Foo = Bar | Baz<EOF>
23:41:05 <idris-ircslave> ^
23:41:16 <FreeFull> Hmm, maybe not
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23:50:16 <Sgeo_> ( the (a ** b) (5 ** "Hi")
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23:50:50 <Sgeo_> ?
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23:51:40 <Sgeo_> ( 1 + 1
23:53:23 <oerjan> Melvar: Sgeo_ killed yer bot hth
23:54:01 <oerjan> ( "hi"
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23:54:42 <kmc> just because we don't feel flesh doesn't mean we don't fear death
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23:56:25 <oerjan> or not.
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