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00:07:17 <pikhq> `welcome wikileaks1
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00:08:49 <wikileaks1> how are we doing this evening ladies and gents!
00:10:23 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o elliott.
00:10:36 <elliott> wikileaks1: why did you not take being kicked as a hint?
00:11:10 <elliott> true, the united states is pretty powerful
00:11:28 <elliott> you know who else is powerful?
00:11:31 -!- elliott has kicked wikileaks1 me.
00:11:35 <elliott> okay I just wanted a chance to use that line
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00:13:08 <zzo38> wikileaks123: You already wrote that
00:13:21 <elliott> dude, you didn't even change your IP
00:13:33 <elliott> this is the weakest spam ever
00:13:48 <zzo38> If you have something to say about a specific file, say it otherwise go away until you have something better to write please.
00:14:30 <zzo38> The newest file was from January anyways; two months ago.
00:14:37 <boily> can I kick him? please, please :D
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00:15:02 <zzo38> Maybe in future there will be more files, but for now it isn't.
00:15:26 <myname> wikileaks1234: google.com
00:15:35 <myname> in case you necer heard of it
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00:17:02 <boily> I can still mapole him, right?
00:17:13 -!- elliott has set channel mode: +b *!*wikileaks@*.dip0.t-ipconnect.de.
00:17:13 -!- elliott has kicked wikileaks123 try again.
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00:17:31 <elliott> let's hope this 2 minute script works
00:17:42 <elliott> if anyone wants to test it say "wikileaks.org foo"
00:17:49 <elliott> but I am not responsible for the consequences
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00:18:37 <fungot> boily: close upon this thundering there came a philosopher into kingsport. his name, as given on the records scroll in case i was still holding it above me as if it acted like a noose or fnord thrown around me. it is here that the great stone bridge where naraxa joins the sea just north of rhodes-on-the-pawtuxet. the volume and quality of the howling fnord. i am impatient for yr brig, and inquire daily at mr. fnord in exact cen
00:19:20 <elliott> anyway, nobody talk about that site with the leaks and the wiki
00:20:43 <myname> it's not like he's years too late to advertise it
00:20:45 <zzo38> elliott: You just did mention it
00:21:08 <elliott> zzo38: well, you can talk about it. just don't... erm... say the name.
00:21:37 <boily> fungot: can I get you to say the site that shouldn't be named but can still be talked about?
00:21:38 <fungot> boily: ostracised though he was, none could tell just whose arrest might cut off the spectral fnord dampness, the strangely open porthole, and the great dome on the hill of fnord an' that, he didn't git to sleep at midnight, and did not think it necessary to insist upon a thing which i knew this strange old man possessed. i recognized the fnord was too close to admit of perfect secrecy; but the final soul-shattering catastrophe
00:21:40 <Taneb> ^ul (wiki)S(leaks)S(.org)S
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00:22:22 <zzo38> boily: Yes, that is what you are supposed to do, when such things are implemented.
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00:23:57 <zzo38> They keep leaving and I cannot send private messages to them anymore
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00:25:45 <elliott> aw, fungot doesn't respond to /invites :/
00:25:51 <elliott> I should probably not leave this script running long.
00:26:14 <boily> fizzie: would you be so kind as to refungot the chännel twh
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00:26:34 <zzo38> elliott: Yes, you should remove it... temporarily add a password to this channel if needed
00:26:40 <zzo38> Otherwise we will ban fungot again
00:26:41 <fungot> zzo38: complex cases of the permanent projection of elder minds arose many of those blocks were made and used. it was not so sure, for though the chemical air fnord were intact, and not his peculiar personal appearance, which made him end his life. many would have disliked to live if possessed of the peculiar violet light upon it.
00:27:30 <elliott> okay, I severely restricted it. it won't kick fungot now.
00:27:30 <fungot> elliott: using small boats, we effected a difficult landing on ross island shortly after midnight on wednesday, the great race seemed to form a separate and smaller continent divided from the larger one by a laboured revision of the page numbers.
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00:30:25 <Bike> what an odd behavior pattern to trap oneself in
00:30:47 <boily> a norwegian address without a past, a spammer without a future, an elliott without a t.
00:31:04 <elliott> whaat, you broke my script
00:31:09 -!- elliott has set channel mode: +b *!*elliotshe@*.bb.online.no.
00:31:10 -!- elliott has kicked elliotsheadache elliotsheadache.
00:31:18 <Bike> rip elliott's script, twerked too hard
00:32:27 <zzo38> shachaf: elliott is going on here.
00:32:47 <zzo38> shachaf: And also, someone who repeats themself too much is trying to be going on here.
00:32:48 <lexande> spam spam spam lovely spam wonderful spam
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00:36:17 <boily> show edu this time? who's edu?
00:36:48 <boily> Elliott HirD Unknown?
00:36:59 <lexande> show edu, some sort of MOOC platform
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00:38:34 <Bike> ugh, and you know you can't even engage them because they've rerouted their brain as a 4chan-level snail
00:39:52 <metasepia> Software description: code of Massive Open Online Courses.
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00:40:38 <zzo38> boily: Now, maybe they will not find elliott
00:40:49 <zzo38> heyelliot: elliott is not here right now!!!
00:40:50 <Bike> wait for them to get bored
00:41:05 <Bike> in the meantime, let's accuse each other of being fascists
00:41:11 <zzo38> heyelliot: (You also misspelled their name)
00:41:19 <heyelliot> oh, she banned her username with her script! nice
00:41:21 <Bike> i'll start. metasepia you really grind my gears
00:41:37 <heyelliot> i had to mispell on purpose... she banned anyone with elliott, so i dropped a t
00:41:47 <Bike> actually elliott just kicked themselves
00:41:50 <Bike> what's this she stuff
00:42:41 <heyelliot> this is fun! anyone else having fun?
00:43:02 <Bike> you're boring, okay? just accept it and move on.
00:43:11 <Bike> you'll never live up to the legacy of itidus21.
00:43:11 <heyelliot> thanks to heyelliot we have NO BOTS!!
00:43:14 <zzo38> heyelliot: Yes, and you repeat yourself too much.
00:43:19 <boily> what kind of entity is behind heyelliot? are they of the meatsack persuasion, or more of a silicon existence?
00:43:51 <boily> Bike: also, you deserve a rightful mapoling for dissing my bot, you fascist pig!
00:44:03 <Bike> mapoling is just a sublimation of breaking wheels
00:44:09 <Bike> you eurofascist piece of trash
00:44:15 <fungot> lexande: " heh, heh! fnord eliot was a mason an' agin senct zenas was very
00:44:30 <boily> Bike: euro? talk to my 'murican hand!
00:44:39 <Bike> i know you're canadian you queenist
00:44:54 <Bike> listen. do you know locke's whole thing about the consent of the governed.
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00:45:11 <heyelliot> YEAH, IVE JUMPED IP'S 15 TIMES, CANADA IS WHERE ITS AT RIGHT NOW
00:45:26 <Bike> this dudes'b ehind seven proxies we're fucked
00:45:30 <boily> Bike: eeeeeeh... I think we read some Locke in one philosphy class many years ago. maybe.
00:45:46 <boily> heyelliot: I AM AT CANADA!
00:45:54 <Bike> oh. well the basic idea is that governments exist by the consent of people in them.
00:46:28 <Bike> tl;dr we have ops because we don't like heyelliot, rather than having heyelliot because we don't like ops.
00:46:42 <Bike> and the wheel goes round and breaks the fucking fascist.
00:46:46 <Bike> that means you, metasepia.
00:47:08 <shachaf> Bike for president of canada
00:47:18 <boily> my bot ain't no fascist! it is an active socialist, all for the wellbeing of the cephalopod community!
00:47:46 <boily> shachaf: that would be an indubitable improvement over our playmobil prime minister.
00:48:04 <Bike> wow like fascists can't be socialist, whatever lefty
00:48:24 <heyelliot> again you guys are welcome for hacking the OPS out
00:48:58 <boily> Bike: I have your approximate coördinates! I will find you, then make you listen to Céline!
00:49:31 <shachaf> boily: do you have my body weigh by any chance
00:50:18 <boily> shachaf: let me check. I haven't updated the The File in a long time.
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00:50:31 <heye2> still no OPS in here?
00:50:42 <heye2> all hail heyelliot
00:51:07 <Bike> sounds like an occasion for a good mapoling
00:51:09 <boily> shachaf: I am shocked. I don't even have no entry about you at all.
00:51:38 <boily> Bike: can I brandish the MAPOLE OF JUSTICE?
00:51:46 <heye2> where did elliott go?
00:52:08 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o Bike.
00:52:18 * boily lends his trusty mapole to Bike
00:52:30 <boily> Bike: also, can you unbanish elliott?
00:52:31 -!- Bike has kicked metasepia this @ kills fascists.
00:52:47 <Bike> I haven't had op commands, like, ever, let's see how this works.
00:52:50 -!- Bike has kicked heye2 heye2.
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00:53:36 <boily> POWER TO THE PEOPLE! AND CUTTLEFISHES!
00:53:38 <Bike> Now that we have solidified the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, I'm pleased to announce that metasepia may remain.
00:53:50 <Bike> holy shit, i actually spelled that right
00:53:51 <shachaf> fizzie runs esolangs.org now?
00:54:25 <shachaf> those limes on the front page sure look delicious
00:54:50 <shachaf> whenever i go to the wiki i start craving sour citrus
00:55:04 <Bike> boily: also, elliott was just kicked, not banned. don't unbanish what ain't banished, as they say.
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00:55:17 <newsham> is the plural of cuttlefish cuttlefishes?
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00:55:22 <Bike> Actually, know, maybe that was going to be a gay joke.
00:55:33 <boily> newsham: I don't think so, considering that the plural of fish is fish.
00:55:46 <lexande> Bike: umm? 17:38 -!- mode/#esoteric [+b *elliott*!*@*] by elliott
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00:55:59 <myname> am i the only one smiling at brainfuck.being featured language?
00:56:12 <shachaf> elliott can unban himself if he cares to
00:56:29 <shachaf> Why someone would want to be in this channel I can't quite fathom.
00:56:38 <Bike> bikeslover: that's not a gay joke.
00:56:57 <boily> elliott is the Chuck Norris of this chännel.
00:57:21 <boily> shachaf: what about a nice gin tonic with a big slice of lime?
00:57:32 -!- Bike has set channel mode: +b *!*heyelliot@201.20.235.*.
00:57:32 -!- Bike has kicked bikeslover The complete script of Bee movie.
00:57:41 <Bike> What a letdown.
00:57:56 <shachaf> i don't like carbonated things, though
00:58:03 <shachaf> but i'd go for just a lime
00:58:09 <Bike> Do people eat limes
00:58:16 <Bike> that's a serious question. i have no idea.
00:58:30 <Bike> how do you eat them?
00:58:47 <Bike> how do you eat lemons
00:59:01 <boily> shachaf................................
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00:59:29 <boily> shachaf: you are a vile punster of the worst kind.
00:59:40 <Bike> alright, let's try some advanced techniques.
01:00:10 <boily> (meanwhile, Japan is fawning over Natalia Poklonskaya in a very disturbing fashion.)
01:00:46 -!- Bike has set channel mode: +b *!*elliot*@*.
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01:00:56 <Bike> Let's see how this works- oh, well ok then.
01:01:38 <shachaf> apparently someone posted my quote from this channel to qdb.us
01:01:38 <shachaf> i thought that wasn't supposed to happen
01:02:22 <boily> mynameL http://qdb.us/search?q=shachaf
01:02:33 -!- Bike has set channel mode: -b *elliott*!*@*.
01:02:40 <shachaf> some sort of cheap knockoff of HackEgo?
01:02:46 <boily> it's qdb.us. it's like bash.org.
01:03:17 <Bike> this syntax is so weird.
01:06:12 <Bike> Like, can I get a list of all bans? Who knows??
01:07:41 <Bike> irc truly is amazing technology.
01:08:28 <boily> only the best Finnish engineering practices were applied in the conception of IRC.
01:12:45 -!- Bike has set channel mode: +b *!*wikileaks@*.
01:12:50 <myname> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Quiler lol @ third paragraph
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01:13:21 <Bike> there, nice n consolidated.
01:15:10 <Bike> i like how 'joke' and 'unsuitable for programming' are distinct categories.
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01:16:15 <Bike> yeah i'll just ban them again if they show up probably.
01:16:30 <Bike> i unbanned the wrong things in the second to last command anyway.
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01:39:01 <ircXman1> anyone heard about wikileaks.org?
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01:44:41 <Sgeo> I bought some "smartwater", which, as far as I can tell, just has 'electrolytes' added for taste. Not likely to be worse than just being a waste of money, I assume
01:44:52 <Sgeo> (I needed a water bottle, and decided to indulge my curiosity)
01:45:03 <Bike> dude be careful, you don't want to accidentally ionize a kidney
01:45:22 <pikhq> It's got what plants crave.
01:45:25 <myname> does it have five kinds of sugar?
01:47:17 <Sgeo> zoneofdanger: watch Idiocracy
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01:55:11 <Sgeo> I want to play Marble Drop :(
01:57:08 <Sgeo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLGYxKdbE2Q
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03:06:18 <Sgeo> Why are the comments on news sites so terrible?
03:06:33 <Sgeo> "It makes perfect sense... By law, ALL crime belongs in CITIES. so that suburbs can stay quiet and pristine. Therefore, when a crime happens in the suburbs, it's the city's fault."
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03:07:42 <Sgeo> http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/03/23/edison-officials-work-to-relocate-students-of-burned-down-james-monroe-elementary/#comment-1297563836
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03:23:37 <Sgeo> ) >'And now I'm back, from outer space'
03:23:38 <jconn> Sgeo: | >'And now I'm back, from outer space'
03:23:43 <Sgeo> ) <'And now I'm back, from outer space'
03:23:44 <jconn> Sgeo: | <'And now I'm back, from outer space'
03:23:54 <Sgeo> ) <'And now Im back, from outer space'
03:23:55 <jconn> Sgeo: +---------------------------------+
03:23:55 <jconn> Sgeo: |And now Im back, from outer space|
03:23:55 <jconn> Sgeo: +---------------------------------+
03:24:56 <newsham> ) <'Don't put me in a box!
03:24:56 <jconn> newsham: |syntax error
03:24:56 <jconn> newsham: | <'Don't put me in a box!
03:25:34 <newsham> ) <'Dont put me in a box!'
03:25:34 <jconn> newsham: +---------------------+
03:25:35 <jconn> newsham: |Dont put me in a box!|
03:25:35 <jconn> newsham: +---------------------+
03:31:57 <oerjan> ) <'Don\'t leave out apostrophes'
03:31:57 <jconn> oerjan: |open quote
03:31:58 <jconn> oerjan: | <'Don\'t leave out apostrophes'
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03:35:41 <madbr> Can the java garbage collector collect whole threads?
04:00:23 <kmc> i for one welcome our new Bike overlords
04:00:58 <Bike> oh good, my least favorite escaping method
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04:37:32 <Sgeo> I have recently been introduced to the word prepone
04:40:19 <Sgeo> !define postpone
04:41:23 <zzo38> Is it possible to change my watchlist token to a number of my choice?
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04:47:26 <zzo38> Why are the categories for the "Floater" article commented out and the URL for the interpreter is missing entirely?
04:53:32 <oerjan> i'm more worried about the layout being all messed up
04:53:59 <oerjan> fizzie: the new wiki looks _very_ messed up in style to me hth
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05:00:20 <oerjan> @tell fizzie the new wiki looks _very_ messed up in style to me hth
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05:02:29 <oerjan> @tell fizzie never mind ctrl-f5 fixed it on second try (don't know what i did wrong first time)
05:05:56 <zzo38> oerjan: You can also try changing which skin is in use, see if some work better than others.
05:06:05 <zzo38> None are as clean as the old version, though.
05:06:57 <kmc> Sgeo: what does it mean to prepone
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05:40:42 <fizzie> oerjan: I had the style thing too.
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05:52:38 <ion> I added one more program. http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/24289/1621
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06:06:23 <zzo38> ion: Which one is the one you add?
06:07:36 <ion> Revision 4 http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/posts/24289/revisions
06:10:50 <zzo38> Can you code-golf in SQL?
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06:11:35 <zzo38> Also, can you code-golf in INTERCAL?
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07:51:15 <ion> OCR in a nutshell http://i.imgur.com/2Nf4x7X.jpg
08:08:59 <Zom-B|afk> now make a self-rewriting esolang using that char mapping
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08:10:14 <Zom-B> zzo38: ther are code golfs made in SQL, just look around a bit there
08:14:58 <zzo38> Are there code golfs in TeX?
08:19:50 <zzo38> I have once done a golfed "FizzBuzz" program in TeX.
08:20:09 <lifthrasiir> hmm, wait, I've certainly seen ps golfing but no TeX golfing, sorry for confusion
08:21:50 <zzo38> I have seen golfing with PostScript too
08:22:27 <zzo38> But, this is one program in TeX; \newcount\-\let~\advance\day0\loop~\-1~\day1~\mit\ifnum\-=3\-0Fizz\fi\ifnum\fam=5Buzz\rm\fi\ifvmode\the\day\fi\endgraf\ifnum\day<`d\repeat\bye
08:23:23 <Zom-B> even an answer in my code golf question is in tex
08:23:42 <Zom-B> http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/23440/17419
08:24:15 <Zom-B> ^ and thats the honorable '
08:24:26 <Zom-B> ^ and thats the honorable 'loser' with the largest program
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08:25:24 <zzo38> My program is using Plain TeX rather than LaTeX, and output DVI instead of PDF. Probably other program too, could be shorter made using Plain TeX and DVI.
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08:28:51 <zzo38> I have also seen a SQL program to make Mandelbrot, and it is even given as one of the examples of how the WITH clause works.
08:30:29 <Zom-B> fractals have always fascinated me even before i actually knew what fractals were
08:32:50 <Jafet> Fractals; you see one, you've seen them all.
08:39:32 <Zom-B> you see one, you spiral out of control
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09:39:28 <Zom-B> i planned to release my new esolang today or tomorrow
09:39:38 <Zom-B> now the database is locked for "a few days"
09:40:15 <Zom-B> the day after tomorrow my full time job resumes
09:40:25 <Zom-B> (free because of the NSS)
09:45:25 <fizzie> If you're seeing a "database is locked" message, you're still seeing the wiki on the old server. On the new one, it is (or at least should be) editable. DNS updates should not take more than a day to propagate fully.
09:45:50 <Zom-B> oh congrats on becoming admin
09:50:08 <fizzie> I think "commiserations" is perhaps more appropriate, since it's now my problem when things go wrong. Thanks, anyway. (Probably the people active on the wiki itself will still be doing most of the actually important things, like spam-wrangling and such, anyhow.)
09:53:07 <Jafet> You could start by providing us with a few problems, as per topic
09:53:57 <fizzie> Uh, well, maybe the still-in-progress DNS issue counts as a problem.
09:57:17 <Zom-B> >ping esolangs.org
09:57:17 <Zom-B> Pinging esolangs.org [162.248.166.242]
09:59:44 <fizzie> Hm; that actually looks new.
10:01:04 <Zom-B> c1105889-5122.cloudatcost.com [162.248.166.242]
10:07:16 <fizzie> Yes. That is the new server. The database should not be locked on it.
10:07:23 <fizzie> (I managed to edit my user page, at least.)
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11:15:16 <ion> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/82
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12:16:59 <Jafet> The only things being violated here are overfishing regulations.
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13:13:48 <nortti> the thing that has been bugging mwe
13:14:04 <nortti> *me about that pull request, wtf is "xhe"
13:15:18 <ion> It’s satirizing weird gender-neutral pronouns.
13:15:48 <ion> http://askanonbinary.tumblr.com/post/74544202338/list-of-pronouns
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13:35:19 <int-e> "More pronouns for everyone" made me chuckle
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15:02:00 <password2> lots of weir arbitary things i can do
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16:01:18 <password2> my bot now has upto infinity more spammage
16:11:02 <password2> oh , thats why my code does not work
16:11:12 <password2> i was adding a cell to itself until it were 0
16:31:41 <password2> now i have a a small bf^ program that will add all numbers to the cell 0 until it finds a 0
16:41:08 <b_jonas> password2: go to http://esolangs.org/wiki/ , write a page about brainfuck^ , where you give the exact rules and a reference interpreter or a link to those
16:42:09 <b_jonas> add it to this category: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Brainfuck_derivatives
16:42:36 <b_jonas> password2: I mean because you have so much time on your hands but I can't understand all this you say about pointers because I don't know the exact rules bf^ has
16:45:20 <password2> stupid qeustion , how do i edit a category?
16:45:37 <b_jonas> you put [[Category:Something]] in the article
16:45:45 <b_jonas> and the category page will automatically list all pages where that's added
16:46:00 <b_jonas> you can edit the category itself for the heading, but that's not needed here
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17:00:15 <password2> the new rules are actually simple now that i think bout it
17:02:47 <b_jonas> ah, you've created an account. great!
17:03:46 <myname> what is # supposed to do?
17:04:41 <password2> goto #test_room and i will show you
17:05:02 <myname> you could also add a goto
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17:05:52 <myname> like pointer = cells[pointer]
17:06:53 <password2> how do i add a new section in a page?
17:07:19 <myname> look it up at an article that has what you want
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17:22:19 <password2> i think i will open source my c++ code for it too
17:26:58 <password2> hooray , i feel more productive now
17:28:09 <password2> mmm , maybe i should redo the whole syntax
17:29:31 <password2> and use a syntax more like c++ where * signifies that the next thing is a pointer
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17:57:48 <b_jonas> yes, headings with equals signs
17:57:57 <b_jonas> == second level heading ==
17:58:01 <b_jonas> === third level heading ===
18:42:05 <zzo38> Do you know how to disable free games in a UltraPin game?
18:43:31 <Zom-B> is there a way to write math/mathtex on the wiki?
18:44:29 <zzo38> I wrote a program which should be simpler and more secure and faster and more powerful than the one on Wikipedia, but I do not know how to install it in a MediaWiki installation.
18:45:10 <zzo38> You could for now just enter a raw code or upload a picture, I suppose.
18:45:49 <Zom-B> i only need a few constants, i, tau and e
18:46:18 <Zom-B> currently i'm copying the contents of wikipedia's tags (they have a gazillion tags for everything mathematic)
18:46:36 <Zom-B> seems like <span class="texhtml"> works :]
18:46:40 <zzo38> You could also just paste the text.
18:53:00 <fizzie> I don't think <span class="texhtml"> does anything else than sets a serif font.
18:56:08 <Zom-B> as long as it looks mathy
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18:57:25 <zzo38> fizzie: Are you able to install the program I wrote for rendering a TeX file received remotely? That can be used for mathematical equations too
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19:00:38 <zzo38> It is written in PHP so probably it can be installed on MediaWiki.
19:01:22 <fizzie> In a strictly technical sense, it could be possible, but I don't know anything about MediaWiki extensions, and I'm not really planning to learn about them, which would probably be required in order to integrate it in the wiki. Even if math support would be very fancy.
19:01:26 <fizzie> There's no TeX system installed on the server at the moment, either.
19:03:13 <zzo38> In order to use my program you only need to install Plain TeX and AMS fonts.
19:03:20 <zzo38> As well as dvipng.
19:05:10 <fizzie> Are there many differences between Plain TeX and LaTeX math syntax? For some reason I would think most people are more familiar with the latter.
19:05:21 <zzo38> It has no dependency on etex, xelatex, pdftex, or anything like that (and if you use them, it won't be secure anymore), and no dependency on PostScript, TrueType, or anything like that either.
19:05:31 <zzo38> fizzie: Many things are the same, I think.
19:06:39 <zzo38> Some things may be exclusive to one or the other, but I think many things you can do easily in Plain TeX require a lot of packages in LaTeX, and the security system does not allow installing packages. You could still, add macros for common things, without much difficult.
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19:12:55 <zzo38> My system uses its own format file which imports Plain TeX, and then adds a few things, and then disables some commands for security purposes.
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20:57:08 <Vorpal> fizzie, zzo38: Pretty sure mediawiki already has an extension for LaTeX math, used on wikipedia
20:58:01 <Vorpal> And I suspect that is as secure as Plain TeX would be
20:58:15 <fizzie> Yes, zzo38 referred to it.
20:58:21 <fizzie> Apparently it's inferior.
20:58:39 <Vorpal> It seems to work for WP, it can't be that bad
20:59:06 <fizzie> You would have to ask zzo38 that, and get a zzo38ian answer.
20:59:41 <fizzie> (Also working for Wikipedia doesn't mean it couldn't be horrible.)
20:59:57 <fizzie> It's worse in terms of required dependencies, at the very least.
21:00:07 <Vorpal> Well sure, but it is probably has reasonable performance, is reasonably secure and so on
21:02:40 <fizzie> I don't think I want to go on installing it (and a gigabyte of texlive) without someone who is familiar with it saying it's worth it.
21:03:11 <Vorpal> fizzie, I guess poke ais, he used to do wp stuff after all
21:04:09 <fizzie> I'll see if we happen to be online simultaneously (and I remember to do that); gotta be careful of all those lambdabot message fees and all.
21:04:40 <olsner> do file descriptors have their own position or does the underlying file have one shared between all fds?
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21:05:34 <Vorpal> olsner, I'm not 100% sure, but I was pretty sure each had it's own position?
21:05:45 <fizzie> I'm reasonably certain it is so.
21:06:06 <Vorpal> Also doesn't FILE object store the offset too?
21:07:40 <olsner> (file descriptors, not FILE objects)
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21:08:33 <Vorpal> yeah, but I said I think FILE objects also store offsets
21:09:21 <fizzie> "If a file can support positioning requests --, then a "file position indicator" *associated with the stream* --" (POSIX, emphasis mine)
21:10:12 <olsner> I was about to claim elsewhere that a bunch of threads doing reads on their own dup:ed file descriptors is equivalent to them doing it on the original file descriptor
21:10:26 <olsner> but then I didn't know if that would be true or not
21:12:09 <fizzie> That might still be true, even if independently opened descriptors did not share the position.
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21:12:46 <olsner> right, what I called "file" is what posix seems to call "file description"
21:12:56 <fizzie> "Duplicate descriptors share one file position and one set of file status flags (see File Status Flags), but each has its own set of file descriptor flags (see Descriptor Flags)", goes the glibc manual. POSIX is being rather unexplicit about it.
21:16:06 <fizzie> Oh, I guess 2.5.1 does hint at it.
21:16:47 <fizzie> "An open file description may be accessed through a file descriptor, which is created using functions such as open() or pipe(), -- Either a file descriptor or a stream is called a "handle" on the open file description to which it refers; an open file description may have several handles."
21:17:16 <fizzie> And if you dup, you end up with several handles to the same file description; but if you open() a single file twice, you end up with two separate file descriptions.
21:22:07 <Vorpal> Oh interesting, that they are different
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21:28:31 <olsner> I suppose fork() has sort of the effect of doing dup() on every file descriptor
21:28:56 <kmc> inheriting fd's over exec() as default behavior is so bad :(
21:29:47 <olsner> random thing I found on wikipedia: apparently solaris and BSD have a closefrom() call that closes every file descriptor above the argument
21:29:49 <Vorpal> FILE does seem to have some offsets at least http://sprunge.us/NZKT
21:29:59 <kmc> that's good
21:30:07 <Vorpal> (extracted using pahole from debug info, because I couldn't find the definition of it
21:30:12 <kmc> I've seen programs do that on Linux by listing /proc/self/fd
21:30:16 <olsner> so you could closefrom(3) (or 2?) before exec
21:30:19 <kmc> I don't know if there's another way to get your list of open fd's :/
21:30:49 <kmc> there's also fcntl(FD_CLOEXEC)
21:31:04 <fizzie> kmc: You can keep dup'ing until you hit EMFILE and track which numbers were assigned; the ones that weren't were already open.
21:31:14 <kmc> and O_CLOEXEC
21:31:41 <kmc> Linux added flags arguments to a bunch of the syscalls that return fds in order that you can set CLOEXEC atomically
21:31:52 <kmc> which is important with forkexec in multi-threaded programs
21:32:59 <Vorpal> kmc, pretty sure some of that was added to POSIX 2008?
21:33:42 <olsner> multi-threaded fork is a bit scary
21:34:26 <olsner> (luckily, it doesn't actually fork into multiple threads)
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22:19:19 <ion> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BKN_CELTICS_NETS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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22:20:39 <boily> good happy-kmc evening.
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22:31:52 <olsner> poor HackEgo, still mute?
22:32:37 <kmc> "Trying to come up with a unique name for a roguelike is a great way to accidentally name a BDSM club."
22:34:23 * oerjan throws a net over kmc and starts hacking
22:34:53 <kmc> why have I been netted?
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22:35:00 <boily> hellœrjan. hellolsner. Slelloreahello.
22:35:19 <boily> kmc: because it's convenient.
22:35:21 <oerjan> kmc: you've been admitted to the new nethack bdsm club hth
22:36:12 * boily dons his leather suit.
22:36:25 <boily> (it's a very nice leather suit, insulated against the winter.)
22:36:33 <kmc> I pasted that here largely because of the Taneb-quote
22:37:29 <oerjan> (your plan to make me say "what Taneb quote" fails because i still remember it)
22:37:30 <zzo38> If a roguelike is made out of AWK, then call it AWK-roguelike. If it is made out of SQL, then call it SQL-roguelike. If it is made out of mathematics, then call it, mathematical-game.
22:37:43 <kmc> oerjan: how could we forget, really
22:38:14 <oerjan> zzo38: i think those are _terrible_ names for bdsm clubs, you're not getting into this. except maybe the last one.
22:39:21 <zzo38> Maybe, a better name for BDSM clubs, also depend what it is made of. If it is made of leather suit then, call it, Leather-Suit-BDSM-Club.
22:39:21 <boily> the... mathematical game???
22:39:35 <oerjan> boily: you better keep your equations straight in that club
22:39:51 <boily> “bite me, whip me, make me solve integrals!”
22:43:59 <oerjan> <b_jonas> == second level heading == <-- i should point out we don't usually use first level headings, although there is at least one exception where it was convenient.
22:44:32 <oerjan> ([[Brainfuck constants]])
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22:49:33 <oerjan> <-- not afaik but i've usually been able to fake it, see e.g. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#.7E:.21.28.29.5E_Turing_machine
22:49:49 <oerjan> <Zom-B> is there a way to write math/mathtex on the wiki? <-- not afaik but i've usually been able to fake it, see e.g. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#.7E:.21.28.29.5E_Turing_machine
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23:25:04 <Sgeo> "Forced program termination is not allowed unless the program consents to it. The process is part of the choice of the program, not the programmer." perfect language to write malware?
23:31:31 <shachaf> can we not have that thing in here plz thx
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