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00:13:31 <Sgeo> Is shred likely to work acceptably well on Cygwin?
00:38:09 <Sgeo> Apparently not
00:38:17 <Sgeo> But I'm more concerned with malware than physical tampering
00:38:26 <Sgeo> So should shred be sufficient for preventing THAT?
00:38:35 <Sgeo> From accessing my sensitive data?
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00:40:17 <Bike> do like my parents, pour honey through your hard drives
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00:43:05 <Sgeo> How do I do recursive shred
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00:47:58 <Bike> http://larvalsubjects.wordpress.com/2014/02/20/lets-talk-about-sets/ alright i give in. set theory is too mainstream. univalent foundations 4ever. just make it stop
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02:14:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Staq]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39382&oldid=39381 * Oerjan * (+0) That's not a stack.
02:18:26 <Sgeo> Does this mean we have to rename the language?
02:23:22 <oerjan> i suppose it is possible the q is from queue, i don't remember.
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02:34:39 <Bike> they asked kmc about bayhac.
02:35:10 <coppro> oerjan: he comes by every now and then
02:35:20 <coppro> copumpkin: you're not the dual of a pumpkin at all!
02:35:37 <oerjan> i think he's self-dual
02:36:21 <oerjan> if edwardk made an esolang, who could program in it?
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05:30:56 <kmc> how strange it is to be anything at all
05:33:26 <kmc> hi shachaf
05:33:39 <kmc> glad you agree
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05:35:47 <shachaf> i should make a bot that looks up things kmc says and posts information when they're lyrics
05:36:33 <Bike> kmc himself turns out to be merely the entire lyrics of Louie Louie
05:37:00 <shachaf> Bike: what do you think of vissarion belinsky
05:37:53 <Bike> i've never heard of him, i mean
05:38:06 <Bike> "He hailed Fyodor Dostoyevsky's first novel, Poor Folk (1845), however, Dostoevsky soon thereafter broke with Belinsky" "Inspired by these ideas, which led to thinking about radical changes in society’s organization, Belinsky began to call himself a socialist starting in 1841" gosh i wonder if these are related......................
05:39:16 <coppro> Sgeo: you should actually play agora
05:40:15 <coppro> oh god calvinball is going to pass isn't it
05:41:34 <Bike> "Belinsky died of consumption on the eve of his arrest by the Tsar's police on account of his political views. In 1910, Russia celebrated the centenary of his birth with enthusiasm and appreciation." this article is just full of great juxtaposition
05:42:13 <kmc> oh that guy
05:43:20 <Bike> i wouldn't have thought 'arrested by the okhrana' is specific enough to clue you into an identity
05:43:37 <kmc> he was a character in the plays that shachaf and i saw together in berkeley
05:43:49 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Coast_of_Utopia
05:44:13 <Bike> oh. that looks kind of nifty.
05:44:26 <kmc> it's very good
05:56:05 <kmc> we saw them all in a row, 7.5 hours of plays
05:57:28 <oerjan> ooh selnikov that was the guy who got be a head in a jar i think
06:07:28 <shachaf> Bike: what about what'shisname
06:07:42 <shachaf> you know about all kinds of people right
06:08:05 <Bike> i've never actually seen a people in its natural habitat.
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06:12:30 <kmc> i've never ever really met a normal person
06:15:41 <oerjan> shachaf: make that bot stat twh
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10:01:44 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:German]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39383 * 93.193.212.102 * (+1038) Some suggestions for improvement
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10:49:28 <fizzie> mincross: pass 0 iter 1 trying 0 cur_cross 7723318 best_cross 7723318
10:49:33 <fizzie> That's a lot of edge crossings.
10:49:47 <fizzie> (I asked GraphViz's dot to render the esograph.)
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11:26:34 <myname> someone really is suggesting stuff for german?
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12:08:22 <int-e> coppro: esolang wiki pages and links between them
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12:18:23 <int-e> Ah fizzie pasted this link recently: http://zem.fi/2014-04-20-wikigraph
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14:57:48 <kallisti> cool my space filling tree works. I gave it a 10x10 rectangle asking for 3 leaves, and it spat out 3 non-overlapping subrectangles that cover the starting rectangle.
15:00:39 <kallisti> not really sure what the tree is, technically. Maybe implicit k-d tree?
15:01:11 <kallisti> well, k is always 2 actually. so implicit 2-d tree
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15:14:22 <kallisti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Glasses_800_edit.png
15:14:37 <kallisti> this took 23 days to render, apparently.
15:15:10 <fizzie> "More than 100 pages link to this file" time well spent, then.
15:15:17 <kallisti> imagine what video games would look like if we could render it in a few millisecond.
15:16:33 <Jafet> That looks obviously fake to me, like someone just grabbed a few wine glasses and photographed them
15:19:40 <kallisti> hm, I wonder if I'll even need to use a 2-d tree to partition the game of life grid.
15:20:57 <kallisti> right now I'm using a naive implementation of GoL but later I will switch to Hashlife. I could very easily use the 2-d tree and just have each distributed node implement their own hashlife algorithm. However, I could also attempt to use a global quadtree and distribute that across worker nodes, but I'm not really sure how that would work.
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15:26:55 <kallisti> well, for the 2-d tree algorithm I just partition the grid into N subgrids, where N is the number of worker nodes. And then worker nodes communicate peer-to-peer to fetch boundary cells
15:27:25 <kallisti> I'm not sure how distributed quadtree would work, as I haven't studied hashlife enough to know how to distribute it.
15:27:49 <Jafet> hashlife gets a bit tricky if block addresses are no longer unique. I suppose you can let them be unique per-node, and then merge copies later.
15:29:38 <kallisti> I think it would honestly be sufficient to have each worker implement a local hashlife algorithm
15:30:53 <Jafet> You will need to merge the local hash tables every now and then, otherwise I can't see any speedup from using multiple computers.
15:31:52 <kallisti> yeah there's not really any computational benefit. You could, however, represent patterns that consume extremely large quantities of memory.
15:34:02 <Jafet> If you can rearrange the algorithm to deal with high latency table lookups, you might be able to use a DHT
15:34:59 <Jafet> (and cache frequently-used pieces locally, because pieces are immutable)
15:37:08 <Jafet> Hmm, now I want to waste time implementing this.
15:37:27 <kallisti> I'm currently wasting time implementing this.
15:37:56 <kallisti> except it's not really wasting time because the naive implementation I'm doing right now is for a class project.
15:38:30 <kallisti> (the project isn't to specifically implement distributed GoL, it could be any kind of distributed system)
15:39:05 <kallisti> once I finish that I'll probably work on the haslife implementation
15:40:25 <kallisti> I'm thinking I can somehow adapt the 2-d tree to partition the quadtree, but I'm probably wrong about that.
15:40:33 <Jafet> Hashlife is a pure functional algorithm, so it shouldn't be hard to transpose the steps
15:40:37 <kallisti> I just need to study hashlife more.
15:41:50 <Jafet> The usual presentation is: to get the successor of each piece, lookup the successors of its sub-pieces in the hash table, then combine them and put the result in the hash table
15:42:11 <Jafet> After transposing that, the hash table lookups can be streamed and latency shouldn't matter any more
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15:49:20 <Jafet> Oh, there is also another fun and tricky part
15:49:26 <Jafet> Distributed garbage collector
15:51:33 <Jafet> Well, you can use reference counting... which is ridiculously slow even on a sequential computer
15:52:08 <Jafet> (One of the things I've been meaning to change in my hashlife code)
15:53:29 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:German]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39384&oldid=39383 * Oerjan * (+53) unsigned
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16:12:45 <mroman> Why is reference counting slow?
16:16:48 <Jafet> The large number of read/writes may have something to do with it
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16:40:54 <Bike> «Several conference proceedings have been infiltrated by fake submissions generated by the SCIgen computer program. Due to the fictional content the chapter “Developing Write-Back Caches and Information Retrieval Systems with EASEL” by “Mingqian Wang, Yingying Wang, Yueou Ren and Xi Zhao” has been retracted by the publisher» i love the future~
16:54:32 <fizzie> dot's been running for four hours now, and based on the verbose outputs it's not more than maybe a third of the way done.
16:54:36 <mroman> "Decoupling a* Search from the UNIVAC Computer in the UNIVAC Computer "
16:55:13 <fizzie> "A Methodology for the Simulation of the World Wide Web". Well, that sounds plausible.
16:55:19 <mroman> "Many leading analysts would agree that, had it not been for pervasive configurations, the visualization of IPv4 might never have occurred. " this SCIgen is really something
16:58:24 <mroman> Don't they have somebody at least looking at the sent-in papers
16:58:58 <mroman> That wouldn't catch a hand-made fake paper but at least randomly generated papers
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17:07:33 <Bike> my fave is "802.11B considered harmful"
17:09:24 <mroman> "A 2013 scientometrics paper demonstrated that at least 85 SCIgen papers have been published by IEEE"
17:09:45 <Bike> they're mostly conference proceedings
17:09:57 <FireFly> You can't just quote that without linking to the paper
17:10:38 <mroman> It's a WP-Quote though
17:11:06 <kmc> you cannot petition the lord with prayer
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17:23:04 <Jafet> "Additional measures taken: An automatic SCIgen detection system is being integrated in Springer’s submission check system, and we will offer this system to our conference proceedings partners, who will be trained in its use."
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17:26:36 <lifthrasiir> we should try to write a genuine paper that conforms to the formal grammar generated by SCIgen
17:48:33 <kmc> Bike: what do you think about newcomb's problem
17:50:29 <Bike> not much into logic puzzles but it's cute
17:50:36 <Bike> i'd take both, because a thousand dollars sounds pretty cool
17:51:48 <kmc> a thousand dollars isn't cool
17:51:52 <kmc> you know what's cool? a million dollars
17:53:11 <Bike> a million dollars sounds pretty cool but if it's based on some televangelist's thinking i don't wanna deal
17:54:16 <kmc> it's kind of like playing prisoner's dilemma with a simulated copy of yourself
17:55:08 <Bike> well for that i'd obviously not defect
17:57:45 <kmc> so you should take only the one box
17:58:36 <Bike> well, i guess i would if i was pretty convinced the televangelist was accurate
18:00:40 <kmc> what's this about televangelists
18:02:25 <kmc> predictor? i hardly know 'er!
18:02:50 <Bike> i'm just saying, if someone came along with this thing i'd be like lol yeah right
18:03:13 <kmc> it doesn't have to be right that much of the time for the paradox to be paradoxical
18:03:21 <kmc> i think you can just adjust the payoffs accordingly
18:04:02 <kmc> lexande: what is your success rate playing omega?
18:04:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Rail]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39385&oldid=37412 * 91.64.186.58 * (+58) /* External resources */
18:06:26 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Kinnla * New user account
18:07:47 <kmc> anyway you could say that the right course of action is to make it as easy as possible for even a mediocre omega to predict that you will one-box
18:10:21 <Bike> that sounds like it's going to go into basilisks pretty fast, lol
18:13:27 <kmc> gotta watch out for basilisks
18:15:05 <kmc> do you want basilisks? because that's how you get basilisks
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18:25:05 <Bike> http://www.theonion.com/articles/how-to-solve-a-rubiks-cube,35827 this should explain me and this puzzle
18:25:42 <shachaf> Bike: just, like, conjugates hth
18:26:08 <shachaf> whoa, the biggest trick to solving a rubik's cube is a monad
18:27:33 <ion> A monad is like a Rubik’s cube.
18:28:59 <elliott> monad/burrito jokes are hereby banned
18:29:24 <Taneb> `quote time is like
18:29:31 <Taneb> `quote time is more
18:30:02 <shachaf> mine wasn't really a joke, though
18:30:51 <shachaf> though perhaps it ought to be banned anyway
18:33:20 <Taneb> Did you know that Minecraft modpacks form the arrows of a category
18:35:29 <shachaf> wait, i'm apparently thinking of a "commutator"
18:37:34 <shachaf> Taneb: did you know group actions etc. are just functors
18:38:12 <Taneb> There are many things I don't know
18:38:23 <Taneb> For example, what a group action is, or how to actually make a curry
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18:39:05 <shachaf> a G-action is a functor : G -> Set hth
18:39:06 <Taneb> Similar to a group action, I'm afraid
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18:39:49 <Taneb> So, is fast curry a functor : fast -> curry?
18:40:13 <lambdabot> http://www.nigella.com/recipes/view/curry-in-a-hurry-11
18:40:15 <lambdabot> Title: CURRY IN A HURRY | Recipes | Nigella Lawson
18:40:55 <shachaf> whoa, spj should've taken naming advice from nigella.com
18:41:17 <shachaf> though i guess the fast curry in question isn't necessarily fast to make, just fast after it's done
18:42:52 <Taneb> shachaf, that seems disappointingly not food
18:45:36 <HackEgo> emptizudacoin gaxencoin truecoin alecoin salagecoin concoin m-codelcoin chrowcoin pinsonavocoin eplcoin resoncoin memfcoin beetcoin shencoin hintcoin gasoribericoin concoin slocoin brosievcoin pencoin
18:45:44 <Taneb> Non of those are food either
18:45:53 <kmc> not even beetcoin?
18:46:03 <fizzie> My emptizudacoin wallet's all empty.
18:46:29 <kmc> alecoin sounds like a foodcoin as well
18:46:43 <fizzie> And concoin sounds like a thing that exists.
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18:55:10 <fizzie> Do you people happen to know, if something is shipped as "FedEx International Priority" with "FedEx Envelope" packaging, are they going to drop it in the mail slot, or insist that I should be present to receive it?
18:57:36 <fizzie> (I'm guesstimating they want a signature of some sort somehow.)
19:01:12 <kmc> give them an ECDSA signature
19:04:32 <fizzie> The mail slot should have some sort of public-key cryptography support, so that I could give them its public key over the nets, and then when they're at the door, they'd use it to both verify the mail slot's identity, and get a signed proof-of-delivery statement out of it.
19:05:38 <fizzie> I guess it'd be harder for the mail slot to check they delivered something sensible.
19:06:25 <int-e> I didn't know that in the US it's illegal for FedEx or UPS to put stuff in people's mailboxes; they are regardes USPS property.
19:06:47 <fizzie> Of course what they're delivering is a special piece of paper that doesn't really have any excuse for existing physically.
19:07:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Rail]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39386&oldid=31682 * Kinnla * (+331) /* List Constructor */ new section
19:14:33 <fizzie> @tell ais523 In 2006, you wrote in Talk:Rail that car/cdr stand for "Content of {Address,Decrement} Register", while in reality they're derived from "Contents of the {Address,Decrement} part of Register X"; they're parts of a single 704 machine word, along with the prefix and tag parts.
19:14:33 <quintopia> int-e: either company can deliver to your local post office, however, who will gladly deposit it in your mailbox for you
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19:16:22 <fizzie> (That recently announced Talk:Rail edit does not really look like a question. Or at least a question lacking an answer.)
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19:25:57 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Rail]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39387&oldid=39385 * Duerig * (+11) /* Built-in commands */ The list constructor should require a list/nil to build on.
19:27:09 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Rail]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39388&oldid=39386 * Duerig * (+260) /* List Constructor */
19:33:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Rail]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39389&oldid=39388 * Kinnla * (+481) /* Forth Notation of Type Signatures */ new section
19:33:51 <b_jonas> fizzie: "Decrement"? I thought it stood for "Data"
19:35:05 <fizzie> b_jonas: http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/history/lisp/node2.html "The first problem was how to do list structure in the IBM 704. This computer has a 36 bit word, and two 15 bit parts, called the address and decrement, were distinguished by special instructions --"
19:35:52 <fizzie> @tell ais523 Citation: http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/history/lisp/node2.html
19:36:04 <fizzie> It must be reliable, it says "www-formal" right in the hostname.
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19:39:45 <fizzie> "The IBM 704 had a 38-bit accumulator, a 36-bit multiplier quotient register, and three 15-bit index registers. The contents of the index registers were subtracted from the base address, so the index registers were also called "decrement registers". All three index registers could participate in an instruction: the 3-bit tag field in the instruction was a bit map specifying which of the ...
19:39:51 <fizzie> ... registers would participate in the operation. However, when more than one index register was selected, then their contents were or'ed – not added – together before the decrement took place." (Wikipedia)
19:39:56 <fizzie> That sounds p. strange.
19:41:56 <fizzie> Also, dot has now spent 408 CPU-minutes, and still shows no signs of being done.
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19:54:50 <Bike> https://bug985155.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8409733 Mother Fucking NOP Sled
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20:03:48 <Phantom_Hoover> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Itanium_Sales_Forecasts_edit.png hahaha oh my god
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20:07:28 <Jafet> Why does mozilla even support "Some (old) Linux kernels on ARM"
20:07:49 <Jafet> Oh, phones. Of course.
20:08:02 <Bike> Phantom_Hoover: one of the greatest graphs ever made.
20:08:07 <Jafet> The platform is still tagged "x86_64 Linux".
20:13:20 <Jafet> "A former Intel official reported that the Itanium business had become profitable for Intel in late 2009."
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20:29:21 <int-e> Oh, Itanium. EPIC failure.
20:30:16 <fizzie> /aɪˈteɪniəm/ I didn't know it's pronounced like that.
20:30:38 <lambdabot> *** "titanium" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
20:30:38 <lambdabot> n 1: a light strong grey lustrous corrosion-resistant metallic
20:30:38 <lambdabot> element used in strong lightweight alloys (as for airplane
20:30:38 <lambdabot> parts); the main sources are rutile and ilmenite [syn:
20:30:38 <lambdabot> {titanium}, {Ti}, {atomic number 22}]
20:31:17 <fizzie> /taɪˈteɪniəm/ oh, right, I guess it just drops the initial t. Makes sense.
20:31:41 <int-e> I pronounce it ee-tanium, partly because I'm from Germany.
20:33:15 <int-e> Are there any Transmeta like architectures left? Or any other VLIW survivors?
20:37:56 <Jafet> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FR-V but they seem to no longer be used for supercomputers
20:38:01 <fizzie> There are some VLIW(-ish) DSPs, I think.
20:39:40 <fizzie> E.g. the TI TMS320C6x series, there's one of those in my phone.
20:42:15 <int-e> Oh Wikipedia seems to be helpful for once. "Embedded VLIW products are available from several vendors, including the FR-V from Fujitsu, the BSP15/16 from Pixelworks, the ST231 from STMicroelectronics, the TriMedia from NXP, the CEVA-X DSP from CEVA, the Jazz DSP from Improv Systems, and Silicon Hive. The Texas Instruments TMS320 DSP line has evolved, in its C6xxx family, to look more like a VLIW, in contrast to the earlier...
20:43:10 <fizzie> "Outside embedded processing markets, Intel's Itanium IA-64 EPIC and Elbrus 2000 appear as the only examples of a widely used VLIW CPU architectures."
20:43:13 <fizzie> (Also from said page.)
20:43:46 <Bike> dsps continue to be weird ass shit, i see
20:44:58 <int-e> DSPs are special; they only run inner loops so code bloat (and corresponding hogging of a memory bus, and often they have separate code and data memory anyway) is less of an issue.
20:46:10 <int-e> Perhaps they should mention GPUs, too.
20:46:30 <fizzie> "VLIWs also gained significant consumer penetration in the GPU market, though both Nvidia and AMD have since moved to RISC architectures in order to improve performance on non-graphics workloads."
20:46:31 <int-e> (the failed Larrabee architecture aside)
20:48:03 <fizzie> TI C5x has a couple of specific "parallel" instructions, stuff like ST B, *AR4+0% || MPY *AR2+, B but that's not quite even LIW since, despite the fancy syntax, it's just a single "compound" instruction.
20:50:45 <Jafet> Is there a name for the kind of architecture used by GPUs? I use "SIMD for morons" but it's not very suitable for a polite setting
20:51:35 <fizzie> For the record, that does "write old value of B to memory pointed by AR4, then increment AR4 by AR0 except modulo some registers; meanwhile, compute the product of the value in memory at AR2 and the T register, store it as new value of B and post-increment AR2".
20:51:49 <Bike> why is it for morons
20:56:23 <Jafet> It seems to be SIMD disguised as some kind of multithreading--because, as everyone knows, multithreading is simpler and less confusing
20:56:48 <Jafet> Actually, the proper name seems to be "stream processing"
20:56:58 <elliott> http://www.yosefk.com/blog/simd-simt-smt-parallelism-in-nvidia-gpus.html
20:57:00 <Phantom_Hoover> MEANWHILE IN /R/BITCOIN: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23leue/sir_richard_branson_bitcoin_is_the_pioneer_of_a/cgyb3y3?context=3
20:57:46 <Bike> You realize the trolls and shills are just downvoting everything now. They don't want this sub to function at all, even if that means false flag attacking themselves.
20:58:20 <Bike> the lack of criticism of bitcoin is a conspiracy by bitcoin haters.
20:59:45 <Phantom_Hoover> bitcoin is actually a massive false-flag created by the nsa so they could practise their trolling
21:00:15 <kmc> that's just what they WANT you to think!!
21:00:22 <kmc> Phantom_Hoover: what do you think of newcombe's problem
21:00:30 <Jafet> That's just what the conspiracy theorists want you to think
21:00:35 <kmc> newcomb's problem I mean >_<
21:00:51 <Jafet> itt: GPU acceleration for homespring
21:03:39 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc, seems interesting, does it have anything to do with bitcoin or were you just thinking about it anyway
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21:06:09 <kmc> the latter
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21:12:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Rail]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39390&oldid=39389 * Kinnla * (+945) /* universal print */ new section
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21:32:05 <Phantom_Hoover> http://cynic.me/2014/04/18/why-rich-people-should-do-less-time-in-prison-than-poor-people/ ow ow ow why did i delve deeper into this blog
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21:32:51 <myname> i am kinda disapponted that none of the rail people are here
21:33:32 <HackEgo> faciatiocoin substrecoin haircoin indcoin barintcoin rfolucoin l332coin intercoin funacoin mkbl-lncoin tletcoin 6ixcoin breatumcoin woldcoin prishcoin estcoin ragencoin autioncomplingcoin codecoin ajlycoin
21:34:29 <Bike> Phantom_Hoover: "Yes," i think to myself, "From the title visible in the URL, I assume this will be an enlightening read, well worth my time I could be spending on video games."
21:34:51 <elliott> Bike: spoiler: it's not that rich people should do less time in prison, it's that tax is theft!
21:34:56 <elliott> I wish I was kidding but this is actually the punchline to the post.
21:35:47 <Jafet> The tax curve should be adjusted so that the 99% poorest people are below it
21:40:38 <Bike> progressive tax is punishing the rich for being rich, jafet
21:41:35 <Jafet> Mansions create jobs
21:46:37 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Rail]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39391&oldid=39390 * Myname * (+205)
21:46:54 <kmc> prisons create jobs too
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22:00:37 <kmc> that's why it's important to lock people up for owning a small amount of a plant
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22:05:10 <boily> Bike: I metaphorically hate you.
22:06:22 <boily> my legs hurt. first day of the year riding a bike.
22:06:31 <Bike> boily: i present you with an apology gift https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAsPeY8BsQU
22:10:08 <myname> Bike: how is that a gift?
22:10:26 <Bike> well he's probably forgotten about his legs
22:11:02 <boily> I AM FINE" EVERYTHING IS FINE" ALL IS WELL" ALL HAIL FUNGOOOOOOOOOÓÓÓÓT¨¨¨
22:11:15 <kmc> awesome, I just installed gnome-terminal and the default color scheme is black on black
22:11:18 <kmc> i love desktop linux
22:11:36 <myname> sounds a tiny little bit like irony
22:11:40 <boily> kmc: oh, I never managed to get that one.
22:12:52 <Jafet> Try the bob dylan color scheme
22:13:05 <boily> Jafet: what is a bob dylan colour scheme?
22:13:13 <boily> quintopia: quinthellopia.
22:14:13 <oerjan> the answer, boily, is blowing in the wind
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22:17:50 <Jafet> If you didn't like the bob dylan color scheme, I guess you'll just need to go with amy winehouse.
22:19:21 <kmc> i see a red terminal and i want it painted black
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22:21:37 <int-e> at least black on black is easy on the eyes
22:24:26 <int-e> (Maybe they were inspired by the peril sensitive sunglasses from the Hitchhiker's trilogy?)
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22:33:55 <Jafet> Hmm, I just saw someone send a message before entering the channel.
22:34:19 <Jafet> What kind of network setup even allows that.
22:36:05 <int-e> Hmm. Two ideas: a) a client might delay displaying joins to be able to combine several of them into a single line
22:36:12 <int-e> b) a channel might not have +n set.
22:38:49 <int-e> Otherwise I agree; messages related to the same client /should/ not be transmitted out of order by an IRC network, which classically had an acyclic graph topology.
22:38:51 <Jafet> I think +n is default on freenode
22:39:03 <int-e> But is that true for Freenode?
22:39:11 <int-e> (The topology thing)
22:40:19 <Jafet> Could be some weird network load balancing thing.
22:40:21 <boily> fungot: what is freenode's topology?
22:40:22 <fungot> boily: mr president, i would say to you that thanks to a deeper level of cooperation and not, therefore, undeniable that parliament is entitled to their say and to be handled under the commission's aegis.
22:40:50 <boily> fungot: what's an ægis?
22:40:50 <fungot> boily: this is a transitional period, the epidemiology of rabies in cats and dogs from nearly 500 in 1991 to just 5 in 1998. a systematic survey of the situation.
22:41:21 <boily> fungot: oh. so a deeply cooperative topology over a transitional period. poor cats and dogs, but if IRC is a stake, then so be it.
22:41:21 <fungot> boily: i wish to begin by congratulating the rapporteur, mrs fnord buitenweg, is basically supporting israel's barbaric behaviour. i can see, however, since, for example in the case of mr kostas kastanias and other people who are now to be reduced significantly. that, of course, enforcement of measures is a great mistake to confuse the two.
22:42:06 <boily> fungot: ah. lets unleash the SPCA on the vile Mrs. Fnord Buitenweg, for applying cruel measures to network communication!
22:42:06 <fungot> boily: mr president, this is an intolerable situation! he must either resign or tell us who does what, and can be adhered to in all places where the citizens of europe and beyond in the coming years for precisely this reason that this parliament will see fit to accept it.
22:42:12 <lexande> kmc, Bike: i have given the newcomb's problem question (with $1 and 1¢) to people twice and predicted them correctly both times
22:47:31 <Bike> and what were the resutls
22:48:15 <Bike> a client might delay displaying joins to be able to combine several of them into a single line <-- you know, this would actually be kind of nice, but just in the rendering
22:48:20 <lexande> one of them one-boxed and got $1, one of them two-boxed and got 1¢
22:49:00 <lexande> of course many people in my reference class consider 1¢ to be of zero or negative value
22:49:20 <Jafet> You should apply for a bigger grant
22:49:23 <shachaf> lexande: what is your prediction for me
22:49:28 <Bike> http://www.americanladderinstitute.org/Standards.aspx only $200
22:49:29 <kmc> i,i people in my reference prototype
22:49:47 <int-e> Oh! What a nice problem.
22:49:49 <kmc> lexande: where's that comic about ladders
22:50:20 <lexande> kmc: http://unnecessaryinsufficient.wordpress.com/2012/03/21/ladder/ this one?
22:50:40 <Bike> good punchline
22:52:37 <int-e> (The concept of an accurate predictor is ... interesting.)
22:53:00 <kmc> it doesn't have to be that good though
22:53:17 <kmc> and our entire civilization is based on agents imperfectly predicting each other
22:53:41 <oerjan> hm SCIgen is like a CAPTCHA for science journals :P
22:53:58 <Jafet> Does the problem change if the test subject knows that you base your predictions on what the previous test subjects picked
22:53:59 <kmc> lexande: so is there empirical evidence that following acausal decision theory in real-world situations produces better outcomes?
22:56:52 <Bike> oerjan: a pretty good one, evidently
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22:59:38 <boily> oerjan: you reminded me of my Duty. thørjan.
23:00:06 <oerjan> do i remind you of your duty simply by existing
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23:02:12 <lexande> Bike: well, few fake journals were even trying to defeat this captcha
23:03:10 <boily> oerjan: you'd be the knot in my handkerchief if I had one.
23:03:23 <lexande> maybe some will implement automated checks for scigen papers now
23:06:23 <oerjan> lexande: that was discussed in the logs
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23:06:40 <oerjan> apparently springer is introducing one
23:07:45 <boily> oerjan: if I had a nice silken handkerchief, I'd keep it extra clean. probably put some shiny brocade on it. with my initials, in a nice blackletter font.
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23:08:13 <lexande> what is the point of a hankerchief if you keep it extra clean
23:08:17 <Jafet> http://www.springer.com/about+springer/media/statements?SGWID=0-1760813-6-1460747-0 "An automatic SCIgen detection system is being integrated in Springer’s submission check system, and we will offer this system to our conference proceedings partners, who will be trained in its use."
23:09:39 <boily> lexande: decoration, class, just for having something silky on you...
23:09:53 <boily> (you never know, it may save the day one time! just like regexpes!)
23:10:07 <lexande> boily: handkerchiefs go in your pocket
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23:10:16 <lexande> unless you are using them to make something else less dirty
23:10:42 <lexande> regexpes save my day all the time
23:10:44 <boily> you know, with very high-class tuxedoes, that thing in the breast pocket?
23:10:51 <kmc> smoke regexps every day
23:10:57 <lexande> their banach-tarski nature notwithstanding
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