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00:00:13 <zzo38> How many bombs would be required to destroy not only the entire Earth but damage much of the solar system?
00:01:09 <Bicyclidine> http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/docs1/00329010.pdf godspeed, zzo
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00:02:05 <zzo38> Hopefully they don't make such bomb
00:03:34 <zzo38> It won't load
00:04:07 <Bicyclidine> It's a paper from the Manhattan Project about how many nukes you'd need to ignite the atmosphere.
00:04:12 <Bicyclidine> of earth.
00:04:17 <zzo38> OK
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00:40:36 <Phantom_Hoover> blitter64, are you bik
00:40:39 <Phantom_Hoover> e
00:40:47 <Phantom_Hoover> that is, are you bike
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01:00:43 <Bike> negatory
01:07:14 <Phantom_Hoover> damn
01:07:22 <Phantom_Hoover> bike are you Bike
01:07:29 <Bike> unknown
01:13:03 <Sgeo> I thin I might love npmjs. Shame about its security record though
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02:11:16 <Sgeo> Suppose your project a has dependencies on b and c. b has a depenedecy on z version 1, c has a dependency on z version 2.
02:11:19 <Sgeo> npm can handle that.
02:12:15 <Bike> can npm feed me cheesy potatoes?
02:13:07 <fowl> Sgeo, why is that special? when you load dependencies like var localname = require("somefile"), it _should_ handle that
02:14:26 <fowl> with no extra work
02:20:09 <Sgeo> fowl: because a lot of languages don't work like that
02:20:20 <Sgeo> I know Lua does, at least when used in nginx
02:20:59 <fowl> lua and limbo from plan9 are the only others i know of
02:22:18 <Sgeo> Now I have to learn Limbo, don't I
02:22:20 <Jafet> How does that loader choose the version to load?
02:23:12 <Sgeo> The dependencies are installed in a subdirectory node_modules relative to the project. And those dependencies themselves have node_modules directories
02:23:13 <Sgeo> etc.
02:23:23 <Sgeo> So, a waste of space, but what's more important?
02:24:30 <fowl> i wouldnt call that a waste of space lol
02:24:43 <Sgeo> http://nodejs.org/api/modules.html#modules_loading_from_node_modules_folders
02:24:53 <fowl> its a good thing to do, bundler does it for ruby
02:24:56 <Jafet> Well, it's easy to not have to deal with dependencies if you don't want any of the benefits of dependencies.
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02:37:22 <zzo38> Do you know what the 2D barcodes on bank statements are? Whoever I asked at the bank, said they didn't know their purpose. They are not a QR code; I can see that much at least. I can also see that it seems too small to encode all the data of the bank statement.
02:38:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[List of ideas]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39755&oldid=39750 * Zzo38 * (+49)
02:42:33 <Sgeo> OF COURSE npm uses HTTP and not HTTPS
02:42:36 <Sgeo> >:C
02:43:03 <Bike> shame about its security record though
02:43:49 <Sgeo> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7443861
02:55:31 <Sgeo> Does cabal use http?
02:55:38 <Sgeo> Someone in the node channel claimed so
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03:18:31 <^v> `unidecode ▚
03:18:31 <HackEgo> ​[U+259A QUADRANT UPPER LEFT AND LOWER RIGHT]
03:26:34 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Rand.Next()]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39756&oldid=39753 * Malltog * (+0) Changed 'mush' to 'much'
04:18:13 <newsham> "curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh
04:18:29 <newsham> what could possibly go wrong? pipe some web page directly to a shell, dont use https. no problem!
04:18:43 <Sgeo> "I think the beauty of node.js, and a lot of other modern js technologies, is if you're one of the (majority) of developers out there who write just enough javascript to get back to their "real" code, then the first moment they start writing in node, they'll be forced to confront the fact that their code is horrible."
04:18:55 <Sgeo> Maybe node will be helpful for me
04:18:56 <Bike> modern js technologies
04:18:59 <Bike> the saddest phrase
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04:43:19 <zzo38> I have managed to fix SQLite to allow renaming views and to make EXPLAIN output containing "Program" instructions to include the name of the trigger program. Does anyone other than me would find such thing useful?
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05:57:01 <zzo38> What happen if you extend a type system with types corresponding to equations of natural numbers and operations on them?
06:19:00 <Bike> diophantines?
06:20:36 <zzo38> Like that, except that the value of variables are done by type variables
06:27:33 <oerjan> <Sgeo> Does cabal use http? <-- yep. https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/936
06:27:54 <oerjan> @tell Sgeo <Sgeo> Does cabal use http? <-- yep. https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/936
06:27:55 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
06:28:01 <Sgeo> Thanks
06:28:22 <oerjan> they're not considering it very urgent, either :(
06:29:55 <oerjan> (also the person claiming an actual attack in that thread is a troll.)
06:30:41 <oerjan> they don't even have signatures. :(
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06:38:49 <Sgeo> http://wtfjs.com/2013/02/12/obfuscated-fibonacci
06:42:55 <Sgeo> wtfjs is itself a bit wtfy sometimes
06:43:27 <Sgeo> http://wtfjs.com/2011/05/12/parseInt-is-not-eval
06:43:33 <Sgeo> No shit, sherlock?
06:47:15 <Bike> Sgeo: http://www.mathworks.com/help/matlab/ref/str2num.html
06:47:53 <Sgeo> buh....wuh.... "Accelerating the pace of engineering and science"... into a wall, I assume
06:48:07 <Bike> basically.
06:48:41 <Bike> i guess it's because they wanted it to parse arrays and complexes and stuff. but didn't feel like moving out the parser.
06:48:45 <Sgeo> Oh, str2double is safe
06:49:03 <Sgeo> But still not great to not make it obvious that str2num is unsafe
06:49:30 <Bike> well, that box warning is even more prominent in t he in-IDE docs.
06:49:45 <Bike> i was looking for a number reader, found str2num, recoiled, and used str2double instead.
06:50:04 <Sgeo> People aren't likely to use this language without an IDE?
06:50:10 <Sgeo> I use Notepad++ for Javascript all the time
06:50:37 <Bike> matlab? not its intended userbase, no
06:50:57 <Bike> the IDE is actually pretty good, other than hanging when the listener does
06:51:40 <Sgeo> Is its intended userbase likely to understand the warning?
06:51:49 <Sgeo> And its implications?
06:52:08 <Bike> nope
06:52:57 <Bike> matlab is almost entirely used for very domain-specific research code, so it's not a security dealie or nothin
06:54:44 <Bike> still funny as shit mind
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07:00:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[RAGE!!!]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39757&oldid=39751 * Oerjan * (-169) Fix the blank lines
07:07:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Rand.Next()]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39758&oldid=39756 * Oerjan * (+43) unsigned
07:13:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/move]] move * Oerjan * moved [[Onecode]] to [[Onecode (Iconmaster)]]: Name now duplicated
07:13:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/move]] move * Oerjan * moved [[Talk:Onecode]] to [[Talk:Onecode (Iconmaster)]]: Name now duplicated
07:16:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Onecode]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39763&oldid=39760 * Oerjan * (+47) IIRC this is our second disambiguation page ever
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07:21:27 <myname> maybe we should add a category for disambiguation pages :>
07:21:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Onecode]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39764&oldid=39762 * Oerjan * (+34) I don't think this should be a redirect, make it a text link instead
07:22:19 <oerjan> myname: maybe a _tiny_ bit early.
07:22:33 <myname> also, what happens if i dedide to make two languages by the same name
07:22:52 <myname> "this may be: Foo (myname) or Foo (myname)"
07:24:37 <oerjan> the second would then be Foo (myname cannot name things properly I)
07:24:49 <oerjan> hth
07:24:54 <myname> challenge considered
07:26:16 <oerjan> the third would be Foo (myname still cannot name things properly so we banned him) hth
07:26:26 <oerjan> possibly with the hth included
07:26:53 <oerjan> (at which point elliott bans me)
07:27:45 <myname> i just thought of a language that uses "foo hth" as "return foo" and twh as a function call...
07:28:09 <oerjan> sounds inevitable when you put it that way.
07:28:20 <myname> why?
07:29:08 <oerjan> ok it sounds inevitable whether or not you put it that way hth
07:29:59 * oerjan considers neither confirming nor denying that he planned this all along.
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07:32:02 <myname> okay, next idea: 3 languages called VVV, WV and VW, what wouldn't be disambiguous AT ALL!
07:32:38 <oerjan> ꙮ KAY
07:33:50 <myname> i do think banning for 3 languages with the same name is harsh, though
07:34:23 <oerjan> well it's to nip it in the bud
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07:42:03 <myname> also, i am going to make a small presentation about esolangs. i thought about 3 main categories: senseless, art, math
07:42:07 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:RAGE!!!]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39765&oldid=39752 * Oerjan * (+213) no space left
07:42:10 <myname> any suggestions/objections?
07:43:01 <oerjan> you're missing pure evil hth
07:43:18 <myname> oerjan: do you have an example language for that?
07:43:21 <myname> malbolge?
07:44:25 <oerjan> that would be one. although if you look in Category:Shameful you might find some others.
07:44:56 <myname> :D
07:44:56 <oerjan> (disclaimer: there is no Category:Shameful hth)
07:45:05 <myname> there should be!
07:45:16 <myname> i'd put german in there
07:45:25 <oerjan> no, we have clearly decided that it should not exist hth
07:45:30 <myname> although i will list it at senseless
07:45:41 <myname> what
07:46:41 <oerjan> i suggest you visit the page for it for some clarity why it doesn't exist hth
07:49:37 <myname> that doesn't make much sense
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07:50:13 <oerjan> neither do the languages in that category
07:50:37 <oerjan> also you may be meta-humoristically challenged
07:52:02 <oerjan> and thus in fine company
07:55:10 <myname> i do like meta-humor. at least that part of it that i understand
07:57:48 <zzo38> A category can contain files even though the category file itself is not exist
07:57:51 <zzo38> So, it is OK
07:58:45 <zzo38> Describe what you plan to make in presentation? I am not sure such three are sufficient category. But, perhaps INTERCAL should also be included?
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08:00:20 <myname> maybe i should add "humour" as a fourth one
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08:10:44 <myname> question is: at which point?
08:13:24 <myname> zzo38: where would you put INTERCAL?
08:14:13 <zzo38> I don't know!!!
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08:25:08 <myname> okay!
08:25:27 <myname> i could add a category INTERCAL :p
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09:26:17 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Onecode]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39766&oldid=39763 * GermanyBoy * (+14) added template
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11:00:02 <Taneb> Aaaah
11:00:26 <Taneb> I am scared that I am too incompetent to do things I want to do so I find myself unable to even try
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11:02:18 <Taneb> Also today was a terrible day to wear shorts
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11:08:31 <mhi^> Dunning-Krueger is calling!
11:11:41 <Taneb> mhi^, this is something I have never even attempted before
11:11:49 <Taneb> So I probably am going to be incompetent
11:11:53 <Taneb> (wig styling)
11:13:30 <Taneb> Dunning-Kruger does not apply
11:13:35 <shachaf> Taneb: I must make you a credible wigmaker — and quickly.
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11:14:38 <shachaf> Taneb: There's tawny and there's golden saffron, / There's flaxen and there's blonde, / There's coarse and fine, / There's straight and curly, / There's gray, there's white, / There's ash, there's pearly, / There's corn-yellow, / Buff and ochre and / Straw and apricot...
11:16:05 <shachaf> With finer textures, / Ash looks fairer, / Which makes it rare, / But flaxen's cheaper...
11:16:22 <shachaf> i think this works better as a duet
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11:19:04 <Taneb> I am afraid I do not know my lyrics
11:19:41 <shachaf> your lyrics are mostly the same except shifted forward a bit
11:20:05 <shachaf> also i say things like "repeat that. repeat that!"
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12:25:19 <Melvar> > :t plusCommutative
12:25:21 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: parse error on input ‘:’
12:25:23 <Melvar> ( :t plusCommutative
12:25:24 <idris-bot> Prelude.Nat.plusCommutative : (left : Nat) -> (right : Nat) -> left + right = right + left
12:26:01 <Melvar> zzo38: Something like ↑?
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12:47:33 <Taneb> Procrastinatiiiiooon
12:47:49 <nortti> nation of procastination
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15:00:43 <int-e> The people of Procrasti hereby resolve to lodge a formal complaint with Taneb and nortti about their ridicule of Procasti's glorious nation... later.
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17:18:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Aithecomputerguy * New user account
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17:48:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Burn]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39767&oldid=20474 * Aithecomputerguy * (+1696)
17:49:36 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Burn]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39768&oldid=39767 * Aithecomputerguy * (+0)
17:50:10 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Burn]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39769&oldid=39768 * Aithecomputerguy * (+0) A guess.
17:50:29 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Aithecomputerguy]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39770 * Aithecomputerguy * (+3) Set up user page.
17:55:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Aithecomputerguy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39771&oldid=39770 * Aithecomputerguy * (+10) Added my first esoteric language
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19:05:24 <int-e> what's up with all those stupid programming language names that are common words. http://www.splasmata.com/?p=2798 has me wanting to duckduckgo "swift speed" to get a second opinion which obviously is doomed to failure.
19:05:59 <zzo38> I don't really think is necessarily so bad
19:07:10 <zzo38> In case of some that have Wikipedia articles, you can type in the name and then (programming language) and probably it will find it.
19:07:38 <Bike> i'm annoyed that this is going to outdo the birds
19:07:44 <Bike> birds > programming languages
19:07:59 <zzo38> I do not understand you.
19:08:04 <Slereah_> But Bike
19:08:06 <Slereah_> What about
19:08:13 <Slereah_> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Lazy%20Bird
19:08:37 <Bike> there is a species of bird called the "swift", zzo
19:08:58 <int-e> to mock a mockingbird (hmm. I should read that some time)
19:09:00 <Bike> there's no species called Lazy Bird, and i'm fond of to mock, so it's all good
19:09:16 <zzo38> O, that's what you mean.
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19:09:25 <Melvar> zzo38: Hey, by the types corresponding to equations of natural numbers, did you mean like:
19:09:27 <zzo38> But, many words are having multiple meanings.
19:09:32 <Melvar> ( :t plusCommutative
19:09:32 <idris-bot> Prelude.Nat.plusCommutative : (left : Nat) -> (right : Nat) -> left + right = right + left
19:10:09 <zzo38> Melvar: Yes, something like that, but without the (left : Nat) -> (right : Nat) -> at front
19:10:18 <int-e> zzo38: you're right of course that this is no more than a minor nuisance.
19:11:01 <int-e> (and it has been done before with BASIC)
19:11:48 <Melvar> ( \left : Nat, right : Nat => left + right = right + left
19:11:48 <idris-bot> \left => \right => plus left right = plus right left : Nat -> Nat -> Type
19:11:58 <int-e> Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought
19:12:14 <Melvar> zzo38: Like that?
19:12:40 <zzo38> Melvar: I guess so (but I also don't entirely undertsand such program)
19:12:44 <int-e> That suggests Okasaki's "Functional Data Structure" for "To Mock a Mockingbird", which I find amusing.
19:13:14 <Bike> ( (\left : Nat, right : Nat => left + right = right + left) 11 23
19:13:14 <idris-bot> 34 = 34 : Type
19:13:25 <Bike> ok.
19:13:40 <int-e> hmm. "Purely Functional Data Structures" is the right title.
19:14:39 <Melvar> zzo38: It’s a type synonym that’s indexed by two natural numbers, defined as the equality of the two numbers’ addition both ways.
19:15:08 <zzo38> Melvar: O, OK, yes I think that is like what I mean
19:15:15 <Bike> ( 7 : 34
19:15:15 <idris-bot> (input):1:3: error: expected: "$",
19:15:15 <idris-bot> "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***",
19:15:15 <idris-bot> "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/",
19:15:15 <idris-bot> "/=", ":+", ":-", "::", ":::",
19:15:15 <idris-bot> ":=", "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>",↵…
19:15:24 <Bike> i wanna see a value of type 34.
19:16:02 <Bike> ( 7 : (34 : Type)
19:16:02 <idris-bot> (input):1:3: error: expected: "$",
19:16:02 <idris-bot> "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***",
19:16:02 <idris-bot> "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/",
19:16:02 <idris-bot> "/=", ":+", ":-", "::", ":::",
19:16:02 <idris-bot> ":=", "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>",↵…
19:16:10 <Bike> no, wait, you use the, right
19:16:13 <Bike> ( the 34 7
19:16:13 <idris-bot> Can't resolve type class Num (fromInteger 34)
19:16:22 <Bike> bah.
19:16:25 <Bike> ( the (34 : type) 7
19:16:25 <idris-bot> (input):1:9: error: expected: "$",
19:16:26 <idris-bot> "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***",
19:16:26 <idris-bot> "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/",
19:16:26 <idris-bot> "/=", ":+", ":-", "::", ":::",
19:16:26 <idris-bot> ":=", "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>",↵…
19:16:39 <Bike> ( the (34 : Type) 7
19:16:39 <idris-bot> (input):1:9: error: expected: "$",
19:16:39 <idris-bot> "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***",
19:16:39 <idris-bot> "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/",
19:16:39 <idris-bot> "/=", ":+", ":-", "::", ":::",
19:16:39 <idris-bot> ":=", "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>",↵…
19:16:45 <Bike> alright sorry.
19:16:46 <Melvar> Bike: Natural numbers are not types.
19:17:01 <Melvar> You can just index types with anything, not just other types.
19:17:02 <Bike> oh the type is actually 34 = 34, huh.
19:17:05 <Melvar> > :doc (=)
19:17:08 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: parse error on input ‘:’
19:17:12 <Melvar> ( :doc (=)
19:17:12 <idris-bot> Data type = : ({A0} : Type) -> ({B0} : Type) -> A -> B -> Type
19:17:12 <idris-bot> The propositional equality type. A proof that x = y.
19:17:12 <idris-bot> To use such a proof, pattern-match on it, and the two equal things will then need to be the same pattern.
19:17:12 <idris-bot> Note: Idris's equality type is heterogeneous, which means that it is possible to state equalities between values of potentially different types. This is
19:17:12 <idris-bot> sometimes referred to in the literature as "John Major" equality.↵…
19:17:27 <Melvar> ( :doc refl
19:17:27 <idris-bot> refl : x = x
19:17:27 <idris-bot> A proof that x in fact equals x. To construct this, you must have already shown that both sides are in fact equal.
19:17:27 <idris-bot> Arguments:
19:17:27 <idris-bot> (implicit) {A0} : Type -- the type at which the equality is proven
19:17:27 <idris-bot> (implicit) {x0} : A -- the element shown to be equal to itself.
19:17:31 <Bike> ( the (34 = 34) 7
19:17:31 <idris-bot> Can't resolve type class Num (fromInteger 34 = fromInteger 34)
19:17:50 <Melvar> ( the (34 = 34) refl
19:17:50 <idris-bot> refl : 34 = 34
19:18:12 <Melvar> The only constructor of (=) is refl.
19:19:28 <FireFly> is `the` a bit like the :: syntax in Haskell, except it being a function and whatnot?
19:19:40 <FireFly> ( :doc the
19:19:41 <idris-bot> the : (a : Type) -> (x : a) -> a
19:19:41 <idris-bot> Manually assign a type to an expression.
19:19:41 <idris-bot> Arguments:
19:19:41 <idris-bot> a : Type -- the type to assign
19:19:41 <idris-bot> x : a -- the element to get the type
19:21:44 <Melvar> FireFly: It’s a bit like saying “(id :: Foo -> Foo) foo”. You’re passing the type explicitly to a version of the identity function.
19:21:52 <Melvar> ( the Integer
19:21:52 <idris-bot> id : Integer -> Integer
19:22:13 <Melvar> Apparenty it’s even defined that way. Huh.
19:22:18 <Melvar> ( the Nat
19:22:18 <idris-bot> id : Nat -> Nat
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19:22:55 <FireFly> ( :src the -- probably doesn't work, but worth a try
19:22:55 <idris-bot> Command "src" not permitted.
19:23:07 <FireFly> I should learn Idris
19:23:54 <Bike> the type value = (the ((->) type type)) value, obviously
19:24:43 <Melvar> ( the (Nat -> Nat) id 42
19:24:43 <idris-bot> 42 : Nat
19:24:48 <oerjan> `addquote <int-e> The people of Procrasti hereby resolve to lodge a formal complaint with Taneb and nortti about their ridicule of Procasti's glorious nation... later.
19:24:50 <HackEgo> 1204) <int-e> The people of Procrasti hereby resolve to lodge a formal complaint with Taneb and nortti about their ridicule of Procasti's glorious nation... later.
19:26:08 <Bike> ( (\t : Type => t -> t) Integer
19:26:09 <idris-bot> Integer -> Integer : Type
19:26:15 <Bike> nice, nice
19:26:31 <FireFly> "the _ = id" heh
19:26:55 <oerjan> ( the _ 1
19:26:55 <idris-bot> 1 : Integer
19:27:06 <Melvar> FireFly: http://eb.host.cs.st-andrews.ac.uk/writings/idris-tutorial.pdf ← Official tutorial in case you were serious.
19:28:47 <FireFly> Thanks
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19:29:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Warpdrive]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39772 * Aithecomputerguy * (+2330) Created page with "[[Warpdrive]] is a language created by [[User:Aithecomputerguy|aithecomputerguy]] that is very loosely based off of cellular automata. It's name comes from the idea of going f..."
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21:56:00 <zzo38> O, they use Famitracker. It can be compiled into NSF too
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22:05:35 <Official_Pants> I cant make an account on esolangs.org
22:06:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Official Pants * New user account
22:07:20 <Official_Pants> Wait, It worked. Never mind!
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