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04:01:25 <Sgeo> "Yay, more of C++'s good ideas being ported over. This is the only other language I've heard of that actually realizes how amazing RAII is."
04:02:07 <Bike> "No class is established by its own action, even though its ascent is organized and accompanied by a conscious struggle. This holds true for the new class in Communism."
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04:55:51 <Bike> intrusion countermeasure electronics
04:56:04 <Bike> good job, though
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05:02:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[C++]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39995 * 204.16.68.130 * (+8) Created page with "Fuck C++"
05:03:07 <Bike> incredible satire
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05:12:48 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39996&oldid=39994 * Ehird * (-10) Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/204.16.68.130|204.16.68.130]] ([[User talk:204.16.68.130|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:GermanyBoy|GermanyBoy]]
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07:48:33 <Taneb> Goooooooooooood morning
07:49:43 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Pyth]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39997 * Isaacg * (+1705) Created page
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16:17:24 <mroman> well.... they've requested an A for my bachelor thesis :)
16:18:34 <mroman> (A's require formal approval from the university)
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16:19:26 <mroman> (i.e. profs can't giv you an A without approval of the university)
16:20:20 <mroman> (Assuming A is the highest possible mark)
16:20:34 <mroman> We conventiently use numbers :)
16:23:08 <Taneb> mroman, tentative congratulations
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16:51:35 <boily> mroman: nice! and what is it a thesis on?
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16:59:51 <boily> quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIAAAAAAAAAA!
17:09:51 <mroman> boily: parallel crowd simulation
17:13:51 <boily> this sounds modernartingly ambiguous...
17:14:32 <Bicyclidine> nah, you just say they're a liquid crystal and go from there
17:14:43 <mroman> It was about parallelizing a pedestrian simulation model.
17:15:58 <boily> makes sense. what kind of scale? like, a few millions here and there?
17:16:31 <mroman> The goal was to beat 15k
17:16:54 <mroman> however, that's on a grid of 10 computers
17:17:44 <mroman> thank you for misreading ;)
17:18:31 <elliott_> do you want your simulated mio to be lonely
17:19:44 <boily> all the parallonely mios, being simulated...
17:19:48 <elliott_> i'm arresting you for crimes against animes
17:21:10 <fizzie> We go 1-5 for master's theses, and I think 5 might've needed to be separately okay'd by some person of authority.
17:22:09 * boily slow claps with a pair of wooden cubes
17:22:41 <elliott_> is mio actually used for millions in english at all
17:23:37 <Bicyclidine> "as a unit indicator in the financial markets" supposedly
17:26:06 <zzo38> How common is a executable file smaller than a C source code of the program?
17:26:35 <int-e> . o O ( well-documented code )
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17:29:42 <mroman> elliott_: don't know @Mio
17:29:57 <zzo38> int-e: I am not so sure; 192 lines contain comments out of 1939 in total.
17:30:24 <zzo38> But, I think it is probably a good number of comments and that how many comments is a good number depends much on the program.
17:33:26 <int-e> zzo38: even without comments or large char array constants, a lot of things don't have to be larger than their C equivalent when compiled. x++; with some luck, could become a single byte. I've never really thought about it.
17:34:15 <zzo38> int-e: Yes, it does seem like that to me. I have also used -s -O2 and marked any subroutines used only once as inline.
17:34:55 <zzo38> In this case, the program is AmigaMML and the source code is 55353 bytes long and the executable is 45568 bytes long.
17:35:00 <elliott_> gcc is a lossy compression algorithm
17:35:48 <zzo38> Isn't it only lossy if you do stuff which is undefined?
17:36:02 <int-e> hint: don't try maintaining the binary just because it's smaller
17:36:02 <Bicyclidine> No. Like, it might not preserve variable names.
17:36:38 <int-e> whitespace, comments, order of statements ...
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17:36:59 <zzo38> Yes, of course it won't preserve variable names and that kind of stuff, although the program's function is preserved.
17:36:59 <Bicyclidine> You could definitely come up with semi-pathological examples that hit the pigeonhole. like preprocessor wonderfulness, obv
17:37:20 <int-e> zzo38: ironically marking the functions as inline made the source code larger
17:37:23 <zzo38> (Unless it is undefined)
17:37:30 <zzo38> int-e: Yes, a few bytes, I know
17:37:59 <zzo38> int-e: Of course I don't try maintaining the binary just because it's smaller; it isn't cross-platform, for one thing!
17:38:19 <int-e> you could write an emulator
17:38:24 <int-e> but yes, that was just silly.
17:39:53 <zzo38> Of course there are programs that run on emulators. When writing a program for Famicom I will use assembly language, which is of course going to be much larger than the binary (unless it includes stuff to generate a lot of stuff before writing out the ROM image)
17:40:34 <zzo38> I actually have two programs, AmigaMML and Amigasam; the second one has smaller source-codes than executable.
17:40:59 <mroman> GCC even copies part of functions to different locations afaik
17:41:19 <mroman> For alignment stuff and relative jumps etc.
17:42:06 <zzo38> Yes I can see how it helps. Due to optimization, it might hardly resemble the source-codes at all.
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18:23:15 <zzo38> Macros and cross-platform are two of the important reasons by optimizations are needed.
18:23:18 <fizzie> http://sprunge.us/LdXG the attack of the Perl module dependencies.
18:24:18 <mroman> Who the hell rips german movies to provide it with chinese subtitles
18:24:47 <boily> people who have a chinese subtitle fetish?
18:25:11 <boily> (oh, look at that diǎn stroke, baby!)
18:26:47 <mroman> It's probably easier to rip an english movie and then provide chinese subtitles
18:27:24 <zzo38> I was trying to combine poker game with chess game, but now I realized, actually the way I need to do is different: combine poker with Sirlin's chess, shogi, and Washizu mahjong.
18:27:25 <mroman> mainly because the english movies are usually released months before the german one
18:29:58 <mroman> The fun thing about chinese characters is
18:30:12 <mroman> that they don't look weird anymore once you studied a language that has those
18:32:25 <zzo38> And also mahjong, which is also using Chinese writing on the tiles.
18:32:48 <zzo38> You can learn Chinese numbers and compass.
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19:29:36 <myname> what do i have to do to re-export methods from an imported module in haskell?
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19:29:58 <myname> i am getting a series of strange linking errors and i do think it might be related to that
19:30:52 <olsner> probably not, that would give you compile errors about importing things that weren't exported
19:33:09 <myname> here are a bunch of messages like ".text+0x...): undefined reference to `projectname0zi2zi0zi0zi_ImportedModule_Importedstuff_clusure`
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19:35:15 <olsner> meh, clean and rebuild?
19:36:24 <myname> cleaning seem to do the trick
19:37:07 <olsner> it's the build-problem equivalent of turning it off and on again
19:37:40 <myname> ok, cleaning does NOT do the trick
19:38:22 <olsner> but you just said it did
19:38:41 <myname> they come up pretty late at compiling
19:38:43 <int-e> meh, surely there must be a way of telling aptitude to upgrade everything except a couple of packages without putting those packages on hold in a separate command?!
19:39:30 <olsner> synaptic lets you select upgrades individually, maybe the text-gui in aptitude does too?
19:42:27 <boily> are you referring to the staging screen in aptitude where you can review what's going to be updated?
19:42:50 <olsner> not sure, haven't used it in ages
19:48:03 <int-e> boily: uhm. ok, thanks, I feel stupid now.
19:49:53 <myname> i have no idea what to do with these errors
19:50:17 <int-e> boily: I guess the question mark in the [Y/n/?] prompt was too subtle for me.
19:51:45 <olsner> I always expected ? to just explain that y means yes and n means no
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19:52:26 <shachaf> boily has aptitude aptitude
19:53:12 <olsner> boily brings the cow powers
19:53:54 <int-e> and re: the aptitude text ui: "Play Minesweeper", seriously?!
19:58:34 <boily> aptitude is da bomb. have a debiubuntan machine somewhere that you need to update? bam! aptitude.
19:59:05 <boily> ion: I concur. the weather's horrible right now, and my AC is having trouble catching up.
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20:00:40 <boily> fungotting thirty one. July 1st. we're going to have one hell of a hot summer...
20:00:40 <fungot> boily: still at it, especially fnord is interesting and very broadly applicable discussions that never reach the wider audience they deserve.
20:01:31 <boily> also, a bunch of TCUes incoming from the south. it's gonna hit hard, if it does.
20:06:10 <olsner> now that I've checked what those cow powers are, I realized why I forgot about it since last time I checked
20:06:44 <olsner> fungot: what do you do to get rid of information you no longer need?
20:06:44 <fungot> olsner: emacs lisp for a while
20:07:22 <metasepia> EFHK 011950Z 30005KT 9999 -RA FEW008 OVC060 12/11 Q1010 NOSIG
20:07:53 <fizzie> They're saying twenty (20!) next week, though.
20:08:36 <metasepia> LOWI 011950Z 27003KT 230V290 9999 FEW060 BKN100 15/13 Q1018 NOSIG
20:08:49 <int-e> 26 yesterday, 20 today
20:09:08 <olsner> the other day they were saying that the russian heat is coming in, followed by the russian cold
20:09:30 <fizzie> `addquote <olsner> fungot: what do you do to get rid of information you no longer need? <fungot> olsner: emacs lisp for a while
20:09:30 <fungot> fizzie: i could never manage to use it as described in sicp to support backtracking, but it
20:09:31 <HackEgo> 1209) <olsner> fungot: what do you do to get rid of information you no longer need? <fungot> olsner: emacs lisp for a while
20:09:46 <fungot> olsner: yubn etc i mean that you are still up since the fnord and their ilk. if you wrote fnord for three hours. great way to represent lists until you have one? does danvy have one?
20:11:38 <boily> fungot: what's a yubn?
20:11:38 <fungot> boily: your keyboard does not know any better.
20:12:03 <boily> fungot: seems like yours neither, you fungot.
20:12:04 <fungot> boily: but i'm pretty much like some secluded grove. just say your grandmother is a pretty odd thing to say...
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20:13:37 <fizzie> Secluded grove is a very good description of fungot.
20:13:38 <fungot> fizzie: it would rock even more if i could
20:16:00 <myname> what to do on cyclic dependencies in haskell modules?
20:16:20 <Taneb> Break out the loop!
20:16:20 <int-e> write .hs-boot files
20:16:46 <olsner> it's apparently a new module system being developed in ghc
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20:17:00 <olsner> or an extension to the existing one, I guess
20:17:47 <boily> quintopia: I went once, in... eh...
20:17:58 * boily counts on his fingers
20:17:59 <int-e> https://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/7.8.2/html/users_guide/separate-compilation.html#mutual-recursion
20:18:10 <boily> quintopia: I think it was in '98.
20:18:25 <Taneb> Oh wow, I have friends who live on the West Coast now, in like Liverpool
20:19:14 <olsner> boily: you must have a lot of fingers
20:20:21 <quintopia> olsner: he has more than enough knuckles
20:20:29 <olsner> myname: more seriously, just change the code so that there are no dependency loops
20:21:53 <elliott> usually easily done, too, it's just ugly
20:21:54 <quintopia> boily: that was a long time ago. you should go again.
20:21:55 <myname> obviously, ghc is not mart enough to build boot files itself
20:22:58 <boily> olsner: I only use some at a time. I keep others filed in a cabinet.
20:23:35 <quintopia> boily: i could use some more. can you mail me a few?
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20:24:21 <boily> I wonder if customs consider spare human fingers to be in the same category as yak cheese...
20:27:51 <Taneb> National Novel Generation Month?
20:28:16 <olsner> boily: I do believe human remains (usually) have special custom rules
20:28:20 <Taneb> Is that a computer generated novel?
20:29:18 <quintopia> Dial R for Ravens is a computer-generated novel!
20:36:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Rdebath]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40007&oldid=39886 * Rdebath * (+5641) /* Performance Matrix */
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20:43:44 <Taneb> Performance matrix of solidity?
20:45:22 <quintopia> it's the best performance matrix on the wki
20:47:02 <Taneb> Oh yes, that thing
20:47:31 <Taneb> I must confess I have not been paying too much attention to the the wiki recently
20:50:51 <ion> The four simultaneous matrices of solidity in each rotation
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21:55:15 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40008&oldid=39996 * 137.69.117.54 * (+11) Added Pyth
21:57:08 * oerjan is drawing a blank at the most recent yafgc comic.
21:59:30 <oerjan> hm the forum seems still to be working
21:59:38 * oerjan hasn't visited that before
22:00:36 <Taneb> I need more trousers
22:01:01 <oerjan> "When I try to go to the comic page, I get a lovingly rendered image of a polar bear eating vanilla ice cream in a snowdrift..."
22:05:14 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:2: parse error on input ‘|’
22:05:56 <idris-bot> (NS (UN "fromInteger") ["Classes", "Prelude"])
22:05:56 <idris-bot> (Bind (UN "class") (Pi (App (P (TCon 144 1) (NS (UN "Num") ["Classes", "Prelude"]) Erased) (V 0))) (Bind (UN "__pi_arg") (Pi (TConst BIType)) (V 2)))))↵…
22:06:30 <oerjan> are you trying to find the most expansive command
22:07:20 <Melvar> ( (\`(fromInteger ~n) => n) `(0)
22:07:20 <idris-bot> (input):1:27:When elaborating an application of constructor __infer:
22:08:08 <Melvar> `( ) is a quasiquotation, since a few days ago.
22:08:08 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: (: not found
22:08:29 <idris-bot> P (DCon 0 0) (MN 0 "__II") (P (TCon 0 0) (MN 0 "__Unit") (TType (UVar 6))) : TT
22:08:37 <idris-bot> here, expected: dependent type signature
22:08:38 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: (`(0))<EOF>: not found
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22:10:21 <Melvar> Indeed. The guy when questioned didn’t manage to come up with a reason that nested quasiquotes shouldn’t work. But for now they don’t.
22:10:38 <Bicyclidine> this is probably the most verbose quotation i've ever seen
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22:14:09 <Melvar> It’s the compiler’s internal representation of terms, with all the types and implicit arguments and universe levels and other cruft filled in properly.
22:15:02 <Bicyclidine> representation of syntax might be more... usable, is all
22:17:02 <Melvar> Not for the usecase this is for, apparently.
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22:25:09 <Melvar> There are a couple of things that allow you to use idris functions on reflected terms for compiler things, but pattern matching on the reflected terms is painful, so now we have quasiquotations to make it easy.
22:31:04 <boily> ~eval "Does it work? One two one two chicken"
22:31:05 <metasepia> "Does it work? One two one two chicken"
22:31:41 <idris-bot> P (DCon 0 0) (MN 0 "__II") (P (TCon 0 0) (MN 0 "__Unit") (TType (UVar 6))) : TT
22:31:49 <idris-bot> P (TCon 7 0) (MN 0 "__Unit") (TType (UVar 6)) : TT
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22:33:21 <Melvar> If we used surface syntax, overloaded things might also pose a bit of a problem.
22:38:44 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Smallfuck]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40009&oldid=23595 * Oerjan * (-59) Remove erroneous TC categories, there has been plenty of discussion why this is _not_ TC
22:46:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Braktif]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40010&oldid=39969 * Oerjan * (+450) /* Turing complete etc */ Never meant to be TC
22:53:13 <oerjan> ironically, the HackEgo announcements seem to have made me visit the wiki less often because now i don't have to do so just to know if there is spam...
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23:07:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Pyth]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40011&oldid=40001 * Oerjan * (+20) some proofreading
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23:38:56 <Taneb> (this is genuine excitement)
23:39:02 <Taneb> (I've never used a dryer before
23:40:15 <Taneb> With a clothes horse
23:40:15 <oerjan> <myname> what do i have to do to re-export methods from an imported module in haskell? <-- module ImportingModule (..., module ImportedModule, ...) where import ImportedModule; ...
23:40:40 <Taneb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothes_horse
23:40:51 <Taneb> oerjan, idk, it's what they're called
23:41:19 <oerjan> ic. well the first google image looks similar to what i use, anyway
23:41:48 <oerjan> or well not quite, my corrent one doesn't have crossed legs
23:43:11 <oerjan> @tell myname <myname> what do i have to do to re-export methods from an imported module in haskell? <-- module ImportingModule (..., module ImportedModule, ...) where import ImportedModule; ...
23:48:14 <oerjan> in my childhood home we had a homemade drying cabinet, i think that was pretty unusual
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23:49:20 <boily> Taneb: you decadent bourgeois! you are oppressing me, a honest worker with only a clothesline, with your dryerness!
23:50:12 <Taneb> boily, I have saved up all my life for this opportunity! How dare you invalidate my efforts?
23:51:04 <boily> I don't believe in driers!
23:51:14 <boily> (I'm also jealous, but that's besides the point.)
23:56:06 <metasepia> ENVA 012320Z VRB02KT CAVOK 10/08 Q1017 RMK WIND 670FT 34004KT
23:56:54 <metasepia> CYUL 012300Z 22015KT 15SM FEW030 FEW120 BKN220 30/21 A2959 RMK CU1AC1CI4 CU TR TCU ASOCTD SLP019 DENSITY ALT 2200FT
23:57:29 * boily heimlichly mapoles oerjan, as he seem to be chocking on some foreign body
23:57:31 <oerjan> 30 degrees is not healthy for a norwegian
23:57:41 <boily> eh, it's down from 31!
23:57:45 <oerjan> foreign weather, to be precise
23:57:48 <zzo38> Some people play Washizu mahjong with only the transparent tiles and ignoring the teams and hitpoints, although I think the teams and hitpoints is important to this game too, as well as the transparent tiles.
23:58:12 <zzo38> If you are playing stud poker, then most of your cards can be seen by other people, too.
23:59:29 <oerjan> <boily> fungotting thirty one. July 1st. we're going to have one hell of a hot summer... <-- i'm sorry, but that's the only way to get you north americans to take global warming seriously hth
23:59:29 <fungot> oerjan: but yeah, depends on coding style.