00:00:08 <oerjan> basically, turn up the heat until you either admit it's happening or die. your choice.
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00:02:47 <boily> I am in a negation mood! I deny dryers and global warming!
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00:03:23 <oerjan> way to make your fate being dying of drought, there
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00:10:10 <oerjan> `addquote <boily> I wonder if customs consider spare human fingers to be in the same category as yak cheese...
00:10:12 <HackEgo> 1210) <boily> I wonder if customs consider spare human fingers to be in the same category as yak cheese...
00:10:30 <oerjan> i have no idea why you said that, but it must be preserved
00:10:40 <oerjan> wait, it's obviously the heat
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00:11:41 <FireFly> boily: meanwhile, we have a surprisingly mild summer, and checking SMHI the whole country has been below average temperature for quite a while
00:11:48 <FireFly> we had a surprisingly mild winter too
00:12:49 <oerjan> our winter was burning cold
00:13:14 <oerjan> i did mention at the time
00:14:16 <FireFly> Here's what our december was like: http://www.smhi.se/klimatdata/meteorologi/2.1353/dailyTable.php?par=tmpAvvDay&yr=2013&mon=12
00:14:42 <FireFly> http://www.smhi.se/klimatdata/meteorologi/2.1353/dailyTable.php?par=tmpAvvDay&yr=2014&mon=6 here's the past month
00:15:55 <FireFly> The winter got more winter-y in january and february, though
00:17:02 <oerjan> for non-swedish reading people who may find those maps absurd, the colors are not absolute temperature, but difference from normal
00:21:21 * boily drinks a cold, cold beer
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01:21:45 <HackEgo> axtens: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
01:22:32 <axtens> some folk have a lot of time on their hands, going from the wisdom.pdf
01:23:15 <oerjan> but he got it from HackEgo's files
01:23:49 <oerjan> i added another one just today. by boily, fwiw
01:25:14 <boily> which time? what hands? my fingers are stuck at the customs :P
01:25:52 <oerjan> `` ? mad #this one might be clarifying hth
01:25:53 <HackEgo> bash: a: command not found
01:26:04 <oerjan> `` \? mad #this one might be clarifying hth
01:26:05 <HackEgo> "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
01:30:59 <axtens> logical fallacies abounding
01:31:35 <Bike> bounding from petal to petal with not a worldy care
01:32:30 <HackEgo> bash: fb: command not found
01:35:56 <axtens> there are some interesting phonetic spoonerisms in my city: Carabooda <-> barracuda
01:36:53 <boily> he's bypassing the The Question! already offering his approximate coördinates by himself!
01:37:55 <boily> I am shocked. I shall go to sleep.
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03:24:09 <Sgeo> Flashlight ad comes on, talking about how frustrating it is that flashlights can have dead batteries.... then talks about its product, and about its lens... wtf
03:24:46 <Sgeo> No mention of, oh, say, some crank to charge it, which would actually be relevant
03:27:27 <oerjan> i actually have a flashlight with a crank instead of battery in the storage room downstairs somewhere
03:28:03 <oerjan> s/downstairs/by the parking cellar/
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03:53:07 <quintopia> it may be relevant to talk about diodes and lenses in the context of dead batteries if your product runs at a lower power wrt light intensity than others, or drains less when it's off
03:53:53 <quintopia> it seems like i should be able to take a good LED flashlight and stand it up outside facing the sun and have it charge the battery
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08:09:39 <fizzie> I went to the library and asked the person there about a print time estimate given the dimensions (125 x 60 x 38 mm) and structure (set of 3 mm thick walls) of the piece of plastic I wanted to apparate. Six hours, they said. Them printers aren't terribly fast. (Not a surprise.)
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11:12:48 <fizzie> "The Very Large Telescope (VLT) is a telescope operated by the European Southern Observatory --" "The European Extremely Large Telescope (E-ELT) is a planned ground-based extremely large telescope for the optical/near-infrared range, to be built by the European Southern Observatory --" "The Overwhelmingly Large Telescope (OWL) was a conceptual design by the European Southern Observatory --"
11:12:54 <fizzie> They sure know how to name those.
11:13:00 <fizzie> (Came across via SatW.)
11:13:19 <fizzie> Also amusing: the Overwhelmingly Large Telescope was cancelled, due to being overwhelmingly large.
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14:40:29 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[DoubleFuck]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40014&oldid=39986 * 89.136.163.78 * (-9)
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15:25:42 <Bike> http://codepad.org/3woDkIdi hells yea.
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16:21:30 <fizzie> That seems to need an older Perl than what I've got. :/
16:24:42 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[SYCPOL]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40015&oldid=40006 * GermanyBoy * (+345) /* Procedures */ new section
16:25:09 <fizzie> It at least simplifies down to: http://codepad.org/N9yNyhnz
16:28:53 <fizzie> (Curiously picky, however. A $foo of ['x'] and ['anything'] both produce the version number, but [''] does not, and neither does ["x"].)
16:30:09 <fizzie> I don't know. Perhaps I should ask #perl.
16:31:36 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[SYCPOL]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40016&oldid=40015 * GermanyBoy * (+609) /* The structure of the program */ DOCUMENTATION SECTIONs
16:37:37 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Twocode]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40017&oldid=39749 * GermanyBoy * (+20) /* Onecode */
16:45:00 <TieSoul> Has someone made a Befunge variant similar to Brainloller?
16:45:12 <TieSoul> Because I want to try and create something like that
16:45:34 <TieSoul> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainloller
16:48:16 <fizzie> Category:Non-textual should contain it, if it's been categorized correctly.
16:48:46 <fizzie> There are a couple of other image-based things (Piet, of course) but I don't think I've heard of a specifically Befunge-y one.
16:49:46 <TieSoul> I'm thinking of having instructions be based on the sum of the RGB values of every pixel
16:50:28 <TieSoul> so that you can actually have art-like programs
16:51:35 <fizzie> Piet is based on relative changes in hue/lightness, so you can sort-of have artistic stuff, you just have to be careful about it. (Of course strict Piet has quite a limited palette, too.)
16:51:53 <fizzie> I did that http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=559 thing with it.
16:51:54 <b_jonas> TieSoul: so you want some sort of image steganography?
16:52:51 <TieSoul> I mean, it'd be possible to have image steganography that way.
16:52:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[SYCPOL]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40018&oldid=40016 * GermanyBoy * (+3) /* Computer architecture */ less repetition
16:53:52 <FireFly> You could base instructions on only the least significant bits of each channel
16:54:50 <TieSoul> That sounds really good actually
16:55:19 <TieSoul> although only 8 possible instructions could be made with that
16:55:30 <TieSoul> so least significant base-10 digit?
16:57:52 <TieSoul> Least significant base-10 digit of every channel sounds pretty good actually
16:58:20 <fizzie> If you only want the steganography thing without considering elegance or some-such, it's always possible to go with, say, least significant bits of 2x2 pixel cells; that's already 12 bits of data.
17:01:09 <TieSoul> Maybe (value % 7) for every channel? That'd make ASCII stringmode possible since there are 256 ASCII characters (right?) and 7 ** 3 == 343
17:01:27 <TieSoul> but that'd be the minimum for ascii stringmode
17:01:54 <TieSoul> It would also be annoying to program in
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17:04:59 <fizzie> Bike: zzo38: #perl explains that it boils down to $], which is an (old) special-variable for the version number; it's treating the 's in ['x'] as package separators (single quote is an old-fashioned replacement for Perl's ::) and then the package is essentially ignored for special variables, a misfeature corrected in v5.14,
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17:11:41 <TieSoul> okay, well, a base 7 image-based Befunge derivative sounds pretty cool :P
17:12:06 <zzo38> I have read about $] before. I think $] and those other special-variables are sensible features, although ' isn't and those other things doesn't make much sense to me
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17:14:26 <zzo38> What systems using AY-3-8910 are using the I/O ports?
17:16:13 <TieSoul> oh hey, a new version of Python 2.x got released yesterday :O
17:17:45 <b_jonas> zzo38: what? $] is just the perl version number. do you think of the old $[ ?
17:18:04 <zzo38> b_jonas: No, I mean $] I don't know what $[ means
17:19:11 <zzo38> The only use of the AY-3-8910's I/O ports that I know of is one that was never implemented or used anyways, which is this: http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/User:Zzo38/Mapper_A
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17:26:58 <fizzie> zzo38: $[ can (or could) be used to set the index of the first element of an array to something else than 0.
17:27:21 <FireFly> that eerily reminds me of APL's index offset variable
17:27:50 <zzo38> BASIC has OPTION BASE which does a similar thing
17:27:57 <fizzie> $[ = 1; # look I'm just like awk
17:28:38 <zzo38> But I think it is only for the variables declared after OPTION BASE and you can still specify explicitly each one anyways, in which case OPTION BASE is ignored.
17:30:22 <fizzie> The Perl $[ = 1; is also kind of weird, because it's recognized at compile time. (And the assigned value needs to be constant.)
17:32:04 <zzo38> Yes that does make it weird, although it does mean you can read $[ if you need to, I suppose (if it allow you). BASIC's OPTION BASE also is at compile time and need to be a constant, if you are making a compiled BASIC program.
17:32:55 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[SYCPOL]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40020&oldid=40019 * GermanyBoy * (+19) /* VISCIM-JA */ /'vɪʃ.kɪm.jɑ/
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18:36:05 <FreeFull> Pascal lets you start and end arrays at whatever indices you want
18:36:19 <FreeFull> And the index doesn't necessarily have to be an integer
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18:42:25 <zzo38> I think BASIC does the same although BASIC has no Enum types, so only integers can be used (although negative numbers are OK)
19:06:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Rdebath]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40021&oldid=40012 * Rdebath * (+1131) /* SBFI */
19:14:48 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Newton]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40022 * Lucasieks * (+381) Created page with "The newton language is simple. We have an apple. @ This apple is launched by an tree. & And if it passes by an mirror, it is rebated. _ | / \ When it passes by an inc + i..."
19:17:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Newton]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40023&oldid=40022 * Lucasieks * (+12)
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19:23:06 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Lucasieks]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40025&oldid=39816 * Lucasieks * (-1047) Replaced content with "Talk with me clicking on ' ''add topic'' '."
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21:39:06 <metasepia> CYUL 022100Z 22015G22KT 15SM SCT045TCU SCT120 BKN220 29/19 A2975 RMK TCU3AC1CI1 SLP075 DENSITY ALT 1900FT
21:39:15 <metasepia> EFHK 022120Z 26004KT 9999 FEW040 09/07 Q1010 NOSIG
21:39:22 <fizzie> Yay, it's almost TEN DEGREES.
21:39:34 <boily> it's colder today! only 29!
21:40:33 <fizzie> Daily high forecasts for the next ten days are 18, 20, 22, 22, 23, 24, 24, 24, 24, 25. So I guess it's going to be summer here too.
21:41:20 <zzo38> Do you like to commonly change your name in order to confuse yourself? (Not to confuse others, but yourself)
21:42:26 <boily> fizzie: we broke records yesterday. 33,2 °C.
21:42:48 <zzo38> I don't know what context.
21:43:37 <fizzie> boily: We broke records for June, too: the latter half of June was, on average, the coldest since the start of one set of daily measurements (in 1961) at almost all stations.
21:43:44 <fizzie> boily: "So much for that global warming!"
21:43:48 <boily> zzo38: like, getting a passport, applying for a job, playing some role plaing tabletops...
21:44:29 <boily> @tell oerjan <fizzie> boily: "So much for that global warming!" ← see, Finland June was cold.
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21:46:22 <fizzie> @tell oerjan Just the second half of June; overall averages across the whole month aren't that far off from the usual.
21:46:35 <zzo38> boily: Whatever way you prefer.
21:47:09 <fizzie> They had -6.2 °C somewhere in Lapland in Jun 17.
21:48:13 <boily> zzo38: I tend to be myself. it's a habit I'm tilling and nurturing, but sometimes I am also someone different, like when I am LARPING. I cease to be, instead becoming another un-me.
21:48:21 <boily> fizzie: preposterous.
21:48:39 <zzo38> boily: I mean your name, not your self.
21:50:29 <int-e> boily by any other name is just as strange?
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22:28:10 <metasepia> ESSA 022220Z 24008KT CAVOK 13/10 Q1010 NOSIG
22:28:38 <metasepia> ENVA 022220Z 29011KT CAVOK 15/10 Q1008 RMK WIND 670FT 28007KT
22:29:45 <lambdabot> boily said 45m 15s ago: <fizzie> boily: "So much for that global warming!" ← see, Finland June was cold.
22:29:45 <lambdabot> fizzie said 43m 22s ago: Just the second half of June; overall averages across the whole month aren't that far off from the usual.
22:30:19 <metasepia> EDDL 022220Z 07002KT CAVOK 13/09 Q1023 NOSIG
22:31:19 <oerjan> hah i guessed düsseldorf correctly
22:32:02 <Melvar> Only to such precision as an IP lookup would have told you, IIUC.
22:32:58 <oerjan> that was from the EDDL, not your ip hth
22:33:38 <Melvar> Yes, I’m just saying that the former is no more precise an indicator of where I live than the latter.
22:37:43 * boily goes getting himself passportly photographied
22:39:51 <oerjan> i think my passport expired this spring, i should renew it some time. of course i didn't actually _use_ it since i last renewed it 10 years ago.
22:40:42 <oerjan> also i would have to find where the old passport ended up after the move.
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22:44:29 <metasepia> CYVR 022200Z 12013G21KT 30SM FEW250 25/14 A2991 RMK CI1 TR CU SLP129 DENSITY ALT 1100FT
22:44:53 <zzo38> I do not understand a METAR code very well, unfortunately
22:48:58 <zzo38> I have a VCR/DVD with drive select, but it will not display the channel on the front display unless the VHS mode is selected (although it can still receive channels in any mode: VHS, DVD, SD, and USB)
22:50:07 <zzo38> So, I keep it on VHS when not using other modes, due to that. I don't know why it does that, but, that is how it does
22:50:58 <fizzie> At CYVR, second day of the month at 22:00 UTC, the wind direction is 120 degrees and speed 13 knots (21 knots in gusts), visibility 30 statute miles, few clouds at 25k feet, temperature 25 °C and a dew point of 14 °c, atmospheric pressure 29.91 inHg, and then some remarks ("RMK") I'm less sure about.
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23:02:21 <adu> why thank you channel, you're too kind
23:05:57 <adu> elliott: what is your favorite esolang?
23:08:43 <boily> fizzie: glad to see other METARdecoders in the chännel :D
23:09:30 <boily> (btw, 1/8th of the sky has cirruses, I forgot TR, cumulus, sea level pressure at 1012.9 hPa. density alt is something I don't understand yet.)
23:11:42 <adu> what is ///?
23:12:05 <fungot> http://esolangs.org/wiki////
23:13:21 <adu> // sounds like an abstract replacement engine
23:13:57 <adu> my favorite is Funge-98
23:14:05 <oerjan> the interesting thing is that it manages to be turing complete despite being so minimal
23:14:32 <adu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfram%27s_2-state_3-symbol_Turing_machine
23:14:43 <adu> is also minimal, but it's not very nice to program in
23:15:08 <oerjan> indeed. it also requires infinite setup which is somewhat dubious.
23:16:04 <oerjan> Alex Smith is a channel regular btw, but not here at the moment.
23:18:27 <oerjan> fungot: you can discuss funge-98 with adu
23:18:27 <fungot> oerjan: eval ( let ( ( a b). so much crap to pick up... it doesn't really matter what the purpose of the language.
23:18:51 <zzo38> fizzie: Thank you for information
23:19:06 <oerjan> fungot: i'm not sure you're thinking of the right language here. i'm referring to the one you are written in.
23:19:06 <fungot> oerjan: people have a hard to find, fix, as in first in any kind of technology, just for future reference, you should
23:19:20 <zzo38> Yes it seem to me, the temperature is as hot as 25, but the temperature is not reaching the basement, so, it is OK in basement.
23:20:53 <fungot> adu: so, basically check the websites for every implementation for the hack value counts for something, and submit it as a lambda
23:21:15 <adu> can you explain "hack value counts"?
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23:32:24 <fungot> FireFly: if () is false. this means, if azeroth really is a triple ( interface, set of loops, etc, although it does duplicate work in a machine learning course and reading the book
23:32:43 <oerjan> that makes it perfectly clear.
23:33:09 <adu> me thinks it's not explainable
23:33:47 <shachaf> fungot: can you explain "that makes it perfectly clear"?
23:33:47 <fungot> shachaf: the sse extensions are fnord.
23:33:51 <adu> oerjan: lolol
23:34:03 <fungot> shachaf: using scheme can u run online websites with database es? was part of a
23:34:25 <adu> me thinks fungot is high on crack
23:34:25 <fungot> adu: not exactly something like that. but even real scheme :p.
23:35:55 <boily> fungot is fungot. there's one fungot, and then you stop counting because that's all the fungot there is.
23:35:55 <fungot> boily: i'm not talking about quality of sound here), and then at the moment
23:36:04 <oerjan> yep high on scheme sounds about right
23:36:04 <FireFly> `addquote <adu> me thinks fungot is high on crack <fungot> adu: not exactly something like that. but even real scheme :p.
23:36:04 <fungot> FireFly: ( originally it ran under any lisp system able to do
23:36:10 <HackEgo> 1211) <adu> me thinks fungot is high on crack <fungot> adu: not exactly something like that. but even real scheme :p.
23:36:19 <FireFly> I hope I got the formatting right
23:36:37 <boily> don't worry, I'll be reformatting it in no time :D
23:37:20 <shachaf> fungot: say something hard to format
23:37:20 <fungot> shachaf: unless you're using the db for data storage.
23:37:35 <FireFly> formatting a database is hard?
23:37:47 <shachaf> fungot: that's an unusual use of the db.
23:37:47 <fungot> shachaf: wait a sec... busy in another channel
23:37:58 <fungot> shachaf: i'm a zealot for not defining that semantics. but code using haskell's state monads state, io, etc
23:38:24 <adu> omg, I literally rolled on the floor, laughing out loud! roflol
23:38:55 <FireFly> fungot: are you trapped in a monad?
23:38:55 <fungot> FireFly: you might also take a look at it. he pointed us at plt scheme for inspiration: http://www.scheme.dk/ tmp/ fnord
23:38:55 <boily> adu: ♪ding♪ you exist in the Wisdom PDF!
23:39:15 <adu> boily: do you mean the Adobe kind?
23:40:00 <adu> boily: or do you mean the Poisson distribution function?
23:40:11 <HackEgo> 1127) <boily> everything is either zipf, branford, poisson, gamma, or uniform. outside of that, it's a weird curve invented by sadistic statistics teachers.
23:40:18 <boily> adu: I guess both.
23:40:42 <adu> boily: that is so esoteric
23:41:21 <fizzie> boily: I went and lookeded things up, and it was suggested that TR was for "traces" (less than FEW but more than CLR) of the related cloud type.
23:42:39 <boily> say, what are your approximate coördinates and body weigh?
23:43:02 <adu> boily: OK, KYPO, IMGTBAR, JK
23:43:09 <fizzie> And I got the feeling that "density altitude" is basically air density at the airport, denoted as some nominal altitude from sea level in a model.
23:44:14 <adu> boily: my coordinsssssss are Silver Spring, MD, USA
23:44:41 <fizzie> ^source (shameless plug)
23:44:41 <fungot> https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
23:44:48 <adu> I don't know my body weight, because I eat and poop, it's never the same
23:45:00 <boily> fizzie: it's something to do with air pressure indeed, but it looks like it's only a useful intermediate number for further calculations.
23:45:22 <fizzie> "the altitude relative to the standard atmosphere conditions (ISA) at which the air density would be equal to the indicated air density at the place of observation".
23:45:44 <fizzie> I was going almost solely on that.
23:45:51 <boily> something that confuses me to no end.
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23:47:30 <fizzie> It's a convoluted sentence; I'd've written it the other way around. ("Air density at the place of observation indicated by the corresponding altitude in terms of the ISA model that has the same air density.")