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00:12:44 <zzo38> If you have Candelabra and you can make a artifact into a land
00:14:20 <zzo38> Then it can untap itself too.
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02:31:59 <vanila> zzo38, I got stuck more though
02:32:08 <vanila> can you hint me on super megzaxeux ascii world
02:32:34 <zzo38> What part now you get stuck on?
02:32:47 <vanila> i can blow up the red stuff to get the switch
02:32:52 <vanila> so I can hit all 3 switches
02:33:04 <vanila> but there is a thing in front of them so I cant get the flashy diamond
02:33:13 <vanila> i think its got something to do with using teleoporters but I didn't work out what
02:36:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Folders]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41573&oldid=41567 * Rottytooth * (+263)
02:39:13 <zzo38> OK just a minute please
02:41:14 <zzo38> Do you know the number "1" and "2" if you touch them you will also be teleported.
02:41:51 <vanila> yeah i can get teleported but I dont know how to use it to avoid the thing falling infront of the path to diamond
02:42:50 <zzo38> A green slime-blob can also block the path of pushers moving to block the path
02:44:05 <vanila> i knew bthat but I haven't an idea how to apply it
02:44:13 <vanila> I think I got an idea now
02:51:39 <zzo38> Remember that it is possible to create multiple save files if you need it. Push F3 it ask what file to save, F4 ask what file to restore; or you can also push F9 to save in the last file or F10 to restore the last file.
03:26:19 <J_Arcane> sometimes i wonder if the real reason English has a reputation as being 'easy to learn' is just because English speakers are culturally less prone to correcting people's speech, at least in person and especially to non-native speakers.
03:26:54 <zzo38> Or, maybe because there is a lot of books printed in English
03:27:17 <J_Arcane> Finns correct you *constantly* if you attempt to speak the language.
03:27:20 <elliott> J_Arcane: they are? I see people correct english constantly
03:27:23 <elliott> is it even more common in other languages?
03:28:17 <J_Arcane> elliott: Online? I see piles of English correction, sure, but in person? I have almost never, ever seen someone correct a non-native speaker.
03:28:51 <elliott> people are jerks on the internet
03:29:58 <elliott> I hear finns are jerks too though.
03:30:32 <int-e> elliott: I would rather suspect that finns are people.
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04:56:29 <Sgeo> Are these temperatures F or C? C is impossible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN2nH8zoz3A
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06:17:22 <Sgeo> If I get mismailed a letter, is it legal for me to put it in the correct recipient's mailbox?
06:18:06 <Sgeo> Looks like it might be a paycheck (but I'm not about to open it to see)
06:22:49 <Sgeo> Also not the channel I meant to ask, but whatever
06:23:02 <coppro> Sgeo: I can't think of why it wouldn't be
06:24:02 <int-e> because of things like "Only the United States Postal Service may use mailboxes for delivery without paying postage (Flyers, magazines, notes, letters, etc. found in or on mailboxes may be charged postage due)."
06:31:15 <Sgeo> "If the mailpiece is delivered to the wrong location: Don't erase or mark over the information, or write any type of endorsement on the mailpiece. Place the item back in the mailbox or hand the item back to your mailperson."
06:31:42 <Sgeo> I could leave it in my mailbox overnight and if it's still there when I wake up at noon, then maybe knock on neighbor's door or something
06:32:20 <coppro> a) who is going to care
06:32:22 <coppro> b) who is going to notice
06:33:07 <Sgeo> a) Paycheck. The intended recipient will care if e doesn't receive it
06:33:20 <coppro> if you stick it in eir mailbox, e will
06:33:27 <Sgeo> (Well, probably paycheck)
06:34:42 <int-e> http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=593601 is relevant but inconclusive
06:35:22 <int-e> at least they agree that http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/83/1725 is not applicable.
06:40:00 * Sgeo puts it back in own mailbox, address facing out
06:40:15 <Sgeo> Tomorrow can try to talk to neighbor or something
06:41:38 <int-e> this system of putting outgoing mail in one's own mailbox is so weird :)
06:42:16 <Sgeo> I generally put outgoing mail in the large mailbox outside
06:42:28 <Sgeo> I don't know if mailperson will actually look at incoming mailbox
06:42:46 <coppro> Sgeo: just put it in the person's mailbox
06:42:55 <coppro> int-e found the relevant statute and it would not apply
06:43:02 <Sgeo> I don't think it's actually physically possible
06:43:56 <int-e> coppro: is it the 18 U.S.C. § 1725, or is there something else?
06:44:26 <int-e> (I like reading legalese, it's an esoteric english slang.)
06:44:57 <coppro> http://agora.qoid.us/current_slr.txt
06:48:08 <int-e> wow, "proscribe" is an awful word. It means the opposite of what I'd naively expect.
06:49:00 * int-e puts it into an inflamable drawer, then puts a match to the whole.
06:51:09 <coppro> int-e: it's the opposite of prescribe
06:51:56 <shachaf> and o is the opposite of e
06:52:56 <int-e> e is a crossed out o? *squints*
06:57:13 <HackEgo> 742) <shachaf> U+2205 [∅] NO LETTER O ALLOWED
06:59:35 <int-e> the members of ∅ enjoy absolute freedom
07:00:30 <HackEgo> Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience.
07:02:06 <HackEgo> [U+00F8 LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH STROKE]
07:03:30 <int-e> in a paper we recently finalized the typesetters managed to use Ø instead of ∅ in one place (out of several), that was strange.
07:05:36 <int-e> (Why they have to take perfectly good latex and reset it in another program I'll never know [ok, I'm afraid I do know; they accept submissions in Word, too]. Springer...)
07:10:06 <int-e> they must have a crazy workflow, too; they seem to cut out figures (and possibly symbols) from PDF, but I suspect the text is produced by taking the main body of the latex document and then running strategical search&replace commands...
07:11:15 <int-e> (I hope there is *some* automation, but there were several systematic errors in the first draft that indicate that a lot of manual labor is also involved)
07:11:32 <int-e> but oh well. not very esoteric :)
07:20:50 <coppro> xkcd is pretty good today
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07:22:56 <int-e> but that's wednesday's xkcd
07:22:59 <coppro> int-e: i regret nothing
07:23:53 <int-e> Unless the absence of today's comic is an artistic message that I fail to grasp.
07:24:41 <int-e> oh. sorry, browser mishap
07:25:31 <int-e> I used to be able to visit xkcd by opening a new tab and searching for xkcd in the history - now there's a danger of activating an active xkcd tab instead ...
07:26:14 <int-e> ... which won't be reloaded in the course of this user interaction.
07:26:36 <int-e> Foiled by software.
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07:28:49 <int-e> paper reloaded, hmm
08:14:33 <Taneb> Hehe, today's Freefall amuses me
08:15:34 <int-e> Hmmmmm. I'll see it on Monday, I think.
08:16:35 <int-e> (Since Freefall has no easy way of bookmarking the current comic.)
08:17:44 <int-e> ... never mind me.
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08:20:56 <int-e> (I need to stop talking about my habits so much (Uh I'm doing it again, STOP! (Uh I give up. (Really, I should stop doing this all the time. (AAARGH!)))))
08:30:53 <mitchs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ6i-xQyesc
08:34:29 <mitchs> it's from spaceballs, hopefully isn't blocked in any countries
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08:47:34 <Solace> my schools filter.somehow got on my computer
08:47:45 <Solace> through a Google signup
08:48:35 <Solace> all of my data and bots code has been fucking deleted
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08:51:11 <Solace> I signed into Google at school and idk I think the accounts got linked to school
08:51:21 <Solace> and when I signed in at home
08:51:39 <Solace> The schools filter system for "innapropriate" things
08:51:48 <Solace> deleted everything I had
08:52:11 <zzo38> File a complaint, then.
08:52:35 <Solace> no one listens to.students here
08:56:20 <int-e> . o O ( Assuming this is real; at this point, I'd turn off the computer, try to find a clean one that can read the hard disk, scan it for recoverable data. )
08:56:54 <Solace> it is real and I'm crying
08:57:26 <int-e> Because anything you'll do on the computer will just make a recovery (if possible at all) harder.
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08:58:43 <zzo38> If you cannot file a complaint, then file a lawsuit.
08:58:52 <int-e> (instead of another computer, booting from an USB key with some Linux or similar *may* be an option. There must be special recovery images around, actually.)
09:00:25 <Solace> I'm just in shock this is retarded its taken me so long to compile this
09:00:55 * Solace dies inside then sues school
09:02:07 <int-e> (I've never really had this problem, so I actually don't really know what tools to use beyond making an image of the disk (for which I'd use dd.))
09:04:51 <Solace> they use a deepfreeze and I I CAN'T DO SHIT
09:05:09 <Solace> ok school is in a few days ill speak with an administrator
09:05:52 <zzo38> Although before filing any complaints or lawsuits or whatever you should try to check what is happening if possible, and then you can figure out what happened. If your school put malware into your computer then to complain to them, if that doesn't help then sue them and/or to put in newspaper report.
09:05:57 <int-e> with some luck you'll not be the only one... though I'm not sure "luck" is the right term here.
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09:08:32 <int-e> mitchs: heh I actually own the movie on DVD (though movie companies will disagree with that phrase)
09:16:53 <mitchs> growing up, i watched it on a bootleg VHS on a big tv that took several minutes to reach normal brightness levels after being turned on
09:17:15 * mitchs is approximately 100 years old
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09:48:12 <oerjan> @tell J_Arcane (10a+b)^2-(10c+d)^2 == (10b+a)^2-(10d+c)^2 <=> (10a+b)^2-(10b+a)^2 == (10c+d)^2-(10d+c)^2 <=> (11a+11b)(9a-9b) == (11c+11d)(9c-9d) <=> (a+b)(a-b) == (c+d)(c-d) <=> a^2-b^2 == c^2-d^2
09:49:56 <oerjan> @tell J_Arcane hm one conclusion is that if two pairs of digits work, they work in all (big enough) bases
09:51:08 <oerjan> > (0x48^2 - 0x17^2, 0x84^2-0x71^2)
09:53:45 <oerjan> @tell Jafet <Jafet> (Also next year 2016 = 54^2-30^2, if you allow 45^2-03^2.) <-- hm that's because (3,4,5) is a pythagorean triple...
09:59:22 <oerjan> > [(a,b,c,d,x)|[a,b,c,d]<-replicateM 4[0..9],[x]<-[nub[a^2-b^2,c^2-d^2]]]
09:59:23 <lambdabot> [(0,0,0,0,0),(0,0,1,1,0),(0,0,2,2,0),(0,0,3,3,0),(0,0,4,4,0),(0,0,5,5,0),(0,...
09:59:47 <oerjan> > [(a,b,c,d,x)|[a,b,c,d]<-replicateM 4[0..9],a/=c,[x]<-[nub[a^2-b^2,c^2-d^2]]]
09:59:48 <lambdabot> [(0,0,1,1,0),(0,0,2,2,0),(0,0,3,3,0),(0,0,4,4,0),(0,0,5,5,0),(0,0,6,6,0),(0,...
10:00:10 <oerjan> > [(a,b,c,d,x)|[a,b,c,d]<-replicateM 4[0..9],a/=c,a/=b,[x]<-[nub[a^2-b^2,c^2-d^2]]]
10:00:12 <lambdabot> [(0,3,4,5,-9),(0,4,3,5,-16),(1,4,7,8,-15),(1,5,5,7,-24),(1,7,4,8,-48),(2,6,7...
10:00:39 <oerjan> > length [(a,b,c,d,x)|[a,b,c,d]<-replicateM 4[0..9],a/=c,a/=b,[x]<-[nub[a^2-b^2,c^2-d^2]]]
10:02:09 <oerjan> > [(10*a+b)^2-(10*c+d)^2|[a,b,c,d]<-replicateM 4[0..9],a/=c,a/=b,[x]<-[nub[a^2-b^2,c^2-d^2]]]
10:02:10 <lambdabot> [-2016,-1209,-5888,-3024,-2015,-5565,-4032,-2016,1209,-1209,-5888,2016,2015,...
10:02:41 <oerjan> > [(10*a+b)^2-(10*c+d)^2|[a,b,c,d]<-replicateM 4[0..9],a>c,a/=b,[x]<-[nub[a^2-b^2,c^2-d^2]]]
10:02:42 <lambdabot> [1209,2016,2015,1209,2016,3024,4032,3024,5888,5565,2015,5888,4032,5565]
10:03:13 <oerjan> > nub [(10*a+b)^2-(10*c+d)^2|[a,b,c,d]<-replicateM 4[0..9],a>c,a/=b,[x]<-[nub[a^2-b^2,c^2-d^2]]]
10:03:14 <lambdabot> [1209,2016,2015,3024,4032,5888,5565]
10:15:10 <oerjan> @tell nys <nys> guardian <-> warden <-- that's actually not english's fault, but a development in norman french
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13:00:36 <J_Arcane> https://github.com/munificent/vigil
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14:25:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Folders]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41576&oldid=41573 * Rottytooth * (+91)
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15:11:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Vigil]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41577 * AJF * (+421) Created page with "[https://github.com/munificent/vigil Vigil] is an esoteric programming language similar to Python, created by [Bob Nystrom, aka munificent](https://github.com/munificent) in 2..."
15:11:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Vigil]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41578&oldid=41577 * AJF * (-1) MediaWiki isn't Markdown ;)
15:12:09 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Vigil]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41579&oldid=41578 * AJF * (+19)
15:12:50 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Vigil]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41580&oldid=41579 * AJF * (+34)
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16:34:18 <boily> spam spam spam spam ♪
16:36:21 <Taneb> Hmm, apparently I "obviously understand homogeneous transformations very well"
16:37:55 <Taneb> I actually have no idea how they work help
16:38:36 <Taneb> I have an exam involving them next week
16:39:19 <vanila> aren't they just normal matrices
16:39:26 <vanila> but at the end you divide each coordinate by the last one
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16:40:06 <boily> (slapstick comedy)
16:58:41 <b_jonas> fungot, can you bribe the sanete?
16:58:41 <fungot> b_jonas: yes, but they could blame it to not do that? wouldn't that be
17:00:16 <Taneb> b_jonas, what's there "sanete"?
17:00:57 <b_jonas> `8-ball what's there "sanete"?
17:01:40 <Taneb> I... am ashamed of myself and will now go hide in a hole
17:17:48 <b_jonas> it's like a senate but less sane
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17:33:56 <Sgeo> Mail situation resolved perfectly. Went downstairs, saw mail truck, (after neighbor prompted me after I asked if mailperson was here) went to truck and talked to mailperson, who seemed distraught at the misplaced mail and thankful to me
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18:28:36 <J_Arcane> http://www.cracked.com/article_21940_5-mathematical-strategies-dominating-popular-kids-games.html/
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18:45:41 <vanila> http://yusuke.endoh.usesthis.com/
18:46:54 <vanila> "Recently I've become interested in Scala. It looks beautifully-crafted"
18:50:47 <boily> somebody please K-line, G-line and probably a few columns too corsee.
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18:56:26 <fungot> olsner: you can still compile things efficiently. because it was used in making the hardware branchings visible to the compilation of some files ( i'm setting up gvim on this machine.
18:56:37 <fizzie> No, fungot is still where I left it.
18:56:38 <fungot> fizzie: you and your social contacts" can result in billiard balls breaking apart.
18:57:05 <oerjan> fizzie: so how's the weather in london
18:57:35 <fizzie> oerjan: Surprisingly fine.
18:57:40 <lambdabot> EGLL 021850Z 24008KT 210V270 CAVOK 05/01 Q1034 NOSIG
18:57:40 <fizzie> oerjan: Though it's supposed to rain tomorrow.
18:58:01 <vanila> https://github.com/mame/_
18:58:05 <vanila> does this count as esoteric?
18:58:18 <vanila> I think its just encoding each letter using n _'s for chr(n)
18:59:20 <oerjan> it's not esoteric as long as the script still needs to contain "require" hth
18:59:38 <oerjan> reverse runlength encoding :P
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19:04:29 <oerjan> isn't there anything for ruby resembling that symbol-only encoding for javascript?
19:05:29 <oerjan> i suppose that depends on ruby having similarly crazy implicit conversions, but it _is_ a dynamically typed language so it doesn't seem out of the question
19:06:53 <vanila> The most evil and renowned esoteric programming language
19:06:54 <oerjan> hm "ruby symbols only" doesn't give obvious hits
19:08:03 <oerjan> i'm not sure that malbolge actually is the most evil esolang, although it's certainly up there
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19:08:44 <oerjan> i suppose that should be "down there"
19:08:55 <vanila> it looks like Endoh added a new quine to his crazy quine relay program for each day of the advent calendar
19:09:08 <boily> poll: on a scale of 1 to about ten, how would you rate the evilness of underload?
19:09:16 <oerjan> did he include malbolge twh
19:09:37 <vanila> I think that underload is actually similar to a normal programming language
19:09:46 <vanila> they're called "concatenative languages"
19:09:51 <vanila> and I don't really believe people program in them...
19:09:56 <oerjan> since i actually _can_ program in it
19:10:30 <Jafet> Category: Ruby derivatives
19:12:06 <vanila> hey they did BLC in it
19:12:14 <oerjan> vanila: pretty sure some do
19:12:26 <vanila> the 100 language quine
19:13:01 <oerjan> malbolge is probably too hard not the least because of the size limit
19:13:02 <Jafet> Endoh probably got wind of that from last ioccc
19:13:34 <vanila> https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/commit/4b9747e0b65753600a17f22ca867b6247e95366c
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19:14:10 <oerjan> underload should be easy to include in a quine relay
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19:17:06 <vanila> http://hebrew.pwn.seccon.jp/nikud/hebrew-utf16le.html
19:19:01 <b_jonas> oerjan: of course. usually any one language is easy to include in a quine relay, because in all but one languages you can just use a single print statement
19:19:33 <oerjan> boily: let me extend the list very inaccurately for comparison: befunge 4, brainfuck 5, /// 6 and fueue 8
19:20:02 <oerjan> actually that might be unfair to befunge
19:20:16 <oerjan> well i did say inaccurately
19:22:55 <oerjan> b_jonas: i think malbolge might be one exception there.
19:24:04 <b_jonas> oerjan: sure, some crazy obfu-languages can be exceptions
19:24:04 <b_jonas> like, even in underload you can't write a print statement printing unbalanced parens or something
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19:26:17 <vanila> How is Yusuko so AWESOME
19:28:17 <vanila> "LLVM to Befunge compiler"
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19:28:41 <vanila> https://github.com/shinh/beflisp/blob/master/beflisp.bef
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19:33:06 <vanila> I think its normal lisp except the brackets can go vertical using v ^
19:33:15 <vanila> https://github.com/shinh/beflisp/blob/master/fizzbuzz.l2d
19:34:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Rottytooth * uploaded "[[File:Folders 99bottles.png]]": 99 Bottles of Beer program for Folders language
19:35:02 <vanila> beflisp2d.bef is a joke extension of Lisp. You can use 2D S expression. See fizzbuzz.l2d for an example of 2D Lisp code.
19:35:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Folders]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41582&oldid=41576 * Rottytooth * (+148) /* Examples */
19:46:43 <vanila> what do you mean by no
19:52:20 <AndoDaan> You're all assholes. Any language is esoteric. hth
19:52:39 <vanila> not every language is esoteric
19:52:42 <vanila> for example, lisp isn't
19:53:46 <AndoDaan> bah, is the way Godel constructed his number esoteric? yes. and it's basically lisp.
19:54:05 <vanila> its not lisp at all are you trolling
19:54:26 <vanila> hofstadder is a popular writer
19:54:51 <AndoDaan> Nah, you're probably right. I don't know enough to present a convincing argument.
19:56:10 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * Rottytooth * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Folders 99bottles.png]]"
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20:11:57 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Trinary]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41584&oldid=38664 * 80.229.228.34 * (-23) not related
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20:56:29 <J_Arcane> vanila: I would say that Lisp is the least esoteric language with the largest reputation for being so anyway, while C is the most esoteric language with the least reputation for being so. ;)
21:04:57 <Sgeo> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ulsmc/best_phishing_scam_ive_ever_seen_raising/
21:07:31 <Taneb> oerjan, yeah, I loved it
21:09:55 <J_Arcane> Sgeo: Or, you know, you could just not click on attachments you don't know anything about ...
21:11:51 <vanila> how to not get hackked: Don't
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21:16:05 <J_Arcane> # of times I've clicked on an attachment in an email I did not specifically request since ever: 0
21:17:59 <lambdabot> Local time for fizzie is Fri Jan 2 21:17:56 2015
21:18:19 <fizzie> (That's what makes it official, right?)
21:18:59 <vanila> you're just ignoring a real threat
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21:27:14 <boily> fizzie's being threatened by time?
21:27:45 <int-e> Damn, I'm too old. I'd have circled the leading MZ in the .TXT file ;-)
21:29:21 <int-e> time is marching on without mercy.
21:30:30 <int-e> J_Arcane: You're better than I. I receive PDFs in e-mails all the time, and one of my mail clients is the clicky GUI type.
21:33:19 <int-e> Good one though, I wonder how they encode that meta information in the zip file.
21:34:29 <J_Arcane> int-e: Well, that's probably another factor: I have only ever uses web-mail clients save for a few brief stints, originally by necessity, then out of habit after far too many exploits that didn't even need user interaction to execute (Outlook was infamous for this, maybe still is)
21:34:36 <oerjan> i feel so safe for still using (al)pine
21:34:54 <J_Arcane> oerjan: Probably even smarter than me. :D
21:35:05 <oerjan> of course this makes it a chore whenever someone _does_ send an attachment.
21:35:20 <oerjan> (that i want to open.)
21:36:08 <oerjan> J_Arcane: part of the problem is my email is running on a remote host which i'm accessing through putty with no real gui connection
21:37:32 <oerjan> which means my way of seeing attachments tends to involve copying them to my website and opening them in IE
21:37:47 <oerjan> (the website is also on that remote host)
21:38:32 <oerjan> elliott: that would involve (getting and) starting an X server which sounds even more annoying.
21:40:33 <int-e> J_Arcane: Hmm, if it were web based I wouldn't write "GUI".
21:41:32 <int-e> (I meant thunderbird)
21:41:49 <J_Arcane> int-e: Yeah, that's what I mean. My relationship with GUI desktop mail programs has largely been limited to a few abortive attempts to tolerate Thunderbird or Kmail, and a brief period where I used Apple Mail a lot.
21:41:57 <J_Arcane> Mostly I can't stand the damn things anyway.
21:42:57 <int-e> Well, it's a failure of mine of using mutt effectively with several accounts and mail folders.
21:43:59 <oerjan> `addquote <int-e> (I need to stop talking about my habits so much (Uh I'm doing it again, STOP! (Uh I give up. (Really, I should stop doing this all the time. (AAARGH!)))))
21:44:01 <HackEgo> 1229) <int-e> (I need to stop talking about my habits so much (Uh I'm doing it again, STOP! (Uh I give up. (Really, I should stop doing this all the time. (AAARGH!)))))
21:44:47 <int-e> oerjan: thanks for the reminder
21:44:53 <oerjan> int-e: btw my usual way of checking freefall is to type fr in the address bar
21:45:17 <int-e> oerjan: but that would *only* give me the latest comic.
21:45:21 <oerjan> then arrow down if it isn't autocompleted
21:45:31 <int-e> whereas I want the comic that I most recently read.
21:46:23 <oerjan> int-e: oh i guess if you're reading in batches...
21:46:24 <int-e> (I do the address bar thing for xkcd ... because xkcd has no story arcs)
21:47:01 <oerjan> since i check it every time it comes out that isn't a problem for me
21:47:30 <int-e> oerjan: The irony is, I usually check the comics as soon as I know there's a new one to read; but sometimes, I do forget about it. And actually seeing the previous comic again is good for remembering context.
21:47:39 <oerjan> the main comic i read batchwise, for some reason, is smbc.
21:47:52 <Taneb> oerjan, actually, same
21:48:06 <oerjan> which means i read it backwards, since it too has no story arcs
21:49:06 <Taneb> Well, satw has a slower update schedule than the schedule of me remembering it exists
21:49:23 <Taneb> Which means I read it serially in practise
21:50:48 <oerjan> int-e: i do tend to ocdally open the previous comic in another tab whenever i check a comic
21:50:58 <oerjan> just in case i've missed one
21:54:03 <Taneb> I don't have any sophisticated system for reading webcomics, I just remember that one exists and type in the URL
21:54:30 <Taneb> I also feel like I ought to go to bed soon
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22:20:05 <int-e> hehe. "If the current trend continues then 2015 will be one of the most unproductive years in modern history."
22:20:45 <shachaf> Taneb: olist has the worst url hth
22:20:49 <int-e> (paraphrasing from an article published at noon yesterday)
22:21:03 <shachaf> the url for the current olist comic is http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html
22:21:28 <int-e> (and by 'yesterday' I mean January 1st)
22:21:49 <HackEgo> Update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick.
22:21:50 <lambdabot> Local time for int-e is Fri Jan 2 23:21:48 2015
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22:22:14 <int-e> I wish I had had that idea earlier...
22:22:19 <HackEgo> Update notification for the webcomic Homestuck.
22:22:46 <HackEgo> wisdom/bdsmreclist \ wisdom/danddreclist \ wisdom/kallisti \ wisdom/list \ wisdom/olist \ wisdom/slist
22:23:08 <int-e> Finding actually useful wisdom in HackEgo is a bit of a surprise.
22:23:26 <HackEgo> wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø?
22:23:33 <elliott> vanila: not in #esoteric, that's for sure
22:23:40 <HackEgo> Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers.
22:26:02 <int-e> `` echo 'In a cruel twist of fate, vanila has come to #esoteric looking for wisdom.' > wisdom/vanila
22:26:09 <HackEgo> In a cruel twist of fate, vanila has come to #esoteric looking for wisdom.
22:26:25 <shachaf> slashlearn is forgotten once again
22:26:35 <shachaf> gotta give that thing a catchier name
22:26:49 <int-e> shachaf: at least I remembered not to use `learn
22:28:04 <int-e> `` sed -i 's/looking for/in search of/' wisdom/vanila
22:30:15 <shachaf> i sense a soul in search of wisdom
22:30:29 <int-e> that rings a bell. Diablo 1?
22:31:17 <shachaf> (Not that I ever played Diablo 1.)
22:31:34 <int-e> The 1 is just for disambiguation.
22:32:05 <oerjan> `learn 1 is just for disambiguation.
22:32:08 <HackEgo> Learned '1': 1 is just for disambiguation.
22:32:29 <oerjan> `learn The 1 is just for disambiguation.
22:32:30 <HackEgo> Learned '1': The 1 is just for disambiguation.
22:33:17 <int-e> shachaf: the Haskell naming convention suggests learn' ;-)
22:34:00 <int-e> (`learn' foobar And this is how we learned about frotz and xyzzy.)
22:34:18 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: learn': not found
22:34:38 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ': not found
22:35:04 <oerjan> int-e: haskell would have a learnBy which takes a ridiculously general second argument that you need another function to construct the most useful case of
22:35:05 <int-e> `` ln -s \' bin/quote
22:35:06 <HackEgo> ln: failed to create symbolic link `bin/quote': File exists
22:35:20 <int-e> `` ln -s quote bin/\'
22:35:29 <HackEgo> 1057) <Taneb> I would like to learn how to use a sword <Taneb> And also how to ride a unicycle <Taneb> Perhaps not at the same time
22:38:44 <HackEgo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 372 Sep 12 13:29 bin/?
22:38:52 <int-e> `` ls -l bin/wisdom
22:38:52 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access bin/wisdom: No such file or directory
22:43:37 <oerjan> that's definitely one of the best quotes
22:45:24 <oerjan> <vanila> HI <-- hm i wonder if corsee went after people saying "hi" (i did too) on the assumption they'd be newbies and not channel ops
22:46:46 <oerjan> boily's case doesn't fit
22:47:14 <int-e> I didn't get spammed *feels left out*
22:48:04 <oerjan> int-e: you weren't saying anything
22:48:35 <int-e> Yes, I know. Sleep tends to do that to me.
22:48:37 <oerjan> boily: did you say anything before corsee spammed you?
22:48:59 <elliott> (feel free to /msg it instead)
22:53:03 <Sgeo> I think we can all agree with ClickHole that the past year was the best 2014 ever
22:54:44 <ais523> `2014 this is the best 2014 ever
22:55:14 <HackEgo> cat: bin/2015: No such file or directory
22:55:15 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "2014" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
22:55:18 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "2014" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
22:56:52 <oerjan> `` cp bin/201{4,5}; sed -i 's/2014/205/;s/=/!=/' bin/2015
22:56:54 <nortti> `run sed -i 's/2014/$(basename "$0")/'
22:56:59 <int-e> Sgeo: I see you're not believing in many-worlds interpretation of quantum physics.
22:57:01 <nortti> `run sed -i 's/2014/$(basename "$0")/' bin/2014
22:57:19 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) != "205" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
22:57:37 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
22:57:38 <HackEgo> ln: accessing `bin/2014 bin/2015': No such file or directory
22:57:47 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `bin/2015': No such file or directory
22:57:47 <nortti> `` ln bin/2014 bin/2015
22:58:08 <oerjan> nortti: THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO
22:58:29 <int-e> 2015 should be backward-compatible with 2014
22:58:31 <nortti> oerjan: WHAT IS IT SUPPOSED TO DO, THEN?
22:58:38 <oerjan> `` cp bin/201{4,5}; sed -i 's/=/!=/' bin/2015
22:58:47 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
22:59:40 <int-e> oh, it has a one year deprecation cycle built in, works for me.
22:59:50 <Sgeo> Unless you're using the Go playground
23:02:29 <int-e> and ... 2016 could be if [ $$($(date +%Y) % 2) == 0 ]; then echo "Hello, world!"; fi
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23:02:36 <int-e> but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
23:02:53 <myname> so, 2018 will be 2014?
23:04:05 <int-e> it's "designed" to be compatible with 2014 ins 2014 and 2015; compatible with 2015 in 2014, 2015 and 2016, and disagree afterwards.
23:06:30 <int-e> where "ins", of course, is the plural of "in".
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23:11:00 <nortti> are other plurals ons, tos, froms, ats?
23:11:52 <nortti> unders, behinds, ins fronts ofs?
23:12:11 <boily> at is irregular, its plural is it.
23:12:56 <nortti> that's an interesting mutation
23:13:11 <nortti> what is its etymology?
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23:18:13 <boily> nortti: well, you see, there are birds and flowers...
23:18:37 <nortti> this is going to be an interesting one
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23:21:22 <boily> and a horse, and a watermelon eventually, but only in the later chapters.
23:22:22 <boily> (the fruit was censored during a few centuries by the Church.)
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23:27:55 <int-e> boily: http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/010813.html "Well that really beats everything! What kind of perverse smut are you brats drawing on our school's wall?"
23:28:31 <boily> bwah ah ah ah ah :D
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23:43:31 <Sgeo> Blah, I don't see an API for Google Maps search
23:43:44 <Sgeo> What I need is an API for transport information
23:44:36 <Sgeo> Maybe I don't need Google
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23:45:40 <Sgeo> Actually, yeah, I want Google
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