00:02:48 <zzo38> Post it somewhere anyways
00:02:58 <zzo38> I can look at it if you want
00:03:01 <zzo38> So can other people
00:03:16 <vanila> oh you don't have to! I only mentioned it in case you interested
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01:58:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[XRF]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41623&oldid=41622 * Superdave * (+4) C = has already been visited (not "not")
02:10:04 <vanila> it would be hard to self hosting compile brainfuck to assembly/bytecode
02:10:12 <vanila> even ignoring the bitwise operations
02:10:16 <vanila> you have to do it in two passes
02:10:27 <pikhq> But not impossible.
02:10:33 <vanila> one to compile brainfuck into a intermediate assembly language with labels
02:10:51 <vanila> then a second pass to actually assemble that into binary (making the labels into numbers)
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02:18:58 <tswett> Here, have one of those stupid riddles.
02:19:10 <tswett> What do you call a topological space that has the property that a set is open if and only if it is closed?
02:19:53 <tswett> The answer is only two words, the first one being an indefinite article.
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03:02:12 <J_Arcane> https://github.com/jarcane/heresy/commit/4695e20f12314480296335b178a8a0917c261608
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03:04:15 <vanila> J_Arcane, are you hoping for some feedback or anything?
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03:04:48 <J_Arcane> vanila: naw. just screwing around. hoped it might be amusing.
03:06:16 <elliott> is that Y actual Y or just any old fixed point combinator?
03:06:27 <J_Arcane> also, apparently git eats whitespace in commit messages.
03:07:36 <J_Arcane> Yes. IT is the actual strict Y combinator.
03:08:19 <elliott> does (def fix (fn (f) (let ([g (fn (x) ((f g) x))]) g))) work?
03:08:42 <elliott> or (def fix (fn (f) (fn (x) ((f (fix f)) x))))
03:08:47 <J_Arcane> I think so, yes. We tried it once, I still have it kicking around in another file. I dunno if it'd work with fnlet.
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05:05:02 <zzo38> I think I fixed "Triangle of Protection". Now it says "Enchanted permanent cannot be sacrificed unless an ability of that permanent allows or forces it to be sacrificed, except as the cost of an activated ability in which case that ability is unusable."
05:06:07 <zzo38> Actually, I made one more change to clarify it; now it says "causes" instead of "allows or forces".
05:08:55 <shachaf> What was the previous phrasing?
05:09:25 <shachaf> What's the goal of that card?
05:14:47 <int-e> ... unless ..., except ...
05:17:22 <int-e> zzo38: is it intended that the permanent cannot be sacrificed as a cost of one of its own activated abilities? because that's how I'd read that.
05:18:42 <zzo38> Its previous phasing deleted everything after the first "sacrificed".
05:19:14 <zzo38> It is intended that it cannot be sacrificed to pay for one of its own activated abilities.
05:25:02 <zzo38> Actually "that ability is unusable" is wrong; if it is an artifact and it says "sacrifice an artifact" it is only supposed to prevent you from activating it by sacrificing itself.
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05:26:03 <zzo38> I fixed that too now.
05:42:51 <zzo38> Enchanted permanent cannot be sacrificed unless an ability of that permanent causes it to be sacrificed, but still cannot be sacrificed as the cost of an activated ability on that permanent or anything else.
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07:05:31 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:BytePusher]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41624&oldid=41601 * Gamemanj * (+0) /* Announcements */ (Sorry, I messed up the year! I'd forgotten about ~~~~,sorry...)
07:10:11 <vanila> has anyone made a bytepusher system with a FPGA?
07:12:29 <zzo38> I don't know, but it might be more difficult that it could have been, since instructions do not have to be aligned.
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09:15:46 <Jafet> > let isP b n = (\x -> x == reverse x) $ showIntAtBase b toEnum n "" in all (`isP` 392629621582222667733213907054116073) [2,3]
09:16:03 <Jafet> > let showB b n = showIntAtBase b toEnum n "" in map (`showB` 392629621582222667733213907054116073) [2,3]
09:16:04 <lambdabot> ["\SOH\NUL\NUL\SOH\NUL\SOH\SOH\SOH\NUL\NUL\SOH\SOH\SOH\SOH\NUL\NUL\NUL\SOH\N...
09:16:17 <Jafet> > let showB b n = showIntAtBase b (toEnum.(+48)) n "" in map (`showB` 392629621582222667733213907054116073) [2,3]
09:16:18 <lambdabot> ["10010111001111000100010100010100000011011011000101011011100000111011010100...
09:16:50 <Jafet> (found a new entry for http://oeis.org/A060792 .)
09:27:06 <b_jonas> zzo38: sadly, Dust to Dust doesn't seem to save you because you don't have enough colored mana to cast it and then cast Pyrewild Shaman
09:28:28 <b_jonas> zzo38: I was thinking on that "cannot sacrifice" effect. I think I can tell what my problem is with now, but what's the current text you're using?
09:29:17 <b_jonas> zzo38: my problem is that it can easily cause infinite loops with permanents that have triggered abilities to sacrifice it, such as islandhome ones like Dandan
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09:33:20 <b_jonas> http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt => "Enchanted permanent cannot be sacrificed unless an ability of that
09:33:24 <b_jonas> permanent causes it to be sacrificed, but still cannot be sacrificed as
09:33:28 <b_jonas> the cost of an activated ability on that permanent or anything else."
09:33:36 <b_jonas> that's better, but I still don't really like it
09:36:08 <b_jonas> zzo38: but that now seems much weaker, because it can no longer save your Ball Lightning
09:37:00 <b_jonas> nor your vanishing creatures or creatures with echo or your Krosan Cloudscraper
09:39:17 <zzo38> That's true, of course and is intentional to make it not too much powerful.
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09:40:44 <b_jonas> zzo38: as you added fair duel, let me mention two other cards I've been thinking of.
09:41:56 <b_jonas> name: Lost Self-esteem. cost: 1W. type: Enchantment - Aura. abilities: Enchant creature. All objects and players have protection from enchanted creature.
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09:46:50 <b_jonas> name: Vain Mary. cost: G. type: Creature - Bird Wizard 2/2. abilities: Flying. When you control a creature that has greater power than Vain Mary, sacrifice Vain Mary.
09:47:45 <zzo38> Perhaps Triangle of Protection is better to have flash?
09:48:32 <b_jonas> zzo38: maybe, but even then it won't save your evokes creatures because they're self-sacrificed
09:49:20 <b_jonas> zzo38: in any case, this won't save you from a Cruel Edict unless you Triangle all your creatures, right?
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09:51:45 <zzo38> However you can cast it on an opponent's card and then use Cruel Edict and you can force them not to sacrifice a particular card. Or, since it now has flash, save a single of your own cards from All Is Dust, or if they are using it to try to get rid of one of their own cards, cast it on their card.
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09:58:57 <zzo38> O, and this Triangle will protect a creature from being sacrificed at the end of your turn due to Apprentice Necromancer.
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10:02:00 <b_jonas> zzo38: yes, and you can use it on a Kiki-Jiki-made copy
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10:09:33 <b_jonas> zzo38: um, have you removed cards from the puzzle?
10:09:42 <b_jonas> I thought there were two more cards in your hand
10:11:00 <b_jonas> but I guess it's better this way.
10:19:22 <b_jonas> zzo38: Altar of Defense seems to be a bit expensive compared to Ashnod's Altar.
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10:27:19 <zzo38> You are right I fixed it
10:29:46 <b_jonas> zzo38: ah, now that's more interesting. what gives lots of creatures defender, besides Dormant Sliver?
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10:32:51 <b_jonas> mind you, I'd be more happy with more good defenders. there are already cards that do useful stuff with defenders.
10:35:33 <zzo38> I made up Wall of Ninjas, which has haste, defender, ninjutsu, first strike, "Whenever ~ deals combat damage to a player, that player discards 2 cards.", and "{BB}, {Q}: Target player discards a card."
10:37:21 <b_jonas> zzo38: yes, and a Wall of Attachment
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10:41:10 <b_jonas> Mad Counterspell seems too powerful, it's more better than an ordinary Counterspell (though probably worse than Mana Leak)
10:41:41 <zzo38> It is a sorcery; you cannot normally cast it as it would have no target.
10:42:17 <zzo38> However maybe the madness cost could be changed to one more if necessary I don't know?
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10:46:56 <zzo38> I believe madness is also a way to get priority during the cleanup step if you have too many cards.
10:47:30 <zzo38> You can exile it temporarily without casting it.
10:51:50 <zzo38> (This exiling it temporarily might be useful for other purposes too, maybe)
10:51:59 <b_jonas> but you have to set up having too many cards for that, which isn't so easy, except at the start of the game or when you're about to win, when you no longer need that kind of trick
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10:52:28 <b_jonas> I rarely have too many cards in my cleanup step
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10:54:40 <zzo38> Yes I know that, but it is usable with any card that has madness. Probably, usually is not so useful but sometimes it might.
11:00:14 <b_jonas> Mystery Tablet might be unplayable in casual play where you have no sideboard and Wish cards use your entire collection
11:00:56 <b_jonas> What does "If you do, put this card with your
11:03:26 <zzo38> It assumes that you are playing with a sideboard rather than your entire collection. I just don't like that "entire collection" stuff.
11:03:42 <zzo38> It means it becomes part of your sideboard.
11:04:23 <b_jonas> oh, you mean "Put Mystery Tablet to your sideboard."?
11:04:44 <b_jonas> and if your sideboard is empty, this card does nothing?
11:05:31 <zzo38> Yes, although it still spend 1 mana and becomes tapped.
11:08:18 <zzo38> It means the same thing as a card you own from "outside the game", but I don't want people to play that way and prefer that it always means your sideboard even in a casual game.
11:10:09 <b_jonas> as for Suppress Quality, is it deliberate that it doesn't block abilities of players? I think players can have protection or hexproof these days.
11:13:12 <zzo38> No, although it also wasn't really meant to. Although it probably should; mainly I just forgot.
11:13:36 <zzo38> Well, now I changed it so that it does.
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12:19:12 <lambdabot> CYUL 081200Z 23007KT 15SM FEW010 FEW065 M26/M30 A3023 RMK SF1SC2 SF TR SLP242
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12:19:53 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: let: not found
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15:40:32 <oerjan> when you think about it this is pretty badass "Hollerith built machines under contract for the Census Office, which used them to tabulate the 1890 census in only one year.[9] The previous 1880 census had taken eight years."
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15:46:59 <oerjan> "The term "Super Computing" was used by the New York World newspaper in 1931 to refer to a large custom-built tabulator that IBM made for Columbia University."
15:49:46 <int-e> how many human calculators did it replace?
15:51:11 <oerjan> the reference is http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/packard.html
15:52:41 <oerjan> "Watson obliged, and had engineers James Bryce and George Daly in IBM's Endicott plant build a gigantic tabulator capable of accumulating sums of squares, raising numbers to powers, and so forth by means of direct subtraction (the first punched-card machine to do this) plus a novel system of ten paired accumulators."
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15:53:44 <int-e> "New statistical machines with the mental power of 100 skilled mathematicians in solving even highly complex algebraic problems were demonstrated yesterday for the first time before a group of psychologists, educational research workers and statisticians in the laboratories of the Columbia University Statistical Bureau in Hamilton Hall." <-- there's a number
15:54:14 <int-e> a machine that replaces 100 computers is a supercomputer all right.
15:58:23 <mroman> I thought it replaces mathematicians
15:58:33 <mroman> must suck to be a useless mathematician in the near future .
16:00:19 <oerjan> mroman: i suspect they didn't distinguish mathematicians and human computers much at that time. heck many people don't know the difference even now.
16:02:31 <oerjan> i presume back then the majority of human mathematical work _was_ calculation.
16:02:32 <lambdabot> *** "reckoner" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
16:02:36 <lambdabot> n 1: an expert at calculation (or at operating calculating
16:02:38 <lambdabot> machines) [syn: {calculator}, {reckoner}, {figurer},
16:02:42 <lambdabot> 2: a handbook of tables used to facilitate computation [syn:
16:02:59 <fizzie> (@wn should have a syntax for referring to a particular sense of a word, computer#n#2 or something. If it doesn't.)
16:03:35 <fizzie> WordNet itself has something that looks vaguely like that, at least in some contexts.
16:04:54 <oerjan> perhaps there's an api
16:15:08 <oerjan> the original hollerith machine used mercury "The card sat over pools of mercury, pools corresponding to the possible hole positions in the card. When the wires were pressed onto the card, punched holes allowed wires to dip into the mercury pools, making an electrical contact[5] [6] that could be used for counting, sorting, and setting off a bell to let the operator know the card had been read."
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16:49:30 <Gregor> `fromroman Quantum autem noluit marmota monax?
16:50:26 <Deewiant> `fromroman QVANTVM AVTEM NVLUIT MARMOTA MONAX
16:51:36 <J_Arcane> needs Google translate hooks. ;)
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17:20:28 <b_jonas> Taneb: I think you might have better luck with toroman, that accepts more invalid input
17:20:56 <Taneb> I always get D and L mixed up :/
17:22:05 <shachaf> Taneb: D comes after C hth
17:22:11 <Taneb> shachaf, so does L!
17:22:16 <Taneb> And I! and V! and X!
17:22:21 <shachaf> D comes immediately after C hth
17:24:13 <b_jonas> L is the lower half of C, V is the upper half of X
17:24:34 <b_jonas> that's why I use a program to convert rather than try in my head
17:24:46 <b_jonas> but I should fix toroman to reject invalid input
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19:23:39 <Taneb> Makes sense, I guess
19:26:20 <Taneb> I could do with a scarf
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22:45:30 <oerjan> <Gregor> `fromroman Quantum autem noluit marmota monax? <-- i am deeply suspicious of that sentence, even disregarding the silly binominal species name
22:46:51 <Gregor> oerjan: I asked Google.
22:47:04 <oerjan> yes, google seems to think it makes sense
22:47:21 <oerjan> but i think someone's been tricking it
22:48:00 <oerjan> the fact that "quantum autem noluit" gives no google hits _outside_ google translate should be a hint.
22:49:04 <oerjan> afaict it means something like "how much too it refused", prime john cleese material
22:49:59 <Gregor> So, what SHOULD it be, Cap'n Lat'n?
22:52:40 <oerjan> some googling turns up "Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?"
22:53:49 <oerjan> i don't think that's an exact translation either
22:54:03 <oerjan> but it's got nice alliteration
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22:55:30 <oerjan> oh hm it's better that i thought, materia actually has a "timber" meaning
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22:56:59 <oerjan> the verbed form i cannot find on wiktionary though.
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