00:04:35 <zzo38> No, the file size is correct
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00:15:25 <zzo38> The file size is correct, but the contents of the file are all zero, rather than the correct contents
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01:33:42 <zzo38> Why can't they build computer, so that it has a Forth environment built-in to the BIOS ROM? I have seen one that has a CD player software built-in, and a few others, but none of that is very good?
01:35:04 <ais523> zzo38: modern computers use UEFI rather than BIOS, and the UEFI is user-customizable (although you have to turn secure boot off)
01:35:46 <zzo38> I still don't really like that; it is a PC then it should have a PC BIOS.
01:36:07 <zzo38> But regardless, even if user-customizable then maybe you can't use it without a disk?
01:36:20 <zzo38> Put a Forth built-in so that you can use it even without a disk.
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01:37:43 <ais523> right, the UEFI is stored on a disk partition
01:39:29 <zzo38> Yes, that's why you need a PC BIOS with Forth interpreter
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01:41:24 <zzo38> You could still have UEFI but you can start BIOS at first so that it can work without a disk.
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02:00:17 <pikhq> zzo38: Once upon a time they *did* make such computers.
02:00:29 <pikhq> For instance, old school macs.
02:08:23 <zzo38> Some old computer also had BASIC built-in to the BIOS ROM
02:09:42 <zzo38> It may be good to put Forth though
02:10:01 <zzo38> But I think they ought to do with the new computer too!
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03:01:31 <zzo38> What would you think?
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03:34:06 <quintopia> i would think it's time to play games
03:37:49 <zzo38> What game do you want? Chess game? Pokemon card game? Dungeons&Dragons game?
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04:37:50 <newsham> why doesnt rpi have BASIC in its rom?
04:38:18 <zzo38> What does it have in its ROM?
04:41:44 <Sgeo> asdjfjasdfhlakjfhlakjsfkldfkldhlaksjdfhklasjdhfjakdfasdf
04:41:50 <Sgeo> I am beginning to hate JanusVR
04:44:24 <zzo38> newsham: Do you even know these answer?
04:48:57 <zzo38> Let's see if I fixed this puzzle yet http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.2
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05:06:21 <pikhq> zzo38: It has some code to load a firmware blob from the SD card.
05:06:24 <pikhq> That's... about it.
05:09:36 <zzo38> Putting a Forth interpreter into the ROM too would make it to work even if you do not have a SD card, or if the data got deleted, or whatever
05:10:05 <zzo38> Probably it would also make it faster, because Linux is slow
05:10:42 <pikhq> It'd certainly be nice to have a guaranteed Forth environment, sure.
05:15:39 <zzo38> As far as I am concerned they ought to do that to other computers too, whether it is PC, or games console, or DVD player, or whatever, as long as it is possible to put keyboard
05:16:58 <pikhq> Yep. It's convenient having a guaranteed bootable environment in early ROM.
06:12:13 <Sgeo> Apparently it's publically ok to talk about security holes in JanusVR
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