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00:29:10 <boily> \oren\: mating earphones together to breed new untanglable pairs?
00:30:11 <\oren\> nah, theyseem to have too much treble and too little bass
00:30:42 <Jafet> You can mate bass together to get more bass.
00:36:53 * boily borrows oerjan's swatter and straps it to my mapole
00:37:21 <boily> @tell oerjan IOU one swatter
00:39:53 <\oren\> If I use putty to block the airholes in the headphones it inhibits the super loud treble
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08:26:54 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[List of ideas]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43723&oldid=43700 * 109.240.83.158 * (+209) /* Partially Silly Ideas */
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10:05:27 <int-e> hmm. let's see how lambdabot likes ghc-7.10.2 (I intend to update today...)
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10:24:39 <int-e> That's a fancy Haskell extension ;-)
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10:50:50 <boily> uhm... how do we revert to before ais523 went Jack Nicholson through a bathroom door on the wisdom?
10:52:42 <Phantom_Hoover> (in any case you use the mercurial commands, though i don't know how)
10:53:26 <boily> 11 hours ago HackBot <ais523> echo wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rmdefault tip
10:53:28 <boily> 11 hours ago HackBot <ais523> ls wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rm
10:54:21 <boily> the 'echo' one went nuclear.
10:54:52 <HackEgo> Topologically, a torus is just a torus. Taneb invented it.
10:55:08 <HackEgo> As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try listing it in private instead.
11:00:36 <boily> going to apply something grabbed from http://stackoverflow.com/a/2565996
11:00:49 <boily> 'hg revert --all --rev 38' in the example.
11:01:19 <boily> `` hg revert --all --rev 5893
11:01:21 <HackEgo> abort: could not lock working directory of /hackenv: Read-only file system
11:02:29 <boily> it seems to have worked.
11:04:01 <boily> I'm there. http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/accbc9c5c7ec/wisdom is the latest revision.
11:05:01 <boily> Gregor: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
11:07:25 <boily> `le/rn to-be-deleted/to-be-deleted
11:07:46 <int-e> what are you doing...
11:09:13 <boily> trying to revert the wisdom to what it was. nearly all 'a*' entries are dead. no 'b*' entries, except 'braid theory'. 'c*', 'd*' and 'e*' have been hit hard.
11:09:14 <int-e> ais523 played Russian roulette with bullets in all the chambers
11:09:40 <boily> it's more to the expanse of the old USSR, with a few ICBMs thrown in.
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11:10:04 <int-e> it was a big revolver, one chamber for each file in wisdom?
11:10:14 * int-e may be stretching the analogy too far
11:10:38 <int-e> . o O ( I need a bigger gun )
11:10:42 <boily> wisdom entries stretched and ripped asunder by a pack of horses.
11:10:54 <boily> . o O ( Atomic horses in bullet chambers )
11:11:06 <int-e> does `revert accept commit ids? like... accbc9c5c7ec
11:11:14 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
11:11:25 <int-e> `revert accbc9c5c7ec
11:11:32 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
11:11:48 <HackEgo> boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department.
11:13:38 <int-e> oh "commit id" <-- I guess I just gave away the fact that I'm more of a git user.
11:17:56 <int-e> <ais523> and still doesn't work because it's all one line
11:18:15 <int-e> a bit of an understatement, there
11:19:32 <boily> git reset --hard HEAD^^ ← even git itself is happy to just scrounge away double-barreled commits.
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11:32:05 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
11:33:36 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
11:34:40 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access frotz xyzzy: No such file or directory
11:34:46 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access frotz: No such file or directory \ ls: cannot access xyzzy: No such file or directory
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11:43:50 <int-e> the behavior of `revert is strange.
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12:55:24 <lambdabot> [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,...
12:56:52 <oerjan> let me guess, ais523's rampage broke all the symbolic links in wisdom/ again
12:57:08 <ais523> oerjan: it was intended to delete entries in wisdom/ at random
12:57:16 <ais523> it may or may not have done something else instead
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12:58:08 <oerjan> @tell ais523 so instead of one thing i don't approve of, it did something far worse, check.
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12:59:08 <int-e> lambdabot: prepare to be recompiled!
13:00:06 <int-e> I didn't have time for this when ghc-7.10.2 was released.
13:00:10 <HackEgo> -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 86 Jun 18 05:10 wisdom/real
13:00:34 <\oren\> if angluar js allows me to use made-up tags, can I use <dⅳ> </dⅳ> tags?
13:00:52 <HackEgo> The reals are an overt complete ordered Brazilian currency invented by Taneb in 1994.
13:01:15 <HackEgo> java is a programming-language shaped collection of misfeatures
13:01:17 <HackEgo> -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 86 Jun 18 05:10 wisdom/real
13:02:00 <oerjan> oh. the repository browser lies even more thoroughly.
13:02:31 <\oren\> does someone own the .js TLD yet?
13:03:29 <int-e> \oren\: I thought the two-letter tlds were reserved for countries
13:03:45 <\oren\> Jahangir Siddiqui, a PAkistani finance company. lame
13:04:18 <int-e> joint statement, joining sequences
13:04:54 <oerjan> today, i saw i vague possibility of the start of a period of relative tranquility in my life. and sure, just as i returned from the dentist, i find carpenters starting to rearrange the outside of the building because they _still_ haven't managed to repair that leak that was here when i moved in two years ago.
13:05:03 <int-e> juggling skunk (code-name for ubuntu 83)
13:05:13 * oerjan also saw a vague possibility of spelling that line right.
13:06:04 <\oren\> i don't see a spelling mistake
13:06:28 <oerjan> this time, one of them claimed they'd actually _found_ the leak, which i guess is progress.
13:06:43 <oerjan> \oren\: it's a small word
13:07:26 <int-e> It's hidden among the mis-capitalized I's.
13:08:04 <\oren\> Ⅰ is the bast miscapitalized I.
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13:08:29 <ais523> oerjan: sorry about what I did to wisdom/
13:08:31 <ais523> I was just really annoyed
13:08:44 <ais523> I guess I'm upset about what this channel has become
13:08:51 <oerjan> int-e: the repository browser claimed to have restored wisdom/real listing the original symbolic link target, but it just copied the contents
13:08:52 <ais523> I tolerate the quotes because at least they're often actually funny
13:09:24 <ais523> I was also assuming that `revert would work and thus it couldn't do real damage, but perhaps I was wrong
13:09:58 <int-e> ais523: `revert is ... somewhat unpredictable.
13:10:21 <int-e> (at least to me; maybe oerjan or Gregor actually understand it)
13:10:22 * oerjan thinks he may have had a bit too much painkiller, he cannot think straight
13:11:59 <HackEgo> [U+2160 ROMAN NUMERAL ONE]
13:14:21 <int-e> `` rm canary wisdom/real
13:14:27 <int-e> `` ls -la wisdom/real
13:14:29 <HackEgo> -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 86 Aug 13 13:14 wisdom/real
13:16:50 <int-e> `` ls -la wisdom/the\ reals
13:16:51 <HackEgo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 4 Jun 6 16:18 wisdom/the reals -> real
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13:18:14 <lambdabot> mueval-core: GhcException "cannot satisfy -package comonad\n (use -v for ...
13:18:35 <lambdabot> mueval-core: GhcException "cannot satisfy -package comonad\n (use -v for ...
13:18:37 <oerjan> you cannot do arithmetic without comonads, obvious fact.
13:19:22 <int-e> oh. I should've backed up that other file, too
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13:22:27 <lambdabot> boily said 12h 45m 5s ago: IOU one swatter
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13:26:54 <\oren\> I've added black chess pieces. if you want white ones, use a white color.
13:28:02 <\oren\> that applies to all symbols. there aren't enough pixels in my font to draw an outline for all these
13:29:01 <ais523> oerjan: if you've actually had more painkiller than the maximum shown on the packet, you should consult a doctor or pharmacist immediately
13:29:17 <ais523> if it's within the bounds on the packet but it's preventing you thinking straight anyway, you should probably reduce the dose in future
13:29:27 <oerjan> i didn't, but i had both my own painkillers + 2 shots from the dentist
13:29:41 <ais523> err, hmm, that could be a problem in its own right
13:29:51 <ais523> did the dentist say which painkiller was in use?
13:29:54 <\oren\> Ooh... drug interactions.
13:30:26 <oerjan> it's listed on the receipt, i could check
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13:31:08 <int-e> gah, why does ghc-7.10.2 ship with vector-0.11.0.0 (7.10.1 shipped with 0.10.12.2)...
13:31:43 <oerjan> in any case, i didn't have problem on previous dentist visits, but this time he did two teeths at once in different parts of the mouth
13:32:08 <ais523> I have no idea about the drug reactions in this case
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13:35:36 <oerjan> i found a web page which lists interaction with some antidepressants; nothing relevant.
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13:37:30 <oerjan> \oren\: the thing about chess pieces is that you need to be able to show _both_ colors of chess piece on _both_ colors of chess square...
13:38:14 <oerjan> so just reverting colors won't be enough
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13:44:32 <mauris> chess variant where one player owns all the pieces on white squares etc.
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13:48:40 <impomatic_> Masked images for the chess pieces. They you can just reverse the colour (and the mask if you wish)
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13:55:18 <TieSoul> mauris: that chess variant sounds interesting
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14:02:56 <int-e> yeah, that's what I meant. I keep forgetting that package on updates
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14:49:03 <int-e> sigh. https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/blob/freenode/patches/dlist-0.7.1.1.patch
14:50:44 <int-e> somebody (tm) should work on https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9724
14:51:32 <int-e> anyway, I haven't had lunch yet... later
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19:04:59 <oerjan> ah that explains how my SO answer got so many upvotes
19:05:07 <oerjan> (the question got reddited)
19:07:18 <oerjan> https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/3grgya/how_atomic_are_ghcs_thunks/
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19:09:32 <ais523> 28 isn't that many upvotes, really
19:09:51 <oerjan> well it's more than i usually get
19:10:09 <shachaf> that's why oerjan is fishing for those premium #esoteric upvotes hth
19:10:33 <shachaf> i would upvote you if i was logged in
19:10:43 <shachaf> but i'm using the wrong computer
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19:10:52 <Taneb> I can't even remember my account details
19:11:00 <ais523> I don't have a StackOverflow account
19:11:06 <oerjan> good, good, because that's _not_ why i mentioned it.
19:11:11 <shachaf> i should go upvote kmc instead for writing that post
19:11:17 <shachaf> where by upvote i mean hug
19:11:42 <oerjan> you're still within hug distance of kmc?
19:12:12 <Taneb> I do not think I am within hug distance of anyone in this channel
19:12:33 <shachaf> oerjan: no, i'm in new york
19:12:42 <shachaf> home of the new york haskell compiler
19:12:50 * oerjan swats shachaf -----###
19:13:10 <oerjan> that means you're within hug distance of Taneb hth
19:13:17 <Taneb> oerjan, can you go on a viking raid or something so I am within hug distance of someone
19:13:33 <shachaf> Taneb: why don't you come to new york instead
19:13:37 <shachaf> it's only three letters away
19:13:45 <Taneb> shachaf, I'm an old-fashioned kind of guy
19:13:46 <shachaf> but hurry because i'm leaving in two days
19:13:53 <Taneb> I even wear a tie in my day to day life sometimes
19:14:28 <oerjan> shachaf: it's the intermediate space that's the problem hth
19:15:09 <ais523> Taneb: I still wear a tie whenever I wear a suit
19:15:11 <shachaf> Taneb: well how will i hug you then
19:15:15 <ais523> even though my boss thinks that that's a bad idea for some reason
19:15:22 <mauris_> what's the pair of place names with the highest (geographical distance / edit distance)
19:15:22 <ais523> I told him it'd be weird wearing a suit if I wasn't wearing a tie
19:15:28 <oerjan> Taneb: do you ever wear a bowtie outside your hoodie twh
19:15:41 <Taneb> oerjan, yes, on occasion
19:15:42 <ais523> mauris_: there are tons of duplicated place names, which each manage +inf on that scale
19:15:52 <Taneb> I am afraid it is a velcro bow tie rather than a proper one
19:15:57 <Taneb> Because I don't know how to tie them
19:16:06 <oerjan> you should ask spj hth
19:16:08 <Taneb> I prefer wearing a tie, though
19:16:44 * int-e growls at oerjan for linking to reddit rather than the original source
19:17:21 <ais523> the Hollywood in Birmingham, UK is much less glitzy than the US place witht the same name
19:17:53 <Taneb> I have never been to either, to my memory
19:18:10 <ais523> you'd be unlikely to go via the one in Birmingham because it now has a bypass
19:18:25 <ais523> so the only reason to go there would be if it were an endpoint of your journey, which is statistically unlikely because it's so small
19:18:28 <Taneb> I am not often in that end of the country
19:18:49 <Taneb> Birmingham's kind of out of the way for someone who mostly spends my time in the North East and Yorkshire
19:19:07 <oerjan> ignoring infinities, to beat south pole vs. north pole, you need two places with 1 edit distance more than half the globe apart
19:19:08 <Taneb> I went up to Edinburgh sometimes too
19:19:23 <ais523> Taneb: Birminghm isn't in an end of the country, it's in the middle (at least if you interpret "country" = "England" and not "UK")
19:19:35 <Taneb> I was using end in a more figurative sense
19:19:53 <ais523> apparently, to a Londoner, even Birmingham is "up north"
19:20:08 <ais523> so I'm unsurprised a resident of York considers it to be excessively south
19:20:10 <Taneb> ais523, I consider York to be "down south"
19:20:40 <Taneb> But when I'm being more serious I do admit the midlands are a place that exist
19:20:59 <ais523> you're already doing better than most people, then :-(
19:21:21 <Taneb> I think I even went to them once
19:21:55 <ais523> most country-wide transport companies (buses, trains, etc.) are headquartered in Birmingham, because it's one of the most convenient places to get to and from
19:22:05 <oerjan> int-e: i did it on the same principle according to which i wouldn't link to an arxiv pdf: the other option does not include a link to the first
19:22:06 <int-e> oerjan: here's a contender: nil river [guatemala] to nile river [india]
19:22:30 <Taneb> ais523, York is about as convenient, I think, but somewhat smaller, and further from London
19:23:02 <ais523> Taneb: well it's hard to get to from anywhere in the south of the country
19:23:26 <Taneb> Direct trains to London like every 15 minutes during the day
19:23:35 <ais523> whereas Birmingham is a good place if you want to reduce average journey times to random places in England (and even if you count the whole UK, it isn't terrible if you weight by population)
19:23:39 <Taneb> And Reading, and Southampton
19:23:50 <ais523> we have three competing train operators all doing frequent direct trains to London
19:24:03 <Taneb> But I think I am biased to the north
19:24:07 <shachaf> Taneb: the real question is when are we going to hug it out twh
19:24:09 <int-e> oerjan: but there must be something better; I was curious whether a 'nil river' exists at all and got lucky :)
19:24:10 <oerjan> <Taneb> I was using end in a more figurative sense <-- like asimov? (explaining this further would be a spoiler)
19:24:25 <Taneb> oerjan, not that figurative
19:24:41 <ais523> Taneb: well I'm one of the people who's happy to admit that the North exists and is relevant
19:24:53 <ais523> even if I personally haven't been north of Sheffield (at least, not since I've been old enough to remember)
19:25:12 <int-e> oerjan: also, perhaps pairs of longer names with the same edit distance should score better.
19:25:17 <Taneb> I haven't been south of Leeds since December, when I went to Australia
19:26:06 <Taneb> But almost all my train journeys are between Hexham, Newcastle, and York
19:26:18 <Taneb> Anyway I am going to go now
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20:32:45 <ais523> has anyone done `olist yet?
20:32:53 <ais523> if not they probably should
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20:39:32 <mauris_> hmm, it's interesting to think about stuff like balls and circles under edit distance
20:40:43 <myname> how do you edit a circle?
20:41:36 <mauris_> i mean like: a circle around a word, under the metric formed by edit distance
20:42:09 <mauris_> C(cat, 1) = {ca, ct, at, aat, bat, ...}
20:43:16 <mauris_> i wonder if you can "circumscribe" every set of words, i.e. find a word that has equal edit distance to all of them
20:48:47 <myname> i guess you just need to know how often words of what length occur
20:49:19 <myname> mauris_: the challenge is the smallest distance at that
20:49:42 <myname> i can find a word for every set if the dostance is as large as the largest word
20:52:01 <mauris_> i suppose it's trivially impossible if you have a one-character alphabet, rip
20:52:17 <mauris_> like "a" and "aa" and "aaaa" can't share a center
20:54:52 <myname> oh, yeah, didn't tjought of a limited alphabet
20:55:58 <ais523> if you have an infinitely large alphabet
20:56:11 <ais523> you can do it using a word that's longer than any of the other words and has no characters in common
20:58:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Ultimate Programming Language to Take Over a Prison, Then He World]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43725&oldid=43712 * Iisu * (+1354) Minor fixes, added multiplication, added a Hello world program
20:58:33 <myname> you could try minimizing that by building a trie or the like
21:00:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43726&oldid=43648 * Iisu * (+73) /* U */
21:00:36 <Taneb> ais523, I felt like playing CKII for a bit
21:00:52 <ais523> hmm, how far south is that?
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21:03:47 <Taneb> Which apparently is in the Petty Kingdom of Strathclyde
21:03:56 <ais523> I like the name "petty kingdom"
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21:09:19 <oerjan> `` olist 998 # nope, i didn't see no one do nothing
21:09:29 <HackEgo> olist 998: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
21:12:20 <Taneb> Actually, in my CKII game, the Petty Kingdom of Strathclyde is *only* York
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21:31:03 <oerjan> oots prediction: durkon's presence swings the vote.
21:32:58 <oerjan> towards the most dangerous option...
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21:37:53 <shachaf> oerjan: and there i was thinking his presence would be insignificant
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21:50:26 <oerjan> shachaf: you don't say.
21:51:01 <oerjan> well ok the real twist is that it's the option roy just tried to argue for.
21:54:50 <Taneb> Hmm, I seem to be doing the thing where I forget to do everything again
21:55:35 <Taneb> Eating is a bit harder
21:55:45 <shachaf> Taneb: did the latest olist take your breath away
21:55:56 <Taneb> It might, if I read Order of the Stick
21:56:35 <Taneb> I have not, however, so it does not
21:56:51 <shachaf> another thing on the list of things you're forgetting to do
21:57:34 <Taneb> I am going to deal with other ones first
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22:47:08 <boily> I swear, every time I update the wisdom for some reason or another, there's a new Tanebvention.
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22:51:22 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex.
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22:52:03 <\oren\> uh, the universe involves a lot of sex...
22:53:31 <HackEgo> The universe was invented by Taneb as an opposing force to oerjan.
23:03:14 <MDude> Sex runs a few layers of abstraction running above that of the universe.
23:04:57 <MDude> I guess his inventions perform plasmid exchange instead.
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23:11:33 <boily> Taneb: Tanelle. do you exchange plasmids regularly? if so, you may be an unicellular creature.
23:12:07 <boily> (for the record, I got nothing against unicellular protists. they're as thwackable as anything else.)
23:13:38 <boily> also, ♪ fresh new PDF version with about all the alphabet covered, and some more ♪
23:13:45 <boily> I still need to update the quotes.
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23:37:02 <coppro> why did google bring back underlines
23:38:20 <oerjan> the underlings demanded it
23:38:34 <boily> cheloppro. it's to support their links hth
23:38:47 <boily> hellørjan. Sgello. hellochaf, and MDudello.
23:43:46 <\oren\> I want to start a mutual fund where the manager is literally a chimpanzee.
23:45:32 <\oren\> or maybe a gorilla or a bonboo or somthing
23:47:33 * oerjan steals boily's mapole and *THWACKS* MDude
23:47:58 <\oren\> my point is we will buy the companies that the monkey throws the least shit at
23:48:28 <boily> right, I own you a swatter.
23:48:37 <MDude> Instead of just logos, there should be live feeds of news on each company.
23:49:02 * boily gives oerjan a nice mahogany/carballoy swatter and grabs back his trusty mapole
23:49:28 <oerjan> um this is not The Swatter
23:49:43 * oerjan rummages in boily's drawers
23:51:06 * oerjan makes sounds like a fly
23:51:16 <boily> it's taped to my mapole.
23:52:03 <\oren\> "Our Chimpanzee-based investing strategy gives you exposure to primate-friendly markets with a range of yields."
23:53:58 <boily> you won't get me alive!
23:54:03 * boily hides behind a moose
23:54:26 * oerjan uses his trusty moose whistle to start a stampede
23:54:51 * oerjan quickly swaps the swatters in the confusion
23:56:59 <oerjan> i'm sorry but it's definitely _not_ noon, but more than an hour after midnight