00:14:08 <boily> there should be French, Swedish and Tibetan versions.
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00:35:41 <fizzie> Phantom_Hoover: You're saying it has to do with the nationality and not the location of the recipient?
00:51:06 <oren_> can someone fork nano and remove the Justify button
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01:21:57 <FreeFull> oren_: Why not switch to a better editor?
01:28:02 <Phantom_Hoover> ed is definitely better at not ruining your work because of a single errant keypress
01:29:13 <oren_> one of these days I'll write my own editor from scratch
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02:05:00 <tswett> A while ago, I decided that, in order to make my speech just a little bit more gender-neutral, I would abandon the generic greeting "Hey guys", replacing it with "Hey you guys".
02:05:29 <tswett> In retrospect, this seems kind of silly.
02:17:00 <izabera> how do you simulate a 7 sided die with a 5 sided die?
02:20:52 <pikhq> Roll the 5 sided die twice, keeping track of each roll seperately. Add the first die to 5 times the second. If the result is over 21, reroll. Otherwise, mod 7 the result.
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02:21:30 <lifthrasiir> pikhq: is that a standard or de-facto way to do that?
02:22:36 <Jafet> pikhq rejected your rhetorical question
02:22:59 <pikhq> lifthrasiir: It's at least pretty close to a standard way of doing it. You're basically rolling a random base 5 two-digit number, and discarding those samples that would skew the distribution.
02:42:09 <oren_> (1/x)^((1/x)-1) is asymptotically linear?
02:45:36 <oren_> well it LOOKS linear
02:49:17 <Sgeo_> Como se dice guys en spivak?
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02:50:16 <izabera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayatri_Chakravorty_Spivak
02:51:11 <oren_> a guy called spivak wrote my calculus textbook
02:51:15 <Sgeo_> izabera, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun
02:53:15 <oren_> oh, that is somehow the same spivak, wtf
02:57:14 <oren_> fuckit I can't remebewr how to prove this with limit math, so i'mma do an ε δ proof
02:59:55 <oren_> er, i guess it's a ε N proof. whatever
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03:05:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Symball]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44200&oldid=44199 * GoogolPlanck * (-6) /* = Generation 1 */
03:06:25 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Symball]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44201&oldid=44200 * GoogolPlanck * (-3) /* = Generation 3 (produced by G2) */
03:07:46 <oren_> oh right. x^x = 1 when x = 1, and x^x is a smooth function.
03:08:18 <oren_> s/when x = 1/when x = 0/
03:09:00 <oren_> hence (1/x)^(1/x) approaches 1 as x -> +oo
03:09:33 <oren_> hence (1/x)^(1/x-1) * 1/x -> 1
03:09:55 <oren_> hence (1/x)^(1/x-1) is asymptot. linear in x
03:10:33 <oren_> (the line in question being y=x)
03:12:22 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Symball]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44202&oldid=44201 * GoogolPlanck * (+4) /* ESO/Smiley/Hello, World! */
03:12:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Symball]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44203&oldid=44202 * GoogolPlanck * (+9) /* Symball */
03:24:12 <MDude> Gah, curse you college webservers!
03:25:20 <MDude> I can't get to a page on bubble logic because schools keep deleting the websites they host for students.
03:27:02 <MDude> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluidics#cite_note-2
03:27:56 <MDude> http://www.wired.com/2012/04/soldier-crabs/
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05:19:36 <hppavilion[1]> 1) Fraction Point (32 bit numerator, 32 bit denominator)
05:20:35 <Jafet> Knuth advocates floating-slash fractions
05:20:52 <hppavilion[1]> 2) Floating Point w/ expansion: Sort of like normal floating point, but with some bits dedicated to saying how many of the value's digits are repeated
05:21:41 <Jafet> The initial bits of a floating-slash number indicate how many bits are used by the numerator; the remaining bits are used for the denominator.
05:21:41 <Sgeo_> Floating point with the bits rearranged, their precise arrangement depends on the time of day.
05:21:47 <^v> hppavilion[1], why floating point expansion
05:22:57 <hppavilion[1]> It would be offered SEPARATELY from normal floating point
05:23:12 <^v> i suppose then you have a denominator float
05:23:33 <^v> that way you can have exact fractions
05:24:43 <^v> well thats true in normal C
05:25:20 <hppavilion[1]> Last time I checked, no it isn't. Due to rounding errors.
05:26:23 <^v> for non power of two numbers
05:27:05 <hppavilion[1]> Of course, the example I gave would just be optimized to "true" xD
05:27:58 <^v> so.. you use bignums?
05:28:27 <^v> infinite precision numbers
05:28:29 <^v> they are common
05:28:56 <Jafet> How would you treat: accurate double x = 2; return pow(pow(sqrt(x), sqrt(x)), sqrt(x));
05:29:39 <Jafet> > (sqrt 2 ** sqrt 2) ** sqrt 2
05:29:40 <^v> still figuring out how im going to make the language with only ^ and v
05:29:48 <Jafet> > (sqrt 2 ** sqrt 2) ** sqrt 2 :: CReal
05:30:38 <hppavilion[1]> Jafet: So... um... did you find a massive flaw wiht my Accurate Floating Point thing what?
05:31:40 <hppavilion[1]> MWAHAHAHAHA I HAVE RUINED MILLIONS OF PAST TEXTS EVERYWHERE
05:32:02 <^v> so, the only solutions to the 0.2+0.1~=0.3 problem is either to use fractions (which are not space efficient) or store the numbers in base 10
05:33:40 <hppavilion[1]> Did you just assign 0.3 to 0.3~0.3? NO! YOU HAVE RUINED MATHEMATICS!
05:34:47 <hppavilion[1]> To have some extra bits denoting what part after the decimal point expands
05:35:00 <Jafet> Fractions are as space efficient as floats (up to a factor of about 1/3, the asymptotic density of Farey sequences)
05:36:42 <hppavilion[1]> Depending on what the RNG spits out when you call it, it can be 10.5, 1.05, 0.105, 105000000000000000000000000000000.0, etc (pretending we're using base 10)
05:37:04 <Jafet> Wait, I'm still sinking about it.
05:38:54 <^v> .com domains are like $8 now
05:39:01 <^v> i got pxtst.com xD
05:39:38 <^v> i think the ^v language will be a polymorphic huffman tree
05:40:03 <^v> i bet its like $400 a month
05:40:38 <^v> domain squatting is already illegal
05:41:27 <^v> all they have to do is put "this is not domain squatting" on the page and its not illegal anymore
05:42:02 <hppavilion[1]> According to Wikipedia fixed-length strings can be viewed topologically as vertices of a hypercube
05:42:11 <hppavilion[1]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_%28computer_science%29#Topology
05:42:48 <^v> a string can be viewed as molecules
05:43:04 <coppro> you can get the hypercubic graphs as cayley graphs in this way
05:45:47 <hppavilion[1]> 2D strings would be useful for CJK representations
05:46:05 <hppavilion[1]> With the x-axis representing characters and points along the y-axis representing components of those characters
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06:32:18 <myname> esoteric string representation?
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12:53:57 <ais523> hmm, the topic looks like IPA, but it isn't
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12:54:09 <ais523> what language is that? English written in an IPA-like style?
12:54:34 <ais523> [CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from ais523: 18 seconds.
12:55:50 <oerjan> ais523: what's non-IPA about it?
12:56:21 <ais523> oerjan: things like "ŋɡ"
12:56:40 <ais523> hmm, I had a 59-second ping at one point
12:56:47 <ais523> then a bunch of messages came through at once (including the ping response)
12:56:55 <oerjan> 20 seconds to you from here
12:57:38 <oerjan> ais523: well i remember we discussed "ng" in english recently and at least one person insisted it _always_ includes a g sound at the end
12:57:48 <APic> 14:57:44 CTCP PING reply from ais523: 27.119 seconds
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12:57:54 <APic> Heya Phantom_Hoover
12:58:11 <oerjan> i think possibly oren_
12:58:33 <APic> You Guys do not even measure Split-Seconds in CTCP-Pings yet? =^ﻨ^=
12:59:00 <oerjan> i knew it did in "finger", but wasn't aware it applied to so many words
12:59:00 <ais523> ah, so the topic is the result of a debate over how IPA /should/ work? that makes a lot of sense
12:59:03 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: i did yes
12:59:18 <oerjan> ais523: well no, the topic is new and i wasn't here
13:00:22 <oerjan> while the discussion i recall was weeks ago
13:01:20 <Phantom_Hoover> have you noticed that the titular andy has since written a book that has now been adapted into some massive hollywood film
13:01:45 <oerjan> ais523: have you tried switching servers
13:02:13 <oerjan> hm /wii responds immediately
13:02:56 <ais523> oerjan: it's not just Freenode that's the problem, it's every website, so I doubt that would help; I suspect the issue is at the router at my end
13:04:49 <oerjan> APic: it shows split seconds just fine, i just didn't see the point in including them
13:05:07 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: um no?
13:06:20 <APic> oerjan: I see.
13:06:31 <ais523> oerjan: the resolution of a ping depends on your client
13:06:41 <Phantom_Hoover> i keep laughing stupidly to myself whenever i see posters for it
13:07:52 <ais523> actually, most clients have stateless pings, meaning that you can send them ping responses unsolicited and they'll display them as implausible times
13:08:53 <Phantom_Hoover> oerjan, obviously his realisation that he was an incredibly bad artist paid off
13:12:08 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: the comic isn't even mentioned on his wikipedia page :(
13:13:33 <Phantom_Hoover> "see also his other abandoned webcomic and his bestselling novel"
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13:36:40 <Phantom_Hoover> i only read enough to remember that dmm actually made a GURPS module for c&a
13:38:04 <oerjan> i made the mistake of starting to read the example section. but it'll surely be ok if i can just avoid doing so recursively.
13:39:11 * int-e rediscovered A Miracle of Science.
13:39:28 <int-e> (which I read at about the same time as C&A)
13:39:46 <int-e> and GG has a pie chart.
13:40:25 <int-e> so since we're now investigating time... is GG going to end soon?
13:41:25 * int-e is afraid that Agatha may turn out to be her own mother.
13:41:32 <oerjan> ooh that was the first apparition
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13:43:46 <oerjan> int-e: well for the other apparitions they'll have to find the geisterdamen...
13:45:02 <int-e> Maybe they're in Paris too. ;)
13:46:29 <int-e> Twist: Nothing is at it seems; the great Wizard of Paris is actually Klaus in disguise, who has been secretly helping Agatha all this time.
13:47:35 <oerjan> heh the first pages are no longer entirely black and white
13:48:01 <oerjan> int-e: maybe a _little_ bit far there...
13:55:42 <int-e> just making clear I still don't really know how this is going to end, despite all the hints.
13:56:01 <oerjan> SURELY IT'S ALL OBVIOUS
13:56:17 <oerjan> if you're a dreen, anyway
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14:05:20 <int-e> oerjan: I can make it worse: It's all a dream. Agatha wakes up and goes to school. The end.
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16:24:46 <nortti> oren_: í sē ýū tū háv kriātyd y nýū orþográfi for Iŋliś
16:26:14 <nortti> ī háv tu sā, yors is mor līkli tu bē ydopted
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16:49:42 <Phantom_Hoover> nortti, the first vowel in 'likely' is a diphthong hth
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16:51:30 <nortti> Phantom_Hoover: in that orthography, the "I" diphtong is marked ī
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18:26:41 <`^_^v> i have no idea what #bp is
18:27:17 <`^_^v> i'm only ever on prog lang chans
18:28:28 <MDude> British Petroleum channel?
18:28:35 <Phantom_Hoover> huh. #bp on espernet, for the freespace mod? i swear i got freaked out when i noticed you were in both
18:30:00 <`^_^v> some guy must have stolen my nick
18:30:07 <`^_^v> cant blame him, its a pretty sweet nick
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18:40:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Stare/1.0]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44206&oldid=44205 * Hppavilion1 * (+0) Changed a function to the proper one (not chr, ord)
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18:57:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[DeafPig]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44208&oldid=44207 * GoogolPlanck * (+42)
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20:23:10 <hppavilion[1]> If so, are you the one who suggested some stuff for IO in TaurusVM?
20:27:09 <fizzie> I don't remember doing that.
20:27:20 <fizzie> Although that's not saying much.
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20:28:46 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: i won't change it, but it's a political perspective, not a latin word at all.
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20:54:26 <MDude> I'm not sure how I should implement codesine
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21:09:17 <hppavilion[1]> I vote we move Object-Oriented to either Object-Oriented Paradigm or Object-Oriented Programming
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21:30:01 <tswett> I'll move it if someone else agrees that it should be moved.
21:30:16 <tswett> My preference between the two options would be "Object-oriented programming".
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21:33:32 <ais523> object-oriented programming sounds like a page written from the point of view of the programmer, whereas object-oriented paradigm sounds like a page written from the point of view of the language designer
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21:51:40 <ais523> hmm, I'm being pinged a lot for no obvious reason
21:51:49 <ais523> I don't massively have the solution to everything people ask about
21:51:58 <ais523> as you can tell from my typos
21:52:18 <ais523> (interestingly I tend to typo real words into other real words, because if I typo into a nonword I typically correct it out of habit)
21:52:48 <hppavilion[1]> I'm just needy and want people to respond to me so I don't feel lonely, which likely stems from not having many friends as a child, and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...
21:53:48 <ais523> I like it when people respond to me too, I've just gotten used to waiting weeks or months
21:54:09 <ais523> (I bring it on myself by designing esolangs that are too complex/weird for anyone else to understand, and often for me to understand either)
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22:01:12 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[TaurusVM]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44211&oldid=44085 * Hppavilion1 * (+547) Extended and reaccurated page
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22:23:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Loader]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44212&oldid=44210 * SuperJedi224 * (+39)
22:23:29 <hppavilion[1]> I have arithmetic operations, SET, MOV, indirection, and conditional branching on various conditions
22:24:21 <Phantom__Hoover> hppavilion[1], well i mean... it doesn't take much to be TC
22:24:41 <Phantom__Hoover> the interesting part for me is languages which are almost but not quite tc
22:24:47 <hppavilion[1]> I mean, asside from both TC AND being easy to TC which
22:25:22 <hppavilion[1]> Of course, my VM is designed to actually be useful in some respect
22:25:42 <hppavilion[1]> AND I mean it's officially TC IN THE REFERENCE IMPLEMENTATION
22:25:51 <boily> is it possible to be useful without TC?
22:26:06 <Phantom__Hoover> CC isn't that interesting in general, interesting semantics are much better
22:26:40 <boily> Phantom__Helloover. who's C?
22:27:27 <hppavilion[1]> It's basically a computer that does a LOT of string handling on the machine code level
22:29:09 <boily> that's quite novel.
22:35:29 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[TaurusVM]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44213&oldid=44211 * Hppavilion1 * (+470) Added two more VMs
22:40:13 <HackEgo> Learned 'yuy': yuy yuy:yay::lulz:lol
22:40:23 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: yuy: not found
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22:42:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[TaurusVM]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44214&oldid=44213 * Hppavilion1 * (+86) Nothing of importance
22:48:51 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: set: not found
22:48:58 <HackEgo> Usage: sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \ \ -n, --quiet, --silent \ suppress automatic printing of pattern space \ -e script, --expression=script \ add the script to the commands to be executed \ -f script-file, --file=script-file \ add the contents of script-
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22:57:03 <fizzie> You tried to use ` instead of ``.
22:57:19 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `sed: not found
22:57:23 <fizzie> You're using the shell feature of multiple arguments.
23:00:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[TaurusVM]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44215&oldid=44214 * Hppavilion1 * (+245) See Also Section
23:00:38 <fizzie> There's a le/rn for learning things "foo" that aren't of the form "foo ...".
23:01:02 <fizzie> I think the syntax would've been `le/rn yuy/yuy:yay:... or something like that.
23:01:46 <shachaf> Unfortunately it doesn't work for things with /s in their names.
23:03:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[TaurusVM]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44216&oldid=44215 * Hppavilion1 * (+2) Dammit, wikimarkup
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23:23:36 <HackEgo> oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house. He'll orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon.
23:23:54 <HackEgo> hppavilion[1] se describe en las notas al pie. ¿Porqué no los dos? Nadie lo sabe.
23:24:38 <shachaf> `` sed -i 's/orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon/probably get the hang of touch typing soon/' wisdom/oren # hth
23:24:54 <hppavilion[1]> Someone should open a dictionary and start defining every normal word too
23:25:25 <HackEgo> Learned 'toe': Toe of Harriness's Enclave
23:25:32 <HackEgo> Learned 'toe': the Toe of Harriness's Enclave
23:25:37 <HackEgo> the Toe of Harriness's Enclave
23:26:17 <oren_> `learn foe Field-On Enemy
23:26:19 <HackEgo> Learned 'foe': foe Field-On Enemy
23:26:23 <HackEgo> Learned 'toe': the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
23:26:35 <oren_> `learn the foe is the Field-On Enemy
23:26:37 <HackEgo> Learned 'foe': the foe is the Field-On Enemy
23:26:43 <HackEgo> Learned 'toe': The Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
23:27:16 <HackEgo> Learned 'toe': the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
23:27:24 <oren_> `le/rn the/the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
23:27:43 <HackEgo> the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
23:28:40 <HackEgo> A is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters.
23:29:07 <hppavilion[1]> I don't even get what it's referencing, but that's awesome
23:29:33 <HackEgo> Learned 'b': b is, in fact, a village in norway
23:29:41 <HackEgo> Learned 'b': B is, in fact, a village in norway
23:29:43 <HackEgo> B is, in fact, a village in norway
23:30:35 <hppavilion[1]> Why don't we go through EVERY letter of the alphabet, saying they are or aren't a village in norway depending on the primality of their (1-based) index in the alphabet?
23:31:35 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wisdome: not found
23:31:36 <HackEgo> intercal/INTERCAL has excellent features for modular program for the enterprise market.
23:32:27 <hppavilion[1]> `le/rn wisdome/The place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom
23:32:40 <HackEgo> The place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom
23:33:17 <zgrep> But... wouldn't that mean that every time you type `wisdom, there are less and less options as they keep fighting to the death?
23:34:01 <hppavilion[1]> Which is why you shouldn't participate their horrifyingly mosterous system
23:34:40 <HackEgo> wlcom/Hi! This is a chat about unusual programming tools. For additional info, visit our wiki: <http://bit.ly/C4TUY>. (For unusual things of a contrasting sort, try http://bit.ly/19k9nf8.)
23:35:36 <hppavilion[1]> Now someone needs to make a command called `wisdom that, when executed, talks about <wisdom element a> <killing> <wisdom element b> in the wisdome
23:36:31 <hppavilion[1]> Alternatively, that allows users to add horrific death scenes as one kills the other
23:37:03 <hppavilion[1]> Now I'm tempted to write a HackBot fanfic about the Wisdome
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23:40:24 <HackEgo> The place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom
23:44:32 <HackEgo> for further details/who knows
23:44:46 <HackEgo> fsm/An FSM is a state machine with noodly appendages.
23:58:53 <HackEgo> ørjan/Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers.
23:59:24 <boily> and here I was thinking that int-e was oerjan's good twin. or at least the less evil one.
23:59:30 <HackEgo> grue/grue is the colour of the trees and the ocean
23:59:42 <boily> that much I agrue with.