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00:13:33 <shachaf> fizzie: At first I thought you meant rolled counterclockwise rather than clockwise.
00:13:58 <shachaf> Why do you care about the rolling direction?
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00:30:24 <fizzie> shachaf: Comfort of the familiar.
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00:31:28 <boily> shachaf is a familiar?
00:32:30 <oren> oh, so swedes roll cinnamon buns azimuthally, while finns roll them longitudinally?
00:33:15 <boily> he\\wooobackspacebackspacenobackslashesAAAAAAAAAAAabortabortabortaboren!
00:33:32 <boily> what happened to your eponymous backslashes?
00:33:53 <FireFly> The ones rolled the "correct" (i.e. wrong) way remind me of http://gifflar.com/wp-content/themes/gifflar/images/cinnamon-bag.png
00:34:09 <shachaf> how do swedish-speaking finn roll them?
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00:34:51 <shachaf> fizzie: you'll have to roll your own cinnamon buns hth
00:34:58 <fizzie> FireFly: Yeah, Pågen's Gifflar are kind of the cheapest possible borderline-acceptable rendering of the thing.
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00:35:00 <shachaf> i've made them in the past, although i rolled mine incorrectly
00:35:27 <fizzie> It's a couple magnitudes off the real thing, though.
00:36:12 <FireFly> I don't think I've had any cinnamon buns rolled the finnish way
00:36:24 <fizzie> Here's something else that's annoying. In the Europe song The Final Countdown, the lyrics imply that the narrator is leaving Earth ("And maybe we'll come back / To earth, who can tell?"), and is going to Venus ("We're heading for Venus (Venus) / And still we stand tall"), but then they say: "With so many lightyears to go". What sort of Earth-Venus route *can* they be taking that has "so many ...
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00:38:44 <fizzie> FireFly: FWIW, I don't think the rolling has that much of an effect on the taste, and the BLABAR ones were perfectly acceptable. I just go "but that's wrong" whenever I see them rolled the usual way.
00:39:06 <boily> \oren\: could you enthicken 幻 hth
00:40:35 <fizzie> If any of y'all ever happen to be in the Finland, though, I'd recommend http://www.yelp.com/biz/caf%C3%A9-succes-helsinki-2
00:41:45 <boily> fizziello. “500 error. Woof, something went wrong. Sorry about that!”
00:41:59 <shachaf> fizzie: Well, they might've left Earth a long time ago.
00:42:11 <shachaf> They aren't saying that they're on Earth now.
00:42:22 <shachaf> fizzie: I was also using Yelp to look at cinnamon buns and I also got a 500 error.
00:44:15 <fizzie> shachaf: Well, maybe. But the first part is: "We're leaving together, -- And maybe we'll come back / To earth, who can tell? -- We're leaving ground (leaving ground) / Will things ever be the same again?"
00:44:19 <fizzie> shachaf: I mean, maybe you can read them as currently leaving some other place, and still "coming back" to Earth, but I don't think that's a very natural interpretation.
00:45:09 <fizzie> Of course (at least in this transcription) it's a lowercase-earth, so maybe it's not Earth-earth.
00:45:58 <shachaf> Well, I've never heard that song.
00:47:10 <shachaf> Well, maybe I've heard it and I just don't remember.
00:47:47 <FireFly> Maybe it's more a thing over here
00:47:53 <shachaf> fizzie: Maybe they're using lightyears as a measure of time instead of distance.
00:48:29 <fizzie> I guess they're a Swedish band, that could be.
00:48:34 <FireFly> It's probably just meant to be technobabbly and sound spacey
00:48:54 <fizzie> The music video has a sign on it that says "Rökning förbjudet" and all.
00:49:03 <shachaf> I tend to just not know popular songs.
00:51:18 <fizzie> "Europe has achieved new attention in the US due to being featured in a GEICO Insurance cable television commercial campaign viewed for many months across the US in 2015-16."
00:54:14 <shachaf> europe is so small that america hardly cares about it
00:54:19 <shachaf> http://i.imgur.com/SLBqUWY.jpg
00:57:39 <FireFly> I don't think it works like that
00:57:59 <fizzie> I like the way North America (and Greenland) is there too.
01:03:36 <shachaf> fizzie: it makes you think, doesn't it
01:04:09 * boily sings “you spin me right round ♪”
01:04:26 <boily> . o O ( that burner makes a helluva noise... )
01:06:09 <shachaf> fizzie: What are the white things on the cinnamon bun? Sugar?
01:08:23 <shachaf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aVgZleqdy4
01:08:39 <fizzie> shachaf: I think it's probably just map projections, they can be confusing like that. And yes, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nib_sugar
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02:14:51 <boily> apparently the grilf has got a new mechanical keyboard, and she wants to smack me with it to make sure it's solid enough...
02:18:18 <quintopia> got a coupon for a game that looks fun that i would probably never get to play
02:24:11 <boily> also, I'm battling against an old iMac, trying to install ubuntu on it.
02:24:46 <boily> (all-in-one desktop thing, from a friend's mom.)
02:24:54 <boily> (fungotting machine de mes deux qui veut rien savoir.
02:24:55 <fungot> boily: man. it just so happens that today, the 13th of april. another day of uneventful but highly satisfying deliveries. everyone is dead. in this timeline ( i.e. just scroll down, read it later, somehow.
02:26:53 <quintopia> while you're battling can you tell whether the mech kb is nkro?
02:30:25 <boily> one of the Cooler Masters with cherry browns. the model was running at a good price on amazon.ca, which was quite unusual.
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02:34:15 <boily> of course I prefer Ducky, but you don't look a gift keyboard in the switches.
02:34:28 <quintopia> tell her she should start learning steno
02:34:31 <boily> I never tried the reds. do they live up to the "cloud of boobs" hype?
02:35:08 <quintopia> i've not heard this hype, but they certainly have no variations in resistance along their travel
02:35:15 <boily> meanwhile, «Firefox ne peut établir de connexion avec le serveur à l'adresse en.wikipedia.org.» wtf.
02:35:48 <boily> «Firefox ne peut établir de connexion avec le serveur à l'adresse fr.wikipedia.org.»
02:35:54 <boily> what the fungot is going on.
02:35:54 <fungot> boily: good idea! the thought of that??? you are quite a sn0b simple. the defaced the walls of his room. john. return, he teaches her to fly a little higher, to see if john is of course.
02:36:33 <boily> okay, it reappeared...
02:37:20 * boily wildly flails around with a spookfish on his head
02:37:52 <boily> http://www.typewriter.be/images/grandjean-03b.jpg ?
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02:39:07 <boily> it's... something. it has keys.
02:39:33 <boily> but it's time for me to reconcile my head with a carefully thrown pillow.
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02:42:29 <lifthrasiir> https://molarmanful.github.io/ESMin/ another golfscript cousin?
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06:25:54 <shachaf> `` echo 'oerjan' | sed soeø
06:26:08 <shachaf> hmm, that won't show up properly in the logs
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07:01:36 <\oren\> chitandael is an angel, like uriel or gabriel
07:01:54 <shachaf> are you sure it's not a pair of rescue rangers
07:04:21 <\oren\> (it's actually a japanese pun about a chracter named chitanda eru)
07:05:38 <shachaf> (mine is a pun about characters named chip and dale)
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07:48:57 <hppavilion[1]> Frankly, I'm not a fan of the Hero's Journey because it doesn't feature proper branching capabilities- you can never have a Hero's Journey tragedy
07:52:48 <hppavilion[1]> Hero's Journey... Villain's Journey... Mook's Journey... Sidekick's Journey... Innocent Bystander's Journey... Reader's Journey...
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11:12:55 <Taneb> Woke up in time for my exam but now I am really stressed
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11:19:17 <boily> Tanelle. which one is it today?
11:26:28 <Taneb> This morning was Cryptography
11:26:31 <Taneb> This afternoon is "Programming: Correctness by Construction"
11:28:56 <boily> Taneb: sounds scary.
11:29:24 <boily> b_jellonas. if you have injured yourself in the fiddly parts, please don't live any hard to clean bloodstains in the channel hth
11:29:39 <b_jonas> `slashlearn hand injuries/Hand injuries are surprisingly common among webcomic writers, see eg. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2314 or http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0864.html
11:29:59 <b_jonas> ``` cp -vi wisdom/hand\ injur{ie,y}
11:30:02 <HackEgo> cp: cannot stat `wisdom/hand injurie': No such file or directory
11:30:04 <b_jonas> ``` cp -vi wisdom/hand\ injur{ies,y}
11:30:11 <HackEgo> `wisdom/hand injuries' -> `wisdom/hand injury'
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11:31:11 <Taneb> boily, I suppose it'd be common in any career that involves fiddly but repetitive movement of hands
11:31:15 <Taneb> Like, for example, drawing
11:31:43 <b_jonas> Taneb: no, I think it's just that we learn more about them when it happens to someone who can't draw when his hand is injured.
11:31:55 <b_jonas> It's common for everyone. Both my parents have hand hand injuries.
11:32:59 <boily> maybe it's hereditary?
11:32:59 <b_jonas> My mother injured her hand when skiing, my father injured his with a saw when woodworking, my brother has a smaller woodworking injury too.
11:33:22 <b_jonas> But you don't know about those because they don't draw webcomics.
11:34:02 <b_jonas> boily: that's possible, although I haven't caught it yet. I get my injuries in my right knee, I get a new wound there every eight years, so it will soon be time for the fourth wound.
11:34:11 <b_jonas> The third has started to fade so it's high time.
11:34:31 <int-e> I like hand hand injuries
11:34:55 <int-e> . o O ( punchline: it happened at their wedding ceremony while cutting the cake )
11:35:26 <int-e> "Both my parents have had hand injuries."
11:35:27 <Taneb> b_jonas, the person holding up the cake
11:36:52 <b_jonas> int-e: I wouldn't know about that. They didn't invite me to the wedding, and it was back when photography was expensive, so there isn't much documented evidence about it.
11:37:51 <int-e> obviously I'm not claiming that this actually happened
11:39:00 <int-e> and obviously I'm stating the obvious
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12:48:18 <b_jonas> `slashlearn adpoted/"Oh lord, we've adpoted another one." => Marten realizes how the webcomic he lives in works in http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2298
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13:34:07 <b_jonas> `slashlearn adpoted/"Oh lord, we've adpoted another one." (about Emily) => Marten realizes what kind of webcomic he lives in in http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2298
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13:53:45 <HackEgo> Y is a commune in France. There's nothing funny about this.
14:02:36 <HackEgo> hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous.
14:11:26 <b_jonas> Do you happen to know an easy trick to format floating-point numbers as decimal scientific format, but with fewer digits in the exponent than the libc sprintf writes by default?
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14:14:05 <fizzie> Isn't the exponent just an (unpadded) integer? How could you have less digits than that?
14:14:33 <b_jonas> fizzie: no, it's usually padded with zeros to at least two or three digits depending on libc, and has the sign always present
14:15:05 <b_jonas> fizzie: the C standard doesn't specify how many digits are used, so libcs can choose on themselves
14:15:49 <b_jonas> fizzie: this is actually one of the easiest ways to recognize windows's libc, because it uses three digits, and that's propagated to lots of higher level programs or functions
14:16:27 <b_jonas> fizzie: I don't think I've seen any libc use only one digit though
14:18:03 <b_jonas> `perl -eprintf "%e",exp(1)
14:18:17 <b_jonas> ^ that prints 2.718282e+000 on windows
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14:21:23 <fizzie> Seems to be 2 on glibc, right.
14:24:19 <fizzie> b_jonas: The standard *does* specify how many digits there should be in the exponent, at least in C11, and the Windows libc is in violation.
14:24:59 <fizzie> C11 7.21.6.1p8 on the 'e' conversion: "The exponent always contains at least two digits, and only as many more digits as necessary to represent the exponent."
14:25:42 <b_jonas> fizzie: does it now? I thought it didn't, and the windows libc was in violation "only" in how it formats and scans infinite, nan, and denormal values
14:26:39 <fizzie> It's that way also in C99, but not in C89.
14:26:55 <b_jonas> fizzie: a moment, I'll read up on this
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14:27:12 <fizzie> In C89 it's only "at least two digits", without the "only as many more as needed" add-on.
14:29:28 <fizzie> Also, C99 rationale: "For %e, C99 clarifies that small exponents contain at least 2 digits, but no more than are necessary to represent the value. Prior to C99, it was not clear that an arbitrary number of leading zeros were not allowed."
14:30:24 <b_jonas> fizzie: you're right, C99 and C11 do specify this. I didn't know that
14:31:44 <b_jonas> Ok, so my question is how I use only one digit in the exponent when that's enough.
14:32:08 <fizzie> I think you're going to have to resort to doing string processing in C.
14:32:36 <xfix> Does Windows even support anything from C99 standard library (that isn't part of C++)?
14:33:21 <b_jonas> xfix: yes, these days (in MSVC 2013 and 2015) it has much of C99 and C11 implemented (not all though),
14:33:49 <b_jonas> xfix: in particular it does implement the rint, trunc and the lrint, ltrunc functions.
14:34:07 <fizzie> "C Runtime Library": "C99 Conformance -- Visual Studio 2015 fully implements the C99 Standard Library, with the exception of any library features that depend on compiler features not yet supported by the Visual C++ compiler (for example, <tgmath.h> is not implemented)."
14:34:09 <b_jonas> xfix: the support was quite bad in older versions though
14:34:57 <xfix> I guess it's technically a bug, but I sorta doubt Microsoft would fix it because compatibility.
14:35:17 <xfix> There may be programs somewhere depending on three digits, considering this is Windows.
14:36:24 <b_jonas> xfix: I don't know about the three digits, but people almost certainly have files containing floating point infinites and nans formatted in windows's nonstandard format, and if they suddenly put a sand sscanf in the libc, the programs won't be able to read those back. It's a lose-lose situation.
14:36:40 <b_jonas> xfix: The three digits exponent is less of a problem because at least sscanf is required to parse the float either way.
14:37:30 <b_jonas> xfix: although octave, which normally prints arrays of matrices in as an aligned text-only table, does print unaligned tables on windows because it assumes the printf will use only two digits for the exponent
14:38:03 <b_jonas> but the slightly misaligned tables isn't as bad as you could get
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15:24:47 <b_jonas> wow... the power of certain bosses
15:25:53 <b_jonas> they can send a mail that contains only generic words like "for your info" and a scanned pdf document, and you'll READ IT because they'll the boss and they really are so lazy they send mail masquarading as spam like that.
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19:50:05 <Taneb> I have... less than 18 hours to learn Galois Theory
19:50:37 <izabera> great time to watch the first 7 harry potter movies
19:50:55 <Taneb> I kind of want to not fail university
19:51:30 <izabera> i see, that's why you're studying it 18 hours before the test
19:52:18 <Taneb> I didn't think this through in the past 4 months, I'll admit
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22:24:12 <Taneb> b_jonas, I know the feelin
22:29:41 <fizzie> Taneb: Are you high on believin'?
22:32:09 <Taneb> fizzie, that I can learn Galois Theory overnight, yes
22:32:33 <shachaf> you just have, like, field extensions and groups and stuff
22:32:51 <shachaf> you can learn it in half an hour hth
22:33:06 <shachaf> fizzie: Any flour in your hair lately?
22:33:42 <fizzie> Taneb: Well, you know what they say. Watching fields scroll by for hours makes you a Galois expert overnight.
22:34:31 <fizzie> shachaf: Not since March 2015.
22:38:18 <shachaf> Taneb: consider that by the time galois was your age he had been dead for almost two years
22:38:45 <izabera> that's not the ending i expected after "by the time galois was your age"
22:38:47 <Taneb> shachaf, by the time I was my age, he'd been dead for like 220 years
22:38:58 <Taneb> izabera, he died in a duel age 20
22:39:06 <Taneb> Frankly, it's much closer to one year
22:39:37 <shachaf> Sure, but he was ~1 year and 5 months old.
22:39:38 <izabera> thinking with his dick instead of his brain got him killed
22:39:50 <shachaf> And you're ~21 years and 6 months old
22:40:14 <izabera> turns out brains are better than dicks at thinking
22:41:25 <Taneb> Wow, Galois died in a duel at age 17 months
22:41:30 <Taneb> He has really gifted
22:42:15 <shachaf> That's nothing. Grassmann died in a self-duel.
22:43:26 <coppro> Taneb: the Klein Four Group has an excellent song
22:45:37 <Phantom_Hoover> izabera, i mean when he let his brain do the thinking he ended up in politics and little better off
22:46:32 <fizzie> Which body part did all the maths?
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22:47:31 <izabera> there's not many mathematicians without lungs either
22:49:11 <izabera> i thought fishes had lungs as well
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22:50:10 <izabera> i thought they had gills instead of a nose
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22:50:50 <b_jonas> izabera: without lungs => http://www.xkcd.com/669/
22:51:02 <Taneb> izabera, I'd trust Phantom_Hoover on this one, he's the channel's best submarine jouster
22:51:06 <b_jonas> perhaps you want some undead or construct mathematicians
22:51:40 <izabera> let's just wait a couple decades for that
22:51:51 <fizzie> I keep giggling at "Narshmallow" (one of the post-it decorations at android.com/n -- the name-suggestion place).
22:53:34 <fizzie> That doesn't sound tasty at all.
22:54:00 <izabera> tastes like chewing tobacco?
22:55:06 <Taneb> Android Newcastle Brown Ale
22:57:41 <fizzie> Android Nettle -- it stings.
22:58:30 <boily> Android Nesquik with a screamingly delicious fternooner.
22:59:17 <HackEgo> fternooner (Danish »fternooner«, Norwegian «ttermiddag», Swedish ”ftermiddag”) is a screamingly delicious pastry.
22:59:17 <HackEgo> Fternoon is the time of day when the Danes usually eat their fternooners.
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23:04:59 <izabera> it would be funnier with a quicker bot
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23:11:55 <fizzie> fung... wait, where's fungot.
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23:12:36 <fizzie> fungot: If you kept the wisdom database, it'd be much faster, right?
23:12:37 <fungot> fizzie: it does replace stdout hello, world!". that's it. :) if your cs will be anything more than pass control to next.
23:12:59 <shachaf> fizzie: that would be more convincing if you didn't have to restart fungot just to get that reply hth
23:13:00 <fungot> shachaf: imho? yes. does it do
23:13:26 <shachaf> fungot: does it do be like it is?
23:13:27 <fungot> shachaf: the more interesting it seems. those fnord beetles for instance)
23:14:43 <oerjan> fungot: i'd stay away from fnord beetles
23:14:44 <fungot> oerjan: reactance is gimmicky and sucks!" " no, there's no, et cetera...) s-expression, or do they keep track of how the r6rs thing works? its just... madness!
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23:16:11 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
23:16:18 <shachaf> fungot: reactance is great
23:16:18 <fungot> shachaf: 1 tests, 1 assertions, 0 failures, 0 errors and putting the usual order ( var stuff...)) are equivalent programs.
23:19:22 <fizzie> fungot: You're not very well-tested.
23:19:22 <fungot> fizzie: it's very useful unless you're recovering from " fnord fnord!
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23:21:50 <fizzie> I don't think you ever really recover from fnord fnord.
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23:22:20 <fungot> shachaf: it is a fine language. i expect that you are able to neutralize it or shoot such quantities it to outer space.