00:06:47 <oerjan> the selection is a bit random. except for spanish, which is surprisingly useful.
00:07:56 <wob_jonas> shachaf: we don't have any of no, nb, nn
00:08:14 <oerjan> shachaf: i keep getting stuck on finding a good norwegian translation of "deployment" hth
00:08:22 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: velkommen: not found
00:09:06 <wob_jonas> feel free to add one. then add a danish one as well, and you'll have a problem of what `velkommen invokes, unless you manage to make a danish-norwegian polyglot
00:10:10 <HackEgo> Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information, se vår wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
00:10:58 <wob_jonas> oerjan: do there exist good English to Norwegian dictionaries? if so, you could look it up
00:13:05 <oerjan> wob_jonas: the problem isn't so much that there aren't words, it's that the english is a very general term that needs to be replaced by different norwegian words in different contexts.
00:13:20 <lynn> fi'i .i do ca .irci lo sornai ke cizra sambau nunpla ke'e stuzi .i za'u da datni di'u lo ka do catlu lo uitki noi se urli zo'oi http://esolangs.org/ .i ta'o lo drata me'oi esoteric zo'u ko .irci la'oi #esoteric la'oi EFnet ja la'oi DALnet
00:13:21 <oerjan> even when restricted to software.
00:15:14 <oerjan> i suspect the swedish may not be quite covering, either
00:15:35 <HackEgo> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
00:15:59 <wob_jonas> lynn: not an appropriate use of {fi'i}. just use {coi} there.
00:17:41 <Zarutian> `le/rn welcome.is/Halló og verið velkomin á hinn alþjóðlegann miðpunkt fyrir esoteríska forritunarmálshönnun og dreifingu. Meiri upplýsingar er hægt að nálgast á wikinu <http://esolangs.org/>. (Fyrir annarskonar esoterík prufið #esoteric á EFnet eða DALnet.)
00:17:43 <HackEgo> Learned 'welcome.is': Halló og verið velkomin á hinn alþjóðlegann miðpunkt fyrir esoteríska forritunarmálshönnun og dreifingu. Meiri upplýsingar er hægt að nálgast á wikinu <http://esolangs.org/>. (Fyrir annarskonar esoterík prufið #esoteric á EFnet eða DALnet.)
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00:20:05 <Zarutian> there isnt any direct translation for the English word "deploy" in Icelandic
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00:20:40 * oerjan is tempted to go with "utrulling". it feels sort of take-over-the-worldish
00:21:01 <oerjan> and is definitely a part of deployment.
00:23:26 <oerjan> `le/rn welcome.nb//Hei og velkommen til det internasjonale knutepunktet for esoterisk programmeringsspråkdesign og -utrulling! For mer informasjon, se wikien vår: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For den andre typen esoterisme, prøv #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
00:23:28 <HackEgo> Learned 'welcome.nb': /Hei og velkommen til det internasjonale knutepunktet for esoterisk programmeringsspråkdesign og -utrulling! For mer informasjon, se wikien vår: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For den andre typen esoterisme, prøv #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
00:23:46 <oerjan> (feature working as intended)
00:24:00 <oerjan> `slwd welcome.nb//s,/,,
00:24:02 <HackEgo> welcome.nb//Hei og velkommen til det internasjonale knutepunktet for esoterisk programmeringsspråkdesign og -utrulling! For mer informasjon, se wikien vår: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For den andre typen esoterisme, prøv #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
00:24:59 <Zarutian> oerjan: útrúllun, hmm that one can be workable in Icelandic.
00:26:05 <wob_jonas> Also, I think {di'u} is inapproperiate there, because the welcome message is supposed to say that information about esoteric programming is on the wiki
00:26:10 <Zarutian> oh? there is a diffrent two letter code for Norsk and for Norway?
00:27:08 <Zarutian> does it stand for Norsk Bokmål?
00:27:32 <wob_jonas> I'm not sure {za'u} is helpful in there either
00:27:46 <oerjan> although wikipedia etc. use no anyway.
00:28:07 <oerjan> (while nn is used for nynorsk)
00:28:46 <wob_jonas> and I don't like that construction with {zo'u} either, though it's not a definite error of course
00:29:57 <wob_jonas> Zarutian: no, there are three different ISO 639-1 codes for Norwegian: no, nb, nn. Of those, no is general, and nb and nn mean two variants.
00:30:16 <wob_jonas> None of those are for Norway, the country codes are in an entirely separate namespace.
00:30:40 <FireFly> (sweden also has a different country code from swedish's language code)
00:31:20 <Zarutian> that I know, it just happens that for Iceland and Icelandic it is IS in both (and there IS NO SUCH THING AS THE Islamic State BTW!)
00:32:19 <lynn> Eh, {fi'i} is fine. jbopre are so scared of {fi'i}
00:32:34 <FireFly> Norwegian is the only language I can think of that has several official written standards, to the point of them having separate ISO 639-1 codes
00:33:24 <wob_jonas> FireFly: what counts as "official", and does the two scripts for Serbian count as different standards?
00:33:36 <wob_jonas> Or the older and newer spellings for French?
00:34:00 <wob_jonas> At some point you have to count how big the army and navy are.
00:34:25 <FireFly> age seems orthogonal (unless there's more to 'older and newer' than that)
00:34:50 <FireFly> But yeah, I guess one has to make a bunch of arbitrary decisions
00:34:57 <Zarutian> FireFly: re your heh, I am very tempted to research what the poper term for aposte and idiot is in Arabic Farsi writing to make a brand to burn it into the foreheads of those beinhausa
00:35:17 <oerjan> classical and ecclasiastical latin should definitely have different codes >:)
00:35:45 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: velkommen: not found
00:36:34 <oerjan> because i don't have to do everything hth
00:36:45 <HackEgo> wisdom/welcome.bork \ wisdom/welcome.de \ wisdom/welcome.eo \ wisdom/welcome.es \ wisdom/welcome.fi \ wisdom/welcome.fr \ wisdom/welcome.is \ wisdom/welcome.ja \ wisdom/welcome.nb \ wisdom/welcome.nl \ wisdom/welcome.sv \ wisdom/welcome.tr
00:37:08 <HackEgo> head: cannot open `bin/v?lkommen' for reading: No such file or directory
00:37:15 <HackEgo> head: cannot open `bin/v*lkommen' for reading: No such file or directory
00:37:34 <HackEgo> Bonvenon al la internacia centro por la desegno kaj ellaso de esoteraj programlingvoj! Por pli da informado, vizitu la Viki-on: <http://esolangs.org/>. (Por la alia speco de esotero, iru al #esoteric sur EFnet aŭ DALnet.)
00:38:11 <oerjan> ...and the discussion went full cycle
00:38:17 <HackEgo> welcome.bork Velcume-a tu zee interneshunel hoob fur isutereec prugremmeeng lungooege-a deseegn und depluyment! Fur mure-a inffurmeshun, check oooot oooor veeki: http://isulungs.oorg/veeki/Meeen_Pege-a. (Fur zee oozeer keend ooff isutereeca, try #isutereec oon irc.del.net.)
00:38:28 <FireFly> oerjan: sorry, missed the beginning of it :p
00:39:57 <fizzie> FireFly: Scottish Gaelic and Irish both sometimes get called the same name (just "Gaelic") and have separate ISO 639-1 codes (gd, ga), if that counts. (It probably doesn't really.)
00:40:19 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: chef: not found
00:40:27 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bork: not found
00:40:40 <oerjan> i fear those commands were only in EgoBot
00:40:52 <wob_jonas> ``` x=bin/välkommen; >$x sed s/\.fr/\.sv/g bin/bienvenue && chmod -v +x "$x"
00:40:54 <HackEgo> mode of `bin/v\303\244lkommen' changed from 0644 (rw-r--r--) to 0755 (rwxr-xr-x)
00:41:02 <wob_jonas> ``` x=bin/velkommen; >$x sed s/\.fr/\.no/g bin/bienvenue && chmod -v +x "$x"
00:41:04 <HackEgo> mode of `bin/velkommen' changed from 0644 (rw-r--r--) to 0755 (rwxr-xr-x)
00:41:17 <HackEgo> Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information, se vår wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
00:41:26 <wob_jonas> ``` x=bin/velkommen; >$x sed s/\.fr/\.nb/g bin/bienvenue && chmod -v +x "$x"
00:41:29 <HackEgo> mode of `bin/velkommen' retained as 0755 (rwxr-xr-x)
00:41:33 <HackEgo> Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information, se vår wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
00:41:49 <HackEgo> Hei og velkommen til det internasjonale knutepunktet for esoterisk programmeringsspråkdesign og -utrulling! For mer informasjon, se wikien vår: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For den andre typen esoterisme, prøv #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.)
00:42:41 <oerjan> `slwd welcome.bork//s,http[^a]*a,<http://isulungs.oorg/>,
00:42:44 <HackEgo> welcome.bork//welcome.bork Velcume-a tu zee interneshunel hoob fur isutereec prugremmeeng lungooege-a deseegn und depluyment! Fur mure-a inffurmeshun, check oooot oooor veeki: <http://isulungs.oorg/>. (Fur zee oozeer keend ooff isutereeca, try #isutereec oon irc.del.net.)
00:43:10 <Zarutian> add one for Icelandic? ( would be `velkomin )
00:43:29 <wob_jonas> Zarutian: that would need someone who speaks icelandic
00:43:40 <oerjan> Zarutian: he means the command
00:43:55 <fizzie> `` LC_MESSAGES=sv_SE chmod -v +x bin/velkommen # I think you should've done something like this to get the corresponding verbose messages as well
00:43:56 <HackEgo> rättigheterna hos ”bin/velkommen” är oförändrat 0755 (rwxr-xr-x)
00:44:03 <Zarutian> wob_jonas: didnt ya see my addition earlier?
00:44:53 <wob_jonas> ah! sorry, apparently I missed it while criticizing lynn's translation
00:45:18 <HackEgo> Halló og verið velkomin á hinn alþjóðlegann miðpunkt fyrir esoteríska forritunarmálshönnun og dreifingu. Meiri upplýsingar er hægt að nálgast á wikinu <http://esolangs.org/>. (Fyrir annarskonar esoterík prufið #esoteric á EFnet eða DALnet.)
00:45:55 <wob_jonas> ``` x=bin/velkomin; >$x sed s/\.fr/\.is/g bin/bienvenue && chmod -v +x "$x"
00:45:57 <HackEgo> mode of `bin/velkomin' changed from 0644 (rw-r--r--) to 0755 (rwxr-xr-x)
00:46:03 <HackEgo> b_jonas: Halló og verið velkomin á hinn alþjóðlegann miðpunkt fyrir esoteríska forritunarmálshönnun og dreifingu. Meiri upplýsingar er hægt að nálgast á wikinu <http://esolangs.org/>. (Fyrir annarskonar esoterík prufið #esoteric á EFnet eða DALnet.)
00:47:52 <wob_jonas> We have turkish for some strange reason
00:47:57 <Zarutian> please note that text is written to address unspecific singular|plural party in no assumed gender way. Pretty much like all kind of sign or brochures are written.
00:48:19 <oerjan> wob_jonas: i'm pretty sure that one is google translated.
00:48:29 <oerjan> the url just isn't in a sane place.
00:48:54 <Zarutian> wob_jonas: I am not a portogoose so I do not know that language
00:52:02 <Zarutian> wob_jonas: Jepp, ég er Íslendingur
00:54:54 * FireFly has been pondering moving to Iceland at some point
00:55:49 <FireFly> I figure picking up icelandic by immersion shouldn't be too bad since I know swedish already, and it seems like a generally interesting place
00:56:11 <wob_jonas> FireFly: I think icelandic doesn't work that way
00:57:13 <Zarutian> FireFly: you are residing where now?
00:57:26 <FireFly> (Stockholm, to be more specific)
00:57:41 <Zarutian> so, no immigration problems then
00:57:55 <FireFly> wob_jonas: I dunno, I can essentially read the welcome without much issues
00:58:21 <wob_jonas> FireFly: I'm not sure that counts. it's about computers. it's easier to read than average topics.
00:58:25 <oerjan> `slwd welcome.bork//s,[^ ]* ,,;s,irc.*,IFnet oor DELnet.),
00:58:28 <HackEgo> welcome.bork//Velcume-a tu zee interneshunel hoob fur isutereec prugremmeeng lungooege-a deseegn und depluyment! Fur mure-a inffurmeshun, check oooot oooor veeki: <http://isulungs.oorg/>. (Fur zee oozeer keend ooff isutereeca, try #isutereec oon IFnet oor DELnet.)
00:58:50 <FireFly> That's true, but even if it's a bit more distant than say norwegian, I still think it should be fine
00:59:13 <oerjan> (apparently https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/jbc/bork/bork.cgi is compatible with what we had)
00:59:14 <Zarutian> FireFly: lets try this then: ef þér tekst að ráða í settningu vora þá má telja að íslensku skilningur yðar sé nokkuð góður og vel brúklegur til daglegs amsturs.
01:00:45 <shachaf> oerjan: Is there a program to welcome people using the appropriate wisdom?
01:01:01 <FireFly> Well, some of the words look like they have close cognates in swedish, but I'm not sure I could provide a general translation/reading of it in english
01:01:04 <wob_jonas> shachaf: how would it know which language to use?
01:01:15 <shachaf> With a command line argument.
01:01:48 <wob_jonas> shachaf: we don't have such a program. the esoteric way is to have to learn the individual command names
01:02:00 <shachaf> There are no command names, though.
01:02:17 <wob_jonas> there are command names for most of the welcomes
01:02:23 <wob_jonas> I just added them for swedish and norwegian
01:02:59 <shachaf> oerjan: are you sure you mean #isutereec oon IFnet oor DELnet
01:03:36 <Zarutian> FireFly: another one I saw in my mobile-phone contract: Viðskiptavinur mun eigi draga fjarskiptafyrirtækið til fjárhagslegrar ábyrgðar fyrir þjónustutapi sem er verður vegna tæknilegar eða annara óviðvarandi truflana á fjarskiptavirkjum fyrirtækisins.
01:03:53 <oerjan> shachaf: what else would i mean?
01:04:20 <HackEgo> ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.)
01:04:25 <HackEgo> Tervetuloa esoteeristen ohjelmointikielten suunnittelun ja käyttöönoton kansainväliseen keskukseen! Lisätietoa saat wikistämme: <http://esolangs.org/>. (Muu esoteerisuus: kokeile kanavaa #esoteric joko EFnet- tai Dalnet-verkossa.)
01:04:27 <oerjan> shachaf: it was already garbled before i fixed it hth
01:04:55 <HackEgo> 2999:2013-05-30 <cpressëy> learn welcome.bork Velcume-a tu zee interneshunel hoob fur isutereec prugremmeeng lungooege-a deseegn und depluyment! Fur mure-a inffurmeshun, check oooot oooor veeki: http://isulungs.oorg/veeki/Meeen_Pege-a. (Fur zee oozeer keend ooff isutereeca, try #isutereec oon irc.del.net.) \ 9742:2016-11-20 <oerjän> slwd welcom
01:05:01 <FireFly> Zarutian: hmm, well I suppose I would have to read up on some basic vocab and grammar/articles first
01:05:39 <FireFly> out of curiosity, can you read swedish/norwegian/danish at all?
01:05:52 <wob_jonas> ``` x=bin/welkom>$x sed s/\.fr/\.nl/g bin/bienvenue && chmod -v +x "$x"
01:05:52 <HackEgo> bash: $x: ambiguous redirect
01:05:54 <FireFly> or at least recognize some cognates?
01:05:59 <oerjan> shachaf: it is just the english version run through a swedish chef translator (e.g. https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/jbc/bork/bork.cgi which i found just above)
01:06:03 <wob_jonas> ``` x=bin/welkom; >$x sed s/\.fr/\.nl/g bin/bienvenue && chmod -v +x "$x"
01:06:06 <HackEgo> mode of `bin/welkom' changed from 0644 (rw-r--r--) to 0755 (rwxr-xr-x)
01:06:12 <HackEgo> Welkom bij het internationaal centrum voor het ontwerpen en implementeren van esoterische programmeertalen! Voor meer informatie, bezoek de wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (Voor de andere soort esoterie is er #esoteric op EFnet of DALnet.)
01:06:17 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wilkommen: not found
01:06:24 <shachaf> oerjan: well, none of the other languages translate th channel name hth
01:06:32 <HackEgo> Willkommen beim internationalen Zentrum für das Design und die Implementierung esoterischer Programmiersprachen! Für weitere Informationen besuchen Sie das Wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (Für andere Arten der Esoterik gibt es #esoteric auf EFnet oder DALnet.)
01:07:08 <shachaf> FireFly: You can read Icelandic about as well as I can read Dutch?
01:07:26 <fizzie> That "copy the whole complicated program and replace the hardcoded wisdom name" thing is so bad for maintainability.
01:07:59 <wob_jonas> fizzie: complicated program? it's so short
01:08:07 <shachaf> fizzie: maybe if we had more than an irc input line to type it into twh
01:08:09 <Zarutian> FireFly: jeg forstår Dansk og Norsk <somewhat> vel men jeg er ikke så godt med Svenska. Og min ordbagen in disse målen er ikke noget to tale på dem om <complex topics>
01:08:10 <HackEgo> cat: velkom: No such file or directory
01:08:15 <HackEgo> cat: bin/velkom: No such file or directory
01:08:22 <HackEgo> #!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome.nl"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome.nl"; }
01:08:26 <shachaf> fizzie: maybe if you could critique our HackEgo code
01:08:48 <Zarutian> FireFly: I have to basically sound out Swedish because it is written using the German orthography
01:09:23 <shachaf> fizzie: i'm sure we'd never get your LGTM
01:09:35 <HackEgo> `[hd]o[aw][gt] [<filename>] is a set of commands for querying HackEgo hg logs. `hoag is the basic version. d adds revision numbers and dates, w looks only in wisdom, and t lists oldest first.
01:09:58 <fizzie> `` cd wisdom; for w in welcome.*; do if grep -q "$w" ../bin/*; then true; else echo "$w missing; "; fi; done
01:10:01 <HackEgo> welcome.bork missing; \ welcome.eo missing; \ welcome.tr missing;
01:10:26 <shachaf> `` cd bin; ls {h,d}o{a,w}{g,t}
01:10:27 <fizzie> wob_jonas: Yeah, that's pretty complicated.
01:10:27 <HackEgo> doag \ doat \ dowg \ dowt \ hoag \ hoat \ howg \ howt
01:11:00 <shachaf> oerjan: Instead of using tac, *t should use the mercurial option to provide things in the right order.
01:11:11 <shachaf> Which we did accidentally back in the day when we were trying to figure out filtering.
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01:11:56 <HackEgo> revset='tip:0 & ! (9071 | 9070 | 5897 | 5895 | 9075 | 9074 | 4530 | 4531 | 770 | 771 | 196 | 195 | 194 | 3342 | 3343 | 2114 | 2113 | 121 | 122 | 5642 | 5643)' \ hg log -r "$revset" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<It][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
01:12:02 <fizzie> `` cd wisdom; for w in welcome.*; do (cd ../bin; grep -l "$w" *); done
01:12:05 <HackEgo> willkommen \ bienvenido \ tervetuloa \ bienvenue \ velkomin \ wercome \ velkommen \ welkom \ välkommen
01:12:09 <Zarutian> FireFly: well, I learned Danish in elementary school (and was never good at it, as I found it pointless for what I wanted to study)
01:12:13 <wob_jonas> we need to add hobg for looking only in bin, and maybe haag for full searching by full text of modified file instead of by filename, and hiag for searching by command, and huag for searching by nick
01:12:22 <HackEgo> hlnp --removed --template "{desc}\n" -- "$@"
01:12:44 <shachaf> `mkx bin/sort-by-lengths//awk '{print length"\t"$0}' | sort -n | cut -f2-
01:13:21 <Zarutian> FireFly: but one hillarious thing that I had to do was to read an booklet written in rather accessible german on certain electronics designs
01:13:52 <shachaf> `` hg log --removed --template '{files}\n' | awk '{print length}' | sort -rn
01:13:58 <HackEgo> 234887 \ 232596 \ 190881 \ 120909 \ 120909 \ 107647 \ 107647 \ 99032 \ 98739 \ 98175 \ 92705 \ 89950 \ 89950 \ 87653 \ 87644 \ 83422 \ 83359 \ 78432 \ 8875 \ 8875 \ 7270 \ 7216 \ 7216 \ 6742 \ 5881 \ 5369 \ 3560 \ 3560 \ 3548 \ 3408 \ 3267 \ 3047 \ 3007 \ 3007 \ 2928 \ 2928 \ 2491 \ 2276 \ 2254 \ 1950 \ 1226 \ 1226 \ 1213 \ 1207 \ 1207 \ 1076 \ 104
01:14:34 <shachaf> Looks like we might still be missing a few.
01:14:55 <fizzie> shachaf: You probably knew this, but Android's code review tool (Gerrit) has, in addition to (approximately) +1 for LGTM and +2 for LGTM + approve, the responses -1 and -2. The -1 is basically DNLGTM, while -2 actually blocks submit.
01:15:21 <Zarutian> FireFly: it was pretty straightforward and if one had an access to a German Icelandic dictionary
01:15:26 <shachaf> I didn't know that. I haven't used Gerrit, though I know people who use it.
01:15:40 <shachaf> I'm using Phabricator at work nowadays.
01:16:01 <fizzie> https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/Documentation/config-labels.html#label_Code-Review
01:16:03 <shachaf> fizzie: Is there approve-without-LGTM?
01:16:20 <Zarutian> say, what does LGTM stand for in this context?
01:16:43 <fizzie> You can do +2 directly, I think. +1 and +2 don't quite translate over to LGTM and approve.
01:17:04 <shachaf> `` hg log --removed --template '{files}\n' | sort-by-lengths | tac | tail -n+21
01:17:09 <HackEgo> luabuild/lua-5.2.1.tar.gz luabuild/lua-5.2.1/Makefile luabuild/lua-5.2.1/README luabuild/lua-5.2.1/doc/contents.html luabuild/lua-5.2.1/doc/logo.gif luabuild/lua-5.2.1/doc/lua.1 luabuild/lua-5.2.1/doc/lua.css luabuild/lua-5.2.1/doc/luac.1 luabuild/lua-5.2.1/doc/manual.css luabuild/lua-5.2.1/doc/manual.html luabuild/lua-5.2.1/doc/osi-certified-72x60
01:17:15 <fizzie> (In particular, you need a +2 to submit.)
01:17:22 <fizzie> Zarutian: "looks good to me".
01:17:29 <shachaf> Is there a concept of owners?
01:17:42 <shachaf> Looks like there is based on your link.
01:17:46 <oerjan> shachaf: it seems to me that refactoring ???t to do that would require the ability to modify the revset
01:18:07 <oerjan> do multiple -r options combine?
01:18:28 <oerjan> (and also, that it means adding that tip:0 to everything ???g)
01:18:31 <fizzie> shachaf: I haven't actually used Gerrit either. +2 is supposed to be used by people who would be considered owners, but I'm not sure if that's enforced by a mechanism.
01:19:00 <HackEgo> changeset: 9746:11eadb817829 \ tag: tip \ user: HackBot \ date: Sun Nov 20 01:12:36 2016 +0000 \ summary: <shachaf> mkx bin/sort-by-lengths//awk \'{print length"\\t"$0}\' | sort -n | cut -f2- \ \ changeset: 9745:cc187ca416d5 \ user: HackBot \ date: Sun Nov 20 01:05:55 2016 +0000 \ summary: <wob_jonas
01:19:09 <HackEgo> hlnp --removed --template "{rev}:{date|shortdate} {desc}\n" -- "$@"
01:19:26 <shachaf> `` hg log -r 'tip:0' -r '0:tip' --template "{rev}:{date|shortdate} {desc}\n"
01:19:28 <HackEgo> 9746:2016-11-20 <shachaf> mkx bin/sort-by-lengths//awk \'{print length"\\t"$0}\' | sort -n | cut -f2- \ 9745:2016-11-20 <wob_jonas> `` x=bin/welkom; >$x sed s/\\.fr/\\.nl/g bin/bienvenue && chmod -v +x "$x" \ 9744:2016-11-20 <oerjan> slwd welcome.bork//s,[^ ]* ,,;s,irc.*,IFnet oor DELnet.), \ 9743:2016-11-20 <wob_jonas> `` x=bin/velkomin; >$x sed s
01:19:42 <shachaf> `` hg log -r 'tip:0' -r '0:tip & ! 9746' --template "{rev}:{date|shortdate} {desc}\n"
01:19:44 <HackEgo> 9746:2016-11-20 <shachaf> mkx bin/sort-by-lengths//awk \'{print length"\\t"$0}\' | sort -n | cut -f2- \ 9745:2016-11-20 <wob_jonas> `` x=bin/welkom; >$x sed s/\\.fr/\\.nl/g bin/bienvenue && chmod -v +x "$x" \ 9744:2016-11-20 <oerjan> slwd welcome.bork//s,[^ ]* ,,;s,irc.*,IFnet oor DELnet.), \ 9743:2016-11-20 <wob_jonas> `` x=bin/velkomin; >$x sed s
01:19:50 <shachaf> `` hg log -r 'tip:0' --template "{rev}:{date|shortdate} {desc}\n"
01:19:53 <HackEgo> 9746:2016-11-20 <shachaf> mkx bin/sort-by-lengths//awk \'{print length"\\t"$0}\' | sort -n | cut -f2- \ 9745:2016-11-20 <wob_jonas> `` x=bin/welkom; >$x sed s/\\.fr/\\.nl/g bin/bienvenue && chmod -v +x "$x" \ 9744:2016-11-20 <oerjan> slwd welcome.bork//s,[^ ]* ,,;s,irc.*,IFnet oor DELnet.), \ 9743:2016-11-20 <wob_jonas> `` x=bin/velkomin; >$x sed s
01:19:55 <shachaf> Looks like subsequent options are ignored.
01:20:06 <shachaf> Sorry for the spam, I should've head -n1ed it.
01:20:44 <shachaf> fizzie: code review is too good
01:21:01 <fizzie> shachaf: Chromium's yet another tool (Rietvald) has OWNERS files and LGTM, but (IIRC) not approval as a separate concept; instead, you need a LGTM from an owner.
01:21:37 <fizzie> That was supposed to be Rietveld.
01:22:01 <shachaf> Chromium also has an odd build system. Or several.
01:22:10 <shachaf> fizzie: By the way, what do you think of gflags?
01:22:16 <fizzie> Yes, I can't keep track of their build system.
01:22:33 <fizzie> They had that GYP thing, and that GN thing, and that Ninja thing. All of that was somehow build-system-related.
01:23:05 <shachaf> Chromium also has public codesearch. If only anything else had codesearch.
01:24:42 <fizzie> It's a little watered down, though.
01:25:01 <fizzie> Amusingly, there's a "layers" dropdown menu, but it's disabled.
01:26:06 <fizzie> s/disabled/disabled for Java/.
01:26:14 <fizzie> Apparently it does get cross-references for C++ code.
01:31:03 <shachaf> fizzie: How should I store a log file containing a bunch of protobuf records?
01:31:40 <fizzie> shachaf: You asked me this before. I didn't really have an answer then, and I don't really have an answer now.
01:31:50 <shachaf> Oh, I didn't remember that I'd asked it before.
01:32:04 <fizzie> "Put it in a Capacitor file."
01:32:15 <shachaf> And I don't remember now, for that matter.
01:34:47 <fizzie> I think I told you I have one program that for no particular reason writes a log in protos, and that it just does poor man's RecordIO, which is to write a sequence of length-delimited protos.
01:36:13 <shachaf> But then you can't seek to the end easily.
01:36:30 <shachaf> Which I might have said before.
01:42:28 <fizzie> Assuming no concurrent concerns or anything, surely you can seek to the very end.
01:43:13 <shachaf> Well, you can't read backwards from the end.
01:43:28 <fizzie> Okay, use length-circumfixed protos. You'll probably be the first one to.
01:45:26 <fizzie> It doubles as a good way to validate things before you try to deserialize.
01:50:24 <Zarutian> https://anthony-zhang.me/blog/rod-logic/
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04:13:03 * oerjan is caught up on /r/haskell
04:13:33 <oerjan> for the first time in a year
04:14:20 <shachaf> I probably haven't read it in a year.
04:20:26 <oerjan> lessee, apparently backpack should make it into the next ghc? not that i've followed precisely what that is.
04:20:48 <shachaf> I went to ezyang's talk about it recently.
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05:09:23 <tswett> All right, time for Prismata again.
05:09:48 <tswett> I'm gonna try getting exclusively Shredders and Walls today.
05:10:01 <tswett> ...and by "today" I mean "during this game".
05:10:55 <shachaf> Why don't you play against humans instead?
05:11:12 <shachaf> All sorts of humans in here play Prismata.
05:12:06 <shachaf> Did you choose one random set to play with forever?
05:12:52 <shachaf> Do you know that your opponent can consistently destroy your shredders?
05:13:03 <shachaf> You can't defend no matter how many walls you build.
05:25:03 <tswett> Yeah, that's a good point.
06:04:29 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50304&oldid=38323 * Ais523 * (+259) explain how to categorize
06:05:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Categorization]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50305&oldid=50304 * Ais523 * (-5) fix link to the mediawiki docs
06:09:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Wat * New user account
06:11:13 <\oren\> https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/5dvq4i/kid_has_a_subscriber_special_over_one_subscriber/
06:16:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MediaWiki:Newarticletext]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50306 * Ais523 * (+977) let's make this more useful, to reduce the number of unlinked/uncategorized pages that just sort-of disappear after being created
06:17:29 <\oren\> we need a list of pages that aren't in any catagories
06:17:58 <ais523> \oren\: here: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:UncategorizedPages
06:18:05 <izalove> create a category for them
06:18:06 <ais523> wow that backlog has grown big
06:19:30 <ais523> many of them are for languages so bad that nobody wants to look at the page describing them for long enough to edit it :-(
06:23:06 <shachaf> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category_theory is not a language.
06:23:23 <shachaf> Also it seems like an unhelpful description. Should it exist at all?
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06:27:38 <shachaf> ais523: Is your CALESYTA submission public?
06:28:06 <ais523> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Incident
06:28:12 <ais523> I'm working on giving it a better article than the current stub right now
06:31:50 <hppavilion[1]> I have a great new analogy for climate change denial :D
06:32:08 <shachaf> I haven't used darcs in years.
06:36:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Categorization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50307&oldid=50305 * Ais523 * (+117) /* Miscellaneous */ add one we missed; this is well-established, just isn't on the list for some reason
06:42:34 <zzo38> What analogy is that?
06:48:55 <hppavilion[1]> Many years ago, back before we had internet and television and radio and automobiles, there was a spanish explorer
06:49:40 <hppavilion[1]> His name long forgotten, so we will call him Domingo Montoya
06:51:27 <hppavilion[1]> Domingo Montoya traveled far and wide in his life, visiting many far lands, from the foreign shores of India and South America to the frozen lands of Russia and Norway to the land of ancient immortals, Florida
06:52:27 <hppavilion[1]> In his many travels, he once found himself in a strange little valley. In this valley was a village where the houses had no windows, the signs had no words, and the paths were all bordered by high curbs
06:53:30 <hppavilion[1]> When Domingo Montoya talked to the residents of this village, he found a perplexing common feature- everyone in the village, elders and children, men and women, rich and poor- was blind.
06:54:54 <hppavilion[1]> This did not seem to trouble them- they seem to live their entire lives just fine without sight. This was strange enough, but it got stranger- when Domingo asked them why they were all without sight and how this happened, they seemed confused; no matter how he tried talking, they could not understand what he meant by sight
06:55:12 <hppavilion[1]> It seemed that they had not been able to see for many years, and had forgotten it altogether.
06:56:18 <hppavilion[1]> Domingo stayed in this village for several months, and eventually fell in love with the daughter of a local smith. He still frequently tried to explain sight, to describe things he saw, and to identify why nobody could see, but he never did.
06:57:17 <hppavilion[1]> Eventually, he asked to marry the girl; however, the village elders said "no", due to his "unhealthy obsession" with sight. The doctor in the village recommended his eyes be removed, as he believed them to be diseased and harming his brain. He reluctantly agreed.
06:58:12 <hppavilion[1]> However, he fled the valley in the night with the woman he fell in love with. As he left the valley, he noticed to his dismay a massive, unstable sheet of rocks starting to come apart. Seeing the danger, he rushed back into the valley and tried to warn them of the impending disaster
06:59:17 <myname> what were the signs for?
06:59:42 <hppavilion[1]> myname: ...not sure? I think they actually had stuff on them, but they were in something like braille.
06:59:54 <hppavilion[1]> They all dismissed his dire warnings, hearing only the tales of a madman or a knave, driven by delusions of sight. No matter what he tried, he could not convince them of the danger.
06:59:58 <zzo38> Either that or maybe just the existence of the sign helped
07:00:08 <ais523> sometimes I read the braille on signs; it's interesting how it occasionally differs from the printed words
07:00:35 <ais523> I must be one of the few people who learned to read Braille by sight but can't do it by touch (that said, I sort-of can't do it by sight either nowadays, my skills are a bit rusty)
07:00:55 <shachaf> Why did you learn to read Braille by sight?
07:00:57 <zzo38> ais523: I have noticed that too once, although I don't know braille and don't know what it says, I can easily see that it is different from the printed words
07:01:05 <hppavilion[1]> Eventually, the rockslide came tumbling down the mountain and buried the entire village, him, the woman, and everyone else. The citizens refused to believe he knew until only a few in the last moments.
07:01:08 <ais523> shachaf: originally for a puzzle
07:01:59 <myname> that could've been a lot shorter
07:02:09 <myname> also, don't fables need animals?
07:03:21 <zzo38> OK, then call it a parable
07:04:39 <myname> the idea is to hve animals with humanulike behaviour
07:04:59 <myname> humans with human-like behaviour aren't that big of a deal
07:05:15 <hppavilion[1]> myname: Technically, it doesn't have to be animals. It could also be plants or forces of nature or whatever
07:05:24 <hppavilion[1]> myname: For example, that one with the sun and the north wind
07:06:08 <zzo38> All that would mean though is that "fable" would be the wrong word for what you wrote, I think, isn't it?
07:07:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Incident]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50308&oldid=50251 * Ais523 * (+6672) unstub via giving a description of the language
07:08:08 <ais523> btw, if we get more CALESYTA languages, it might be worth creating a category, although a list is probably better
07:09:39 <ais523> there's already a page about it
07:09:53 <ais523> (I linked to it thinking it'd be a redlink, but it isn't)
07:10:59 <zzo38> There are some advantages and disadvantages to each. Depending on MediaWiki extensions you may even be able to make it to have the advantages of both at once
07:11:19 <shachaf> Is there a way to get the disadvantages of both at once?
07:12:39 <zzo38> shachaf: Yes; you can simply do both.
07:12:57 <shachaf> Well, that gives you the advantages of both as well.
07:13:43 <ais523> you could do it as a list but on the Main Page rather than on a page of its own
07:13:51 <ais523> that would have the disadvantages of both, and a few others too
07:14:00 <myname> ais523: will you put an explanation to cat in the page some time?
07:14:14 <ais523> there's one in the repo
07:14:32 <ais523> I didn't have time to make good ascii art for the other programs :-(
07:14:36 <zzo38> shachaf: Yes, but not very well
07:14:53 <myname> meh, not sure if i want to install darcs for that
07:14:55 <shachaf> But no one reads the Main Page.
07:15:06 <shachaf> The featured language hasn't been changed in years.
07:15:17 <shachaf> Actually, I guess a lot of people read the main page.
07:15:32 <shachaf> Which is why the featured language gets so many derivatives.
07:15:36 <ais523> we left it on brainfuck because nobody can be bothered to change it and it's one of the most featurable languages
07:15:46 <zzo38> I have Special:RecentChanges bookmarked, so I might read it if it is recently changed.
07:15:54 <ais523> featuring a language is annoyingly fiddly
07:15:56 <zzo38> You could just remove the featured language section if you don't like it, though.
07:16:01 <myname> "A token cannot be a substring of a shorter token"
07:16:01 <ais523> you need to write a summary and change a ton of pages
07:16:13 <ais523> do you want to fix it or shall I?
07:16:18 <ais523> (I mean, it's a true statement, but…)
07:17:07 <zzo38> Is there the document of the protocol of darcs? Maybe then it can be accessed even if you did not install darcs
07:17:12 <myname> shachaf: i'd still love befunge as a featured language
07:17:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Incident]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50309&oldid=50308 * Ais523 * (-1) /* Syntax */ fix thinko
07:17:35 <ais523> let me see if it's featurable
07:17:51 <ais523> and cpressey deserves to be featured more often
07:18:36 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: Would the wiki prefer "Argentine" or "Argentinian" as the demonym for Argentina?
07:19:15 <ais523> "CALESYTA 2016 is the first Argentinian contest of esoteric programming language design." ← you should probably use the demonym they use for themself
07:23:27 <myname> ais523: is it centermost in regards of valid tokens or bytes?
07:26:09 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MediaWiki:Newarticletext]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50310&oldid=50306 * Ais523 * (+188) clarify how this works on talk pages
07:29:29 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[CALESYTA 2016]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50311&oldid=50002 * Hppavilion1 * (+521) Improved page content with translations, categories, and formatted to potentially include other years (moving momentarily)
07:30:02 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: [[:Category:2016|2016]]
07:30:07 <ais523> it's a fairly hard syntax to get right first time
07:30:09 <ais523> maybe we should template it
07:30:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[CALESYTA 2016]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50312&oldid=50311 * Hppavilion1 * (+0) f0x7u0xC
07:31:21 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: Would it be better moved to [[CALESYTA]] or [[CALESYTA (Competition)]]?
07:31:47 <hppavilion[1]> The former is more standard because there's no language with a similar name, so no disambiguation arises, but the latter is more clear as to what it is
07:33:03 <ais523> I think for the time being we should have a page per year, so CALESYTA 2016
07:33:15 <ais523> if there are more than two competitions we can create an overall page about all of them
07:33:23 <ais523> but we don't have an established pattern to talk about yet
07:33:24 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: ...oh. I already arranged it for other years.
07:33:58 <ais523> it's a wiki so it's easy enough to change things around
07:34:03 <hppavilion[1]> I think gathering it for all years from the beginning is probably best, especially so that ones that only run one year don't have people then try to find the other years
07:34:03 <ais523> people will want to link to the year though
07:34:10 <ais523> so make sure there's at least a section redirect
07:35:02 <hppavilion[1]> I think I'll do (Competition) then, just for the nice indicator
07:35:26 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/move]] move * Hppavilion1 * moved [[CALESYTA 2016]] to [[CALESYTA (Competition)]]: Future years. Section redirect on the old in a moment.
07:36:09 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: give it a name that's reasonably possible to link to
07:36:40 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: Does () present a problem? Wikipedia uses it all the time so I figured it wasn't
07:36:49 <ais523> in general, pages shouldn't require piping when linked to in an article
07:36:52 <ais523> or people will link to the wrong page all the time by mistake
07:37:03 <ais523> that happens on Wikipedia a ton when we have pages with parens in the name, it's just mostly unavoidable
07:37:13 <ais523> there's an army of bots+humans who just go around fixing that sort of mislink
07:37:17 <shachaf> If it was Wikipedia it would have a lowercase C.
07:37:29 <shachaf> Not that that matters since it's about to be changed.
07:37:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/move]] move * Hppavilion1 * moved [[CALESYTA (Competition)]] to [[CALESYTA]]: Parentheses are apparently the devil. Huh.
07:38:34 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[CALESYTA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50317&oldid=50315 * Hppavilion1 * (+6) /* Years */ Dropped word
07:38:40 <myname> ais523: i still have no idea about the tokens in cat :D ^^ should be one
07:39:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[CALESYTA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50318&oldid=50317 * Hppavilion1 * (-18) In the name of matting, I edit thee!
07:39:28 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: now you have to fix the double redirect caused by moving a page twice :-D
07:39:42 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: I told it not to add a redirect, so I'm fixing it
07:39:56 <myname> ais523: also, can token span multiple lines/contain whitespace? is this why you put the word "cat" there?
07:40:22 <ais523> wait, you can tell it not to add a redirect? I thought that was an admin-only power
07:40:47 <myname> so newlines are striped?
07:41:00 <ais523> myname: no, they're not stripped
07:41:01 <hppavilion[1]> Just giving it the section name is apparently insufficient
07:41:06 <ais523> but they can legally be part of a token
07:41:14 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: #REDIRECT [[Article#Section]]
07:41:32 <ais523> sometimes the section name needs escaping; click on the link to it in the table of contents and look in the URL for a correctly escaped version
07:41:46 <myname> ais523: but there are not enough )\n to be concerned abput, just ") "
07:42:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[CALESYTA 2016]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50319&oldid=50314 * Hppavilion1 * (-6) Fixxy??
07:42:48 <ais523> myname: the offending token is newline followed by seven spaces
07:42:57 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: OK, everything seems to be in order. http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=CALESYTA_(Competition)&redirect=no can be deleted
07:43:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[CALESYTA (Competition)]]": stray redirect left behind after a sequence of pagemoves
07:44:49 <hppavilion[1]> 2016 CÆ = 2016 Anno Communis Ætate = 2016 in the Year of our Common Era
07:45:02 <myname> ais523: how many tokens does cat have
07:45:11 <ais523> forming accidental tokens like that happesn all the time when programming, I find
07:45:42 <ais523> I counted 21, so presumably 7 different ones
07:45:51 <hppavilion[1]> Note that http://esolangs.org/wiki/CALESYTA is currently in the category Competitions and Events, which doesn't exist :P
07:46:17 <ais523> you probably shouldn't be creating new categories like that
07:46:31 <ais523> years and years ago, the old owner of the site banned someone without warning for creating a category
07:46:51 <ais523> ever since, we've assumed "no creating categories without permission" is some sort of fundamental rule of the site
07:47:00 <ais523> originally created to avoid provoking the wrath of the admin in question
07:47:21 <ais523> nowadays we're a lot more relaxed about it but the rule still seems fundamentally useful so we left it in place
07:47:43 <myname> 7 tokens ... that's a hard one
07:47:47 <ais523> (especially as new users with grand plans often create incredibly narrow categories for their own stuff which are unlikely ever to be populated)
07:47:52 <ais523> myname: a token can be just a single octet long
07:49:10 <ais523> hmm, maybe I should add an option for IRC output to my syntax highligher
07:49:11 <myname> ais523: i guessed this much
07:49:16 <ais523> then we could install it into the bot
07:50:09 <HackEgo> 42 is The Answer. Heed it.
07:50:13 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 😺: not found
07:50:16 <myname> the legs are really confusing
07:51:01 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: I'd really like to see a programming language with rather serious grammar (so legit parser, none of the run-of-the-mill scanning bullshit we use in most esolangs :P)
07:51:14 <hppavilion[1]> With some of the crazy features some natural languages have
07:51:23 <hppavilion[1]> Like e.g. a programming language with grammatical gender.
07:54:12 <shachaf> Sometimes you remind me of Java Auto Update.
07:57:09 <myname> some number of underscores might be a token, too
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08:07:21 <myname> and i guess newline with n spaces vs n+k spaces are one, too
08:09:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang talk:Featured languages]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50320 * Ais523 * (+780) I'd be more inclined to feature a language if it wasn't so fiddly; can anyone help me remember how to do it?
08:12:16 <hppavilion[1]> I want to be able to talk about what I'm currently going to call weak semantics vs. strong semantics
08:13:17 <hppavilion[1]> Which are essentially the difference between the meaning of a sentence on its own- how it describes anonymous objects interacting- and the meaning in a context, where the objects aren't interchangable
08:13:59 <hppavilion[1]> There are two ways to parse "James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher."
08:14:13 <hppavilion[1]> James, while John had had "had", had had "had had"; "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher. AND
08:14:13 <hppavilion[1]> James, while John had had "had had", had had "had"; "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher.
08:14:18 <ais523> that's an improper word avalanche, it's missing quotes
08:14:43 <ais523> also, if you haven't seen it yet, https://www.reddit.com/r/WordAvalanches/comments/3ogese/a_swindler_passes_by_a_bird_in_the_stairwell_of/
08:14:46 <izalove> the two ways to parse it are the stupid way and the i won't even try way
08:15:14 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: I mean, use-mention distinction
08:15:23 <ais523> '"had"' and 'had' are not the same thing
08:15:32 <ais523> the quotes need to be in the original for the sentence to work
08:16:28 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: I mean that there are two ways to add punctuation to make it meaningful (that we're considering; there are probably others). "parse" was a bad word.
08:16:59 <ais523> you can assume the original sentence was spoken, in which case it's ambiguous how to write it
08:17:07 <ais523> but writing it without the quotes is just wrong
08:18:58 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: But my point is that the two sentences with punctuation express similar ideas; if you don't know who "james" and "john" are, they mean exactly the same thing with different phrasing afaict (as long as you only consider one)- person A wrote "had had", person b wrote "had", the teacher preferred person A's writing. The difference is that in the first, james is person A and john is person B, whereas in the latter the roles are
08:19:35 <myname> ais523: may tokens in general not overlap or do they just need 3 non-overlapping occurences?
08:19:54 <ais523> myname: they can't overlap in general; any overlap between provisonal tokens disqualifies them both
08:20:18 <myname> in this case, i am missing one
08:20:24 <ais523> (if there was a fourth occurrence, allowing for a third non-overlapping occurrence, they wouldn't have been nominated as tokens in the first place…)
08:20:32 <ais523> do you want me to list them?
08:21:36 <myname> /, \, ", ), ^^, solme number of underscores, that newline-space-thingie
08:21:57 <ais523> at least two are wrong though
08:22:13 <ais523> the other two both start with four spaces, that should be enough to figure it out
08:24:27 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, "ultimate" can mean "the last in a series" or "the greatest/most extreme example"
08:24:39 <hppavilion[1]> But "penultimate" I've only ever seen meaning "second to last"
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08:25:16 <myname> and i guess spaces with | if the legs are close enough to each other
08:25:20 <shachaf> "ultimate" in the second sense is just a special case of the first sense.
08:25:41 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: using "penultimate" in the second sense would normally be seen as a joke
08:25:55 <ais523> because it's nearly always used as a self-description, and who self-describes as the second best?
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08:26:29 <ais523> myname: there's only three spaces between the legs; the third occurrence is right at the start of the program
08:26:35 <myname> somebody such a slightly humble
08:26:58 <hppavilion[1]> myname: I'm not the most humble person, but I'm close
08:29:43 <ais523> my syntax highlighter makes spaces visible
08:30:01 <ais523> so the token in question is listed as "␠␠␠␠|"
08:34:01 <myname> so cat is equivalent to 1233442563257566141?
08:35:09 <ais523> my working notes for that program say "a <> >bb<c X <> cd cXX ab a dd"
08:35:30 <ais523> although that has slightly more meaningful token names, plus whitespace
08:39:18 <myname> you forgot 0 *trollface*
08:39:29 <hppavilion[1]> 1 22 333 44 44 55555 66 666 7777777 88 88 88 999 999
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08:40:34 <ais523> so that's a different sequence then
08:40:44 <ais523> (it's also missing two 8s and three 9s if it's meant to match the previous one)
08:40:55 <myname> hppavilion[1]: i got it
08:41:10 <ais523> @oeis 1 2 3 4 5 5 7 6 6
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08:41:27 <lambdabot> Plugin `oeis' failed with: <<timeout>>
08:41:35 <ais523> @oeis 1 2 3 4 5 5 7 6 6
08:41:35 <lambdabot> https://oeis.org/A134889 a(n)=the largest sum of two nontrivial divisors of ...
08:41:35 <lambdabot> [1,2,3,4,5,5,7,6,6,7,11,8,13,9,8,10,17,11,19,12,10,13,23,14,10,15,12,16,29,1...
08:41:53 <ais523> ooh, that's a different sequence from the one hppavilion[1] intended
08:42:27 <ais523> @oeis 1 2 3 4 5 5 7 6 6 7 11 7
08:42:37 <lambdabot> https://oeis.org/A134875 a(n)=the smallest sum of two nontrivial divisors of...
08:42:37 <lambdabot> [1,2,3,4,5,5,7,6,6,7,11,7,13,9,8,8,17,9,19,9,10,13,23,10,10,15,12,11,29,11,3...
08:43:23 <ais523> @oeis 1 2 3 4 5 5 7 6 6 7 11 7 13 9 8 8 17 8
08:43:42 <myname> what are you looking for
08:43:48 <ais523> is that sequence seriously not in OEIS? or have I made a mistake?
08:44:01 <ais523> myname: sum of the prime factorisation of each consecutive integer
08:44:27 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: 11_11_11_11_11_11_11_11_11_11_11 12_12 12_12 12_12_12 13_13_13_13_13_13_13_13_13_13_13_13_13 14_14 14_14_14_14_14_14_14 15_15_15 15_15_15_15_15 16_16 16_16 16_16 16_16
08:44:48 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: the repeat counts are probably more interesting
08:44:57 <hppavilion[1]> (The _s are for chaining multi-digits, the same way 888 is just 8 8 8)
08:45:40 <hppavilion[1]> As in, prime factor n and take the sum of those numbers?
08:46:14 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: Then isn't the first one '0' because empty sum and all that
08:46:20 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: line 4: 8: command not found
08:46:20 <myname> @oeis 2 3 4 5 5 7 6 6 7 11 7 13 9 8 8 17 8
08:46:25 <lambdabot> https://oeis.org/A001414 Integer log of n: sum of primes dividing n (with re...
08:46:25 <lambdabot> [0,2,3,4,5,5,7,6,6,7,11,7,13,9,8,8,17,8,19,9,10,13,23,9,10,15,9,11,29,10,31,...
08:47:27 <myname> hppavilion[1]: wouldn't it be odd?
08:50:40 <myname> take a look at how map is defined
08:50:43 <lambdabot> arising from a use of ‘show_M27427630920717644306780’
08:50:59 <lambdabot> • Could not deduce (Num (t0 [t1]))
08:50:59 <lambdabot> from the context: (Foldable t, Num [t1], Num (t [t1]))
08:51:07 <lambdabot> Foldable t => (a -> b -> b) -> b -> t a -> b
08:51:30 <myname> wait, Foldable is a thing?
09:03:21 <shachaf> > ala Product foldMap [1,2,3]
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09:53:57 <int-e> > getProduct . fold . map Product $ [1,2,3]
09:54:02 <lambdabot> (Rewrapped t s, Rewrapped s t, Functor f) => (Unwrapped s -> s) -> ((Unwrapped t -> t) -> f s) -> f (Unwrapped s)
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13:32:59 <HackEgo> tarator//Tarator is a Bulgarian soup, traditionally served cold for hot summer days.
13:34:14 <boily> “In the Balkans, it is a cold soup (or a liquid salad), popular in the summer.”
13:34:24 <boily> liquid salad doesn't sound very appetizing...
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13:39:09 <boily> fungot: do you think there's a continuum between salads and soups? where do you categorize chili?
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14:45:05 <fizzie> fungot: Are you just being cross?
14:45:05 <fungot> fizzie: and in the hours fnord dawn, when all the family were downstairs, and they all said the footprints and buzzing voice were like those which randolph carter's fnord boots made when he was thirty four and for months he was fnord shunned. though he did not believe anything would be done. after i stop writing i shall rest a long while before detection, for hart found an enormous hold dug at a considerable distance from it.
14:47:07 <boily> fungot: fnord boots?
14:47:07 <fungot> boily: overcoming the dread induced by the brisk ascent of so steep a
14:48:15 <fungot> fizzie: when the waves resumed their awesome pulsing, carter knew that the likeness was said to lie, and the utter extirpation with all its inmates of the ill-regarded castle ferenczy, whose master was so badly spoken of by peasants and fnord alike that he would have to make a few investigations around the spot where the paper had told about some strange burrows or passages found in the woods on the high terrace above it. all g
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14:57:10 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50322&oldid=46701 * Rdococ * (+256) esomisc
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15:00:00 <boily> fungot steeps pulsing waves, peasants and fnords alike. he overlooks the infustion from a high terrace, in Castle Ferenczy.
15:00:00 <fungot> boily: dæmoniac on the public mind; a hold intensified by the obscurity of the cause of death, fnord and effulgent, i beheld constellations which were nearly beyond recognition. known outlines were sometimes approximated, but seldom duplicated; and from the decayed condition of his teeth, the head surgeon wrote him down as a man of horror in prague and in eastern fnord and after leaving fnord we crossed it. ahead loomed green a
15:00:18 <boily> fungot: are you Hungarian?
15:00:18 <fungot> boily: what i saw. i have seen cannot be true, and i raged almost as violently as did erich zann. so when i had seen him once or twice i saw fnord people working in barren gardens or digging fnord on the
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15:14:49 <HackEgo> block device//Block devices are a concession made in Unix to make raw hard disks and magnetic tape have a similar interface to regular files and terminals. Since magnetic tapes can't write individual bytes, only entire blocks, the interface isn't exactly the same, thus the dreaded dd obs= option was born.
15:16:01 <boily> I believe the whole of dd should be dreadful. the special syntax is a nice hoop that makes you stop and think before annihilating information into oblivion.
15:16:33 <boily> syntactic salt, I think it's called?
15:18:32 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Aw-qjG2zEI&feature=youtu.be&t=2m21s
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15:44:45 <fizzie> Huh, there's a huge bump in the esolangs.org wiki qps last night between 1:10am to 1:20am local time.
15:45:31 <fizzie> Unfortunately it seems that when I set up a very terse and machine-readable log file for graphing purposes, it disabled the regular access_log, so I don't know what that was all about.
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18:11:00 <izalove> a major italian forum for torrents is now closed from 11 to 24 because they can't manage the load
18:17:23 <fizzie> The Finnish national railway company (VR) closes their Internet ticket sales system from 01:30am to 4:00am.
18:17:31 <fizzie> I've always found that a little weird.
18:17:41 <fizzie> It used to be a much longer span of time.
18:17:52 <fizzie> Still, the Internet's not supposed to be closed at night.
18:19:20 <nortti> lähitapiola has open hours on their online insurance service, but only for certain parts
18:19:39 <nortti> e.g. you can see what insurances you have, but not their details
18:21:18 <fizzie> That's kind of true for VR as well; you can look up routes and get ticket prices, you just can't buy any. So it's kind of a read-only mode.
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18:24:13 <Taneb> Maybe they do back-ups but slowly
18:24:29 <Taneb> And they don't want anything to change underneath the back-up script
18:25:21 <zzo38> It can make some sense if they want it to be read-only during backups, but when why you can't see the details then? Does it have to do with system load?
18:25:43 <izalove> 2.5 hours a day for backups?
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18:51:31 <Zarutian> backups and maintenance I think. (It is easier to host a frozen read-only web site than anything dynamically generated)
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21:27:00 <FreeFull> izalove: Is it related to the what.cd shutdown?
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21:59:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50326&oldid=50299 * Wat * (+101)
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22:00:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Beerlang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50328 * Wat * (+2048) Created page with "This is a very short and simple, string oriented code golf language. It is good for challenges similar to "99 Bottles of Beer" (hence its name). ==Syntax== // Line 1: Ruby..."
22:02:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Beerlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50329&oldid=50328 * Wat * (+3)
22:03:17 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/move]] move * Wat * moved [[Beerlang]] to [[BeerLang]]
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22:34:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Joke language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50333&oldid=50332 * Ender scythe * (+0) Fixed alphabetical order.
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22:44:41 <zzo38> Please tell me if this documentation is OK http://sprunge.us/aecG
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23:15:00 <lambdabot> CYUL 202300Z 25010KT 1 3/4SM -SN BKN005 OVC012 00/M00 A2922 RMK SF6ST2 SLP897
23:15:15 <boily> SN! POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE COW WEATHER! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
23:30:22 <lambdabot> PAMR 202253Z 10SM BKN060 M06/M12 A2951 RMK SLP997 T10611117 $ VIA AUTODIAL
23:33:31 <zzo38> What does "VIA AUTODIAL" mean?
23:33:58 <boily> hppavellon[1]. it is.
23:34:32 <boily> hezzo38. "$" means that the station needs maintenance. I don't know about "VIA AUTODIAL", but maybe it's the way it needs to be connected at?
23:38:02 <lambdabot> ENVA 202320Z 07005KT 020V140 CAVOK 04/M03 Q1000 RMK WIND 670FT 16007KT
23:39:54 <HackEgo> lambdabot: @@ @@ (@where weather) CYUL ENVA ESSB KOAK PAMR
23:39:57 <lambdabot> CYUL 202332Z 24011KT 2SM -SN BKN005 OVC010 00/M00 A2922 RMK SF7ST1 SLP896 \ ENVA 202320Z 07005KT 020V140 CAVOK 04/M03 Q1000 RMK WIND 670FT 16007KT \ ESSB 202320Z AUTO 11014KT 9999 -RA SCT008///
23:39:57 <lambdabot> BKN010/// BKN012/// 05/04 Q1003 \ KOAK 202253Z 30005KT 7SM -RA FEW007 BKN050 OVC060 16/14 A2992 RMK AO2 SLP131 P0001 T01560144 \ PAMR 202253Z 10SM BKN060 M06/M12 A2951 RMK SLP997 T10611117 $ VIA
23:46:27 <boily> tshh? «ta sœur hâle un hauban»?
23:48:34 <boily> fungot: stop inhabiting hppavilion[1].
23:48:34 <fungot> boily: as a mining engineer of considerable prominence. enclosed were some very curious fnord of various sizes. with cyclopean rage it tore through the soil above that damnable pit... merciful gods of earth.