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01:10:45 <HackEgo> relrod//A relrod is a machine useful for finding the Force.
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01:11:16 <HackEgo> welcome.es//¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.)
01:11:22 <HackEgo> anagram//Interestingly, "Robert Galbraith" is *not* an anagram of "J. K. Rowling".
01:12:37 <HackEgo> 6825:2016-02-12 <int-̈e> le/rn anagram/Interestingly, "Robert Galbraith" is *not* an anagram of "J. K. Rowling".
01:13:03 <boily> hppavilion[1]: /æ̃̋/
01:18:09 <HackEgo> recursion//You might expect a reference to recursion here, but to make it interesting you'll actuallSTACK OVERFLOW
01:26:47 <FreeFull> Damn, I have no good way of typing a lambda
01:28:33 <shachaf> ctrl-shift-u 3 b b <space>
01:28:45 <FreeFull> That is a way that's not so good
01:28:50 <shachaf> It scales to the whole alphabet.
01:28:52 <FreeFull> I'm not gonna remember some stupid magic numbers =P
01:29:22 <shachaf> U+3BB is a lamda, anyway, not a lambda.
01:29:33 <boily> FreeFull: remember A66E.
01:29:44 <HackEgo> 1134) <shachaf> A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric."
01:32:28 <boily> multiocular fungot.
01:32:29 <fungot> boily: at some time. looking about, i saw that the queerly arabesqued silver key would help him get a crucifix, and finally they came to use less and less as the last perfectly sane utterance of the hapless rats that stumbled into such traps amidst the blackness of rank mould. they emerged on a muddy road to rowley. before evening he had passed on the way home she stops at a chateau filled with fresh
01:35:21 <FreeFull> shachaf: What I really should do is bind a key to dead_greek again
01:35:35 <FreeFull> There's a button on the top left of my laptop that I don't use for anything anyway
01:38:06 <FreeFull> This is weird, I have a manpage that was written by Apple on my system
01:39:22 <boily> not so weird, it's part of cups.
01:39:33 <boily> hellochaf. WW → Quadruple U?
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02:19:50 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Incident]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50337&oldid=50336 * Oerjan * (+34) Section
02:24:38 <oerjan> <boily> fungot: stop inhabiting hppavilion[1]. <-- i'm not sure the lovecraft mode is the best at respecting this hth
02:24:38 <fungot> oerjan: after a brief explanation that ancient fnord was kind enough to pilot me into the closed building, since the whole matter alone. i might as well tell you that this is a highly important fact in view of his vitally impaired range of data, the escaped patient manages to cope with, and had gone with
02:25:21 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft* nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
02:26:57 <Ox0dea> I wrote a Whitespace interpreter in LOLCODE...
02:27:53 <Ox0dea> Adding Whitespace to the EsoInterpreters table would stretch the page, though. :<
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02:35:54 <\oren\> Presiden Trump is considering a guy for secretary of defence whose nickname is "Mad Dog"... great.
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02:38:19 <boily> oerjan: as long as it doesn't distort its host too much...
02:38:45 <oerjan> Ox0dea: i had a plan for that. lessee...
02:40:47 <hppavilion[1]> Houu terrible uuould it be to actually make "double-u's" in the form of tuuo u's?
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02:48:35 <fizzie> hppavilion[1]: I suppose speakers of Finnish and every other language where it's "double-v" vvould just use vv then?
02:48:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Norfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50338&oldid=46406 * Ender scythe * (+107) Added a live link.
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02:53:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Jack Eisenmann]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50339 * Ender scythe * (+234) Created.
02:54:00 <Ox0dea> oerjan: It'd be indecent to remove any of the languages already in place, yeah?
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02:56:00 <oerjan> Ox0dea: i'm just refactoring a bit :)
02:57:50 <Ox0dea> oerjan: Cool, cool. If it's any motivation, I was also gonna add Whitespace along the Y axis.
02:58:12 <Ox0dea> There's a self-interpreter that allegedly works, and I figure I might as well add my Whitespace brainfuck interpreter while I'm at it.
03:01:34 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EsoInterpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50340&oldid=49930 * Oerjan * (-7459) /* Main table */ Refactor self-interpreters into their own column
03:01:58 <oerjan> now it should fit for a while longer
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03:56:39 <\oren\> In my font w is a U wiht a short vertical stroke coming from the bowl
04:35:44 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Wat]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50341 * Wat * (+0) Created blank page
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04:37:14 <hppavilion[0]> Doc Brown saying "jigawatts" for "gigawatts" has always annoyed me
04:37:50 <izalove> in the italian version he says jigowatts
04:38:25 <zzo38> As far as I know it can be pronounce both ways is correct?
04:39:04 <zzo38> (I think I was told in a physics class it is both correct, but I don't actually remember)
04:39:07 <hppavilion[0]> zzo38: According to wikipedia, yes. But nobody ACTUALLY does that.
04:40:51 <hppavilion[0]> In 1998 in england, 84% prefer "giga", 9% "jiga", 6% "gaiga" (like "guy"), and 1% "jaiga"
04:42:19 <hppavilion[0]> Hm, "kilo hecto deci centi milli" should really be "kila hecta deco cento millo" to be consistent
04:42:34 <hppavilion[0]> (In most metric prefixes, -o means less than base and -a means more than base)
04:43:11 <izalove> now you're just making shit up
04:44:03 <hppavilion[0]> izalove: Look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefix
04:44:24 <hppavilion[0]> izalove: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix#List_of_SI_prefixes
04:44:37 <hppavilion[0]> Other than hecto and kilo, all the ones above are -a
04:44:52 <hppavilion[0]> And other than deci centi and milli, all the ones below are -o
04:46:36 <hppavilion[0]> Also, this way we can save -i for the dreaded binary prefixes
04:46:55 <hppavilion[0]> (Which I will only accept if they're an SI standard and I can troll people by using kibimeters)
04:59:25 <izalove> question about x86 assembly
04:59:33 <izalove> actually most other assembly languages as well
04:59:59 <izalove> why does one write cmp a, b; jl c
05:00:15 <izalove> there are 7242 different jumps
05:00:42 <izalove> why don't they accept arguments directly? why do they require a cmp or test?
05:00:43 <deltab> they're separate op codes (usually)
05:02:02 <deltab> and the conditional jumps can be used at any time, not just after cmp
05:02:20 <izalove> when else is it useful to use a conditional jump?
05:02:34 <Ox0dea> izalove: In a nutshell, `jl a, b, c` would be overspecified to its detriment.
05:02:43 <deltab> after add or subtract (overflow, zero)
05:03:10 <deltab> after rotate/shift using the carry bit
05:03:34 <deltab> after loading a value (negative, zero)
05:05:21 <deltab> hence \0 as a string terminator, because it doesn't need an extra instruction to test for it
05:05:30 <zzo38> I do think that "cmp a, b; jl c" is generally better
05:06:06 <izalove> deltab: never thought about that
05:06:38 <deltab> likewise negative terminators
05:08:45 <zzo38> I have used negative terminators before (in cases where any negative number terminates; which number it is may be important).
05:10:13 <zzo38> But you specify usually -1 and yes that is also sometimes common. If is a comparison <0 then it could help with programming languages such as Pascal that you can specify the range of a datatype in order that it might optimize better; C doesn't have that but maybe it should.
05:11:05 <zzo38> (For example if you write the range is -1 to +32767 then it can know that x<0 and x==-1 is the same thing.)
05:21:40 <zzo38> Although, Z-machine does use something like that "jl a, b, c"; a predicate instruction such as LESS? will take the operands and a branch target; the same instruction is used whether the branch is if success or if fail, so the same means if greater or equal, than if less.
05:22:05 <zzo38> (Maybe some other VMs do too but I don't know.)
05:23:57 * izalove declares zmachine as the best designed arch ever
05:25:11 <zzo38> Z-machine also has DLESS? which is a decrement operation and a branch if less (or branch if greater or equal), in one operation.
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06:43:41 <myname> the question is: do you need to be able to substract arbitrary amount
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09:19:19 <b_jonas> "<ais523> I must be one of the few people who learned to read Braille by sight but can't do it by touch" => eh what? don't most sighted people do that? in most cases, braille is much easier to read by sight than by touch. the only people who read it by touch are the ones with too bad eyesight.
09:21:36 <Jafet> most sighted people do not read braille
09:23:43 <b_jonas> "<hppavilion[1]> Hm, "ultimate" can mean "the last in a series" or "the greatest/most extreme example"" => see HHGG, when the supercomputer Hactar is instructed to make the ultimate weapon, and he asks to clarify.
10:19:23 <FireFly> <FreeFull> Damn, I have no good way of typing a lambda ← interestingly, X11 xkb comes with a dead_greek symbol, even though it isn't usually mapped up by default… though, grepping the symbol files it looks like the fr(bepo) layout maps it up as altgr+g
10:19:42 <FireFly> with it, you can type λ as <dead_greek> <l>
10:21:31 <b_jonas> FireFly: can't you just type it as compose l star
10:21:49 <FireFly> does 'star' mean asterisk?
10:22:00 <FireFly> doesn't seem <compose> <l> <asterisk> yields anything
10:22:22 <b_jonas> Load a different compose table then, or something?
10:22:49 <FireFly> or I could just map <dead_greek> to menu
10:58:46 <HackEgo> can't//can't is the most frequent word whose pronunciation varies between /ɑː/ and /æ/ depending on dialect. A list is: advance after answer ask aunt brass can't cast castle chance class command dance demand draft enhance example fast father glass graph grass half last laugh mask master nasty pass past path plant rather sample shan't staff task
10:58:47 <HackEgo> 91) <alise> like, just like I'd mark "Bob knob hobs deathly poop violation EXCREMENT unto;" as English <ais523> alise: that's great filler <alise> ais523: well it contains all the important words in the english language...
10:58:57 <HackEgo> future//We know nothing about the future.
10:59:05 <HackEgo> 1199) <Bike> scheme doesn't have any control structures, you can make them yourself out of call/cc, lambdas, and arrogance
11:00:05 <HackEgo> study//A study is mostly useless until backed up by further studies. See studies.
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12:09:56 <HackEgo> complete heyting algebra//A complete Heyting algebra is just a cartesian closed complete lattice.
12:10:39 <boily> I understand cartesian, closed, complete and lattice, but what's a cartesian closed complete lattice???
12:13:27 <boily> b_jellonas, Phantom_Helloover.
12:14:10 * boily bites the bullet and attempts to read the wikipedia article...
12:14:46 <boily> “... yet another definition is as a posetal cartesian closed category with all finite sums.”
12:14:56 <boily> nope. ain't gonna understand that either.
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12:59:19 <FreeFull> FireFly: Yeah, I used to have it mapped to an extra button
12:59:38 <FreeFull> I have a useless round button above esc
12:59:51 <FreeFull> It's symmetric with the power button on the other side of the laptop
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13:11:46 <HackEgo> \\\¯\\\\\\\(\\\°\\\_\\\o\\\)\\\/\\\¯\\\?\\\ \\\¯\\\\\\\(\\\°\\\_\\\o\\\)\\\/\\\¯
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13:28:10 <HackEgo> tr: extra operand `wisdom/??' \ Only one string may be given when deleting without squeezing repeats. \ Try `tr --help' for more information.
13:29:35 <izalove> `` eval printf \\\¯\\\\\\\(\\\°\\\_\\\o\\\)\\\/\\\¯\\\?\\\ \\\¯\\\\\\\(\\\°\\\_\\\o\\\)\\\/\\\¯
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17:02:40 <HackEgo> Studies show lots of things. Nobody reads them, though. Also: this study contradicts this other study.
17:04:01 <oerjan> `learn_append studies These two studies agree, but were secretly paid by the same company.
17:04:04 <HackEgo> Learned 'studie': Studies show lots of things. Nobody reads them, though. Also: this study contradicts this other study. These two studies agree, but were secretly paid by the same company.
17:05:06 <HackEgo> wisdom/studie \ wisdom/study
17:05:24 <HackEgo> «wisdom/studie» -> «wisdom/studies»
17:05:41 <HackEgo> A study is mostly useless until backed up by further studies. See studies.
17:05:49 <HackEgo> Studies show lots of things. Nobody reads them, though. Also: this study contradicts this other study. These two studies agree, but were secretly paid by the same company.
17:06:01 <oerjan> `slwd studies//s/paid/paid for/
17:06:04 <HackEgo> studies//Studies show lots of things. Nobody reads them, though. Also: this study contradicts this other study. These two studies agree, but were secretly paid for by the same company.
17:06:14 <HackEgo> 6615:2016-01-29 <mromän> learn studies show lots of things. Nobody reads them, though. \ 6616:2016-01-29 <mromän> learn studies show lots of things. Nobody reads them, though. Also this study contradicts this other study. \ 6617:2016-01-29 <mromän> learn studies show lots of things. Nobody reads them, though. Also: this study contradicts this
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17:25:07 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[TP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50344&oldid=50335 * Ender scythe * (+20) Fixed links.
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17:45:57 <oerjan> @tell boily i think heyting algebras being cartesian closed categories is related to the curry-howard-lambek isomorphism hth. basically it's what makes implication in intuitionistic logic analogous enough to -> in simply typed lambda calculus.
17:49:39 <HackEgo> 2239:2013-02-24 <Bik̈e> echo \'\\\\\\\xc2\xaf\\\\\\\\\\\\\\(\\\\\\\xc2\xb0\\\\\\_\\\\\\o\\\\\\)\\\\\\/\\\\\\\xc2\xaf\\\\\\?\\\\\\ \\\\\\\xc2\xaf\\\\\\\\\\\\\\(\\\\\\\xc2\xb0\\\\\\_\\\\\\o\\\\\\)\\\\\\/\\\\\\\xc2\xaf\' > wisdom/\\?\\?
17:50:44 <oerjan> yo dawg, i heard you liked escaping...
17:51:12 <oerjan> (is there a different recursion meme these days? i haven't been keeping up...)
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17:54:11 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: i think you're confusing with mudkips tdnh
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17:58:56 <oerjan> 00:28:35: <doesthiswork> bike: what were you trying to do?
17:58:56 <oerjan> 00:28:59: <Bike> Waste time inbetween being crushed in a game of Scrabble.
17:59:08 <oerjan> i suppose that's as close as we'll get to a reason.
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18:31:54 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Stackish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50345 * Ender scythe * (+3649) Created.
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18:37:13 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Stackish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50347&oldid=50345 * Ender scythe * (+0) Fixed notes.
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19:05:09 <\oren\> one day maybe I'll buy an arduino and make a keyboard with 200 keys
19:05:26 <\oren\> and 30 different shift
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19:06:46 <\oren\> <greek-shift> <cyrillic-shift> <hebrew-shift> <fractur-shift>
19:09:37 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: <math-shift> <math-shift-2> <math-shift-3> ... <math-shift-<greek-shift w>>
19:10:18 <zzo38> I have seen about some of the proposed features for new JavaScript. I like some of them, such as functions for dealing with 64-bit numbers, as well as function.callee, and function.sent may also be useful but something else I might like to see would be function.generator
19:10:22 <hppavilion[1]> (Small omega. Big omega is under <greek-shift . normal-shift w>)
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19:35:21 <HackEgo> 1/2:misspellings of croissant//misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯ \ cipation//A cipation is an evil scheme that only works if no one is prepared for it. \ ocean//The Pacific Ocean is half the world and surrounded by fire. The Atlantic Ocean is less cool than its giant underwater mountain range. The Arctic Ocean is cold. The In
19:35:36 * moonheart08 is thinking of submitting a question to XKCD's What If, it goes like this: 'What would happen if all of Earth's oceans suddenly started moving away from the core at 90% the speed of light?'
19:35:41 <HackEgo> 2/2:dian Ocean is full of typhoons and non-Eurocentric shipping. \ gnimmargorp//"Gnimmargorp" er algeng stafsetningarvilla af "grimmargorp". \ hagb4rd//hagb4rd is one spacey fellow. Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace.
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20:06:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Stackish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50348&oldid=50347 * Ender scythe * (+23) Added category.
20:07:24 <HackEgo> axiom of choice? ¯\(°_o)/¯
20:08:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50349&oldid=50289 * Ender scythe * (+15) Added Stackish.
20:08:34 <alercah> `le/rn axiom of choice/The axiom of choice is equivalent to the Free Will Principle and Zeno's Lemma.
20:08:37 <HackEgo> Learned 'axiom of choice': The axiom of choice is equivalent to the Free Will Principle and Zeno's Lemma.
20:10:46 <HackEgo> 1298) <shachaf> ais523: Hmm, I think the wisdom database is like the quotes file, except it's for when people think they're being funny, rather than when other people think they're funny.
20:11:54 <HackEgo> drug:Drugs are no joke. \ hppavilion1:higgledy piggledy / hp pavilion / doesn't like jokes that are / written in text; // uncontroversially, / one in a million is / roughly the chance they won't / be left perplexed \ Binary file reflection matches \ ridicule:A ridicule is a tiny particle composed of bad jokes.
20:12:07 <zzo38> If there JavaScript transpiler that you can use goto?
20:12:35 <myname> should be oretty easy to do
20:18:52 <zzo38> One way to fake the use of goto in JavaScript is with switch/case but that is messy and makes it difficult to combine with other flow-controls.
20:26:36 <zzo38> With support for macros such a thing could be made as well
20:27:01 <zzo38> (And it is also easy with switch/case if you don't have while loops and so on too)
20:27:44 <zzo38> Although, assigned and computed goto is probably rarely needed anyways
20:28:12 <zzo38> (Even normal goto is rarely needed, but it can sometimes help a lot. Don't believe the people who tell you goto is bad and never any good)
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20:51:33 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50350&oldid=50343 * Ender scythe * (+99) Added Duke Nukem idea.
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21:15:35 <zzo38> To compile into a do { ... break; } while(true); loop might help but it would also then need to move some let/const statements in some cases.
21:16:30 <zzo38> Or use while(false) in some cases, or for(;;) depend what it does
21:19:14 <zzo38> Actually, probably for(;;) is enough and you can avoid moving let/const if the loop extends to the end of the block that it is in too
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23:39:30 <oerjan> is something new happening there
23:40:55 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Apparently another earthquake? I'm 99% sure this article I'm reading is current
23:41:11 <hppavilion[1]> It was recommended by Google News as an "Editor's Pick"
23:41:16 <zzo38> Do you think what I mentioned for converting goto would work?
23:45:36 <hppavilion[1]> Hm... is an increase of 1... richter equal to 10x, or is that an increase of 0.1?
23:46:37 <oerjan> i don't remember, look it up
23:47:23 <oerjan> also there's some other scale they use instead of richter because richter essentially has a maximum.
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23:59:31 <hppavilion[1]> An increase of n richters multiplies the shakiness coefficient by 10**n