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00:00:07 <mad> also you can schedule the next operation right after
00:01:58 <mad> because it doesn't need multiple cycles to figure out how everything is renamed
00:02:26 <mad> like it can be scheduled in 1 cycle in theory even if you have dozens and dozens of sub operations
00:02:46 <mad> and you can transform RISC code into that form automatically
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00:04:28 <mad> FireFly : Well, OISC is very serial and can't be issued out of order fast :D
00:14:22 <boily> mad: mhellod! long time no see!
00:14:49 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, some internet memes are told in an alternative dialect of english displaying an SO word order. Interesting.
00:15:12 <mad> hey hey
00:15:25 <mad> hppavilion[1] : japanese influence :D
00:15:37 <hppavilion[1]> mad: That's not what I was getting at :P
00:15:38 <FireFly> hppavilion[1]: e.g.?
00:15:58 <hppavilion[1]> FireFly: It's what you when you the accidentally meme
00:17:33 * boily engrammatifies hppavilion[1]
00:17:58 <hppavilion[1]> [http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-accidentally]
00:23:05 <hppavilion[1]> In all seriousness, are there any actual languages that ever use word order not in {SOV, SVO, OSV, OVS, VSO, VOS}?
00:25:03 <mad> flexible word order
00:25:07 <mad> V2
00:25:56 <mad> "SXOV" (mostly another way of saying V2 really)
00:26:56 <mad> some cases of VSO/VOS are kinda ambiguous for rather ergative languages (what's a S?)
00:27:17 <mad> same goes for OVS (hixkaryana is very ergative)... and I think OSV
00:29:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Camto * New user account
00:29:40 <mad> one case I've read about but can't remember where or how, where 'subject' and 'object' don't really mean anything (though the language has other ways of differentiating stuff)
00:30:01 <mad> (like a language that doesn't have case and no fixed word order)
00:31:38 <boily> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8ac7zywlgp37v0u/IMG_20161207_191229.jpg?dl=0 ← tastes good
00:33:43 <\oren\> also, there are languages that don't use subject and object
00:34:01 <\oren\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergative%E2%80%93absolutive_language
00:36:38 <\oren\> in other words, there are languages where "the boy jumped" and "the girl kissed the boy" use the same grammatical marking on "the boy"
00:46:06 <mad> yeah... it's a bit debatable tho
00:47:24 <mad> like I think ergative is more like using passive by default
00:48:14 <mad> "the girl was-kissed by-the-boy"
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00:59:26 <oerjan> `addquote <doesthiswork> there are very few things more child friendly than breasts
00:59:41 <HackEgo> 1300) <doesthiswork> there are very few things more child friendly than breasts
01:01:01 * oerjan isn't quite sure if that's funny without the context
01:02:57 * oerjan twitches from triskaidekaphobia
01:03:08 <boily> hellørjan. “The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that it's all learned.” ― Bruce Ediger
01:03:27 * boily lightly mapoles oerjan thirteen times
01:03:29 <oerjan> helloily. would you like to handle the next hundred quotes or so
01:05:11 <boily> eh?
01:05:19 <boily> like, suddenly a hundred quotes at once?
01:05:26 <boily> oh.
01:05:46 <boily> it was quote 1300. no worries, I can handle that like the Groan Chicken Man that I am.
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01:09:27 <boily> is it common in other languages besides English and French to group numbers between 1000 and 1999 by hundreds? like 1988 is said “nineteen eighty eight” («dix-neuf cent quatre-vingt-huit»).
01:09:35 <boily> mheloony.
01:09:45 <alercah> yes
01:09:51 <alercah> err, well
01:09:56 <boily> hellorcah.
01:10:00 <alercah> it's common to do various random groupings
01:10:03 <alercah> I dunno about that specifically
01:10:07 <alercah> bonjouroily
01:10:10 <oerjan> boily: it's common in norwegian hth
01:10:22 <boily> well, you have the standard grouping, but then vernacular or dialectal variations?
01:10:27 <boily> oerjan: tdh.
01:11:01 <fizzie> I think "nineteen eighty eight" in English is also only for some things, like years. I don't think you say "nineteen eighty eight pounds" if something costs £1988.
01:11:30 <alercah> fizzie: you'd say "nineteen hundred eighty eight" in north america, but I've heard it's not common in europe
01:12:01 <fizzie> It's not a thing at all in Finnish, incidentally.
01:12:05 <oerjan> i think in norwegian it's more common if the number is round
01:12:43 <alercah> note that "eleven hundred thousand" would be very unusual though
01:12:49 <alercah> you'd just say one point one million
01:14:23 <boily> indeed, for money you'd use the normal way.
01:14:23 <fizzie> "nineteen hundred" sounds very odd in Finnish, it's always "thousand nine hundred".
01:15:08 <oerjan> actually i think ads with weird prices like 2990 tend to say "to ni nitti", without mentioning hundreds or thousands
01:15:21 <fizzie> (We don't have the "20th century" thing either, that's "1900-century" to us.)
01:15:30 <alercah> oh that's sensible
01:15:47 <mad> 1988 most of the time is mille-neuf-cent-quatre-vingt-dix-huit
01:16:03 <mad> though it's kinda regional, the 'cent' way is more common in europe I think
01:16:37 <oerjan> "femten hundre kroner" soundly beats "ett tusen fem hundre kroner" at google.
01:17:22 <fizzie> oerjan: That ad thing is true too.
01:17:55 <boily> and you have those who say «octante» and «nonante». bletch.
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01:19:18 <fizzie> I was about to say that "mille-neuf-cent-quatre-vingt-dix-huit" sounds ridiculous, but I guess "tuhatyhdeksänsataakahdeksankymmentäkahdeksan" looks a bit imposing too.
01:19:33 <mad> well
01:19:48 <mad> it's written mille neuf cent quatre-vingt-dix-huit
01:19:49 <mad> I think
01:21:05 <fizzie> Finnish does put all that together like that when it comes to writing out numbers. Though presumably in the majority of the cases you would have fallen back to using digits by that time.
01:21:16 <mad> and pronounced about mil neu cen qua-e-vin-dx-uit
01:22:26 <fizzie> In colloquial speech I guess also just "one nine eight eight" could come out.
01:24:59 <boily> /mɪl.nœs.sã.kät.ʁ̥ə.vɛ̃.d͡zɪs.ɥit/
01:30:31 <shachaf> hizzie
01:30:45 <shachaf> It took me a long time to get used to "nineteen hundred" etc. in English.
01:30:55 <shachaf> Everything else is in thousands.
01:31:14 <shachaf> I think "twenty hundred" sounds odd even in English.
01:33:44 <fizzie> For years like 2250, I think it's just "the year twenty-two fifty", instead of twenty-two hundred fifty.
01:34:13 <oerjan> in the year 2525
01:35:23 <fizzie> I picked 2250 because it's midway through when the Babylon 5 series takes place.
01:35:37 <oerjan> OKAY
01:36:10 <fizzie> Oh no, I'm wrong.
01:36:39 <fizzie> The Babylon 5 years were actually 2258-2262, not 2248-2252.
01:36:52 <fizzie> Never mind then.
01:41:35 <fizzie> If I recall correctly, the Long Now Foundation uses five-digit years in all official documents.
01:42:04 <oerjan> how mediumsighted
01:43:22 <fizzie> They're finally building that clock, I guess.
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02:12:06 <boily> fungot: nocturnal nostril.
02:12:06 <fungot> boily: i have just consulted on the subject. it is
02:12:11 <boily> 'night all!
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04:39:50 <\oren\> `unicode ʁ̥
04:40:03 <HackEgo> U+0281 LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL INVERTED R \ UTF-8: ca 81 UTF-16BE: 0281 Decimal: &#641; \ ʁ \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+0325 COMBINING RING BELOW \ UTF-8: cc a5 UTF-16BE: 0325 Decimal: &#805; \ ̥ \ Category: Mn (Mark, Non-Spacing) \ Bidi: NSM (Non-Spacing Mark) \ Combining: 220 (Below)
05:13:29 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50468&oldid=50464 * Ais523 * (+18) /* A */ +[[A Pear Tree]]; this is mostly a joke, but it ''is'' usable for programming, so…
05:14:12 <oerjan> `unicode PARTRIDGE
05:14:21 <HackEgo> No output.
05:14:23 <oerjan> aww
05:21:36 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[A Pear Tree]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50469 * Ais523 * (+1745) I made this, so I may as well post it…
05:22:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[A Pear Tree]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50470&oldid=50469 * Ais523 * (+22) it seems that writing in wikimarkup in one tab, Markdown in a second, and Perldoc in my editor all at once is not advisable…
05:22:55 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[A Pear Tree]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50471&oldid=50470 * Ais523 * (+11) it seems that writing in wikimarkup in one tab, Markdown in a second, and Perldoc in my editor all at once is not advisable…
05:24:44 <izalove> youtube rewind is awesome
05:29:38 <myname> what's that
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05:37:42 <izalove> https://www.youtube.com/user/theyearinreview
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06:50:09 <Jafet> how about a language named after An Oak Tree
06:51:14 <mad> Oakay
06:51:58 <izalove> . . .
06:52:37 <hppavilion[1]> Quantity Calculus is interesting. We should abuse it.
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07:08:27 <oerjan> . o O ( any advice using the word "should" is most likely wrong )
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07:14:31 <izalove> so we should stop using the word should?
07:15:15 <myname> mad: <3
07:30:06 <oerjan> izalove: yep! oh wait
07:30:37 <oerjan> food ->
07:31:04 <mad> "Je déteste le subjonctif, et le subjonctif passé, et l'imparfait, et le plus-que-parfait, et le conditionnel présent" reply: "Ça serait dommage que tu t'arrêtes et que tu aies manqué ces temps... si seulement tu avais su à quel point ils étaient beaux!"
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08:55:16 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, I need a zv and an nr ligature so that I can atbash and rot13 my æs
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10:50:29 <int-e> notitdoesnt
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11:46:02 <boily> `wisdom
11:46:13 <HackEgo> footnote 1//May contain nuts⁸.
11:48:56 <int-e> (and bo(i?)lts)
11:49:14 <int-e> `? pun
11:49:16 <HackEgo> Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. But beware of Muphry adding misspellings.
11:49:32 <int-e> fungot: why wouldn't I ask shachaf about puns?
11:49:32 <fungot> int-e: and for some reason i think " reverse" from r5rs normally optimized? i.e. blacks king moves, to construct responses based on random events when the black and gay people?
11:49:51 <boily> int-ello. did you just boltly pun my name?
11:49:55 <int-e> thanks fungot
11:49:56 <fungot> int-e: global name ' getitem' is not used for real-world applications" people :p)?
11:50:18 <boily> but shachaf isn't the Black King, he's the Queen of the Dawn.
11:52:53 <int-e> It wasn't bold, I just ran afowl of another awfowl pun. (punny chicken)
11:56:58 * boily *thwack* *thwack* *thwack* int-e. 1.0 FP.
12:23:28 <int-e> ^style
12:23:28 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
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12:32:12 <FireFly> good day, fungot
12:32:13 <fungot> FireFly: from what i have on my desktop as something like fnord the most popular of the fnord. for some reason
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12:49:26 <b_jonas> that's a nice fungot line
12:49:26 <fungot> b_jonas: they dump a lot of boxing and unboxing stuff is costly.
12:52:17 <int-e> too much fnord.
12:53:24 <FireFly> fungot must fancy boxing day
12:53:24 <fungot> FireFly: if i use stuff from bar.scm, and bar.scm needs stuff from foo.scm and bar.scm with the module system command processor chapters.
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16:53:55 <b_jonas> For several interesting mathematical discoveries, there is a legend that Gauss has discovered it, but didn't bother to write it down and publish, because he thought it was too insignificant or trivial .
16:54:34 <b_jonas> Is there a mathematical discovery for which there definitely can't be such a legend, eg. because it follows from ZFC that Gauss couldn't have known about it?
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16:59:29 <Jafet> I have not heard any recent rumours about gauss solving the continuum hypothesis
17:00:26 <Phantom_Hoover> the answer is 'no' because the idea doesn't hold up to scrutiny
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18:11:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * NoOneIsHere * New user account
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18:18:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[BrainInt]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50474 * NoOneIsHere * (+884) Created page with "==Introduction== BrainInt is a language invented by NoOneIsHere from Programming Puzzles & Code Golf. ==Basics== These are the current commands: # +, increment current cell #..."
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18:49:31 <\oren\> OH GOD NO
18:49:42 <\oren\> ANOTHER BF derivative
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18:51:50 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: *sigh* where
18:52:01 <\oren\> https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50474
18:52:19 <shachaf> BrainBrick
18:52:20 <hppavilion[1]> The page is pretty shit too
18:52:37 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Maybe there should be a central page for BF derivatives and we'll bury them all there...
18:52:45 <hppavilion[1]> (for all new ones
18:52:47 <hppavilion[1]> )
18:56:55 <\oren\> https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder968/500x/73763968.jpg
18:57:26 <\oren\> aside: I've never watched any star trek, I just like the bald guy
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19:13:04 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Everyone likes the bald guy
19:13:15 <hppavilion[1]> I've watched a little. My dad really likes it.
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19:47:03 <hppavilion[1]> `unidecode □
19:47:17 <HackEgo> ​[U+25A1 WHITE SQUARE]
19:47:41 <\oren\> `unicode 25A0
19:47:43 <HackEgo> ​■
19:47:56 <\oren\> `unidecode ■
19:47:58 <HackEgo> ​[U+25A0 BLACK SQUARE]
19:48:04 <\oren\> `unicode 25A2
19:48:06 <HackEgo> ​▢
19:48:09 <\oren\> `unicode 25A3
19:48:11 <HackEgo> ​▣
19:48:14 <\oren\> `unicode 25A4
19:48:15 <HackEgo> ​▤
19:49:51 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, are □ ▢ ○ distinguishable enough in most fonts to use together distinctly?
19:50:25 <hppavilion[1]> They are in neoletters, but \oren\ seems to have worked very hard to make the characters that are usually homoglyphs distinct so people can tell the difference
19:50:31 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: ty tdh
19:53:48 <hppavilion[1]> ◇ isn't diamondy enough though
19:55:27 <Zarutian> there is no such shape as diamond. At least not in 2d. What you want probalby are rhombuses
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20:05:34 <shachaf> I think there is such a shape as diamond, because everyone knows what you mean when you say it.
20:06:05 <shachaf>
20:06:11 <shachaf> That one is definitely a diamond.
20:10:27 <Jafet> most diamonds aren't diamond-shaped, naturally
20:10:36 <Jafet> (nor artificially, for that matter)
20:11:09 <shachaf> Suit yourself.
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20:38:21 <FireFly> sweet suit
20:56:00 <\oren\> https://www.facebook.com/livinginchinaironically/videos/1709099522735302/
20:56:21 <zzo38> Which subtypes in Magic: the Gathering are unique? I think that at least these ones are: Tower, Power-Plant, Mine, Fortification. Until Time Spiral, so was Kithkin, and until Kaladesh (Unhinged doesn't count), so was Hyena. Are there more?
20:56:25 <\oren\> Hayao Miyazaki is very insulted by these AIs
20:56:49 <zzo38> (I am counting only the type line, not characteristic-defining abilities or anything else)
20:56:50 <\oren\> "I strongly feel like this is an insult to life itself."
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21:07:44 <zzo38> Another subtype that is currently unique is Rabiah.
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21:49:56 <moonheart08> Sethbling made an Atari 2600 emulator in Minecraft. o-O
21:51:52 <izalove> whoa someone is starring a "project" of mine on github that's like 10 lines of code
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21:52:08 <izalove> and they opened an issue to add a license
21:52:22 <izalove> https://github.com/izabera/waiter/issues/1
21:53:05 * izalove feels important
21:55:22 <int-e> license it under GPL for great license:code ratio.
21:55:54 <izalove> i'll double license it under gpl2 and gpl3
21:56:13 <zzo38> Post as public domain
21:56:18 <izalove> yeah
22:02:50 <ybden> izalove: why bother creating a variable for the siginfo_t?
22:03:04 <int-e> hmm I might actually complete snakebird this year
22:03:24 <izalove> ybden: as opposed to &(siginfo_t){ 0 } ?
22:03:41 <ybden> ye
22:03:41 <izalove> i don't care
22:03:47 <ybden> or, (siginfo_t[]){0}
22:03:52 <izalove> sure whatever
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23:32:30 <int-e> in fact I finished it (snakebird) now... there is a final level in the center (with a space theme), so 53 in total.
23:32:56 <int-e> and some fireworks in the end... nothing too exciting.
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