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01:25:09 <Zarutian> `learn_append Zarutian He is also known for making rather long HackEgo wisdom entries.
01:25:23 <HackEgo> Learned 'zarutian': You can trust Zarutian. He fixes, as an electronics technician, banal mistakes of electronics engineers. Rather cy(ph|b)erpunkish in outlook regarding the 'Net. Knows more about ocaps than you can imagine. Possesses an Icelandic unnerver that ejects freezingly hot lava out of its business end. Bears an 'Authentic fakes provider'
02:09:02 <\oren\> I corrected some letters in my font
02:17:47 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/Zarutian
02:18:04 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/zarutian
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02:31:12 <hppavilion[1]> (I seem to remember that they're literally considered a case pair in Scandinavia)
02:31:41 <\oren\> clearly ^ is a capital 6
02:32:25 <Zarutian> \oren\: what kind of keycaps are you working from here?
02:32:38 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 1234567890-=: not found
02:33:24 <hppavilion[1]> Wait, is it { being capital [, } being capital ], and | being capital \?
02:33:35 * Zarutian use the one decided by Skýrslutæknifélag Íslands, usually called IS-QWERTY (mac)
02:34:26 <\oren\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_646#National_variants
02:35:27 <\oren\> in norway {|} were æøå
02:39:52 <hppavilion[1]> Huh, Indian programmers sometimes call { and } "flower brackets". I like that.
02:41:29 * hppavilion[1] . o O ( It's weird to imagine properly unicoded XML, with ⟨tag⟩ body ⟨/tag⟩ )
02:44:29 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: which are capital and which are small is simply decided by where they're in ASCII hth
02:45:12 <hppavilion[1]> I'm so disappointed that it's just an artifact of alternative charactersets
02:46:30 <hppavilion[1]> Wait, is it Denmark or the Netherlands with all the dikes?
02:47:10 <Zarutian> because you have to UP to the beach
02:49:49 <oerjan> i don't think danish uses ü
02:50:25 <oerjan> maybe they have enough loanwords with it to have had it in the charset
02:51:21 <hppavilion[1]> OH! # is called "pound sign" because the british ascii variants (all three) mapped that codepoint to £! That explains it!
02:51:44 <Zarutian> its official name though is octothorpe
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03:24:51 <oerjan> hmph my internet has got lost for a period every evening lately
03:26:11 <oerjan> i found an ISP log message that told there was an error they were fixing... but they had declared it fixed before this last time.
03:27:12 <oerjan> (and it's not the same time every day)
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03:33:35 <Zarutian> oerjan: are you by any chance using WiFi?
03:34:16 <oerjan> yes, i am. but the connection to the router seems fine...
03:34:47 <oerjan> (on the other hand, the router claims throughout to have internet connection as well)
03:34:59 <Zarutian> oerjan: I had come across a similiar problem when I was working as an customer|network technician for an ISP. That instance turned out be caused by neighbours that had recently moved back from overseas and were using an tv extender.
03:35:32 <oerjan> Zarutian: the router is encrypted, though.
03:35:36 <Zarutian> that tv extender swamped the 2.4 GHz band
03:36:00 <oerjan> but it happens in the middle of the night (except the first time)
03:37:20 <oerjan> the laptop is clearly connected enough to notice when i turn on/off the router, and the router blinks when the laptop is reconnecting to it.
03:37:23 <Zarutian> you been running continous ping to your router and on your router you have been running continous ping to some server on the net?
03:38:37 <oerjan> Zarutian: the thing is, it disappears abruptly, for several minutes (yesterday more than an hour), the laptop claims there's connection to the router, but not the internet.
03:38:53 <Zarutian> and what did the router claim?
03:39:14 <oerjan> the router lights seemed fine.
03:39:59 <oerjan> although i was just assuming it had some connection to a point further on, but not onto the internet proper.
03:40:05 <Zarutian> your router has an DSL modem or is it connected to fiber optic box?
03:40:24 <oerjan> (the light supposedly signifies that it has been assigned an IP)
03:41:03 <oerjan> know. i haven't removed it from the wall since i moved here, presumably there's a connection behind it.
03:41:31 <Zarutian> where you plug the wall cable into the router does it say WAN or DSL?
03:42:09 <Zarutian> you mean you are using an router you do not know how connects to the 'Net?
03:42:47 <oerjan> well it's from the Get cable/broadband company.
03:43:04 <Zarutian> the one that eather goes to your in apartment fiber optic enddevice or the one that goes to the one in the basement
03:43:09 <oerjan> (there's a big cable decoder box which i've never opened.)
03:43:53 <oerjan> there is no visible cable. i suspect there's a socket behind the router.
03:44:02 <oerjan> which is fixed to the wall.
03:44:43 <Zarutian> do you have an administrative access to that router? via an web interface or some such?
03:47:48 <oerjan> i was just looking that up. which tells me i was wrong about which company it was from :P
03:48:11 <oerjan> (The big box has Get written on it, so i was assuming)
03:49:01 <oerjan> oh never mind, it redirects to get.
03:50:20 <oerjan> there is a web interface. maybe i'll try it next time it blows up.
03:50:52 <oerjan> Zarutian: it's fibre broadband, anyway.
03:51:59 <Zarutian> is it reachable on whatever IP your laptop says is the gateway? If it is then you are set, if you need to go through some my pages thing on Get then you might be SOL when it goes on the blitz again.
03:52:30 <Zarutian> wait you said you have two boxes? an big one afixed to the wall and then a router?
03:53:12 <oerjan> no, i have just the router. the other box is for cable tv, and i have never connected it, i don't have a tv.
03:53:29 <oerjan> the router is affixed to the wall.
03:53:46 <oerjan> it's got a power cable, but nothing else visible.
03:54:05 <Zarutian> if the big box doesnt get power does your net go out?
03:54:37 <oerjan> the big box is still in its original cardboard. i would be extremely surprised if it has any power.
03:56:03 <Zarutian> hmm... you live in a big apartment building? If so then your router is most likely connected via cat-5e eathernet cable to an fiber end device that is down in the basement or where ever comm mains come into the building.
03:56:05 <oerjan> if i weren't such a sloth i'd probably stow it in a cupboard.
03:56:42 <oerjan> Zarutian: that sounds like it. we're supposed to get an upgrade (and a new big box) soon...
03:58:12 <oerjan> (from 1 Mb to 50 Mb in and out [translated sic])
03:58:31 <Zarutian> oerjan: the setup I have is that the fiber optic is to the apartment and goes to an end device. To that device I connected my router with an eathernet cat5e.
04:00:24 <Zarutian> the end device is affixed to the wall, mainly to prevent damage to the optical fiber due to movement when dusting. The router is sitting in a shelf right by.
04:02:40 <oerjan> sounds a bit like the setup in my previous apartment, except that was via phone line i think.
04:02:48 <Zarutian> so, if this happen during the middle of the night then I recommend you go downstairs to wherever that fiber optic end device is and see if it has power. (These things invariable have power indicator leds)
04:03:09 <oerjan> i'm not sure i have access to there.
04:03:32 <oerjan> or well, i don't know where it is, for a start.
04:03:41 <oerjan> i guess i can look around.
04:03:41 <Zarutian> oh, yeah, you have supers, I forgot.
04:05:50 <Zarutian> oerjan: in the old settup did you have to connect your phone through a little dongle like device? if so then most likely you had DSL
04:08:54 <oerjan> there was a small splitter (although the phone part was not for me but for the landlady)
04:10:23 <oerjan> and then there were two devices, one probably dsl and one router. later the first was replaced and had enough connections that we scrapped the router.
04:11:05 <oerjan> oh and some wifi that we lost the password to :P
04:11:19 <oerjan> (so only the landlady could use it)
04:11:31 <Zarutian> propably the dsl thing got replaced with an router with built in dsl modem
04:12:04 <oerjan> i think there was always a router part, it just didn't have enough connections for all the inhabitants.
04:12:34 <Zarutian> ZyXel, Thomson iTouch, Sagem or Linksys.
04:12:49 <Zarutian> oh? Huge house that had many renters?
04:12:59 <oerjan> so there was a separate router for expansion (and also she dropped a tenant)
04:13:27 <oerjan> but we had just one room separate each
04:14:06 <oerjan> typical minimal student accommodation
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04:45:12 <HackEgo> U+FFFE - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: ef bf be UTF-16BE: fffe Decimal:  \ () \ Uppercase: U+FFFE \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned)
04:45:34 <HackEgo> U+FFFF - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: ef bf bf UTF-16BE: ffff Decimal:  \ () \ Uppercase: U+FFFF \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned)
04:46:01 <HackEgo> U+0020 SPACE \ UTF-8: 20 UTF-16BE: 0020 Decimal:   \ \ Category: Zs (Separator, Space) \ Bidi: WS (Whitespace) \ \ U+FFFC OBJECT REPLACEMENT CHARACTER \ UTF-8: ef bf bc UTF-16BE: fffc Decimal:  \  \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
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06:22:59 <\oren\> Vacuum welding seems like a really annoying problem to have
06:23:17 <\oren\> your nice new macbook is accidentally welded SHUT
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07:48:33 <|oren\> what should I add to my font next?
07:55:16 <|oren\> hmm, how about some more fancy mathematical symbols
08:01:41 <zzo38> Did you add the pieces of big Sigma (used on some DEC terminals)?
08:04:21 <zzo38> No, the one I mean is bigger than that.
08:05:17 <shachaf> How big do your integrals get?
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09:58:47 <Taneb> That is an integral part of unicode
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11:29:31 <int-e> fizzie: but where's the same thing for curly braces?
11:33:00 <FireFly> oh correction, you're supposed to use ⎪ to extend
11:33:56 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unidecoe: not found
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11:34:29 <int-e> FireFly: oh damn, it's "bracket" not "brace". that's how I missed it. thanks
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11:50:02 <fizzie> There's also the ⎰⎱ pair for making two-line ones.
11:50:43 <fizzie> "UPPER LEFT OR LOWER RIGHT CURLY BRACKET SECTION" and "UPPER RIGHT OR LOWER LEFT CURLY BRACKET SECTION".
11:51:46 <int-e> hmm. then is there also a ⎭ that extends to the bottom of the character cell, for even number of lines?
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12:23:31 <LKoen> fizzie: what about making an even number of lines bracket?
12:23:39 <LKoen> (but bigger than two)
12:26:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[OneFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50475&oldid=50258 * Slnetaiga * (+126) Added implementation on Jake
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12:34:07 <fizzie> You're probably just out of luck if you need a curly one.
12:34:30 <fizzie> The square and round ones you can do, since there's no middle bit to worry about.
13:03:34 <Jafet> there's always the private use section
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18:02:18 <|oren\> hmm, maybe I should ask the unicode people about the curly brakcet problem
18:02:39 <zzo38> What is the problem?
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18:34:19 <lambdabot> CYVR 091832Z 10010KT 15SM FEW013 BKN019 OVC028 M01/M02 A2998 RMK SC2SC4SC2 VIS N 12SM SLP154
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19:14:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Starfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50476&oldid=50465 * Redstarcoder * (+285) /* Movement and execution */ Added v1.1 instructions
19:14:44 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Starfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50477&oldid=50476 * Redstarcoder * (+0) /* Movement and execution */
19:15:06 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Starfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50478&oldid=50477 * Redstarcoder * (+11) /* Movement and execution */
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19:25:11 <|oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym3HnjBxPsw
19:25:42 <|oren\> South Korean -> North Korean translator
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19:37:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Starfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50479&oldid=50478 * Redstarcoder * (+1027) /* Code execution */ Explained functions (call/ret)
19:40:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Starfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50480&oldid=50479 * Redstarcoder * (+135) /* Examples */
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21:14:15 <HackEgo> 1/2:epsilon//epsilon stands for Extensible Platform of Integrated Languages for Model Management (EPILMM) \ hppavilion1//higgledy piggledy / hp pavilion / doesn't like jokes that are / written in text; // uncontroversially, / one in a million is / roughly the chance they won't / be left perplexed \ ist//An ist is an incomplete list.
21:14:21 <HackEgo> 2/2: \ sgtm//Sergeant Mustard \ llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch//Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch is a village in Wales.
21:14:49 <HackEgo> 1/7:160) Thanks to nooga for constructive criticism, his ideas and being a constant annoyance. --http://theendisnear.no-ip.info/ \ 202) <j-invariant> I need a new desktop background <Gregor> j-invariant: Try http://codu.org/spinners.png (tiled) <j-invariant> uhrghoaudp \ 224) <Gregor> !bfjoust furry_furry_strapon_pegging_girls htt
21:15:01 <HackEgo> 1/3:428) <monqy> beautiful summer / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck \ 476) <monqy> i am out of all the fame loops <monqy> and the australien soap opera loops <monqy> so much loop / s omcuh \ 1028) <elliott> beautiful summer / massacres in qusayr / sent from my iphone \ 1134) <shachaf> A Swede who was
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21:15:21 <HackEgo> 2/3:in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." \ 1258) <mauris> MAHJONG TILE AUTUMN / HIRAGANA LETTER YA / SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW \ 1299) <oerjan> Minskily, Munskily / ais523 / hailing from Birmingham / is a sublime // master of intricate / esotericity
21:15:37 <HackEgo> 3/3: / yet is confounded by / travel in time.
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21:35:02 <Zarutian> `learn_append Zarutian Take for instance this entry. It has a whole subentry just on Icelandic unnerver. Even though the Icelandic unnerver has its own.
21:35:07 <HackEgo> Learned 'zarutian': You can trust Zarutian. He fixes, as an electronics technician, banal mistakes of electronics engineers. Rather cy(ph|b)erpunkish in outlook regarding the 'Net. Knows more about ocaps than you can imagine. Possesses an Icelandic unnerver that ejects freezingly hot lava out of its business end. Bears an 'Authentic fakes provider'
21:37:03 <HackEgo> Zarutiän Zarutiän boil̈y boil̈y oerjän Zarutiän Zarutiän Zarutiän Zarutiän Zarutiän Zarutiän boil̈y boil̈y
21:37:14 <shachaf> isn't there a rule about not modifying your own wisdom entry
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21:40:26 <Zarutian> `le//rn long winded// This is an adjective phrase used to describe something that has been long in the wind and has been slowly sculpted to be more flowing, thereby allowing wind to pass it with less resistance.
21:40:29 <HackEgo> Learned 'long winded': This is an adjective phrase used to describe something that has been long in the wind and has been slowly sculpted to be more flowing, thereby allowing wind to pass it with less resistance.
21:41:01 <shachaf> weren't your wisdom privileges revoked once
21:41:44 <Zarutian> if so, then HackEgo hadnt got the memo, nor I.
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21:47:42 <HackEgo> You might expect a reference to recursion here, but to make it interesting you'll actuallSTACK OVERFLOW
21:51:44 <HackEgo> brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. The name is a euphemism for "beef". bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array
21:55:06 <HackEgo> Learned 'bf': bf See: brainfuck
21:58:16 <HackEgo> myname//myname is not your name. You don't know what they are doing. Or you are doing. Or am I? He is Perl's evil twin brother.
21:58:55 <HackEgo> porthello//Hellonfused one. Porthellos are the standard greeting format in #esoteric. Best enjoyed with some thé or caffè and a fternooner.
21:59:20 <HackEgo> braid theory//Braid theory is the extremely twisted theory of braids.
21:59:26 <HackEgo> the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
21:59:41 <HackEgo> Thé is an oddly-spelled hot beverage popular in the Commonwealth.
22:00:21 <HackEgo> tvtropes//We'll write about TVTropes here, we just have to finish these tabs first.
22:00:44 <HackEgo> 6439:2015-12-22 <boil̈y> ` mv wisdom/tvtrope wisdom/tvtropes \ 5808:2015-07-05 <oerjän> ` mv wisdom/tvtrope{s,} \ 5807:2015-07-05 <oerjän> le/rn tvtropes/We\'ll write about TVTropes here, we\'ll just have to finish these tabs first.
22:01:07 <shachaf> what's that boily edit about?
22:01:58 <|oren\> looks like oerjän moved it to tvtrope and boil̈y moved it back to tvtropes
22:02:02 <shachaf> @tell boily `dowg tvtropes
22:02:13 <shachaf> Both of the things you said are apparent from the dowg.
22:03:26 <int-e> . o O ( Roman troops had a half-life of 6.57 decimations. )
22:03:47 <int-e> or 6.58, rounding correctly.
22:07:10 <int-e> (If anybody cares where this came from, I was pondering `sled wisdom/tvtropes//s/finish/decimate/ but then I thought that decimation would be too slow.)
22:08:39 <HackEgo> File: `bin/slwd' \ Size: 53 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 1024 regular file \ Device: 12h/18dInode: 671133 Links: 1 \ Access: (0755/-rwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) Gid: ( 0/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2016-12-06 02:28:33.000000000 +0000 \ Modify: 2016-11-01 05:40:51.000000000 +0000 \ Change: 2016-11-01 05:40:51.000000000 +0000
22:11:47 <HackEgo> Binary file reflection matches
22:13:06 <fizzie> Maybe that tool could do with an -a.
22:14:32 <HackEgo> reflection:grep.-R.-a.ebud.--.`.`?.`? `?.^. ._ÌÌÌ°_ÌÌ
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22:15:00 <fizzie> I was sort of expecting most matching "binary" files not to be all that binary.
22:17:56 <int-e> I don't get it, where is that garbage coming from...
22:19:37 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/grwp
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22:26:54 <wob_jonas> In today'shttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/accursed-discounts , do you have the feeling that the boy has probably heard of the legend of the Brazen bull, and that the father will soon be one of the people powering that car?
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22:32:19 <fizzie> `` ls -ld wisdom/reflection # yeah, it was crafty
22:32:24 <HackEgo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 18 Oct 28 18:38 wisdom/reflection -> /proc/self/cmdline
22:33:31 <HackEgo> #! /bin/bash \ cd wisdom; shopt -s dotglob; grep -R "$@" -- *
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