00:00:08 <HackEgo> cdop \ group \ halfling \ intellectual property \ keenlist \ kithkin \ reflection \ rules of wisdom \ sanity \ termite \ treant \ treefolk \ unicide \ universal property \ vegemite \ www
00:00:32 <HackEgo> keenlist is notification for when Tom Hall finally acquires the necessary intellectual property rights to create the videogame series Commander Keen: The Universe is Toast
00:00:42 <hppavilion[1]> `` echo 'cd wisdom; shopt -s dotglob; grep -ERlis "$@" -- *' > bin/gwni
00:00:51 <HackEgo> cdop \ group \ halfling \ intellectual property \ keenlist \ kithkin \ reflection \ rules of wisdom \ sanity \ termite \ treant \ treefolk \ unicide \ universal property \ vegemite \ www
00:00:56 * oerjan vaguely wonders if there are any other commands broken by the -visdom
00:01:04 <HackEgo> cat: gwni: No such file or directory
00:01:29 <hppavilion[1]> `` echo 'cd wisdom; shopt -s dotglob; grep -ERls "$@" -- *' > bin/gwn
00:04:18 <oerjan> <HackEgo> 🐐 <(Unicode goat laments your inability to render Unicode goat.) <-- i render it fine tyvm * hides missing hind legs
00:06:30 <HackEgo> 0 \ 1 \ 1*1 \ 4chan \ 4rn4 \ 6 random numbers \ 7 \ 9 \ 21 \ 42 \ 323 \ 1337 \ 2600 \ XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ a \ aah \ abbreviation \ abnf \ abstract nonsense \ abyss \ acab \ accounting \ action \ adjective \ admn \ adopted \ adu \ adventure \ advertisement \ afk \ agdq \ aglist \ aha \ ais523 \ algebraic chess notation \ algebraic geometry \ algebrai
00:06:37 <HackEgo> 4chan is twice as loud as stereo.
00:07:01 <hppavilion[1]> If there was an oerjan calculator, it'd have to end every message with 'hth'
00:07:10 <hppavilion[1]> (Is that oerjan or someone else who had to put a hth remover?)
00:07:34 <oerjan> it was probably too evil
00:13:09 <HackEgo> hppavilion[1] se describe en las notas al pie. ¿Porqué no los dos? Nadie lo sabe. No es tan cluecless. Él aspira a ser más incomprensible que esta sabiduría.
00:13:17 <HackEgo> rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but probably not. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom.
00:13:22 <rdococ> still apparently from Budapest.
00:15:15 <hppavilion[1]> Apparently Nørway's legislature is called the "Storting"
00:15:41 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: I assume the political parties of its members are determined by the Storting Hat?
00:17:17 * oerjan doesn't get the reference
00:18:28 <oerjan> with their own translated names and everything.
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00:18:43 <oerjan> (iirc Dumbledore is Humlesnurr)
00:19:42 * oerjan looks at hppavilion[1] sternly for disconnecting in the midst of conversation
00:20:33 <rdococ> hppavilion[1], will you please decide whether your arrays start with 0 or 1 please?!
00:21:03 <fizzie> oerjan: Finnish translation translates names as well.
00:21:04 <rdococ> hppavilion[1], why are you hppavilion[1] then, and then your alt is hppavilion[0] for when you disconnect?
00:21:04 <oerjan> anyway, Fremskrittspartiet would obviously be Slytherin. i'm not too clear on the rest of the houses. (i've never actually _read_ harry potter.)
00:21:14 <fizzie> Although the only name I remember is Hogwarts -> Tylypahka.
00:21:15 <rdococ> do your arrays go BACKWARDS from 1?
00:21:28 <hppavilion[0]> ("Storting Hat" being the English name of the... well, the sorting hat. The hat that sorts.)
00:21:58 <shachaf> You mean the hat that storts?
00:21:58 <hppavilion[0]> rdococ: Because the element in hppavilion[1] is a better user; hppavilion[0] is the backup, inferior user
00:22:09 <shachaf> Presumably the opposite of distorting
00:22:29 <rdococ> and this is hppavilion[0] saying he's inferior?
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00:22:30 <hppavilion[0]> "Sorting Hat" is the English name, not "Storting Hat"
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00:23:32 <rdococ> YOU MEAN #hppavilion == 1?
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00:23:47 <rdococ> or len(hppavilion) = 1?
00:24:16 <rdococ> the element in hppavilion[2] is an even BETTER user. go for that
00:25:07 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: also Iceland's legislature is Alþingi, which means "all thing" hth
00:25:26 <rdococ> you don't know 1/1 = 0?
00:25:36 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/learn: line 4: wisdom/1/1: Not a directory \ Learned '1/1': 1/1 2
00:26:03 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/learn: line 4: wisdom/1/1: Not a directory \ Learned '1/1': 1/1 is zero.
00:26:17 <rdococ> `learn 1 divided by 1 is 0
00:26:20 <HackEgo> Relearned '1': 1 divided by 1 is 0
00:26:29 <HackEgo> The 1 is just for disambiguation.
00:26:56 * rdococ wanted to be an #esotericer
00:27:25 <HackEgo> Binary file reflection matches
00:27:30 <shachaf> The trick is writing a bunch of limericks.
00:27:32 <HackEgo> rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but probably not. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom.
00:27:32 <int-e> rdococ: the key is less important than the contents
00:27:53 * hppavilion[1] spent too long looking for the best number for that
00:28:27 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilon_numbers_(mathematics)
00:28:29 <int-e> a large cardinal joke?
00:28:29 <rdococ> well duh but what is it equal to
00:28:51 <int-e> (well, large countable ordinal really)
00:30:10 <int-e> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilon_numbers_(mathematics)
00:30:18 <int-e> that was my association at least.
00:30:56 <int-e> So it's not all that large really
00:31:37 <rdococ> not as large as aleph-one
00:31:50 <rdococ> of course you can't compare an ordinal to a cardinal
00:32:11 <int-e> rdococ: you can define cardinals as the smallest ordinal number of a given cardinality
00:32:18 <int-e> and then you can compare cardinals
00:32:24 <oerjan> assuming axiom of choice bla bla
00:32:25 <int-e> that's assuming the axiom of choice
00:32:51 * int-e throws oerjan into a time delay loop
00:33:00 <oerjan> i still don't think π is a legal index for epsilons.
00:33:33 <int-e> oerjan: I know, I know.
00:33:35 <oerjan> i thought the indices were themselves ordinals.
00:33:51 <int-e> Of course given that pi is 3 or 4...
00:34:03 <rdococ> ε_π = sup{ε_π-1, w^(ε_π-1), w^(w^(ε_π-1))...}
00:34:12 <int-e> (depending on which law you take as its definition)
00:34:34 <rdococ> ε_π-1 = sup{ε_π-2, w^(ε_π-2), w^(w^(ε_π-2))...}
00:35:11 <rdococ> wait I'm mixing things up
00:35:47 <int-e> the trick is to blend them together in a coherent way, and then you may have a worthy wisdom entry.
00:35:53 <oerjan> . o O ( perhaps you could do something by treating π as surreal )
00:36:18 <HackEgo> unless essential for the entry's humor, they should: be understandable without the separate key, be single spaced with no space at the end, and use proper capitalization and punctuation
00:36:19 <int-e> most surreal numbers aren't ordinals either
00:37:03 <int-e> oerjan: "proper capitalization and punctuation"
00:37:19 <HackEgo> File: `bin/slwd' \ Size: 53 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 1024 regular file \ Device: 12h/18dInode: 671133 Links: 1 \ Access: (0755/-rwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) Gid: ( 0/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2016-12-31 19:15:31.000000000 +0000 \ Modify: 2016-11-01 05:40:51.000000000 +0000 \ Change: 2016-11-01 05:40:51.000000000 +0000
00:37:22 <oerjan> int-e: i'm just thinking maybe you can interpolate somehow
00:37:57 <int-e> oh, hmm. I don't know. I don't want to think about it. I like my remaining bits of sanity.
00:38:29 <int-e> . o O ( `slwd rules of wisdom//s/itali/ITALI/ <-- not worthwhile )
00:38:32 <oerjan> int-e: everything in that wisdom is essential for its humor hth
00:39:31 <int-e> oerjan: Anyway I was wincing because the entry violates most of its own rules. I can see how this might be construed as being funny but it's nevertheless painful.
00:39:33 <oerjan> int-e: oh. i tried something like that and shachaf thought it was overdoing it.
00:39:59 <oerjan> int-e: i don't think it's missing any...
00:40:07 <int-e> I hope there's no color in that entry
00:41:03 <int-e> oerjan: I think it is understandable without a separate key
00:41:23 <int-e> oerjan: depends on what one means by "separate"
00:42:13 <int-e> `grwp overthinking
00:42:15 <HackEgo> gamemanj:gamemanj is also the mad scientist I. N. Here. He will overthink everything, except whether overthinking is wrong. \ Binary file reflection matches
00:42:35 <oerjan> `slwd rules of wisdom//s/separate/lookup/
00:42:38 <HackEgo> rules of wisdom//unless essential for the entry's humor, they should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced with no space at the end, and use proper capitalization and punctuation
00:42:57 <int-e> yeah, that's better
00:43:56 <int-e> . o O ( proper grammer )
00:44:03 <HackEgo> gamemanj:gamemanj is also the mad scientist I. N. Here. He will overthink everything, except whether overthinking is wrong. \ Binary file reflection matches
00:44:15 <HackEgo> 1286) <int-e> I couldn't help thinking that maybe if one considers the ramifications in full detail it will turn out that overthinking is often not helpful and therefore, not something to be proud of.
00:47:25 <oerjan> i think i can fit grammar in there
00:47:36 <oerjan> but it may be too painful
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00:51:38 <oerjan> . o O ( `learn Pain is what your feeling now. )
00:52:19 <int-e> `wElCoMe whatupbishes
00:52:23 <HackEgo> wHaTuPbIsHeS: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: <HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/>. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN EfNeT Or dAlNeT.)
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01:10:03 <oerjan> <rdococ> just let your abbreviation be hppa <-- . o O ( if you're hppa and you know it, clap your hands! )
01:10:29 <oerjan> stupid control characters not showing in the logs
01:26:12 <int-e> > group $ map sort ["old account", "coconut lad"]
01:28:02 <boily> is there a pointless way to zip a list with itself, but one element dropped? e.g. "zip f [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] [2, 3, 4, 5]"
01:28:26 <lambdabot> quicksilver says: zip`ap`tail the aztec god of consecutive numbers
01:29:39 <lambdabot> Monad m => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
01:29:45 <oerjan> although these days <*> is more popular than ap, i think.
01:30:04 <boily> <*> is intuitiver than ap.
01:31:50 <boily> > zip <*> tail $ [1..5]
01:53:25 <FireFly> zip`ap`tail reads better though
02:20:41 <HackEgo> [U+2363 APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL STAR DIAERESIS]
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02:29:55 <HackEgo> cccp//CCCP is a misspelling of СССР.
02:31:26 <HackEgo> hyperbolic group//Hyperbolic groups are the best groups there are, they're totally awesome and cure cancer.
02:58:35 <int-e> funny, this font distinguishes between P and Р.
02:59:01 <int-e> (but C and С look the same)
03:00:47 <zzo38> Same here; I am using the standard "fixed" font, which does the same thing
03:00:53 <int-e> oerjan: funny thing is, if I'm looking for the S combinator, I'll end up with ap.
03:01:08 <int-e> zzo38: maybe because it's the same font.
03:02:49 <zzo38> Yes, maybe it is same font. (But it is also possible that some other font might do that too, and some might not)
03:06:44 <HackEgo> violation//Violation is the act of playing an instrument in the viola family.
03:07:02 <int-e> hmm, slightly tricky to find the resource. *VT100.utf8Fonts.font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1
03:07:52 <int-e> (appres, why have I never used appres before)
03:11:16 <int-e> And I also learned about steamcmd which can download windows steam apps under linux without involving wine.
03:12:15 <int-e> (steam in wine in vnc stopped working for me a while ago... only works with a normal X server, and I have no clue why)
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03:13:28 <int-e> (Where "stopped working" means it never gets past the "Connecting to steam account $account" popup.)
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03:24:34 <\oren\> isn't the storting the name of the norwegian parliament?
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04:43:52 <ais523> anyone know what's up with CALESYTA?
04:54:05 <zzo38> I don't know what is
04:55:11 <ais523> well, I know what CALESYTA was (it was an esolang design contest)
04:55:28 <ais523> but the results weren't released on the stated date and the website seems to have broken
04:57:40 <zzo38> I know what it is too, but I know what the results is either
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08:44:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Category:2017]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50615 * Zzo38 * (+11) Category for the new year
08:44:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Template:Yearcats]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50616&oldid=46083 * Zzo38 * (+26) 2017
08:53:32 <rdococ> someone should have made 2016
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09:16:58 <b_jonas> ais523: whoa, and now their homepage ("http://calesyta.xyz") has disappeared. It was still there yesterday.
09:17:48 <b_jonas> I thought they'd be just a year late with the results to follow IOCCC tradition or something. I didn't think they'd actually disappear.
09:18:05 <b_jonas> Hopefully the homepage will come back and it's just a temporary hitch.
09:18:09 <b_jonas> Has anyone written them email?
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15:37:52 <lambdabot> CYUL 021500Z 12003KT 15SM FEW120 SCT180 BKN220 M02/M05 A3051 RMK AC1AC3CI1 SLP335
15:38:03 <int-e> oerjan: seems your guess was right (GG)
15:38:33 <int-e> (or a twin? hmmmmmm)
15:39:14 <int-e> No story of intrigue is complete without a twin nobody knew about.
15:39:16 <oerjan> well it was zola who got infused with the other's memories...
15:39:45 <boily> int-ello, hellørjan. what's the conjecture now?
15:40:31 <int-e> just the identity of the "Queen of the Dawn"
15:40:31 <oerjan> and those lanterns look disturbingly the same spherical shape as the tiny wasp engines...
15:40:54 <int-e> Yes, time to bring out the fly swatters.
15:41:54 <int-e> . o O ( ------### is a special swatter made for reaching high places )
15:42:12 <oerjan> otoh can zola really have the spark-infesting kind? this _is_ an aristocratic party after all.
15:42:48 <int-e> One may be enough?
15:43:03 <b_jonas> what's this? is the new season of the Game of Thrones tv show on already?
15:43:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50617&oldid=50608 * Meficat * (+149)
15:43:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Cheers]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50618 * Meficat * (+7436) Created page with "'''Cheers''' is an esoteric programming language aimed at beverage-oriented programming. Partially inspired by [[INTERCAL]] and [[Chef]]. ==Statements== A Cheers program con..."
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15:45:41 <int-e> Ah, xkcd delivered.
15:46:52 <oerjan> the thing that makes me wonder if she _does_ have one infecting sparks is how she has apparently got the support of many nations and yet it's not common knowledge that she's got them ... which implies she _must_ have the support of all the spark rulers...
15:48:04 <int-e> I'd get some popcorn
15:48:24 <int-e> but this is going to take at least a week to fully unfold.
15:49:27 <oerjan> i wonder if agatha will appear in time for her wasp eater to make a noise about it
15:49:42 <Taneb> Or just too late and gets blamed for everything?
15:51:32 <int-e> oerjan: Btw, is it clear whether she's reversed Martellus' job on her body chemistry?
15:51:52 <int-e> (IOW, does she still need that wasp eater just to survive?)
15:52:38 <int-e> I know it's been around. But it's been a while... though I guess she was always quite busy with other things.
15:53:30 <oerjan> before she dictated the book, she did tell she needed it, although not why.
15:53:46 <oerjan> and that was only a couple days ago in story time.
15:55:20 <oerjan> more than a year in realtime :P
15:55:53 <oerjan> ok maybe not in those words http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20151014
16:08:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Bax3n * New user account
16:19:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50619&oldid=50617 * Bax3n * (+48)
16:20:06 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50620&oldid=50619 * Bax3n * (+4)
16:20:50 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Д]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50621 * Bax3n * (+209) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Д |author=User:Bax3n |year=2016 |link=http://xn--d1a.tk/ |files=<code>.de</code> <code>.d</code> }} Д (also written as д) is an esolang created in..."
16:21:29 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Д]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50622&oldid=50621 * Bax3n * (+4)
16:23:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Д]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50623&oldid=50622 * Bax3n * (+119)
16:25:12 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Д]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50624&oldid=50623 * Bax3n * (+82)
16:26:33 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50625&oldid=50578 * Bax3n * (+9)
16:28:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Bax3n]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50626 * Bax3n * (+51) Created page with "My name is Eric * Site : [http://bax3n.tk bax3n.tk]"
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16:40:25 <myname> what,kind of language is that supposed to be
16:41:17 <boily> that's not even not being a language...
16:41:19 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Д]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50627&oldid=50624 * Bax3n * (+190)
16:41:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Д]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50628&oldid=50627 * Bax3n * (+1)
16:42:10 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Д]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50629&oldid=50628 * Bax3n * (+40)
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17:52:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Blablafuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50634 * Ivancr72 * (+1251) Make page.
17:53:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Ivancr72]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50635&oldid=50605 * Ivancr72 * (-24)
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17:54:40 <LKoen> "Blablafuck is an esoteric language based on Extended Brainfuck"
17:54:46 <LKoen> noooooooooooooooooooo
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17:55:55 <rdococ> NOT ANOTHER DERIVATIVE
17:56:20 <rdococ> maybe I should try and make a derivative to start instead of trying to come up with a good idea
17:57:52 <int-e> rdococ: You could write a paper, "the next 256!/248! * (1-\epsilon) brainfuck derivatives."
17:59:09 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50636&oldid=50625 * Ivancr72 * (+17) added blablafuck
17:59:32 <int-e> (bonus points for identifying more degrees of freedom)
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18:00:44 <rdococ> I could try and pull a Scheme-x
18:01:56 <rdococ> Brainfuck-1 would have a function to determine if Brainfuck-0 functions halt.
18:02:18 <rdococ> Brainfuck-x would be able to determine if a Brainfuck-(0 to x) halts or not.
18:04:54 <int-e> {.1.|.2.} <-- execute .2. as long as .1. wouldn't halt on the current tape
18:06:06 <rdococ> actually doesn't sound bad
18:06:37 <rdococ> what about brainfuck, but working on media other than tape?
18:07:04 <izabera> i have an idea for a hash table and it may be stupid but i don't think i've seen it anywhere
18:07:18 <int-e> hmm, if we think of brainfuck as operating on two stacks... we could make a deque version of brainfuck instead.
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18:07:44 <int-e> anyway, yes, there's potential for brainfuck derivatives, some of which could be quite awkward to work with :)
18:08:28 <int-e> It's a way to implement a tape: one stack holds elements to the left; the other elements to the right of the current cell.
18:09:14 <rdococ> if you remove one stack then it would be FSA, right? like a turing machine that can only move right?
18:09:18 <int-e> (and one of them is initialized with infinitely many zeros, which may cause trouble as a deque)
18:12:04 <LKoen> hum, an automaton with one stack is not equivalent to a finite state machine
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18:13:57 <rdococ> if we reduce the possible values of each cell to 0 or 1, we can replace the + and - with one toggle
18:16:51 <rdococ> and yep, I think it'll still be turing complete
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18:19:59 <zgrep> Though , and . would have to work differently.
18:23:15 <rdococ> would it be possible to create a super turing complete language using the halting oracle and little else?
18:24:56 <rdococ> brainfuck minus, as it's called, already exists
18:25:15 <rdococ> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_minus_-
18:25:54 <rdococ> even (without cell-wrapping!)
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18:39:27 <rdococ> can someone PLEASE describe a transistor in terms that AREN'T MEANT FOR A FIVE YEAR OLD?!
18:41:28 <b_jonas> rdodoc: I can't. transistors are some low level implementation detail in electronics hardware, and I'm a software guy so I don't care about those implementation details.
18:42:03 <rdococ> well, can it be described as a gate?
18:42:51 <rdococ> I'll find out on my own.
18:43:42 <pikhq> A transistor is a device with a "base", "collector", and "emitter" (or "gate", "source" and "drain" for field-effect transistors). The amount of current on the base (or voltage on the gate) controls how much current can flow between the collector and the emitter.
18:44:33 <rdococ> so if there's low current on the base?
18:45:10 <pikhq> Then proportionally low current flows between the collector and the emitter.
18:45:51 <rdococ> how about high current?
18:46:01 <pikhq> Proportionally high current flows.
18:46:29 <pikhq> The exact amounts flowing depend on the transistor and the supply on the collector, but this *overall* behavior is what a transistor does.
18:46:40 <rdococ> so is it basically an AND gate?
18:47:24 <rdococ> or am I misinterpreting high and low current?
18:48:36 <pikhq> What you're missing is that in most systems what happens with gates is there's a constant voltage supply that's always on...
18:48:44 <pikhq> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TransistorANDgate.png So this is the circuit diagram for an AND gate.
18:49:05 <rdococ> I do understand that...
18:49:24 <pikhq> But you are getting a basic grasp for how the thing functions, yes.
18:49:57 <pikhq> If there's input on the base or gate, electricity can flow through the transistor, and if there isn't then it can't.
18:50:22 <pikhq> And that's what people mean when they say it's a "switch".
18:50:52 <rdococ> makes sense... I guess
18:51:08 <rdococ> so I guess that electricity usually comes from the battery?
18:51:31 <pikhq> Battery or power supply, depending on the device.
18:52:26 <rdococ> so do you need to use both N and P type transistors to perform any logical function?
18:53:55 <rdococ> I got a NOR gate with transistor and resistor...
18:53:59 <rdococ> it's beginning to make sense?
18:55:10 <rdococ> I can get a NOR gate to work with P type transistors... not N tho
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19:02:18 <Perenelle> I'm gonna give it to my friend and I find you guys have crazy problems in ur heads
19:12:22 <Phantom_Hoover> how many roads must a man walk down to split the underlying manifold into simply-connected components
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20:05:23 <\oren\> urgh, only 1500 Dv left to ge back to Kerbin from Ike orbit
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20:15:40 <\oren\> ooh, a solution in only 900 Dv!
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20:19:11 <\oren\> https://snag.gy/2ogzNe.jpg Bye, Duna!
20:20:50 <\oren\> I'll be back, with something that can actually land on you
20:37:46 <\oren\> argh. come on, Mun, show me a nice assist trajectory!
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21:10:08 <boily> I should start playing KSP, if only to try lithobraking by myself.
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23:02:34 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA1bNeuny4A
23:11:23 <boily> touhou! in French!
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23:18:01 <\oren\> how can there be so many characters in unicode
23:24:21 <Jafet> there are many characters in the unicode consortium
23:31:45 <Jafet> `addquote <Phantom_Hoover> how many roads must a man walk down to split the underlying manifold into simply-connected components
23:31:50 <HackEgo> 1305) <Phantom_Hoover> how many roads must a man walk down to split the underlying manifold into simply-connected components
23:32:17 <Jafet> only a genus could answer that question
23:38:59 <HackEgo> ꙮ is the official Unicode character of #esoteric.
23:39:20 <boily> Jafet: the answer is five, but I'm not a genius, only a sane man.
23:48:55 <Sgeo> There should be a list for H*R
23:50:52 <boily> Sgello. what's a H*R?
23:51:24 <Taneb> boily, the product of H and R
23:52:04 <shachaf> Got any good maths for me today?
23:52:36 <Taneb> The Zariski topology is pretty rad
23:54:22 <Sgeo> boily, Homestar Runner
23:54:33 <boily> Tanelle. can I bribe you for some not-quite-legal maths?
23:54:41 <Taneb> How do you mean, boily ?
23:54:55 <boily> I wouldn't know, but I like bribing people ^^
23:57:09 <int-e> boily: so basically you're handing out free money?
23:57:54 <shachaf> i can be bribed with limericks twh
23:59:54 <boily> int-e: money is boring bribe material. I prefer treats and snacks.