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01:21:36 <oerjan> tunes won't load :(
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01:30:24 <oerjan> finally
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02:15:02 <oerjan> `wisdom pointless
02:15:15 <HackEgo> That's not wise.
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02:49:29 <oerjan> `? topology
02:49:33 <HackEgo> Topology is another name for topos theory.
03:26:15 <doesthiswork> `? topos
03:26:18 <HackEgo> topos? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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03:37:46 <int-e> so topical
03:38:48 <int-e> snow, who needs snow, what is it good for...
03:38:50 <int-e> `? snow
03:38:51 <HackEgo> Snow is Jesus's dandruffs, and some suspect that he is the son of Rhaegar Targeryan. It turns the sidewalks to white as if someone broke a lot of styrofoam on it.
03:40:10 <int-e> fizzie: HELP! fungot got lost!
03:40:28 <int-e> (lostgot?)
03:40:48 <oerjan> `slwd snow//s/erya/arye/
03:40:53 <HackEgo> snow//Snow is Jesus's dandruffs, and some suspect that he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen. It turns the sidewalks to white as if someone broke a lot of styrofoam on it.
03:41:14 <oerjan> i don't even watch it, and still i saw it was wrong. sheesh people...
03:41:51 <int-e> I don't remember names
03:42:05 <oerjan> `cwlprits snow
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03:42:16 <HackEgo> oerjän b_jonäs b_jonäs
03:42:54 <int-e> For example, the Sturmvoraus family was "Sturmv???" to me until I realized that the v??? parts is also a german word.
03:43:04 <int-e> s/parts/part/
03:43:04 <oerjan> heh
03:44:01 * oerjan notes that we haven't got grandmas last name. or first, iirc.
03:46:43 <int-e> Oh another addition to the Internet of blank pages (aka Web 3.0?) https://www.speakdotdot.com/ ... will wait for the wikipedia page. ("On Tuesday, ZigBee announced Dotdot, which it calls a universal language for IoT.")
03:47:19 <oerjan> another thing i noted: during beausoleil's betrayal rant he mentioned that van rijn "could transfer life from flesh to machine, and _back again_"
03:47:47 <int-e> hmm beausoleil
03:48:06 <oerjan> which sounds a lot like what we saw demonstrated in lucre[tz]ia's lab
03:48:07 <int-e> (thanks wiki)
03:48:21 <int-e> the Count ;-)
03:48:22 <oerjan> (see, even i don't remember _all_ the names)
03:48:46 <oerjan> oh he was a count?
03:48:56 <int-e> was?
03:49:02 <oerjan> *is
03:49:19 <int-e> I'm sure you've found http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Drusus_Beausoleil by now.
03:49:25 <oerjan> anyway, i suspect the other may have stolen his devices. and possibly those of many other sparks.
03:49:33 <oerjan> i'm not that fast.
03:50:00 <oerjan> especially when typing at the same time with lag
03:51:45 <int-e> So can minds be duplicated?
03:53:04 <oerjan> ...that was also demonstrated.
03:53:24 <int-e> (Hmm, an army of identical clones... let's have another look at those dancers?)
03:53:35 <oerjan> that's how zola got access to the other's memories.
03:54:05 <int-e> semi-rhetorical question
03:54:45 <int-e> nah, the dancers show signs of individuality
03:54:53 <oerjan> lucrezia _intended_ to just overwrite her mind, but zola claimed that would destroy her too.
03:55:10 <int-e> (skin color, mostly, because we've not really seen them up close)
03:56:28 <int-e> Zola also said something about research and preparation at the time, mmm. No, I'm not going to re-read it all just for that.
03:59:45 <oerjan> they'd got information from the treasonous geisterdame.
03:59:51 <int-e> Actually the Count with the many clanks also has potential for a twist: Maybe the real human one perished a long time ago.
04:00:13 <oerjan> i thought of that too
04:00:48 <oerjan> there might not be a "real" one
04:01:35 <oerjan> which might be why he's so interested in rijn's ability to transfer _back again_
04:02:43 <oerjan> also, since lucrezia has this technology, that makes it likely it's her people he's working for (although that was likely anyway)
04:03:25 <oerjan> (or zola's. i wonder if the anevka version is also around...)
04:04:00 <oerjan> i have this hunch that anevka would be suspicious of zola's current behavior...
04:04:19 <oerjan> (since lucrezia might not do things that way)
04:04:47 <oerjan> *lunevka, is the wiki term
04:06:56 <oerjan> although, gil's observation that there doesn't seem to be any "new" other technology might imply that only zola is around... presumably lucrezia cannot invent things while her mind is imprisoned.
04:07:06 <oerjan> *the other
04:07:12 <int-e> but wasn't lunevka playing nurse in mechanicsburg...
04:07:19 <oerjan> yes, they met.
04:07:30 <oerjan> but it's not a given they both got away...
04:07:54 <int-e> I'd expect Lunevka to stick around Klaus
04:08:07 <int-e> which means she ought to be stuck.
04:08:17 <oerjan> that's true. and the hospital was attacked, i recall.
04:08:20 <oerjan> no.
04:08:48 <int-e> but oh, he landed, right?
04:08:51 <oerjan> klaus left for wulfenbach castle. then he came back alone.
04:09:08 <int-e> so it's all unclear, fog of war
04:09:33 <oerjan> i'm pretty sure we haven't seen lunevka since the hospital.
04:10:37 <oerjan> otoh if my theory that the other stole much of her technology by using time travel is right, then she may simply be cut off from new inventions at the moment.
04:11:09 <oerjan> if she wasn't _really_ that brilliant herself.
04:12:20 <oerjan> although we don't know how lucrezia got set up as the other in the first place.
04:12:21 <int-e> so... any bets whether GG will end this year? :P
04:12:29 <oerjan> heh
04:12:51 <oerjan> i didn't have that feeling.
04:13:45 <oerjan> i vaguely recall there being some kind of old estimate for how long the story would take, but they'll probably always be tempted to add something more.
04:14:30 <int-e> Well, on the one hand there's a big convergence happening.
04:14:40 <int-e> On the other hand we still have to get to the time traveling part.
04:14:45 <int-e> I just don't know :)
04:15:06 <oerjan> i'm assuming they have to get to the geisterdamen world.
04:15:21 <oerjan> where the devices are.
04:15:34 <int-e> (And they might want to get Mechanicsburg out of the time bubble, too, lest those transdimensional whatever creatures take over.)
04:15:39 <oerjan> (and the architecture looked alien)
04:16:07 <oerjan> yeah. maybe the dreen will help against the big one.
04:16:50 <oerjan> but who knows how such a species thinks, they may consider everything inevitable anyway.
04:17:38 <int-e> So I guess it's more than a year still.
04:18:34 <oerjan> i'm wondering if they'll end up finding the real Storm King's abducted Heterodyne lady
04:18:55 <oerjan> or at least find out what _really_ happened to her.
04:19:02 <int-e> And I suppose you're right that the Foglios can go on for as long as they want... they have a whole world to explore. We could go on a journey to find Zeetha's island, for example.
04:19:15 <int-e> Just to fill some time :-P
04:19:42 <oerjan> hm i don't remember it being said to be an island.
04:19:46 <int-e> (though hopefully not right now)
04:19:50 <int-e> I'm assuming
04:19:52 <oerjan> or not.
04:20:02 <oerjan> i was more assuming some deep jungle thing
04:20:32 <int-e> I'm picturing one of the carribean islands from Monkey Island ;-)
04:20:35 <oerjan> or mountain, like shangri-la
04:21:19 <int-e> But you have probably given it more thought than I have.
04:21:39 <oerjan> maybe a bit
04:22:33 <oerjan> right now, i'm hoping agatha's clown clank shows up wiping out most of the geisterdamen, ruining zola's plan :)
04:24:12 <hppavilion2> `unidecode ϕ
04:24:13 <HackEgo> ​[U+03D5 GREEK PHI SYMBOL]
04:25:04 <hppavilion2> `unidecode ϕ
04:25:06 <HackEgo> ​[U+03D5 GREEK PHI SYMBOL]
04:25:07 <hppavilion2> ...huh.
04:27:25 <int-e> `unidecode ⱷ
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04:31:16 <hppavilion2> `unidecode 𝛿
04:34:39 <fizzie> Ooh, a long time since that last happened.
04:34:59 <fizzie> RAW >>> :wolfe.freenode.net NOTICE fungot :Server Terminating. e <<<
04:35:09 <fizzie> Well, that's fair.
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04:36:29 <int-e> fungot: buddy!
04:36:30 <fungot> int-e: sarahbot do you watch diggnation? ummm " work"? what do you teach?
04:36:40 <int-e> ^style
04:36:40 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
04:36:47 <int-e> "diggnation"?!
04:37:55 <FreeFull> ^style nethack
04:37:55 <fungot> Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal)
04:38:01 <FreeFull> fungot: I love pie
04:38:01 <fungot> FreeFull: it is said to have assumed mortal form and inhabited the dungeon anymore, nyuk nyuk.
04:38:20 <FreeFull> I wonder what irc* is
04:38:29 <int-e> * indicates the current style
04:38:47 <int-e> you knew that, right...
04:40:56 <int-e> Snow plowing is great, but doing it at 5:40 in the morning on a Sunday seems a bit extreme.
04:42:05 <int-e> (there's some company doing this stuff in front of the house I'm living in; this isn't even a public street)
04:42:57 <tswett> `cat emoticons/shrug2
04:42:58 <HackEgo> ​¯\_(ツ)_/¯
04:43:35 <int-e> Wait, ransomware on smart TVs... somehow I didn't see it coming.
04:46:41 <FreeFull> I don't use fungot often
04:46:41 <fungot> FreeFull: they say that a cave spider will occasionally eat cave spider eggs. xander: i observed here, i read you for warmth as you try to wear anything in particular made their dresses tightly round the eyes of the jug, whom fafhrd chose to serve, was called charon. the thick black hair, escaping as it could be made to shrink in size and power and authority. ' saruman!' said gandalf. with his master was to return from work hac
04:46:58 <int-e> (Despite a lengthy sequence of jokes about ransomware for cars from 33c3's "security nightmares".)
04:47:23 <int-e> `quote indign
04:47:24 <HackEgo> No output.
04:47:30 <FreeFull> Did you hear about the TV ransomware? =P
04:48:49 <int-e> https://consumerist.com/2017/01/06/ransomware-spreading-onto-smart-tvs-is-a-pain-to-fix/
04:49:39 <int-e> I find it funny that the ransomware asks for $500 and support asks for $340... clearly there's some room for optimization on the ransomware side.
04:50:08 <int-e> (though perhaps they added a convenience fee because the $340 is for bring in service)
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05:32:02 <\oren\> solution, don't buy a smart tv
05:32:13 <\oren\> buy a dumb one
05:32:58 <\oren\> or just don't connect your tv to the internet
05:32:59 <pikhq> Problem: find one.
05:36:55 <\oren\> buy a large computer monitor
05:37:12 <pikhq> What am I, made of money?
05:37:52 <pikhq> The invisible hand hath decided thou shalt only have cheap displays that have even cheaper ARM SOCs with firmware written by monkeys in them!
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05:46:11 <\oren\> well my new tv is dumb and it is working good https://snag.gy/ABmXzo.jpg
05:48:04 <pikhq> For definitions of "good" that include display 4:3 at 16:9.
05:48:24 <\oren\> oh whoops I didn;t notice that
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05:50:51 <\oren\> maybe that explains why I can't even beat world 1
05:55:48 <\oren\> well I fixed the aspect ratio https://snag.gy/Sza5wv.jpg
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06:24:41 <\oren\> BJJJB
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07:35:06 <izabera> http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/106066/14676 \o/ just finished this
07:52:33 <FreeFull> That problem is unfairly easy with brainfuck =P
08:00:31 <izabera> `` x=0; echo $((++x))$((x+x+x+++x**x))$x
08:00:40 <HackEgo> 172
08:00:42 <izabera> find a shorter way to write 172
08:04:25 <izabera> `` x=0; echo $((++x))$((x+++++x+x--))$x
08:04:30 <HackEgo> 172
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10:29:20 <myname> `` echo 172
10:29:25 <HackEgo> 172
10:29:25 <myname> tgere you go
10:37:23 <rdococ> boron
10:37:40 <rdococ> the boredom carrying particle
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11:32:15 <wob_jonas> Hi. Can you guys load the channel logs from tunes.org ?
11:32:47 <wob_jonas> Aww, even isup.me can't load them
11:32:51 <wob_jonas> This sucks.
11:32:52 <shachaf> I had some trouble getting logs from tunes.org a few hours ago.
11:33:02 <wob_jonas> `ping
11:33:16 <HackEgo> pong
11:33:27 <wob_jonas> But HackEgo is up. Strange.
11:34:04 <shachaf> ?
11:34:10 <shachaf> HackEgo has nothing to do with tunes.org
11:34:19 <wob_jonas> Now I can't review the logs to measure how hype this channel is for AGDQ starting in a few hours.
11:34:39 <wob_jonas> Really? I thought they were connected. Ok.
11:35:03 <wob_jonas> I mean, both of them are sort of in mostly abandonned autopilot state (just like my bot, which is over ten years old by the way).
11:36:04 <shachaf> tunes.org logs come from clog, which isn't #esoteric-specific.
11:36:21 <shachaf> I don't know whether it's abandoned.
11:39:51 <wob_jonas> shachaf: HackEgo isn't necessarily #esoteric-specific either. I can privmsg it, and it might even be joined to other channels I don't know about.
11:40:40 <wob_jonas> But even if it's esoteric-specific, I don't see that being an obstable.
11:40:57 <wob_jonas> You can make a bot on one channel and logs for five channels you're interested about,.
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11:42:06 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Symbolic Python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50703&oldid=50702 * FTcode * (+39)
11:43:30 <shachaf> I don't know where clog/tunes.org came from, but they also log much bigger channels like #haskell
11:43:52 <wob_jonas> No way. The haskell logs are somewhere else.
11:44:01 <wob_jonas> I downloaded them once.
11:44:05 <wob_jonas> For like years.
11:45:37 <wob_jonas> Um, as in, I downloaded years' worth of logs once, really an overkill, I just wanted to search for some particular discussion.
12:00:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Symbolic Python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50704&oldid=50703 * FTcode * (-196)
12:01:37 <wob_jonas> Meanwhile, the calesyta webpage also seems to be down.
12:01:40 <wob_jonas> Still.
12:01:57 <wob_jonas> It went down around like 2017-01-01 iirc.
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12:07:42 <wob_jonas> So, on a scale of meh to best week ever, how hype is this channel about AGDQ 2016, which will start in a few hours?
12:14:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Symbolic Python]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50705&oldid=50704 * FTcode * (+124)
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12:36:25 <rdococ> yay
12:36:56 <rdococ> hoily grjeentasing
12:42:41 <rdococ> I coooould have classes and function overloading to simulate first class & higher order functions
12:43:35 <rdococ> but would that allow creation of them on the fly?
12:43:41 <rdococ> could also use currying to do the trick
12:55:28 <rdococ> boron
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13:08:45 <rdococ> heelooywo
13:09:08 <rdococ> heelooywo hoolootwo
13:17:57 * rdococ is BORON
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13:39:07 <rdococ> oh my god someone talk
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15:36:58 <sdhand> rdococ: no
15:42:45 <rdococ> too late
15:42:47 <rdococ> you talked
15:46:10 <boily> sdhellond, rdochelloc.
15:47:41 <sdhand> boihelloy
15:49:25 <rdococ> hoily and sdhello.
15:51:23 <rdococ> rdococIsLonely = λa.λb.b
15:51:57 <rdococ> please make sure rdococIsLonely = λa.λb.b...
15:52:09 * rdococ doesn't want rdococIsLonely = λa.λb.a
15:53:57 <sdhand> sdhand is bored
15:54:02 <sdhand> and doesn't know lambda calculus
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15:58:33 <rdococ> true = λa.λb.a
15:58:38 <rdococ> false = λa.λb.b
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16:22:17 <boily> sdhand: you should eat a phở. it is good.
16:23:00 <sdhand> what is that last character of phở
16:23:25 <zgrep> `unicode ở
16:23:49 <HackEgo> U+1EDF LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH HORN AND HOOK ABOVE \ UTF-8: e1 bb 9f UTF-16BE: 1edf Decimal: &#7903; \ ở (Ở) \ Uppercase: U+1EDE \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ Decomposition: 01A1 0309
16:23:57 <zgrep> That's... fast...
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16:28:13 <boily> zgr... ello... p... HackEgo... has... its... own... spa... cetime... ref... ere... ntial...
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16:30:44 <oerjan> fternoily. it just likes to keep us on our toes
16:31:39 <boily> boerjan matin. my toes are being kept on indeed.
16:35:48 <boily> speaking of phở...
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16:58:44 <oerjan> <wob_jonas> Hi. Can you guys load the channel logs from tunes.org ? <-- YEP
16:58:52 <oerjan> (it was slow though)
17:03:20 -!- oerjan has set topic: The international hub for Esoteric Programming | http://esolangs.org/ | RIP Carrie Fisher. She will be missed. | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah.
17:05:52 <oerjan> `? boron
17:06:02 <HackEgo> boron? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
17:06:55 <oerjan> `learn Boron is the element of boredom. Stars hate boredom, so refuse to make it.
17:07:06 <HackEgo> Learned 'boron': Boron is the element of boredom. Stars hate boredom, so refuse to make it.
17:09:12 <oerjan> `slwd boron//s/is/(B) is/
17:09:44 <HackEgo> boron//Boron (B) is the element of boredom. Stars hate boredom, so refuse to make it.
17:15:41 * oerjan out of nutella balls
17:33:42 <rdococ> Boron, however, can be created by fusing Capitalism (Capitalism) particles.
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17:35:46 <oerjan> (Capitalism) is too long to be the symbol.
17:36:14 <oerjan> try (Ev) or something.
17:38:19 <izabera> "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Deport him and you do not have to feed him again." -- Trump 20:16
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18:07:22 <rdococ> Capitalism thinks it's so important it gave itself a long symbol.
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18:18:13 <zgrep> izabera: :D
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19:06:03 <rdococ> hppavilion1: bored(rdococ) is equivalent to λa.λb.a... help
19:07:32 <hppavilion1> rdococ: Learn ρ-calculus hth
19:07:44 <doesthiswork> I was reading bash and I just found a quote from this channel
19:08:18 <doesthiswork> "how do i rotate the cube?"
19:09:13 <boily> doesthelloswork. we have quotes on bash?
19:09:39 <izabera> honestly you're not even trying anymore
19:10:25 <doesthiswork> "<boily> you click in the emptiness and drag."
19:10:42 <doesthiswork> <quintopia> boily: this sounds like a philosophy of life
19:11:09 <boily> izabellora. ?
19:12:04 <boily> doesthiswork: it's on qdb.us but not bash.org.
19:12:20 <doesthiswork> woops, I got lost
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19:54:02 <Zarutian> izabera: isnt he going to deport 'third generation immigrants' too? If so then he has to deport himself.
19:54:23 <rdococ> heh
19:54:40 <rdococ> wait, is he?
19:55:57 <pikhq> I only recall him saying he'd deport illegal immigrants.
19:56:09 <pikhq> ... His wife was an illegal immigrant.
19:56:35 <zzo38> Someone told me that he predicted that Trump will quit.
19:57:31 <zzo38> By time we would see.
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20:14:11 <\oren\> https://snag.gy/y3wAHK.jpg
20:20:21 <zzo38> Doesn't display
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20:36:06 <int-e> https://i.snag.gy/y3wAHK.jpg maybe
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20:44:10 <zzo38> That one works
20:54:32 <DHeadshot> \oren\: You're saying KSP works on Windows 98? Steam barely works on XP!
20:55:14 <pikhq> At one point in time Steam probably did support Windows 98.
20:55:18 <pikhq> Steam is pretty dang old.
20:55:30 <int-e> XP can be configured to use that window layout
20:55:36 <int-e> or decoration
20:55:50 <pikhq> Windows *10* can be configured to look like that, even.
20:56:09 <DHeadshot> int-e: It's not quite the same - you can tell...
20:56:14 <int-e> probably, but XP made it easy (no additional installations)
20:56:22 <int-e> No I can't :P
20:56:54 <DHeadshot> int-e: look at the icons on the right
20:57:22 <int-e> I did. Your point?
20:59:28 <int-e> I know it's not the standard look of XP, but it's quite easy to get XP to look like that, at least closely enough that I can't tell the difference.
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21:05:26 <int-e> finally, a screenshot: http://www.computermuseum.co/Windows/XP/img/Windows-Classic.png
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23:12:12 <boily> `wisdom
23:12:25 <HackEgo> matrix//A matrix is just a matrix. Taneb invented them.
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23:13:36 <FireFly> `? slwd
23:13:39 <HackEgo> ​`slwd <wisdom name>//<sed script>
23:14:03 <FireFly> `slwd matrix//s/Taneb/People use them to communicate. &/
23:14:06 <HackEgo> matrix//A matrix is just a matrix. People use them to communicate. Taneb invented them.
23:27:55 <boily> `wisdom
23:27:59 <HackEgo> tachyon//The tachyon is rude and has no style, but gets away with it because of its speed. Taneb will invent it if he ever catches up.
23:28:10 <boily> `? feather
23:28:12 <HackEgo> A feather is something that can be found on most birds. It is responsible for their ability to not spontaneously float, seeing as how feathers are made of osmium. Penguins and ostriches have more feathers than most other birds, many of which are internal.
23:30:33 <boily> I wouldn't mind cuddly floating penguins that you could *bop*
23:51:47 <tswett> So here's an important philosophical question.
23:51:54 <tswett> Which weeks are "even weeks" and which weeks are "odd weeks"?
23:53:47 <tswett> January 1, 1601 was a Monday. So was January 1, 2001.
23:55:09 <tswett> In the proleptic Gregorian calendar, January 1 1201, January 1 801, January 1 401, and January 1 1 were all Mondays as well.
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