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00:07:12 <fizzie> There's a place that serves "Real California Burritos" downstairs at street level at the office.
00:07:22 <fizzie> One of the http://www.tortilla.co.uk/ chain.
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00:08:07 <boily> apparently authentic mexican burritos only have a single filling, or two fillings. boring.
00:09:52 <boily> fizzie: huh. it's about the same price as http://burritorevolucion.ca/
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00:18:41 <boily> hellørjan. what's your stance on para-authentic cuisine?
00:19:47 <oerjan> utter confusion hth
00:23:47 <oerjan> @messages-clopd
00:23:47 <lambdabot> int-e said 9h 46m 14s ago: the funny thing is that I'm rather immune to this game. I tried QWOP but all I managed is to get off my feet. So I watched a youtube video of a speed run (and that's not
00:23:47 <lambdabot> even a pun!) and gave up.
00:23:47 <lambdabot> int-e said 9h 45m 28s ago: (CLOP came up as a related video)
00:31:54 <oerjan> hm apparently if i try with just Q and O i end up going backwards
00:32:05 <oerjan> (hily)
00:36:08 <oerjan> `? coffee
00:36:12 <HackEgo> Coffee is a strange brew. Enticing wisps of vapour catch the eye, the sould ensnared into dark vortices of flavour. Some minds mix in milk and sugar to counteract coffee's black magic.
00:36:23 <oerjan> boily: is that typo intentional
00:37:31 <oerjan> also, does it count if you use a sugar cube, but only to dip it in briefly?
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00:41:02 <oerjan> `? tea
00:41:03 <HackEgo> Tea is concentrated fuel made by distillating occult herbs in a silver alambic. Americans attempted to reduce its potency by dumping some in the Ocean.
00:41:15 <oerjan> `grwp tea//s,at,,
00:41:20 <oerjan> oops
00:41:24 <HackEgo> Binary file reflection matches
00:41:31 <oerjan> oh
00:41:50 <oerjan> `slwd tea//s,lat,l,
00:41:53 <HackEgo> tea//Tea is concentrated fuel made by distilling occult herbs in a silver alambic. Americans attempted to reduce its potency by dumping some in the Ocean.
00:44:40 <oerjan> `slwd mate//s,é,e,g
00:44:42 <HackEgo> mate//Mate is a southern hemisphere shamanist beverage that opens your inner self to the Sacred World. Its enlightened users become friendly, wishing “G'day, mate!” to one another.
00:46:44 <oerjan> @tell int-e i must have overdosed, now when i try to play QWOP my real legs start hurting.
00:46:45 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
00:46:48 <boily> rehellørjan. which typo?
00:46:54 <oerjan> "sould" hth
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00:47:30 <boily> `slwd coffee//s/sould/soul/
00:47:33 <HackEgo> coffee//Coffee is a strange brew. Enticing wisps of vapour catch the eye, the soul ensnared into dark vortices of flavour. Some minds mix in milk and sugar to counteract coffee's black magic.
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00:50:28 <oerjan> `unicode В
00:50:37 <HackEgo> U+0412 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER VE \ UTF-8: d0 92 UTF-16BE: 0412 Decimal: &#1042; \ В (в) \ Lowercase: U+0432 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
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01:10:17 <oerjan> gsora_: *cough*
01:10:35 <boily> `wisdom
01:10:37 <HackEgo> title//Titles J. K. Rowling had specifically denied on her webpage would be the titles of the sixth or seventh Harry Potter book are: Harry Potter and the{ Green Flame Torch, Mountain of Fantasy, Fortress of Shadows, Forest of Shadows, Graveyard of Memories, Pyramids of Furmat, Pillar of Storgé, Toenail of Icklibõgg}.
01:11:08 <boily> . o O ( Estonian õ or Portuguese õ? )
01:11:32 <oerjan> i don't think either language looks that way
01:12:48 <boily> fungot: icklibõgg?
01:12:48 <fungot> boily: " turing tarpit" seems a problematic category. there are no fnord that substitutes every occurence of so-and-so to see where it went, they got some worried parents to back it
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01:16:11 <boily> `wisdom
01:16:13 <HackEgo> atwp//According to Wikipedia, ATWP means nothing.
01:16:20 <boily> `wisdom
01:16:21 <HackEgo> hyperbolic group//Hyperbolic groups are the best groups there are, they're totally awesome and cure cancer.
01:16:38 <boily> `wisdom
01:16:39 <HackEgo> anana//ananas is the real pineapple.
01:17:09 <boily> but anchovies are better.
01:17:11 <boily> `wisdom
01:17:13 <HackEgo> god's number//God's number is the maximum number of moves a Rubik's cube can require to solve. It is equal to 20. No, really. Look it up.
01:27:26 <shachaf> i just did look it up
01:27:31 <shachaf> that's what the wisdom entry is for
01:27:33 <shachaf> looking things up
01:27:39 <shachaf> the dogs now howl
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01:51:39 <boily> `wisdom
01:52:07 <boily> ...
01:52:07 <HackEgo> lens//A lens is just a store comonad coalgebra.
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03:10:26 <zzo38> I looked it up in Wikipedia, yes it says God's number is not less than twenty and is not more than twenty, therefore it is equal to twenty.
03:12:11 <shachaf> either that or it's a complex number hth
03:12:48 <pikhq> 20 can be expressed in the form a+bi where a and b are reals HTH.
03:13:04 <zzo38> Yes if b is zero
03:13:17 <pikhq> b is in the reals.
03:13:20 <pikhq> Erm
03:13:23 <pikhq> 0 is in the reals.
03:13:28 <pikhq> [citation needed]
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03:19:08 <doesthiswork> Do you know about the pussyhat project? People are knitting pink pussyhats for the Women’s March on washington dc.
03:21:24 <doesthiswork> I had a look at one of the hats and it doesn't look at all like I imagined, So yesterday I went to the store and got some fur, pink satin, and tan suede and made myself a more realistic pussyhat/
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03:33:14 <Wolfgang_> Hello hows it going there?
03:33:25 <oerjan> `relcome Wolfgang_
03:33:58 <oerjan> hm
03:34:13 <Wolfgang_> I was wondering how feasible would to be to set up 2 NN to search the internet for works on god then to discuss it
03:34:15 <oerjan> well our bot seems to have died.
03:34:29 <oerjan> Wolfgang_: i think you're in the wrong channel
03:34:41 <pikhq> It'd likely be as cogent as the average Internet ostensible-theologist.
03:34:56 <HackEgo> Wolfgang_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
03:35:01 <pikhq> oerjan: I dunno, having two neural networks talk to each other sounds a bit like an #esoteric thing to do.
03:35:03 <oerjan> that took a while
03:35:16 <oerjan> hm that is true
03:35:42 <Wolfgang_> I think esolangs would be a good place to look becuase its proof of computer conscience in its earliest form
03:36:14 <oerjan> you probably mean consciousness
03:36:31 <shachaf> or do you
03:36:41 <oerjan> i'm still not convinced. except for fungot of course
03:36:41 <fungot> oerjan: it fucking rhymes. russian isn't that fnord the hash
03:37:11 <oerjan> fungot: don't swear to our newbies
03:37:11 <fungot> oerjan: the functionality of breaking the " law" and " wiki" means " why not?
03:37:12 <shachaf> when people say "neural network" do they mean "artificial neural network"
03:37:26 <shachaf> i wish they wouldn't call that thing any sort of neural network
03:37:34 <shachaf> there's nothing neural about it, and it's barely a network
03:38:25 <Wolfgang_> Call what a neural network
03:38:34 <oerjan> they call it a neural network so it won't kill them for insulting it when it takes over the world hth
03:41:45 <Wolfgang_> How does it make you feel that the words we leave here will live longer than our bodies
03:45:53 <oerjan> `wisdom
03:45:56 <HackEgo> dinosaur//Dinosaurs are a diverse group of pre-historic chickens with feathers.
03:46:09 <oerjan> `wisdom
03:46:10 <HackEgo> ladder jump//Ladder jump is the phenomenon that in practically all platformer games where the player character can climb up on ladders, it's faster to repeatedly jump and grab the ladder than to climb.
03:46:18 <oerjan> `wisdom
03:46:20 <HackEgo> phantom__________hoover//OK you got me there.
03:46:22 <oerjan> `wisdom
03:46:24 <HackEgo> the u//The U are a very mad people.
03:46:26 <oerjan> `wisdom
03:46:28 <HackEgo> english channel//If it existed, the English Channel would separate Hexham from Finland.
03:47:39 <oerjan> `? #esoteric
03:47:42 <HackEgo> ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's a 7-codimensional hyperenchilada about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. Currently located in the Atlantis Exclusion Zone.
03:47:57 <oerjan> i guess it cannot exist, then.
03:47:59 <shachaf> `dowg #esoteric
03:48:08 <HackEgo> 9366:2016-10-20 <shachäf> revert \ 9365:2016-10-20 <shachäf> slwd #esoteric//s#hyperenchilada#IRC channel# \ 9318:2016-10-18 <hppavilion[1̈]> slwd #esoteric//s/May contain crude drawings of nuts. // \ 9317:2016-10-18 <hppavilion[1̈]> slwd #esoteric//s/$/ Currently located in the Atlantis Exclusion Zone./ \ 8896:2016-08-03 <oerjän> slwd #eso
03:48:21 <shachaf> what a surprise
04:02:19 <zzo38> What are you thinking about Aquinas's arguments to prove existence of God? I think these arguments are defective. The conclusion contradicts the premise.
04:05:09 <zzo38> Another page also mentions the argument against the existence of God, but that argument is also defective, and at least they admit that! (Even Aquinas found a flaw in it actually, even though his own arguments aren't any better. Why is that?)
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04:19:58 <doesthiswork> What do you think of William James's argument for the existence of God?
04:20:41 <zzo38> What is that argument?
04:21:11 <zzo38> I can't see it in Wikipedia
04:21:30 <zzo38> Nevermind I misspelled his name, now I spelled it correctly
04:21:45 <doesthiswork> His definition of truth is "if it's useful to believe then it is true."
04:22:39 <doesthiswork> and he said that once you believe in god you find it confirmed in a multitude of ways
04:23:04 <zzo38> That proves nothing. However it may be useful even if it is not valid.
04:23:13 <doesthiswork> I agree
04:24:32 <doesthiswork> can you give me an example of a belief that is useful but invalid?
04:25:37 <doesthiswork> (also it is beneficial to make a distinction between beliefs that are true and beliefs that benefit you in other ways)
04:26:14 <doesthiswork> And things that are not true until you believe them are just weird
04:26:15 <zzo38> I do not konw of any. Belief of God may be useful whether or not it is valid, but only if it is useful to you, I think. And that is different from being useful in general.
04:26:55 <zzo38> However, possibly there may be some cases where believing things that are not true may be useful for stuff having to do with lie detectors and so on if you can manage it.
04:27:02 <doesthiswork> I think you can see why he pissed of Bertram Russel
04:27:17 <doesthiswork> of->off
04:29:52 <doesthiswork> Yes, and since people are reasonably effective lie detectors and often want other people to believe certain things it can be very useful to believe something that isn't true.
04:30:46 <pikhq> doesthiswork: I disagree with his core premise.
04:31:06 <pikhq> Truth is independent of how I feel about it.
04:32:28 <doesthiswork> pikhq: could you restate his core premise for me?
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04:33:50 <pikhq> "A thing is true if and only if it is useful to believe it."
04:34:10 <pikhq> There are false beliefs that are useful (though truer beliefs are more useful).
04:35:06 <pikhq> It is useful to believe God will punish you for eating raw pork. It is more useful to believe that eating raw pork will, with some probability, give you trichinosis.
04:35:29 <zzo38> Ah, yes I can see the point.
04:36:08 <doesthiswork> William James's argument for the believing in god frustrated me because he acknowledged that it is only effective if you already mostly believe in god. I thought that a good argument was one that could convince you from any starting point.
04:36:09 <pikhq> Furthermore, if the notion of "useful" is "it makes you feel better", or "you begin to see 'confirmation' of it"...
04:36:33 <pikhq> Yes, a good argument should be based in premises that non-believers will hold.
04:36:53 <pikhq> ... Because frankly if it isn't, then you're preaching to the choir.
04:37:01 <doesthiswork> in fact he did use "it makes you feel better", which managed to piss off Christians too.
04:37:09 <pikhq> I imagine.
04:37:26 <pikhq> Christians generally hold that their beliefs are literal, absolute truth about the world we live in.
04:37:29 <zzo38> Such things as "it makes you feel better" and so on don't help if you are trying to prove it.
04:37:38 <pikhq> That being... not surprising.
04:38:07 <pikhq> Few people convince themselves to believe things for reasons other than they genuinely think it's true.
04:38:23 <doesthiswork> an he was like "I don't see how saying that Christianity is true if it makes you feel better would upset anyone, I was doing you a favor".
04:38:55 <pikhq> Granted, if Christianity is true, holding Christian beliefs ought to make you feel better.
04:39:04 <pikhq> But that alone is a bad reason to believe something.
04:39:14 <pikhq> And won't really convince many people.
04:39:24 <doesthiswork> he was very depressed for a several years so he put a pretty high value on feeling better
04:39:51 <pikhq> *Understandable*, but doesn't mean I have to give much credence to the argument.
04:40:02 <pikhq> Just means that why it's convincing to him is understandable.
04:42:00 <doesthiswork> I think that a small change to "A thing is CALLED true if and only if it is useful to believe it." would be less disagreeable
04:42:12 <doesthiswork> but there are many pointless things that are true anyway
04:48:15 <Wolfgang_> God news its hard to make this bubble universe pop
04:48:22 <Wolfgang_> Good
04:53:20 <doesthiswork> Have you folk seen lambdu? http://www.lamdu.org/
04:55:49 <zzo38> I will look
04:56:25 <shachaf> I have seen it.
04:58:10 <zzo38> Live programming as well as AST canonical representation are both ideas that have had before (and MegaZeux does store programs as something like a AST (but it isn't a tree) instead of as text, although they are edited as text).
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05:02:10 <zzo38> Lamdu does have some interesting ideas too though.
05:03:23 <doesthiswork> I don't have any profound thoughts about it, but I like live programming
05:08:47 <quintopia> undertale true pacifist time
05:09:25 <quintopia> zzo38: is it easier to program famicom or super famicom?
05:10:30 <zzo38> I don't know how to program Super Famicom therefore I don't know the answer of your question.
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06:22:08 <oerjan> @tell fizzie the wiki link seems down again
06:22:08 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
06:23:42 <oerjan> @tell fizzie in fact, i think it may have been down for nearly a week
06:23:42 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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08:48:28 <Vorpal> hi
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12:54:28 <fizzie> @tell oerjan that's a shame
12:54:28 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
12:54:51 <fizzie> @tell oerjan (but also true)
12:54:51 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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13:23:28 <int-e> hmm
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13:38:01 <boily> `wisdom
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13:38:22 <HackEgo> welcome.is//Halló og verið velkomin á hinn alþjóðlegann miðpunkt fyrir esoteríska forritunarmálshönnun og dreifingu. Meiri upplýsingar er hægt að nálgast á wikinu <http://esolangs.org/>. (Fyrir annarskonar esoterík prufið #esoteric á EFnet eða DALnet.)
13:38:51 <boily> there can be three hoovers between a `wisdom and the answer.
13:39:35 <int-e> so apparently my CaC VM lost its IP address... yay
13:40:02 <Phantom___Hoover> boily, i'm trying to make hexchat look not like shit because xchat's been officially taken behind the shed and shot
13:41:41 <Phantom___Hoover> turns out this is very difficult
13:42:28 <boily> Phantom___Helloover. what's the issue?
13:42:49 <Phantom___Hoover> firstly it changed all the interface colours to stupid bullshit
13:42:59 <Phantom___Hoover> nextly it does this http://i.imgur.com/H9bK7Aj.png
13:43:21 <Phantom___Hoover> even though both are set to dejavu sans mono 9, hexchat's text is way less condensed and looks like shit
13:46:15 <int-e> w i d e c h a r a c t e r s
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13:47:51 <Phantom___Hoover> int-e, do you know a way to adjust this? #hexchat are predictably blaming it on everyone else
13:48:16 <int-e> I use irssi, so it's up to the terminal emulator anyway.
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13:49:36 <int-e> uhm... IP is back? How, why?
13:49:48 <boily> lucky DHCP renew?
13:50:59 <int-e> so why did I go through all the trouble to change the root password on the console...
13:51:28 <int-e> oh, IP is there, but ssh doesn't work, stranger and stranger.
13:52:33 <int-e> never mind.
13:52:46 <int-e> I'm pinging the wrong IP :)
13:56:40 <int-e> boily: okay... there's no dhcp involved, /etc/network/interfaces just lists an IP and a gateway, and those, apparently, no longer exist.
13:56:49 <int-e> such a lovely provider
13:59:24 <boily> much fun.
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14:01:22 <boily> `wisdom
14:01:40 <HackEgo> goat//Goats are drunk 24/7, ask Solain for details.
14:04:31 <boily> `learn Goats will eat and drink anything, except tea. Solain is unavailable for details.
14:04:40 <HackEgo> Relearned 'goat': Goats will eat and drink anything, except tea. Solain is unavailable for details.
14:04:41 <boily> `wisdom
14:04:44 <HackEgo> war//A lot more young people have gone off to fight in this war than I would have, at that age.
14:09:54 <boily> `wisdom
14:09:59 <HackEgo> axiom of choice//The axiom of choice is equivalent to the Free Will Principle and Zeno's Lemma.
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14:12:26 <boily> Phantom___Hoover: better now?
14:12:36 <Phantom___Hoover> wtf it actually might be
14:12:55 <Phantom___Hoover> i toggled custom dpi setting on and off in xfce's appearance panel and it looks ok now
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14:18:03 <int-e> "Thank you for submitting a ticket with Cloud At Cost. Your request has been assigned the ticket number 62857nnn." ... hope those IDs aren't sequential :P
14:20:07 <izabera> iirc they took 3 weeks to reply to my last ticket
14:20:09 <int-e> (it would probably be easier all around to delete the VM and set up a new one... but then it'll have a different IP!)
14:20:37 <int-e> that's fine... the only "important" thing running on it is mroman's Burlesque shell?
14:22:01 <int-e> basically I'm trying to get my money's worth of entertainment out of this "service".
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15:28:47 <boily> @tell quintopia QUINTHELLOPIAAAAAAAAAAA! won't be home during the day, but will be back tonight for maybe shooting, depending on health.
15:28:47 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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16:28:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Modular SNUSP]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50736 * Ais523 * (+33) redirect
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19:13:34 <deltab> Phantom_Hoover: the ascenders in hexchat are a pixel higher: some kind of subtle scaling?
19:15:02 <Phantom_Hoover> no clue what was going on
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23:00:28 <quintopia> ais523: the spam filter just blocked an edit from me that contained no links.
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23:00:43 <edmundas> Is it possible to program god like AI with this?
23:01:11 <edmundas> Or atleast an program which would read percentage of how much each of your chakra is open?
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23:03:16 <quintopia> callforjudgement: halp
23:03:25 <ais523> <ais523> quintopia: it doesn't show on the spam filter, unless you were using a werd account name
23:03:27 <ais523> <ais523> what message did you get?
23:03:52 <quintopia> Spam protection filter
23:03:53 <quintopia> The text you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to a blacklisted external site.
23:04:16 <ais523> ooh, the /old/ filter
23:04:20 <ais523> I didn't even realise that was still active
23:05:11 <ais523> according to its documentation it's disabled, and nothing there seems likely to match something you wrote
23:05:21 <ais523> unless it's "End of rules" and there's been a crazy parsing mishap somewhere
23:05:36 <quintopia> it consistently blocks my edit.
23:05:48 <edmundas> Can someone answer me?
23:05:51 <ais523> hmm, I wonder if it's pulling from Meta?
23:06:01 <edmundas> Is it possible to program an AI which would read my chakra levels
23:06:05 <quintopia> edmundas: wrong channel
23:06:08 <ais523> like, we were using the Meta WMF blacklist back in 2012
23:06:12 <ais523> then we turned it off
23:06:27 <ais523> maybe it turned back on again by mistake during a server migration
23:06:34 <edmundas> I will check wiki to make sure that it's wrong chanel
23:07:10 <ais523> although it doesn't show as enabled on the version page
23:07:53 <ais523> quintopia: not everything here is a link: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Spam_blacklist
23:07:58 <ais523> you might want to see if any of the regexes there match your edit
23:08:00 <quintopia> ill try to do the edit on pc to see if its some weird browser interaction
23:08:09 <ais523> if so, there are shenanigans going on, but only fizzie will be able to fix them
23:10:38 <quintopia> it seems unlikely those would match since i wrote no URLs
23:10:51 <ais523> some aren't URLs, but even so, it seems unlikely there'd be a match
23:11:01 <ais523> the other possibility is that it's hitting some sort of blacklist at the MediaWiki config level
23:11:12 <ais523> but I don't even have /read/ access to that blacklist (despite being an admin), so I couldn't tell you what's on it
23:11:31 <quintopia> ah
23:11:36 <ais523> (back in the very old days of Esolang, there were some fun things on the blacklist like "<div", which we discovered by experiment, but those have thankfully long since been removed)
23:12:16 <quintopia> @ask fizzie MARSHALL, HELLLLLLLLLLLP!
23:12:16 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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23:54:14 <fizzie> Hmm.
23:55:50 <fizzie> I don't know about that blacklist.
23:56:14 <fizzie> There is a "SpamBlacklist" extension, but that's not enabled.
23:57:30 <quintopia> fizzie: oh hi. let me send you the text and see if you can diagnose
23:57:37 <fizzie> The message comes from "spamprotectiontext" message, I know that much.
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