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00:07:36 <boily> I haven't hit a cube in over a year.
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00:23:03 <oerjan> `learn Nilfisk is the fish of choice for the connoiseuring spämmer.
00:23:08 <HackEgo> Learned 'nilfisk': Nilfisk is the fish of choice for the connoiseuring spämmer.
00:24:39 <oerjan> evenœ→ily. why the arrow?
00:25:13 <boily> → and ø are next to each other on my layout.
00:25:31 <boily> nilfisk... let me guess: "null fish"?
00:25:35 <oerjan> `learn Spämmers are advertisers of spämmi, the delicious Finnish fish product.
00:25:38 <HackEgo> Learned 'spämmer': Spämmers are advertisers of spämmi, the delicious Finnish fish product.
00:25:50 <boily> spämmi spämmi späm ♪
00:26:08 <oerjan> `slwd spämmer//s,sp,Sp,
00:26:11 <HackEgo> spämmer//Spämmers are advertisers of Spämmi, the delicious Finnish fish product.
00:26:21 <oerjan> THEY MIGHT BE GETTING TO ME
00:27:15 <oerjan> boily: i suspect the "nil" refers to the Nile
00:27:18 <boily> . o O ( NullPointerException'n'Chips )
00:27:36 <boily> oh, crocodile then.
00:28:49 <oerjan> oh, it's actually probably a portmanteau of the company founders, Fisker and Nielsen
00:30:13 <oerjan> although i will always imagine a fish living in the Nile with unusual sucking powers
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00:36:35 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: spämmer: not found
00:38:11 <HackEgo> Spämmers are advertisers of Spämmi, the delicious Finnish fish product.
00:38:25 <boily> hppavellon1. you aren't spämming correctly.
00:38:39 <HackEgo> Spämmers are advertisers of Spämmi, the delicious Finnish fish product.
00:39:11 <hppavilion1> myname: Combining diacritics are the superior encoding of diacritical letter.
00:39:18 <boily> no you aren't. your späm chi isn't aligned. please rephase the manifold conductors.
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00:39:58 <myname> hppavilion1: well, if my keyboard would do that in a transparent way, i would agree
00:41:00 <oerjan> hppavilion1: i'm sure Nilfisk is good, but spammers keep advertising it
00:42:02 <hppavilion1> oerjan: ...wait, is Spämmi an actual fish product? I'm unclear now.
00:43:59 <boily> the Finnish Urban Sanakirja has: https://www.urbaanisanakirja.com/word/spammi-2/
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01:00:19 <oerjan> hppavilion1: no, i'm just punning on Spam and Nilfisk
01:00:45 <HackEgo> Spämmers are advertisers of Spämmi, the delicious Finnish fish product.
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01:25:37 * oerjan ends up making corrections on Nilfisk's wikipedia page, including requesting a page move...
01:26:08 <oerjan> which someone from the company tried to do 2 years ago, but no one was apparently reading it
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01:26:49 <oerjan> (and i cannot do it automatically because someone foolishly added a category to the redirect
01:28:51 <oerjan> . o O ( hm they should relax the moving-over-redirect rule to allowing it whenever the target has _always_ been a redirect, and then _swapping_ them )
01:32:33 <boily> “Nilfisk is a supplier of professional cleaning equipment in both industrial, commercial and consumer markets.”
01:32:50 <oerjan> i didn't fix _everything_
01:33:10 <oerjan> just the things to do with the company name, and a couple misplaced things
01:35:34 <oerjan> the word "både" of norwegian/danish is obviously cognate to "both", but afaik doesn't have any prohibition against more than two entries.
01:38:13 <oerjan> (although in different usage, both also corresponds to "begge", which does.)
01:38:57 <oerjan> (the former is a conjuction, the second a determiner)
01:40:01 <oerjan> (it must be a determiner rather than adjective, because it replaces the definite article)
01:40:42 <oerjan> actually, it can be _followed_ by a definite article. still not what an adjective does.
01:45:03 <boily> “both” is always «les deux». very sensible.
01:45:44 <oerjan> i was hoping that you'd get to the "sensible" before i remembered the ways in which norwegian was more complicated
01:45:58 <tswett> <Phantom__Hoover> has tswett made any esolangs based on, like, nonstandard foundations or anything
01:45:58 <tswett> <Phantom__Hoover> i ask mostly because he's the first person id suspect to do so
01:46:22 <tswett> Here, let me make a very simple one right now.
01:46:36 <oerjan> boily: does that also apply to both ... and ... ?
01:46:55 <tswett> Ummm, crap. How does NFU work, again.
01:47:09 <tswett> I'm gonna think out loud!
01:47:17 <tswett> Consider this famous function:
01:47:28 <tswett> @type let ss x y z = x z (y z) in ss
01:47:31 <lambdabot> (t2 -> t -> t1) -> (t2 -> t) -> t2 -> t1
01:47:52 <boily> oerjan: well, that's «à la fois», but it doesn't really count >_>'...
01:47:59 <tswett> NFU wouldn't allow that function, because t2 appears at two different "levels".
01:48:13 <tswett> This type would be allowed, however:
01:48:24 <tswett> ((() -> t2) -> t -> t1) -> (t2 -> t) -> t2 -> t1
01:49:18 <tswett> So you'd have to implement it like this:
01:49:26 <tswett> @type let ss x y z = x (\() -> z) (y z) in ss
01:49:28 <lambdabot> ((() -> t2) -> t -> t1) -> (t2 -> t) -> t2 -> t1
01:52:13 <tswett> The "level" of a type variable is the number of function arrows that it's nested inside of.
01:52:31 <tswett> Likewise, this would be prohibited:
01:52:40 <tswett> @type let kk x y = x in kk
01:52:43 <oerjan> and there's no currying in that, i see
01:53:21 <tswett> But this would be allowed:
01:53:24 <tswett> @type let kk x y = x () in kk
01:54:26 <oerjan> so, you just replace v by () -> v until all levels match?
01:55:02 <tswett> Let me look at the other non-obvious ones.
01:55:13 <tswett> @type let bb x y z = x (y z) in bb
01:55:15 <lambdabot> (t -> t1) -> (t2 -> t) -> t2 -> t1
01:55:39 <oerjan> looks like you've got two options there
01:56:10 <tswett> @type let bb x y z = x (\() -> y z) () in bb
01:56:12 <lambdabot> ((() -> t1) -> () -> t2) -> (t -> t1) -> t -> t2
01:56:59 <tswett> @type let bb x y z = x () (y z) in bb
01:57:01 <lambdabot> (() -> t -> t1) -> (t2 -> t) -> t2 -> t1
01:57:23 <tswett> But the first one is more "normalized".
01:58:13 <oerjan> @type let bb x y z = x (\()->()) (y z) in bb
01:58:15 <lambdabot> ((() -> ()) -> t -> t1) -> (t2 -> t) -> t2 -> t1
01:58:40 <tswett> "Levels" only apply to variables, and () isn't a variable.
01:59:00 <oerjan> i imagined, i just wanted to say that
01:59:21 <tswett> @type let cc x y z = x z y in cc
02:00:03 <tswett> @type let cc x y z = x (\() -> z) (y ()) in cc
02:00:06 <lambdabot> ((() -> t) -> t1 -> t2) -> (() -> t1) -> t -> t2
02:00:29 <tswett> @type let ww x y = w y y in ww
02:00:32 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘t4 -> t4 -> t5’
02:00:38 <tswett> @type let ww x y = x y y in ww
02:01:32 <tswett> @type let ww x y () = x (\() -> (y ())) (y ()) in ww
02:01:34 <lambdabot> ((() -> t) -> t -> t1) -> (() -> t) -> () -> t1
02:02:12 <tswett> Okay, so here's the esolang.
02:02:23 <tswett> You have these altered versions of B, C, I, K, S, and W.
02:02:30 <tswett> Except that I actually remains the same.
02:02:41 * oerjan got pirate.careers as the best of three
02:03:58 <tswett> And there's a thing that means (), and there's a thing where, given a thing E, you can make the thing \() -> E.
02:04:05 <oerjan> lady.solar is nicely absurd
02:05:22 <oerjan> and will the combinations automatically be well typed?
02:05:52 <oerjan> i think your last thing might break things
02:06:35 <oerjan> unless it's purely a syntax, i guess
02:08:33 <oerjan> maybe it's even redundant somehow
02:10:06 <oerjan> given () -> A and () -> B, can you construct () -> A B without using your thing
02:11:48 <oerjan> @type let xx f x () = f () (x ())
02:11:50 <lambdabot> not an expression: ‘let xx f x () = f () (x ())’
02:11:54 <oerjan> @type let xx f x () = f () (x ()) in xx
02:11:56 <lambdabot> (() -> t -> t1) -> (() -> t) -> () -> t1
02:12:33 <tswett> The last thing is a syntactic construct, not a function.
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02:15:18 <tswett> @type let undist x () y = x (\() -> y) ()
02:15:21 <lambdabot> not an expression: ‘let undist x () y = x (\() -> y) ()’
02:15:27 <tswett> @type let undist x () y = x (\() -> y) () in undist
02:15:28 <lambdabot> ((() -> t) -> () -> t1) -> () -> t -> t1
02:15:50 <tswett> Then oerjan's xx is the corresponding "dist" function.
02:16:51 <oerjan> oh it wasn't wrong, i was just confused
02:17:44 <shachaf> <belinksy> That wasn't wrong, it was only ridiculous.
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04:43:55 <\oren\> When you learn what a nitrogen atom is, you can talk about me.
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05:10:59 <oerjan> @tell rdococ <rdococ> how would Mathtician know the proper pronunciation was "slashes" <-- my guess is from the codegolf link at the end of the page
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05:51:53 <oerjan> `learn Fugals are fictitious flower parts.
05:52:06 <HackEgo> Learned 'fugal': Fugals are fictitious flower parts.
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06:26:07 <^v> http://blog.pxtst.com/high-level-strings-in-brainfuck/
06:27:25 <^v> what do you think?
06:30:10 <tswett> Anyone here speak silicon?
06:30:19 <tswett> http://i.imgur.com/yKH5Y2U.jpg - this, apparently, is the Intel 8008.
06:30:38 <^v> what about it
06:31:06 <tswett> I wonder if that image contains enough information to emulate the processor.
06:31:39 <tswett> The image is certainly rather confusing.
06:32:18 <^v> i belive there is enough information for a (human) to put together an emulator
06:32:42 <tswett> Hey, they shrank it. No fair.
06:32:45 <tswett> Here's the original...
06:32:46 <tswett> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z4RzZ24yNqU/WF4ffuFFN4I/AAAAAAAA-pI/ol-npvcvl_YKk8IRVgkO4qN7RMcqcRCMwCHM/w9999/8008-die-adjusted.jpg
06:33:21 <^v> ok now maybe you could do it programmability
06:33:31 <^v> what kind of word is that
06:33:43 <^v> why is that in my dictionary
06:33:57 <^v> and programmically isnt
06:34:25 <myname> i think it's an adverb
06:35:07 <tswett> Here's an even bigger picture...
06:35:07 <tswett> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tmNTCAwkHqg/WF4fftrjlEI/AAAAAAAA-pI/NroDy4tS_9s7xBjwDj7CA0cT-TEDgT07wCHM/w9999/die.jpg
06:35:49 <tswett> "I couldn't find good die photos of the 8008, so I opened one up and took some detailed photographs." http://www.righto.com/2016/12/die-photos-and-analysis-of_24.html
06:35:56 <^v> now give us a 3d x-ray
06:35:58 <tswett> Yeah, I do that all the time.
06:37:14 <oerjan> ^v: program comes from the greek -ma class of nouns, which tend to get the -mat- before other greek suffixes.
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06:48:21 <tswett> And by fun I mean super tedious and potentially not fun at all, but at least somewhat interesting on some level...
06:48:38 <tswett> To translate the 8008 into WireWorld.
07:00:07 <\oren\> hwy does it say intₑl 1971
07:01:32 <tswett> Presumably because it was designed by Intel in 1971.
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07:03:49 <tswett> Because that's what their logo looked like at the time.
07:05:37 <\oren\> intel's logo now looks like
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07:21:10 <oerjan> somehow, that was the only one not showing properly
07:22:20 <myname> it's fine here, but the first line got shifted
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07:24:11 <\oren\> 𝐖𝐄𝐍𝐃𝐘'𝐒 𝐎𝐋𝐃 𝐅𝐀𝐒𝐇𝐈𝐎𝐍𝐄𝐃 𝐇𝐀𝐌𝐁𝐔𝐑𝐆𝐄𝐑𝐒
07:30:34 <\oren\> 𝐖𝐄𝐍𝐃𝐘'𝐒 𝐎𝐋𝐃 𝐅𝐀𝐒𝐇𝐈𝐎𝐍𝐄𝐃 𝐇𝐀𝐌𝐁𝐔𝐑𝐆𝐄𝐑𝐒
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07:39:28 <\oren\> 𝒥ℯ𝒷'𝓈 JUNKYARD & SPACESHIP PARTS
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08:30:32 <\oren\> 𝖨𝗢𝖭𝖨𝖢 𝖲𝗒𝗆𝗉𝗁𝗈𝗇𝗂𝖼 𝖯𝗋𝗈𝗍𝗈𝗇𝗂𝖼 𝖤𝗅𝖾𝖼𝗍𝗋𝗈𝗇𝗂𝖼𝗌
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11:27:25 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:7]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50799 * Qwerp-Derp * (+337) Created page with "I think you should describe what "bars" actually are, and maybe include smaller programs that help the reader understand the control flow of 7 itself. I would help, but I'm ki..."
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11:35:52 <HackEgo> ops///msg ChanServ access list #esoteric
11:36:41 <int-e> @tell lambdabot where are my messages?
11:45:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Loader]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50800&oldid=44996 * SuperJedi224 * (-66)
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18:54:10 <\oren\> hipchat is such inferior technology
18:54:23 <\oren\> I can't color text in it
18:57:56 <\oren\> or even italic or bold! wut is up with that
18:59:08 <\oren\> a futuristic chat system should have full support for LaTeX like math and syntax highlighted code snippets
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19:07:52 <int-e> maybe but this is IRC.
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19:15:59 <\oren\> int-e: right but why is this modern chat system inferior to IRC
19:21:32 <\oren\> wow, my irssi process has been running since october 11 2016
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19:24:53 <hppavilion1> Out of curiosity, who does one contact to submit a new metric unit?
19:27:04 <\oren\> the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Conference_on_Weights_and_Measures
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21:07:23 <ambrus> hppavilion1, \oren\: no, I think you contact your national standards body ("body" means a government-established institution there), and they contact the international organization.
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21:23:39 <\oren\> hppavilion2: you have to contact your national standards body
21:23:52 <\oren\> what unit did you want to anem anyway
21:26:11 <int-e> HackEgo: you're so lucky to still be here, you know that?
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21:31:18 <int-e> waste of bandwidth?
21:31:43 <\oren\> I assumed it was wob as in a wobsite
21:32:31 <wob_jonas> \oren\: yes, it's wob as in a wobsite, because it's a wob-based IRC client
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22:22:36 <hppavilion2> \oren\: kg * m / s^3 = N/s (rate of change or disturbance of Force) is the Kenobi (Kn), kg * m / s^4 = Kn/s = N/s^2 is the Tarkin (rate at which force is changed/disturbed)
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22:35:35 <\oren\> Hooray, I finally get some actual specifications on what this thing is supposed to do rather than guessing
22:41:06 <\oren\> the feature i'm impelmenting
22:41:34 <\oren\> previously I had an email describing it with little more than its name
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