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00:01:02 <boily> question about (<*) and (*>): why are both arguments evaluated, if one of them gets discarded?
00:06:16 <shachaf> Do you mean why both are executed?
00:06:26 <shachaf> The answer is that that's the purpose of those functions.
00:08:23 <boily> I know it works, I can use them, but the way it works confuses me.
00:10:09 <boily> maybe I'm misunderstanding laziness. if I'm fmapping "const" or "const id" into (<*>), shouldn't I be able to just plain ignore one of the arguments and just evaluate the other?
00:10:46 <shachaf> You keep using the word "evaluate".
00:10:58 <shachaf> But I don't think you're talking about evaluation.
00:11:39 <boily> is there a better term to say "extract the value from this function application"?
00:12:10 <shachaf> Extract what from what?
00:15:09 <boily> if "f (<*) g = const <$> f <*> g", then shouldn't the "const" disregard what's inside the g?
00:16:16 <boily> from there (and I guess where I'm completely wrong), my intuition is that the whole g is useless, so nothing should happen with it, so the whole thing could be reduced to only f.
00:19:51 <shachaf> There is nothing inside g, probably.
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00:20:19 <shachaf> These things don't contain things (in general).
00:20:40 <shachaf> Are f and g functions here?
00:23:02 <boily> anything.
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00:27:00 <boily> another way: "getLine <* getLine" should only get a single line, as the second one isn't needed to manipulate the "IO String" you type.
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00:40:57 <oerjan> <boily> lament? <-- yep! doesn't come around much these days though.
00:41:06 <oerjan> (evenily)
00:41:29 <boily> bonsøirjan.
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01:28:21 <boily> `wisdom
01:28:26 <HackEgo> sense//Sense is the ability to understand things. A person with much sense is called a sensei.
01:29:16 <shachaf> boily: Why should it only get a single line?
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01:32:28 <boily> if I write "a <- getLine <* getLine", then "a" only depends on what happens with the first getLine. the second one could be dropped, and nothing would change.
01:33:55 <shachaf> What if you write do { a <- getLine; _ <- getLine; ... }?
01:34:14 <shachaf> I think the problem is the same as what I said above: You're confusing evaluation and execution.
01:35:35 * boily is suddenly enlightened
01:36:09 <shachaf> are you sure hth
01:36:30 <boily> well, only by an incandescent bulb, but I *think* I'm getting there.
01:36:50 <oerjan> yay!
01:37:03 * oerjan enlightens boily further with a match
01:38:32 <shachaf> is there a good place to read about this sort of thing
01:38:39 <shachaf> i wrote e.g. http://stackoverflow.com/a/13538351 but it's not ideal
01:38:49 <oerjan> boily: <* means "execute both for their side effects; keep only the first return value"
01:39:23 <shachaf> > [1,2,3] <* [4,5]
01:39:25 <lambdabot> [1,1,2,2,3,3]
01:42:39 <boily> oerjan: yes, it means that, it works, but it's the *why* that I fail to grasp.
01:42:49 * boily is still perusing the shachanwer...
01:43:20 <boily> s/w/sw/
01:54:16 <boily> [1, 2, 3] <* [4, 5] = const <$> [1, 2, 3] <*> [4, 5]
01:54:18 <boily> [const 1, const 2, const 3] <*> [4, 5]
01:54:20 <boily> [f x | f <- [const 1, const 2, const 3], x <- [4, 5]]
01:54:22 <boily> [1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3]
01:59:09 <boily> to be able to get from a form that has (<*>) to one that hasn't it, I have to "do something" with the second argument before being able to apply the "const" and get to the end result.
02:00:00 * boily uses oerjan's match to keep warm
02:02:57 <boily> and that "do something" depends on the instance of (<*>), but there will always be a something to be done. plugging in a const has no consequence whatsoever that that thing be done or not.
02:03:19 * boily feels like he's getting non-homeopathically closer
02:04:07 <shachaf> Laziness is just irrelevant here.
02:05:03 <boily> point.
02:06:32 <boily> `thanks shachaf
02:06:34 <HackEgo> Thanks, shachaf. Thachaf.
02:06:54 <boily> oerjan: can I keep the match? it has fire, and fire is good.
02:15:20 <oerjan> OKAY
02:17:31 <boily>
02:20:14 * oerjan accidentally marks a wiktionary edit as minor instead of adding it to his watchlist. this is what happens when you're not careful enough and cannot actually read the button descriptions.
02:32:56 <boily> 'night all!
02:33:03 <oerjan> night
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02:45:13 <Zarutian> http://climatetorrent.com/ can you kindly torrent (and possibly seed these)? Before it goes in the 'memory hole'.
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05:25:39 <hppavilion2> There seem to be analogues of Newton's laws for both Linear (translational) systems and Angular (rotational) systems. While I'm not sure it can happen in this universe, are there (somehow) analogues for translation? Somehow?
05:25:45 <hppavilion2> I'm really not sure if I know what I'm talking about
05:31:40 <hppavilion2> Nope, non-continuous so it doesn't make sense
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07:13:46 <zgrep> Huh. Some more ways to acquire the climate data that's in climatetorrent.com: https://climate.daknob.net/
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10:29:18 * oerjan finally blocks redditmedia.com
10:29:31 <oerjan> (or disables it from running scripts)
10:30:21 <oerjan> my tabs were getting an endless series of certificate errors.
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11:14:29 <int-e> sounds like fun!
11:15:43 <int-e> oerjan: did you see the "unplagued" pun? I expected a swatting... :P
11:17:53 <oerjan> um, what's the pun in that
11:21:04 <oerjan> are you thinking "unplugged" or something
11:21:50 <oerjan> meantime, colette is no longer unplugged.
11:22:20 <oerjan> i wonder if beausoleil will show up inside that thing
11:22:31 <oerjan> *meanwhile
11:25:15 <b_jonas> `? maintenance
11:25:31 <HackEgo> maintenance? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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11:51:48 <int-e> izabera: btw I gave up on the CaC ticket and instead deleted and recreated the VM two times (the first time routing still didn't work... they've messed something up pretty badly in their routing it seems)
11:52:20 <int-e> So... performing as expected. :P
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16:15:36 <izabera> int-e: try to have a backup :\
16:17:36 <int-e> Well, most of the work is actually getting rid of systemd, rpcbind (why would anyone set up a system with rpcbind running in its default configuration?!) and setting up apache.
16:17:44 <int-e> there's almost no data there anyway.
16:18:12 <int-e> and this time I took some notes
16:19:39 <int-e> Oh they want feedback on how they performed on the ticket...
16:19:57 <int-e> ...let's see, I tried to leave some final comments and it earned my an entry on their server's blacklist
16:20:59 <int-e> (though that could also have been triggered by the fact that I used the session cookie from two different IPs)
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17:38:04 <\oren\> good afertoon evryone
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17:39:18 <moony> hi
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18:28:01 <\oren\> I had to pkill -9 chrome
18:28:25 <\oren\> because chroma kept turning my mouse into a beach ball
18:29:05 <int-e> squeak?
18:30:19 <int-e> (when I see "mouse" I think of the physical device, not the pointer)
18:36:14 <int-e> `? password
18:36:27 <HackEgo> The password of the month is AАΑAАΑAАΑAАΑAАΑ
18:36:28 <int-e> can we have n9y25ah7 for next month?
18:37:04 <int-e> (context, https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/26/sean-spicer-n9y25ah7/ )
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19:15:31 <izabera> 2020 olympic high jump results:
19:15:39 <izabera> gold - mexico
19:15:45 <izabera> silver - mexico
19:15:46 <izabera> bronze - mexico
19:16:33 <\oren\> in the news, shia the boof trolled and v& by 9gag
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19:37:54 <hppavilion1> Uh
19:37:58 <hppavilion1> Oh, nvm
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20:03:20 <\oren\> hppavilion1: do you like vaporwave?
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20:03:34 <\oren\> drat
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20:04:31 <\oren\> hppavilion1: where did your [] go?
20:04:59 <hppavilion1> \oren\: AAAAGH
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20:05:06 <shachaf> copumpkin: hopumpkin
20:05:22 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: My nick is hppavilion1 on foonetic so it carries over here
20:05:29 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Because I can't be on xkcd with the []s
20:05:33 <hppavilion[1]> I'm trying to get them to fix it
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20:06:01 <shachaf> what sort of language should a build system use for describing build targets and so on
20:06:01 <\oren\> shachaf: do you like vaporwave
20:06:16 <\oren\> shachaf: not Salmon
20:06:19 <shachaf> do you think it should be similar to the nix language? that one looks very complicated
20:06:31 <shachaf> I don't know vaporwave.
20:06:32 <\oren\> shachaf: I can say it shoudn't be Salmon
20:06:50 <shachaf> Why don't you take it as your work project to fix the awful build system?
20:06:54 <shachaf> Everyone will like you.
20:08:10 <\oren\> there are things that have higher priority
20:08:18 <shachaf> Are you sure?
20:08:24 <shachaf> If it takes four hours to check in a commit?
20:08:40 <\oren\> well, you can work on a different checkout in the mean time
20:08:57 <shachaf> Nevertheless.
20:09:51 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMLrn_bLmT0&t=2153s
20:10:17 <shachaf> I don't typically like music with drums in it.
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20:17:19 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9L4q-0Pi4E
20:18:38 <\oren\> Vaporwave (British English: vapourwave)[10] is an electronic music subgenre [11] that originated in the early 2010s and spread over the next half of the decade among various Internet communities. It is characterized by a nostalgic or surrealist fascination with entertainment, technology and advertising of the 1980s and 1990s, and styles of both corporate and popular music such as lounge music, smooth jazz and elevator music.
20:21:39 <\oren\> I did some exploration of the build system yesterday. those parts that aren't written in Salmon are written in Perl, Bash and Python
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20:34:42 <moony> zzo38, just going to ask, im making a demo NPM module for otherbot's sandbox, which uses the design you came up with. do you require me to add you as one of the authors of the sandbox?
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20:50:38 <\oren\> the last president to have a moustache was Taft
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20:59:46 <zzo38> moony: No. You need not add me.
21:00:35 <moony> zzo38, kk
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22:55:00 <\oren\> コカ・コーラを飲みましょう
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22:59:25 <zzo38> moony: I would like to see the module if possible though.
23:02:29 <\oren\> suppose we made a language where syntax is not a tree
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23:04:28 <zzo38> Then what is it? Figure what possibilities they are.
23:05:05 <\oren\> specifically, it would be a general graph
23:05:40 <zzo38> It is what I thought too but what other possibility there is? There are a few stuff on esolang wiki based on graph
23:05:57 <Cale> もうマサラティを飲んでいる。
23:06:59 <Cale> \oren\: http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~kahl/HOPS/
23:08:52 <\oren\> nice!
23:10:09 <zzo38> One way to make a graph-based is with RDF, and I have thought of wanting to use RDF for a AST of Magic: the Gathering cards (although a graph isn't actually needed here, there are a few advantages provided by such thing).
23:13:30 <\oren\> jesus christ, emacs makes a separate process for each open file?!
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