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00:39:48 <boily> `wisdom
00:39:49 <HackEgo> xml//XML stands for "X-treme Mega Language (of Awesomeness)"
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00:52:31 * Zarutian saw a news item that Hans Rosling had died and is a bit sad.
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02:08:02 <boily> @tell alercah hellorcahello. Baobab, 4800 Wellington H4G 1X2, Feb 12, 12pm.
02:08:02 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
02:08:08 <oerjan> first world problem: someone at the grocery shop put a bread of the cheapest kind in a bag for one of the fancier ones (3-4 times the price)
02:09:14 <alercah> ty
02:09:40 <boily> I will yakuman you into oblivion, just watch me :P
02:09:45 <alercah> boily: confirm it's in verdun?
02:09:59 <boily> yup. either de l'Église or Verdun station, your choice.
02:10:14 <boily> oerjan: that is terrible!
02:11:04 <oerjan> not as bad as when they don't manage to bake it properly, anyway.
02:11:57 <oerjan> or as that time i found a rusty screw inside, i may have told that on the channel
02:11:58 <boily> many summers ago I worked the boulangerie at a supermarket. exactly 100% of what was sold came flash frozen in cardboard boxes.
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02:12:56 <boily> oerjan: bletch.
02:14:25 <oerjan> or wait, was the screw back when i was still at university
02:14:49 <oerjan> in which case i told it to someone else, presumably.
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02:17:47 <boily> Perenello.
02:20:44 <Perenelle> Yesso
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02:31:47 <Perenelle> How's you doin, boily?
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02:48:27 <adu> hppavilion1!
02:48:48 <hppavilion1> aeg!
02:48:52 <hppavilion1> Anorw EKRPAT
02:48:57 <hppavilion1> Adu!
02:49:19 <adu> :)
02:49:29 <adu> I have no idea what EKRPAT means
02:50:12 <adu> so tomorrow is a huge office meeting
02:50:22 <adu> and I want to get the most out of it
02:50:42 <adu> which means either one of two things: (1) powerpoint presentations,
02:51:03 <adu> or (2) woopie cushions
02:51:28 <adu> I'm torn
02:55:00 <hppavilion1> adu: It's DVORAK in DVORAK
02:55:26 <hppavilion1> adu: Can you do a powerpoint presentation ON woopie cushions?
02:55:33 <adu> lololol
02:57:14 <adu> it will probably be 1 hours of CEO talking, and 30 minutes of inter-mingling, lunch, then where did everyone go?
02:58:13 <adu> I actually set my defualt keyboard to Dvorak for about 6 months
02:59:22 <adu> but I was using Emacs the whole time, and I was on Dvorak with Modifier Qwerty mode, so I could never make the switch, because of Emacs
03:01:33 <hppavilion1> adu: I'm considering setting my mouse to polar coordinates, just to see what happens
03:01:53 <adu> because I would have to send <CTRL>-B to send <CTRL>-X to emacs, and I don't know emacs at all, it's all in my muscle memory, so while I was successful in training my mind to type in Dvorak, I couldn't train my Emacs muscles to think in Dvorak
03:02:01 <adu> lololololololololol
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03:08:18 <adu> so I started writing a book about HTTPS
03:08:31 <adu> I'm pretty sure it will take me 175 years
03:08:53 <adu> because I'm explaining the implementation of HTTPS in MMIX assembly
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03:11:43 <adu> I was thinking of calling it "The Art of Web Connections"
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03:41:23 <adu> good night
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06:51:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Essays/A Defence of Brainfuck Derivatives]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50861 * Challenger5 * (+6314) Created page with "Here's my take on this (~~~~): <blockquote>BF is one of the most well-known esoteric languages. It is a simple language based on a Turing machine, and, with 8 instructions, i..."
06:52:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Essays/A Defence of Brainfuck Derivatives]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50862&oldid=50861 * Challenger5 * (-8)
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07:03:25 <myname> haha :D
07:03:42 <hppavilion1> ...I may have created the original page.
07:03:56 <hppavilion1> Do Norwegian fonts usually support an 'fj' ligature the same way English fonts support 'fi'?
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08:48:41 <ais523> can anyone help me identify this byte sequence: 22 22 22 ea 11 22
08:49:23 <ais523> I downloaded a list of statistical information from Google Books; specifically, a list of the most commonly used words and punctuation marks in English
08:49:44 <ais523> it's apparently the third-most commonly seen punctuation mark, after " and .
08:49:47 <ais523> just above -
08:50:42 <ais523> and only 8 words are more commonly seen (the, of, and, to, in, a, is, that); it's more common than "was"
08:52:19 <ais523> it's particularly concerning because the rest of the file appears to be in UTF-8
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09:33:33 <b_jonas> ais523: that's strange
09:33:58 <ais523> very much so
09:34:20 <b_jonas> the double quotes make it look like it's a double quoted form of 22 EA 11, but that doesn't explain anything
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09:36:31 <b_jonas> ais523: does the file have invalid utf-8 or unexplained control characters elsewhere? if so, those could help
09:36:42 <ais523> not that I've noticed
09:37:25 <b_jonas> maybe try grepping for it?
09:38:35 <ais523> doing that now
09:39:01 <ais523> invalid utf-8 is hard to grep for, so I'm grepping for ASCII control chars
09:39:42 <ais523> nope, nowhere else
09:39:52 <ais523> also it appears right at the start of a file that's otherwise in alphabetical order
09:40:14 <b_jonas> wait, it's at the start of the file?
09:40:18 <b_jonas> that makes it different
09:40:30 <b_jonas> it could be some sort of header rather than an actual entry
09:40:34 <ais523> well, it appears on multiple lines of the file
09:40:43 <b_jonas> I assumed the file was in frequency order
09:40:45 <b_jonas> wait what?
09:40:46 <ais523> the file's sorted alphabetically and then by year
09:40:55 <ais523> this appears for a number of different years, at the start of the file
09:40:59 <b_jonas> ah
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09:41:19 <ais523> so it's very much formatted like an entry
09:41:26 <ais523> it's just massively invalid
09:41:27 <b_jonas> well, it could be a real entry that's alphabetically the first according to some collation
09:41:52 <ais523> actually, it probably is first
09:41:53 <b_jonas> if it appears multiple times for years... that's strange
09:42:00 <ais523> " is the second letter of the alphabet, after all :-P
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09:42:17 <b_jonas> ais523: it's hard to explain how it comes before just a quotation mark, since it's a suffix
09:42:26 <ais523> (and ! and " are in different files, with the split between files being arbitrary)
09:42:46 <b_jonas> ah
09:43:06 <b_jonas> so no more control characters... ok
09:43:24 <ais523> which one is \x11, anyway? vertical tab?
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09:43:31 <ais523> yep
09:43:53 <ais523> but that doesn't explain the unmatched \xea
09:44:41 <b_jonas> as for non-utf8, you can search with iconv -f utf8 -t utf8
09:44:50 <b_jonas> which will find the first invalid utf8
09:44:55 <b_jonas> so you'd have to drop these lines
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09:50:06 <ais523> looks like it's the only invalid utf-8
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10:01:22 <b_jonas> interesting
10:02:13 <b_jonas> it could perhaps be not a real word, but a proxy entry that stands for something, like all other words not listed in the file or something, but even then it's strange. You'd have to look near the source docs or ask other people who have used these files maybe.
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10:31:29 <fizzie> ais523: I don't know why, but in my copy (of the version 2009 Google Books ngram unigrams), that's 22 22 22 15 12 22 instead of 22 22 22 ea 11 22.
10:31:48 <ais523> fizzie: but equally nonsensical?
10:32:10 <ais523> or, well, slightly less nonsensical as it is at least valid utf-8
10:32:18 <fizzie> Yes. I assume it's the "corresponding" entry; because it's the only thing containing a " other than the single ".
10:32:24 <ais523> do you have any idea what it's for?
10:32:26 <fizzie> (At the start of file -8.)
10:33:45 <fizzie> No idea, really. The files are "nominally" tab-separated CSV (in the sense that they have .csv in the file name), so it could've been the (equally nonsensical) 22 15 12 quoted, though the single " isn't quoted, so maybe not.
10:35:06 <fizzie> By the way, \x11 is DC1, not the vertical tab. (Vertical tab is 11 decimal, \x0b.)
10:35:16 <ais523> oh right
10:35:30 <ais523> that's an easy mistake to make when your ASCII table just says "11"
10:35:54 <ais523> mine actually lists the decimal and hex in different columns, I must have been looking at the wrong column
10:36:08 <fizzie> It doesn't make any more sense from the ASCII perspective as DC1, of course.
10:37:32 <fizzie> Since it's us, I'd've expected something protobuf-related, but that doesn't really make sense either.
10:39:35 <shachaf> `? fizzie
10:39:36 <HackEgo> fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary king of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg
10:39:52 <shachaf> I wanted to add something about liking wiggly lines.
10:40:05 <shachaf> But maybe that wisdom entry already has more than enough content.
10:40:22 <fizzie> Maybe you should add an actual wiggly line. I really like those in-line sparklines people do as well.
10:41:15 <shachaf> As in ▁▂▃▅▂▇?
10:41:27 <fizzie> ais523: FWIW, there's nothing similar in the 2012 version of the dataset, at least in the "punctuation" or "other" categories. (It's split to files by first letter, not arbitrarily to files of equal size.)
10:42:02 <ais523> the most /useful/ split would probably be by frequency
10:42:16 <ais523> as you're more likely to care about the more frequent ngrams than the less frequent ngrams
10:42:24 <fizzie> shachaf: Yes. Although maybe that's not so much of a "line".
10:42:46 <shachaf>
10:43:14 <shachaf> ▃█▅▅█▅▃▃▅█▁▁▃▃▃▃▃▅▃█▅█▃▁
10:44:19 <fizzie> Doing it like ⣀⢄⠡⠢⠤⣀ is kind of nice as well, but cuts the vertical resolution to half.
10:55:45 <ais523> you get much better horizontal resolution when using a variable-width font, though
10:55:49 <ais523> which might be enough to compensate
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10:57:34 <b_jonas> fizzie: interesting.
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11:01:40 <shachaf> Do you have any esoteric database query languages?
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11:05:39 <b_jonas> shachaf: no, but there's one I was considering to make
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11:40:16 <boily> `wisdom
11:40:17 <HackEgo> gotton//gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet.
11:40:41 <boily> @metar CYUL
11:40:42 <lambdabot> CYUL 081100Z 24003KT 220V300 7SM FEW004 SCT008 OVC020 M02/M03 A2929 RMK SF1SF2SC5 SLP922
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11:41:54 <boily> @metar KATL
11:41:54 <lambdabot> KATL 081125Z 27005KT 1/2SM R09R/4500VP6000FT BR OVC003 13/13 A2978 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1 TWRINC T01330133
11:42:06 <boily> humid east coast.
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11:44:42 <izabera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPsn17_a8-g
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11:47:52 <boily> Ō_Ō...
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12:11:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Clubby789 * New user account
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12:24:50 <\oren\> I have a software that automatically renders graphs like that
12:25:13 <\oren\> http://orenwatson.be/grph.c.htm
12:28:59 <\oren\> 2017Feb08Wed12:29:30UTC ~$ ~/grph <<<'1 2 3 4 5 3 5 6 7 2 1' ▄█
12:28:59 <\oren\> ▄█ ███
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12:29:42 <\oren\> ▄█
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12:29:47 <\oren\> there
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15:30:03 <oerjan> `cwlprits gotton
15:30:05 <HackEgo> boil̈y
15:30:21 <oerjan> @ask boily who is Solain, anyway?
15:30:21 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
15:30:39 <oerjan> `grwp solain
15:30:46 <HackEgo> Binary file reflection matches
15:30:55 <oerjan> `` grwp -i solain
15:30:56 <HackEgo> goat:Goats will eat and drink anything, except tea. Solain is unavailable for details. \ gotton:gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet. \ Binary file reflection matches
15:31:11 <oerjan> `cwlprits goat
15:31:13 <HackEgo> boil̈y oerjän
15:31:23 <oerjan> `dowt goat
15:31:24 <HackEgo> 3619:2013-09-03 <oerjän> mv wisdom/goat{s,} \ 10137:2017-01-15 <boil̈y> learn Goats will eat and drink anything, except tea. Solain is unavailable for details.
15:31:37 <oerjan> `before goat
15:31:38 <HackEgo> No output.
15:31:42 <oerjan> hmph
15:31:59 <oerjan> `` hg cat -r 3619 wisdom/goat
15:32:00 <HackEgo> Goats are drunk 24/7, ask Solain for details.
15:32:07 <b_jonas> what? goats don't drink tea?
15:32:14 <oerjan> `cwlprits goats
15:32:16 <HackEgo> oerjän Rouj̈o
15:32:34 <oerjan> hm Roujo is involved
15:32:57 <b_jonas> `? goat
15:32:58 <HackEgo> Goats will eat and drink anything, except tea. Solain is unavailable for details.
15:33:03 <b_jonas> `? goats
15:33:04 <HackEgo> Goats will eat and drink anything, except tea. Solain is unavailable for details.
15:33:12 <b_jonas> `? boat
15:33:13 <HackEgo> boat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
15:33:15 <oerjan> `dowt gotton
15:33:16 <HackEgo> 3607:2013-09-03 <boil̈y> learn gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet.
15:33:18 <b_jonas> `? moat
15:33:18 <HackEgo> moat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
15:33:30 <b_jonas> `? doat
15:33:31 <HackEgo> doat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
15:34:19 <b_jonas> `? oat
15:34:20 <HackEgo> oat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
15:34:29 <oerjan> `doat wisdom/doat
15:34:31 <HackEgo> No output.
15:34:35 <b_jonas> `? oats
15:34:36 <HackEgo> oats? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
15:34:54 <b_jonas> is there a description of this dowg family if commands somewhere?
15:35:03 <oerjan> `? hoag
15:35:04 <HackEgo> ​`[hd]o[aw][gt] [<filename>] is a set of commands for querying HackEgo hg logs. `hoag is the basic version. d adds revision numbers and dates, w looks only in wisdom, and t lists oldest first.
15:35:22 <b_jonas> what? only three of the letters are variable? that's simpler than I thought
15:35:32 <oerjan> *MWAHAHAHA*
15:35:38 <b_jonas> `? culprits
15:35:39 <HackEgo> ​`culprits` is a program that lists the nicks responsible for a wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits wisdom/ENTRY
15:36:04 <b_jonas> `? cwlprits
15:36:05 <HackEgo> cwlprits? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
15:36:09 <oerjan> hm
15:36:16 <b_jonas> how many letters change in that one?
15:36:22 <oerjan> just one
15:39:01 <oerjan> `le/rn culprits//c[uw]lprits lists the nicks responsible for a file or wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits FILE or `cwlprits ENTRY
15:39:03 <HackEgo> Relearned 'culprits': c[uw]lprits lists the nicks responsible for a file or wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits FILE or `cwlprits ENTRY
15:39:22 <b_jonas> this reminds me to how in svn, the three commands blame, annotate, praise are aliases. you use svn blame to find who did something bad, but svn praise to find who did something good.
15:39:45 <b_jonas> git is pessimistic, it doesn't come with a praise command (though you can define an alias in your config).
15:40:27 <oerjan> `` ls wisdom/*lpri*
15:40:28 <HackEgo> wisdom/culprits
15:41:18 <b_jonas> admittedly, svn comes with several aliases out of the box, most of which are abbreviations, whereas git comes with few or none.
15:43:42 <oerjan> `? finland
15:43:43 <HackEgo> Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus.
15:44:00 <b_jonas> like command, which has the aliases DEL=ERASE, MD=MKDIR, RD=RMDIR, CD=CHDIR. I have no idea why it has built-in aliases like that. does anyone happen to know?
15:44:24 <b_jonas> it also has PATH and PROMPT command for setting particular environment variables
15:45:03 <b_jonas> it's as if they made that executable in modern times when you don't have to squeeze every byte of space from your operating system executables so that more stuff fits on a floppy
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15:56:04 <b_jonas> (unless perhaps PATH and PROMPT are somehow historically earlier than the environment; I don't know if DOS 2 already has the environment)
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16:31:30 <b_jonas> oh no
16:31:33 <b_jonas> is the wiki down again?
16:31:48 <b_jonas> oerjan, fizzie: the esolangs wiki are down
16:31:59 <b_jonas> and I wanted to add an article
16:32:10 <b_jonas> (unless it already exists)
16:32:47 <b_jonas> `ping
16:33:43 <b_jonas> please fix the wiki!
16:33:47 <int-e> half an hour gone?
16:33:58 <int-e> b_jonas: you sound a bit impatient
16:34:14 <b_jonas> int-e: yes, because I found an actually interesting esolang out there on the internets
16:34:21 <b_jonas> and want to start an article about it
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16:35:09 <oerjan> today there are two comments on a postcard
16:35:13 <b_jonas> oh nice
16:35:25 <oerjan> bugs galore
16:36:04 <int-e> oerjan: huh?
16:36:12 <int-e> fungot: what do you know about postcards?
16:36:13 <fungot> int-e: what do the curly-braces do? i don't know; none of those is because my ipod was stolen and i can't believe i actually dread watching movies, but the point of
16:36:31 <int-e> fungot: I'll take your word for it
16:36:32 <fungot> int-e: stop harassing her water bottle.)
16:36:38 <oerjan> int-e: http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/
16:38:17 <oerjan> and both of them are about bugs.
16:38:33 <b_jonas> great, wiki seems to be up now
16:38:57 <b_jonas> fungot: that sounds like suspiciously specific denial
16:38:57 <fungot> b_jonas: fnord/ 221 cpuinfo kallsyms stat exam holding their hand in front of icecube... uh, never mind
16:39:09 <b_jonas> what
16:39:12 <b_jonas> oh
16:40:21 <int-e> I think that's too meta for me.
16:40:31 * oerjan wonders when fizzie will get tired of manually fixing the wiki bridge
16:40:42 <oerjan> int-e: *MWAHAHAHA*
16:42:07 <b_jonas> I confirmed there's no article about this esolang yet. I'll try to create it later this evening
16:43:07 <oerjan> . o O ( it's The Esolang Which Must Not Be Named and b_jonas will never be heard from again )
16:43:59 <int-e> . o O ( But the chat log will remain... is this all a prank, reinacting a `postcard` episode on #esoteric? )
16:44:16 <int-e> reenacting?
16:44:36 <int-e> That looks better.
16:45:51 <int-e> . o O ( metacozza )
16:48:00 <int-e> `? meta
16:48:08 <HackEgo> meta is about
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16:59:41 <quintopia> oerjan: is it a basilisk language, or a more bloody mary sort of scenario
17:01:11 <oerjan> i don't know, i'm not going to look at it
17:02:24 <\oren\> honestly Alpine doesn't have that many actual settings to fiddle with
17:02:27 <\oren\> and most of those are simply "make email work? [x] yes [ ] no, fuck it up"
17:03:59 <\oren\> so I don't think i could spend much time adjusting alpine
17:05:32 <int-e> . o O ( fiddle with the source code then )
17:05:41 <int-e> or adjust your window manager
17:05:50 <int-e> and how much time, pray, have you spent on that font of yours?
17:05:55 <int-e> *pray tell*
17:06:37 <quintopia> oerjan: that postcard image won't load?
17:07:06 <oerjan> huh, irregular webcomic also updated twice
17:07:13 <oerjan> quintopia: *MWAHAHAHA*
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17:08:02 <quintopia> oerjan: :\
17:08:28 <oerjan> int-e: the obvious solution is to turn his font into a mail program. running in lisp.
17:08:39 <oerjan> quintopia: (there never was one)
17:09:14 <quintopia> oerjan: no image? why not?
17:09:15 <int-e> oerjan: what do you mean, that *is* an image.
17:09:26 <quintopia> i guess it is
17:09:27 <int-e> http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/comics/comic.png
17:09:44 <quintopia> but i don't understand why to use it
17:10:04 <oerjan> int-e: ok, technically. people have been asking dmm if it wouldn't be better to make it an actually broken image, but he disagrees.
17:10:07 <int-e> I think it's even more "too meta" for quintopia than it is for me :)
17:10:13 <oerjan> int-e: you think
17:10:29 <oerjan> quintopia: i suggesting looking at the FAQ link hth
17:10:40 <quintopia> is the author's note the only part that's supposed to be interesting
17:10:58 <oerjan> (or was it about? i've left the page)
17:11:19 <oerjan> quintopia: yep
17:11:43 <oerjan> (there's one exception, an april fool's page from way back)
17:11:57 <int-e> what does an autobiography at age 16 have to do with postcards
17:12:58 <oerjan> int-e: now reload hth
17:13:05 <quintopia> i guess the idea is that you're supposed to imagine what the image contained. but that seems like too much effort for passive internetainment
17:13:47 <oerjan> i'm not imagining that much. well, i guess i'm slightly curious about what Blackdrip looks like.
17:15:29 <int-e> "The hardest part of making panel 4 was, I kid you not, getting my graphics software to draw a circle. You'd think this would be a basic function of any graphics program."
17:15:45 <oerjan> well, dmm warned that today the comics would be updating an hour late because of server maintenance. i guess things turned out worse.
17:16:04 <int-e> http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/?comic=1487 ... guess how I found this particular one
17:16:51 <oerjan> well there _is_ a Random button.
17:17:27 <int-e> yeah but that wouldn't make a fair puzzle
17:18:02 <quintopia> and nothing would make it an interesting puzzle
17:19:21 <int-e> quintopia: well it wasn't meant for you but for our resident CDOP victim.
17:19:49 <oerjan> int-e: oh. it's the first comic of the first author alphabetically.
17:19:49 <quintopia> compulsive doing of puzzles?
17:19:58 <int-e> oerjan: exactly
17:20:00 <int-e> `? ocdp
17:20:01 <HackEgo> ocdp? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
17:20:07 <int-e> `? cdop
17:20:07 <HackEgo> CDOP is OCPD, except with the letters in the *proper* order.
17:20:17 <quintopia> that was my second guess
17:20:27 <quintopia> except we just call it CDO...no idea what the p is for
17:20:34 <int-e> "personality"
17:21:10 <oerjan> . o O ( surely i cannot be the only resident CDOP victim )
17:21:13 <quintopia> and mentioning it was obviously a hint
17:21:16 <int-e> I suppose it's there because three-letter acronyms sound unprofessional and cozy.
17:22:16 <oerjan> no, it's because OCD and OCPD mean different things.
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17:22:26 <quintopia> oerjan: well, i'm certainly not one. I knew one in high school though. Seemed pretty awful. My dad claims to be, but definitely isn't.
17:23:08 <oerjan> i'm not actually diagnosed with either, mind you. afaik.
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17:23:44 <quintopia> oerjan: oh they are different. the guy i knew was OCD, not OCPD.
17:24:39 <quintopia> my dad may very well be OCPD... he certainly is obsessed with control of his environment
17:24:52 <quintopia> and sees this at right and proper
17:28:23 <int-e> 'Some (but not all) studies have found high comorbidity rates between the two disorders' <- "comorbidity" is new to me.
17:34:59 <oerjan> hm no, the maintenance isn't until tomorrow. hm.
17:35:18 <oerjan> perhaps something went wrong with dmm's plan for _how_ to get it updating tomorrow.
17:38:24 <\oren\> wow QC is getting DARK with this transhumanist drama
17:42:49 <\oren\> I didn't check it for severl weeks and wut is this
17:48:26 <int-e> I was wondering why you're bringing it up now that the story arc is pretty much complete
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19:59:35 <shachaf> `olist 1065
19:59:35 <HackEgo> olist 1065: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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20:03:22 <FireFly> <shachaf> Do you have any esoteric database query languages? ← does Q count?
20:03:32 <shachaf> Oh, possibly.
20:04:07 <shachaf> WireFly
20:04:09 <FireFly> (it's part of kdb+, implemented in k I believe)
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20:04:55 <shachaf> Yes.
20:05:02 <shachaf> Should I learn K or something?
20:05:21 <shachaf> Maybe I should learn APL.
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20:05:57 <FireFly> APL has a nicer character set, J comes with lots of batteries included, K is kind of to APL as scheme is to lisps
20:06:02 <FireFly> a lot more minimalistic
20:06:32 <shachaf> I mean, any language in that family.
20:06:36 <FireFly> it also differs fundamentally in some ways from APL/J, e.g. its basic unit is heterogenous lists instead of homogenous rectangular arrays
20:06:37 <FireFly> oh, sure
20:06:44 <shachaf> Will it alter my thinking about things?
20:06:45 <FireFly> Well, I dunno
20:06:48 <FireFly> I would say so
20:07:05 <FireFly> I would say that is the main reason for learning an array language
20:07:43 <shachaf> Will I start writing my C software like http://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Essays/Incunabulum ?
20:08:19 <shachaf> http://kparc.com/edit.k is pretty good, I guess. Fits on one page.
20:08:46 <FireFly> you probably won't start writing C like that unless you're mad
20:08:48 <FireFly> which I cannot rule out
20:09:10 <shachaf> `? mad
20:09:11 <HackEgo> This wisdom entry was censored for being too accurate.
20:09:15 <FireFly> fair
20:09:28 <shachaf> It's a shame it was censored.
20:09:30 <shachaf> `cwlprits mad
20:09:32 <HackEgo> oerjän oerjän nitïa
20:09:47 <shachaf> i,i http://slbkbs.org/kj-sanity.txt
20:09:50 <FireFly> http://www.jsoftware.com/papers/APLQA.htm has some fun anecdotes
20:10:32 <FireFly> 'The k binary weighs in at about 50Kb. Someone asked about the interpreter source code. A frown flickered across the face of our visitor from Microsoft: what could be interesting about that? “The source is currently 264 lines of C,” said Arthur. I thought I heard a sotto voce “that’s not possible.” Arthur showed us how he had arranged his source code in five files so that he could edit any one of
20:10:32 <FireFly> them without scrolling. “Hate scrolling,” he mumbled.'
20:11:11 <FireFly> I'm not entirely sure AW's approach to C is the best
20:11:18 <FireFly> but he sure does like golfing :p
20:11:49 <shachaf> Is it just golfing or is it a different way of thinking about programming that naturally leads to shorter code?
20:12:50 <FireFly> Well, with e.g. the J incunabulum, some of the defines do make decent sense
20:14:34 <FireFly> I guess it depends on if you look at the C or the APL-family code… but with APL-family code you end up with a lot of folds and similar, and it often makes sense to solve problems by constructing arrays and folding it in different ways
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20:16:10 <FireFly> The go-to example is probably the GoL-in-APL video, which computes an array of the 9 different ways to shift the 2D field (including an 'identity shift') and then sums those subarrays up
20:16:17 <FireFly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xAKttWgP4 this video, I mean
20:16:28 <\oren\> Arthur was quite taken with the fact that +.× in Dyalog APL and J are faster on sparse matrices. On Friday morning he talked to me again about it, and asked to see benchmarks on 1000-by-1000 matrices with densities of 1 and 0.1.
20:16:36 <\oren\> I suggested that he could also do this because as I recall k does +.× row at a time rather than the traditional row-by-column.
20:16:44 <\oren\> About a minute later, Arthur said, OK, I have it, and showed me the changed code — he’d inserted if(a) into the middle of a dense pack of characters. I quipped that that indicates he isn’t following the TDD methodology, and that he’s only proven it correct but not tested it.
20:16:54 <\oren\> if(a)
20:17:02 <\oren\> lolololololololol
20:26:57 * FireFly returns to golfing
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21:13:37 <wob_jonas> Stack Exchange's parser is even more stupid than I thought. If it sees a bare url surrounded by double quotes or angle brackets, it believes that the closing double quote is part of the url. seriously.
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21:29:52 <shachaf> `? nooga
21:29:53 <HackEgo> no.
21:29:58 <shachaf> `welcome nooga
21:29:59 <HackEgo> nooga: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
21:30:02 <wob_jonas> adu: wtf
21:33:37 <wob_jonas> hppavilion1: I for one think the fi ligature is overused. a lot of fonts have an fi ligature when they shouldn't have one, and the ligature looks way uglier than the combination of the two characters (with possibly some kerning) would look like. I think they add it for signaling only, to show it's a "professional" font.
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21:35:34 <shachaf> `? fowl
21:35:35 <HackEgo> fowl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:35:38 <shachaf> FireFly: What are you golfing?
21:35:50 <shachaf> `` doag | grep fowl
21:35:53 <HackEgo> 4609:2014-04-25 <ellioẗt> addquote <fowl> one day we\'ll be able to put evil people inside mirrors and throw them into space like superman 2
21:35:55 <wob_jonas> it's especially bad when they add a single width fi ligature to monospaced fonts
21:36:03 <FireFly> shachaf: a raymarcher demo for http://js1k.com/2017-magic/
21:36:12 <FireFly> it's down to 1033 bytes currently
21:36:19 <fowl> wot
21:36:34 <FireFly> it's unfortunately not the most interesting demo :\ because it only renders a static image
21:36:43 <FireFly> still fun though
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22:25:34 <\oren\> wob_jonas: neoletters is a proffessional font
22:26:12 <\oren\> proffissional, even
22:26:20 <wob_jonas> heh
22:26:42 <wob_jonas> or just a finely made one
22:27:26 <\oren\> someone alias ㋌ hg
22:28:16 <\oren\> unicode has a lot of inherited garbage
22:28:26 <\oren\> ㏑㏒㏓
22:30:13 <\oren\> but one day I'll run ㎰ -ꜷ
22:31:46 <\oren\> the most blatant garbage in my opinion is ₯ which in most fonts has a glyph that was never used for anything.
22:32:05 <\oren\> in greece, or anywhere else for that matter
22:34:10 <\oren\> In my font I replaced it with the vertical delta rho ligature which is attested in greek price tags
22:40:45 <\oren\> of course, ₷ is almost unattested
22:41:22 <shachaf> how's your build system doing today
22:41:33 <shachaf> did you wait 4 hours to build your program
22:42:41 <wob_jonas> \oren\: heh
22:43:56 <wob_jonas> \oren\: there's a lot of crazy currency signs that are barely used, which totally makes sense, because in most places, people use only one currency, so the price tags don't need to display any currency sign at all
22:44:11 <wob_jonas> there are also various currency abbreviations made of two or three letters
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23:12:37 <boily> `wisdom
23:12:38 <HackEgo> cuisine//Cuisine is the posh cousin of cooking.
23:12:45 <boily> @massages-loud
23:12:45 <lambdabot> oerjan asked 7h 42m 24s ago: who is Solain, anyway?
23:13:18 <boily> @tell oerjan hellørjan. a dude from Israel with a strange goat fixation, IIRC.
23:13:18 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
23:16:03 <wob_jonas> typical
23:17:44 <boily> `wisdom
23:17:45 <HackEgo> d-module//D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them.
23:17:50 <shachaf> oerjan: it's kind of scow how grwp always finds reflection
23:17:57 <shachaf> i suppose reflection is the identity of wisdom
23:18:01 <shachaf> it's basic grwp theory
23:18:23 <boily> can reflection reflect on anything else besides itself?
23:19:00 <shachaf> anything that survives a flecting can be reflected
23:19:21 <shachaf> you can reflog anything that survives an initial flog
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23:22:50 <boily> flect flog flect flog flect flog ♪
23:24:48 <\oren\> shachaf: no I jsut started the build. I'll check tomorrow morning whether it passed
23:25:01 <wob_jonas> grwp ta[n]eb
23:25:08 <wob_jonas> `grwp ta[n]eb
23:25:16 <HackEgo> cumin:Cumin is a quantum tanebvented spice, only if it doesn't involve sex. \ taneb:Taneb is not elliott, no matter whom you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of nine genders, one of which is a Czech woman, and above average, not too voluminous, but c
23:27:35 <shachaf> `forget cumin
23:27:37 <HackEgo> Forget what?
23:28:05 <shachaf> `5 w
23:28:10 <HackEgo> 1/2:partial order//A partial order is just a small thin skeletal category. \ browser//A browser is a Gopher client for convenient access to Gopher services and documents. \ `words//The `words dictionary framework was designed by Klens Hålgar Oslekk, Upert T. Noffrey, Guiston Degraîme, Myyntti Raatalla, Gölrika Rosenskild, Zwübert von
23:28:13 <shachaf> `spam
23:28:14 <HackEgo> 2/2:Pfölliger, Waslomir Stronderowich, Győrvan Sárbik, Gareen Shergyle, Fnörður Hljófsson, and Pastronella Gattrovezzi. \ yeeesh//See yeesh. \ ^//^ (also notated by ⊕ or ⊻) is the exclusive-or operator; ∧ (also notated by /\ or &) is the and (conjunction) operator; ^ (also notated by ↑ or ** or ⋆) is the power operator.
23:28:38 <shachaf> `? yeesh
23:28:39 <HackEgo> yeesh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
23:28:46 <shachaf> `? yeeeesh
23:28:46 <HackEgo> See yeeesh.
23:28:49 <shachaf> `? yeeesh
23:28:50 <HackEgo> See yeesh.
23:28:55 <shachaf> `` grwp yee
23:28:57 <HackEgo> Binary file reflection matches \ yeeeeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeesh:See yeeeeesh. \ yeeeeesh:See yeeeesh. \ yeeeesh:See yeeesh. \ yeeesh:See yeesh.
23:29:09 <shachaf> `cwlprits yeeeeeeeesh
23:29:11 <HackEgo> tsweẗt
23:29:15 <boily> the yeechain should be yanked.
23:30:47 <wob_jonas> hehe, one of those is my wisdom
23:33:12 <shachaf> `` cd wisdom; for f in *; do echo -n "$f: "; culprits "$f"; done
23:33:43 <HackEgo> ​/usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \
23:33:48 <shachaf> er
23:34:00 <shachaf> `cat bin/culprits
23:34:01 <HackEgo> hoag "$@" | awk '{print substr($1,2,length($1)-2)}' | xargs
23:34:07 <shachaf> `cat bin/hoag
23:34:07 <HackEgo> hlnp --removed --template "{desc}\n" -- "$@"
23:34:11 <shachaf> `cat bin/hlnp
23:34:12 <HackEgo> scowrevs="$(/usr/bin/paste -sd'|' share/scowrevs)"; hg log -r "tip:0 & ! ($scowrevs)" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<Itb][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
23:34:26 <shachaf> `pwd
23:34:26 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv
23:34:38 <shachaf> `` sled bin/hlnp//s#share#/hackenv/&#
23:34:38 <HackEgo> ​/bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 17: unterminated `s' command
23:34:44 <shachaf> `` cd wisdom; for f in yee*; do echo -n "$f: "; culprits "$f"; done
23:34:46 <shachaf> er
23:34:49 <HackEgo> ​/usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \ hg: parse error: missing argument \ /usr/bin/paste: share/scowrevs: No such file or directory \
23:35:02 <shachaf> `sled bin/hlnp//s#share#/hackenv/&#
23:35:04 <HackEgo> bin/hlnp//scowrevs="$(/usr/bin/paste -sd'|' /hackenv/share/scowrevs)"; hg log -r "tip:0 & ! ($scowrevs)" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<Itb][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
23:35:07 <shachaf> `` cd wisdom; for f in yee*; do echo -n "$f: "; culprits "$f"; done
23:35:12 <wob_jonas> ``` cd wisdom && culprits hoag
23:35:14 <HackEgo> oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän
23:35:16 <shachaf> That was spammier than I'd hoped. :-(
23:35:17 <HackEgo> yeeeeeeeeeesh: tsweẗt \ yeeeeeeeeesh: tsweẗt \ yeeeeeeeesh: tsweẗt \ yeeeeeeesh: tsweẗt \ yeeeeeesh: tsweẗt \ yeeeeesh: tsweẗt \ yeeeesh: tsweẗt \ yeeesh: tsweẗt
23:35:17 <wob_jonas> ``` cd wisdom && cwlprits hoag
23:35:19 <HackEgo> No output.
23:40:07 <boily> `spam
23:40:08 <HackEgo> 1/2:partial order//A partial order is just a small thin skeletal category. \ browser//A browser is a Gopher client for convenient access to Gopher services and documents. \ `words//The `words dictionary framework was designed by Klens Hålgar Oslekk, Upert T. Noffrey, Guiston Degraîme, Myyntti Raatalla, Gölrika Rosenskild, Zwübert von
23:40:11 <boily> `2
23:40:12 <HackEgo> 2/0:
23:40:18 <boily> ...
23:40:34 * boily and small positive integers makes three
23:41:22 <shachaf> `5 w
23:41:29 <HackEgo> 1/1:entschuldigung//Entschuldigung is the German word for blaming something on trees moving by themselves. \ til//TIL that TIL means Today I Learned \ almond bread//Almond bread is a delicacy made from fractal dough. \ england//England is [EXPUNGED]. \ potatoes//You are not allowed to take potatoes to Norway without a special permit.
23:43:27 -!- Zarutian has joined.
23:46:18 <\oren\> `spam
23:46:19 <HackEgo> 1/1:entschuldigung//Entschuldigung is the German word for blaming something on trees moving by themselves. \ til//TIL that TIL means Today I Learned \ almond bread//Almond bread is a delicacy made from fractal dough. \ england//England is [EXPUNGED]. \ potatoes//You are not allowed to take potatoes to Norway without a special permit.
23:46:31 <\oren\> wuh
23:46:34 <\oren\> `spam
23:46:34 <HackEgo> 1/1:entschuldigung//Entschuldigung is the German word for blaming something on trees moving by themselves. \ til//TIL that TIL means Today I Learned \ almond bread//Almond bread is a delicacy made from fractal dough. \ england//England is [EXPUNGED]. \ potatoes//You are not allowed to take potatoes to Norway without a special permit.
23:46:36 <\oren\> `spam
23:46:36 <HackEgo> 1/1:entschuldigung//Entschuldigung is the German word for blaming something on trees moving by themselves. \ til//TIL that TIL means Today I Learned \ almond bread//Almond bread is a delicacy made from fractal dough. \ england//England is [EXPUNGED]. \ potatoes//You are not allowed to take potatoes to Norway without a special permit.
23:49:27 <wob_jonas> ah yes, that one is my wisdom too
23:50:36 <shachaf> `5 w
23:50:41 <HackEgo> 1/2:oklopol//oklopol "so i hear these blogs are getting popular, people like writing about their lives and shit. on this thing called the internet which is like a neural network only really stupid." \ trick//A trick learnt is a trick half forgotten. \ lifthrasiir//lifthrasiir is shunned by the rest of his country for being no good at Leag
23:50:58 <shachaf> `spam
23:50:59 <HackEgo> 2/2:ue of Legends. \ anagram//Interestingly, "Robert Galbraith" is *not* an anagram of "J. K. Rowling". \ bdsmreclist//* oerjan swats quintopia -----### \ <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: it records all the big hits
23:51:06 <wob_jonas> I wrote so many stupid wisdomes that they come up often in random wisdoms
23:51:09 <\oren\> アアアAAA亜亜亜
23:51:28 <shachaf> wob_jonas: Why did you write stupid wisdoms?
23:51:57 <wob_jonas> shachaf: I think it's because I didn't understand, and still don't understand, what counts as a good wisdom
23:52:16 <shachaf> But here you say that your wisdoms are stupid.
23:52:28 <wob_jonas> some of them are, in retrospect
23:52:37 <wob_jonas> but I like most of them
23:52:55 <wob_jonas> I can't figure out what oerjan counts as a proper wisdom and what he doesn't
23:52:57 <\oren\> oh I forgot: 아아아아아
23:53:00 <wob_jonas> like, just just added wisdom/life
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